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Speaker 3: Main Senate candidate Graham Platner appeared on Podsave America to

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Speaker 3: respond to some of the Reddit posts that were unearthed

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Speaker 3: by Democratic opposition researchers after the entry of Governor Janet

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Speaker 3: Mills into the Senate race, and while doing so, he

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Speaker 3: talked about new opo that is being circulated.

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Speaker 4: Let's roll that and we're going to get into it.

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Speaker 5: The reason that we are showing this video is because

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Speaker 5: at the very end you can see a tattoo on

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Speaker 5: yours and I've been told that some of your political

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Speaker 5: opponents are telling reporters that that tattoo has a Nazi affiliation,

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Speaker 5: and I would like to know is that accurate? Are

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Speaker 5: you a secret Nazi?

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Speaker 6: I am not a secret Nazi. Actually, if you read

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Speaker 6: through my Reddit comments, I think you can pretty much

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Speaker 6: figure out where I stand on Nazism and anti Semitism

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Speaker 6: and racism in general. I would say a lifelong opponent.

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Speaker 6: And we went ashore and Split Croatia, myself and a

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Speaker 6: few of the other machine gun squad leaders, and we

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Speaker 6: got very inebriated, and we did what marines on liberty do,

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Speaker 6: and we decided to go get a tattoo, and we

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Speaker 6: went to a tattoo parlor in Split Croatia, and we

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Speaker 6: chose a terrifying looking skull and crossbones off the wall

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Speaker 6: because we were Marines and you know, skulls and crossbones

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Speaker 6: are a pretty standard mil military thing. And we got

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Speaker 6: those tattoos, and then we all moved on with our lives.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 3: And so the story is that he went into a

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Speaker 3: Croatian tattoo parlor picked a skull and crossbones off the wall.

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Speaker 3: Turned out to be you know, have some Nazi symbolism

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Speaker 3: if you do walk drunkenly into a Croatian tattoo parlor.

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Speaker 3: You are extremely likely to want, especially if you ask

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Speaker 3: for a skull and crossboad, to wind up with some

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Speaker 3: type of Nazi symbolism on your body.

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Speaker 8: Your first mistake is drunkenly walking into a Croatian tattoo parlor,

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Speaker 8: because it is a high likelihood you walk out.

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Speaker 4: And so we can put up D two.

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Speaker 3: You know, here's his here's the side by side, that's

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Speaker 3: the total Copier's gonna.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure Soccer should come on the Friday Show and

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Speaker 8: get this is full download on this.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, pretty clear.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's like grateful dead to me, but yes, clear.

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Speaker 3: So last night new APO came out which said that

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Speaker 3: at one point I read it, he said that he

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Speaker 3: wrote anti fas super soldier on his like armor either

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Speaker 3: I think it was in the army or maybe back

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Speaker 3: in the Marines. So we now have a candidate who

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Speaker 9: They call it a full platner.

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Speaker 4: The full Platner.

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Speaker 3: Now, the way that this was revealed is that at

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Speaker 3: his sister in law's wedding and he talked about this

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Speaker 3: on pod Save America. He performed a Miley Cyrus song

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Speaker 3: with his shirt off and somebody and that's how people notice,

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what's this gull and Crossbones you got

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Speaker 3: of grand Platter performing Miley Cyrus. Okay, so I over

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Speaker 3: promised and underdelivered here. We can't actually play this because

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Speaker 3: YouTube is going to take down the video. If we

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Speaker 3: played some Miley Cyrus, you will just you know the

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Speaker 3: song though, this is wrecking Ball. This is Graham Platner

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Speaker 3: singing wrecking Ball to his entire family.

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Speaker 9: You said he was shirtless, he is also pantless.

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Speaker 3: And he said those are his marine Silky's.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely hammered and sege Miley Cyrus. That's how people found

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Speaker 8: the tattoo. And Ryan, you keep mentioning OPO shorthand for

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Speaker 8: opposition research, meaning that another campaign has pays people to

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Speaker 8: So maybe they're still sitting on stuff. Maybe they did

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Speaker 8: this because Janet Mills, as soon as she announced their

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Speaker 8: candidacy got this predictable wave of backlash for being seventy

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Speaker 8: about Democrats hiding Biden's infirmities. So the OPO comes out

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Speaker 8: right away. That's what this APPO very clearly is. We

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Speaker 8: discussed last week. Chrystal and I discussed last week how

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Speaker 8: bizarre it was when Platner's old p Hustle Reddit posts

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Speaker 8: anybody seemingly knew he had a career. Someone unless there's

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Speaker 8: a way on the Internet to go back and make

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Speaker 8: they were posted one hour ago, three days ago, and

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Speaker 8: screenshot them when they popped in the k file CNN story.

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Speaker 9: It looks like somebody screenshot at.

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Speaker 8: Them years ago, and maybe he had some enemies that

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Speaker 3: It was wayback machine capturing them. Could that have been it?

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's pretty hard to believe that wayback Machine

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Speaker 8: was capturing things in a way that showed up as

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Speaker 8: three hours ago from twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I don't know, it's all weird, but that is just

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Speaker 8: to say this is opposition research very clearly.

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Speaker 9: It's not.

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Speaker 8: Oh absolutely people organically stumbling into these videos. And Plattner

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Speaker 8: preempted it by going on pod save and releasing the

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Speaker 8: video himself.

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Speaker 9: It was a pretty smart move.

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Speaker 3: And releasing it all right after Mills announces her run

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Speaker 3: just was kind of an in your face, like, this

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Speaker 3: is zoppo from us and it's not obvious yet. You

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Speaker 3: know how this is going to play out. The DC

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Speaker 3: political class is telling me he's cooked. They told me

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump was cooked Bobby thirty five different times

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Speaker 3: or more than that.

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Speaker 9: And Trump is singular of course.

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Speaker 3: Now his former political director, who seems to have had

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Speaker 3: a real falling out and has left the campaign.

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Speaker 4: We can put up this next element. Genevieve MacDonald.

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Speaker 3: She wrote, I've run out of self restraint worse than

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Speaker 3: when I don't even Actually I don't know what's going

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Speaker 3: on with the reddeats. Maybe you can tell me this,

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Speaker 3: but Graham has an anti Semitic tattoo on his chest.

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Speaker 4: He's not an.

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Speaker 3: Idiot, he's a military history buff. Maybe he didn't know

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Speaker 3: it when he got it, but he got it years ago,

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Speaker 3: and he should have had it covered up because he

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Speaker 3: knows damn well what it means. His campaign released it

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Speaker 3: themselves to some podcast bros, along with a video of

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Speaker 3: him shirtless and drunk at a wedding to try to get.

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Speaker 4: Ahead of it.

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Speaker 3: The vault is open for the GOP to effing crush

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Speaker 3: any dreams we had in the general and literally everyone

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Speaker 3: I know is fighting with each other on social media.

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Speaker 3: We cannot be this painfully stupid. And so the best

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Speaker 3: argument I've heard has been, yeah, okay, Like, it seems

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Speaker 3: extremely plausible that some drunken marines walked in and got

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Speaker 3: a skull and crossbones to but you should you should

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Speaker 3: cover it up once it once you realized what it is.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a reasonable criticism, unless you're doing some

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Speaker 3: like grateful dead subversion, where like we're rejecting the potency

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Speaker 3: of this thing by like draining it of its meaning.

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Speaker 4: I don't like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So we got you know, but now, according to Platner,

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Speaker 3: he only just learned of this. According to some reporting

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Speaker 3: from anonymous acquaintances of his from ten years ago, he

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Speaker 3: used to be shirtless in the tune in which I.

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Speaker 4: Never saw you never saw that. I saw that.

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Speaker 3: And would talk about it that that he kind of

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Speaker 3: knew he had accidentally gotten this thing, but it knew

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Speaker 3: what it was by ten years ago.

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Speaker 8: But the idea that it makes him a secret Nazi

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Speaker 8: is completely insane.

