Speaker 1: On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy and best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome
Speaker 1: to the Bechtel Cast. I'm Caitlin, I'm Jamie, and we're
Speaker 1: here to talk about movies, specifically what women. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: portrayal of women. The portrayal of women. What are they like?
Speaker 1: What are they like? Do they get? Oh? Here's the test.
Speaker 1: Are there two women in the movie who are speaking
Speaker 1: to each other about something other than a man? Do
Speaker 1: they have names? We want to know Ideally they do?
Speaker 1: Ideally yes, And that, my friends, is the Bechtel Test
Speaker 1: created Bye Joey Bechtel, Bobby Bechtel, the second Mr Bobby Beckdel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what this podcast is about. And we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about a movie as we do every single time.
Speaker 1: We're so excited for this episode. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Um,
Speaker 1: let's just jump right in and introduce our guests. She
Speaker 1: is the best. She's so funny. She is a best
Speaker 1: selling author and she co runs Devastating or Press on
Speaker 1: a Los Angeles it man meadows. Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: was a great intro. No information about me, but like,
Speaker 1: I know I've been to your home. You know what.
Speaker 1: That's right, You've a lovely home. By the way, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Amanda. Fun fact about Amanda, She's got a
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown poster in her bathroom. Yes, and it's from
Speaker 1: the movie everyone forgets about. I'd never heard of it.
Speaker 1: I had to look it up. After Charlie Brown. They
Speaker 1: go to France, they stay in the countryside, there's great stuff.
Speaker 1: A house is on fire. Whose idea plane? It's great?
Speaker 1: Is the French Tourism board responsible for the absolutely let's
Speaker 1: bring beloved American characters, you know, just to rants, just
Speaker 1: to like make it an appealing to to the younger set.
Speaker 1: My dad has a weird amount of spite for France. Really,
Speaker 1: he calls everything that he thinks rich people do French.
Speaker 1: One time he called me and he was like where
Speaker 1: are you And I was like, I'm in a Starbucks
Speaker 1: and he was like, what are you French? Wait? Was
Speaker 1: he one of those people who like, like, instead of
Speaker 1: calling them French fries, he'd call them freedom fries. No.
Speaker 1: I think he just like decided that French was a
Speaker 1: synonym for bougie, which does, which does? Which makes sense
Speaker 1: if you view French people as like bread carrying cartoon characters. Right.
Speaker 1: I had an idea for a sketch that I wanted
Speaker 1: to perform once where it would just be like a
Speaker 1: quick blackout sketch, but it would be Jack from Titanic
Speaker 1: and Rose or some woman. And the woman would say, Jack,
Speaker 1: I want you to draw me like one of your
Speaker 1: French girls. And she takes off a robe and it's
Speaker 1: just like her, with like a beret and like a
Speaker 1: striped shirt, with like a little red hand, like smoking
Speaker 1: a cigarette and holding a bag a t great, I
Speaker 1: love it, I'm in give me. Can it also be
Speaker 1: the caffee Baits character? Oh yeah, Molly sinkable Molly Branch, Yes,
Speaker 1: like so very unsinkable. Hey, what movie we're talking about today?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I said that we're talking about We
Speaker 1: just talk about Titanic. Ackat, No, we're not talking man.
Speaker 1: Well if I know that, that's what we always want
Speaker 1: to do. Okay, this is the same eraboh true, same
Speaker 1: year because the movie we're talking about is Spice World.
Speaker 1: That's a yas queen. Yeah, this is kind of a
Speaker 1: yas Queen kind of movie. It's super is excuse my shouting.
Speaker 1: I have a Mike's Hard lemonade. It's a harder. I
Speaker 1: has a lightning bowl over the r we. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: wild serious. If you want to get crazy, you're gonna
Speaker 1: want to funk with this lemonade. Does that mean it's
Speaker 1: a higher alcohol content than a regular mix hard? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's actually kind of ridiculous. Yeah. It says warning
Speaker 1: next to it too, it says warning contains alcohol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready. Just in case I'm not ready, because
Speaker 1: it looks like a kind of like juice, which is
Speaker 1: essentially where it is just like riddled with alcohol. Also,
Speaker 1: when you smell it, it's it smells like the love
Speaker 1: Spell body spray from Victorious. Remember this candy sticky sweet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's I wouldn't say it's good, but
Speaker 1: I would say that I have it a lot, that
Speaker 1: it is peak drinkable, consumable. Love it. Yeah, and all
Speaker 1: the bliss points. Give some snack food lingo, some inside
Speaker 1: snack food business lingo. Do you know someone in the biz?
Speaker 1: I just read an except an excerpt from that book
Speaker 1: about bliss points, about like, how like Freedola like designs
Speaker 1: tastes to be like peak salt, peak sugar. That sounds
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I bet the Mike's Harder people develop
Speaker 1: their product using sheer intuition. They're like, we know, like,
Speaker 1: but how does it feel? How does a Mike's Hard
Speaker 1: lemonade of twelve year olds? Yeah? I have this kid's
Speaker 1: how does it feel? I want to be a part
Speaker 1: of them's hard focus group? Like what would it be? Like?
Speaker 1: There's there's a bad sketch that I could write Mike's
Speaker 1: Hard focus group. It's a little bit harder than your
Speaker 1: regular bug. I'd buy it. I'll pay you a bunch
Speaker 1: of money. Do you want to buy my sketch? Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's go back in time, spitch it to
Speaker 1: funnier name in two thousand nine. Yeah, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: give me a give me a be selep any b
Speaker 1: selep be in my sketch? That is bad? Whoa sick? Ross? Jamie?
Speaker 1: So we're talking about spice World and said that, well,
Speaker 1: yeah we did, but that we immediately got off topic.
Speaker 1: And I prepared for such an eventuality. I brought us
Speaker 1: all physical totems to remind us that we're talking about
Speaker 1: Spice World. Yeah, so I actually really really no. Lie
Speaker 1: bought these two two and a half years ago at
Speaker 1: a ninine cent story. I have these three inch mini
Speaker 1: figurines of four of the Spice Girls. Let's see. We've
Speaker 1: got baby here, we got sporty, We've got your posh
Speaker 1: she's in some kind of bikini, doesn't look that posh?
Speaker 1: And scary Spice who's in some kind of cow themed
Speaker 1: get ups. Animal prints. Yeah, she loves her animal prints.
Speaker 1: That's what makes her scary, not that she's black. How
Speaker 1: do we feel one? I mean, are we addressing was
Speaker 1: problematic in this movie? Or was problematic about the Spice
Speaker 1: Girls as an entity? I think it's an entity because,
Speaker 1: like the movie is actually not that offensive, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of bad. Yeah, so tell us about, like, when
Speaker 1: when did you first see this? What's your history with
Speaker 1: this movie? Let's see, so I like, I immediately love
Speaker 1: the Spice Girls. I was the right age. I think
Speaker 1: I was like in fifth grade when I Wannabe came
Speaker 1: out and yeah, it was just like me and the
Speaker 1: girls at school just figuring out which Spice Girl we're
Speaker 1: going to be. It was pretty obvious for me, but
Speaker 1: I got to sit and watch everyone else argue about
Speaker 1: whether they were baby or posh, so that was fun. Um,
Speaker 1: and I loved the first album. Um. I never got
Speaker 1: to see them live, but I did see Spice World
Speaker 1: in theaters and I hadn't seen it since uh last night,
Speaker 1: and today I watched a bunch of clips in random order,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like watching them anyway. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was probably closer to real order than I think. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a crazy, mad cap like Monkey's style adventure
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, it did seem kind of
Speaker 1: feminist when I was a kid. Now it's like it
Speaker 1: almost feels like it was before it's time, because it
Speaker 1: was like kind of ironically feminist. Um, I feel like
Speaker 1: they weren't trying, but it somehow ended up still. It
Speaker 1: was like weird corporate feminist. It's a very like neoliberal capitalist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: girl power, they say, wonder if they were getting money
Speaker 1: for so much like girl power because this is something
Speaker 1: we can put on an eardescent sticker. The little girls
Speaker 1: will die. So many shirts that girl power. When I
Speaker 1: was little and they were all pink. Yeah yeah, like
Speaker 1: I I there was the little like crop top with
Speaker 1: the with the shoulder like the caps leave that said
Speaker 1: boys lie and there's like an eardescent print. Like there
Speaker 1: was this girl who wore it like every other day
Speaker 1: at school. It was like its like a spice girl.
