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Speaker 1: In today's episode of Tick to the Draft podcast, we

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Speaker 1: got the big uglies and we talk is the forty

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Speaker 1: outdated for the offensive line? We discussed that, and we've

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Speaker 1: got a wide array of characters. Man, we've got avengers,

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Speaker 1: We've got a mac truck, and we've got some bullies

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Speaker 1: and as Fred would say, they want to throw you

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Speaker 1: out of the club. But we talked about who Washington

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Speaker 1: taken the second, third, or fourth round. Man, we go

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Speaker 1: through a lot of names here, pay attention. And we

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Speaker 1: also got Brad Spielberger talking about the cap.

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Speaker 2: It all starts right out. Welcome to the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Presented by Seakeek, the official primary ticketing partner of the

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Speaker 1: Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here with just the guy Jason,

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Speaker 1: and today is the last day of the combine.

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Speaker 3: Did it?

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Speaker 1: We did it. We made it through. It's the fourth day.

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Speaker 1: I think we think it's the fourth day. We're kind

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Speaker 1: of all bleeding together. But I really enjoy this day, right,

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Speaker 1: it's the offensive line day. And I know you don't

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Speaker 1: enjoy it as much.

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Speaker 3: And it's not that I don't enjoy it as much

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Speaker 3: as stat like, this is the position that I other

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Speaker 3: than I think cornerback. I struggle with the most at

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Speaker 3: evaluating as just a guy because A I never played

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Speaker 3: anything like it. Like even if if you go out

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Speaker 3: and you're just you're just a guy playing pickup football

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Speaker 3: or whatever, right, like that's seven one seven right quarterback,

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Speaker 3: feel like to really understand offensive line, it's almost like

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Speaker 3: you got to play it a little bit. You got

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Speaker 3: to go through what those movements are like with that motions,

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Speaker 3: like what it's like to get down there that heavy

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Speaker 3: bend that much, explode off the ground that much. Like

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Speaker 3: so like I never I've never tried it, I've never

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Speaker 3: done it. I've never run drills like that before. So

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Speaker 3: it's it's just hard, hard one for me to evaluate,

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Speaker 3: that's all. So it's like even today, I'm like, wait,

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Speaker 3: what are we looking at here? How are you seeing?

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Speaker 3: What are you seeing? How are you seeing it? And

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Speaker 3: and I think that I'll always ask those questions with

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Speaker 3: this group in particular, because it's a hard one for us,

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Speaker 3: just the guys, to know what we're looking at other

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Speaker 3: than that dude's big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's big.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny like when this group specifically,

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Speaker 1: Like I kept thinking back to last year's group, which

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Speaker 2: Their film's good.

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Speaker 1: They're athletes, Like they moved well in the drills, they

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Speaker 1: If any if ever you know from being a professional

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like this position more than others? And

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong, So do you feel like this

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of O line friends

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at O lineman and think

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Speaker 1: So in terms of today, Joe all came out and

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Speaker 1: There was an athletic twitch and movement base that was very,

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying like he's not. He doesn't seem like

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Speaker 3: So then what do you think of Olu Fashanu, who

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Speaker 2: So I think that's the thing about today.

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Speaker 1: We didn't really talk about this, but there was a

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Speaker 1: excited to see him run. He ran a five to one,

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Speaker 3: And I want I want to lead into a Marius

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the thing that was disappointing

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Speaker 1: They're big guys, they're not used to this anyway. Right,

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Speaker 3: So my question is why do we keep doing forty

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Speaker 1: So when you when you look at like international testing protocols.

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Speaker 1: Like the number consistency is just basically like they want

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Speaker 1: This is how we categorize this guy from a physical

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Speaker 1: it shows you that you like to lift weights, which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's kind of the thought on that.

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Speaker 1: And again it's not fair to the offensive lineman, but

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Speaker 1: evaluation to a certain degree because you can always just

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Speaker 1: compare guys one to one.

439
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Speaker 3: Well, Fred Smooth was on the bench press or pretty

440
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Speaker 3: early he said he went to the combine, got under there,

441
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 3: did one rep, put it up, and said, none of

442
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Speaker 3: you all are see here to see me as a bodybuilder.

443
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 3: You're here to see me play football. Let's go get

444
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Speaker 3: out on the field.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

446
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Speaker 3: And he tells that story pretty often when we get

447
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Speaker 3: around the combound time about how he just didn't care

448
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,440
Speaker 3: about the bench press told him that.

449
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Speaker 1: I mean, if I was an agent, I'd be very

450
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Speaker 1: It used to be when I first got in the league.

451
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Speaker 1: If you didn't do twenty two reps as a tight end,

452
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Speaker 1: you were terrible, right, you couldn't play tight end in

453
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Speaker 1: the NFL. But now these guys are doing twelve fourteen

454
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Speaker 1: and it's fine, you know, so whatever. It's changed a

455
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Speaker 1: lot in terms of the demands of the sport and

456
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Speaker 1: understanding of what the sport is, you know, like it's

457
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Speaker 1: not so strength based anymore.

458
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I felt bad for these guys going down,

459
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Speaker 3: and I just like immediately when you see that two

460
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Speaker 3: years in a row. Now for us, it's like, what

461
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Speaker 3: can we do to help detect these guys? Okay, so

462
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Speaker 3: we're gonna talk a lot about Amarusmims, even though he

463
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Speaker 3: went down a little bit later. But the next guy

464
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Speaker 3: on the list, yeah Loogan that we talked about of

465
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Speaker 3: the top end guys that we evaluated today.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the next two guys are Talisi Fuaga from Oregon State,

467
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Speaker 1: who I thought had a fantastic day to day, no injury,

468
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Speaker 1: ran a decent forty. I think it was a I

469
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Speaker 1: think his fastest one was a five.

470
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Speaker 3: To one four I have a five to one for yep.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so and he measured in at sixty six. He

472
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Speaker 1: came in at three twenty five. And I just I

473
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Speaker 1: love the snap that he plays with which you see

474
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Speaker 1: on film, and he's aggressive, he's mean, he's strong. You know,

475
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a true tackle in the NFL.

476
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Speaker 1: I think he gets a little outside hand punch heavy,

477
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Speaker 1: which is like a very technical thing, but I you know,

478
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Speaker 1: I think he's he's gonna he's a he's an NFL

479
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Speaker 1: football player.