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Speaker 3: Now, would it would make him kind of an idiot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah maybe or something like that or reckless like not

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Speaker 3: getting rid of it, but go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Well, he clearly never thought that he was going to

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Speaker 8: sort of I don't know if this is probably too derogatory,

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Speaker 8: but kind of a fail son who was bopping around

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Speaker 9: The horrors of Fallujah.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, it's like, probably it was bartending and probably

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Speaker 8: ruining his career by telling this amusing story on how

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Speaker 8: the point is this has become a political controversy because

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Speaker 8: Is not surprising if your Janet Mills, of course you're

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Speaker 8: using this. Does Janet Mills literally think Graham Platner is

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Speaker 8: Is she trying to convince the people of Maine that

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Speaker 8: he's a secret Nazi. Yes, that is completely insane. And

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Speaker 8: this entire, this entire controversy with his Reddit posts will

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Speaker 8: have you believe that he's some type of anarchist and

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Speaker 8: also that he's a communist and a Nazi because he's

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Speaker 8: has a tattoo. No, he's literally just like a stoner

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Speaker 8: who posted all kinds of like his musings on the

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Speaker 8: what makes politics so insufferable is that this entire DC

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Speaker 8: any normal American who wants to get into politics, because

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Speaker 8: normal Americans are not perfectly polished.

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Speaker 9: They're not.

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Speaker 8: Margine Taylor Green and Grim Plattner like, they're not used

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Speaker 8: to being scripted political robots. And that comes with some

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Speaker 8: genuine baggage, Like it's genuinely baggage that you have an

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Speaker 8: Tazzi tattoo.

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Speaker 9: You should have gotten rid of that shit.

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Speaker 4: Instead of skeletons in the closet.

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Speaker 3: You got skeletons inked on your Justin on the and

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Speaker 3: I would say, just ethically, like if if anybody has

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Speaker 3: learn that, you should you should cover it up. Like

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Speaker 3: that's what I would do about it if I had that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if he just.

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Speaker 3: Learned about it now, maybe he will get it covered up.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Now from a political perspective, I don't think that you

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Speaker 3: disqualify a candidate. And we're going to talk in a

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Speaker 3: moment to Rocan about this, who has endorsed Platter. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that if the Democratic Party wants to get

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Speaker 3: become a majoritarian party again and get normal people and

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Speaker 3: particularly men to support them, they cannot say that if

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Speaker 3: you have bad posts on Reddit or mistakes in your past,

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Speaker 3: that you can't run in the future, because then all

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Speaker 3: you're going to get is Pete Buddha judges. And actually

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Speaker 3: it appears to be a Pete Buddha judge, a guy

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Speaker 3: from Pete Booda Judges orbit who's been doing this.

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Speaker 4: OPO will have more reporting on that soon.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise you you become just a party of pets. Mayor

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Speaker 5: Here, are you supporting Governor Janet Mills in the primary,

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Speaker 11: Look, got to let the people of Maine decide the second.

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Speaker 9: Now that's not.

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Speaker 12: I don't think they understand how disconnected the Beltway is

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Speaker 12: Democratic voters want new leaders And why do they want

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Speaker 3: What about the argument from Schumer that it's just too

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Speaker 12: We tried to say for alternative last the time against

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Speaker 7: It's for main voters to decide.

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Speaker 12: Let them decide, they'll be able to factor in electability.

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Speaker 12: You don't need to do oppo dumps and put your

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Speaker 7: Let there be a contest as it is. Mills starts

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Speaker 12: She has more name mighty, she's a two Trump governor,

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Speaker 7: Do you really need to do the APO dump?

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Speaker 12: Well, I am getting some point back, And what I

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Speaker 7: And really that's the question.

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Speaker 12: And if you want all my ill law school buddies

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Speaker 4: We need to, and we'll see what he does about it.

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Speaker 12: Finally, what's beneficial to him is the sense that the

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Speaker 7: It's more about a test of how you handle it.

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Speaker 7: So it's less about what Graham Platner said.

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Speaker 8: Last question for me, Ryan is posted to the effect

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Speaker 7: I think it is a big test. It's a test

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Speaker 12: So much of the Democratic brand right now is anti Trump.

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Speaker 3: he said that actually this is an homage to the

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Speaker 3: Aza Battalion or I'm going to cover it up with

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Speaker 3: an A brigade tattoo.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that would kind of get get him?

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Speaker 3: Because the party establishment it seems okay with Nazi regalia

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Speaker 3: in some circumstances.

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Speaker 12: Right, And I think only point zero zero one percent

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Speaker 12: of the American people would understand that.

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Speaker 4: They're all in Washington, d c.

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Speaker 7: But I led a letter a long.

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Speaker 12: Time ago talking about that issue in Ukraine and how

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Speaker 12: we needed to confront that anti Semitism. I think the

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Speaker 12: way Platter is dealing with it though it's fine, which

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Speaker 12: is to say I regret it, I'm going.

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Speaker 7: To remove it.

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Speaker 12: It was something that I'm not proud of, but that

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Speaker 12: there are a lot of people like him who do

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Speaker 12: things that they regret, and the question is how they

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Speaker 12: grow and what type of person they are.

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Speaker 7: But you know, look, I.

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Speaker 12: Don't agree with a lot of President Clinton's politics today

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Speaker 12: in terms of some.

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Speaker 7: Of the policies.

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Speaker 12: But one of the things he said, and you ensure

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Speaker 12: is they're making it all about my character and I'm

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Speaker 12: making it all about yours. I'm going to be doing

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Speaker 12: this to see what is in it for you? And

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Speaker 12: what we can do for you. Richard Nixon famously said

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Speaker 12: American politicians are like toilet fixtures.

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Speaker 7: They don't have to look beautiful. People just want to

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Speaker 7: make sure they work.

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Speaker 12: And ultimately, what people are judged on is what is

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Speaker 12: your ideas for approving the material lives of America? And

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Speaker 12: the American pre game is done, what if your lives

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Speaker 12: for taking on power? And I think that's where the

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Speaker 12: election is going to be one or loss.

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Speaker 3: I think you said President Clinton. I think you meant

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Speaker 3: President Trump that one. Yeah. But Congress and Conna, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for joining us. This is a fascinating

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Speaker 3: moment for Democrats. Really appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you, appreciate it all.

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Speaker 4: Right. Up next, Kren Jean Pierre.

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Speaker 8: Former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre is on

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Speaker 8: a book tour selling her new book called Independent, which

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Speaker 8: is out and doesn't seem to be demonstrating much independence.

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Speaker 8: We have an incredible mashup of Karan Jean Pierre reacting

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Speaker 8: to various people in the media who are now pretending

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Speaker 8: to be very tough on this question of Biden's health

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Speaker 8: cover up.

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Speaker 9: So let's go ahead and roll E.

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Speaker 8: One to see how Karine Jean Pierre is taking these questions.

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Speaker 13: I got to see Joe Biden almost every day, and

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Speaker 13: this is a question.

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Speaker 9: That I take very serious.

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Speaker 13: I want everybody to know that I take this question

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Speaker 13: incredibly seriously.

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Speaker 9: I do.

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Speaker 13: I take this so seriously.

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Speaker 9: I take this so seriously. She's so bad at this.

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Speaker 3: She was so bad.

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Speaker 9: That's right, she's serious.

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Speaker 8: At least we know that, but she's like, this is

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Speaker 8: why she was a I think she's actually one of

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Speaker 8: the worst White House press secretaries, not for any political reasons,

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Speaker 8: but just it was so I mean, with her, you

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Speaker 8: always felt the trick if your press secretary is to

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Speaker 8: use the talking points without sounding like you're on the

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Speaker 8: talking points. You always know that she's like reading off

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Speaker 8: a script in her head when she's doing it, and

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Speaker 8: it sounds so inauthentic.

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Speaker 9: And dare I.

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Speaker 8: Say Unindependent just the title of a book she's selling

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Speaker 8: by saying the Democratic Party was insufficiently pro Biden. That

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Speaker 8: is her take in this book that the party was

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Speaker 8: not loyal enough to Joe Biden, which is why she's

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Speaker 8: no longer a Democrat but is now identifying as an independent.

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Speaker 8: Just an incredible concept. We were talking about the Galaxy

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Speaker 8: Brain take earlier. This is a real Galaxy Brain at

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Speaker 8: book length take from Cream Jumpier.

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Speaker 3: It's not working. I just checked the Amazon page. The

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Speaker 3: book came out yesterday at one hundred and ninety two pages,

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Speaker 3: which is extremely thin, by the way, for a book

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Speaker 3: they want about thirty bucks for it. Its rank is

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Speaker 3: currently twenty four and seven for a book that was

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Speaker 3: on an author who was on Colbert.

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Speaker 4: The view.