Speaker 1: Let's stop like graphic t stories. I had my fifth
Speaker 1: grade school picture. Um um, I have braces. And I
Speaker 1: used to love getting corn rows, which is like weird.
Speaker 1: And I used to love getting corn rows. That was, yeah,
Speaker 1: what you do the butterfly clips? I did the butterfly clips,
Speaker 1: and in this particular is a specific genre of corn row, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It still looked a little bit off,
Speaker 1: but I was wearing a yeah it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was very poor neighborhood and Massa jees, we all
Speaker 1: had corn rows. It was a different time. Anyways, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt that says too young for Ashton's.
Speaker 1: Oh I remember those shirts. Yeah, you get him a
Speaker 1: Macy's and my aunt got it for me. I didn't
Speaker 1: need to too young for Ashton isn't like yeah, because
Speaker 1: he was on show. He was on first name basis,
Speaker 1: like fame in the early ots like do Where's My Car? Show? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that I was a little too old from
Speaker 1: at that point, and it said too young for Ashton,
Speaker 1: as if to say, but I recognize I'm too young. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was actually a very progressive shirt or a warning
Speaker 1: to Ashton, say he's like, hey, what a cute little
Speaker 1: Oh no, she's too young baby, like knee socks lead
Speaker 1: my shirt and too young for you? Too young for you,
Speaker 1: but I think you're very handsome. Oh my god. Should
Speaker 1: I'll do the recap of this. I don't know, let's
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, how do you even recap a
Speaker 1: movie without a plot? I don't series of I'm winded.
Speaker 1: It's not even sketches skits. Yeah, it's not sophisticated enough
Speaker 1: to have a sketching sketch. It is ski decidedly skin room.
Speaker 1: The story focuses on the Spice girls. They all play themselves.
Speaker 1: They're already like famous in the movie. They have like
Speaker 1: I guess a manager named Clifford. I'm not entirely sure
Speaker 1: what his job is. And then he has like a
Speaker 1: another person who helps named Debrah. They're kind of like
Speaker 1: keeping the girls on track because they're about to do
Speaker 1: a live show in a few days or some amount
Speaker 1: of time minutes. The concept of time. It's very Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: there is this guy who runs a tabloid magazine and
Speaker 1: he's like, I hate these Spice Girls. People like him
Speaker 1: too much. I want different headlines. So he hires this
Speaker 1: like he's so sweaty and everything. He's like, I made
Speaker 1: them again a stroidem and he just covered in flop sweat.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is he so stranged? He's it's like
Speaker 1: almost like a j Jonah Jamison, like all I think
Speaker 1: about his Spider Man where he's like, oh, I think
Speaker 1: about is as Spice Girls. He's like a strung out
Speaker 1: just like with way lower steaks. So yeah, he hires
Speaker 1: a guy like a photographer to like kind of go
Speaker 1: undercover and like try to dig up some dirt on
Speaker 1: the Spice Girl so that he can start running different headlines.
Speaker 1: He got the he got the foggy toe sucking picture. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: there are these two other like Hollywood guys who want
Speaker 1: to make a movie about the Spice Girls, so they
Speaker 1: like keep pitching stories to Clifford. So those are like
Speaker 1: some of the subplots. I guess. The main plot is
Speaker 1: just the Spice Girls preparing for this concert, Like they
Speaker 1: go to dance camp or something like and they have
Speaker 1: a friend named Nicola. They have a pregnant and they're
Speaker 1: like trying to support her and her pregnancy, and it's
Speaker 1: just about them having a friendship and being in a
Speaker 1: girl band together. It's such a confusing movie, Like every
Speaker 1: part of it, I'm like, do they hate mothers? Do
Speaker 1: they like mothers? Do they? Because they they're like, we're
Speaker 1: so happy for you, and then right, and then they're
Speaker 1: like if we were mothers, we'd be fat and boring.
Speaker 1: And then you see that long, admittedly great skit about babies,
Speaker 1: like how many babies do I have? Again? Right, this
Speaker 1: movie is there's like all these like dream sequence slash
Speaker 1: weird flash forward type things sprinkled throughout, and then at
Speaker 1: the end it's revealed it's been a movie the whole time.
Speaker 1: This movie is so met Yeah, it's crazy. It has
Speaker 1: a thinker thinker. There's like this it's a mad, mad,
Speaker 1: mad mad world feeling where there's like all of these
Speaker 1: different camps and people going after the Spice girls, but
Speaker 1: they don't give you enough time to understand what they're like.
Speaker 1: Angles aren't necessarily There's also the two screenwriters who are
Speaker 1: like trying to like pitch a movie and then there's
Speaker 1: like Alan Cummings in it forgot about Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and I forget Yeah, he's trying to make a documentary
Speaker 1: about them. First of all, let me say, why are
Speaker 1: so many antagonists? But none of them are even like
Speaker 1: all that bad. They're just like comically, Yeah, they do
Speaker 1: the concert. Everyone loves them. First of all, let me say,
Speaker 1: I would totally have sex with Alan Cumming. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's such as a hard note for me. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: super surprised we do not have the same taste in men.
Speaker 1: We That's like the best part of like a solid
Speaker 1: friendship is like there's never going to be a clash.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take Alfred Molina every time. You're gonna
Speaker 1: take Alan Comming every time. Well, I'll go home happy, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll still take Alfred. Mollie and I had. Paul likes
Speaker 1: like my high end, like queer. He knows a lot.
Speaker 1: I can learn a few things. I don't like to
Speaker 1: be taught. I'm like, I'm going to show you how
Speaker 1: it's done. I'm Blench devereauh she was, that's our Jamie.
Speaker 1: I'm a real blanch. I wish I was a real blanch.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a Dorothy. I think, yeah, me too,
Speaker 1: but I want to be a Sophia. She's so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar enough with the show, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna call my home. I'm like, really a Raphael from
Speaker 1: the Ninja Turtle. There was crude dude with an attitude.
Speaker 1: There's actually a Spice Girls Ninja Turtles connection. I read
Speaker 1: the because I vaguely remembered that Roger Ebert particularly really
Speaker 1: really really hated this movie and like wrote a really
Speaker 1: fun bad review of it where he says, the Spice
Speaker 1: Girls are in paraphrasing, but like they're as easy to
Speaker 1: distinguish as the Ninja Turtles, but it doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: none of them have any personality. Like they look very different,
Speaker 1: but they're all the same person It was like interesting
Speaker 1: parallel Saker would disagree. I would too, but I just
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting that he felt so like really
Speaker 1: revisited this movie a number of times in specials in books,
Speaker 1: like he for someone who disliked this movie, he really
Speaker 1: put some hours into really thinking about it, because it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting failure. Like there's a lot to dissects.
Speaker 1: It's like a time capsule. It's like what other point
Speaker 1: in time would this be allowed, right, Yeah, just pretty much.
Speaker 1: I remember this exact day. This movie is super popular
Speaker 1: when it came out, but it like not that it
Speaker 1: hasn't aged well because I just watched it and I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, not because it's a good movie. Mostly it's
Speaker 1: just it has great jokes. This is a very funny movie.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot. There are a lot of funny moments.
