WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Bowlegged Lou Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, What I Blue?

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<v Speaker 2>What's good?

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<v Speaker 3>Brother? What's up brother?

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<v Speaker 4>How you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Good?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Good man?

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<v Speaker 4>Cool man?

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<v Speaker 5>Cool hand? And he got a haircut this Oh nice,

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<v Speaker 5>nice nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to shape it up outside in my homie garage.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh outside, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, outside mass stuff in the garage. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>you do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I ain't seeing you with a haircut so long.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, who is that? What his name is?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Dangerous man with some money?

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<v Speaker 6>Man funny, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 7>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Quest Love Supreme. I'm your

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<v Speaker 7>host Quest Love. We have Teams Supreme today in the house,

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<v Speaker 7>we have live here where you right now?

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<v Speaker 5>I am at Los Angele.

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<v Speaker 3>Leans, Los Angeles at home.

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<v Speaker 5>YEP show is.

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<v Speaker 3>What's a Giant to Live quality poster behind me? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. That's commons.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry both of them.

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<v Speaker 5>It's that long time ago when they went on tour

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<v Speaker 5>with com and Niphat.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, I see, I see eons ago, eons ago,

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<v Speaker 7>Sugar Step in the house.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in the same place, but we're in separate rooms.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up? Sticks?

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<v Speaker 4>I like it this way you know, close by, but

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<v Speaker 4>not too close.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, uh fresh cut?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah man, yeah, man. Had to bring in the spring

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<v Speaker 8>the right way. So Win got cut up in my

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<v Speaker 8>homeboo garage today.

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<v Speaker 3>This is your first cut in a year or.

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<v Speaker 8>So or nah, it's only I've been cut a few times,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's only been over the year. I probably only

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<v Speaker 8>got cut like two three times, so it ain't been

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<v Speaker 8>and all. And every time I got cut it was

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<v Speaker 8>the same situation we was cutting outside. So this is

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<v Speaker 8>my first one in months since it's my first one

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<v Speaker 8>of the year for sure.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh okay, cool cool, all right, Well, good to see

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<v Speaker 7>you getting fresh for twenty twenty one. What can I say, y'all,

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<v Speaker 7>it's an honor and a pleasure to have our guest

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<v Speaker 7>on the show today.

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<v Speaker 3>Amongst his achievements being.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the founding members one of the most crucial

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<v Speaker 7>production teams in hip hop culture and music. But there,

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<v Speaker 7>I say, one of the first major production teams in

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<v Speaker 7>hip hop culture. Like previous to full Force his arrival

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<v Speaker 7>on the scene, I'll say that most music production was

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<v Speaker 7>usually a one man show or kind of a duo

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<v Speaker 7>at best. But it should be noted that in addition

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<v Speaker 7>to a vast array of the artists that they work with,

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<v Speaker 7>like Utfo, Britney Spears, Lisa Lisa Cult, Jam and Sink, Selena,

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<v Speaker 7>Backstreet Boys.

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<v Speaker 3>James Brown.

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<v Speaker 7>My favorite R and B name of all time, next

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<v Speaker 7>to Lelo Thomas, which is schoyl Pepsi Riley. I always

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<v Speaker 7>have to say her name with the zest of a

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<v Speaker 7>gospel play announcer Richard Simple, Siels, Ricky Bell sh pe

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<v Speaker 7>Wait a minute, I'm joking right now, but I believe

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<v Speaker 7>I heard wasn't there things for my child gospel play?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe there was one.

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<v Speaker 5>Really she was in gospel plays. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>it was the things for my child.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe I once heard it's it's one of those

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<v Speaker 7>things for my child moments in a gospel play. It's

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<v Speaker 7>like way before Tyle Perry. Anyway, I digress. Some of

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<v Speaker 7>the greatest jams ever name him Roxy and Roxanne. I

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<v Speaker 7>wonder if I take you home, can you feel the

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<v Speaker 7>beat static?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 7>Try me or as Jasmine guy pronounce it? Try had

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<v Speaker 7>to tell all cried out, way wait, wait, wait, way

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<v Speaker 7>more hits more than if you know?