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Speaker 3: All of these other things that we're showing you here

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Speaker 3: like that, that's not good.

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Speaker 4: That twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Thousand means you maybe sold fifty copies or one hundred

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Speaker 3: copies on Amazon over the last day. Like, that's just

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Speaker 3: a rough gauge. It's not good. I think we have

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Speaker 3: a couple more we can do.

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Speaker 4: E two.

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Speaker 3: Here she is on Colbert, where she got There aren't

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Speaker 3: many Democrats to get a rough ride on Colbert, but

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Speaker 3: she kind of did. Let's roll E two.

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Speaker 14: I saw a guy who I had not seen backstage

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Speaker 14: at the benefit that I did. Seemed like a dramatically

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Speaker 14: different person, and at eighty one years old, that's not

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Speaker 14: entirely unexpected.

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Speaker 9: You can imagine why people got so worried.

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Speaker 13: So a couple of things I got to see Joe

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Speaker 13: Biden almost every day, and this is a question that

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Speaker 13: I take very seriously. I never no one has ever

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Speaker 13: said he has an age. No one ever said that

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Speaker 13: he would make jokes about it. He would acknowledge it,

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Speaker 13: and he would say, yes, I know. I don't speak

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Speaker 13: this as well as I used to. I don't walk

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Speaker 13: as well as I used to. No one is saying

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Speaker 13: that he didn't age. I'm talking about was he did

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Speaker 13: he have the questions that I was getting, the mental acuity.

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Speaker 9: Was he able to govern?

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Speaker 13: And the man that I saw nearly every day was

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Speaker 13: someone who was engaging, understood policy, and was always putting

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Speaker 13: the American people first. And it showed. It showed in

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Speaker 13: what we were able to get done.

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Speaker 14: I remember I were going to be a questioned his

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Speaker 14: heart or his policies, but it takes more than that

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Speaker 14: to be the President the United States. And in a

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Speaker 14: moment of great pressure on stage, we saw someone shock

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Speaker 14: us and worry us, and nothing could assuage that worry.

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Speaker 14: So I don't think it was necessarily a betrayal of

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Speaker 14: Joe Biden, as other people saying, we don't think we

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Speaker 14: were shown Joe Biden, that you saw.

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Speaker 13: I saw every day a really ugly assault on someone

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Speaker 13: who had fifty plus years of experience and who again objectively,

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Speaker 13: had done a good job as President of the United States,

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Speaker 13: and it was heartbreaking to see that type of behavior.

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Speaker 14: I think all of that, everything you're saying, I cannot

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Speaker 14: fault the factual basis of what you're saying or your

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Speaker 14: feelings about it. But what happened was the debate performance.

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Speaker 13: Everything is downstream of that, And no one is saying

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Speaker 13: that the debate performance wasn't shocking.

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Speaker 9: Was it a disappointment. No one is saying it's such

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Speaker 9: a light I use your I use your world.

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Speaker 14: Look listen, we're never going to agree on this.

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Speaker 3: And she also appeared on CBS Sunday Morning and with

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Speaker 3: Tim Miller will Throw Me three.

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Speaker 13: You even write koreeen that you were on the plane

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Speaker 13: with him going to the debate and you didn't see anything. Well,

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Speaker 13: when we were on the Air Force one going on

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Speaker 13: the going to the debate, you got to remember his

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Speaker 13: campaign people were on the team, his family was on

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Speaker 13: the team. I actually was one of those rare trips

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Speaker 13: that I didn't really see him until after the debate,

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Speaker 13: even though I was on the plane so really I

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Speaker 13: take I want everybody to know that I take this

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Speaker 13: question incredibly seriously.

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Speaker 9: I do.

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Speaker 13: I was his White House Press secretary, which means I

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Speaker 13: had a role that saw him practically every day and

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Speaker 13: traveled with him. You saw for more than ninety five percent.

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Speaker 13: We've always said, we're not going to say, oh, he

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Speaker 13: didn't age.

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Speaker 10: He aged, and.

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Speaker 9: He poked fun at it.

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Speaker 13: We always owned up and with age comes what happens

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Speaker 13: when you get older, which is what I I But

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Speaker 13: when we talk about the mental acuity, and again I

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Speaker 13: take this very very seriously, I never saw anyone who

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Speaker 13: wasn't there. I saw someone who was always engaged. I

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Speaker 13: saw someone who understood policy, pushed us on the policy,

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Speaker 13: and also understood history.

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Speaker 10: And he.

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Speaker 7: Couldn't talk about.

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Speaker 13: Wait, first of all, First of all, you're he did

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Speaker 13: talk about them, whether it broke through or not.

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Speaker 9: He did, Tim, he did talk.

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Speaker 10: About because he talked way less to the press than

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump does when he wasn't out there at all.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't good off the cuff.

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Speaker 7: Let's just be real.

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Speaker 13: That's not true. Tim, You're conflating all of it. That's

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Speaker 13: what you're No. You're first, you're telling me he didn't

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Speaker 13: talk well about it, then you're telling me he didn't.

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Speaker 12: Talk at all.

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Speaker 7: He didn't do either.

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Speaker 10: He didn't talk very often, and when he did, it

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Speaker 10: wasn't very good.

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Speaker 13: We weren't paying attention to what we were doing at

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Speaker 13: the White House, but.

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Speaker 7: I paid attention to that. I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: Performance for KJP to try to tell the American public,

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Speaker 3: or tell American public through Tim Miller that he addressed

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Speaker 3: the press frequently and did so with the plumb incredible.

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Speaker 3: She does not take this seriously, despite her claims repeatedly

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Speaker 3: to the contrary.

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Speaker 8: Does she think she takes it seriously? I mean, that's like,

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Speaker 8: what does she think anybody is buying this? What is

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Speaker 8: the market for this that she thinks exists? It's like,

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Speaker 8: actually really impossible to imagine. The only reason, by the

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Speaker 8: way she's getting tough questions now, I actually think this

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Speaker 8: might explain some of it is she doesn't expect to

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Speaker 8: be treated this way by the media because she really

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Speaker 8: never was when she had any power. Right when she

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Speaker 8: was in charge of the Biden White House's communications, everyone

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Speaker 8: was bullied out of covering Biden's health. Every single network

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Speaker 8: that is now acting as though she's the worst person

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Speaker 8: in the world was intimidated by her because she said,

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Speaker 8: we aren't give you access if you report on this.

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Speaker 8: We're not like, listen to what Alex Thompson has said

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Speaker 8: about this. That's how people who tried to cover that

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Speaker 8: story were treated by the Biden White House. Now that

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Speaker 8: she has no power because she is so attached to

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Speaker 8: the Biden legacy and the Biden brand, which is out

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Speaker 8: of favor in the Democratic Party. The Biden's no longer

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Speaker 8: have power in the Democratic Party. It's only then that

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Speaker 8: people in the media turn on her. And I don't

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Speaker 8: think she was expecting it. I don't think she is

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Speaker 8: used to being treated this way by the media. In fact,

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Speaker 8: in one of those interviews, she clutches. It was a

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Speaker 8: morning Joe. She clutches. They said, she goes, I'm a

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Speaker 8: black queer woman and people like me get taken for granted,

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Speaker 8: as though it would be her shield from tough criticism.

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Speaker 8: But Biden's are out of power. They don't have any

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Speaker 8: clout left in the dumb Party. So she said, like

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Speaker 8: actually not being treated with kid gloves and withering under it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The theme of the book is that the party betrayed

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Speaker 3: the party betrayed Joe Biden. But I think you're right

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Speaker 3: that she feels a sense of betrayal as well, or

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Speaker 3: maybe primarily.

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Speaker 4: And also that entire theme.

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Speaker 3: Raises a question of entitlement, like why is Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: entitled to a second term when he didn't even he

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Speaker 3: betrayed the American people by suggesting to them that he

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Speaker 3: was going to be a bridge to the next generation,

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Speaker 3: he was going to be a one term candidate and

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Speaker 3: then barreled ahead trying to run. If there was a betrayal,

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Speaker 3: he's the one that carried out the betrayal. But the

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Speaker 3: idea that of a betrayal requires the public owing him something,

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Speaker 3: and no politician has owed anything, so that the whole

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Speaker 3: premise kind of falls apart there.

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Speaker 8: I think that has to I mean, that's the only

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Speaker 8: way that I can explain what's happening with Koreean drump

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Speaker 8: Pierre so.

