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Speaker 1: On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and

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Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy and best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechtel Cast. I'm Caitlin, I'm Jamie, and we're

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Speaker 1: here to talk about movies, specifically what women. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: portrayal of women. The portrayal of women. What are they like?

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Speaker 1: What are they like? Do they get? Oh? Here's the test.

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Speaker 1: Are there two women in the movie who are speaking

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Speaker 1: to each other about something other than a man? Do

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Speaker 1: they have names? We want to know Ideally they do?

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Speaker 1: Ideally yes, And that, my friends, is the Bechtel Test

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Speaker 1: created Bye Joey Bechtel, Bobby Bechtel, the second Mr Bobby Beckdel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's what this podcast is about. And we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a movie as we do every single time.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited for this episode. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's just jump right in and introduce our guests. She

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Speaker 1: is the best. She's so funny. She is a best

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Speaker 1: selling author and she co runs Devastating or Press on

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Speaker 1: a Los Angeles it man meadows. Oh my god, that

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Speaker 1: was a great intro. No information about me, but like,

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Speaker 1: I know I've been to your home. You know what.

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Speaker 1: That's right, You've a lovely home. By the way, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Amanda. Fun fact about Amanda, She's got a

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Speaker 1: Charlie Brown poster in her bathroom. Yes, and it's from

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Speaker 1: the movie everyone forgets about. I'd never heard of it.

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Speaker 1: I had to look it up. After Charlie Brown. They

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Speaker 1: go to France, they stay in the countryside, there's great stuff.

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Speaker 1: A house is on fire. Whose idea plane? It's great?

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Speaker 1: Is the French Tourism board responsible for the absolutely let's

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Speaker 1: bring beloved American characters, you know, just to rants, just

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Speaker 1: to like make it an appealing to to the younger set.

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Speaker 1: My dad has a weird amount of spite for France. Really,

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Speaker 1: he calls everything that he thinks rich people do French.

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Speaker 1: One time he called me and he was like where

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Speaker 1: are you And I was like, I'm in a Starbucks

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Speaker 1: and he was like, what are you French? Wait? Was

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Speaker 1: he one of those people who like, like, instead of

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Speaker 1: calling them French fries, he'd call them freedom fries. No.

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Speaker 1: I think he just like decided that French was a

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Speaker 1: synonym for bougie, which does, which does? Which makes sense

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Speaker 1: if you view French people as like bread carrying cartoon characters. Right.

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Speaker 1: I had an idea for a sketch that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to perform once where it would just be like a

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Speaker 1: quick blackout sketch, but it would be Jack from Titanic

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Speaker 1: and Rose or some woman. And the woman would say, Jack,

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Speaker 1: I want you to draw me like one of your

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Speaker 1: French girls. And she takes off a robe and it's

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Speaker 1: just like her, with like a beret and like a

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Speaker 1: striped shirt, with like a little red hand, like smoking

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Speaker 1: a cigarette and holding a bag a t great, I

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Speaker 1: love it, I'm in give me. Can it also be

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Speaker 1: the caffee Baits character? Oh yeah, Molly sinkable Molly Branch, Yes,

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Speaker 1: like so very unsinkable. Hey, what movie we're talking about today?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I said that we're talking about We

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Speaker 1: just talk about Titanic. Ackat, No, we're not talking man.

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Speaker 1: Well if I know that, that's what we always want

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Speaker 1: to do. Okay, this is the same eraboh true, same

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Speaker 1: year because the movie we're talking about is Spice World.

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Speaker 1: That's a yas queen. Yeah, this is kind of a

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Speaker 1: yas Queen kind of movie. It's super is excuse my shouting.

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Speaker 1: I have a Mike's Hard lemonade. It's a harder. I

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Speaker 1: has a lightning bowl over the r we. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: wild serious. If you want to get crazy, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: want to funk with this lemonade. Does that mean it's

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Speaker 1: a higher alcohol content than a regular mix hard? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's actually kind of ridiculous. Yeah. It says warning

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Speaker 1: essentially where it is just like riddled with alcohol. Also,

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Speaker 1: when you smell it, it's it smells like the love

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Speaker 1: Spell body spray from Victorious. Remember this candy sticky sweet? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's it's I wouldn't say it's good, but

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Speaker 1: the bliss points. Give some snack food lingo, some inside

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Speaker 1: I just read an except an excerpt from that book

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Speaker 1: about bliss points, about like, how like Freedola like designs

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Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I bet the Mike's Harder people develop

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Speaker 1: but how does it feel? How does a Mike's Hard

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Speaker 1: lemonade of twelve year olds? Yeah? I have this kid's

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Speaker 1: There's there's a bad sketch that I could write Mike's

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Speaker 1: Hard focus group. It's a little bit harder than your

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Speaker 1: of money. Do you want to buy my sketch? Let's

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Speaker 1: do it. Let's go back in time, spitch it to

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Speaker 1: funnier name in two thousand nine. Yeah, I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: give me a give me a be selep any b

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Speaker 1: selep be in my sketch? That is bad? Whoa sick? Ross? Jamie?

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about spice World and said that, well,

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Speaker 1: yeah we did, but that we immediately got off topic.

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Speaker 1: And I prepared for such an eventuality. I brought us

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Speaker 1: all physical totems to remind us that we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Spice World. Yeah, so I actually really really no. Lie

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Speaker 1: bought these two two and a half years ago at

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Speaker 1: a ninine cent story. I have these three inch mini

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Speaker 1: figurines of four of the Spice Girls. Let's see. We've

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Speaker 1: got baby here, we got sporty, We've got your posh

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Speaker 1: she's in some kind of bikini, doesn't look that posh?