Speaker 1: I was telling Jamie before we started recording that, like,
Speaker 1: I probably saw this movie for the first time. I
Speaker 1: might have been around when it came out, if not,
Speaker 1: maybe a few years later, but I was still you know, young, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, early teenager kind of thing, and I totally
Speaker 1: dismissed it as a movie that, like I probably have
Speaker 1: paid attention to it. I was like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: want I don't I don't really care about the Spice Girls.
Speaker 1: I was more into Backstreet Boys. I was your favor.
Speaker 1: Brian me too. He had a hard condition, which would
Speaker 1: be Brian he did. He was the hot one. No,
Speaker 1: Nick Carter was a hot one, but Brian was the
Speaker 1: one who brought a certain something to the table. Brian
Speaker 1: had a really nice jaw line, and that was what
Speaker 1: I liked about he was Kevin's cousin. Kee was the
Speaker 1: old one that was the more square faced dude with
Speaker 1: like the ash brown hair. Right, it's like always just
Speaker 1: like a regular dude with the spiky hair. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then I remember my mom had a big crush on Kevin,
Speaker 1: even the time that he wore the kilt. I know,
Speaker 1: Keny was killed. And then Howie was the worst of all.
Speaker 1: He's saying that song Spanish Eyes. How he super gross.
Speaker 1: But a j Vanity came god and he was troubled.
Speaker 1: He went to rehab, but he was like, oh about it.
Speaker 1: I saw I've told Caitlin this story before. I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: but I saw my first back story my first and
Speaker 1: last back Street Boys concert the night before nine eleven. Alright,
Speaker 1: and your mom September ten was part of a simpler
Speaker 1: time because she wanted to see who wasn't Cisco Cisco
Speaker 1: Cisco opened Wow. She I missed part of the concert
Speaker 1: because she wanted to get in line and meet Cisco.
Speaker 1: She thought he was a babe. And then and then
Speaker 1: Nick and I had a sign that was like I
Speaker 1: love you Brian anyway. Anyway, So yeah, I saw this
Speaker 1: and not long after I came out, and then I
Speaker 1: like dismissed it as something. I was like, why would
Speaker 1: I want to watch this this this is a dumb
Speaker 1: girl movie. I want to watch Indiana Jones instead, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went through cool girls syndrome too. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm still there. But then but so I rewatched it
Speaker 1: for this episode and then I was like, holy crap.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like how I experienced clueless. Like
Speaker 1: the first time, I was like, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just dumb Beverly Hills girls. And then and then
Speaker 1: I forgot that it was like riddled with jokes. There's
Speaker 1: so much comedy in it and clothes and in Spice World.
Speaker 1: I saw this movie a little bit. I probably saw
Speaker 1: it like more early two because I was I was
Speaker 1: too young for it when it came out, and so
Speaker 1: I became more acquainted with the Spice Girls kind of
Speaker 1: after they had already sort of gone away. I came
Speaker 1: in around S Club seven. My sweet spot is S Club.
Speaker 1: There ain't nobody like an S Club party. That's about
Speaker 1: where I was at. But I I have seen this
Speaker 1: movie a ton of times, and for some reason, I
Speaker 1: remember being so scandalized by it at the time and
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh my, like I shouldn't be watching this,
Speaker 1: like their skirts are so short and they say bra
Speaker 1: But I loved this movie and I still now like
Speaker 1: watch I hadn't seen it in at least ten years,
Speaker 1: and it's so much it's even more fun to watch now.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Yeah, it is a fun movie to
Speaker 1: watch again. I mean, if you're like a budding screenwriter,
Speaker 1: don't take any hints or cues from it on how
Speaker 1: to write a screenplay, because it doesn't do a good
Speaker 1: job with that in terms of like story structure, but
Speaker 1: as far as just like lovable cares and funny jokes,
Speaker 1: it's an enjoyable movie to watch and kind of a
Speaker 1: British tradition two of like there were the Beatles movies
Speaker 1: and the in the sixties, and then the were the Monkeys.
Speaker 1: They were like they were like making fun of the Beatles,
Speaker 1: right right right yeah, and then there's that like kind
Speaker 1: of Benny Hill quality too. There's just like this whole
Speaker 1: like tradition of like British camp. Yeah, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: take it so like literally. My one of my favorite
Speaker 1: parts about the movie is the tagline, which is they
Speaker 1: don't just saying that's like I had taglines for the movie.
Speaker 1: There's another one that's like, so you want a revolution,
Speaker 1: do you? It's like, how does that relution? What happened?
Speaker 1: A bus blows up? I wonder what you mean? I
Speaker 1: wonder like I do wonder, like would this movie be
Speaker 1: incredibly not just confusing, but like not fun to watch
Speaker 1: for someone who had not even been sort of alive
Speaker 1: in I count myself as sort of being alive in
Speaker 1: in it. I existed, but I didn't know what things were.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a good window, like timing wise,
Speaker 1: like there's a really good double dutch opening for like nostalgia.
Speaker 1: So like if you just go down a tumbler hole
Speaker 1: long enough, you'll, like you'll piece it together from the
Speaker 1: banana clips to the glitter and then the platform shoes,
Speaker 1: and then you'll eventually make it to the Spice girls
Speaker 1: get there and then you and then you'll figure out
Speaker 1: what was going on, and then you'll watch Spice World
Speaker 1: and you'll really appreciate it. But it won't be the same, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it is. It is like peak very specific time
Speaker 1: and place. Um, but that's why it's so great. I
Speaker 1: don't know that's why it's fine. Nineties cancer will remember.
Speaker 1: I mean I was eleven when the movie came out.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's the peak demographic for the Spice
Speaker 1: Girl and this movie. Even so, I was like too busy,
Speaker 1: Like Bank to the Future is my favorite movie. It
Speaker 1: still I say that was you also yesterday. I have
Speaker 1: not grown much as a person, but have a series
Speaker 1: of unfortunate events tattoo and I love it. So no regrets,
Speaker 1: no need to grow. As far as the characters, we
Speaker 1: already kind of went through them. But we've got baby
Speaker 1: and sporty and ginger and posh and scary Spice. I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, how do we feel about the one
Speaker 1: spice girl of color being named scary? I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't feel good about it. It's very on the nose.
Speaker 1: It's like because it wasn't it a tabloid that named
Speaker 1: them those names. It wasn't an official thing. It was
Speaker 1: like they came out and then like I think maybe
Speaker 1: it was the Daily Mail or some ship that was
Speaker 1: like reviewing them and called them like blank spice, blank spice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that was that was like the media's immediate take
Speaker 1: on the format of the Spice Girls and so it
Speaker 1: was just like she's scary. She's just scary, and that stuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah. So they're basically like, oh, this
Speaker 1: one has red hair, so she's ginger, right, this one
Speaker 1: acts like a baby baby, which is like that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like some of them, it's pretty easy to pinpoint.
Speaker 1: There's not seen in this movie where Baby is not
Speaker 1: actively licking a lollipop through any bit of dialogue. Real
Speaker 1: gross dis and like even her like her give like
Speaker 1: they all kind of borrow things, like the baby Spice
Speaker 1: is just so obviously like a harrow Juko girl, Like
Speaker 1: she steals so much from Japanese culture. She literally in
Speaker 1: that scene where they're like, you know, you're gonna say
Speaker 1: hello to the whole world, and she immediately it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take Japan, like right, she says, they're
Speaker 1: very it just like come on, baby. I like how
Speaker 1: they are asked, oh, how many countries are you is
Speaker 1: it going to reach? And they're like millions, maybe mole yeah,
Speaker 1: and then aliens come back seeds crazy alien let's start.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good representation of what this movie is.