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<v Speaker 3>If I name them, all will be here all night.

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<v Speaker 7>And despite his and his team's penchant for playing some

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<v Speaker 7>of the scariest villains on the silver screen, Chris.

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<v Speaker 3>Groove and use Fussy. Yeah, I will say that they're probably.

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<v Speaker 7>Some of the nicest guys ever, and I just I

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<v Speaker 7>personally want to add that, you know, growing up being

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<v Speaker 7>fourteen years old, stuck with a very doweby nerdy voice disposition,

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<v Speaker 7>our guest today was a personal hero of mine because

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<v Speaker 7>you just didn't see this level of nerdiness and funkiness

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<v Speaker 7>and authenticness coming from the same source. So I'll say

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<v Speaker 7>that he doesn't get enough praise for his contributions. And

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<v Speaker 7>I'm speaking for the entire four squad. They made an

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<v Speaker 7>immediate impression on me because there was definitely a moment

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<v Speaker 7>when I was like fifteen, trying to decide in the

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<v Speaker 7>crack era of West Philadelphia shoulda code switched my way

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<v Speaker 7>into adulthood or just be my nerdy self?

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<v Speaker 3>And I chose the latter wisely.

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<v Speaker 7>So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome two courts Love Supreme

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<v Speaker 7>my personal hero bow Legged Lou a full force, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 7>thank you man.

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<v Speaker 8>You guys, Lou, I don't know if you were I

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<v Speaker 8>don't know if you remember Lou we actually met. This

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<v Speaker 8>is probably this is a couple of years ago. The

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<v Speaker 8>Harris family in in Raleigh, North Carolina. They did teen

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<v Speaker 8>Fest and you and your brothers came over to the

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<v Speaker 8>crib and we met there. That was like my first time.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, this was probably like twenty fifteen or something.

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<v Speaker 8>It's some years back. But they're they're just a great family.

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<v Speaker 8>And they said, yeah, you know, the full force guys

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<v Speaker 8>are coming over, and I was like, really, wow, y'all

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<v Speaker 8>y'all showed up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh shit, it's really them. Well, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was it was Lou, it was Paul, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 2>and then be Fine.

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<v Speaker 8>It was just I think it was just three all

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<v Speaker 8>that night as y'allould do something for for teen Fest.

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<v Speaker 8>And I even called Knife that now. I was like, bro,

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<v Speaker 8>you ain't gonna believe you gotta come over here. He's

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<v Speaker 8>like what I said, Bro, you just got to come

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<v Speaker 8>over here. And he came over and like that whole night,

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<v Speaker 8>me and him were just texting each other back and forth,

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<v Speaker 8>like lines from house party and ship like.

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<v Speaker 2>But but now, y'all, y'all was good. Good dudes, man,

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<v Speaker 2>It was good to meet y'all brothers.

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<v Speaker 9>Man, brother man, And I'm glad you shouted out the

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<v Speaker 9>Harris family because of uh Donald y Maria her husband

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<v Speaker 9>or ex husband.

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<v Speaker 2>I think now is it Lenny Lennis? I think they

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<v Speaker 2>still married. As far as I know, they're still marri Okay.

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<v Speaker 9>But anyway, still beautiful people regardless we're together.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait, we always got to ask if couples have made

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<v Speaker 7>it past uh past the pandemic. You know, I've taken count.

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<v Speaker 7>There's at least eighteen of my friends that have not

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<v Speaker 7>make it right, didn't make it.

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<v Speaker 3>H Lou. I know.

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<v Speaker 7>Your your brothers are are be finding Paul Anthony, but

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<v Speaker 7>what's are what's your relationship with uh Shashai, Kurt.

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<v Speaker 3>And baby Jerry? Like, are they cousins or they're just friends?

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<v Speaker 9>No, they are blood cousins. So it's a family of fear.