480
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Speaker 2: Like when you look at him out there like that.

481
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Speaker 1: I think that's the thing about old lineman is sometimes,

482
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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, the physical characteristics, you just look at

483
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Speaker 1: him and they're big and they're faster like that, dude's

484
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Speaker 1: an NFL offensive lineman. And there weren't a lot of

485
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Speaker 1: guys out there like that today, but he was definitively

486
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: one of those guys. And again just the snap, the dexterity,

487
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Speaker 1: the strength that he played with, and especially when you

488
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Speaker 1: compare that to Joe Walt, who again I think Joealt

489
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Speaker 1: has a lot of good movement skills for his size,

490
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Speaker 1: but is not as physically developed as fatanu, you know

491
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, and it just was it was

492
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Speaker 1: like comparing a grown man to a guy who was,

493
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Speaker 1: you know, like a senior in college to a freshman

494
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Speaker 1: coming in a little bit and so really good athlete,

495
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Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff there, but in terms of

496
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Speaker 1: a guy that could plug and play right now, it

497
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Speaker 1: was it was Fuaga one hundred percent.

498
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Speaker 2: And I just I thought he just did.

499
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Speaker 1: He had a good senior Bowl week, had a good

500
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Speaker 1: had a good day today, and I just think he

501
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Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit. The other guy is JC

502
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Speaker 1: Latham again kind of in this fringe round. Guy's kind

503
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Speaker 1: of vying to be up there. And I was actually

504
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Speaker 1: really impressed with Jc. He came here.

505
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Speaker 3: He looks like a from Alabama.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks he looks like a bear. He's I

507
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Speaker 1: think he's sixty six or sixty seven. I don't know

508
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Speaker 1: what he waited at, but he's listed at three sixty

509
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Speaker 1: five and he's just for a guy of that size.

510
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Speaker 1: I thought he moved very well. And then the other

511
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Speaker 1: thing is everyone talks about the depth of his kick slide.

512
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Speaker 1: So on a kickslide, everyone think about you know, you're

513
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Speaker 1: on the right side you're getting ready to block von Miller.

514
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Speaker 1: You want to get a lot of depth off the

515
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Speaker 1: ball so that he can't stress you with his vertical

516
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Speaker 1: speed very quickly. And so everyone is being very critical

517
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Speaker 1: of JC, basically saying I don't get deep enough.

518
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Speaker 2: But in all the pass pro drills, I.

519
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Speaker 1: Thought he had great snap and good hip flexibility to

520
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Speaker 1: get that depth off the ball. So to me, I

521
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Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's good to see because at Alabama

522
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Speaker 1: he's so gosh darn good and big that he doesn't

523
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Speaker 1: need to really, He's never really stressed that way. So

524
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Speaker 1: it's nice to see that he's got that club in

525
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Speaker 1: the bag when he needs it. Obviously, got to refine

526
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Speaker 1: that a little bit. And in addition to doing tackle stuff,

527
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Speaker 1: he also snapped the football, you know, so showing that

528
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Speaker 1: he can he has some flexibility across the line. So

529
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Speaker 1: I was really impressed with his work. Obviously I would

530
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Speaker 1: like to see him run and jump and do some

531
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Speaker 1: of the other testing stuff, probably jumping for him, just

532
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Speaker 1: see how explosive he is. But I think he came

533
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Speaker 1: out looking very sharp. Again, a guy that like Fuaga,

534
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Speaker 1: is physically very imposing, like when he comes up in

535
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Speaker 1: line there's no doubt who the NFL offensive lineman is.

536
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Speaker 1: It's like this guy and vi Waga and then they

537
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Speaker 1: were in different groups, but just the size and the

538
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Speaker 1: strength that they just present with their physicality was very,

539
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Speaker 1: very impressive.

540
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Speaker 3: All right on to the next group. This next group

541
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Speaker 3: are guys that the general consensus is they're going to

542
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Speaker 3: be in the mid to later first round, maybe slide

543
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Speaker 3: to the second or maybe slide up a little bit.

544
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Speaker 3: It's like the thing about offensive linemen is, because of

545
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Speaker 3: their value, the draft is very volatile with where they're

546
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Speaker 3: going to go or not right, So when people do

547
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Speaker 3: mock drafts, it tends to be not entirely accurate when

548
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Speaker 3: it comes to offensive line because there's such valuable pieces

549
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Speaker 3: that they tend to go. They normally tend to go

550
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Speaker 3: higher than you think they will. Yeah, And so when

551
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Speaker 3: you line up a mock draft with the actual draft,

552
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Speaker 3: the offensive line is the one that kind of mixes

553
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Speaker 3: that shuffle up more than any other position. But as

554
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Speaker 3: of right now, according to the top mock drafters, there

555
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Speaker 3: the Daniel Jeremias, the mel kiper juniors. These are the

556
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Speaker 3: guys that are kind of that later first round into

557
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Speaker 3: second round.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you sit in the second round because

559
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Speaker 1: we don't really know, and I think you don't. And again,

560
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons the NFL, in addition all the

561
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Speaker 1: reason you just said, which are one hundred percent right,

562
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Speaker 1: that these guys are often pushed up boards is because

563
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Speaker 1: the evaluation, honestly, an offensive lineman tends to be a

564
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Speaker 1: little bit easier because if they fail at tackle, they

565
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Speaker 1: can play guard. If they fail a guard, they can

566
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Speaker 1: play center. And it gives you some flexition to move

567
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Speaker 1: around a little bit. And you're just looking for body

568
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: types and athletic traits that you think are going to translate.

569
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Speaker 1: And so a guy that I think, really honestly was

570
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Speaker 1: very impressive to me, and I don't know what I

571
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Speaker 1: was expecting, because I really like his film a lot,

572
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: was Troy Vautanu from Washington from You Dub and I

573
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Speaker 1: thought he just he just moved so well, like they

574
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Speaker 1: do a wave drill where they kind of you know,

575
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Speaker 1: pointed direction you shuffle that way, they point back your

576
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Speaker 1: back pedal, and he just moved great, He pulled great,

577
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Speaker 1: His passe sets were awesome. He had thirty four inch arms,

578
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Speaker 1: because I thought his arms were going to be short

579
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Speaker 1: because he played left tackle, I thought, oh, for sure

580
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Speaker 1: he's going to be a guard. I still think he's

581
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Speaker 1: going to be a guard. But he looks short, Yes,

582
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Speaker 1: but that could just.