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Speaker 1: And scary Spice who's in some kind of cow themed

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Speaker 1: get ups. Animal prints. Yeah, she loves her animal prints.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes her scary, not that she's black. How

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Speaker 1: do we feel one? I mean, are we addressing was

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Speaker 1: like the movie is actually not that offensive, it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of bad. Yeah, so tell us about, like, when

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Speaker 1: when did you first see this? What's your history with

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Speaker 1: the Spice Girls. I was the right age. I think

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Speaker 1: I got to sit and watch everyone else argue about

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Speaker 1: and I loved the first album. Um. I never got

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Speaker 1: girl power, they say, wonder if they were getting money

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Speaker 1: for so much like girl power because this is something

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Speaker 1: we can put on an eardescent sticker. The little girls

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Speaker 1: will die. So many shirts that girl power. When I

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Speaker 1: Let's stop like graphic t stories. I had my fifth

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Speaker 1: grade school picture. Um um, I have braces. And I

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Speaker 1: used to love getting corn rows, which is like weird.

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Speaker 1: And I used to love getting corn rows. That was, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in this particular is a specific genre of corn row, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was. It still looked a little bit off,

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Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt that says too young for Ashton's.

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Speaker 1: Oh I remember those shirts. Yeah, you get him a

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Speaker 1: Macy's and my aunt got it for me. I didn't

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Speaker 1: to Ashton, say he's like, hey, what a cute little

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Speaker 1: Oh no, she's too young baby, like knee socks lead

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Speaker 1: my shirt and too young for you? Too young for you,

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Speaker 1: but I think you're very handsome. Oh my god. Should

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Speaker 1: I'll do the recap of this. I don't know, let's

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Speaker 1: It's not even sketches skits. Yeah, it's not sophisticated enough

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Speaker 1: The story focuses on the Spice girls. They all play themselves.

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Speaker 1: They're already like famous in the movie. They have like

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Speaker 1: there is this guy who runs a tabloid magazine and

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Speaker 1: he's like, I hate these Spice Girls. People like him

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Speaker 1: the Spice Girl so that he can start running different headlines.

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Speaker 1: He got the he got the foggy toe sucking picture. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: there are these two other like Hollywood guys who want

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Speaker 1: girl band together. It's such a confusing movie, Like every

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Speaker 1: part of it, I'm like, do they hate mothers? Do

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Speaker 1: they like mothers? Do they? Because they they're like, we're

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Speaker 1: if you know what a kiss is, then you should

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00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: know what a hand is. So you just wanted to

421
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: legit go for Melboe. That was the UM. I love

422
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: that the Spice girls can speak the language that they're speaking,

423
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: or at least understand it. Yeah, And it's like does

424
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: that have three ksus it's purple. The Spice girls are

425
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: totally They just conform to whatever is needed for the

426
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: skit they are appearing in. Yes, which is like, oh,

427
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: there's aliens. Well they speak alien and they're so willing

428
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: to like absorb anything into spice cannon, which is like

429
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: so great. And that's like kind of the core idea

430
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: of a pop group too. It's like, you know, like

431
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: it's a shape shifting parasite, like you like this, we're

432
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: this like right, I mean, I guess that is close

433
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: to like a modern day equivalent would be like Katy

434
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: Perry of like whatever. Katy Perry doesn't have a personality,

435
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: she's doing whatever the fuck you're supposed to be doing

436
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: as Yeah, where it's like, oh, we like aliens right now,

437
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: et let's do it. We're the eighties are green lipstick

438
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: while I do it right, like the eighties are back.

439
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: We're doing t G I f like she does not.

440
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: She's like, you want me to shoot cream out of

441
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: my titties, I'll do it. What do you want? And

442
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: that's how girl groups and and guide groups to an

443
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: extent worked. Yeah, it's true, still work. They're just they're

444
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: just they're just avatars and we're just projecting ourselves onto them.

445
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. That's thank you so much. I'm doing a

446
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: real deep die. Let me just continue on with that

447
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: because I have a few scenes I want to discuss.

448
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: The scene when they're in Milan and the backup dancers

449
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: come in, Oh yeah, and everyone's like, oh, what's what's

450
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: this because they're like these chiseled muscle guys with like

451
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: only like shiny underwear on or like tidy Whitey's or

452
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: something objectification but like it's fine, and everyone's like, we

453
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: don't want them this, this is not what we wanted.

454
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: And then you see a few of the girls talking

455
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: to like a different one of these guys, and these

456
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: scenes are so funny because Scary like looks at the

457
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: one guy they're like talking about their junk and they're like,

458
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: what do you think this is real? And she's like no,

459
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: I think it's just a rolled up pair of socks. Uh,

460
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: And she's like making fun of his muscles. And then

461
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: Baby is talking to a different one and she's explaining

462
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: to him why there's not enough room in her bed

463
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: for him because of all her stuffed animals and dolls,

464
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: and then Sporty, I think, is talking to a different

465
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: one and I think they're talking about Milan's soccer team

466
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: and how they suck, which is like who gives off fun.

467
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: It could have been like these girls like oggling over

468
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: these hot men and they were just like, oh, you

469
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: guys are dumb, get out of here. We don't want

470
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: you here, which these movies all about. It's like there's

471
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: no love interest. It's just them a celebration of their

472
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: friendship and they're like girl power. Well, okay, I'm gonna

473
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: usually I'm the one to be like in defense of

474
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: the movie. But there are so many male antagonists and

475
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: they're all ineffectual like olymptics idiots, and it's very clearly portrayed.