Speaker 1: The story of this movie is the Spice girls are
Speaker 1: very famous so that the same ship from Independence date
Speaker 1: comes down with like millions of lights. But like like
Speaker 1: Mars attacks style aliens probably very campy, wet wet they
Speaker 1: one of them they're covered in goop. Yeah. Their hands
Speaker 1: are just knuckles, like a three knuckle cluster. One of
Speaker 1: them knuckle cluster, knuckle, rageous bar of hand. One of
Speaker 1: them grabs scary spices breast and sexually assaulter. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then the other aliens, Like I told shake her hand.
Speaker 1: He was like I thought that was her hand, Like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, a little bit more research. Can you only
Speaker 1: punch if your hand is only knuckles, you may have
Speaker 1: gently punched. Yeah, And then like later they asked Ginger
Speaker 1: for a kiss, So it's like, okay, well if you ask,
Speaker 1: if you know what a kiss is, then you should
Speaker 1: know what a hand is. So you just wanted to
Speaker 1: legit go for Melboe. That was the UM. I love
Speaker 1: that the Spice girls can speak the language that they're speaking,
Speaker 1: or at least understand it. Yeah, And it's like does
Speaker 1: that have three ksus it's purple. The Spice girls are
Speaker 1: totally They just conform to whatever is needed for the
Speaker 1: skit they are appearing in. Yes, which is like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's aliens. Well they speak alien and they're so willing
Speaker 1: to like absorb anything into spice cannon, which is like
Speaker 1: so great. And that's like kind of the core idea
Speaker 1: of a pop group too. It's like, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's a shape shifting parasite, like you like this, we're
Speaker 1: this like right, I mean, I guess that is close
Speaker 1: to like a modern day equivalent would be like Katy
Speaker 1: Perry of like whatever. Katy Perry doesn't have a personality,
Speaker 1: she's doing whatever the fuck you're supposed to be doing
Speaker 1: as Yeah, where it's like, oh, we like aliens right now,
Speaker 1: et let's do it. We're the eighties are green lipstick
Speaker 1: while I do it right, like the eighties are back.
Speaker 1: We're doing t G I f like she does not.
Speaker 1: She's like, you want me to shoot cream out of
Speaker 1: my titties, I'll do it. What do you want? And
Speaker 1: that's how girl groups and and guide groups to an
Speaker 1: extent worked. Yeah, it's true, still work. They're just they're
Speaker 1: just they're just avatars and we're just projecting ourselves onto them.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. That's thank you so much. I'm doing a
Speaker 1: real deep die. Let me just continue on with that
Speaker 1: because I have a few scenes I want to discuss.
Speaker 1: The scene when they're in Milan and the backup dancers
Speaker 1: come in, Oh yeah, and everyone's like, oh, what's what's
Speaker 1: this because they're like these chiseled muscle guys with like
Speaker 1: only like shiny underwear on or like tidy Whitey's or
Speaker 1: something objectification but like it's fine, and everyone's like, we
Speaker 1: don't want them this, this is not what we wanted.
Speaker 1: And then you see a few of the girls talking
Speaker 1: to like a different one of these guys, and these
Speaker 1: scenes are so funny because Scary like looks at the
Speaker 1: one guy they're like talking about their junk and they're like,
Speaker 1: what do you think this is real? And she's like no,
Speaker 1: I think it's just a rolled up pair of socks. Uh,
Speaker 1: And she's like making fun of his muscles. And then
Speaker 1: Baby is talking to a different one and she's explaining
Speaker 1: to him why there's not enough room in her bed
Speaker 1: for him because of all her stuffed animals and dolls,
Speaker 1: and then Sporty, I think, is talking to a different
Speaker 1: one and I think they're talking about Milan's soccer team
Speaker 1: and how they suck, which is like who gives off fun.
Speaker 1: It could have been like these girls like oggling over
Speaker 1: these hot men and they were just like, oh, you
Speaker 1: guys are dumb, get out of here. We don't want
Speaker 1: you here, which these movies all about. It's like there's
Speaker 1: no love interest. It's just them a celebration of their
Speaker 1: friendship and they're like girl power. Well, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: usually I'm the one to be like in defense of
Speaker 1: the movie. But there are so many male antagonists and
Speaker 1: they're all ineffectual like olymptics idiots, and it's very clearly portrayed.
Speaker 1: But also the Spice Girls are portrayed. It's almost everyone
Speaker 1: in this movie is made out to be like a
Speaker 1: completely stupid um, which is an interesting choice creatively. It's
Speaker 1: like stupid world where everyone's everyone's fucking dumb. But but
Speaker 1: still they're lives are almost completely dictated by the decision
Speaker 1: or like there are men trying to actively manipulate them all.
Speaker 1: Forty five of the villains in this movie are stalking
Speaker 1: them and like throwing obstacles in their way to the
Speaker 1: demands of them, right, And it's like this is not satire,
Speaker 1: but you know, you could see where people would be
Speaker 1: like hey, maybe, like maybe there was one person who
Speaker 1: did a draft of this movie that very likely went
Speaker 1: through four thousand drafts. Sixth of the world contributed to
Speaker 1: the script, and it's based on an idea by the
Speaker 1: Spice Girls. Though, so what if we went on tour
Speaker 1: and we're very famous and they're like, we've got it, girls,
Speaker 1: just give us like six years. Um. But there's just
Speaker 1: like there's all these men trying to manipulate them, and
Speaker 1: arguably it kind of works, but also what kind of
Speaker 1: doesn't because like really nothing changes from the beginning to
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. They start pretty famous, then
Speaker 1: even more famous. Yeah, what does right? They don't like
Speaker 1: demolish the system that created this problem where they're surrounded
Speaker 1: by horrible dudes. It's not an important movie. Will say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say
Speaker 1: this movie didn't change the world. It was like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, it's a very profound. It was like, at
Speaker 1: times really well observed. There were lots of like really
Speaker 1: funny parodic elements where you're like, oh, yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing on top of that. There's no like counterpoint,
Speaker 1: there's no razor to it. I mean there's no there's
Speaker 1: no really anything that happened, Like you could watch any
Speaker 1: five minutes of this movie and have no idea where
Speaker 1: it takes place in the story because nothing happened, like
Speaker 1: many happens. But it's beautiful. In a few times that
Speaker 1: like feminism is mentioned, it's almost as a joke or
Speaker 1: as like right, nothing, you know, no, one's like there's
Speaker 1: no feminist agenda that this moment. But it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like a joke when you're the appropriate age to be
Speaker 1: watching it like this, when it doesn't feel that way
Speaker 1: when you're like twelve, Yeah, when it's like because that's
Speaker 1: like when they say it's totally empty and almost poking
Speaker 1: fun at like you know whatever feminism as a selling
Speaker 1: point as as just a veneer. But yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: really demolish that in any way. Yeah, where there. And
Speaker 1: but if you're eleven and you're like power, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should be like these girls who are actively selling
Speaker 1: me wonder brass girl power to use my credit card
Speaker 1: at North Stops. Yeah, I do love this humor that
Speaker 1: we're I think it's like is this dress too short?
Speaker 1: Or should I have this dress? Or this dress? Dress? Yeah,
Speaker 1: dress and then the little Gucci dress, and then Baby says,
Speaker 1: I think you should have the little Gucci dress. And
Speaker 1: then they're like, yeay, Baby, you fucking idiot. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that seems so funny that that's when they're talking about
Speaker 1: the horoscopes and she's like, you're an aquarius, so you
Speaker 1: don't believe in anything. She's like, well, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that either, what you say about capiticorns. But the two times.
