WEBVTT - Spice World with Amanda Meadows 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.480 On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.120 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.000 husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy and best 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:17.000 start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.560 to the Bechtel Cast. I'm Caitlin, I'm Jamie, and we're 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.799 here to talk about movies, specifically what women. Yeah, the 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.600 portrayal of women. The portrayal of women. What are they like? 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.600 What are they like? Do they get? Oh? Here's the test. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.080 Are there two women in the movie who are speaking 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:34.839 to each other about something other than a man? Do 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:39.280 they have names? We want to know Ideally they do? 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.240 Ideally yes, And that, my friends, is the Bechtel Test 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:55.400 created Bye Joey Bechtel, Bobby Bechtel, the second Mr Bobby Beckdel. Yeah, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.480 so that's what this podcast is about. And we're going 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.880 to talk about a movie as we do every single time. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.480 We're so excited for this episode. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Um, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.959 let's just jump right in and introduce our guests. She 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.960 is the best. She's so funny. She is a best 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.920 selling author and she co runs Devastating or Press on 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:23.040 a Los Angeles it man meadows. Oh my god, that 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.119 was a great intro. No information about me, but like, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.080 I know I've been to your home. You know what. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.120 That's right, You've a lovely home. By the way, Well, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.000 thank you, Amanda. Fun fact about Amanda, She's got a 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.640 Charlie Brown poster in her bathroom. Yes, and it's from 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.320 the movie everyone forgets about. I'd never heard of it. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.200 I had to look it up. After Charlie Brown. They 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.240 go to France, they stay in the countryside, there's great stuff. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.840 A house is on fire. Whose idea plane? It's great? 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.520 Is the French Tourism board responsible for the absolutely let's 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.520 bring beloved American characters, you know, just to rants, just 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.080 to like make it an appealing to to the younger set. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.600 My dad has a weird amount of spite for France. Really, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.400 he calls everything that he thinks rich people do French. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.359 One time he called me and he was like where 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.160 are you And I was like, I'm in a Starbucks 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.919 and he was like, what are you French? Wait? Was 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.760 he one of those people who like, like, instead of 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.440 calling them French fries, he'd call them freedom fries. No. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.000 I think he just like decided that French was a 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:29.720 synonym for bougie, which does, which does? Which makes sense 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.560 if you view French people as like bread carrying cartoon characters. Right. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.800 I had an idea for a sketch that I wanted 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.040 to perform once where it would just be like a 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.920 quick blackout sketch, but it would be Jack from Titanic 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:49.560 and Rose or some woman. And the woman would say, Jack, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:50.920 I want you to draw me like one of your 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.799 French girls. And she takes off a robe and it's 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.960 just like her, with like a beret and like a 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.400 striped shirt, with like a little red hand, like smoking 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.800 a cigarette and holding a bag a t great, I 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.760 love it, I'm in give me. Can it also be 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:10.760 the caffee Baits character? Oh yeah, Molly sinkable Molly Branch, Yes, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.360 like so very unsinkable. Hey, what movie we're talking about today? 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:20.959 I don't know. I said that we're talking about We 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.000 just talk about Titanic. Ackat, No, we're not talking man. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.639 Well if I know that, that's what we always want 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.919 to do. Okay, this is the same eraboh true, same 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.160 year because the movie we're talking about is Spice World. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.840 That's a yas queen. Yeah, this is kind of a 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.960 yas Queen kind of movie. It's super is excuse my shouting. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:50.440 I have a Mike's Hard lemonade. It's a harder. I 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.600 has a lightning bowl over the r we. Yeah, it's 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.360 wild serious. If you want to get crazy, you're gonna 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.920 want to funk with this lemonade. Does that mean it's 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.960 a higher alcohol content than a regular mix hard? Yeah, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.520 it's it's actually kind of ridiculous. Yeah. It says warning 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.600 next to it too, it says warning contains alcohol. Yeah, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.320 I'm not ready. Just in case I'm not ready, because 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.800 it looks like a kind of like juice, which is 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.599 essentially where it is just like riddled with alcohol. Also, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.920 when you smell it, it's it smells like the love 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:27.080 Spell body spray from Victorious. Remember this candy sticky sweet? Yeah, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.279 it's like it's it's I wouldn't say it's good, but 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.919 I would say that I have it a lot, that 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:40.760 it is peak drinkable, consumable. Love it. Yeah, and all 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:46.400 the bliss points. Give some snack food lingo, some inside 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.960 snack food business lingo. Do you know someone in the biz? 