476
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: But also the Spice Girls are portrayed. It's almost everyone

477
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: in this movie is made out to be like a

478
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: completely stupid um, which is an interesting choice creatively. It's

479
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: like stupid world where everyone's everyone's fucking dumb. But but

480
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: still they're lives are almost completely dictated by the decision

481
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: or like there are men trying to actively manipulate them all.

482
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: Forty five of the villains in this movie are stalking

483
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: them and like throwing obstacles in their way to the

484
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: demands of them, right, And it's like this is not satire,

485
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: but you know, you could see where people would be

486
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: like hey, maybe, like maybe there was one person who

487
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: did a draft of this movie that very likely went

488
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: through four thousand drafts. Sixth of the world contributed to

489
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: the script, and it's based on an idea by the

490
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: Spice Girls. Though, so what if we went on tour

491
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: and we're very famous and they're like, we've got it, girls,

492
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: just give us like six years. Um. But there's just

493
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: like there's all these men trying to manipulate them, and

494
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: arguably it kind of works, but also what kind of

495
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: doesn't because like really nothing changes from the beginning to

496
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. They start pretty famous, then

497
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: even more famous. Yeah, what does right? They don't like

498
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: demolish the system that created this problem where they're surrounded

499
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: by horrible dudes. It's not an important movie. Will say

500
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say

501
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: this movie didn't change the world. It was like, I know,

502
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I know, it's a very profound. It was like, at

503
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: times really well observed. There were lots of like really

504
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: funny parodic elements where you're like, oh, yeah, that's true,

505
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: but there's nothing on top of that. There's no like counterpoint,

506
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: there's no razor to it. I mean there's no there's

507
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: no really anything that happened, Like you could watch any

508
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: five minutes of this movie and have no idea where

509
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: it takes place in the story because nothing happened, like

510
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: many happens. But it's beautiful. In a few times that

511
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: like feminism is mentioned, it's almost as a joke or

512
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: as like right, nothing, you know, no, one's like there's

513
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: no feminist agenda that this moment. But it doesn't seem

514
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: like a joke when you're the appropriate age to be

515
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: watching it like this, when it doesn't feel that way

516
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: when you're like twelve, Yeah, when it's like because that's

517
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: like when they say it's totally empty and almost poking

518
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: fun at like you know whatever feminism as a selling

519
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: point as as just a veneer. But yeah, they don't

520
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: really demolish that in any way. Yeah, where there. And

521
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: but if you're eleven and you're like power, you're like, yeah,

522
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I should be like these girls who are actively selling

523
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: me wonder brass girl power to use my credit card

524
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: at North Stops. Yeah, I do love this humor that

525
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: we're I think it's like is this dress too short?

526
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: Or should I have this dress? Or this dress? Dress? Yeah,

527
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: dress and then the little Gucci dress, and then Baby says,

528
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: I think you should have the little Gucci dress. And

529
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: then they're like, yeay, Baby, you fucking idiot. Oh man,

530
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: that seems so funny that that's when they're talking about

531
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: the horoscopes and she's like, you're an aquarius, so you

532
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: don't believe in anything. She's like, well, I don't believe

533
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: that either, what you say about capiticorns. But the two times.

534
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: There's one scene where remembering the photo shoot, when they're

535
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: dressing up as each other, that was really fun. Yeah.

536
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that. I think it's is

537
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: it Melby who dresses up as Ginger Spice and she's

538
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: like a good feminism whatever, because I guess Jerry slash

539
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: Ginger was she like quite outspoken aboutism, and I don't

540
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: remember that she was the most outspoken about it, but

541
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: it was it was still various surface level. She's usually

542
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: the one that says yeah. And then whenever the writers

543
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: who were trying to pitch movies to Clifford, they're like

544
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: Spice four five, where Ginger is like the master disguise

545
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: and so she runs into this little phone booth and

546
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: then twirls around and then Bob Hoskins comes out, it's amazing,

547
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: and then he's like feminism, equality between the sexes or whatever.

548
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: So like both times, like any time that, like like

549
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: I said, like feminism or girl power is mentioned, it's

550
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: like usually at the bed of a joke like that,

551
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's totally throw away feminism for the sake

552
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: of like this is starting to be marketable, but not

553
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: even quite marketable enough to not be endorsing bras constantly.

554
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: So ye, I would like to draw attention to how

555
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: many very British sounding names through are in this movie.

556
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: Peek Alan Cumming plays a character named Pays Cuthberts and smithe,

557
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's great. Mark McKinny is great and great

558
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: and yes at Martin Bonfield and uh, Kevin mcmxvott, it's

559
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: just it's uh, it's this movie is so British. There

560
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: there's a barnaby. You can't it's law, you can't have

561
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: a British one without a barnaby. Yes, And then the

562
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: came is we've got Elton John, We've got Elvis Costeller,

563
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: we've got meat Love as the bus Drive, We've got

564
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Stephen Fry, we've got Hugh Laurie back when they were

565
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: still I think Jennifer Saunders at peak abbab. Yeah, as

566
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: it says Jennifer Saunders as fashionable woman. There's so many

567
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: that would have been, like the Americans would have just

568
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: been called fashionable women. CBS Money Days, Well, wasn't there.

