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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet

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Speaker 1: your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: how is this Pride season treating you? I'm really interested

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Speaker 1: in hearing from all of you who are a part

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Speaker 1: were feeling about Pride this year. As I stated at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the month, WOKF is committed to our

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Speaker 1: theme this year of you Can't Ban Queer Joy, and

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Speaker 1: we've teamed up with Glad as well as some of

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Speaker 1: our friends at Outspoken at iHeartRadio in order to bring

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Speaker 1: you conversations that are really important. You see now that

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Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community is in the headlines on a day

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Speaker 1: to day basis, and it is for nothing that is good.

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Speaker 1: It is about all of the attacks and cruelty and

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Speaker 1: legislation that is being passed in this country every single day.

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Speaker 1: Right now, as I speak, over five hundred pieces of

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Speaker 1: anti LGBTQ, anti trans legislation have been introduced. Of those,

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Speaker 1: seventy six have been signed into law. We are at

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Speaker 1: a really terrible place, and you know in the LGBTQ community,

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Speaker 1: like we are not strangers right to the ups and

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Speaker 1: we are seeing are like nothing that we've seen, probably

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Speaker 1: since the nineteen eighties, probably since this Saved the Children

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Speaker 1: in groomers. You see that what is old becomes new

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Speaker 1: again under new Republican regime and new focus on hate

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Speaker 1: and cruelty instead of actually working on issues that the

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Speaker 1: American people care about, like you know, being able to

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Speaker 1: breathe air and go outside when it doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: the fucking you know, sunset on Mars, being able to

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Speaker 1: breathe clean air, drink clean water, you know, combating real

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Speaker 1: issues like not you know, sending our kids to school

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Speaker 1: and then having to pick them up in body bags,

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Speaker 1: or the unrelenting violence against black people in this country.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there are so many things that could

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Speaker 1: be tackled, so much attention could be put towards making

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Speaker 1: our lives better, But instead the Republican Party and the

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Speaker 1: white Evangelical Christians are hell bent on making the lives

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Speaker 1: of LGBTQ plus people, but particularly our trans brothers and

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Speaker 1: sisters hell on Earth. And so I am very excited

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Speaker 1: to introduce today's conversation with Carmen Laurent, who is a

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Speaker 1: and in this conversation, and I'm excited about it because

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Speaker 1: we're doing a special crossover where Carmen is airing an

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Speaker 1: interview with me as a minisode on her show, and

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Speaker 1: I am airing my interview with her here on WOKF

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Speaker 1: Daily because I think that it is important again you

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Speaker 1: know that we are in community with one another, but

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Speaker 1: that we are really talking to people whose lived experiences

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Speaker 1: we may not understand or we may not really have

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Speaker 1: an idea of what is actually happening outside of the headlines,

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Speaker 1: and so it's important to get to a place of understanding.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to like me, but you're sure as

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Speaker 1: fucks should have to respect me. You sure as fuck

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Speaker 1: should have to respect and provide dignity.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If I give you the tools to be better, then

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't decide to kick over that toolbox or throw

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Speaker 1: with regard to the trans community. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: be in quote unquote solidarity with us or with the

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Speaker 1: community at large, but you sure as functions be standing

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Speaker 1: providing solutions on how to be better allies, both those

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Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation, leave comments, and do make sure to

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Speaker 1: head over to Beauty Translated and listen to Carmen interviewing

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Speaker 1: me as well. Both of these episodes are up now, folks.

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Speaker 1: about Beauty Translated and why you started this fabulous pod.

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Speaker 2: like it when you are just authentically yourself. Yes, And

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Speaker 2: I love to just let my guests speak authentically about

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Speaker 1: That's wonderful. And I think that you know, I know

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of differences. I mean, the first and

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Speaker 2: in reality, most people that I encounter in my day

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Speaker 1: Carmen as somebody who is living inside of a state

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Speaker 2: Part of that is just connecting with people, hopefully even

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Speaker 1: we can make pleas to people's hearts and minds. And

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Speaker 1: I say, you know, you can't shame the devil. So

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Speaker 1: at some point in time you have to change tactics.

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Speaker 1: It's you want to see a different result.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. You can't negotiate or compromise with fascists,

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Speaker 2: you know you can't. And so the response has to

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Speaker 2: be a little bit more aggressive, I think, in order

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Speaker 2: to show that, like we really we were really dealing

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Speaker 2: with not just a difference in opinion. We're dealing with

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Speaker 2: a difference in our right, you know, our opinion and

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Speaker 2: our right to exist, which is totally different than than

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Speaker 2: an opinion, you know, and should not be up for debate,

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Speaker 2: exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Carmen, tell people how to find you and to find

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Speaker 1: beauty translated.

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Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram where I am, Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I post memes all day long. You can

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Speaker 2: find me on Instagram at the Carmen Laurent that's Lauren

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Speaker 2: with a tea at the end. And you can listen

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Speaker 2: to Beauty Translated wherever you get your podcasts on the

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Speaker 2: Outspoken Network, So check out Beauty Translated.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for making the time for WOKF.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you. I really appreciate it. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends. Woke a

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Speaker 1: up as always, Power to the people and to all

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Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.