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<v Speaker 9>They are three cousins, and you know we have a

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<v Speaker 9>family of fair.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, So it's kind of like the Isley brother situation,

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<v Speaker 7>which it's three main brothers and then adding family members

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<v Speaker 7>and supplementing the group.

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<v Speaker 3>Yo, man, this is it. What's weird is.

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<v Speaker 7>That you and I became friends on social media and

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<v Speaker 7>I always wanted to interview you, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 7>why I always kept a distance because.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to save our first conversation for the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 7>So if anything, I kind of I made Jimmy Jam

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<v Speaker 7>his proxy because I've already interviewed Jimmy Jam. So like

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<v Speaker 7>now Jam and I like talk every day, but this

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<v Speaker 7>is like the moment I've been waiting for it for

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<v Speaker 7>the show. Like want to use this as as that movement.

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<v Speaker 7>Where are you right now as we speak.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm actually upstairs and in my office.

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<v Speaker 7>But I mean, I don't I don't know what city

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<v Speaker 7>you reside in now, don't Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 4>Pennsylvania, the Poconos. That's why that's where I live. Wow.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, Yes, me and my brothers, we've been up here

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<v Speaker 9>for like at least fifteen years. And what you know,

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<v Speaker 9>the three of us, we just made a brother move

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<v Speaker 9>from Brooklyn to here, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And my I, I never really wanted to move here.

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<v Speaker 9>But what made me come here is that Paul all

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<v Speaker 9>of a sudden, when he was going through his cancer journey,

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<v Speaker 9>he just wanted to move.

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<v Speaker 4>He just wanted to we just let's get out of Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just go.

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<v Speaker 9>So I was my brother's keeper during all his cancer journey.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm like, okay, he said.

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<v Speaker 4>He said to me, he said, listen, this is what

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to do. I already spoke to Be, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>be fine.

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<v Speaker 9>I spoke to Be and we said, let's all moved together,

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<v Speaker 9>and we just built some houses from ground up.

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<v Speaker 4>We go to the Pocono's.

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<v Speaker 9>We don't want mom to live by herself anymore, so

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<v Speaker 9>she'll live with you. And because you're not married anymore,

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<v Speaker 9>you know me be still married. So that's what we're

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<v Speaker 9>gonna do. And that's what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, and that was it. I mean, I'm like, damn,

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<v Speaker 4>who made that decision? It wasn't me, But I was

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<v Speaker 4>my brother.

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<v Speaker 9>I was my brother's keeper and I'm here now, so

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<v Speaker 9>it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>So with moms, man, how many moms in the house,

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<v Speaker 2>how is they?

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<v Speaker 10>Like?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, my mom's I became a primary care taker last

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<v Speaker 9>March when COVID started, so she lives with me and

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<v Speaker 9>it's all good.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm just taking care of it the best way I can.

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<v Speaker 9>And my brothers are chipping and pitching. And she was.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, she's got health issues, but we're here for her,

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<v Speaker 4>just like she was for us when we were growing up.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>I can dig it.

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<v Speaker 7>So have you guys always made decisions with each other

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<v Speaker 7>like nomads, because this is it's definitely like a new

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<v Speaker 7>mad move where no matter what happens, we all moved together,

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<v Speaker 7>which is weird because once I became adult, the first

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<v Speaker 7>thing I did was got as far away as possible

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<v Speaker 7>from my family.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 9>So funny is that Paul lives that we live in

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<v Speaker 9>the same cul de sac.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like directly across from me.

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<v Speaker 9>He wanted to me that close to our mom so

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<v Speaker 9>were directly he could open his door.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey lord, y'all right, and he shaid, like all the

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<v Speaker 4>time back and forth.

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<v Speaker 9>My brother b he lives like I would say, ten

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<v Speaker 9>minutes from us, and he's like, listen, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Mind living close to y'all, but I just don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to live too close. That was, you know, but.

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<v Speaker 9>Paul's directly across from me, like directly across with our houses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to ask, like, what made it?