569
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: There's basically a show that there was designing one designing Women. Yeah,

570
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: I hear, that's a good show. Yeah, you know, I

571
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: haven't really seen it since I was a kid. It's

572
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: like kind of a haze. I just remember that's Delta Burke, right,

573
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, I don't know. I remember I

574
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: had like a line of clothing at Kmart and I

575
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: thought that was like peak fashion. I still actively wear

576
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot of Like I got really into the Miley

577
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Cyrus Walmart line in high school because it was like

578
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: trendy but also affordable. And I still have a lot

579
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: of Miley tanks. How many pieces do you have? I

580
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: have like from the Miley collection and saying I still

581
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: rotate out three or four just basic tanks. Wait, it's

582
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: like that, whatever Camies, what happened to all the Camees?

583
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: Where did they go? We need we need a Camey cameo,

584
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: oh no, what a horrible joke. Okay, um, remember that

585
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: scene where Posh is talking to a person who I

586
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, and she's like, what do

587
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: you how do you feel about ment to raise? And

588
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: she is like, I think he's great. I'm wearing it

589
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: mental ray shoes right now. Some of my other favorite jokes,

590
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: because I just had to write them down and I

591
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: must share them with you now is Deborah and Clifford

592
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: or in a bar and Deborah is like, famous, such

593
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: a fickle thing. And then she orders a drink from

594
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: the bartender and he turns around and it's Elvis Costello

595
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: and then she goes, just a minute, can you make

596
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: that a double? This avie is so funny, It's really funny.

597
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: It was nominated for literally every Razzie possible, but I

598
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: don't even win. I don't think that they Yeah, what

599
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: move didn't win for being the worst? It didn't even

600
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: it didn't even win for being um Ebert's least favorite.

601
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: That distinction ended up going to Armageddon. Oh that's he

602
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: does suck, So yeah, my mom was so horny for

603
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: that movie for sure. My dad kind of low key crying.

604
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: He cried during Like, there's two movies where I remember

605
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: as a kid my dad cried. One is Arming Adam

606
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: and the other is Adam Sandler's big Daddy in the

607
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: courtroom scene that is kind of a sad scene. My

608
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: mom gave me romantic advice ones based off of Adam

609
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Sandler's Click for real. I was going through a dark

610
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: hour of the soul. I forget which one, but it

611
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago, and she was just like,

612
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's kind of like and I saw this movie

613
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: recently called Click, because she said it like I didn't

614
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: know what it was. I saw this movie recently called Click,

615
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: and there's a part at the end where he's talking

616
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: to his father and like he wishes there were so

617
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: many things that he had said and then he didn't

618
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: and then he lives, Like you can't really go back.

619
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: You can't really just rewind as like, Mom, thank you

620
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: so much. There's not really a remote control on your life.

621
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: That's a good point that Jamie. I never thought of

622
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: that before. I didn't realize. My mom had a similar

623
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: epiphany with Queen Latifa's last holiday. She was like, you

624
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: gotta live in the now. You're so worried all the time, honey,

625
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: is that the one where she thinks she's dying she

626
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: gets like a weird cat scan or am I travels

627
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: the world or something? Is Steve Martin and that one

628
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: there's there's that down the house. God, there's such a

629
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: weird stretch of Steve Martin movies and the odds where

630
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: like I'll be in a movie with anybody, a bunch

631
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: of dogs, a bunch of babies, anything, ones, I could

632
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: bring my banjo on set. Steve. Okay, Steve Martin, he

633
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: should have been in this movie. Needs to stop playing

634
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: the banjo. I'm calling him out and saying he's in

635
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: a classy way. I'm like, so over. I saw him

636
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: play the banjo on Accident a couple of years ago,

637
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: and I was just like, yeah, I was well. I

638
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: was working in radio at the time, and he and

639
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: they were like, we have a surprise guest. I'm like, oh, cool,

640
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be someone that I like, and and then

641
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: it was like Steve Martin. I was like, I love

642
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: Steve Martin's comedy. And then they're like, but tonight he's

643
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: just playing in the banjo. I was like, fuck off,

644
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Like what are you? How did some monkeys pot scenario.

645
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, guys, great news. We have Steve Martin.

646
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: You know that I'm really good at this. Watch me

647
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: do something else, and like how just hold hold up?

648
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: His rep says he'll only come if he does the band.

649
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: He would only goddamnit, we need him that he'll only

650
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: play with I think he released an album with Paula

651
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: McCartney's ex wife. Steve Martin, you're unnoticed. They were in

652
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: the Hams. In the conversation struck up and you do

653
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: funny things only you make me laugh, you little monkey.

654
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Put down the banjo. I don't want to read your novels.

655
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to read your not I didn't read

656
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: shop Girl, though shop Girl is good. Then he wrote

657
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: that one about the art world. That's like sitting on

658
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: my shelf. I'm never going to read it. I'm never

659
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: going to read an object of beauty. I don't know

660
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: why I'm so mad at him for doing things that

661
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: aren't what I want him to do. Now you've awoken

662
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: something in me too. I've been really mad at him

663
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: for some time. I realized, and I hated this episode

664
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: of Spice World. He stuck about he had a he

665
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: had a really good memoir. But even that, now I'm

666
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: just like, well then do that, Like, yeah, Born Standing

667
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: Up is amazing. It's a great book. But it's also like,

668
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: why are you just go just are a joke man?

