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Speaker 1: Comment, Sure, old shoe, what's cragging? Oh man? Shoot the

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Speaker 1: same old, same old oh show? How many of these producers?

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Speaker 1: You think? I got other people making their beats as

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Speaker 1: far as what you law.

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Speaker 3: They may have a bunch of producers in there with him,

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Speaker 3: a bunch of young producers with him, and the stamping

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Speaker 3: their name on the ship. Man.

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Speaker 1: There's probably a lot of niggas doing that. You give me.

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Speaker 4: I've never ran across that, but shit, you know you

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Speaker 4: have to be weary of that.

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Speaker 3: I guess yeah, I've seen that. At the first hand,

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Speaker 3: I ain't gonna put it. Ain't enough to me to

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Speaker 3: put people's business out there, though. But I've been looking

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Speaker 3: at all these lists, all these lists, they do always

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Speaker 3: comprise the rappers. Ain't nobody ever really did no listen

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Speaker 3: to producers necessarily.

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Speaker 4: I guess when they kind of the producer, we're always

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Speaker 4: forever given credit. There's only a small list. I guess

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Speaker 4: you can cop, you know, composing of great producers.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, I don't know, if you.

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Speaker 4: Want to crack off a list of fifty producers.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably go thirty. I wouldn't go fifty. I would

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Speaker 1: probably go thirty, all right, I would probably go twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know that everybody that, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: somebody come up with a list of the best westcot

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Speaker 3: those producers almost unanimously. You have everybody seeing, oh, doctor

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Speaker 3: Dre is number one, right right, but really he is

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Speaker 3: doctor Dray.

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Speaker 4: I mean it don't take credit away from no other producer.

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Speaker 4: And then especially you know today we have a lot

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Speaker 4: of you know, new producers that have contributed to the

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Speaker 4: new sounds of what you know, they feel, you know,

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Speaker 4: their version of West Coast music is. But I don't know,

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Speaker 4: if you want to look at longevity and the contribution.

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Speaker 4: Dre has been around for a while. Drey has been around,

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Speaker 4: you know, from the era of me making music and

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Speaker 4: probably before that. He's dealt with a lot of significant

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Speaker 4: artists of outside of just hip hop.

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Speaker 1: You get me the.

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Speaker 4: Transformation of contributions to music from the Wrecking Crew.

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Speaker 5: Days to the King te days and the Easy days

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Speaker 5: and you know, to to the Snoop in the two.

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Speaker 4: Part days and then being able to touch people like

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Speaker 4: Mary J and Nives and them and fuck with jay

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Speaker 4: Z and then being able to transition over to this

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Speaker 4: era today. And then a lot of that might come from,

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Speaker 4: like you said, a lot of people lending their.

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Speaker 1: Contributions along that journey as well.

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Speaker 3: You feel me, and you know what, Dre he definitely

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Speaker 3: heals man. You can't say nothing. You can't say nothing

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Speaker 3: bad about dra for sure. He's definitely, like you said,

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Speaker 3: a pioneer, right. But I always say, as far as output,

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Speaker 3: when you think about the amount of music for has

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Speaker 3: put out over the span of that time, He's putting

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Speaker 3: a lot of music, but not really like he kind

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Speaker 3: of comes with an album every a few years. You

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Speaker 3: feel what I'm saying, But it's the quality of those.

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Speaker 4: Works when you do come with his picky and when

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Speaker 4: you get in that position, you get that recognition and

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Speaker 4: that position of being a great producer. You get to

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Speaker 4: pick and jeans and you want to work with, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, because every day is not about a chef.

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Speaker 4: When you get to that platform, of course, I could

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Speaker 4: charge any nigga two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or

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Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars for a track or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: do I want my name connected with just any and everybody.

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Speaker 4: So when you get to that established you get the

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Speaker 4: picking choos who work and not. Let's let's not mistake

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Speaker 4: that we all know that niggas have motherfucking.

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Speaker 1: Teammates, right.

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Speaker 4: You might be you might be the Michael Jordan and

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Speaker 4: the face of the team and the and the label

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Speaker 4: and the branding or whatever, but you still got role players, right,

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Speaker 4: And these are niggas who might assist in bringing up

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Speaker 4: or whatever whatever. So you have to give credit to

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Speaker 4: those niggas too, you feel me, because without those niggas,

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Speaker 4: some of those records probably wouldn't have even made it

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Speaker 1: So you have to give those niggas credit to.

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Speaker 4: The teammates who assisted along the way of Dre being

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Speaker 4: able to become, you know, one of those great producers.

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Speaker 4: You know, my nigga DJ Slip used to, you know,

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Speaker 4: produce his ass off.

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Speaker 1: You know, DJ Pools the motherfucking you.

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Speaker 4: Know, there's a game of niggas who contributed to this

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Speaker 4: West Coast sound, but don't recognition that they get you feel.

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Speaker 3: Me, Let's stop at Pool real quick because Boo Fivecat

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Speaker 3: and the other homie Muffler they had to pull me right,

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Speaker 3: real dope production team. Man, you know, did cubes want

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Speaker 3: to choose best albums? The America's Most Wanted album? Was

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Speaker 3: it America's most wanted? No, even they didn't do America's

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Speaker 3: Most wanted? They did Death Certificate, right, Death Certificate.