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<v Speaker 6>What made the Poconos Because y'all are from Brooklyn, so

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<v Speaker 6>you could have did Jersey, you could skip Philly, gelt everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Why just the Poconos.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean Goeta, ask Paul, I mean him and be

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<v Speaker 9>They wanted to do that, and.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what we did.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't really want to come out here, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's just fine. It's cool.

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<v Speaker 9>But my night life was always New York City, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>and it'll stay my night life, especially when COVID finishes up.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was going back.

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<v Speaker 9>And forth anyway, because we still have like a little

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<v Speaker 9>crash pad office in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm from Philly, so you know, I used to go

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<v Speaker 7>to the Poconos a lot. Are you guys near Strausburg

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<v Speaker 7>or is there another part.

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<v Speaker 4>Of you We're close? You were close by Strausburg.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta ask you are those.

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<v Speaker 7>Are those like resorts still open, like uh, Cove Haven

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<v Speaker 7>and Paradise Stream and.

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<v Speaker 3>All the.

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<v Speaker 4>Still yes, still.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>The kind of circuit that my dad did was always

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<v Speaker 7>like you know, you would do, uh, you do the

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<v Speaker 7>cat Skills, and then you do two months in the

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<v Speaker 7>cat Skills, and then we do like three months in

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<v Speaker 7>the Poconos. And back then I was like too young

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<v Speaker 7>because these were like newly wet resorts, so you weren't

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<v Speaker 7>allowed to kids weren't allowed on the property. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 7>you know that's where I did a majority of my

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<v Speaker 7>MTV watching because I just had to stay in the

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<v Speaker 7>house and watch SIMTV nine hours while they were work

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<v Speaker 7>because kids weren't allowed to just walk around. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of missed it there. So what part of

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<v Speaker 7>Brooklyn were you guys from.

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<v Speaker 9>Initially, Well, began with me and my two brothers, Like

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<v Speaker 9>we grew up as very young kids and that's when

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<v Speaker 9>we started, you know, singing, thanks to my father's when

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<v Speaker 9>they groomed us for that.

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<v Speaker 4>And we started out in Bedford Stuyvesant. First we lived

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<v Speaker 4>on six seventy Halsey Street between Patchen and Reed. Then

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<v Speaker 4>we moved to Kingston Avenue which was Crown Heights Kingston

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<v Speaker 4>Avenue between Brigand and Dean, and then we moved to

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<v Speaker 4>East Flatbush Lenox Road between Scnnected and East forty six.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we got to East Flatish is when you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we became full force with our cousins because they were

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<v Speaker 4>already living there.

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<v Speaker 7>And what what was the the environment like in Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 7>at the time when you were growing.

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<v Speaker 9>Up well and in Bedsty I would have to say no, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>in Bedsty, I mean it was cool.

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<v Speaker 4>You would never know. It was kind of crazy because

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<v Speaker 4>we were in a public school then. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>when we went.

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<v Speaker 9>To Crin Heights in Brooklyn, man, we were just it

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<v Speaker 9>was just some good times. We'd be on the on

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<v Speaker 9>the street corners playing skelly right on the damn ground,

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<v Speaker 9>like every day we played Steel the Bacon.

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<v Speaker 4>We played Booties Up. We would and we would always

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<v Speaker 4>go to theston.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, Booties Up is like you chase, you chase

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<v Speaker 9>people around the whole damn block and then when you

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<v Speaker 9>capture them, you line them up against the wall and

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<v Speaker 9>it's almost like.

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<v Speaker 4>A firing squad, but instead of a firing squad, they

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<v Speaker 4>all with their butts out where clothes of course. And

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<v Speaker 4>we would take these pency pink of balls like how

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<v Speaker 4>you play. And when we used to make some sore

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<v Speaker 4>answers and it was crazy, reckless and they were hurting

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<v Speaker 4>people and making people. That's what we played.