669
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: Why are you speaking in jokes? Can I share a

670
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: few more of mine? Spice? Thank you? I love I

671
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: like that Roger Moore. Every time you see him in

672
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: a scene, he's holding a different baby, animal or just

673
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: animal in general. There's the scene where I think you

674
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: see the Spice girls like rehearsing for the concert is

675
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of early on, and someone goes, that's absolutely perfect

676
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: without it actually being any good, an amazing line. I

677
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: wish I had written that that's a great summation of

678
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: the Spice without being good at all. Clifford at one

679
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: point says, oh, it's when they want to go and

680
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: like play around on the boat, and he's like, if

681
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: they wanted to be spontaneous, they need to clear it

682
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: with me. First funny line. Funny, it's great and the

683
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: movie is full of these. It's a fucking funny movie

684
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: out don't tell me otherwise. And if you like this movie,

685
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: or if you don't, I still recommend a similar movie

686
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: called Josie and the Pussycat. The Pussycats is amazing good. Yeah,

687
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: sorry for that voice, I think, Yeah, I think you're

688
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: really talking about the cheeseburst. Let the listener overdose in

689
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I can't, I can't do this. Jamie just

690
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: pulled a half eaten cheeseburger out of some spoil from

691
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: like full two and a half hours. Oh man, alright,

692
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: choking on that. I'm going to say a few other

693
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to mention. I liked it. None

694
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: of the drama in this movie derives from issues between

695
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: the band or like with the girls themselves, because like

696
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: a very common like trope or just an easy direction.

697
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: They could have taken this in as, oh, they're not

698
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: getting along, they're mad at each other, but they're never

699
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: like They're always like on the same page. They're always

700
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: getting along, which hey, maybe that doesn't make for a

701
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: great movie with a central conflict. I don't know, but

702
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: I just like that because often if you have like

703
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: a group of women, you see them on the screen

704
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: portrayed as being they're in competition with each other, and

705
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: Caddy and Petty towards each other very is so noncompetitive

706
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: to the point where it's just like they're all the

707
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: same person, Like they're all the same dumb person to

708
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: the point where it's like, oh yeah, even though these

709
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: male antagonists are I mean, that's the only reason they exist.

710
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: And that's also unfortunately true in real life where that

711
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: guy named Simon who's not Simon Cowell but no Simon

712
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Cowell that created the X factor, uh like created the

713
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Spice Girls and his weird sex lab or whatever, and

714
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it is funny that, like

715
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: we are to believe in the mythology of this movie

716
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: that the Spice Girls have known each other since childhood

717
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: and they used to hang out in the cafe when

718
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: they were waiting full record deal different ages and like

719
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: creations of science basically like did you know the Spice

720
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Girls literally had to go to like camp to become

721
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: the Spice Girls, Like there was a there was a

722
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: re education camp. It was like a definite full brainwash,

723
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: like they're not I mean, not that dramatic, but they

724
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: went to fucking camp to become popster, which also happens

725
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: in Korea. And it's really interesting and there's a really

726
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: good show about it on Netflix. I'll tell you about

727
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is really good. It's really good. Yeah,

728
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: that's that was like a nineties thing that's like still happening.

729
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: It's still happening in Korea, and it's they rotate them

730
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: out by your It's very weird, but also like what

731
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: an amazing gift. Yeah, but like I agree, Citland, I

732
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: like I kind of like that they weren't in competition

733
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: with each other and that there wasn't like every other

734
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: Muppets movie where they all have to break up and

735
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: come together. That part is always really sad. I hate

736
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: when the Muppets break up and I have to come

737
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: back together. There's a lot. It takes up a lot

738
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: of the end of the second age the Cheetah Girls too,

739
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: not the Cheetah Girls to the one where they go

740
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: to Barcelona, the Cheetah Girls as well. Right, Yeah, I

741
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: mean in this movie, they don't really break up, but

742
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: they all kind of like go off and separate, but

743
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: not because they're having like an internal conflict, but because

744
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: they're at the mercy of other people demanding this schedule

745
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: of them, and they're like, I don't know if I

746
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: want to do that. We just want all we want

747
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: is to just be able to respect ourselves and and

748
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: hang out with our friends, especially when they're about to

749
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: have a baby. Yeah, I like that they take her.

750
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: They take Nicola, the pregnant friend to the discotheque. And

751
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: also I guess it's a gay bar. It's like it's

752
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of drag queens there and they're

753
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: just like also just mess shirts and like go go stop,

754
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: bring backsh already. I love Mesh. We're ready. Like it's

755
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: hard to find sometimes, I thought like it would be

756
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: cool to own more Mesh. Let's go to eBay where

757
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: we gonna find it. Yeah, it's hard to get those

758
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: laundry bags and just cut some holes. Good idea. We're

759
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: just like bast just where I bought a basketball penny

760
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: once to wear under overalls. So just like maybe the

761
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: most the poorest fashion choices I've ever made. But I

762
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: was like, I'm at Bonnaroo, I'm going to get a

763
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Mesh shirt. And overall George's that is very There's some

764
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: there's some great pictures of me in front of mushroom

765
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: fountains wearing this brilliant outfit created at the Walmart across

766
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: the street from Bonaroo. Please tell me I'd read the

767
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: novel of Walmart across the street from Bao. What is

768
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: it like working there for one week out of the year, Well,

769
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: Spice World. Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie?

770
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: I still love it that scene where they like flashback

771
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: to like their early days, would want to be there,

772
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: like singing along to their own song in that cafe.