Speaker 1: There's one scene where remembering the photo shoot, when they're
Speaker 1: dressing up as each other, that was really fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that. I think it's is
Speaker 1: it Melby who dresses up as Ginger Spice and she's
Speaker 1: like a good feminism whatever, because I guess Jerry slash
Speaker 1: Ginger was she like quite outspoken aboutism, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember that she was the most outspoken about it, but
Speaker 1: it was it was still various surface level. She's usually
Speaker 1: the one that says yeah. And then whenever the writers
Speaker 1: who were trying to pitch movies to Clifford, they're like
Speaker 1: Spice four five, where Ginger is like the master disguise
Speaker 1: and so she runs into this little phone booth and
Speaker 1: then twirls around and then Bob Hoskins comes out, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: and then he's like feminism, equality between the sexes or whatever.
Speaker 1: So like both times, like any time that, like like
Speaker 1: I said, like feminism or girl power is mentioned, it's
Speaker 1: like usually at the bed of a joke like that,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's totally throw away feminism for the sake
Speaker 1: of like this is starting to be marketable, but not
Speaker 1: even quite marketable enough to not be endorsing bras constantly.
Speaker 1: So ye, I would like to draw attention to how
Speaker 1: many very British sounding names through are in this movie.
Speaker 1: Peek Alan Cumming plays a character named Pays Cuthberts and smithe,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's great. Mark McKinny is great and great
Speaker 1: and yes at Martin Bonfield and uh, Kevin mcmxvott, it's
Speaker 1: just it's uh, it's this movie is so British. There
Speaker 1: there's a barnaby. You can't it's law, you can't have
Speaker 1: a British one without a barnaby. Yes, And then the
Speaker 1: came is we've got Elton John, We've got Elvis Costeller,
Speaker 1: we've got meat Love as the bus Drive, We've got
Speaker 1: Stephen Fry, we've got Hugh Laurie back when they were
Speaker 1: still I think Jennifer Saunders at peak abbab. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: it says Jennifer Saunders as fashionable woman. There's so many
Speaker 1: that would have been, like the Americans would have just
Speaker 1: been called fashionable women. CBS Money Days, Well, wasn't there.
Speaker 1: There's basically a show that there was designing one designing Women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear, that's a good show. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't really seen it since I was a kid. It's
Speaker 1: like kind of a haze. I just remember that's Delta Burke, right,
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, I don't know. I remember I
Speaker 1: had like a line of clothing at Kmart and I
Speaker 1: thought that was like peak fashion. I still actively wear
Speaker 1: a lot of Like I got really into the Miley
Speaker 1: Cyrus Walmart line in high school because it was like
Speaker 1: trendy but also affordable. And I still have a lot
Speaker 1: of Miley tanks. How many pieces do you have? I
Speaker 1: have like from the Miley collection and saying I still
Speaker 1: rotate out three or four just basic tanks. Wait, it's
Speaker 1: like that, whatever Camies, what happened to all the Camees?
Speaker 1: Where did they go? We need we need a Camey cameo,
Speaker 1: oh no, what a horrible joke. Okay, um, remember that
Speaker 1: scene where Posh is talking to a person who I
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, and she's like, what do
Speaker 1: you how do you feel about ment to raise? And
Speaker 1: she is like, I think he's great. I'm wearing it
Speaker 1: mental ray shoes right now. Some of my other favorite jokes,
Speaker 1: because I just had to write them down and I
Speaker 1: must share them with you now is Deborah and Clifford
Speaker 1: or in a bar and Deborah is like, famous, such
Speaker 1: a fickle thing. And then she orders a drink from
Speaker 1: the bartender and he turns around and it's Elvis Costello
Speaker 1: and then she goes, just a minute, can you make
Speaker 1: that a double? This avie is so funny, It's really funny.
Speaker 1: It was nominated for literally every Razzie possible, but I
Speaker 1: don't even win. I don't think that they Yeah, what
Speaker 1: move didn't win for being the worst? It didn't even
Speaker 1: it didn't even win for being um Ebert's least favorite.
Speaker 1: That distinction ended up going to Armageddon. Oh that's he
Speaker 1: does suck, So yeah, my mom was so horny for
Speaker 1: that movie for sure. My dad kind of low key crying.
Speaker 1: He cried during Like, there's two movies where I remember
Speaker 1: as a kid my dad cried. One is Arming Adam
Speaker 1: and the other is Adam Sandler's big Daddy in the
Speaker 1: courtroom scene that is kind of a sad scene. My
Speaker 1: mom gave me romantic advice ones based off of Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler's Click for real. I was going through a dark
Speaker 1: hour of the soul. I forget which one, but it
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago, and she was just like,
Speaker 1: maybe it's kind of like and I saw this movie
Speaker 1: recently called Click, because she said it like I didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was. I saw this movie recently called Click,
Speaker 1: and there's a part at the end where he's talking
Speaker 1: to his father and like he wishes there were so
Speaker 1: many things that he had said and then he didn't
Speaker 1: and then he lives, Like you can't really go back.
Speaker 1: You can't really just rewind as like, Mom, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. There's not really a remote control on your life.
Speaker 1: That's a good point that Jamie. I never thought of
Speaker 1: that before. I didn't realize. My mom had a similar
Speaker 1: epiphany with Queen Latifa's last holiday. She was like, you
Speaker 1: gotta live in the now. You're so worried all the time, honey,
Speaker 1: is that the one where she thinks she's dying she
Speaker 1: gets like a weird cat scan or am I travels
Speaker 1: the world or something? Is Steve Martin and that one
Speaker 1: there's there's that down the house. God, there's such a
Speaker 1: weird stretch of Steve Martin movies and the odds where
Speaker 1: like I'll be in a movie with anybody, a bunch
Speaker 1: of dogs, a bunch of babies, anything, ones, I could
Speaker 1: bring my banjo on set. Steve. Okay, Steve Martin, he
Speaker 1: should have been in this movie. Needs to stop playing
Speaker 1: the banjo. I'm calling him out and saying he's in
Speaker 1: a classy way. I'm like, so over. I saw him
Speaker 1: play the banjo on Accident a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, I was well. I
Speaker 1: was working in radio at the time, and he and
Speaker 1: they were like, we have a surprise guest. I'm like, oh, cool,
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be someone that I like, and and then
Speaker 1: it was like Steve Martin. I was like, I love
Speaker 1: Steve Martin's comedy. And then they're like, but tonight he's
Speaker 1: just playing in the banjo. I was like, fuck off,
Speaker 1: Like what are you? How did some monkeys pot scenario.
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, guys, great news. We have Steve Martin.
Speaker 1: You know that I'm really good at this. Watch me
Speaker 1: do something else, and like how just hold hold up?
Speaker 1: His rep says he'll only come if he does the band.
Speaker 1: He would only goddamnit, we need him that he'll only
Speaker 1: play with I think he released an album with Paula
Speaker 1: McCartney's ex wife. Steve Martin, you're unnoticed. They were in
Speaker 1: the Hams. In the conversation struck up and you do
Speaker 1: funny things only you make me laugh, you little monkey.
Speaker 1: Put down the banjo. I don't want to read your novels.
Speaker 1: I don't want to read your not I didn't read
Speaker 1: shop Girl, though shop Girl is good. Then he wrote
Speaker 1: that one about the art world. That's like sitting on
Speaker 1: my shelf. I'm never going to read it. I'm never
Speaker 1: going to read an object of beauty. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I'm so mad at him for doing things that
Speaker 1: aren't what I want him to do. Now you've awoken
Speaker 1: something in me too. I've been really mad at him
Speaker 1: for some time. I realized, and I hated this episode
Speaker 1: of Spice World. He stuck about he had a he
Speaker 1: had a really good memoir. But even that, now I'm
Speaker 1: just like, well then do that, Like, yeah, Born Standing
Speaker 1: Up is amazing. It's a great book. But it's also like,
Speaker 1: why are you just go just are a joke man?