583
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Speaker 3: Because he's standing next to Joe Alton times, Like I

584
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Speaker 3: don't know. When I sit back there, I'm like, he

585
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: looks a little short to be an offensive linement. But

586
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Speaker 3: you're talking about these measurables.

587
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that are good. Yeah, and again I was surprised

588
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Speaker 1: by the measurables. And who's the left tackle for this

589
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: for the La Chargers. The guy that was drafted a

590
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: couple of years ago from Northwestern? Do you remember his name?

591
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Speaker 1: And no, I'm putting you on the spot.

592
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Speaker 2: Look him up.

593
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Speaker 1: So there is something about how Fautano moves that makes

594
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Speaker 1: me think guard. I think he's and when he like so,

595
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: for example, when you watch his film, he's very quick,

596
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: he's very aggressive. He's got the mindset, he's got the toughness.

597
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Speaker 1: I think the problem is like he doesn't have this elite,

598
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Speaker 1: elite tackle anchor right to kind of sit down on

599
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Speaker 1: a bull when someone's running at you a thousand miles

600
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Speaker 1: an hour And people say, oh, well, you think he's

601
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Speaker 1: strong enough to block a three technique. When you're blocking

602
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Speaker 1: a three technique, it's like I just have to stand

603
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: up and there's not a lot of runway for that player,

604
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Speaker 1: So the anchor is a little bit less important in

605
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Speaker 1: my opinion, and especially if you got long arms.

606
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Speaker 2: So do I think he could play tackle? Maybe?

607
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Speaker 1: But do I also think he could play I think

608
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: he'd be a good tackle. I think he'd be an

609
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: excellent guard. And I think that's what you're speaking to

610
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: with the body type there. He just looks like he's

611
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: going to be a better guard just from his body proportion,

612
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: body proportions.

613
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Speaker 3: Rashawn Slater.

614
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Rashon, that was the guy, Rashaan Slater. And

615
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: everyone says, oh, like his measurables are about Rashaun Slater's

616
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Speaker 1: and I totally agree. There was something about the dexterity

617
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Speaker 1: of Rashawn Slater's past set that made me think this

618
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: guy's for sure going to be a tackle and Fatanu,

619
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Speaker 1: while being very good, is not quite to that level.

620
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Speaker 1: And so I think, again, it could be a fine

621
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Speaker 1: tackle or could be a pro Bowl guard. So if

622
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Speaker 1: I'm a team and I take him, I'm definitely going

623
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Speaker 1: to try and bump him inside. I think, and there's

624
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: such a value at tackle financially, I might let him

625
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: fail at tackle first and then bump them in. But

626
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Speaker 1: I thought he had a really, a really fantastic dated.

627
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about Mims here, Okay. And the reason I

628
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: want to talk about Mims here is because I feel

629
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Speaker 3: like I have no idea where he could go in

630
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: this draft because of his measurables. They God just doesn't

631
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: make many men like this.

632
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and there's going to.

633
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: Be a team. I feel like that's going to be

634
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: like we're taking we're snatching this up, right, We're snatching

635
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: this up or because he's so raw, he could end

636
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: up falling and everyone's like, oh, well we But I

637
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: just have the feeling that a coach is going to

638
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: see that, and a GM's going to see that, and

639
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: they're going to go, oh, we can't well, can't let

640
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: that slock.

641
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: His numbers are like I had to, so I clicked

642
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: on the they have his name on the NFL website.

643
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: He clicked on his name, and I almost didn't believe it.

644
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Like he measured bigger than he was listed in college.

645
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: He's six eight.

646
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: Never happened.

647
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: It never happens he's six ' eight, he's three forty.

648
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Speaker 1: He had thirty six and an eighth inch arms.

649
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: So just to give you.

650
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Speaker 1: Some context, that's like ninety fifth ninety six percentile. There's

651
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: nobody you know Likedwan Jones last year. That's how long

652
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: his arms were, Like Paris Johnson junior. That's how long

653
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: his arms were.

654
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Those are elite numbers.

655
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Speaker 1: Elite numbers, right, So that's what you're looking for. Good length, right,

656
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: And he's got these massive hands, eleven in a quarter inches.

657
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: So like if you had a sheet of paper and

658
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: you put your hand on it, that's his hand, is

659
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: the sheet of paper. That's how big his hand.

660
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, compare your hand to a sheet of paper.

661
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: That's and you and you, and you see him in

662
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: interviews like holding microphones and stuff, and it looks like

663
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: he's holding like a little kid's joe. It looks like

664
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: he's doing like a mini mic segment. Like that's how

665
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: big he is. And then on top of that, before

666
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: he pulled his hamstring, he ran a five almost a

667
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: five flat forty.

668
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: And if you look at players over three forty who.

669
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Have run fast, is the fact he is one of

670
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: the fastest over three hundred and forty pounds forty times in.

671
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: The history of the NFL, like in the history of

672
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: the NFL. So he is a true freak.

673
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: And when you watch his film, he reminds me a

674
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: little bit of Dwan Jones, who was excellent as a rookie,

675
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: because he's got this great length, great power, but he's

676
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: got the movement skills of a Broderick Jones. He's a

677
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: little stiff but moves really well. And so he only

678
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: played eight games. He had to get tight road surgery

679
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: on his ankle and then obviously today pulling his hamshriger Like, man,

680
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: is this guy injury prone?

681
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I totally agree with you.

682
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Like and he plays me like there's clips of him

683
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: pulling out on screens in college where he's one on

684
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: one with like a big safety or a linebacker and

685
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't sink his hips, doesn't do anything, just run

686
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: straight and.

687
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: Literally put one hand on the guy and it.

688
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: Looks like the guy explodes. Like it's it's like cartoon

689
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: type stuff. So you can't coach that, right, Like that's

690
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: just like mom, Dad and God were like, this is

691
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: it And there's probably five people like that on the

692
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: face of planet. And so I definitely agree with you.

693
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: He's a guy just from the measurements to.

694
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: Handpoint, just from that one, he wins.

695
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: He wins the combine, and his film's not bad. It's

696
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: really raw.

697
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: He's a little up and down in terms of effort,

698
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: but like if he fell to thirty six by some miracle,

699
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: like they like Tyler guy, he's a little stiff in

700
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: the hips, like when you watching my film Little Stiff

701
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: in the Hips. Roder Jones was stiff in the hips,

702
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Dwayne Dwan Jones was a little stiff in the hips.