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Speaker 9: God.

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Speaker 8: He looked up the book sales, so I was wondering

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Speaker 8: how it was doing after seeing.

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Speaker 3: All of this, I just checked ten Vogel's book is

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Speaker 3: doing better.

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Speaker 8: Let's go all right, Well, get another reminder to tune

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Speaker 8: in for our weekend interview with Ken Vogel. I was

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Speaker 8: going to say, we'll continue to follow the story in

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Speaker 8: the future, but I doubt we will.

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Speaker 4: Let's hope here we don't.

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Speaker 3: All right up next to John Powers, CEO of Clean Capital,

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Speaker 3: to talk about why you're paying so much in your

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Speaker 3: electric bill. Democrats are pushing back hard against the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration for canceling billions of dollars worth of energy projects.

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Speaker 3: If we can put up the first element on the

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Speaker 3: screen here, Martin Heinrich, the top Democrat on the Energy Committee,

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Speaker 3: is saying that as a result of the cancelation of

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Speaker 3: over seven billion dollars worth of contracts, we're going to

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Speaker 3: see staggering increases in energy prices for the American people.

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Speaker 4: And he argues that they're done.

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Speaker 3: They're canceled completely illegally because contracts, the money had already

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Speaker 3: been appropriated by the Biden administration, and contracts had already

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Speaker 3: been reached on these projects. He also noted that coincidentally,

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Speaker 3: two hundred and eighteen of the two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: three projects, arranging from battery storage to hydrogen solar, we're

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Speaker 3: in states with Democratic governors.

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Speaker 4: Shocking.

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Speaker 3: Now, energy that's produced in blue states, by the way,

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Speaker 3: does go out to red states. But whatever, anyway, I

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Speaker 3: put up this next element. This is on the heels

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Speaker 3: of this the Trump administration's cancelation of the largest what

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Speaker 3: was going to be the largest solar con solar facility

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Speaker 3: in the countries would produce six point two gigawatts of

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Speaker 3: energy when it was finished. That's enough to power two

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Speaker 3: million homes. This was out in the in the Southwest,

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Speaker 3: which is like everybody energy starved. So to walk us

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Speaker 3: through you know what all what all this means is

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Speaker 3: John Powers. He's the CEO of Clean Capital and he's

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Speaker 3: joining us to joining us this morning.

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Speaker 4: John, Welcome to Breaking Points.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me and so so, John,

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Speaker 3: can you talk to us a little bit about what

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Speaker 3: the energy industry is facing broadly, but the and clean

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Speaker 3: energy industry in particular over the last year.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean the last six months in particular have

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Speaker 10: been incredibly challenging really from an understanding of where we're going.

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Speaker 10: You know, we have invested over a billion a half

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Speaker 10: dollars in over twenty seven states. We've built over half

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Speaker 10: a gig go out worth of projects and are selling

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Speaker 10: to customers that want to buy our electricity, everyone from

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Speaker 10: fortune hundreds to folks buying community solar. The reality is

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Speaker 10: there's a massive demand for what we do, but the

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Speaker 10: policy uncertainty that this administration is putting in front of

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Speaker 10: us really has put huge roadblocks into getting projects built.

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Speaker 10: In finance. The reality is, though, that as electricity prices

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Speaker 10: continue to rise in this country, and they are rising

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Speaker 10: for a very simple reason, there's a growing demand like

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Speaker 10: we've never seen before. Right the last twenty years, we've

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Speaker 10: got a pretty steady state demand in this country. But

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Speaker 10: because the data centers and other electrification of everything efforts,

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Speaker 10: electricity prices are going up significantly. Here in Buffalo where

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Speaker 10: I am, they expected twenty percent rate height next year.

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Speaker 10: So what we're doing is adjusting to that new reality

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Speaker 10: and looking to where we and how we can build projects.

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Speaker 9: Which Biden Bill was at the IRA, I forget. I

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Speaker 9: always mix up.

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Speaker 4: The IRA BBB IRA.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, BBBB game IRA, and then there's the OBBB at

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Speaker 8: this administration. But tell us maybe a little bit about

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Speaker 8: how with the IRA credits there were some adaptations that

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Speaker 8: had to be made afterwards to get stuff actually built

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Speaker 8: and off of the ground.

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Speaker 9: And that was in the process when.

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Speaker 8: The Trump administration came in and canceled a lot of this,

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Speaker 8: So what is your Maybe you can give us a

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Speaker 8: sense of sort of the trajectory or the plateau might

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Speaker 8: be a better word to use at this point.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, hopefully it's not a plateau first of all. And

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Speaker 10: I think we have to even step back further than

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Speaker 10: the Biden legislation from a few years ago and look

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Speaker 10: at what's happened of the last decade in this Really

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Speaker 10: it was a truly a nascent industry and is you know,

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Speaker 10: looking back as far as twenty ten, and what has

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Speaker 10: happened as policy is aligned, technology has proven out and

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Speaker 10: finance has really moved behind this industry. We've seen it

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Speaker 10: grow and the demand for the power that we produce

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Speaker 10: is significant. So when major corporations like Walmart, where the

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Speaker 10: tech companies and others are signing long term power arrangements

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Speaker 10: for electricity today, they never did that fifteen years ago, right,

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Speaker 10: they just bought in the utility. But they're seeing better

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Speaker 10: ways of budget their electricity. When you think about things

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Speaker 10: like solar, right, the input to the solar the sun

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Speaker 10: doesn't change, so you can really budget out your power.

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Speaker 10: Over twenty years, those economics have really proved themselves out.

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Speaker 10: It's brought efficiency to our market. We've gotten better at

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Speaker 10: being able to build these things and get them in

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Speaker 10: the ground, and as a result, our market is really flourished.

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Speaker 10: And unfortunately, you know, we were at a really amazing

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Speaker 10: point literally at the beginning of this year, where we went,

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Speaker 10: for instance, from fourteenth in the world in solar manufacturing

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Speaker 10: the third because incentives behind things like the IRA We're

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Speaker 10: getting manufacturing built. By the way, in many Republican districts.

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Speaker 10: The governor Georgia is a great example of someone who

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Speaker 10: took wild advantage of this and went to an area

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Speaker 10: in Georgia where it was literally dying. It was at

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Speaker 10: the carpet center of the world that was dying from manufacturing,

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Speaker 10: attracted major solar manufacturers and now we will be a

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Speaker 10: net exporter of solar panels. We were at least on

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Speaker 10: track to do that in the next two years, right,

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Speaker 10: So those policies were working. This administration forecasted a year

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Speaker 10: ago and Trump was in Houston and raised a billion

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Speaker 10: dollars from the fossil pool and ort said, of the

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Speaker 10: fossil fool executives, give me a billion dollars, I'm gonna

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Speaker 10: save your industry. Put a fracking executive in charge of

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Speaker 10: the Department of Energy and now has it been doing

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Speaker 10: everything they can to slow the role of the of

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Speaker 10: what is in solar a seventy billion dollar industry. Right,

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Speaker 10: So back to your question, we now have a new

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Speaker 10: policy landscape to execute under and from clean Capital's perspective,

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Speaker 10: we're looking at where and how we can invest in projects. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 10: you know it's they've narrowed the scope or where we

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Speaker 10: can go. But it doesn't mean we're not building projects.

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Speaker 10: We just had a ribbon cutting yesterday here in western

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Speaker 10: New York where we put solar on a brown field

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Speaker 10: that was at one point one of the most polluted

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Speaker 10: parts of the entire country.

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Speaker 3: So what Trump will say is that, look, wind and

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Speaker 3: solar is a scam. Energy should be something that you

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Speaker 3: make money from, not something that you have to subsidize.

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Speaker 3: So what is the what is the counter argument to

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Speaker 3: his claim there?

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, they're wildly subs poss fuel has

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Speaker 10: been subsidized for one hundred plus year, so that the

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Speaker 10: scam is actually the opposite. Right, we are have spent

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Speaker 10: billions of not trillions, in fossil fuel subsidies. So let's

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Speaker 10: just start off with Yeah, let's have a level playing field,

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Speaker 10: and we you know we are. We are bringing infrastructure

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Speaker 10: capital to grow things like solar and storage that was

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Speaker 10: not done ten years ago. Right, it was a high

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Speaker 10: risk market. But this is growing worldwide. You know, I

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Speaker 10: would hold up myself phone route and tell you this

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Speaker 10: is where the world's going in terms of mobile phones.

