WEBVTT - Dr. Ibram X Kendi on Community Organization and Opposing Oppressive Systems (Part 2) 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.400 Keep on ridin would it says, we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.440 the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:06.480 Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host, 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:07.280 Rams's Jack. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.520 He is Rams's joh, I am q Ward. You are 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.880 tuned into Civic Scipher. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.280 Indeed, and we are going to be talking to the one, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.040 the only, doctor Ebram X Kindy. Now, for those who 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.440 don't know, Doctor Ibram x Kindy is a National Book 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.640 Award winning author of sixteen books for adults and children, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.840 including ten New York Times bestsellers, five of which were 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.720 number one New York Times bestsellers, including How to Be 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.839 Anti Racist. That's certainly a book that we've discussed on 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.239 this show more than once. We've taken a lot of 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.800 content from that book. That book to conceive of segments 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.320 that we thought would be meaningful and useful. But there's 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.440 more than that, of course. But for those who don't know, 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.519 How to Be Anti Racist was described in The New 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.559 York Times as the most courageous book to date on 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:58.080 the problem of race in the Western mind. But before 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:03.560 we finish our conversation with doctor Ibram x Kindy, it 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.600 is time to be Aba become a better ally Baba 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:11.080 and today's Baba. We want to tell you about Chicanos Borlacosa. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.920 You can check them out at CPLC dot org. And 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.120 this one is kind of special to me, so let 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.360 me share a little bit about this organization. Chicanosporloc also 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.360 began with a group of student and community activists who 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.840 push back against racial discrimination. Today, they are one of 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.399 the largest Latino nonprofits in the country, providing services to 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.280 people of all backgrounds. Put a pending that we're going 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.440 to come back to it while honoring their Mexican American roots. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.200 The programs give individuals and families a seat at the table. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.360 They facilitate growth through five areas of impact, health and 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:53.800 human services, housing, education, economic development, and advocacy. With offices 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.360 in six Southwestern states and clients across the country, CPLC 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.960 impacts almost one million lives per year. If you would 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.960 like to make a donation, you can do so at 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.000 CPLC dot org. And your support of CPLC may qualify 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.800 for a dollar for dollar tax credit through the Charitable 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.399 Foster Care and School Tax Credits programs. You can learn 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.160 more again at CPLC dot org. And I did want 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:28.440 to share with you that when my birth mother first 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:33.640 left California and moved to Arizona to get me away 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.359 from whatever might have been waiting for me on the 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.519 streets of Compton, one of the first organizations to help 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:45.799 out that black woman with four kids was chicanospor Lakosa 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.040 and I remember going to the facilities and I remember 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.520 them helping her get a job, and I remember it 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.280 was a tough time with a woman who was just 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.160 kind of seeking a better future for her family, and 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.919 CPLC was there for her. And so this organization ACT 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.799 have a personal experience with because I remember hanging out 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.720 there when I was a little kid. So again, CPOC 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.399 dot org. If you feel so inclined now, Q, I 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:15.440 know you had something left over from last segment, and 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.440 so why don't you start off and then we'll go 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:18.880 from there. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:27.480 The fourthcoming book, Malcolm Lives. You have a vision with 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.960 this text. What is it that you're trying to accomplish, Like, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.760 as a reader and to our listener, you know, what 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.840 is it that we should be looking for or looking 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.440 to gain from Malcolm Lives. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.200 I remember when I was growing up, I didn't like 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.400 particularly when I was in school, like I didn't really 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.480 history was boring for me. I'm like, why do I 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.560 have to learn about history like that, that's fifty years ago, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:04:00.240 one hundred years ago. How does it relevant to me? 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.320 And the here and the now? I didn't see it 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:07.560 as relevant, So I didn't really care about history. But 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.920 what I'm trying to do with Malcolm Lives is show 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.960 how history lives through the life of Malcolm X. And 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.920 so many scenes in the book. The book is largely 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.719 told in scenes, and so many of the scenes in 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.679 the book are literally not just set in nineteen sixty 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.600 one or nineteen sixty three, but they're also set in 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.440 the here and the now, in which Malcolm is both 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.720 speaking to the moment in nineteen sixty two as well 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:41.200 as the moment here and now, so that people can 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.760 see how Malcolm's, his message and his legacy lives, and 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:51.040 it lives in a moment of spreading anti blackness, of Islamophobia, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.800 in which black people are being divided. And this was 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:59.160 a man who directly challenged anti black racism, who directly 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:05.080 challenged Islamophobia, who directly urged black people to unite. He 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.120 would oftentimes say to black people, they don't hang you 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.840 because you're a Methodist. They don't hang you because you're 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.080 a Baptist. They hang you because you're black. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.200 Well, you know, while we're here, one of the things 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.640 that I've noticed, and this is before we were able 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:30.279 to have a conversation, but there's been this kind of 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:35.200 new barrier that's come about, and call it the last 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:43.120 maybe eight years, and it has manifested itself in the 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.000 form of book bannings and oftentimes, as I mentioned, you know, 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.280 I've seen books that you've written on these books, and 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:54.720 certainly more recently, what do you make of the attacks 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:59.520 on literature and ultimately, what do you make of the 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:04.400 rebrand end of American history as CRT And what I 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.560 want from you here is the why in terms of 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.600 why history is important. I want the why in terms 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.720 of why are they attacking it and so forth? Can 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.000 you give us a little bit more on that? 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.440 Sure, let's mean. I think one of the ways to 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:24.720 explain the why is to explain the origins of book 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:29.680 banning in this country. The original og book banners were 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:34.679 in slavers. They literally ban abolitionist texts in the South. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.840 And at the same time they ban abolitionist texts, they 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.839 didn't allow black people to read and write right, because 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:49.080 they recognize that through reading and writing abolitionist texts, we 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:54.120 could realize, if we didn't already, that the problem wasn't us. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.320 We could figure out ways to smash and eliminate slavery, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.040 which of course was the source, you know, of their 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.200 richest And then even the vast majority of white Americans 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:10.120 in the South who weren't enslavers, could also realize how 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.520 slavery was harming them too, so they needed they neither 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.480 wanted black people nor white people in slavers did to 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.680 recognize that in slavers were the problem, that slavery was 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:28.960 the problem, that we collectively were being undermined and to 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.520 a certain extent, oppressed because of those enslavers. And I 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.800 think it's the same thing now, you know, I think 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.480 you have so many random Americans who don't know their history, 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:46.400 who don't understand the ways in which a this current 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:54.800 president is literally instituting policies that relative to black people 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.560 are going to benefit them. But relative to black people, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.880 but then if you take black people, it's ultimately going 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.720 to harm that exactly right, So for instance, relative to 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:09.920 black people, it's gonna benefit white people. When if they 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.560 make these tax cuts permanent, but it's actually only going 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.320 to benefit a small segment of white people, and the 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.720 vast majority of white people are gonna have to essentially 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.280 pay for those tax cuts for the super rich. And 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.760 so I think that what education does is it allows 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.320 people to not be manipulated. And I think that's why 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.440 I am constantly in the book. So I'm like, they're 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.920 not gonna play me. And I know the more I read, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.280 the more I understand history, the more I understand the present, 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.720 the more I'm able to grasp what is being said 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.400 to me and why. And the more i'm the more 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.160 I'm able to prevent people from manipulating me to do 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.440 things that are against my own interests. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.439 I wish more people would adopt that stance. We've seen 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:08.000 far too many manipulated directly into doing things against their 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:15.960 own best interest just because racism flatly in the wake 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.319 of the election, and now that the new president has 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.800 been inaugurated and got right to work on the agenda 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.320 that we all saw coming, for some people, there's been 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:34.240 a sense of hopelessness. Many are looking for some form 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:41.080 of decisive, specific, actionable leadership from Democrats to try to 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:46.280 regain some of that ground that was lost, you know, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:51.120 over this past election cycle, over this past year, from 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:56.320 what we've noticed, the planning or strategy seems fragmented. You know, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.560 at best from your purview, What are some steps that 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.199 we can take or that our leadership can take, that 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.480 are some viable strategies or viable steps that we can 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.959 take collectively For liberals and those who believe in liberal 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:18.000 who have a more liberal political leaning, I think. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:24.600 It's important just for us to realize that what this 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:32.200 current administration is seeking to do is destroy any program 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:39.200 or organization that is striving for really equity and justice. 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.000 And I think the reason why I just wanted to 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:48.719 underline that is because if we have a program or 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:54.079 for part of an organization, or if we've created a platform, 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.000 or if there's a platform or program or organization that 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:04.120 we like, it's important for us to understand that those organizations, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.280 those entities are under attack. And so when they're under 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.840 when something is under attack, what is the solution to 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:16.360 defend it, to protect it, to fund it, to support it, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.400 to ensure that it's going to survive this attack, and 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.760 if anything, to grow it. Right in the midst you know, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:28.120 of the storm to create new entities and organizations, you know, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.640 and platforms that are that are anti racists. And I 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.800 just want to sort of emphasize that because there's a 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:43.240 number of entities that we can that we already are 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.120 in our backyards, that we could be supporting, and those 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.280 are the entities that we need to ensure that survive, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.360 and those are the entities that are going to power 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.800 the movement that can ultimately create a new, a new world. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.680 So I want to ask something here that has come 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.280 up quite a bit. So, you know, Q and myself, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.880 we spend a lot of time in the deep end 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.160 of you know, you know, the right wing, you know, 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.400 media circles and chat rooms and so forth, just to 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.920 keep an eye on what they are talking about, what 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.240 it is that they think is accurate, and so forth, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.400 so that we know how to have conversations that we 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.920 believe our listeners can use to make the changes in 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:40.000 their individual communities. And there's this persistent narrative which I 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.960 suspect that you know, I haven't been alive forever, but 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.800 I suspect this has been a narrative that has existed 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.080 for some time, but certainly in recent years and certainly 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.960 in recent months. There's this narrative that exists that suggests 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:59.480 that white men are under attack and that everything that 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.319 benefit it's someone who is not a white man, indeed 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.320 comes at their expense. And so if a white man 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:11.160 is not thriving or prospering or whatever, this narrative fits 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.199 nicely into their worldview because they can easily point to 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.079 black people, immigrants. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:17.080 Et cetera. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:25.040 What would you say to people that kind of harbor 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.079 this sentiment that white men or white people are under attack, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:35.240 and how would our listeners challenge that narrative in their 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.320 day to day lives as they attempt to go out 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.360 and you know, perhaps they're at the beginning stages, but 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.679 they're trying to be anti racists themselves. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:50.960 Sure, I think. I think first, white men, like black men, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.240 are not a monolith. There are many different groups of 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.520 white men. There's only a very small number of white 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:09.040 men who are super wealthy, who are heterosexual, who are Protestant. 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:09.080 Who. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:17.360 And so if you actually break down white men, working 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:23.360 class white men, and impoverished white men are actually under attack, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:28.480 but not by the forces that they think. It's actually 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.080 the forces that they're voting for that are making it 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:37.040 harder for them to organize and unionize. That's cutting sort 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:41.400 of government resources and benefits that help them. That is 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:46.960 stripping away funding for things like cancer research that can 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:54.200 actually benefit them. That is costing them more money out 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:59.200 of their pocket because of the cost of food and eggs, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.360 which continues to sort of go up. And so for 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.760 working class white mele and the vast majority of white 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.600 men again are not rich. You know, when you have 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:17.680 a government that is controlled by billionaires like that, those 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.680 certainly billionaires are not acting in the best interests of 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.240 working class white men. They're acting in the best interests 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.320 of billionaire white men. And then you've had a number 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.440 of white men who are gay, who've had books that 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.800 have been banned. They can't teach their children, you know 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.080 about homophobia, just as black parents can't teach their children 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.720 you know about black history because of book bands. You've 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:47.160 had white Jewish men who faced all sorts of anti 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:52.520 semitism from white supremacists. You've had white men who are 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.920 Democrats who live in states whereby this government is like, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:01.080 I'm not sending any funding to California, that's a blue state. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:06.520 I don't care about y'all. You've had and so I 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:11.000 think you can go down the list of different groups 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.800 of white men to really talk to them about how 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.640 this administration's policies are actually not benefiting them and it 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.600 actually are hurting them. And I think when we speak 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.800 about white men in a monolith as a monolith, I 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:31.200 think it actually helps those forces that are seeking to 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.880 harm white men, because then you have white men who 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.240 are making thirty thousand dollars a year who are somehow 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.880 identifying with billionaires when there's no relationship between them, and 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.720 the reason why they're only making thirty thousand dollars is 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.000 because of the policies those billionaire politicians are supporting. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:56.840 And I think white supremacy has as it's superpower that 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:02.400 white men do have a monolithic view of themselves, so 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.879 they are united in those that they choose to oppress. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.239 Black people are not a monolith, and we wear that 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.960 and we say that proudly. But the lack of solidarity 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.880 in that way has proven to be a weakness because 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.040 you know, we tend to find the one thing that 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.520 we disagree on and make that the champion divider of 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.800 everything that we're trying to do, while those who oppress 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.000 us and oppose us can disagree on everything except for 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.359 the fact that white people are superior, and their monolithic 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.639 view in that regard has been their superpower in organizing 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.640 and strategizing and showing up when it's time to vote 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.720 against their own best interests, because as long as it's 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.120 against black people that it must be the right thing 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:52.600 to do. Your insight, your writing, your mind, your point 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.560 of view are things that you know, these two gentlemen 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.960 over here consider national treasures. Man, For our listeners who 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:06.000 are being introduced to you today, when is Malcolm Lives 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.920 going to be released? Where can they find you? How 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:13.679 can they support you social media websites. We do not 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.880 want this to be the last time that people who 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.840 are hearing your voice for the first time hear it. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.080 And we want to make sure that we are as 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.840 engaged as we can be, because we benefit greatly from 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.520 just being in your company, sir, and I. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.639 Just want to thank each of you for having these 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:37.080 thoughtful and really critical conversations. You know, I can only 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:41.520 imagine the number of listeners who've been able to go 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.879 on their own transformative intellectual journey because of the conversations 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.760 that and even the insight you provided them. But and 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.800 so I'm just excited to be able to be in 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:59.400 conversation with you. Malcolm Lives is dropping May thirteen, which 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.200 is about a week before Malcolm terms one hundred years old, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.080 six days before he turns one hundred years old on 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.600 May nineteenth of this year. And Malcolm Lives is pretty 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.080 much available wherever books you know are sold. And my 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.720 handle on social is my first name Ibrahim x K. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.919 And then you know, of course I'm here on my 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:29.760 websites ibramaxican dy dot com, so I'm around, follow me, engage. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:35.040 But I'm really excited about about Malcolm Lives. I feel 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.719 like I've been working on this book my whole life. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:38.320 Yeah. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.280 Yeah, well we're excited to check it out ourselves. And 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:46.439 once again, it's it's important for people who are just 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.680 coming to the table in terms of, you know, their activism, 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.920 just coming to the table in terms of how they 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:57.959 choose to resist tyranny and whatever. For folks that are 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.680 just coming to the table to plug into some good resources, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.119 and indeed for folks that listen to me and Q 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.600 either on the Black Information Network, on civic side, for 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.520 on any of the shows that we do, just know 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:19.200 that doctor eberm X k is one such north star 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.119 that we look to to quote a term that Q 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.639 uses quite frequently. You know, people have told us in 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:31.760 recent you know, weeks and months that now our voice 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.520 is more important than ever, which feels kind of crazy 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.320 because you know, of course, we, like many folks, thought 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.320 the world was going to go in a kinder, more 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:51.400 intellectually superior direction. But we understand the spirit in which 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.879 that compliment is paid to us, that that, you know, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.280 what we do now means more than it ever has, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.520 and that's a compliment that we'd like to pay forward 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.400 to you, sir, because your voice now is more important. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.440 You know, it's very easy for us to wonder if 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.560 we're going crazy, if we miss something, why is this happening? 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.280 What is this normal? And for a person such as 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.240 yourself who's so connected to history, a person who is 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:23.600 such an introspective and insightful or tour and author, a 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.880 person who just kind of has some insight and kind 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.240 of lives in a space where a lot of people 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:28.879 don't because they have to go to work and then 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:30.760 they have to take care of these kids, and you know, 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:32.639 they can only tap in from time to time. That's 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.760 all the bandwidth they have. It's important for us to 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.960 make sure that we tell you, of course, but we 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.639 also tell our listeners that you know, there there are 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.680 some folks that really do have the game, so to speak, 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.520 and our estimation, and you're one such individual. So with 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.719 that in mind, I'd like to thank you again very 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.000 much for your time and your insight, of course, coming 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.760 onto the show to share some of your thoughts and 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.080 of course your upcoming book The World to Us once again. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.840 Today's guest is doctor Ebram X Kendy, a National Book 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.720 Award winning author of the forthcoming book Malcolm Lives. For 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.879 those who may have missed the first part of the episode, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.919 do us a favor. Hit civiccipher dot com because you 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:22.159 can download this episode in its entirety. You can also 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.520 submit any questions, any topics, anything that you want us 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.080 to discuss what's going on in your community. 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