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Speaker 4: There was Bomb Squad of the Yeah, America's North Warner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Balm Squad did you know, ain't shocking? And them

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Speaker 3: did America's Most Wanted. But you think about Bob Cat

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Speaker 3: pulling all them dudes. Man, them dudes real dope, and

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Speaker 3: they kind of don't really get mentioned like these shit.

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Speaker 3: And that's because I noticed in hip hop hip hop

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Speaker 3: we don't really have But it's not like rock and roll.

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Speaker 3: If you ask any knew every metal dude about Motley Crew,

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Speaker 3: they gonna say, oh man, they was major influence on me, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, a dude eighteen nineteen years old, they knew

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Speaker 3: about that. I noticed this era of hip hop, they

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Speaker 3: have a tendency to forget about kind of like masterminds

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Speaker 1: You feel me.

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Speaker 4: But when you feel like because a lot of you know,

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Speaker 4: are like it was just name right. You know a

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Speaker 4: lot of dudes even, do you feel that they have

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Speaker 4: made themselves available to tell their stories? You know, so

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Speaker 4: that you know, do you feel that they feel like,

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Speaker 4: you know, fuck it, it is what it is. And

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Speaker 4: niggas who don't mean all meet and those who don't fucking.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I think, man, a lot of the hommies, man, you know,

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Speaker 3: you gotta remember.

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Speaker 1: Pools men came Pool.

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Speaker 3: Bob Cat and all those dudes come from the era

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Speaker 3: of music, man, where producers was actually making a lot

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Speaker 3: of money.

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Speaker 1: They kind of came from that era.

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Speaker 3: They can't on to tell len the dudes not getting

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Speaker 3: no money, the dudes getting a lot of money for

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Speaker 3: a beat, right.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of those guys are are a little

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Speaker 1: bit more.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say financially stable, but they don't come outside

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Speaker 3: like that, like I know what Bob Bob don't really

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Speaker 3: come up me and Bob.

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Speaker 1: He may go do it. He may go DJ a

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Speaker 1: party for Hennessy.

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Speaker 3: Right, he may go pick up fifty sixty thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: just just a DJ that night. Right, So he ain't

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Speaker 3: not necessarily doing a lot of stuff. Right, Like Bob

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Speaker 3: is a good friend of mine. I'm actually see Bob

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Speaker 3: is weekend. But he don't come out. And I tell

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Speaker 3: those dudes like we were able to convince godd to

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Speaker 3: come out. I say, man, y'all gotta come tell these

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Speaker 3: stories because a lot of these kids wasn't even born. Man,

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Speaker 3: we fifty years kind of man, we fifty years in

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Speaker 3: the game. No, ye, A lot of people don't know.

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Speaker 3: I remember, man, you know you had to remind me

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Speaker 3: one day. I called somebody with sixty Oh you said,

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Speaker 3: still he knocking on the door, you know, right, he

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Speaker 3: knocking on the door of sixty.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: So I can't get mad man at a kid that's

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Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty three that don't know about them.

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, no, we we we have to learn how

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Speaker 4: to and then and then there's those cats who probably

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Speaker 4: don't want to learn or know about they gets three

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Speaker 4: of great producers, you know that are unnamed or who

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Speaker 4: are left out, or certain who are left out of

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Speaker 4: those discussions. But you know, we remember the sound, We

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Speaker 4: remember the significance of what was done on those records,

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Speaker 4: and even those artists who don't get mentioned a lot

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Speaker 4: in those circles. But it's more than just what they

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Speaker 4: hear with the dre's and or whatever whatever. So it's

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Speaker 4: there's a few producers, like you said, we need to

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Speaker 4: get those stories told, you know, just of what was done.

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Speaker 1: What hand they had in forming West Coast hip hop

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Speaker 1: and whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people don't realize, well they

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Speaker 3: think of alchemists. They may think of an East Coast

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Speaker 3: Alchemists from out here, right, the West Coast producer, you know, alchimists,

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Speaker 3: the West Coast producer. I think people like you're talking

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Speaker 3: about the role players. I think fred Rick was pretty

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Speaker 3: consistent with what he did for a minute. I like

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Speaker 3: Tim as far as the funk, the only battle Cat,

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Speaker 3: battle Cat is always you know, that's like it ain't

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Speaker 3: been too many Snoop Dogg albums. He ain't been a

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Speaker 4: Me right, and battle Cat is one of those dudes

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Speaker 4: who are still actively producing. You know that he is

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Speaker 4: still having his hand and a lot of production, you know,

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Speaker 4: and like you said, a lot of those cats we

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Speaker 4: you know, the DJ fool's got to say that they're

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Speaker 4: not working and doing other significantly great ship.

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Speaker 1: You know, this fool cook me up with the rock

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Speaker 1: Star ship. That's how was.

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Speaker 4: They get through the whole on the Grand Death on

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Speaker 4: the Kick because of Pool. But like I said, this

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Speaker 4: might have their hands and other business now outside of production,

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Speaker 4: so you don't hear about that shit. But yeah, movie,

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Speaker 4: that's how I was able to get in good graces

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Speaker 4: and then the following year I was able to voice

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Speaker 4: was able to do a song produced by Alchemists with

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Speaker 4: because of DJ who the connected me with Rockstar games,

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Speaker 4: pating this other shit that mebans might be into. You

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Speaker 4: know nowadays that you know, you all hear their name significantly,

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Speaker 4: like you know with production or who was the greatest

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Speaker 4: producers or who was those people that created that sound

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Speaker 4: that y'all.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know that job led for you. Phel

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Speaker 1: me plain thing.