773
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: I got legitmate nostal check about it. I'm kind of

774
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: missing about it right now. And then I was like, oh, ship, yeah,

775
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: I do have a connection to this movie. It's not

776
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: just like a weird memory I have. What was I

777
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna say about Spice Cross. Oh yeah, they're a product

778
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: of men, but they pretend to be empowered and they

779
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: sort of are. But are they just too stupid? Like

780
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: we don't there are a bunch of real science creations

781
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: they do. Women in stem created them? Who knows that?

782
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: But guy Simon created them? Yeah, I guess it's a

783
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: I mean it's this movie is so much fucking fun

784
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and it could not have existed in like this other

785
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: than this span of ten days. Would it have made sense?

786
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I love that when the bus makes the jump and

787
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: it clearly just switched just to like a miniature toy

788
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: set of a bus jumping from like it's so I

789
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: love those things. I still geek out over like the

790
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: practical effect gag. It's like and it's like surprisingly a

791
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: self aware movie. It is it realizes there's a problem,

792
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: but they have no intention to fix it. So here's

793
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: some goofs right right, there's Spice Girls songs, Like, here's

794
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: a lot of like Spice Girls B side songs. And

795
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: also I wanted to say that that there's such a

796
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: seventies vibe to this whole movie, especially in the opening

797
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: segment where it's like, you know but and I guess

798
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: the reason that is or like part of the reason

799
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: that was sort of amped up in post production was

800
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: because this is the same year that Austin Powers came out.

801
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: That's right. So the seventies were hot and a mess.

802
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: It was like seventies should never be in fashion, and

803
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: there it was a gross decade. I thought I was there.

804
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: I should know. First of all, I just want to

805
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: apologize to our listeners for our bad attempts at British accents.

806
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: Number one, sorry, number two, sorry number two. I want

807
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: to shout out my good friend British Martha, whom I

808
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: call it British Martha to her face, Sorry Marsha, Martha,

809
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: what not the whatly? We're so sorry, so so sorry,

810
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: so sorry. And three were good feel like an east

811
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: End there's sporty spice she has like a Oh. Speaking

812
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: of British, Caitlin Durante went at a bar will order

813
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: a drink as if she were all over twist. The

814
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: other night we were in a par together. Thank you

815
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: said excuse me? Could I trouble you for a glass

816
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: of wine? And the bar the bartender or maybe it

817
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: was water water? Can I trouble you for some water?

818
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: It was Lisa, may I have some water? Like she

819
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: was asking for gruel. It was amazing. I always the

820
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: same thing, though, because these bartenders are super intimidating out here.

821
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: I just inhale, I go, well, can you please get

822
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: I always phrase it like that when I'm asking for

823
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: water because I'm not giving them any money. I'm probably

824
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: not even going to take them for a water. Maybe

825
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person. I don't know, but I always

826
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: say can I trouble you for some water? Because I

827
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: know it's like an annoying thing and they're not going

828
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: to make any money off it. If I'm ordering an

829
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: actual drink, I say pizza. I want gin and tonic

830
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: and bloody blading. My father died of consumption and I

831
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: got full pen to give me some Jimmie Dodges. I

832
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: won't currently Wally. Oh, my uncle killed themselves after the

833
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: business went bused. There's a rubbish. There's a rubbish. There

834
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: is a rubbish. Cheese bacon has got off and you

835
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: gotta chuck it in the bin is what I need

836
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: to do apologize for. Yes, British Martha, I love you

837
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: so much. I miss you every day. She's still alive.

838
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone British. Yeah, A moment of silence,

839
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: My British. The British people are normally acquaintances, so I

840
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Speaker 1: feel weird addressing, though I understand we count all the

841
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: uncle enough to have a British like a friend, like

842
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: a British friend, you know. Man. Anyway, let's talk about

843
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test. But

844
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: guess what it does, Like super does. I feel like

845
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: it's aggressively proving to you that it does, and every

846
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: second without saying it, because I don't think I think

847
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: this predates the beck they'll test by like a couple

848
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: of years. I think late nineties. I don't know exactly

849
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, I'm not sure when I brought Yeah.

850
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: In most scenes, I would say that at least the

851
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: girls are in they are talking to each other about

852
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: not a man. In fact, there's a scene where Alan Cumming,

853
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: who is making the documentary about them, is sort of

854
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: interviewing them and he's like, do you have any time

855
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: for boys? And Sporty goes boys doesn't ring a bell,

856
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: and then Scary says, with boys, you should just be

857
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: able to wheel them in. And then they're there and

858
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: that's it. And then Baby says yeah, and order them

859
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: like a pizza, and Posh is like, yeah, I'll have

860
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: a deep pen six foot green eye paralleaf It like

861
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: there there's an opportunity for them to be talking about men,

862
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: and they're just making of it. They're like boys growth

863
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: and there's no and like and and this sort of

864
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: factors into like the weird portrayal of motherhood in this movie,

865
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: where they're so happy for their friend, but then they

866
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: picture motherhood is being kind of gross and unappealing and

867
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: like as a robbery of their independence. And I think

868
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: that that sort of extends to their attitude towards men

869
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: of like they view relationships and men is sort of

870
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: a way of robbing their independence, which is interesting for

871
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: scientific aliens created by name Simon. It's complicated also that

872
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: the Betel test was first introduced in eighty five, but

873
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't like popularly referenced until maybe early two thousands, right,

874
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: that was that was thirty years or more ago. Yeah,

875
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: if you haven't read it, dikes to watch out for.