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Speaker 10: If we try to go back to the phone that

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Speaker 10: was connected to the wall, because that's what the President

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Speaker 10: wanted to do, almost would be up in arms.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 10: That's the transition that's happening right now in energy, And

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Speaker 10: the question is do we want to be the world

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Speaker 10: leaders in this or do we want to go back

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Speaker 10: to trying to get things done in a way that

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Speaker 10: and often Ryan, I heard you talk about in the

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Speaker 10: Data Center show a while back. You know, it takes

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Speaker 10: seven to ten years to build things like a natural

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Speaker 10: gas plant or a nuclear plant. The demand we have

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Speaker 10: is growing super fast. The cheapest fastest way to do

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Speaker 10: it as renewables, and we can bring all of those

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Speaker 10: electrons to the grid regardless, So let us compete and

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Speaker 10: we'll win. But they're putting handcuffs on us. You know.

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Speaker 10: This BLM cancelation is a good example, right, They're They're

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Speaker 10: looking at a project that has really taken it probably

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Speaker 10: hundreds of millions of dollars an investment, ready to go,

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Speaker 10: and they're cutting it off for purely political reasons. And that,

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Speaker 10: unfortunately is going to cost the electricity payers in that

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Speaker 10: region significantly because that new power isn't going to come

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Speaker 10: online and there's nothing to replace it in the near term.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so can you talk a little bit about that

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Speaker 3: the handcuffs. So, I think that is the best pushback

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Speaker 3: to Trump where he says, hey, you know.

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Speaker 4: No subsidies. Everybody should have to compete.

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Speaker 3: But taking a project that had hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars in an investment and approvals, or taking these two

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty three contracts that were doled out and

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Speaker 3: just canceling them doesn't that That doesn't sound like a

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Speaker 3: level playing field to me. But what else, what else

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Speaker 3: in a regulatory framework is happening that is making it

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Speaker 3: not just that you're on a level playing field, but

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Speaker 3: it's that it's actively handicapping you against the fossil fuel industry.

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Speaker 10: It's that uncertainty, right, And when we think about the

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Speaker 10: way you invest in anything, whether it be renewable energy

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Speaker 10: or a new technology or building real estate. Right, the

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Speaker 10: less uncertainty, the more capital will flow to that market.

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Speaker 10: They've entered uncertainty around the tax credits, around how you're

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Speaker 10: going to look at something called FIAC, which is like

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Speaker 10: where you're getting it's a very in the weez thing

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Speaker 10: and the policy, but it's you know, whether or not

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Speaker 10: we can get any any part of a system from China.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 10: You know, American manufacturings ramped up significantly, but still within

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Speaker 10: the supply chain, there's still bits that come from from China.

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Speaker 10: So how do we address that? And if you're going

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Speaker 10: to put that handicap on us, let's also put it

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Speaker 10: in the fossil fool industry. Good luck building a natural

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Speaker 10: gas plant today that no bit of that natural gas

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Speaker 10: plant comes from from China.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 10: Those are the type of handicaps that they're trying to implement.

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Speaker 10: And the sector of energy knows what he's doing, right.

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Speaker 10: He is an extremist who's come in to try to

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Speaker 10: handicap this industry and he's doing everything he can to do.

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Speaker 8: So one thing I have heard often from people in

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Speaker 8: the solar industry, and I'm curious if you can elaborate

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Speaker 8: on this. A bit is that the technology is what

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Speaker 8: advancements in the technology would surprise most people if they

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Speaker 8: realize kind of the potential and like it's actually I say,

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Speaker 8: this is somebody on the right who likes the idea

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Speaker 8: of your solar because it gets you off the grid, right,

884
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 8: like you can if you have your own solar capability.

885
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 8: Is there's just you know, there's something independent about that,

886
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 8: if you're able to run your home onn solar or

887
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 8: something like that. But one of the things that I

888
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 8: hear a lot is this is like leaps and bounds.

889
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 8: Like when we're looking into the immediate future of solar,

890
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 8: it's really really promising in ways that maybe people don't recognize.

891
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 9: Could you tell us a little bit about whether that's true.

892
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, So first, and the technology piece, and I want

893
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 10: to get to the political piece of a second, because you

894
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 10: raise a really interesting point. So the technology piece leaps

895
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 10: and bounds forward. We are, for instance, we built solar

896
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 10: in Alaska right recently. If you had asked me when

897
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 10: we started this company ten years ago, if that was possible,

898
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 10: no way, right. But now, for instance, the panels cannot

899
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 10: just take the sun from the top, but they take

900
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 10: it as reflected from the bottom, really driving up efficiency.

901
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 10: Energy storage has come such a long way, and it's

902
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 10: being implemented across the grid, and we will be a

903
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 10: key piece of stabilizing the grid. You know, just in

904
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 10: the last few years that technology is accelerated to a

905
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 10: point that it's being you know, there's almost a lack

906
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 10: of batteries right now that so many people need it

907
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 10: to help stabilize the grid. But back to the political

908
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 10: piece for a second. This should not be a Republican

909
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 10: and democratic issue. You know, I think one of the

910
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 10: things that is lost in the big beautiful bill debate.

911
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 10: This summer twenty two House Republicans signed a letter saying,

912
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 10: don't touch the tax credits. We need them. If this

913
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 10: was a standalone energy bill, that would not have passed.

914
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 7: Right.

915
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 10: The genius of the administration, I'll give them credit for this,

916
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 10: was flooding the zone with salt right, the state taxes, medicaid,

917
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 10: putting these folks in an uncomfortable position to decide how

918
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 10: they're going to vote. We have to continue to build

919
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 10: a port on both sides, obviously in the Republican side

920
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 10: more right now, to continue to show that this technology

921
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 10: has proven. Texas is the fastest growing solar state in

922
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 10: the nation. Why is it the vastest growing solar state

923
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 10: in the nation two years ago?

924
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: Pope?

925
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 10: What was a death because the grid was unstable?

926
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 7: Right?

927
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 10: Recently the head of the national group that manages the

928
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 10: grid's reliability said it's because of solar and storage that

929
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 10: Texas's grid is back to being stable.

930
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 4: Right.

931
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 10: Those are the leaders that we should be listening to

932
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 10: in this debate, not some of the extremists that are

933
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 10: pushing sort of anti renewable policies instead of all the

934
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 10: above policies and pragmatic energy policies that will move us forward.

935
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: And so the bottom line seems to be that if

936
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Speaker 3: you want to build nuclear or natural gas turbines, natural gas,

937
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: you're looking at seven seven years.

938
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: Nuclear you would be extremely lucky.

939
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: But given our track record to get something online within

940
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: seven years, so let's even say it's that. Whereas when

941
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 3: in solar we're talking what how long to get from

942
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: like starting to get it.

943
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 10: Up, Yeah, eighteen months to two years. I mean it's

944
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 10: for you. For distributed solar, big utility projects like the

945
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 10: one that got canceled, sometimes could take four plus depending

946
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 10: on transmission. But it's much quicker, and it's really a

947
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 10: local game at that point on how to get it

948
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 10: interconnected and where you know. The transition that's happening to

949
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 10: the grid is we're going from these massive centralized systems

950
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 10: that provided power and it was distributed across the country

951
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 10: to a much more distributed type of production, so we

952
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 10: can move quicker, get those things plugged in closer to

953
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 10: the end use of the power.

954
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 13: Right.

955
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 10: That transition has been underway for about fifteen or twenty years. Unfortunately,

956
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 10: these guys are slowing that transition by trying to go

957
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 10: back to that centralized system which has proven unstable. Right,

958
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 10: we want stability. We need to move from again. We're

959
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 10: moving to this right from the telecon age of Mabel, right,

960
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 10: and we have to continue that transition because the rest

961
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 10: of the world is and if we don't, we're going to.

962
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 4: Be left beyond and so correct me if I'm wrong.

963
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: The way that.