703
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: You can work with that.

704
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: If you've got this frame and he's got this frame,

705
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: that's it's very very very very unique.

706
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna steal this from you. You said it

707
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: if aliens invaded the planet and we needed to fight them, Yes,

708
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: we want Mimes to go with the Avengers.

709
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, we want him.

710
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: We want him a part of that team. He's just

711
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: he is he's a superhero.

712
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: He's just again, it's it's it's hard to overstate uniqueness

713
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine because there's so many unique people.

714
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: There's the Johnny Wilson's and all these guys that people

715
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: are talking about this is one of those guys that's

716
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: just they don't come around very often. And and I

717
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: really and I talk about disappointed. I just wanted to

718
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: see him move around because he was juiced up, like

719
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: he was in the forty line for his first one.

720
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: He's like licking his lips, he's like bobbing his head.

721
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love this guy's vibe right now. And

722
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: so it was so it was such a letdown that

723
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: he and OHC didn't to do their do their thing today.

724
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: But I agree he's in that. I just feel like

725
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: he's going to go probably top twenty in the twenty

726
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: in this draft. But if if like he if the

727
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: medical isn't good and he's there at thirty six, that's

728
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: very very enticing for the commanders.

729
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: On our very first mock draft battle that we did

730
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: on the Ticket to the Draft podcast back with Zach

731
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: Selby and Fred Smoote, you and I, uh, we got

732
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: to the second round and there was a lot of

733
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: talk about Geyiton. Yeah, so let's talk about him. How

734
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: did he we are he was on the radar? You

735
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: like this film? We all liked this film. How did

736
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: he look today?

737
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: I thought he looked great. Honestly, like, he just is

738
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: so big. I mean again measured in taller then he

739
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: was listened to that.

740
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: I think he measured.

741
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: I think he's listed at sixty six. I think he

742
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: came in at six seven and a half or something

743
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: crazy like that. So, you know, three twenty five, three

744
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: thirty something and jumped pretty.

745
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: Good for a guy as size. But it's what was

746
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: this forty you have it on there.

747
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: Five one nine. Yeah, he's from Oklahoma, by the way,

748
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: I don't say.

749
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: That from Oklahoma, And I love this is one of

750
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: the reasons I love offensive Line. It's for guys like

751
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: Mims and guys like Guidon, guys who are just so

752
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: big and athletic, and you're just like, this is awesome.

753
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: It's awesome to see you run around, it's awesome to

754
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: see you move. It's awesome when you do the change direction,

755
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: you're not taking false steps. You look like a dB

756
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: out there doing your backpedal, Like that's fantastic.

757
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: So I definitely think he's helping himself.

758
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: And I think this is really interesting, Like depending on

759
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: how Guiden interviews, for example, he might jump Mims and

760
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: then Mims would potentially slide down to the commanders, and

761
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: if you want kind of a generational frame and physicality

762
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: like Guiden or Mims at thirty six, I think is

763
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be ecstatic with both, honestly, and again

764
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: they're both a little bit project y one hundred percent

765
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: and Mims is a young guy who's only played like

766
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: eight college football games. But and Geiden the same type

767
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: of thing. He's new to the position, played defensive end,

768
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: then transferred to Oklahoma from Texas Tech and was only

769
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: played like two years of football. But the frame, the

770
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: athleticism is is special.

771
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: It's very very special.

772
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: A guy that ran a five to three today from

773
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: Kansas State, Cooper Beebie. There's a lot of scuttle butt

774
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: around here about this guy, a lot of people talking

775
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: about him here at the combine.

776
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a guy that I mean, I love watching

777
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: this film because he's like this big barrel chested guy,

778
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: kind of not fat, just like got that big power

779
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: belly and can absolutely fly and so in the run game,

780
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: like he has a great feel for like popping shoulders

781
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: up and getting to the next level and really wearing

782
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: linebackers out in the outside zone game. And so you know,

783
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about his pass protection. But I

784
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: thought today he showed that he's a little bit better

785
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: of an athlete than a lot of people give him

786
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: credit for. So I like Cooper BB a lot, and

787
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: I know a lot of teams are very very high

788
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: in him. I don't know where exactly they would select him,

789
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: for example, like I don't know if he's a top

790
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: of the second the bottom of the second guy. But

791
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: like we talked about on the mock draft pods like

792
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: beauties in the I of the Beholder, right, soally, yeah,

793
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: two other guys. I just want to mention real quick

794
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: tackles before we talk about Oh sure Jackson Powers Johnson

795
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: and all those other guys. Was was Patrick Paul? I

796
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: thought looked awesome today. You know, he measured in a

797
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of a six seven three. I think he was

798
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: three thirty. He had the thirty five thirty six in charms. Again,

799
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: just a frame that is, when it's out there, you're like,

800
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: there's only a couple guys like this.

801
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 3: Yep, this is our very own Chris Paul's brother.

802
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to Houston, and I thought moved great

803
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: because one of the big concerns I had with him

804
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: in watching his film was that he was slow footed,

805
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: and sometimes guys are coached to be slow footed like

806
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: on purpose by the O line coach, and I think

807
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: it's bad, but it was good to see him move

808
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: around and not have any slowness to his feet. Like

809
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: it's almost like you heard that criticism and got it corrected.

810
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: And again I think after today, I could easily see

811
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: him being in the top of the second top of

812
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: the second round in terms of draft pick. Yeah.

813
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: If you check out Commander's log, we are team. You

814
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: remedia team did a great job micing up Adam Peters

815
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: when he was at the Senior Bowl and Chris Paul

816
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: and Adam Peters were talking about out Patrick Paul really yes, yes,

817
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: while he was doing some drills and the two of

818
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: them were talking about man, just look at them. Yeah great,

819
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: And Adam was joking with Chris about like you got

820
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: any pointers for him and give me some inside information

821
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: about him, which should he come here to the commanders.

822
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: They're just laughing about it. But yeah, check that out

823
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: on Commander's log. A little micd up with Adam Peters

824
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: there for that. All right, your next guy that you

825
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: want to talk.

826
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: About real quick?

827
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kingsley Sue Mattiah. I again, I like this guy's film.

828
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: He went to BYU. I felt like he was really raw.