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.640 I just read an except an excerpt from that book 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.520 about bliss points, about like, how like Freedola like designs 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.159 tastes to be like peak salt, peak sugar. That sounds 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.120 really good. Yeah, I bet the Mike's Harder people develop 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:12.320 their product using sheer intuition. They're like, we know, like, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:17.960 but how does it feel? How does a Mike's Hard 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.559 lemonade of twelve year olds? Yeah? I have this kid's 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.520 how does it feel? I want to be a part 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.280 of them's hard focus group? Like what would it be? Like? 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.000 There's there's a bad sketch that I could write Mike's 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.880 Hard focus group. It's a little bit harder than your 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:43.560 regular bug. I'd buy it. I'll pay you a bunch 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.559 of money. Do you want to buy my sketch? Let's 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.360 do it. Let's go back in time, spitch it to 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.919 funnier name in two thousand nine. Yeah, I'd be like, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.840 give me a give me a be selep any b 0:05:54.000 --> 0:06:01.880 selep be in my sketch? That is bad? Whoa sick? Ross? Jamie? 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.960 So we're talking about spice World and said that, well, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.840 yeah we did, but that we immediately got off topic. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.760 And I prepared for such an eventuality. I brought us 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.680 all physical totems to remind us that we're talking about 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:24.040 Spice World. Yeah, so I actually really really no. Lie 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.400 bought these two two and a half years ago at 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.760 a ninine cent story. I have these three inch mini 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.680 figurines of four of the Spice Girls. Let's see. We've 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.520 got baby here, we got sporty, We've got your posh 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.680 she's in some kind of bikini, doesn't look that posh? 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.440 And scary Spice who's in some kind of cow themed 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.120 get ups. Animal prints. Yeah, she loves her animal prints. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.720 That's what makes her scary, not that she's black. How 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.520 do we feel one? I mean, are we addressing was 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.080 problematic in this movie? Or was problematic about the Spice 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.200 Girls as an entity? I think it's an entity because, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.960 like the movie is actually not that offensive, it's just 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.000 kind of bad. Yeah, so tell us about, like, when 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.400 when did you first see this? What's your history with 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.160 this movie? Let's see, so I like, I immediately love 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.240 the Spice Girls. I was the right age. I think 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.160 I was like in fifth grade when I Wannabe came 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.520 out and yeah, it was just like me and the 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.320 girls at school just figuring out which Spice Girl we're 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.320 going to be. It was pretty obvious for me, but 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.480 I got to sit and watch everyone else argue about 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.120 whether they were baby or posh, so that was fun. Um, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.480 and I loved the first album. Um. I never got 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.320 to see them live, but I did see Spice World 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:45.480 in theaters and I hadn't seen it since uh last night, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.920 and today I watched a bunch of clips in random order, 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.280 which is kind of like watching them anyway. Yeah, it 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.119 was probably closer to real order than I think. But yeah, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:02.000 it's just a crazy, mad cap like Monkey's style adventure 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.880 and and uh, you know, it did seem kind of 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.240 feminist when I was a kid. Now it's like it 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.640 almost feels like it was before it's time, because it 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.240 was like kind of ironically feminist. Um, I feel like 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.320 they weren't trying, but it somehow ended up still. It 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:29.400 was like weird corporate feminist. It's a very like neoliberal capitalist. Yeah, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:34.480 girl power, they say, wonder if they were getting money 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.480 for so much like girl power because this is something 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.280 we can put on an eardescent sticker. The little girls 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.080 will die. So many shirts that girl power. When I 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.000 was little and they were all pink. Yeah yeah, like 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.720 I I there was the little like crop top with 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.319 the with the shoulder like the caps leave that said 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.360 boys lie and there's like an eardescent print. Like there 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.080 was this girl who wore it like every other day 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.839 at school. It was like its like a spice girl. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.160 Let's stop like graphic t stories. I had my fifth 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.640 grade school picture. Um um, I have braces. And I 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.800 used to love getting corn rows, which is like weird. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.960 And I used to love getting corn rows. That was, yeah, 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.000 what you do the butterfly clips? I did the butterfly clips, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:27.640 and in this particular is a specific genre of corn row, right, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.200 I mean it was. It still looked a little bit off, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.360 but I was wearing a yeah it was. It was. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.880 It was very poor neighborhood and Massa jees, we all 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.080 had corn rows. It was a different time. Anyways, I'm 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.920 wearing a T shirt that says too young for Ashton's. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.240 Oh I remember those shirts. Yeah, you get him a 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.720 Macy's and my aunt got it for me. I didn't 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:55.480 need to too young for Ashton isn't like yeah, because 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.240 he was on show. He was on first name basis, 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:04.560 like fame in the early ots like do Where's My Car? Show? Yeah, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.199 I remember that I was a little too old from 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.640 at that point, and it said too young for Ashton, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:15.720 as if to say, but I recognize I'm too young. Yeah. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.120 It was actually a very progressive shirt or a warning 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:26.920 to Ashton, say he's like, hey, what a cute little 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:36.400 Oh no, she's too young baby, like knee socks lead 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.200 my shirt and too young for you? Too young for you, 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:45.320 but I think you're very handsome. Oh my god. Should 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.880 I'll do the recap of this. I don't know, let's 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.839 do it. I mean, how do you even recap a 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:59.680 movie without a plot? I don't series of I'm winded. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.400 It's not even sketches skits. Yeah, it's not sophisticated enough 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:10.280 to have a sketching sketch. It is ski decidedly skin room. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:17.160 The story focuses on the Spice girls. They all play themselves. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.520 They're already like famous in the movie. They have like 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.720 I guess a manager named Clifford. I'm not entirely sure 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.240 what his job is. And then he has like a 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.800 another person who helps named Debrah. They're kind of like 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.840 keeping the girls on track because they're about to do 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:36.720 a live show in a few days or some amount 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:45.439 of time minutes. The concept of time. It's very Meanwhile, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.679 there is this guy who runs a tabloid magazine and 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.880 he's like, I hate these Spice Girls. People like him 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:56.000 too much. I want different headlines. So he hires this 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.320 like he's so sweaty and everything. He's like, I made 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.920 them again a stroidem and he just covered in flop sweat. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.040 It's like, what is he so stranged? He's it's like 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.199 almost like a j Jonah Jamison, like all I think 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.839 about his Spider Man where he's like, oh, I think 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.400 about is as Spice Girls. He's like a strung out 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:24.280 just like with way lower steaks. So yeah, he hires 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.800 a guy like a photographer to like kind of go 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.480 undercover and like try to dig up some dirt on 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.319 the Spice Girl so that he can start running different headlines. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:40.160 He got the he got the foggy toe sucking picture. Meanwhile, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.439 there are these two other like Hollywood guys who want 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.520 to make a movie about the Spice Girls, so they 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.280 like keep pitching stories to Clifford. So those are like 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.520 some of the subplots. I guess. The main plot is 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.839 just the Spice Girls preparing for this concert, Like they 0:12:54.880 --> 0:13:03.200 go to dance camp or something like and they have 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.840 a friend named Nicola. They have a pregnant and they're 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.439 like trying to support her and her pregnancy, and it's 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.760 just about them having a friendship and being in a 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:19.720 girl band together. It's such a confusing movie, Like every 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.160 part of it, I'm like, do they hate mothers? Do 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.400 they like mothers? Do they? Because they they're like, we're 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.960 so happy for you, and then right, and then they're 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.319 like if we were mothers, we'd be fat and boring. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:42.360 And then you see that long, admittedly great skit about babies, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.800 like how many babies do I have? Again? Right, this 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.600 movie is there's like all these like dream sequence slash 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:54.640 weird flash forward type things sprinkled throughout, and then at 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.280 the end it's revealed it's been a movie the whole time. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.560 This movie is so met Yeah, it's crazy. It has 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.960 a thinker thinker. There's like this it's a mad, mad, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.000 mad mad world feeling where there's like all of these 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.800 different camps and people going after the Spice girls, but 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.360 they don't give you enough time to understand what they're like. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.160 Angles aren't necessarily There's also the two screenwriters who are 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.480 like trying to like pitch a movie and then there's 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.640 like Alan Cummings in it forgot about Oh my god, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:29.280 and I forget Yeah, he's trying to make a documentary 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.480 about them. First of all, let me say, why are 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:36.240 so many antagonists? But none of them are even like 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.960 all that bad. They're just like comically, Yeah, they do 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.920 the concert. Everyone loves them. First of all, let me say, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.280 I would totally have sex with Alan Cumming. Oh my god, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.280 he's such as a hard note for me. Yeah, I'm 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.920 super surprised we do not have the same taste in men. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.000 We That's like the best part of like a solid 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.200 friendship is like there's never going to be a clash. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.200 I'm going to take Alfred Molina every time. You're gonna 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.680 take Alan Comming every time. Well, I'll go home happy, Okay, 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:12.440 I'll still take Alfred. Mollie and I had. Paul likes 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.440 like my high end, like queer. He knows a lot. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.120 I can learn a few things. I don't like to 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.280 be taught. I'm like, I'm going to show you how 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:31.800 it's done. I'm Blench devereauh she was, that's our Jamie. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.520 I'm a real blanch. I wish I was a real blanch. 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.560 I'm more of a Dorothy. I think, yeah, me too, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.440 but I want to be a Sophia. She's so funny. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.480 I'm not familiar enough with the show, so I'm just 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.400 gonna call my home. I'm like, really a Raphael from 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.560 the Ninja Turtle. There was crude dude with an attitude. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.840 There's actually a Spice Girls Ninja Turtles connection. I read 0:15:55.120 --> 0:16:00.320 the because I vaguely remembered that Roger Ebert particularly really 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.600 really really hated this movie and like wrote a really 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.160 fun bad review of it where he says, the Spice 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.640 Girls are in paraphrasing, but like they're as easy to 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:16.680 distinguish as the Ninja Turtles, but it doesn't matter because 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.960 none of them have any personality. Like they look very different, 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.400 but they're all the same person It was like interesting 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.480 parallel Saker would disagree. I would too, but I just 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.600 thought it was interesting that he felt so like really 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:39.040 revisited this movie a number of times in specials in books, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.240 like he for someone who disliked this movie, he really 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.120 put some hours into really thinking about it, because it's 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.400 a really interesting failure. Like there's a lot to dissects. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.320 It's like a time capsule. It's like what other point 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:57.360 in time would this be allowed, right, Yeah, just pretty much. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.840 I remember this exact day. This movie is super popular 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.760 when it came out, but it like not that it 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.119 hasn't aged well because I just watched it and I 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.440 enjoyed it, not because it's a good movie. Mostly it's 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.240 just it has great jokes. This is a very funny movie. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.840 I totally forgot. There are a lot of funny moments. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.760 I was telling Jamie before we started recording that, like, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.120 I probably saw this movie for the first time. I 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.320 might have been around when it came out, if not, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.520 maybe a few years later, but I was still you know, young, uh, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.520 you know, early teenager kind of thing, and I totally 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.000 dismissed it as a movie that, like I probably have 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.800 paid attention to it. I was like, oh, I don't 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.399 want I don't I don't really care about the Spice Girls. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:43.000 I was more into Backstreet Boys. I was your favor. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.200 Brian me too. He had a hard condition, which would 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.040 be Brian he did. He was the hot one. No, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.720 Nick Carter was a hot one, but Brian was the 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.000 one who brought a certain something to the table. Brian 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.560 had a really nice jaw line, and that was what 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.879 I liked about he was Kevin's cousin. Kee was the 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.679 old one that was the more square faced dude with 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.719 like the ash brown hair. Right, it's like always just 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.600 like a regular dude with the spiky hair. Yeah. And 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.680 then I remember my mom had a big crush on Kevin, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.639 even the time that he wore the kilt. I know, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:19.120 Keny was killed. And then Howie was the worst of all. 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.760 He's saying that song Spanish Eyes. How he super gross. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:28.600 But a j Vanity came god and he was troubled. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.520 He went to rehab, but he was like, oh about it. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.480 I saw I've told Caitlin this story before. I'm pretty sure, 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.320 but I saw my first back story my first and 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:45.119 last back Street Boys concert the night before nine eleven. Alright, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:49.080 and your mom September ten was part of a simpler 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.440 time because she wanted to see who wasn't Cisco Cisco 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.600 Cisco opened Wow. She I missed part of the concert 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.240 because she wanted to get in line and meet Cisco. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.600 She thought he was a babe. And then and then 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.600 Nick and I had a sign that was like I 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.679 love you Brian anyway. Anyway, So yeah, I saw this 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.399 and not long after I came out, and then I 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.560 like dismissed it as something. I was like, why would 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.640 I want to watch this this this is a dumb 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.400 girl movie. I want to watch Indiana Jones instead, and like, yeah, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.280 I went through cool girls syndrome too. Yeah, I mean, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:30.879 I'm still there. But then but so I rewatched it 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.240 for this episode and then I was like, holy crap. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.280 It was kind of like how I experienced clueless. Like 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.399 the first time, I was like, you know, it's just 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.680 it's just dumb Beverly Hills girls. And then and then 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.880 I forgot that it was like riddled with jokes. There's 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.480 so much comedy in it and clothes and in Spice World. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.040 I saw this movie a little bit. I probably saw 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.359 it like more early two because I was I was 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.800 too young for it when it came out, and so 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.080 I became more acquainted with the Spice Girls kind of 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.280 after they had already sort of gone away. I came 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:10.680 in around S Club seven. My sweet spot is S Club. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:16.920 There ain't nobody like an S Club party. That's about 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.600 where I was at. But I I have seen this 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.760 movie a ton of times, and for some reason, I 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.919 remember being so scandalized by it at the time and 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.080 thinking like, oh my, like I shouldn't be watching this, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.800 like their skirts are so short and they say bra 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.280 But I loved this movie and I still now like 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.200 watch I hadn't seen it in at least ten years, 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.359 and it's so much it's even more fun to watch now. 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.159 It's so good. Yeah, it is a fun movie to 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.520 watch again. I mean, if you're like a budding screenwriter, 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.520 don't take any hints or cues from it on how 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.840 to write a screenplay, because it doesn't do a good 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.080 job with that in terms of like story structure, but 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.520 as far as just like lovable cares and funny jokes, 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.040 it's an enjoyable movie to watch and kind of a 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.160 British tradition two of like there were the Beatles movies 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:12.160 and the in the sixties, and then the were the Monkeys. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.320 They were like they were like making fun of the Beatles, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.960 right right right yeah, and then there's that like kind 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.560 of Benny Hill quality too. There's just like this whole 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.320 like tradition of like British camp. Yeah, and it doesn't 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.480 take it so like literally. My one of my favorite 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.880 parts about the movie is the tagline, which is they 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:37.959 don't just saying that's like I had taglines for the movie. 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.560 There's another one that's like, so you want a revolution, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:47.840 do you? It's like, how does that relution? What happened? 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.879 A bus blows up? I wonder what you mean? I 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.359 wonder like I do wonder, like would this movie be 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.440 incredibly not just confusing, but like not fun to watch 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:03.119 for someone who had not even been sort of alive 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.399 in I count myself as sort of being alive in 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.560 in it. I existed, but I didn't know what things were. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.639 I feel like this is a good window, like timing wise, 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:18.400 like there's a really good double dutch opening for like nostalgia. 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.800 So like if you just go down a tumbler hole 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.520 long enough, you'll, like you'll piece it together from the 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.560 banana clips to the glitter and then the platform shoes, 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.800 and then you'll eventually make it to the Spice girls 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.400 get there and then you and then you'll figure out 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.440 what was going on, and then you'll watch Spice World 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:39.280 and you'll really appreciate it. But it won't be the same, right, Yeah, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:44.719 because it is. It is like peak very specific time 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:49.520 and place. Um, but that's why it's so great. I 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.360 don't know that's why it's fine. Nineties cancer will remember. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.240 I mean I was eleven when the movie came out. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.720 I was like, it's the peak demographic for the Spice 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.200 Girl and this movie. Even so, I was like too busy, 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.639 Like Bank to the Future is my favorite movie. It 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:12.919 still I say that was you also yesterday. I have 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:17.480 not grown much as a person, but have a series 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:23.960 of unfortunate events tattoo and I love it. So no regrets, 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.280 no need to grow. As far as the characters, we 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.400 already kind of went through them. But we've got baby 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:34.040 and sporty and ginger and posh and scary Spice. I 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.240 was gonna ask, how do we feel about the one 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.920 spice girl of color being named scary? I mean, we 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.320 don't feel good about it. It's very on the nose. 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.439 It's like because it wasn't it a tabloid that named 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.240 them those names. It wasn't an official thing. It was 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.800 like they came out and then like I think maybe 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:55.720 it was the Daily Mail or some ship that was 0:23:55.800 --> 0:24:00.919 like reviewing them and called them like blank spice, blank spice. Yeah, 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.879 like that was that was like the media's immediate take 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.600 on the format of the Spice Girls and so it 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:12.200 was just like she's scary. She's just scary, and that stuck. Yeah, 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.160 oh my god. Yeah. So they're basically like, oh, this 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.240 one has red hair, so she's ginger, right, this one 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.560 acts like a baby baby, which is like that's true. Yeah, 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.320 it's like some of them, it's pretty easy to pinpoint. 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:29.200 There's not seen in this movie where Baby is not 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:33.960 actively licking a lollipop through any bit of dialogue. Real 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:38.520 gross dis and like even her like her give like 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.159 they all kind of borrow things, like the baby Spice 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.879 is just so obviously like a harrow Juko girl, Like 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.720 she steals so much from Japanese culture. She literally in 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.639 that scene where they're like, you know, you're gonna say 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.639 hello to the whole world, and she immediately it's like, 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.720 I'm going to take Japan, like right, she says, they're 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:00.680 very it just like come on, baby. I like how 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.280