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<v Speaker 3>We would take it to the next level in West

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<v Speaker 3>Philly and use softballs. Oh yo, ma aastball. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, I gotta ask because the thing is is that

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<v Speaker 7>I know, like nothing irks me more when people make

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<v Speaker 7>a big deal of like you speak so well, because

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<v Speaker 7>they're basically trying to say that the exterior from which

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<v Speaker 7>the voice is coming out of does not match the voice,

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<v Speaker 7>which I mean, I grew with that ship all my life.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I was always a big dude, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 7>of scary looking or whatever. And then I start talking

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<v Speaker 7>and they're like they're totally disarmed. And but was it

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<v Speaker 7>always that way for you when you were growing up

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<v Speaker 7>in Brooklyn?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean not really, but you know, I think because

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<v Speaker 9>I remember, I remember you broke that same see I

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<v Speaker 9>remember everything when we connected on social media. I think

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<v Speaker 9>it was what was in my space. I'm thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 9>that's just sketched.

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<v Speaker 10>But but you exactly mentioned that to me and you said, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 10>I remember when you guys did so trained, and Don

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<v Speaker 10>Cornelius must have said twice an intew.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you guys are very articulate, and we really like

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<v Speaker 4>you and you're very articulate, and you know, because the

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<v Speaker 4>way we looked, and you know, we came up with

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<v Speaker 4>Jerry Curls.

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<v Speaker 9>We're definitely the first R and B group to show

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<v Speaker 9>physical fitness for seeks, So.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's lightly putting it that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Theerson doing so that's what people just made live jokes.

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<v Speaker 4>So people just thought differently. But when we started talking

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<v Speaker 4>and flowing, you know, people get caught off guard. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why, but that's just how it is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, people. You know, I'll never forget when we

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<v Speaker 4>were getting rided. When we was we was.

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<v Speaker 9>On the set of House Party two and Ralph Trendsman,

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<v Speaker 9>who was performing in House Party.

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<v Speaker 4>Two, he did a number right right exactly. He said

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<v Speaker 4>to us, he said, Man, let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 9>When I first heard that y'all were going to be

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<v Speaker 9>a house party, I kept saying to myself, Well, what.

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<v Speaker 4>The hell are they gonna do? How are they gonna

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<v Speaker 4>how are they gonna say their lines? Are they gonna say?

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<v Speaker 4>Look at spot run, look.

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<v Speaker 9>At When you told me that, I was saying, you're crazy, man,

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<v Speaker 9>That's what I thought.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, it's hilarious, nah.

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<v Speaker 7>Dude, because I I was gonna say. The reason before

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<v Speaker 7>I got my current management. Now, there was like one

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<v Speaker 7>dude in Philadelphia that might have been in some street

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<v Speaker 7>activity in Philadelphia and he wanted to like invest money

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<v Speaker 7>in the roots and like, you know, give us like

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<v Speaker 7>a couple like twenty thousand to do a demo or

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<v Speaker 7>something like that. But I kept thinking about you guys

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<v Speaker 7>and Cruss Groove and was like, Nope, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Not.

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<v Speaker 3>So how well okay?

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<v Speaker 7>I always ask, well, do you remember the first album

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<v Speaker 7>or first record you ever purchased?

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<v Speaker 11>The first album I ever purchased was The Temptations Greatest Hits,

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<v Speaker 11>and that's when they were still on Motown and it

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<v Speaker 11>was only like ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Songs on there. They didn't have that picture on the cover.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just Temptations on that.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, listing their greatest hits like the Way You Do,

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<v Speaker 9>the Things You Do, all their early stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I've been a Temptations nerd since since I was

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<v Speaker 4>in public school, always loving the Temptations. My brother Paul

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<v Speaker 4>would always make fun and go, oh, you really like

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<v Speaker 4>the Temptations, all twenty five of them?

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, well that was my group back then and still

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<v Speaker 9>their legacy is still my all time favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>And I got every Temptation album you can mention it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the Temptations the whole stock. Bear Back too.

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<v Speaker 4>I got bear Back.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time I heard this song, I lost my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck riding?