964
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: Get you end up getting your electric bill is a

965
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: product of supply and demand, where the utility gauges what

966
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: the supply is that they have now and what they

967
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: forecast will be the supply in the future, against the

968
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: demand that they have now and the demand that they

969
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: expect in the future, and then they go to their

970
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: regulators and they say, here's what we need to charge

971
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: to make this work. So the supply, the only way

972
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: to bring new supply on with any quickness seems to

973
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: be to rely on these clean energy technologies because they

974
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: can move faster. On the demand side, we seem to

975
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: be building data centers everywhere all the time, and so

976
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: the demand is going through the roof. So it and

977
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: then tell me about the because you mentioned the tax credits.

978
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: My understanding was that the in the IRA tax credits

979
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: went something like twenty thirty years because these, as you mentioned,

980
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: these projects take so long to get on and if

981
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: you're going to make a multi billion dollar investment, this

982
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: is something you care about for decades or maybe fifteen

983
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: twenty years. Whereas the one big beautiful bill cut those

984
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: credits and they cut off at what twenty thirty or

985
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: something like that. So, yeah, it's not exactly how that

986
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: actually end. Yeah, So, first of all, a utility question,

987
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: your right is to supply and demand issue, and right

988
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 3: now demand is far our stripping supply. That's why utilities

989
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: are having to ask for rate heights. You mentioned in

990
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: a previous episode.

991
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 10: The data centers are driving that, and we need every

992
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 10: type of supply we can to counteract that. If we

993
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 10: wait seven years for a natural gas plant, everyone's going

994
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 10: to be paid. Electricity bills are a top political issue today.

995
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 10: You're seeing it in New Jersey the governor's race. It's

996
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 10: going to be there. It is going to be the

997
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 10: egg prices of the midterms. Right, and the Trump administration

998
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 10: knows that. That's why they're out blaming us when that's

999
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 10: not the reality. But going back to your previous question

1000
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 10: on the tax credits, this is one of the things

1001
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 10: I was very active on Capitol Hill this spring because

1002
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 10: there's a lack of understanding of finance in the policy

1003
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 10: making realm in Washington.

1004
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 7: Right.

1005
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 10: The tax credits are something that are you know, so

1006
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 10: as we build a project today, we can go to

1007
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 10: a tax payer and they can get a credit to

1008
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 10: invest that money into this type of project. They can

1009
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 10: also do it for low income housing and other things.

1010
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 7: Right.

1011
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 10: This is a tool that's been used for decades to

1012
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 10: incentivize certain type of growth.

1013
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 7: Right.

1014
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 10: What happens is, though when we're building projects, when we're

1015
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 10: looking out to you know, it takes us two years

1016
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 10: to get something built. But we're financing it today, right,

1017
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 10: so we are looking at it when those tax when's

1018
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 10: that tax credit cliff comes, because it highly affects the

1019
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 10: type of capital we're putting into a project. The reality is,

1020
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 10: the reason those tax credits are put in is because

1021
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 10: it helps keep the price of electrons lower on the backside.

1022
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 10: So it's like, how much does it cost to build

1023
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 10: equals how much you're paying for the power? Right, we're

1024
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 10: now raising the price to build. It's going to raise

1025
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 10: the price for people are going to pay for electricity.

1026
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 10: The efficiency our market is getting those is helping to

1027
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 10: negate some that which is exciting. But the reality is

1028
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 10: still an issue for projects really twenty six and beyond,

1029
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 10: and we are trying to figure out today what does

1030
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 10: that look like and how are we going to sort

1031
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 10: of build in finance? And the reality is where we're

1032
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 10: going to build in finance because we are. The question

1033
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 10: is where is it going to work?

1034
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: Well?

1035
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: John Powers, great last name by.

1036
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 9: The way of nominal determentive.

1037
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: Queen Capital, thanks for walking us through this. Really appreciate it.

1038
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

1039
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: Well.

1040
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 8: As I mentioned earlier in the show, Ryan rambled in

1041
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 8: here off his bike this morning and said he apparently

1042
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 8: knows the future president of Ireland, and rather than just

1043
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 8: treat him as a crazy individual.

1044
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 9: I think we're going to indulge him. He has a claim.

1045
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: Once in a while, you got to just indulge those

1046
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: claims because they might be true. Katherine Connolly is running

1047
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: for president of Ireland. The polls have her enormous lea

1048
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: ahead and the election is on Friday. She is expected

1049
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: to be the next president of Ireland. When I was

1050
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: in Dublin over the summer, I met up with Abu

1051
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: Baker Abed my old not my old, my colleague at

1052
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: drop site. He was reported for us from Gaza. He's

1053
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: now in Ireland.

1054
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: He's very young and young young guy.

1055
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: And we teamed up with the Ditch and Paully Doyle

1056
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: and did an event with the woman who had just

1057
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: launched her presidential campaign at the time, Catherine Connolly, and

1058
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: it was held in the basement of this pub and

1059
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: it was a really riveting conversation and to see her

1060
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: in conversation with Aba Bacher was quite interesting. You can

1061
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 3: see the entire link to the entire thing done in

1062
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: the show notes. We'll play you know, about fifteen minutes

1063
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: of it after this, But after that she had a

1064
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: series of kind of controversies in in the presidential race,

1065
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 3: where for instance, she said she was asked to condemned

1066
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: Hamas and she said, look, Hamas is part of the.

1067
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: Fabric of Palestinian society.

1068
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: Who are we, as people who want our own liberation,

1069
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: our own anti colonial struggle, to tell other people how

1070
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: to run their liberation struggle. And you know, Irish elites,

1071
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: we're pretty like agast at that comment. Irish voters were like, yeah,

1072
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: that tracks. And so she's on track to be the

1073
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: next president of Ireland. So let's roll a little bit

1074
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Speaker 3: of this this clip. And so this this starts with

1075
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: Kathain Connolly getting asked by Pouli Doyle why there's this

1076
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: gap between what the Irish kind of public wants its

1077
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 3: government to do when it comes to relations with Israel

1078
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: and Palestine and what the Irish government actually does.

1079
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Speaker 8: So you guys are in the basement of a pub

1080
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 8: of the summer. So this would have been in July

1081
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 8: or August.

1082
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, And as you can see, and there she

1083
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: starts off by joking about how insanely hot it was.

1084
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: It was like over one hundred degrees. The room was

1085
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: you know, it's absolutely packed standing room only, and they

1086
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: don't have air conditioning over in Dublin, so you can

1087
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: see we are all sweating bullets in there. But it

1088
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: was it was very much worth it, and it was

1089
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 3: cool there. We have a ton of job site and

1090
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: breaking points viewers and readers in Dublin, which is also

1091
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: kind of cool to see.

1092
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 4: So this is this is for y'all.

1093
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 15: This is the first time I've been in sauna, in

1094
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 15: the sauna with all my clothes, a communal sauna.

1095
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 7: I don't mean to be flippant.

1096
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 15: I don't know where to go with this, really, because

1097
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 15: it's so overwhelming to listen to yourself here. I don't

1098
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 15: know what words to follow. I don't know how we've

1099
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 15: come to the stage where we're hearing that description and

1100
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 15: try to explain it. Something has gone horribly wrong with humanity,

1101
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 15: with the narrative, and you're asking me directly about the government.

1102
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 15: I actually think the government believe their own rhetoric to

1103
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 15: a certain extent. I think the government believe they're rhetoric

1104
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 15: to a certain extent. I think they actually believe they're

1105
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 15: doing something and they're the best boys in the class

1106
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 15: or the best girls in the class. And they've told

1107
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 15: us that repeatedly for fear we didn't understand it the

1108
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 15: first time.

1109
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 10: And so.

1110
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 15: We've reduced the world to them and us. We're really

1111
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 15: back to that them and us. We're back to you're

1112
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 15: with us or again us. And it's frightening actually to

1113
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 15: watch it on a daily basis. And if we look

1114
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 15: at Palestine, well before the sixth of October and in

1115
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 15: twenty twenty three, as it's been set out, slaughter was

1116
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 15: going on one way or another. When when Hamas went

1117
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 15: over the border, we had to continuously every time we

1118
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 15: spoke condemned that, like the refrain and the rose rare.

1119
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 15: We had to say absolutely and give that refrain to

1120
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 15: legitimize what we were going to say. Some people were

1121
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 15: more courageous than I and said they wouldn't condemn it.

