1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Never told you protection for I Heart Radio, and today 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: is Tuesday, so that means women around the world. Do 4 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: you like that jingle? Yeah? Oh you had it that 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: had an accompaniment that was yes, and we've got this. 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: And as per usual, we wanted to talk about an 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: amazing woman who has been a hero for her country 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: and for her people, and we want to celebrate all 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: the things that she has done. And yes, we are 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: talking about Dr Amani Blore, who was documented for her 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: time as the director of a subterranean hospital and then 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: the Oscar nominated film The Caves released in twenty nineteen 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: by Ferris Fajard, who also had another documentary previously that 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: also was a Belief nominated about out Syria. UM and 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about her because obviously she is 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: a hero, and um I was able to after finding 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: her name in my many hours of research and trying 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: to find the perfect woman to highlight. I did see 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: that the movie was streaming on Hulu and stayed up 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: all night one night watching it in tears. So if 21 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: you haven't been able to check it out, you really should. 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: Doctor Amani Blore is a thirty three year old pediatrician 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: that helped lead an underground secret hospital known as the 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: Cave during the attacks, including the chemical attack in Eastern Guta, 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: which is the suburb of Damascus. Dr Armani was raised 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: in the area she later would serve as the youngest 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: of six. She had two brothers and three sisters, and 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: as she became a teenager, she, unlike her sisters, insisted 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: on continuing her education and moving on to college. Originally, 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: dr Emani wanted to be an engineer, but because her 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: family refused to support her in this, as engineering the 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 1: scene as a man's job, she moved on to study 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: medicine and focused on being a pediatrician. It wasn't long 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: after she graduated that she started volunteering at a hospital 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: in Eastern Guta, but the hospital, which at the time 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: was currently under construction, was attacked and seized, which forced 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: the small staff to be moved to an underground, unfinished 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: building later known as the Cave. We are referring to 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: her as Doctor Our Money because that's what she's referred 40 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: to throughout all the documentaries as well as any other reports, 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: So if you're wondering that's why so. She started her 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: career during the Syrian Civil War, which has been ongoing 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: for over ten years and yes ongoing, it's still happening. 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: The war has reached havoc and tragedy throughout the country, 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: killing over three hundred eighty thousand people, while two hundred 46 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: five thousand, three hundred people are missing or presumed dead. 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: At least of Syrians have been displaced since two thousand eleven, 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: and as one, at least thirteen point four million people 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: inside of Syria needed some sort of humanitarian assistance, including 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: more than twelve million who were struggling for food and 51 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: from malnourishment, include half a million children. And though medical 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: facilities are supposed to be under protect the status, there 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: have been at least five hundred attacks on three hundred 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: fifty different facilities which resulted in deaths of at least 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: nine hundred twenty three medical personnel and one who was 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: actually featured on the documentary as well and had left 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: only half of the medical facilities operational. Uh then this 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: is all according to the Physicians of Human Rights. During 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: her time in the Cave, Dr Monny was voted to 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: be the manager our lead of the hospital in twenty sixteen, 61 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: which made her the first woman and only woman to 62 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: lead and manage the hospital. She supervised the ins and 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: outs at the hospital and the constant chaos of a 64 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: hospital that was often low on supply and staff and 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: even treatment options. She spoke about how she had to 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: make the tough choices in which person to treat and 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: who to use what resources on quote, all of them 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: have the same symptoms, all of them are suffocating, but 69 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: I had to choose I will work with this child 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: and the other die. I always think about that. I 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: feel I am guilty, right, And if you do watch 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: the documentary, there's so much within the conflict and just 73 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: the emotional trauma on her and the rest of the 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: staff literally having to pick and choose who might survive, 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: who can be treated, and who isn't treated uma, And 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: during the filming of the documentary, you can see the 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: continued conflict of trying to remain calm during those situations 78 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: of continued life and death and being under constant threat 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: of being bombed. And you do see people being traumatized 80 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: and suffering from severe PTSD as events happen, and of course, 81 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: as a woman trying to navigate through a really sexist society. 82 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: As a lead of the medical facility, it's interesting to 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: see how she handles herself. At one point in the film, 84 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: she is confronted by a man who insists she gives 85 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: the medication and it or prescribes in the right medication 86 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: that they don't have and they can't find, and demands 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: to see a male manager, stating a male manager would 88 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 1: quote do a better job, and that quote women should 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: stay home, not work um and when not relent until 90 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: a male coworker who came and defended her, she pretty 91 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: much says she's the one who's leading. We voted for her. 92 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: She can do this, and you find the left it 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: was just the whole thing. And she stays about being 94 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: a woman leader. Quote men in our community they say, no, 95 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: you should be at home, or you can work in 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: your clinic, but not to be a manager of the hospital. 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: I insist, and I want to challenge them and prove 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: that a woman can. I have to support women because 99 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: if I succeed, all women will be supported. That will 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: make men think that of course women can succeed and 101 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: they can do that. And again in the film, they 102 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: have interlude where she's getting messages from our parents, and 103 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: they're like, come home, come home. You're bringing shame because 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: you're working and you should be home with us. And 105 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: of course it's just all low to worry about what 106 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: she's doing. But she's out here actually try to give 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: women jobs so they can provide for their families. At 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 1: one point, she goes out and visits the village people 109 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: and tries to give a woman a job and she 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: says she can't because she's a woman and she has 111 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: a stay home. And it was a really sad situation. 