876
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: It's very good comic and there they are collected and

877
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: you should read them. Yeah, oh my god, it's just

878
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: like so filtered through the male gaze at there's so

879
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: many opportunities that they create to talk about it and said,

880
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: it's just like they talk about looks again, and they

881
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: don't really talk about like the system itself. So it's frustrating.

882
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's a lot of girls just being

883
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: girls and there's fluffy fun happening, but there's a lot

884
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: of like real stuff that they could talk about the

885
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: very ignoring So as an adult, that's very unsatisfying. It's

886
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: very like watered down quote unquote feminism absolutely like the

887
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: most water done. It could be very sexy, like yeah,

888
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: and there's that scene where I think it's posh is

889
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: like I had I had a nightmare that I had

890
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: a head but there was no makeup on it, and

891
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: everyone's like disgust, like yeah, and that her I like

892
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: legitimately felt bad when I want and I was like,

893
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: oh no, I should go my lip glass. Don't fall

894
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: into their trap. That's what they want you to do.

895
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I bought a lip glass. Sorry, it

896
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: was a wet and wild. It was a wet wild,

897
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: a false alarm. It was a wet wild. That's my

898
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: nickname from my vagina. Min'd still the sand lot mine.

899
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: I was going to say in our sand lat episode

900
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: was the cave from Aladdin. That's the don't touch anything

901
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: it laps and then you'll be trapped inside and you'll

902
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: have to wish your way out. That's exactly how it were.

903
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: Do you have a genie living in your uters? Because

904
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, but it doesn't work for me. It

905
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: works for whoever's trapped in there, right, But at the

906
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: end you have to wish him free. And then I

907
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: clim X when you wish the genie free, Only then

908
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: can I come a true act of altruism where I

909
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: killed myself is oh anyway, yeah, the movie again, you know,

910
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: they're talking to each other, oftentimes about fashion or scopes

911
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: or other not important things. There's no grade level here.

912
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: It's past fail because it's like a D like honestly,

913
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: but past fail, so it passes. Hey, speaking of grades,

914
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: we rate the movie based on its portrayal of the

915
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: women in the movie. We have a nipple scale zero

916
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: to five nipples. We can describe those nipples if we

917
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: so choose. I'm really thinking about this, Um, I think

918
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it like a two and a

919
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: half nipples. Okay, yeah, for a moment I thought three,

920
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: but it's like a little too high. The movie doesn't

921
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: make sense, let's be honest. But okay, So, like one

922
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: of them is like a little baby nipple, like really

923
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: it's like a very like it's like the size of

924
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: a quarter and it's really pink. And then the other

925
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: is like like a classic nipple, like a little brown

926
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: protrudes a little bit. Yeah, and the half nipple is

927
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: like one with a really like large areola. Good good, Yeah,

928
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: I'll give it two and a half as well. I think, yeah,

929
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: it's a I wouldn't even say that this movie's heart

930
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: is in the right place, because I don't think it

931
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: has a hard Is it in the right place? Um?

932
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: But I you know, I think it made little girls

933
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: feel good even when they didn't realize it was probably

934
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: hurting them a little bit. So it's a it's a

935
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: tricky gray area where it's like I'm never gonna discredit

936
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: like go palette, like that's a great phrase. But also

937
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: when you're being pedaled merch the whole time time, it's like, well,

938
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: that said, the movie has been forgotten and doesn't make

939
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: any sense. So at the end of the day, who

940
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: you know who am I? I am just a cyborg

941
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: created by a man named Simon, So I don't really

942
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying at all. You are about a hologram.

943
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: I am a hologram. I'm a hologram some some never mind,

944
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: please buy my sound chat. Yeah, I'm gonna give it.

945
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: I guess two nipples. Two and a half of my

946
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: nipples are Alan Cummings. You know, Alan Cumming has like

947
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: an extra an extra half pocket. It's in my pocket. Yeah,

948
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: I would give it to nipples. Although a thing I

949
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: wanted to say that I did before is that oftentimes

950
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: in a comedy movie, a lot of the funny lines

951
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: are being delivered by not women. So I like that

952
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: the women in this movie have a bunch of funny

953
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: scenes and lines and jokes. At some point, I agree,

954
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: even if they didn't write them themselves, right, who knows

955
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: trues it to deliver a joke. Movie was written by

956
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: a woman named Kim Fuller, plus two other people who

957
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: have received three cents and royalties every time the movie

958
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: airs on free Form, which is a legal stream. That

959
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: I found was something that had been aired on free form,

960
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: So shout out to my free form heads out there.

961
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: I've never watched freeform. Right, you can take this part out.

962
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: This is bad. This is about networking. I'm going to

963
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: get blackall industry between like actually and Mary Kate movie.

964
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to start freeform beef.

965
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: I can't afform more beef in my life. That's a

966
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: thick slab off. I don't have any more room, all right, good,

967
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: good good. That's where I keep all my conflict and

968
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: also my beef. Men. Yeah, two nipples. I'll give it again.

969
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: Any mention of like feminism and girl power and stuff

970
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: like that is very watered down. It's not really substantiated

971
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: by anything. Even so, it's a it's a fun movie.

972
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: Um it's like we said, doesn't make any sense. I

973
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: don't really mind that, even though I do have a

974
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: master's degree in screenwriting, which I hate to bring up,

975
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: but um, that does it. It's still it's a it's

976
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: a fun watch. I'd recommend it if you just want

977
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: like some kind of mindless fun. That and again, Josie

978
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: and the Pussycats love that movie. I like Josie a lot.