829
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know what kind of athlete he was, and

830
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: so obviously I think I don't remember his exact forty

831
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: me like a five to one something, five to zero something.

832
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking it up right now.

833
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: But moved really well.

834
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: But then the drill work man, every time he came

835
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: up to the front of the line, I was just like.

836
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: That's the guy.

837
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: That is the athlete that I want for the commanders.

838
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Like the way he moved, the way he bent, the

839
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: way he can change direction, the way he punched the bag.

840
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a all these guys talking about like everybody

841
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: like so the guidance, the the Mims, the Sumataiahs, all

842
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: these guys are raw prospects, right, but the talent Chris

843
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: Paul was the other one, or Patrick Paul was the

844
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: other one.

845
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: So those four guys very raw prospects.

846
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: But the physicality that they have, the athleticism they have,

847
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: I just I just was kind of an awe. You

848
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: know of those guys today and I thought, those those

849
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: are the guys that you want to take a fly

850
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: around in the second round.

851
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: He ran a five oh four forty.

852
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: Dude, and I looked just moved so well, got a

853
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: little gassed out by the end, you know. I mean

854
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: that was an observation you made, but I mean the bend,

855
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: the footwork, the it was very very And again it

856
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: was nice for me to see that because on film

857
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, and then to see

858
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: you move around in person's and also Patrick Paul same thing,

859
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: like you're just like, this is it?

860
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: And that's what I was hoping for for Mims. That's

861
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: what I was, you know.

862
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, yea, And but but I think those

863
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: those guys are are the special physical talent guys that

864
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: you say we can build around this piece if they've

865
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: got the right physical mindset to play the offensive line position.

866
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: One of the winners from the Senior Bowl was Jackson

867
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 3: Howell Johnson. I caught him a big pissed off SpongeBob today.

868
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: You referred to him as a mac.

869
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Truck right, got to rev it up.

870
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: He was doing a drill today. I think it was

871
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: a screen drill where he just threw the trainer that

872
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: was blocking. He's one of the blocking PAGs and everyone's

873
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: like what He clearly plays with a certain level of

874
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: aggression that he is bringing into these drills, and I

875
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: gotta think that teams are going to fall in love

876
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: with that, not just his skill set, but that mentality

877
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: that he's bringing around. What do you think about him?

878
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: I really is coming out of the Senior Bowl, I

879
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: was blown away by him, you know. I think today

880
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: you saw kind of He's not a every scheme type

881
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: of guy. He's a bigger guy. I mean, he's three

882
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: and forty pounds. He's big, wide backed, wide bodied center,

883
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: and he's got to kind of rev up to get

884
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: going a little bit. I think he could do some

885
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: outside zone stuff, but I think in a gap scheme,

886
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: heavy pass protection system like that guy would be awesome, right,

887
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: I think, And I think there's a reason people are

888
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: talking about him between fifteen and you know, twenty five

889
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: in terms of draft capital, right because he's got this physicality,

890
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: this strength to him, like he saw it like in

891
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: one on ones when we're we're watching the Senior Bowl.

892
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't know what he's doing. He's played center his

893
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 2: whole career. He jumps off the ball.

894
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: It's the maybe one of the worst past sets I've

895
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: ever seen the guy runs at him and he literally

896
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: just grabs this three hundred pound man and the guy

897
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: just can't move anymore. And that type of strength is

898
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: a is a superpower and he's got it because he's

899
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: got this really thick trunk, he's really thick, meaty forearms,

900
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: like he could play guard and center. He's got the mentality.

901
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: His film's excellent. I thought again, the athleticism was a

902
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: little bit I don't want to say disappointing, but like desired.

903
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the effort, train, the mindset.

904
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: Those are the other things about offensive line play that

905
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: are so important that people often forget about. Is you

906
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: got to be a little bit messed up. You gotta

907
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of want to be a little bit of a bully.

908
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: And he's got that bully mentality. Him and Cooper Beebee,

909
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: those guys are fun to watch on film because they

910
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: want to just shove your face in the dirt.

911
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: You know.

912
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: Telisi Fuaga right, we watched he was penalized multiple times

913
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: this year for blocking too hard. Like that's like and

914
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: I want you come to me right and bring yeah,

915
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: bring that mentality over. So those guys are all guys

916
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: that kind of stick out, that that kind of Fall

917
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: and Jordan Morgan's the other one, the other name at

918
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: guard that people might be looking to talk about.

919
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: I thought he had a fine day. You know, he's

920
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: a good athlete, so he's going to do well in

921
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: this stuff.

922
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: And I think the thing with him that when I

923
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: talk to people around the league is they want to

924
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: see a different mentality. He doesn't have that killer mentality.

925
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: He's got the athleticism, but he's not a killer. And

926
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: so I think, again I expected him to do well.

927
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: He did well today. It's how he's going to interview

928
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: with these teams. It's going to really kind of say, oh,

929
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: you're a back half of the first or a late

930
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: second round guy.

931
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: All right, any shout outs you got?

932
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

933
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: So I mean there's a couple, Yeah, there's a couple

934
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: of guys that I thought just kind of deserved a

935
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: shout out, just from an athletic standpoint. Cranson Barnhardt from Michigan,

936
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: he Place Center, just all the movement stuff looked great

937
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: and I hadn't heard of him, so I was like,

938
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: who's that guy?

939
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: Right? Like, great job.

940
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Sticking out doing what you need to do to kind

941
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: of get yourself noticed. Roger Rostin Gardner. He's the right

942
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: tackle for you, dub. Kind of a weird build, skinny arm,

943
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: skinny legs, but ran really well, ran the fastest forty,

944
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: is athletic, so if you can get him kind of

945
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: built up, I'm like that could be something. Now, getting

946
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: someone built up who's been in college for a long

947
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: time is not an easy proposition.

948
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: But the athletic traits were there.

949
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: Not always the best bender or whatever, but I liked

950
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: what I saw from him, and I just was really

951
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: impressed again with the forty and with some of the

952
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: movements stuff. And then Leyden Robinson from Texas A and M.

953
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: I had no idea who this guy was, but every

954
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: time again when I'm going through the drills watching I'm.

955
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: Like, that was pretty good.

956
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Who was like, oh lanon Robinson, Oh that was a

957
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: really nice punch on that bag, oh late Robinson, And

958
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: so TEXA and AM guard. I'm definitely going to go

959
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: check him out now because of the forty, because of

960
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: how he participated, how he finished, and was just really impressive.