Speaker 1: Why are you speaking in jokes? Can I share a
Speaker 1: few more of mine? Spice? Thank you? I love I
Speaker 1: like that Roger Moore. Every time you see him in
Speaker 1: a scene, he's holding a different baby, animal or just
Speaker 1: animal in general. There's the scene where I think you
Speaker 1: see the Spice girls like rehearsing for the concert is
Speaker 1: kind of early on, and someone goes, that's absolutely perfect
Speaker 1: without it actually being any good, an amazing line. I
Speaker 1: wish I had written that that's a great summation of
Speaker 1: the Spice without being good at all. Clifford at one
Speaker 1: point says, oh, it's when they want to go and
Speaker 1: like play around on the boat, and he's like, if
Speaker 1: they wanted to be spontaneous, they need to clear it
Speaker 1: with me. First funny line. Funny, it's great and the
Speaker 1: movie is full of these. It's a fucking funny movie
Speaker 1: out don't tell me otherwise. And if you like this movie,
Speaker 1: or if you don't, I still recommend a similar movie
Speaker 1: called Josie and the Pussycat. The Pussycats is amazing good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry for that voice, I think, Yeah, I think you're
Speaker 1: really talking about the cheeseburst. Let the listener overdose in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I can't, I can't do this. Jamie just
Speaker 1: pulled a half eaten cheeseburger out of some spoil from
Speaker 1: like full two and a half hours. Oh man, alright,
Speaker 1: choking on that. I'm going to say a few other
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to mention. I liked it. None
Speaker 1: of the drama in this movie derives from issues between
Speaker 1: the band or like with the girls themselves, because like
Speaker 1: a very common like trope or just an easy direction.
Speaker 1: They could have taken this in as, oh, they're not
Speaker 1: getting along, they're mad at each other, but they're never
Speaker 1: like They're always like on the same page. They're always
Speaker 1: getting along, which hey, maybe that doesn't make for a
Speaker 1: great movie with a central conflict. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I just like that because often if you have like
Speaker 1: a group of women, you see them on the screen
Speaker 1: portrayed as being they're in competition with each other, and
Speaker 1: Caddy and Petty towards each other very is so noncompetitive
Speaker 1: to the point where it's just like they're all the
Speaker 1: same person, Like they're all the same dumb person to
Speaker 1: the point where it's like, oh yeah, even though these
Speaker 1: male antagonists are I mean, that's the only reason they exist.
Speaker 1: And that's also unfortunately true in real life where that
Speaker 1: guy named Simon who's not Simon Cowell but no Simon
Speaker 1: Cowell that created the X factor, uh like created the
Speaker 1: Spice Girls and his weird sex lab or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it is funny that, like
Speaker 1: we are to believe in the mythology of this movie
Speaker 1: that the Spice Girls have known each other since childhood
Speaker 1: and they used to hang out in the cafe when
Speaker 1: they were waiting full record deal different ages and like
Speaker 1: creations of science basically like did you know the Spice
Speaker 1: Girls literally had to go to like camp to become
Speaker 1: the Spice Girls, Like there was a there was a
Speaker 1: re education camp. It was like a definite full brainwash,
Speaker 1: like they're not I mean, not that dramatic, but they
Speaker 1: went to fucking camp to become popster, which also happens
Speaker 1: in Korea. And it's really interesting and there's a really
Speaker 1: good show about it on Netflix. I'll tell you about
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is really good. It's really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that was like a nineties thing that's like still happening.
Speaker 1: It's still happening in Korea, and it's they rotate them
Speaker 1: out by your It's very weird, but also like what
Speaker 1: an amazing gift. Yeah, but like I agree, Citland, I
Speaker 1: like I kind of like that they weren't in competition
Speaker 1: with each other and that there wasn't like every other
Speaker 1: Muppets movie where they all have to break up and
Speaker 1: come together. That part is always really sad. I hate
Speaker 1: when the Muppets break up and I have to come
Speaker 1: back together. There's a lot. It takes up a lot
Speaker 1: of the end of the second age the Cheetah Girls too,
Speaker 1: not the Cheetah Girls to the one where they go
Speaker 1: to Barcelona, the Cheetah Girls as well. Right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean in this movie, they don't really break up, but
Speaker 1: they all kind of like go off and separate, but
Speaker 1: not because they're having like an internal conflict, but because
Speaker 1: they're at the mercy of other people demanding this schedule
Speaker 1: of them, and they're like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to do that. We just want all we want
Speaker 1: is to just be able to respect ourselves and and
Speaker 1: hang out with our friends, especially when they're about to
Speaker 1: have a baby. Yeah, I like that they take her.
Speaker 1: They take Nicola, the pregnant friend to the discotheque. And
Speaker 1: also I guess it's a gay bar. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of drag queens there and they're
Speaker 1: just like also just mess shirts and like go go stop,
Speaker 1: bring backsh already. I love Mesh. We're ready. Like it's
Speaker 1: hard to find sometimes, I thought like it would be
Speaker 1: cool to own more Mesh. Let's go to eBay where
Speaker 1: we gonna find it. Yeah, it's hard to get those
Speaker 1: laundry bags and just cut some holes. Good idea. We're
Speaker 1: just like bast just where I bought a basketball penny
Speaker 1: once to wear under overalls. So just like maybe the
Speaker 1: most the poorest fashion choices I've ever made. But I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm at Bonnaroo, I'm going to get a
Speaker 1: Mesh shirt. And overall George's that is very There's some
Speaker 1: there's some great pictures of me in front of mushroom
Speaker 1: fountains wearing this brilliant outfit created at the Walmart across
Speaker 1: the street from Bonaroo. Please tell me I'd read the
Speaker 1: novel of Walmart across the street from Bao. What is
Speaker 1: it like working there for one week out of the year, Well,
Speaker 1: Spice World. Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie?
Speaker 1: I still love it that scene where they like flashback
Speaker 1: to like their early days, would want to be there,
Speaker 1: like singing along to their own song in that cafe.
Speaker 1: I got legitmate nostal check about it. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: missing about it right now. And then I was like, oh, ship, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do have a connection to this movie. It's not
Speaker 1: just like a weird memory I have. What was I
Speaker 1: gonna say about Spice Cross. Oh yeah, they're a product
Speaker 1: of men, but they pretend to be empowered and they
Speaker 1: sort of are. But are they just too stupid? Like
Speaker 1: we don't there are a bunch of real science creations
Speaker 1: they do. Women in stem created them? Who knows that?
Speaker 1: But guy Simon created them? Yeah, I guess it's a
Speaker 1: I mean it's this movie is so much fucking fun
Speaker 1: and it could not have existed in like this other
Speaker 1: than this span of ten days. Would it have made sense?
Speaker 1: I love that when the bus makes the jump and
Speaker 1: it clearly just switched just to like a miniature toy
Speaker 1: set of a bus jumping from like it's so I
Speaker 1: love those things. I still geek out over like the
Speaker 1: practical effect gag. It's like and it's like surprisingly a
Speaker 1: self aware movie. It is it realizes there's a problem,
Speaker 1: but they have no intention to fix it. So here's
Speaker 1: some goofs right right, there's Spice Girls songs, Like, here's
Speaker 1: a lot of like Spice Girls B side songs. And
Speaker 1: also I wanted to say that that there's such a
Speaker 1: seventies vibe to this whole movie, especially in the opening
Speaker 1: segment where it's like, you know but and I guess
Speaker 1: the reason that is or like part of the reason
Speaker 1: that was sort of amped up in post production was
Speaker 1: because this is the same year that Austin Powers came out.
Speaker 1: That's right. So the seventies were hot and a mess.
Speaker 1: It was like seventies should never be in fashion, and
Speaker 1: there it was a gross decade. I thought I was there.