1122
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 15: I actually had no difficulty condemning it, because I was

1123
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 15: horrified at the violence, as I am with all violence. However,

1124
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 15: as we all know here, history did not begin on

1125
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 15: that day. But we were never allowed to give a

1126
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 15: context that was not permitted in the doll without over

1127
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 15: and over condemning the attack and of course, context is

1128
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 15: very important, and so we're not allowed to do that,

1129
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 15: and we've struggled to do that. And I want to

1130
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 15: thank you because you have no idea the importance of

1131
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 15: your of your protest and all the protests that have

1132
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 15: taken place over at the country. It's really really important.

1133
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 15: You mightn't think it, but it is having an influence

1134
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 15: on politicians. However, I don't know how long we can

1135
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 15: keep on with a genocide going on in front of

1136
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 15: our eyes. The word ironic is not the right word.

1137
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 15: But just last week we had a minute silence first

1138
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 15: rebinition rightly, so we met no connection with the ongoing

1139
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 15: genocide in Palestine. And so there's a disconnect all of

1140
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 15: the time. And you asked me, how do we move

1141
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 15: from the government's rhetoric. There's a complete disconnect on so

1142
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 15: many levels, so many levels between the government who think

1143
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 15: they're doing fantastic and the actual feeling on the ground. So,

1144
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 15: in my time in the doll Amnesty published their report

1145
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 15: and they said there was an apartheid regime in being

1146
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 15: operated by Israel, and our government told us they were

1147
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 15: uncomfortable with the word apartheid. They actually said, we don't

1148
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 15: really want to talk about that. Uncomfortable with that word,

1149
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 15: so we let that go. And then six human rights

1150
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 15: organizations were described and designated as terrorist organizations. We let

1151
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 15: that go. We waited for the evidence. The government said

1152
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 15: there's no evidence ever produced. And then we watched the

1153
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 15: slaughter of men, women and children of journalists. And I

1154
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 15: don't need to say all of this, but you know

1155
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 15: it's important to say it because we're actually watching the slaughter.

1156
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 15: We're watching the un being dismantled, We're watching language becoming meaningless.

1157
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 15: I never understood kafka when I was doing German. I

1158
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 15: wasn't able to I fully understand kafka. Now I can

1159
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 15: tell you, after my years and the dolls in Is

1160
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 15: twenty sixteen, things just happen. Things just happen. You know,

1161
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 15: things are just happening in Palestine. Has nothing to do

1162
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 15: with Israel, really, and that so I struggle. I struggle.

1163
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 15: I've read everything I possibly can. I came from a

1164
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 15: back round of leon URIs Exodus me eighteen. I think

1165
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 15: I wanted to go to the Kibbutz. Let me say,

1166
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 15: there isn't a n Anti Semitic bone in my body.

1167
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 15: I wouldn't tolerate it. But that's the background I came from,

1168
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 15: and I've met a journey in trying to understand Palestine

1169
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 15: and read everything I can.

1170
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 7: The latest.

1171
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 15: I had the privilege of launching a book in Galway

1172
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 15: by Finton Drury and I recommend it. So where am

1173
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 15: I going with this? We have no choice but to

1174
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 15: speak out. We're at a point in history where we

1175
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 15: really have to use our voices to make language mean something,

1176
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 15: to make our actions mean something, and when we try that,

1177
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 15: we're demonized, we're isolated. All the tricks of the book

1178
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 15: to do that with the help of media that's colluding.

1179
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 15: So I thank you very much because it's not easy

1180
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 15: to provide an alternative media, but it's essential because we're

1181
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 15: not going to get it from the leadership in the

1182
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 15: doll and we're not going to get it. And I'll

1183
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 15: finish just maybe, you know, misinformation and disinformation, And I

1184
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 15: tend to laugh nearly hysterically when I hear that about

1185
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 15: the government bringing in legislation or something to counter disinformation.

1186
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 15: In my experience, most disinformation comes from government, from institutions,

1187
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 15: from institutions who protect themselves in a self serving manner

1188
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 15: and a narrative all the time and that consensus mentality,

1189
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 15: to me is the greatest threat to democracy. And so

1190
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 15: if we go back and I'll finish on this the

1191
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 15: banking inquiry, Nyberg did his banking inquiry and published his report,

1192
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 15: and what jumped off the page was the consensus mentality

1193
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 15: that allowed the banking crisis. And fast forward to the

1194
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 15: twenty twenty five and the same mentality is evident in

1195
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 15: relation to the children's hospital, the various debacles in Dublin,

1196
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 15: and I sit on the Public Account's Committee. I've read

1197
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 15: all the reports and the biggest thing was the absence

1198
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 15: of questioning what led to all of these very very

1199
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 15: serious issues, neglect of children, the absence of questioning and

1200
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 15: the consensus mentality. So on one level, I don't wish

1201
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 15: to add to your despair in the sauna in here

1202
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 15: we've learned nothing. On the other hand, I learn all

1203
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 15: the time because it's the only thing we have left

1204
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 15: is to keep learning, keep acting and using our voice,

1205
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 15: because we have to give hope. We have to stand

1206
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 15: with the people of Palestine, because if we let it happen,

1207
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 15: there's serious consequences for us as a nation, and as

1208
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 15: for humanity, where are we going if we let this

1209
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 15: happen remark.

1210
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 16: I think in my opinion that like I said, I've

1211
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 16: arrived here, and just to let people know that the

1212
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 16: most well known European country or risin country the gosens

1213
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 16: now is Ireland. By the way, there is so much

1214
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 16: love to you, so much really hoping you Gazans, and

1215
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 16: they're always talking about you. And this hasn't started since

1216
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 16: this journal sign started in October, but it's always been

1217
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 16: durable for many, many many years, and we're very well

1218
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 16: aware of that. But I think arrived here. One thing

1219
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 16: the Irish government is quite worried about is that it

1220
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 16: is very pressured by you by the protest but always

1221
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 16: seen every single day from protests, calls to the Apartheids

1222
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 16: regime to pass occupied to ret his bill and to

1223
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 16: cut this really bonds and everything. I am aware of that.

1224
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 16: But I think, in my opinion in the only obstacle

1225
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 16: that the government has is America, because it doesn't want

1226
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 16: to It doesn't want to make America angry with it,

1227
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 16: and America it is really controls America, not the other

1228
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 16: way around. So the Irish government is because there are

1229
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 16: a lot of investments here from Americans in the sky

1230
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 16: country and we're all aware of that and of seeing that,

1231
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 16: and I've read about it. But also this government doesn't

1232
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 16: like it. What it's all doing is just blazing the

1233
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 16: United States and the US administration, and that if we

1234
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 16: make the US angry, we can't attack Israel or we

1235
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 16: can't do whatever we want. So but we have to

1236
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 16: be really aware of what it means. I don't think

1237
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 16: any view is happy that your aerospace is allowed to

1238
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 16: be used to transport fright digits from America to Australia

1239
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 16: to kill bomb children. I do think other view is

1240
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 16: happy with that. I don't think that those politicians were

1241
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 16: still voting for a general side oft for israelly bones,

1242
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 16: or are saying mere platitudes and the particularly the Irish

1243
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 16: newspapers here that particularly the Irish Times and the RT,

1244
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 16: we're still producing stories just to find the ongoing slaughtered

1245
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 16: or we're seeing every single day. No one should be

1246
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 16: allowed to accept this. So what Palestinians need from the

1247
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 16: government because in the end, there is hope and people

1248
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 16: who are still still cared, There is hoping, people who

1249
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 16: are still you know, still have a heart to have

1250
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 16: pure heart about the plight of an entire population and

1251
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 16: think about it, which which part of this world is

1252
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 16: being bombed, Which part of this world is suffering, Which

1253
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 16: part of this world is being starved, Which which part

1254
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 16: of this world is being exterminated every single day. It's

1255
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 16: all the gaza. So why are we not having just

1256
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 16: at the mere rights of any human beings around the world.

1257
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 16: Why this Irish government, which knows the meaning of colonization,

1258
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 16: which knows the meaning of starvation, which knows the meaning

1259
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 16: of imperialism, it knows everything about us because it has

1260
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 16: been colonized by British, by Britain, so it knows everything.

1261
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 16: So why this government is still not acting because in

1262
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 16: the end causos the prologue and then everything will happen.

1263
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 16: And you know that Britain is funding there's a Britain

1264
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 16: is the most complicit probably country in this general side,

1265
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 16: after the US administration or after the United States. So

1266
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 16: what Palestinians needed from the government, from this government is

1267
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 16: just to listen to its people, as they told you,

1268
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 16: like past occupatorate is but oh cut tho's really want.