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Speaker 3: Even in the Bay you got to It's like tone Capone,

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Speaker 3: the tone Capone made, I got five on a bunch

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Speaker 3: of other stuff. Studio tone you know did all he

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Speaker 4: Had Banks and Ship's Banks and Banks was all you

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Speaker 4: know him Banks and Ship. That's one of my people, great, great,

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Speaker 4: great Bay for gooser significant.

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Speaker 3: I would never disrespect Dre dog, but it's not too

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Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. Because he's a dope produce,

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Speaker 3: You know what I would say this, I think Drea's

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Speaker 3: I'm saying quick very much had a hand and all

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Speaker 4: Because a lot of time, you know, you don't get

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Speaker 4: Niggas look at that as pettiness. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: The drums that so and so used on sow and

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: All they gonna see is it's credited to whoever produced it.

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Speaker 4: But like you said, some people can do that by

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Speaker 4: wonder do you look at that as as being the

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Speaker 1: Years like I need the team.

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Speaker 4: Because there's a billion other things that I got going.

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Speaker 1: So do I have the time.

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Speaker 4: an alchemist? Would be you get me as opposed to

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Speaker 4: what I'm feeling. I'm billion dollar doctor, Dre, you feel me?

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Speaker 4: So do I have time to as opposed to like

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Speaker 1: Would you give me? Like you know, I'm ana beat there?

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Speaker 4: Quick is gonna be there or in from the time

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Speaker 4: I start with that until it's time to start tweaking

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Speaker 1: It's Dre gonna be there that whole time. Oh hear,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Bro.

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Speaker 3: I think, like, you know, let me put this out

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Speaker 3: the samples and the loops and shit, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. Now, Dre may come in, he may get

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Speaker 3: different riffs, but Drey has that here to pick the

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Speaker 3: why he doctor Dre. You know, you can't sleep on that.

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Speaker 3: I think Quick is probably more of a mad scientist

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Speaker 3: and that's just how it heals.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I'm gonna tell you this. I know that

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Speaker 3: DJ Mustard is dope. I wouldn't never say that Munstery

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Speaker 1: You know stuff he.

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Speaker 3: Did for I mean my head, that's my head in

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Speaker 3: my hear that was a jam, you know I'm saying

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Speaker 3: I forget this thing. LV got his son as hard

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Speaker 3: But that little dude is hard lv Son. You know,

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Speaker 3: real dope dog. He's he's real dope, super dope, like

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Speaker 3: Like he's real dope. Like he's probably like el lvs Son.

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Speaker 3: I'mnad to get the name glasses. He actually got slappers,

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Speaker 3: that did the stuff on Killer's new album, the Mustard

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Speaker 3: You know that you don't have done shit, but just

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Speaker 4: You know, crazy tool dressing piece, you used to produce

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Speaker 4: shit the tuns or my nigga rob ch producers ship

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Speaker 4: my nigga, Why no, who used to do coolio shit?

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Speaker 4: It's significant producers that just you know, unfortunately when it

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: In this era, like you said, you have the mustards,

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Speaker 4: you have the sound waves. You know, we got alchemists,

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Speaker 4: you know, and Alchemist has been around for as long

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Speaker 4: He has been producing significant Ship. He just did the

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Speaker 4: Freddie Gibbs. He's doing you know, he's did the project

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Speaker 4: with fucking two Chains and Larry June. You know, so

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Speaker 4: Alchemist is your music?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I asked, you know what, I actually like

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Speaker 3: two Chains and lyric June and Alchemist stuff more than

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Speaker 3: I thought I was. I thought that combination, but it

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's the new sound, you know,

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Speaker 4: nowadays where you don't you might not hear drums up

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Speaker 1: Does that a lot.

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Speaker 3: Different from what's the honey we have in the show

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Speaker 3: Who's the honey we had on the show? Man, I'm

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Speaker 3: having brainfall today, bro, But a lot of that came

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Speaker 1: He probably hear this shit and playing talking about it.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about rock, Yeah, rock, Marcian rock, Marcia. You

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Speaker 3: That was rock was probably he was the first one

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Speaker 1: I don't consider that biting.

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Speaker 3: I just think when dope shit make its way into

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Speaker 3: let me try that.

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Speaker 4: You know, well, you know, unfortunately, back in the days

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Speaker 4: of beginning of hip hop, you know, it was considered

438
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: bite me if you bet someone's style, or if you hit.

439
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: Some drafts or whatever or whatever.

440
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 4: But I guess today, you know, you have to be

441
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 4: able to adapt.

442
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: You have to be able to adapt with the times

443
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: of shit. You know.

444
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 4: That's just like if a nigga run a good play

445
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: on me score in football, I might take that player

446
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: use it on another team.

447
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: You feel me. That's what I'm saying.

448
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: If I think it's a great play, it ain't the

449
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 4: fact that you know, or I'm steal in the playbook.

450
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: But you know, shit, I saw that ship in the

451
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: game the nigga ran it off. I thought it was tight.

452
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: Nigga. The following week, I'm going back to practice.

453
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 4: We're gonna try to run that shit, because if I

454
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 4: can run that shit on somebody and we can score

455
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 4: and win the game, then that's what's gonna happen.

456
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: You get me.

457
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: Everybody running the same routes, you get me. The route

458
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: tree is the same, right, Still, whide receivers running that.

459
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: Route tree, it's the same route.

460
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: You might try to flip it or call it something different,

461
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 4: but the slant is a slat, right.