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<v Speaker 4>I got their winners and I got their losers. I

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<v Speaker 4>got to.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait, no, this is I mean, I didn't. I didn't necessarily,

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't. I wasn't too discerning as a kid when

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<v Speaker 7>records came in the house. But I definitely knew my

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<v Speaker 7>dad's face when he brought home the House Party album

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<v Speaker 7>that came out, I think after a Song for You.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was seventy six.

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<v Speaker 7>And I remember again like I was five years old,

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<v Speaker 7>so I didn't know what critically claimed was or of

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<v Speaker 7>a good record of bad record, but I definitely remember

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<v Speaker 7>my dad being not too happy with that, particularly Tim

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<v Speaker 7>Tason's record, and so wow.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, house Party, I remember that one too many they had.

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<v Speaker 9>They did a house Party album for the damn movie

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<v Speaker 9>exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait, what's the what's the order of of you and

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<v Speaker 7>your brothers?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's the oldest in middle and youngest?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the oldest, Paul Anthony is the middle, and my

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<v Speaker 4>brother b Fine is the youngest out of the three

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<v Speaker 4>of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Aren't y'all y'all a first generation? Like aren't your parents

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<v Speaker 5>from the Islands?

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<v Speaker 4>Well yeah, rikers.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I don't know what I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>My tumb spelled for this, like.

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<v Speaker 5>She was like, wow, damn, no, I know Rikers right

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<v Speaker 5>from the jump.

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<v Speaker 4>My father's from Saint Thomas Virginalad's okay, and my mother's

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<v Speaker 4>from Mom sent to Domingo from Santa Mingo, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was born. I was also born at Saint Thomas Virginald's.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like three years old when I came up

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<v Speaker 4>to New York.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, was Paul was made in Saint Thomas was

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<v Speaker 9>born in New York?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait, is that do Mingo?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that Dominicanican Republic?

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<v Speaker 4>That's the Dominican Republic? Yeah, indeed, so.

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<v Speaker 7>What is that summer summer of nineteen eighty I lived

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<v Speaker 7>in the Frenchman's reef.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you really what my parents did? You know?

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<v Speaker 7>Like my parents would do like three to six months

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<v Speaker 7>residency at a resort.

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<v Speaker 3>So oh okay, the entire the.

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<v Speaker 7>Frenchman's reef, so like the Kanticky and they would just

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<v Speaker 7>go between Saint John's, Saint Saint John's, Saint Thomas, and

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<v Speaker 7>Saint Croix, I believe, like, but we lived in the

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<v Speaker 7>frenchman the reef in there, and all I remember was

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<v Speaker 7>that's the first time I saw like old black men

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<v Speaker 7>playing dominoes just on the street corner yeah, what.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the game for the islands?

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<v Speaker 3>But they will break the table like right, exactly, like

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<v Speaker 3>that level.

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<v Speaker 5>Of that or brother brother Domino.

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<v Speaker 7>Brother No, yeah exactly, you had it correct the first time.

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<v Speaker 7>So growing up in Brooklyn, like what was it just

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<v Speaker 7>a musical environment?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what were the first shows you went to?

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<v Speaker 7>And how did that affect you and your brothers as entertainers?

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<v Speaker 9>Man, Well, what happens that as we were growing up,

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<v Speaker 9>me and my brother's starting out and we were so

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<v Speaker 9>young when my father was assembling us to sing, like

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<v Speaker 9>I think Paul had to be eight years old third

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<v Speaker 9>grade and I was nine, and then my brother Beefine

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<v Speaker 9>was five, but Paul was the first one that started singing.

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<v Speaker 9>And this was in when we was in bed sty

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<v Speaker 9>and Paul was the first one singing. He was singing

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<v Speaker 9>in the bathroom because we didn't have a shower, but

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<v Speaker 9>we had a bathroom and he was singing in the

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<v Speaker 9>bathroom and he was singing this song by Smokey Robinson

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<v Speaker 9>call if you Can Want, And Paul would sing that

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<v Speaker 9>song and my father was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh shit, honey, She'd tell me he got a voice,

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<v Speaker 4>and my and my father, he was one of those

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<v Speaker 4>dou wop singers.