961
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: And obviously Christian Haynes the Yukon guard they also deserved

962
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: a shout out, did a great job. Trying to think

963
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: of I'm forget anybody, but those are the guys that

964
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: really jumped off the screen, jumped off the page. Stee

965
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, how many guys are

966
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: that Jason.

967
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot. I have one more name to

968
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: throw at you, just because he was a winner for

969
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: us on day one at the Senior Bowl, and that

970
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: was Christian Jones.

971
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: Christian Jones.

972
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it didn't look like he stood out at

973
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 3: any point year, but he could be a later round guy.

974
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: He has a lot of experience. He played four years

975
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: at Texas, So what did you think of him today?

976
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: So the thing I like about Christian Jones, and it

977
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: shows up in the drill work, is his twitch. And

978
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: you don't usually like hearing that for offensive lineman, but

979
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: when he's running his forty, especially when it's to the

980
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: top end, he can pick him up and put him down.

981
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: He was in the drill.

982
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: He's got some snap to him. The thing is he's

983
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: a little stiff and that shows up on film. And

984
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: so it's like, I think that's why we're talking about

985
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: these ten to fifteen guys. This ten to fifteen prospects

986
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: is being you know, second, first and second round guys.

987
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: He feels like a third or fourth round guy who

988
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: could develop into a swing guy because of some of

989
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: the tightness. But I like the measurables, I like the twitch.

990
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: It's just you got to understand what you're getting with

991
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: him and understand his limitations.

992
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's why these drills are so great.

993
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Because they show you kind of, oh, this guy's a

994
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: little bit stiffer than I thought, or he wouldn't be

995
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: great if I asked him to do this, And I think, again, well,

996
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: I love his tape. I have him graded very highly.

997
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: I think he's not this elite physical athlete. He's not

998
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: this elite athlete that he would need to be at

999
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: that size to compensate. But I really liked the player,

1000
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: and I thought he had a solid day, just showed

1001
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: you who he was. And I think that's again part

1002
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: of the process.

1003
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: Logan, You and I watched nearly every single drill. And

1004
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: the reason I say nearly is because and I've been

1005
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: hyping on this ever since we sat out down on

1006
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: this podcast. We are I think, besides the NFL network,

1007
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: who is there covering it for television for broadcasts, we're

1008
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: the only ones who stay from the very first to

1009
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 3: the very last. I don't think I saw somebody else.

1010
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: Nobody can't and said, and you said, the NFL network,

1011
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: but they take commercial breaks. Yeah, they don't watch every rep.

1012
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: And so but the reason I say we ownmost is

1013
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: because today was also place kickers, long snappers and punters.

1014
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry Commanders fans, he pieced out, pieced out

1015
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: before they did. That's when we left. They were installing

1016
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: the goalpost. So sorry about that. We don't have any

1017
00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: analysis when the placekickers are punters. But but this was fun.

1018
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: This was a lot a lot of fun. It was

1019
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: tiring and exhausting, but man, we just love ball.

1020
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: We love ball.

1021
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: And it was great to see these guys in person, absolutely,

1022
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: and great to be here at like kind of the

1023
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: the the penultimate NFL convention, you know, and seeing all

1024
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: your friends and making good connections.

1025
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: So it's an awesome time for sure, I know.

1026
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: And and today I was sitting there and I was

1027
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, I am I watched at some point here,

1028
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 3: I watched the next great commander.

1029
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to think about it.

1030
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: And so we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna draft somebody

1031
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: who's going to be great, and I'm gonna say I

1032
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: saw him at the combine, right, I'm going to get

1033
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 3: to say that, which is pretty cool.

1034
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: It is very pretty cool to think about it. Very exciting, Yeah, sure.

1035
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: Very exciting. There's gonna be some good players that come

1036
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: out of this. We're pretty excited for.

1037
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: All right.

1038
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: So O Line, the Big Uglies, they were the last one.

1039
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: They are one of your favorite groups.

1040
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 2: I do enjoy watching them.

1041
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: I think we dived in pretty deep to that. All right.

1042
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: We have Brad Spielberger, a good guy to talk to

1043
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: you coming off this conversation because.

1044
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: O line was it something we asked him about.

1045
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: We asked him about O line when it as it

1046
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: parteams to the salary cap, Washington having the most salary

1047
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: cap space but a lot of holds to fill. So

1048
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 3: here's Logan's conversation with PFP's Brad Spielberger when Washington and

1049
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: our salary cap and how we can maximize that salary

1050
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 3: cap through free agency and the draft, and that starts win.

1051
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: Right out here with a very special guests today, Brad Spielberger,

1052
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: NFL analysts. Right, I know you're kind of a cap

1053
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: guy though, that's kind of your forte your area of expertise.

1054
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: Right, other cap in contracts too, but you know, trying

1055
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: to try to cover it all now these days.

1056
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: So I listened to a lot of your content. How

1057
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: do you get so much information? Like, I feel like

1058
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: you've got so much inside scoop on salary cap issues

1059
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: and the way teams want to go. Is that because

1060
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: of this event or is that just because you've got

1061
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: a lot of numbers on speed dial?

1062
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: Certainly this event is a big one. It's where you

1063
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: get the numbers that eventually get out of speed dial. Yeah,

1064
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I think if you're really just calling to

1065
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: kind of learn, and it's not about like intel and

1066
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: inside information and scoops and more, just hey, I'm trying

1067
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 4: to understand your process you're working, just where you're going through,

1068
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: I think he gets more, you know, fewer hung up

1069
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: phone calls or ignored text Hey, I'm just trying to

1070
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: learn what you're dealing with, what you're battling with on

1071
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: a you know, a daily basis.

1072
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: And I know we're going to kind of get into

1073
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: the meat of our question here in a second, but

1074
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: how does that help you in your process? Because like

1075
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: when you're kind of giving us an analyst, right, like

1076
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: your analysis of these different processes, Like every team works

1077
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, right in terms of how they

1078
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: handle a cap, and I'm.

1079
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: Sure that helps with your process as well for sure.