462
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Everybody eats a slight, you.

463
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 4: Know, So it's not consider you know, probably back in

464
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: the days when it originated, it was this one particular playbook,

465
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 4: but everybody has adaptor today, right, So that's all I

466
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: look at it, as you know, because a lot of

467
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 4: niggas use that sound, and you know, it's very popular

468
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 4: with a lot of motherfucking fans. So if you can

469
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 4: perfect it, and you can perfect it to the point

470
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: of where you having your own type of delivery and

471
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: feel and you making it your own and your subject

472
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 4: matter is, you know, different than what another nigga talking about,

473
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: then that's that's what goes down.

474
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: I would say, you know what too, and I would

475
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 3: say probably one of the most. And this dude don't

476
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: have a lot of hit record though I'm gonna be

477
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: remiss to say, dog, he probably got just as many

478
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: radio hissor trade, if not more.

479
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: A little fingers okay, and he may.

480
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 3: Not get the recognition I'm saying that he's better than

481
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: treated nothing like that, but he's had a lot of

482
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: significant radio records and he has the platinum.

483
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: In gold singles, right, you know fingers uh.

484
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: And I think because most of his stuff came from

485
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 3: the independence side, like he fucked with a lot of

486
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 3: the Chicano records, like the Little Rob You did the

487
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: Summer Nights with Little Rob, which, like I think a

488
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: gold single, right, and it was a big record on

489
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: the radio. While here you know you you heard that

490
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: record like every yar on an hour just sitting in

491
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: the runs when the sun goes down party, That record

492
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: was dope though. You know it was a dope record, right.

493
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: That was a big record he had to lean like

494
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: the Cholo record, which leaning like a cholo wasn't exactly

495
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: my cup of tea. I like hip hop stuff, but

496
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: I got it. You feel what I'm saying. I said,

497
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 3: you know what I knew when I heard it, I said,

498
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: just go blow up. That's a catchy record, right down

499
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: on me, down.

500
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: A little catchy, gimmicky record. You feel me?

501
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: You know it was a dope record though. It was

502
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: like you know when you heard it, like, Okay, this

503
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: gonna work right here.

504
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: Right.

505
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 3: He had a lot of records, man, He had, especially

506
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: messing with Little Rob, messing with the Chicano cast. Man

507
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: Fingers had a lot of records.

508
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: Man, So as somebody who knows him and has dealt

509
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: with his work, why do you feel the recognition hasn't

510
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: been or do you feel he's got his just good?

511
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: I think Man, as far as like having the big

512
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: radio records, I think Man Fingers, by him messing with

513
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: independent rappers, that was like his gift and his curse

514
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: kind of because he was able to take dudes that

515
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 3: didn't really have no budget and prepare them to where

516
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: they was getting. You know, Fingers had a lot of

517
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: number ones out here, you know, a whole lot of

518
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: number ones. I think by those artists not really being

519
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: bigger than the songs they had. I think outside a

520
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: little rap, a lot of those artists wasn't as big

521
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: as the songs that they had. You feel what I'm saying.

522
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: And do you look at those as territorial records?

523
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, really, I think, man, those

524
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: records man passed the Southwest. They may have got a

525
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: little love in the Hispanic like Chicago got a huge

526
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 3: Hispanic market, right, probably wasn't going past Chicot.

527
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: Or past Texas. You feel what I'm saying.

528
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: Those are records, like you said, a lot of them

529
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: were regional records, but they were big ass records though,

530
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, right, there was big ass records. And I

531
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: think that if Fingers, I think if the Fingers produced

532
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: more for MC eights and the Snoops of the world,

533
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: I think that would help him probably.

534
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 4: And why do you think that, you know what, like

535
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: you said, was he just in his lane dealing with

536
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: who he was dealing? I would say that, man, you

537
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: know Fingers, man, do you think he was presented with

538
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: the opportunities to work with you know, the MC eight's

539
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: and the quicks in the games and the ques and

540
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: the whatever. Probably you know what, probably not bros. I

541
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: think a lot of people just didn't know. They didn't

542
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: make that connection, right.

543
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: I think it was the management their Fingers had at

544
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: the time, because his manager at that time was just

545
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: cared about the money. He like, man, whoever got the

546
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: money to come here and buy these beats, I'm not

547
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: interested in trying to make him a household name. So

548
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go try to put him in the

549
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: studio with the MC eight. I'm not gonna try to

550
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: go put him in the studio with a MAC ten.

551
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm used to go fuck with the count homies just

552
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: coming over here. They got a bag of money because

553
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, he's a count of home, he's rick. You know,

554
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: they got bread. You know, they come just fired ten

555
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: thousand on a beat, which you know what I'm saying.

556
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: So I remember man Fingers used to have sessions man

557
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: back to back to back and everybody.

558
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: He might have ten sessions that day.

559
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: And everybody was coming in here with eight to ten

560
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, you know, So they was making their breads.

561
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: You know, so you figured you got ten sessions and

562
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: ten brand apart, you don't made one hundred thousand dollars

563
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: that day, plus your publish them and all that other stuff.

564
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: It was a lot of money being made, so I

565
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: don't even know.

566
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: I know, probably being real with you, I probably wouldn't

567
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: have gave a flup, you know, trying to keep my

568
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: cousin out. I wouldn't have gave it. Damn about for

569
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: nobody else. I've been getting that bred too.