Speaker 1: I should know. First of all, I just want to
Speaker 1: apologize to our listeners for our bad attempts at British accents.
Speaker 1: Number one, sorry, number two, sorry number two. I want
Speaker 1: to shout out my good friend British Martha, whom I
Speaker 1: call it British Martha to her face, Sorry Marsha, Martha,
Speaker 1: what not the whatly? We're so sorry, so so sorry,
Speaker 1: so sorry. And three were good feel like an east
Speaker 1: End there's sporty spice she has like a Oh. Speaking
Speaker 1: of British, Caitlin Durante went at a bar will order
Speaker 1: a drink as if she were all over twist. The
Speaker 1: other night we were in a par together. Thank you
Speaker 1: said excuse me? Could I trouble you for a glass
Speaker 1: of wine? And the bar the bartender or maybe it
Speaker 1: was water water? Can I trouble you for some water?
Speaker 1: It was Lisa, may I have some water? Like she
Speaker 1: was asking for gruel. It was amazing. I always the
Speaker 1: same thing, though, because these bartenders are super intimidating out here.
Speaker 1: I just inhale, I go, well, can you please get
Speaker 1: I always phrase it like that when I'm asking for
Speaker 1: water because I'm not giving them any money. I'm probably
Speaker 1: not even going to take them for a water. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person. I don't know, but I always
Speaker 1: say can I trouble you for some water? Because I
Speaker 1: know it's like an annoying thing and they're not going
Speaker 1: to make any money off it. If I'm ordering an
Speaker 1: actual drink, I say pizza. I want gin and tonic
Speaker 1: and bloody blading. My father died of consumption and I
Speaker 1: got full pen to give me some Jimmie Dodges. I
Speaker 1: won't currently Wally. Oh, my uncle killed themselves after the
Speaker 1: business went bused. There's a rubbish. There's a rubbish. There
Speaker 1: is a rubbish. Cheese bacon has got off and you
Speaker 1: gotta chuck it in the bin is what I need
Speaker 1: to do apologize for. Yes, British Martha, I love you
Speaker 1: so much. I miss you every day. She's still alive.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone British. Yeah, A moment of silence,
Speaker 1: My British. The British people are normally acquaintances, so I
Speaker 1: feel weird addressing, though I understand we count all the
Speaker 1: uncle enough to have a British like a friend, like
Speaker 1: a British friend, you know. Man. Anyway, let's talk about
Speaker 1: whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test. But
Speaker 1: guess what it does, Like super does. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's aggressively proving to you that it does, and every
Speaker 1: second without saying it, because I don't think I think
Speaker 1: this predates the beck they'll test by like a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I think late nineties. I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, I'm not sure when I brought Yeah.
Speaker 1: In most scenes, I would say that at least the
Speaker 1: girls are in they are talking to each other about
Speaker 1: not a man. In fact, there's a scene where Alan Cumming,
Speaker 1: who is making the documentary about them, is sort of
Speaker 1: interviewing them and he's like, do you have any time
Speaker 1: for boys? And Sporty goes boys doesn't ring a bell,
Speaker 1: and then Scary says, with boys, you should just be
Speaker 1: able to wheel them in. And then they're there and
Speaker 1: that's it. And then Baby says yeah, and order them
Speaker 1: like a pizza, and Posh is like, yeah, I'll have
Speaker 1: a deep pen six foot green eye paralleaf It like
Speaker 1: there there's an opportunity for them to be talking about men,
Speaker 1: and they're just making of it. They're like boys growth
Speaker 1: and there's no and like and and this sort of
Speaker 1: factors into like the weird portrayal of motherhood in this movie,
Speaker 1: where they're so happy for their friend, but then they
Speaker 1: picture motherhood is being kind of gross and unappealing and
Speaker 1: like as a robbery of their independence. And I think
Speaker 1: that that sort of extends to their attitude towards men
Speaker 1: of like they view relationships and men is sort of
Speaker 1: a way of robbing their independence, which is interesting for
Speaker 1: scientific aliens created by name Simon. It's complicated also that
Speaker 1: the Betel test was first introduced in eighty five, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't like popularly referenced until maybe early two thousands, right,
Speaker 1: that was that was thirty years or more ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you haven't read it, dikes to watch out for.
Speaker 1: It's very good comic and there they are collected and
Speaker 1: you should read them. Yeah, oh my god, it's just
Speaker 1: like so filtered through the male gaze at there's so
Speaker 1: many opportunities that they create to talk about it and said,
Speaker 1: it's just like they talk about looks again, and they
Speaker 1: don't really talk about like the system itself. So it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's a lot of girls just being
Speaker 1: girls and there's fluffy fun happening, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like real stuff that they could talk about the
Speaker 1: very ignoring So as an adult, that's very unsatisfying. It's
Speaker 1: very like watered down quote unquote feminism absolutely like the
Speaker 1: most water done. It could be very sexy, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's that scene where I think it's posh is
Speaker 1: like I had I had a nightmare that I had
Speaker 1: a head but there was no makeup on it, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like disgust, like yeah, and that her I like
Speaker 1: legitimately felt bad when I want and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I should go my lip glass. Don't fall
Speaker 1: into their trap. That's what they want you to do.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I bought a lip glass. Sorry, it
Speaker 1: was a wet and wild. It was a wet wild,
Speaker 1: a false alarm. It was a wet wild. That's my
Speaker 1: nickname from my vagina. Min'd still the sand lot mine.
Speaker 1: I was going to say in our sand lat episode
Speaker 1: was the cave from Aladdin. That's the don't touch anything
Speaker 1: it laps and then you'll be trapped inside and you'll
Speaker 1: have to wish your way out. That's exactly how it were.
Speaker 1: Do you have a genie living in your uters? Because
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, but it doesn't work for me. It
Speaker 1: works for whoever's trapped in there, right, But at the
Speaker 1: end you have to wish him free. And then I
Speaker 1: clim X when you wish the genie free, Only then
Speaker 1: can I come a true act of altruism where I
Speaker 1: killed myself is oh anyway, yeah, the movie again, you know,
Speaker 1: they're talking to each other, oftentimes about fashion or scopes
Speaker 1: or other not important things. There's no grade level here.
Speaker 1: It's past fail because it's like a D like honestly,
Speaker 1: but past fail, so it passes. Hey, speaking of grades,
Speaker 1: we rate the movie based on its portrayal of the
Speaker 1: women in the movie. We have a nipple scale zero
Speaker 1: to five nipples. We can describe those nipples if we
Speaker 1: so choose. I'm really thinking about this, Um, I think
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it like a two and a
Speaker 1: half nipples. Okay, yeah, for a moment I thought three,
Speaker 1: but it's like a little too high. The movie doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense, let's be honest. But okay, So, like one
Speaker 1: of them is like a little baby nipple, like really
Speaker 1: it's like a very like it's like the size of
Speaker 1: a quarter and it's really pink. And then the other
Speaker 1: is like like a classic nipple, like a little brown
Speaker 1: protrudes a little bit. Yeah, and the half nipple is
Speaker 1: like one with a really like large areola. Good good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll give it two and a half as well. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a I wouldn't even say that this movie's heart
Speaker 1: is in the right place, because I don't think it
Speaker 1: has a hard Is it in the right place? Um?
Speaker 1: But I you know, I think it made little girls
Speaker 1: feel good even when they didn't realize it was probably
Speaker 1: hurting them a little bit. So it's a it's a
Speaker 1: tricky gray area where it's like I'm never gonna discredit
Speaker 1: like go palette, like that's a great phrase. But also
Speaker 1: when you're being pedaled merch the whole time time, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: that said, the movie has been forgotten and doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. So at the end of the day, who
Speaker 1: you know who am I? I am just a cyborg
Speaker 1: created by a man named Simon, So I don't really
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying at all. You are about a hologram.