979
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: That's a really good movie. The nipples belong to that.

980
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: That that's a good one. He loves snips, love snips

981
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: at the bast rally her beef. You have your beef?

982
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get your beef? Girl? No one has

983
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: ever specified weather meat loafs made of beef or like

984
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: some other meat processed. Yeah. I feel like he's a

985
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: combo of something. He's like a bunch of hand sandwich

986
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: is putting a blender. Oh man, that's a really good album.

987
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: Me and my dad used to listen to it in

988
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: the car. There's a song about making out at the movies,

989
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 1: and then my dad and I would make you would

990
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: like I like that. Mike's her lemonade. I like the

991
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: meat Loaf in the movie says I would do anything

992
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: for those girls, but I won't do that talking about

993
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: fixing the bathrooms, and I did not trees it's so healthy.

994
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: I did not know that that was meat Loaf until

995
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: I was watching the credits. Meat Loaf as Benny the

996
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: Best Driver, such a talented act. Like I know that

997
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: that sounds like a hilarious joke, but he's really good

998
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: and rocky horror. He does his best with what he's

999
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: given in Spice World, and he's really good in Fight Club.

1000
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: Beat Loaf is a great actor. Don't remembering he's in

1001
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: the support group. He's like the bigger he's the beefcake.

1002
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I also he brings the beef in

1003
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: Fight Club. He should have been in the Wrestler. He

1004
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: should have been one of the like down and out

1005
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: wrestlers in that. Yeah, Mickey work didn't deserve a comeback.

1006
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: Give meat Loaf back revisionist history. If he had gotten

1007
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: into the wrestler, that could have been like a whole resurgence.

1008
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have to be on the Celebrity Apprentice's I

1009
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: need to find him. I could fix him. I could

1010
01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: Fix Me Podcast? Where's he a? Let me at him?

1011
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: Missing neat loof mydcast. He's old. Oh it might be

1012
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: too late to fix him. He's sixty nine. Oh shit,

1013
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: perfect age. It's true. It's way older than I thought

1014
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: he was. Like I was ten years off. I know.

1015
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: I was like, he's the horny age baby. Hey, Amanda,

1016
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: where can people find online? I forgot what you're doing

1017
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: a podcast? I think we all Yeah, okay, great, I

1018
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: had these totems and everything. I'm looking at these dolls.

1019
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting where I am like, Yeah, this is I'm

1020
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: spinning my sporty spy still new and box still im back?

1021
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, it is it going to tip over or not?

1022
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: And then Juno's in it too black those credits we

1023
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: don't see whether it's lands or not. What a film?

1024
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:03,880
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1025
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1032
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy it. Yeah, it's a good it's a

1033
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1036
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: what do you want to plug anything? I'd like to plug.

1037
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm working on a project right now, and it's like

1038
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: I still can't really talk about it that much, but

1039
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: it is in relation to Meet Love's come back, so

1040
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm also involved in this. I can't like. Yeah, we

1041
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 1: are all very and like Aristotle's kind of in charge

1042
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: of it. But anyways, you know, as we know Bat

1043
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Speaker 1: which is also an album, and also apparently Bad out

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Speaker 1: of Hell three, the monster is loose. So right now

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Speaker 1: we're we're going on Bad at Hell four, back to

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Speaker 1: back into Hell, and we're calling back to bat Hell

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Speaker 1: too because that was our favorite bat at of Hell.

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Speaker 1: But if it's there and back again, a back to

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Speaker 1: Hell story, back to Hell story of the Bat out

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Speaker 1: of Hell right and we're doing him in time for

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Speaker 1: meat Loaf's seventieth birthday this year, we're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do a rush order and then I'm going to write

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Speaker 1: him an indie sleeper um that people won't see but

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Speaker 1: when he dies, so I'll be like, hey, that was

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. I'm also I'm producing the motion comic

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Speaker 1: that ties into the movie. Anyway, if you want to

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Speaker 1: follow me old Caitlin here, oh Caitlin okay and hit

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Speaker 1: you can follow me at Caitlin Durante okay. Um. Hey. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you're on the Los Angeles area, you can come

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Speaker 1: to my monthly live show called Luck of the Track

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Speaker 1: at Nerd Melts first Friday of the month. Also, we

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Speaker 1: just want to thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: It's been a blast. What a fun episode. I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun here, you guys. This was one

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Speaker 1: of our wilder episodes. I love when we just get

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Speaker 1: loose and celebrate. Up. Pala girl, Pala. Sorry I messed

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Speaker 1: up the inflection. We all have done a very bad

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Speaker 1: job with the British act. At the end of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: we're all going to go out and shop for a

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Speaker 1: lip shaped couch and we're gonna get on it together

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Speaker 1: and talk about astrology. I'm going to get a swing

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Speaker 1: to put in my bus. I love on the doors

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Speaker 1: to their bus it said max capacity five girls. I

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Speaker 1: love that. Oh my god, it's very Do you think

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Speaker 1: that Aristotle will get a presidential Medal of Honor someday

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Speaker 1: for sitting? Yes? I think he's going to get like

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Speaker 1: a purple heart too, just because like it's the emotional

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Speaker 1: damage that we're inflicting upon him, is it's like combat's

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Speaker 1: enduring him, if not worse. Alright, well, it's been great.

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Speaker 1: It's been a groovy baby. That was Austin Powers until

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Speaker 1: next time. Goodbye bye, goodbye, bye bye bye bye. Could

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Speaker 1: I trouble you? FISTI water