570
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, if you're making significant income, you know, shit,

571
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: that's like motherfucker's always say, if it ain't broke, don't

572
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: fix it. So I'm not gonna go chase, you know.

573
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: They they got to saying, don't go chase some motherfucking

574
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: don't go chase some motherfucking pussy when you got guaranteed pussy.

575
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: You feel me, that's the dumb shit you feel me. Oh,

576
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: that's what a nigga said, don't go chasing shit. And

577
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 4: then all money ain't good money, and they're fucking with everybody.

578
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: Ain't always the right time, but nat shit, you feel me,

579
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: So shit, my nigga probably felt comfortable doing. I'm in

580
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: my own like I always say about myself, I stay

581
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: in my own lane. I've never felt like I had

582
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 4: to reach a certain plateau or fuck with a certain

583
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: motherfucker you know, or that you ever would dre or

584
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: did you ever fuck with this person or this person?

585
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: You know?

586
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: So if you comfortable in your own skin, you feel me,

587
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: and as a producer or an artist, if you comfortable

588
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: with your own ship and who you fuck with, then

589
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: that's it. Like I'm not gonna wait around to see

590
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: if I can fuck with this nigga or this nigga.

591
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, ready to go. That's it. You ready

592
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: to go? That's it?

593
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: And and if it's significant enough to where I'm cool

594
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: with it, you feel me.

595
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: As far as financially, shit, I don't. I don't. I

596
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: don't need to go chase nothing that you ain't got

597
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: to go chase nobody.

598
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: You know you got guaranteed right here. Why I need

599
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: to go chase something for real?

600
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: You know? Shut out to the homie's fingers, Huh, you

601
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about? List? Did you see that

602
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: big area list that this looking out crazy to me? Man?

603
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: How do you have any lists? Dog?

604
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: You wi mis spice one off of there? Yeah, you

605
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: don't have that ship was crazy as fuck.

606
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they and then I don't know.

607
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: Can you say that? Let me let me pull up

608
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: that list. Hold on, bro, can you can you? Can

609
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: you say that? Nigga? What for god?

610
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: Because how can you say you forgot spice one? You

611
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: steelln't need like spice spies one. As far as the

612
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: Bay concern is top ten, I'm not gonna put em

613
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: in a in a motherfuck there slot, but on my

614
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: on my list east top ten for the back, oh

615
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: for sure.

616
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna kick the whole list off. Then we

617
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: gonna talk about it, right, or we can talk about.

618
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: It as we go.

619
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, number one mag Drake, I'm not mad at that,

620
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: but on any lift dog it should have been too short.

621
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: And forties the top two right because they did a

622
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: lot for the bank. Mac Dred's catalog wasn't like that.

623
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: But you can't knuck raising Macdred's influence. Maketreds definitely the

624
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: top five top team guy right, and to me, that's

625
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: where I would have put it.

626
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: I'm not with I'm not given him a number, but

627
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: I would have put him. I would have put him

628
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 4: top three to ten, number one and two spots you

629
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: have to give to E forty or too Short. You

630
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: have to because ain't no bait on a worldwide scale.

631
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: The Bay is known because no disrespect to nobody. But

632
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: you get me. I knew about the Bay because I

633
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: was Bay and motherfucking too short freaky tail ship and

634
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: I know too Short tame from LA and moved up

635
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: to the Bay Area when he's young. His cousins used

636
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: to fuck. I know his cousins. They used to be

637
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: in our crew. Last advanced to two great DJs from

638
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 4: LA right now, I know he were. But but where

639
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: it came to Oakland and the Bay Area, too Short

640
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: was before E forty, you feel me. Freaky Tale, seventy

641
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: five girls, all of that shit that's that was too

642
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: short to me.

643
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: So too Short kicked off the Bay Area shit.

644
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: And then.

645
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: After that nig I know, eat forty motherfucking spice one

646
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: motherfucking bad Banks, Richie rich Those are niggas who I

647
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: be legit the shot to click, you know, Sugar Tea,

648
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: the Loneyes drew down, you feel me? Those are motherfuckers

649
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 4: I listened to as as far as me coming up

650
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: as an artist. So those people that I just Lynching

651
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: should be anywhere in the top twenty and thing he

652
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: was broke.

653
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at the rappers they got on there,

654
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: because I guarantee you a young dude wrote this list right,

655
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 3: and he's just going off of what he knows, right.

656
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: But to not have a Spice one on there, to

657
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: not have a Sea Bowl on there, man, it's kind

658
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: of like, man, come on.

659
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: Bro and that that did. I see Brother Lynch hung

660
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: on there. Brother Lynch Hole is on there. But I

661
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 4: don't know if they I don't know if they're considered

662
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: the Bay area Brother Lynch and Seaboat.

663
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that's second, you know that, but.

664
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: In the Bay area. But definitely Spice one at Banks.

665
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 4: Like I said, the Loneyes drew down, be legit, d

666
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 4: shot Richie Rich.