Speaker 1: I am a hologram. I'm a hologram some some never mind,
Speaker 1: please buy my sound chat. Yeah, I'm gonna give it.
Speaker 1: I guess two nipples. Two and a half of my
Speaker 1: nipples are Alan Cummings. You know, Alan Cumming has like
Speaker 1: an extra an extra half pocket. It's in my pocket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would give it to nipples. Although a thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to say that I did before is that oftentimes
Speaker 1: in a comedy movie, a lot of the funny lines
Speaker 1: are being delivered by not women. So I like that
Speaker 1: the women in this movie have a bunch of funny
Speaker 1: scenes and lines and jokes. At some point, I agree,
Speaker 1: even if they didn't write them themselves, right, who knows
Speaker 1: trues it to deliver a joke. Movie was written by
Speaker 1: a woman named Kim Fuller, plus two other people who
Speaker 1: have received three cents and royalties every time the movie
Speaker 1: airs on free Form, which is a legal stream. That
Speaker 1: I found was something that had been aired on free form,
Speaker 1: So shout out to my free form heads out there.
Speaker 1: I've never watched freeform. Right, you can take this part out.
Speaker 1: This is bad. This is about networking. I'm going to
Speaker 1: get blackall industry between like actually and Mary Kate movie.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to start freeform beef.
Speaker 1: I can't afform more beef in my life. That's a
Speaker 1: thick slab off. I don't have any more room, all right, good,
Speaker 1: good good. That's where I keep all my conflict and
Speaker 1: also my beef. Men. Yeah, two nipples. I'll give it again.
Speaker 1: Any mention of like feminism and girl power and stuff
Speaker 1: like that is very watered down. It's not really substantiated
Speaker 1: by anything. Even so, it's a it's a fun movie.
Speaker 1: Um it's like we said, doesn't make any sense. I
Speaker 1: don't really mind that, even though I do have a
Speaker 1: master's degree in screenwriting, which I hate to bring up,
Speaker 1: but um, that does it. It's still it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fun watch. I'd recommend it if you just want
Speaker 1: like some kind of mindless fun. That and again, Josie
Speaker 1: and the Pussycats love that movie. I like Josie a lot.
Speaker 1: That's a really good movie. The nipples belong to that.
Speaker 1: That that's a good one. He loves snips, love snips
Speaker 1: at the bast rally her beef. You have your beef?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get your beef? Girl? No one has
Speaker 1: ever specified weather meat loafs made of beef or like
Speaker 1: some other meat processed. Yeah. I feel like he's a
Speaker 1: combo of something. He's like a bunch of hand sandwich
Speaker 1: is putting a blender. Oh man, that's a really good album.
Speaker 1: Me and my dad used to listen to it in
Speaker 1: the car. There's a song about making out at the movies,
Speaker 1: and then my dad and I would make you would
Speaker 1: like I like that. Mike's her lemonade. I like the
Speaker 1: meat Loaf in the movie says I would do anything
Speaker 1: for those girls, but I won't do that talking about
Speaker 1: fixing the bathrooms, and I did not trees it's so healthy.
Speaker 1: I did not know that that was meat Loaf until
Speaker 1: I was watching the credits. Meat Loaf as Benny the
Speaker 1: Best Driver, such a talented act. Like I know that
Speaker 1: that sounds like a hilarious joke, but he's really good
Speaker 1: and rocky horror. He does his best with what he's
Speaker 1: given in Spice World, and he's really good in Fight Club.
Speaker 1: Beat Loaf is a great actor. Don't remembering he's in
Speaker 1: the support group. He's like the bigger he's the beefcake.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I also he brings the beef in
Speaker 1: Fight Club. He should have been in the Wrestler. He
Speaker 1: should have been one of the like down and out
Speaker 1: wrestlers in that. Yeah, Mickey work didn't deserve a comeback.
Speaker 1: Give meat Loaf back revisionist history. If he had gotten
Speaker 1: into the wrestler, that could have been like a whole resurgence.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have to be on the Celebrity Apprentice's I
Speaker 1: need to find him. I could fix him. I could
Speaker 1: Fix Me Podcast? Where's he a? Let me at him?
Speaker 1: Missing neat loof mydcast. He's old. Oh it might be
Speaker 1: too late to fix him. He's sixty nine. Oh shit,
Speaker 1: perfect age. It's true. It's way older than I thought
Speaker 1: he was. Like I was ten years off. I know.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's the horny age baby. Hey, Amanda,
Speaker 1: where can people find online? I forgot what you're doing
Speaker 1: a podcast? I think we all Yeah, okay, great, I
Speaker 1: had these totems and everything. I'm looking at these dolls.
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting where I am like, Yeah, this is I'm
Speaker 1: spinning my sporty spy still new and box still im back?
Speaker 1: Oh no, it is it going to tip over or not?
Speaker 1: And then Juno's in it too black those credits we
Speaker 1: don't see whether it's lands or not. What a film?
Speaker 1: Just kidding. It's fine. You can find I'm at a
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Speaker 1: what do you want to plug anything? I'd like to plug.
Speaker 1: I'm working on a project right now, and it's like
Speaker 1: I still can't really talk about it that much, but
Speaker 1: it is in relation to Meet Love's come back, so
Speaker 1: I'm also involved in this. I can't like. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are all very and like Aristotle's kind of in charge
Speaker 1: of it. But anyways, you know, as we know Bat
Speaker 1: out of Hell, Bad at of Hell, to Back to Hell,
Speaker 1: which is also an album, and also apparently Bad out
Speaker 1: of Hell three, the monster is loose. So right now
Speaker 1: we're we're going on Bad at Hell four, back to
Speaker 1: back into Hell, and we're calling back to bat Hell
Speaker 1: too because that was our favorite bat at of Hell.
Speaker 1: But if it's there and back again, a back to
Speaker 1: Hell story, back to Hell story of the Bat out
Speaker 1: of Hell right and we're doing him in time for
Speaker 1: meat Loaf's seventieth birthday this year, we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a rush order and then I'm going to write
Speaker 1: him an indie sleeper um that people won't see but
Speaker 1: when he dies, so I'll be like, hey, that was
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. I'm also I'm producing the motion comic
Speaker 1: that ties into the movie. Anyway, if you want to
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Speaker 1: if you're on the Los Angeles area, you can come
Speaker 1: to my monthly live show called Luck of the Track
Speaker 1: at Nerd Melts first Friday of the month. Also, we
Speaker 1: just want to thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: It's been a blast. What a fun episode. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun here, you guys. This was one
Speaker 1: of our wilder episodes. I love when we just get
Speaker 1: loose and celebrate. Up. Pala girl, Pala. Sorry I messed
Speaker 1: up the inflection. We all have done a very bad
Speaker 1: job with the British act. At the end of this podcast,
Speaker 1: we're all going to go out and shop for a
Speaker 1: lip shaped couch and we're gonna get on it together
Speaker 1: and talk about astrology. I'm going to get a swing
Speaker 1: to put in my bus. I love on the doors
Speaker 1: to their bus it said max capacity five girls. I
Speaker 1: love that. Oh my god, it's very Do you think
Speaker 1: that Aristotle will get a presidential Medal of Honor someday
Speaker 1: for sitting? Yes? I think he's going to get like
Speaker 1: a purple heart too, just because like it's the emotional
Speaker 1: damage that we're inflicting upon him, is it's like combat's
Speaker 1: enduring him, if not worse. Alright, well, it's been great.
Speaker 1: It's been a groovy baby. That was Austin Powers until
Speaker 1: next time. Goodbye bye, goodbye, bye bye bye bye. Could
Speaker 1: I trouble you? FISTI water