1080
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: And then that's a big part as well, is understanding

1081
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: and learning how different teams structure contracts or how they

1082
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: want to allocate their resources differently. Are they trying to

1083
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 4: be more spread out? Do they not mind maybe spending

1084
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: a ton in a certain position or using a lot

1085
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: of draft capital at a certain position. So yeah, no

1086
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: two team is alike really and how they go about it,

1087
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: but you know, it's very informative also just understanding like

1088
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: it's a small market, right, there's thirty two teams in

1089
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: it that are going for these players. So when you

1090
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: get a vibe and a sense and idea of where

1091
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: the market is in a general sense, you can then

1092
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 4: kind of make it more specific.

1093
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So obviously we're here at the combine. This is

1094
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of we're in the teeth of draft season, and like,

1095
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: I think the salary cap and the draft are such

1096
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: an interesting kind of pairing, right, because it's like this

1097
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: is where you can save a lot of money, you know,

1098
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: and I think there's an opportunity for the commander's here

1099
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: at too to kind of invest in a quarterback. What

1100
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: are the advantages in your experience with kind of getting

1101
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: that quarterback out a rooie deal. Obviously people talk about

1102
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: a lot, but you know, after talking with all these teams, like,

1103
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: what's your perspective on that.

1104
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a huge one. I think honestly, it's more

1105
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: and more becoming appreciated. Everyone knew the quarterback thing, but

1106
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: I think even across all positions, just like ensuring you

1107
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 4: get those premium guys that you know, edge tackle, wide receiver, interier,

1108
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: defensive lineman, now that can rush the passer, like guys

1109
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: that do not grow on trees, that don't really hit

1110
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: free agency if they're great players, and really just you know,

1111
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: there aren't a lot of guys walking around there are

1112
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: six three, three hundred, and then can you know, run

1113
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: a full rate and get it, you know, get upfield,

1114
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: rush the passer. So, but if the quarterbacks spot in particular,

1115
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 4: when you're looking this year, the number two of our

1116
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: pick will probably make eleven million dollars a year, and

1117
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: we're gonna have quarterbacks making sixty. Right, So you could

1118
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 4: argue let's say that guy in his second season is

1119
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: a top seven, top ten quarterback, it's CJ.

1120
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: Stroud.

1121
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: Just rout is a fifty million dollars a year value

1122
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 4: compared to what he's actually worth right now. So you

1123
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: and spends so much around that because you have all

1124
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 4: that surplus value. They get them more receivers, get them

1125
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 4: offensive line, get them defense because you're saving so.

1126
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 5: Much money on that quarterback.

1127
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: And you mentioned other positions of values, which I think

1128
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: it's an interesting concept, and like, how do you determine

1129
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: positions of value?

1130
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So for me, it's funny.

1131
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: I just came to it from the market, right, So

1132
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: people are often thinking like what's their on field value?

1133
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 4: What are they doing to help you win games? Which

1134
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 4: is obviously a massive part of it. I kind of

1135
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: just use the NFL and let them tell me, right,

1136
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 4: like how much are they paying these guys? And everyone

1137
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: always talks about running back, but like even tight ends

1138
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: a tough market.

1139
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 5: Safety has been a bit of a challenge.

1140
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 4: Outside of the top guys, so Off Paul linebacker has

1141
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: been a tough for guys as well. So I kind

1142
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: of just let the NFL tell me what they're thinking.

1143
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: To a degree, and then the next piece is we

1144
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 4: always talk top market, of course, but you'll see more

1145
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 4: fluctuation than you think in okay, second tier guys or

1146
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 4: they're making more, they're making less. Like there's a lot

1147
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: of ebbs and flows and how the league operates. But

1148
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 4: you know, for example, right now with receiver, it's like

1149
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: some teams are thinking, these guys are making so much money.

1150
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: Could we get two or three good to very good guys,

1151
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: maybe zero great guys, but the great guys are cast

1152
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: some of you thirty million dollars a year like stuff like

1153
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: that always kind of ebbs and foot Well, I'm.

1154
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: Glad you brought receiver up because I think in this

1155
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: class like it's it feels like a saturated draft class.

1156
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: And so for me as a GM, like why would

1157
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: I go out and pay a receiver?

1158
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: Whid I gotten PAYD T.

1159
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: Higgins when there's guys that you said are going to

1160
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: give me twenty million dollars in savings? Like What's like,

1161
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, can't I can't think of a good

1162
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: justification because I think the tight end market seems to

1163
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: reflect this value. Running back reflects this kind of surplus

1164
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: value getting the draft or receiver the price just seems

1165
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: to keep going up despite a volume of receivers coming

1166
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: in every year.

1167
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: Why why is that right? Right?

1168
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: The amount of draft classes in recently, I think maybe

1169
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: not last year, but most years have been so many

1170
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: good Yeah, No, it's a good point, and I think

1171
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 4: there are teams that start to feel that way now,

1172
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: where they're like, you know, unless we truly love this

1173
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 4: guy and think he is a number one, game changing,

1174
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 4: like top option, Like those guys are getting pinched, like

1175
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 4: the Michael Pittman's of the world. You mentioned T Higgins,

1176
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 4: there's a reason why they're probably getting tagged and those

1177
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: negotiations are going to be rocky. It's like those teams

1178
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 4: are saying, unless you're justin Jefferson and I'm giving you,

1179
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: you know, this massive deal, why would I give T

1180
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: Higgins Michael pitt twenty two to twenty three million dollars

1181
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 4: a year when I can go use those use that

1182
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 4: draft capital and then maybe add some mid tier options.

1183
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: It's it's definitely been a battle of recent year.

1184
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: So what you're kind of saying, and I don't want

1185
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth, is that the receiver

1186
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: market is kind of starting to reflect these other markets

1187
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: like the safety market where the top guys get paid

1188
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: top tier money. And now you think it's going to

1189
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: the receiver market's going to kind of follow that model,

1190
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: or you think.

1191
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: Or I think you're start to see a split yea,

1192
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 4: where there's plateaus and kind of drop offs in different

1193
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: tiers and if you're not in an upper echelon, it's

1194
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 4: not gradual, right. It's like, let's say te Higgins is

1195
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: eighty percent of Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson I get thirty

1196
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: doesn't mean to Higgins is going to get eighty percent, right,

1197
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 4: That's not how it works. It's not you know. So

1198
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: so that's the big thing is you see these tiers

1199
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: and these drop offs.

1200
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1201
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: And then other position that I think is interesting this

1202
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: year's draft specifically is tight end.

1203
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: Right.