667
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 3: Number one, mag Drake two Short three forty for the Jacking, five,

668
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: Keep the Sneak six, mister Fab seven, Mazie, Hey, it's

669
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: so beat by r b E nine MESSI seeing the

670
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: hieroglyphics eleven, Andre Nicotina twelve, The Loonies thirteen, I Am

671
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: Sue fourteen, britst fifteen, Mike Sharon sixteen, g Easy seventeen

672
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: Lil Yasse eighteen, YadA nineteen, Larry June twenty e, bkj

673
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: Bo twenty one, Young Sloviy twenty two, Style Jay Styling

674
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: twenty two, Little B twenty four, Sex the gentmin Now

675
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 3: twenty five, Burner twenty six, San Queen twenty seven, RBL

676
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: Posse twenty eight, d Lo twenty nine, Hustler thirty, Pila

677
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: thirty one, Young Kirk thirty two, Deputy General thirty three,

678
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: CMIL thirty four, Brother Lynx thirty five, Digital Underground thirty six,

679
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 3: Rapping forts A thirty seven, Down thirty eight, Woody thirty nine,

680
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: m C Hammer forty, The Pack forty one, Kark Kly

681
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: Carson forty two, Left the Pharaoh forty three, Kamaya forty four,

682
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: e BK Young Jack forty five, dB boodle Bag forty six,

683
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: Little Kayler forty seven, Big Tone forty eighth, Little Pete

684
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: forty nine, Stunner Girl and Number fifty. L.

685
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: Russell.

686
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at this list, man, but some of

687
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: them guys on their men aren't known outside the big.

688
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Right.

689
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 4: A lot of those guys aren't known outside the Bay.

690
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 4: And a few of those names I know, you know

691
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: the Sam Quinn's the MESSI Mars's the Jackals, the Mister Faves,

692
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: even the Stunner girl you feel neat and shout you know,

693
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: the rest of peace. Rich She was on one of

694
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: those shows that he used to love. That's where I

695
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 4: know that from, because he used to speak on her

696
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: her shit. But like I said, a lot of those

697
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: names I'm familiar with by just getting day music.

698
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: When you you tour.

699
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: A lot, I used to get a lot of music,

700
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: So I'm familiar with a lot of that music, like

701
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 4: I said, But again the point you was making, are

702
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: they known in those markets? You get me like, I

703
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: could pull up in a I could pull up in

704
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: an Arizona, I could pull up in Albutquerque, New Mexico.

705
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I could pull up in the Dallas, Houston, Fort Worth.

706
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: As far as my music is concerned, when I was

707
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 4: on my run, you feel me, Oh.

708
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: I could hit New Orleans and louis So you.

709
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: Gotta kind of judge it, you know, don't get me wrong.

710
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: That's hip hop, man. Hip hop ain't nothing wrong with

711
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: the local.

712
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: There were certain places that my music might have not resignated, right,

713
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: the Dakotas, the motherfucking Carolinas. But before in North Carolina before,

714
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 4: So I can't say that, you know, but there are

715
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 4: spots and then a lot of my people that you named,

716
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: how many of those guys were truly independent? You give

717
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: me A lot of those guys weren't signed to major ladies,

718
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: very few. A lot of those guys took the independent

719
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: distribution route, right or or you know, went through the

720
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: Bay sides and shit like that.

721
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: Right, So.

722
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: You don't know how much power that you know, those

723
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: records had going crossing state lines.

724
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: You feel me? Yeah, you know what I.

725
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: Would say, Like Spice is probably one of the most

726
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: unique rappers of the game. To those Spice got so

727
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: many flows. Dogs Spices over to.

728
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: Disrespect Spice and leads him, and like I said, I

729
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: don't know if a nigga just forgot maybe they forgot

730
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: or whatever.

731
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: No, that you're don't forgetting nothing like this. Spice is

732
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: kind of forgetable dog. But to to to not have

733
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: Spice one in the top.

734
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: Ten, it's ridiculous. Spice significantly represented the Bay Area. I've

735
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 4: been knowing Spice since his career started, like mine, he

736
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: came out maybe a year or two after I did.

737
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: I toured with Spice ridiculously over a few decades. We

738
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: both had songs on and then the soundtrack like he's

739
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 4: one of my true friends as far as hip hop conserved,

740
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: and he is significantly represented the Bay Area.

741
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Shit.

742
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 4: One of his hits was East Bade Gangster, They Feel

743
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: Me Murder show dumping them in ditches fucking one eighty seven,

744
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: he wrote, I mean fucking his first single, had the

745
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: whole fucking country gone off the drink? You get one

746
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: eighty seven proofs they's sucking young and in my neighborhood,

747
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: and you get peace to you know, peace to my

748
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: nine and shit like you know. So to leave Spice

749
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: off the list is crazy. Like I said, I'm gonna

750
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: say Homeboy was high or drunk. It just forgot like

751
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 4: he thought he put Spice on the list and forgot

752
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 4: about it. Because that is that's just dumb as fuck.

753
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: I'm just take straight up if whoever mis fuck because

754
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: if you didn't put Spice one on there, your list

755
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: is not valid.

756
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: It's fraudulent, bro, you know what?

757
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: To me, that's about It's a significant as a mistake

758
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: because us do you want to top West Coast Producers list?

759
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: Not putting Doctor Tree on there?

760
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: Nigga. That's like doing the top.

761
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: That's like doing a top down South Texas list and

762
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: not putting scar face on it.

763
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Mans, Him to the Bay is significant,

764
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: is that you feel me like you do a down

765
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: South list and don't put scarface on it?

766
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 4: Like uhuh, Like are you kidding? You got you gotta

767
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: do that? And the years he's top on you, he's

768
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 4: top ten for the Bay.

769
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: All yourself and if you call yourself, you know, I'd

770
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: like to look at this loss kind of like a

771
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: major bait, you know, major Blade Media company. You know,

772
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: if they're doing that, man, they kind of slipping though.