112 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: But this is her post. She's like, I will bring 113 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: as many women to work here as possible. She continued 114 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: the operations of the hospital until she was forced to 115 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: leave in after she and her career were told by 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: leaders of the Russian army quote, you should leave by 117 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: buses or we will kill all of you, and she 118 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: continued stating, I cried a lot when we left in 119 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: al Guta are our memories are dreams. I was born 120 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: in al Guta and grew up there, and I like 121 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the hospital, I like the cave. I can't find words 122 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: to describe what I felt at the time. She soon 123 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: was able to get refugee status in Turkey and moved 124 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: to Germany and has since married a Syrian man and 125 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: at one point wanted to move to Canada. Yeah. And actually, 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: if you remember, and this was one of those contentions 127 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: when during the Trump administration and they had banned all 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: travel from Muslims, essentially Muslim countries and uh, even though 129 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: they don't want admit it, it was a Muslim band, 130 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: and she and the filmmaker were having a hard time 131 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: getting a visa trying to attend the Oscars which they 132 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: were nominated for. Uh. And I remember it was a 133 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: huge debate, huge conversation, and finally they were able to 134 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: work it out. I think is what they would they 135 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: would say it and attend, and I'm really glad they 136 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: were able to. But of course it just shows once 137 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: again how misinformation and fearmongering just does such harmful things. 138 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Because this film was a good, amazing and I think 139 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: is everyone should see it. But she is currently trying 140 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: to establish a foundation to help other women and children 141 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: in conflict, partnering with the Belgian King Budeau Foundation, stating quote, 142 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: we aim to help and empower women in conflict zones, 143 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: to support women leaders and to support the children also, 144 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: And apparently she has decided as of I believe twenty 145 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: that she was stepping back away from being a pediatrician 146 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: because it's just too hard for her to work with children. 147 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: I completely completely get that in the sense of not 148 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: as much trauma as she saw, but even in my 149 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: small point of view with the children that I lost, 150 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: it's hard and it was detrimental to her. She talked 151 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: about just still thinking on it, think about how many 152 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: things that she wasn't able to do. It was definitely 153 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: a conflict for her, and I'd really good for her 154 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: for being able to move on from doing that for 155 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: her own health, insanity and improvement. But of course she 156 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: has been recognized for her tireless and fearless work in Syria. 157 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Here's a quote from a Deadline article. For her work, 158 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: she was recently awarded the Council of Europe's Raoul Wallenberg Prize, 159 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: named for the Swedish diplomat who saved thousands of Jews 160 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: during World War Two. Dr Emani Bellour is a shining 161 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: example of the empathy, virtue, and honor that can flourish 162 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: even in the worst circumstances the midst of war and suffering. 163 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: The Council of Europe Secretary General noted she risked her 164 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: own safety and security to help those in the greatest need. 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: And she has also been awarded the Voices of Courage 166 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Award from the Women's Refugee Commission, and I'm sure she's 167 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna get many more accolades and awards, especially with the 168 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: foundation that she's trying to established and being able to 169 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: talk about, I know, one of the big things where 170 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: as they were leaving Syria, as they were trying to flee, 171 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: she did talk about being sad, not being able to 172 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: be with her family, being able to see what was happening, 173 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: to finish her work, and feeling like at one point, 174 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I think she felt like she was giving up again 175 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: because she loved what she was doing. But the side 176 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: of the matter is it was something that she had 177 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: to consider for herself and her staff about the safety 178 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: and the needs for themselves and having to flee. It's 179 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: not easy. And uh, for a little more in depth 180 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: conversation about what's happening in Syria, there's definitely a lot 181 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: of documentaries out there that you can look into. BBC 182 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: has a really good article kind of rundown in the 183 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: timeline of what's been happening, which is where We got 184 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the statistics on here, and it is 185 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: it's really sad what's been happening and the amount of 186 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: damage that has happened. I know, at one point there's 187 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: a historical society who's trying to keep track of all 188 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: of the buildings that are just being decimated, UM, and 189 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: all of their history and their culture being decimated by 190 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: the air strikes, continued air strikes and wars that's happening, 191 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: and whether or not who's going to intervene. I know 192 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: there's a big conversation within the u N about what's 193 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: happening in Syria, and there's so many things happening around 194 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: the world that is heartbreaking, UM, and we want to 195 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: acknowledge that as well. For the things that are happening 196 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: in Palestine and the people who are being displaced and 197 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: murdered and just going through all this tragedy. We're thinking 198 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: about all of y'all, the people who are affected, the 199 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: families who are seeing this sort of afar. Yeah, please 200 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: know that we are sending love. I don't know what 201 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: else to say to that, is that seems so trivial 202 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: in comparison to what people are experiencing right now. Yeah, Yeah, 203 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: but certainly certainly on our mind and uh something we're 204 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: thinking about. As always, listeners, if you have a woman 205 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: that we should be highlighting in these segments, please email us. 206 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: You can do that at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at 207 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: ihar media dot com. You can find us on Instagram 208 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: at Stuff I've Never Told You are on Twitter at 209 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: mom Stuff Podcast. 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