1204
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: It's tight end because you've got kind of unicorn or

1205
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: guys that don't really fit the archetypical mold for the position.

1206
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: How do you quantify and where's the value there? Because

1207
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people saying Rock Bowers could

1208
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick. But one of the things

1209
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: I've heard you say and other people say around the

1210
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: NFL is that the savings you get, you know, like,

1211
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: how do you justify that when you compare Rock Bouers

1212
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: to Travis Kelsey's contract being a top ten pick.

1213
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 4: So that's the thing, right, It's the opposite where you're

1214
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 4: taking a guy Kyle Pitts, for example, a couple of

1215
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: years ago, immediately became a top five paid ten, a

1216
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 4: ten end in the NFL or not top top ten,

1217
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: but the fully guaranteed money in his deal was the

1218
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: most fully guaranteed money for a tight end in NFL

1219
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: history a rookie contract. That's yes, because there's obviously if

1220
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: the entire deal is fully guaranteed, and you know, tight

1221
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: ends and veteran deals don't get four five year deals

1222
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 4: that often. It's usually you know, three or four George

1223
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: Kill they get a five year deal. But but yeah,

1224
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 4: so there's two sides of the coin there. I think

1225
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: some teams are now making the reverse argument though, where

1226
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 4: they're saying, I see what you're saying on the rookie deal,

1227
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 4: it's not great.

1228
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 5: But if this guy is a.

1229
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 4: Premier pass catcher and I get to pay him the

1230
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: tight end money, not receiver money, then I'm getting the

1231
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: savings on that second deal. The issue is it's so

1232
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 4: hard to hit on these early tight ends.

1233
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 5: I mean TJ. Howkins is a hit for a different team.

1234
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 4: You know, you're Eric e Brons, You're you know, Kyle

1235
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: Pits has been okay, but like it's just it's been

1236
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 4: really tough. A lot of these guys, they're good for

1237
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: the second team, not not the drafting team.

1238
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: I also think, like with tight ends specifically, and this

1239
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: is where I think the drafts and you know, the

1240
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: franchise tag and the franchise just in general is very

1241
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: interesting because like these guys are, it's such so scheme dependent,

1242
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's why I think

1243
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: sometimes the second team it ends up working at better

1244
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: for him anyway.

1245
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: Know that about it, And you know, coaching changes and

1246
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: stuff like that happens, and the guy's no longer a

1247
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 4: priority like maybe he was originally with the first coach

1248
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: that brought him in. It is they're just very matchup specific,

1249
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: scheme specific, and I think it's like it's harder to

1250
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 4: just like drop a tight end and then drop a

1251
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 4: receiver and kind of find him a spot. Is he

1252
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: is he is he a ax? Is he a slot?

1253
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 4: Like you can work through that. Obviously, tight ends, Like,

1254
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: all right, can he in line block or not? Is

1255
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: he a move guy? These guys are all smaller now,

1256
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: and like good players can kind of fall fall out

1257
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: of a rotation a little bit.

1258
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1259
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: Another position of value that I think is really interesting

1260
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: this draft is the offensive line class, Like just seems

1261
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: like it's kind of again, there's a lot of guys

1262
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: in this class, a lot of guys that could be

1263
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: there potentially when Washington's picking in that you know, thirty

1264
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: six forty range getting that pick from.

1265
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: Are you a Bears fan? Yeah, yeah, right, I've got

1266
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: that pick from you.

1267
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, forty o O.

1268
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about that, you got

1269
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: Montes sweat.

1270
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 5: I think it's a good deal for all parties, honestly.

1271
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1272
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm sure you would advocate taking an offensive

1273
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: lineman or a pass rusher with those two picks, Like,

1274
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that?

1275
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: I do? I do.

1276
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: I think you're going to get some players. I know

1277
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: people are saying it's going to be like eight tackles

1278
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 4: in the first round potentially, like a ton of ton

1279
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: of talent there. But I think there are some interesting pieces,

1280
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: like a Troy Patana to me at Washington played left tackle.

1281
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: A lot of teams think he's a guard. I think

1282
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 4: you might go top twenty, top twenty five.

1283
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't fall there.

1284
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of guys I think that are

1285
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 4: you know that they can't play tackle, they can't play guard.

1286
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 4: Very very talented, high upside, good athletes. A Tyler Guiyt

1287
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: in Oklahoma. Does he slip out of the first round?

1288
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: That there are some pieces I think at thirty six

1289
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: and forty that could be important foundational cornerstone offensive lineman.

1290
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: And could you just talk about the financial implications of that, friends,

1291
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the tackle market. I'm sure you know

1292
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: it much better than I do. But what is the

1293
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: advantage of getting that guy young player on a deal

1294
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: long term in the second round at one of those

1295
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: cornerstone positions.

1296
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 4: So definitely a high market. The highest guys are making

1297
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 4: above twenty million. But the bigger one there is if

1298
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 4: you're a even good or above average young tackle, your

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Speaker 4: team is not letting you go. It's just so hard

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Speaker 4: to find quality tackle play in this league. So like

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Speaker 4: there's not even freegency you can get always here, Like

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Speaker 4: you can't get the greatest players you can get like

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Speaker 4: some good, solid, mid tier guys. In a tackling free agency,

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Speaker 4: you're getting either guys that have injury concern or they're

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Speaker 4: off the team for like a different reason. You're getting,

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Speaker 4: you know, young guys haven't panned out like the top

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Speaker 4: tackles this year. In my opinion, it's like Trent Brown

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Speaker 4: who's thirty and has bounced around a little bit, like

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Speaker 4: I think he's the top tackle on my boy Jena Williams,

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Speaker 4: and like, but in since he'd been okay, Like that's

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Speaker 4: the best type of player you're probably going to get

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Speaker 4: in free agency. It's just teams don't let those guys go.

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Speaker 4: They get a good, good player, they do not let them.

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Speaker 1: Go to the da of being is they like you

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Speaker 1: drop that guy. He's with your organization, He's a cornerstone

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Speaker 1: for a long time. And the guys you get in

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Speaker 1: free agency are a little bit wishy wash here or

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Speaker 1: not quite as uh established, maybe is that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just even compared to other positions, just really

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Speaker 4: really hard to find talent free agency at tackle.

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Speaker 1: As a man, I learned a lot in this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time. Thanks so much, Bred Sure,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having