773
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: They gotta get on top of the ship.

774
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I said something has to I don't

775
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 4: know if it's some personal beef or with the writer

776
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 4: or the magazine or whoever put it out, or a

777
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: nigga just playing forgotten thought that they that they had

778
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: put it more there.

779
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: But you get me, because I was even shot when.

780
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: You out went through the whole list and was like

781
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: the spice one only Oh they must have forgotten, right

782
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: they actually they had Eve on the list and whoever

783
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: they forgot because.

784
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: But the thing is, bro how you can't forget nothing

785
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: like that.

786
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: You're putting the list together with the greatest you know

787
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: they rappers of all time at the top, you know,

788
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: Nord Carol rappers and you donna have balt Slini on it.

789
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: Motherfucker tall niggas are dumb and they forget you give me.

790
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: Chicken on the man. Come on, man, it is a

791
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: dumb and just forget.

792
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 4: Like I said, maybe you had a brain freeze or

793
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 4: something that day. Like again, that's why you know what,

794
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 4: That's one of those things where you need to repress

795
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: it because when it first came out, my nigga Spie

796
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: posted all his plaques and shit, and he had the

797
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: week come strap flat right on the floor, all his

798
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 4: plaques and all his awards, and he's like, I just

799
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: want to remind niggas you know, of the workout put

800
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: in and it's it's his heart. It's it's fucking heartbreaking

801
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: to know that with all the work that you've done

802
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: to represent and shit, and motherfuckers don't even consider you

803
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: when it comes to, you know, a fraudulent list because

804
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: it means nothing. You feel me, And I'm glad my

805
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: nigga Spie took it on the chin like you know, well,

806
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 4: let me just remind niggas. You know that because you, nigga,

807
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 4: don't even consider me a top fifty Bay artist when nigga,

808
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: I've sold millions of records and represented the Bay and

809
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 4: done shit that half the niggas on the list will never.

810
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: Be able to do.

811
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: There's yeah, they need to they need to do a reaper,

812
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: you know, motherfucker's door, a retraction and you gotta go

813
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: a reprint the next day and apologize. That's what they

814
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: should be going. That's your little jib niggas. That's one

815
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: of the things I know. When we do the list,

816
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: we go over it, right. We don't like when I

817
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: said we're gonna talk about the top producers. We're not

818
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: making the list right now.

819
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: But if we were, first of all, it would be

820
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: just me and you, we would have some other respective

821
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: people with us, right, so we have more opinions.

822
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: Right.

823
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: Definitely, before you go to print with that, you definitely

824
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: gotta go up and look and say, okay, am I

825
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: missing Anyboddy right? And then of course and then on

826
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 3: ship like that, we would do researchers as far back

827
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: to when Toddy Tia that was making me sure, you

828
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 3: get me, We gonna we're gonna spread the board out

829
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: to where we're not just gonna think of just so

830
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: one era and time of music. We gonna go back

831
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: and go, okay, top the top twenty all time West

832
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: Coast producers, and then we gonna go from the time

833
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: hip hop started for us who was significantly doing shit,

834
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: to niggas who doing shit today. You getting me, We

835
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: ain't gonna leave out the new niggas, but we damn

836
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: show ain't gonna leave out the motherfucking veterans. That's the thing, bro.

837
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: I think it's like this to eight. I think a

838
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: lot of cats what they do, Man, they get so

839
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: caught up and just can't standing where they're comfortable that

840
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 3: they don't go out their comfort zone. They say, Okay,

841
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 3: let's say the dude that wrote that listed twenty five right,

842
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: he's not going back and doing his homework and saying,

843
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: you know what, let me look back and see the

844
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: forefathers before this, who did this. I know I'm always

845
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: cautious to that for me not to admit nobody right,

846
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: for me not to go back and say, because the

847
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: thing is, if you forget a DJ, who are a DJ?

848
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: Bob somebody like that. That's significant. Oh, definitely, that's significant

849
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: because it is ever be dumb.

850
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 4: And then motherfuckers were criticized because you you ain't even

851
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: you ain't even checking their history books and shit. And

852
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: that's the first thing you gotta do. You gotta check

853
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: the history of the shit first before you get the

854
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: name in all time greats and shit. Nigga, you gotta

855
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 4: check history too, because without the history, motherfucker.

856
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: There is nothing else. There's nothing there.

857
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 4: All these other motherfuckers you name it, they don't come

858
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: if you don't check the history because without the history,

859
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 4: there is no there is no there is no today

860
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: without the history.

861
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: So you know, nigga's doing these lists and shit.

862
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: I know it's your opinion and it's what you feel

863
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: and what you think and whatever whatever, and like I said,

864
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: but check your history first, you know, is done the

865
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 4: lead off of niggas who have motherfucking contributed it greatly,

866
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: and especially a motherfucker likes Spice, who I've known since

867
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: the beginning of his career, and he ain't done nothing.

868
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 4: Bucket represent the bay here. You feel met and a

869
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of niggas. Donet moved away and

870
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: relocated and whatever whatever you feel me. But he's one

871
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: of those niggas. From the beginning of his career. Let

872
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 4: you know, nigga, he was representing the Bay Area. He's

873
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: a big gangster, and his and his and his motherfucking

874
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 4: his work traveled past Oakland, past California, past bagas you

875
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: give me.

876
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Niggas was bumping spice.

877
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: In New York, Florida, Chicago, Cleveland, everywhere I went his

878
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: music was.