1269
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 16: It's not important, It's not going to be the end

1270
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 16: of the world, and just listen to your people. It's enough.

1271
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 16: It's enough slaughter. So this complicity just to allow in

1272
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 16: the Shinegan Airport, to allow partages without even interrogating them,

1273
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 16: without even stopping them, without even asking them anything, but

1274
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 16: rather you will see people saluting them here they're in

1275
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 16: the airport, and this is just absolutely not something that

1276
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 16: you really want. So what we all want from this

1277
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 16: government is just to listen to its people like do

1278
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 16: not like if you don't want to help, the least

1279
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 16: you can do, don't contribute to killing us. That's all

1280
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 16: we want as Palestinians.

1281
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: Then maybe, uh maybe, maybe, maybe Catherine, you can speak

1282
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: to that question about the role of the US and

1283
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: then if you did become president my understanding, it's a

1284
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: pretty ceremonial position, but in that in that ceremony there

1285
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 3: could be interactions with Vice President of the United States,

1286
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 3: the President of the United States, if there are meetings,

1287
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 3: would would you take meetings like that or or how

1288
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: would you use the office to try to get the

1289
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 3: yoke of of the US off of Irish government so

1290
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 3: that it could have a more democratic connection to its public.

1291
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 15: Hello, am I speaking from the diaphragm. Yeah, it's quite

1292
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 15: a complex question. Yeah, I'll do my best. Where do

1293
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 15: I go with this ion. I am who I am.

1294
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 15: I can't pretend My only strength is my honesty and

1295
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 15: what I feel, and I do my best to educate

1296
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 15: myself and speak, reflect and speak. So it seems to

1297
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 15: me I have no choice but to use my voice

1298
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 15: to speak out. I can't be presumptuous enough to jump

1299
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 15: ahead being president. I'm not trying to avoid your question.

1300
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 15: It certainly let me take it before then. I think,

1301
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 15: as you've said, we're absolutely intricately bunked up with America.

1302
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 15: They determine our policy. We're allowing the bullies to determine

1303
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 15: our policy. So we have a bully in America who

1304
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 15: changes his mind. But the problem didn't start with the

1305
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 15: bully in America who changes his mind every five minutes

1306
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 15: every day. It started before that, when the Democrats failed

1307
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 15: to see what was happening, and when they fail to

1308
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 15: see people turning away from the Democrats, and fully they

1309
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 15: fail to analyze it. If we come back here, the

1310
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 15: government is out of touch. They simply don't realize the

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Speaker 15: strength of outrage on the ground, not just in relation

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Speaker 15: to the genocide in Palestine, but in relation to war,

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Speaker 15: the normalization of war, the normalization of genocide, the normalization

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Speaker 15: of homelessness, of a housing crisis, all of which shouldn't

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Speaker 15: be normal. And people are outraged on the ground and

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Speaker 15: are crying out for solutions. And we have the solutions,

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Speaker 15: but the narrative from the advisors and from the neoliberal

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Speaker 15: ideology is very, very strong, with the help of the press.

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Speaker 15: So if we go back to Ireland, Ireland has done

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Speaker 15: very well by its government in terms of the recognition

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Speaker 15: of Palestine. However, I'm on record for saying they're recognizing

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Speaker 15: Palestine when it's on must descride. So while they're clapping

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Speaker 15: themselves on the back, in one sense, it's easy to

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Speaker 15: understand them because they are top of the class. Compared

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Speaker 15: with other countries, including Arab countries. They are at top

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Speaker 15: of the class. So they see themselves as doing very well.

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Speaker 15: What we see. What we see is democracy in peril

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Speaker 15: because we either agree with the narrative that we need

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Speaker 15: to be very careful with American and we heard the ambassador,

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Speaker 15: I think the American ambassador to Israel telling us we

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Speaker 15: were intoxicated on our own narrative, but we need to

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Speaker 15: stand up because we have everything to lose if we don't.

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Speaker 15: Whether I do that now as a candidate for the

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Speaker 15: presidency and in the best way I can if I

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Speaker 15: was president. Certainly, and under the Constitution, the role of

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Speaker 15: the President is set out and it's narrow enough. The

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Speaker 15: symbolism of is very important, as we know in this

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Speaker 15: country from Northern Ireland as well. Symbols are powerful and

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Speaker 15: they can be used. So the symbolic role can be used,

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Speaker 15: and I must comply with my duties if I was

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Speaker 15: there under the Constitution and by law. However, one of

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Speaker 15: the articles gives the president specific role in relation to

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Speaker 15: the welfare of the people of Ireland, and that's quite

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Speaker 15: a broad a broad part. In the Constitution. The person

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Speaker 15: becoming president takes a public vow, absolutely a solemn promise

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Speaker 15: to serve the people of Ireland and the welfare of Ireland.

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Speaker 15: And so I don't think the welfare of Ireland is

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Speaker 15: served by us joining warmongers by adding to the military

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Speaker 15: industrial complex. I think we have everything to lose and

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Speaker 15: nothing to gain by increasing. Of course, we need to

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Speaker 15: look after our defense forces, so let me get that

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Speaker 15: on the record. But joining in the boys club to

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Speaker 15: back up the profit driven arms industry, it's not in

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Speaker 15: our interest and everything to lose by doing that. We

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Speaker 15: have to use our voice for peace.

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Speaker 10: Will I do that?

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Speaker 15: If I was elected and had the privilege of being president,

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Speaker 15: you couldn't stop me. You couldn't stop me using my

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Speaker 15: voice for peace. You couldn't stop me. As a mother

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Speaker 15: of two children who were grown up and are two

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Speaker 15: men now, so they're not around and they're not embarrassed

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Speaker 15: by that. But once a mother, all was a mother,

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Speaker 15: I'm horrified that we would be using war as a

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Speaker 15: way to achieve peace. It's back to front, so we

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Speaker 15: should were we should be working, and that's what I

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Speaker 15: would do as a president, working to make the Republic

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Speaker 15: mean something, working towards the United Ireland with consent and

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Speaker 15: recognize and diversity and using my voice, but more importantly

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Speaker 15: acting as a role model. That's a bit pretentious, but

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Speaker 15: enabling and empowering people on the ground to use their voices,

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Speaker 15: whether that's for peace or to do what they want

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Speaker 15: to do. It is vital. And as I said earlier on,

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Speaker 15: we're at a turning point, so we need people to

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Speaker 15: take courage in their hands and use their voices. Consensus

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Speaker 15: is not healthy, Dissent is very good, and diversity and

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Speaker 15: the cherishing of diversity. It's absolutely vital for a functioning,

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Speaker 15: healthy democracy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's it for us, and we'll see you on Friday.

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Speaker 9: Right, we'll see you on Friday.

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Speaker 8: I did want to mention I was referencing a report

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Speaker 8: that was done by a conservative group on connections between

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Speaker 8: like Open Society tides funding that sort of stuff going

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Speaker 8: into groups that potentially are knowingly funding literal Ruckus in

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Speaker 8: this case is so I've was trying to remember whose

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Speaker 8: study it was, as Capital Research Group, Cappal Research Center,

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Speaker 8: which is a conservative group, and they have a report

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Speaker 8: that's it's pretty interesting, Ryan, I was talking just a

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Speaker 8: little bit about it while we were between segments that

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Speaker 8: they show Open Society has sent money into a group

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Speaker 8: called the Ruckus Society, also something called the Center for

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Speaker 8: Third World Organizing. You can check that out on your own,

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Speaker 8: make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: To direct action they do. Yeah, I wouldn't call it

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Speaker 3: violent at all, but they do direct action.

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Speaker 8: So again, yeah, to just reiterate what we said in

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Speaker 8: that segment, I'm not trying to make the case that

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Speaker 8: there's a vast right wing there's a vast left wing conspiracy.

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Speaker 8: I should say it's a sense soors money to like

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Speaker 8: literal black back violence taking over America cities. But you

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Speaker 8: go ahead and check out that that study.

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Speaker 9: We'll link it.

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Speaker 3: We are not funded by liberal philanthropy, So go to

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Speaker 3: breakingpoints dot com upgrade you're to a premium description and

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Speaker 3: tin cup to Soros and the Tides Foundation.

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Speaker 8: That's right, Yeah, we are only ninety percent funded by

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Speaker 8: Soros percent.

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll see you there.