879
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for shoe and Cleveland. Man, he lives pace

880
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: in Cleveland.

881
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: I was in a record store in Cleveland, there was

882
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 4: his tape. If I was in the record store of Detroit, Chicago,

883
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: motherfucking there was his tape. If I went on the

884
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: promo run in Dallas or Houston, there was his tape. Louisiana,

885
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 4: there was his tathe Kansas, there was his tape.

886
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: So I don't get not just one.

887
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 4: You get me all of his motherfucking projects, you know,

888
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 4: back in that era, all of them ship.

889
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: Now would you say, as far as flows, man, fi,

890
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: this is under contention man for probably ever the best

891
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: flow of a baby too.

892
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: Twist is harddog twis is due. Man.

893
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 4: Like I said, you just check your history man, nigga

894
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 4: he got and that's what they got.

895
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Some, he got some, he got some authentic music.

896
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: But that ain't that ain't something we gotta tell motherfucker's

897
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: true hip hop motherfuckers and true niggers no music and

898
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: people who are around in that era and who are

899
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: still around today and appreciate that era of hip hop.

900
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 4: You you, you know, Spice One, that's just a dumb

901
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: con you know, that's just a dumb analysis to think that,

902
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: you know, because he was just as well known as

903
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: I was.

904
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: The star fakes was his c feel me he was.

905
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: He was part of the crew. You feel me. I

906
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: would tell you this man, you for sure.

907
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: That that that kind of makes me that kind of

908
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: furtheres my claim that too Short probably should have been

909
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: number one, because you know who discovered spice was too short?

910
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: Right? Like yeah, too short foul stoupe one.

911
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 4: Right, he used to go, he used to fuck with them,

912
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 4: so ship, uh, like I said, he's part of the crew.

913
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 4: He's part of that too, ship that too short Ice

914
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 4: Cube c m W n W A fucking Spice one,

915
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: fucking DJ quick fucking.

916
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 1: You know it was that era.

917
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: You know, when you get to talking about anything that's

918
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: the greatest of all time.

919
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: Man.

920
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: You have to include old Jeans man because it's like

921
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: the thing is, man, the son don't come before the father.

922
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: Father come before the son. You know a lot of

923
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: these people, man, were so influential and too short and

924
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: e forty man. Really, to me, the Bay is known

925
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: for their independence, right, They're known for having independent rappers

926
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: man to put out a lot of things.

927
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: I think the Russell carries that torch really good.

928
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 3: I kind of like what l Russell do because he's

929
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: a young dude that don't forget about the old jeez.

930
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 3: He threw a lot of stuff, you know. When he

931
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: do them shows, right, he's gonna have a Richie Ricks

932
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: out there. He's gonna have a Spice one out there

933
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: with him because he understands the importance of what they

934
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 3: did on their influence, right. And shame on thisler man,

935
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: you know thisler they got a popping ass platform dog.

936
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: That's just kind of to me, that's kind of like

937
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 3: almost like embarrassing dog to keep twice the listen and

938
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: not there.

939
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: Richie Rich's on that too. Richie Rich's the legend too. Definitely,

940
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 4: Like I said, those are niggas. I listened to. When

941
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 4: I listened to you know, bay Area of music, those

942
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: were some of the nigga Some of those were the

943
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: niggas I listened to.

944
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: Wasn't no son, That's what I want to ask you

945
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: this because some of them, like you got poor Man,

946
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: he wasn't on there. I don't know if poor Man was.

947
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: You consider him a legend. I knew pool Man.

948
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 4: I fucked with pool Man because of the Menis movie

949
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: and the soundtrack, and after that we became cool.

950
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: And when I.

951
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 4: You know, took a few trips to the Bay Area

952
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 4: and did you know, uh bed Worth wo Man came

953
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: out a few times. I would consider him someone whom

954
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: seating it for sure. I would say he was someone

955
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: significant for the Bay Area because in my area he was.

956
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: He was an artist who was all was was was

957
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: getting it in.

958
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: You get this too, they got on there, they got

959
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: black seeking them right.

960
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: You definitely gotta put j T the bigger figure on

961
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: this list too.

962
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, like I said, they forgot about

963
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 4: a lot of niggas because I don't know how they

964
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 4: would say that certain niggas were significant for the Bay Area.

965
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: And what are we saying is the Bay Area because

966
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: JT the bigger figure represented today.

967
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: That's why I knew he was from. I didn't look

968
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: their friend.

969
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 4: Uh. I think you know the rapid Foete represented San

970
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: Fran right pill Moo and all of that ship, soig

971
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 4: on their I don't.

972
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how.

973
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: I don't know how you consider niggas not, you know,

974
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: being official and represented.

975
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: Because j T was in that era.

976
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: Of of of a lot of area artists and the independence.

977
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: You know that mess Mars the Sad Queen.

978
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: I think he might have put that record thog if

979
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 3: I'm not somebody, man, let me know if I'm mistaken.

980
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 3: I believe that j T might have put j T

981
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: might have put their records out.

982
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: Dog.

983
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm not for sure. I need to call should call

984
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: JT real quick man to find out. But you know,

985
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: we we do that next one. We definitely gonna have

986
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: a more in depth episode. Man, the next one. Man

987
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: about this? Uh, y'all gone, man, let us know in

988
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: the comments, Man, what y'all think? Man about all this?

989
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: Man? We holler at y'all next week. Yeah.

990
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: Well, that concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

991
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,000
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