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<v Speaker 9>He'd be on the street corners with his friends and

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<v Speaker 9>they were doing the doop harmony.

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<v Speaker 4>They they had groups called the Criterions. He used to

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<v Speaker 4>even work with Frankie Lyman one time, but that was

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<v Speaker 4>his way.

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<v Speaker 3>The father was in the Criterions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Criterions. Yeah, he was in that group.

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<v Speaker 7>That I'm a I'm a do wop kid myself, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I know that name wow.

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<v Speaker 9>And they used to do harmonies at the house and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the one that taught us about how to sing harmony.

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<v Speaker 9>And it would be me and Paul because I got

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<v Speaker 9>interested because he was working with my brother, so I

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<v Speaker 9>got a little jealous and.

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<v Speaker 4>He started working with me.

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<v Speaker 9>My brother b Fine wasn't really interested in singing, but

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<v Speaker 9>my father forced him and he said and he would,

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<v Speaker 9>he would, he would give him a spanking.

0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 4>If you don't sing, you do nothing else. And he

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 4>had no choice. He had no choice but to sing.

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 3>And I was waiting for the Joe Jackson Stewart all right.

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's kind of like that, but he wasn't wasn't

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 4>that mean.

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:29.719
<v Speaker 9>But once we started singing, then my uncle Sito formed

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 9>us as a group.

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.160
<v Speaker 4>He bought us these frill shirts and he.

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 9>Made us a group and we went by the name

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 9>of the Amplifiers.

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 4>When we were growing up in Brooklyn, and we started

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 4>out so young, but we would be singing the songs

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 4>from the records, you know, Bowl of Confusion twenty five

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 4>miles by Edmund Starr, one of my favorite joints, and

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 4>we would just be doing that as we're growing up.

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 9>And then what happened is that they took us to

0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 9>the Apollo Theater because back in the day before showtime

0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:57.880
<v Speaker 9>at the Apollo, of course, the Apollow used to have

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 9>like shows every week.

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 4>They would have like ten shows every week, you know,

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 4>two or three shows.

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:08.199
<v Speaker 9>A day, and they had a Paramach Night every Wednesday,

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 9>way before showtime at the Apollow, but every Wednesday, and

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 9>you had.

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 4>To win first prize four weeks to row, and if

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.639
<v Speaker 4>you do that, you get to appear on the Professional Show.

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 9>Well, we went on there and we did the song

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 9>called Cloud Nine, which was by the Temptations, and we

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 9>killed it like every week, and we won first place

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 9>at the Apollo Theater every week, and then we appeared

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 9>on the Professional Show with the late Great Joe Techs

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 9>and the Whispers, which was the whispers. First time at

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.719
<v Speaker 9>the Apollo Theater. Back then they had a song call.

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 9>Seems like I got to do wrong. And and I'm

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 9>telling you before that, my uncle, my aunt, my father

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 9>would take us to the Apollo Theater like religiously when

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 9>we saw all these shows growing up youngsters, you know,

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 9>Joe Simon, you know, Linda Jones Makes You Rest in Peace,

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 9>Curtis Mayfield, tempta Supreme, I mean yeah, I mean.

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 4>Tyrold Davis, turn Back the Hands of Time. I mean,

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 4>we grew up with all that music lineage, you know,

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 4>and the Apollo Theater was magic. Man, it was like magic.

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 4>So that's how we started, you know, like that.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 3>Can you all? Right?

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 7>So I always wanted to ask anyone that's ever participated

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 7>in Amateur Night when they come on this show, and

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 7>I always forget to ask them pre pre showtime at

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:36.640
<v Speaker 7>the Apollo, what is the actual ritual for getting on

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 7>and then doing Amateur Night?

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 3>Like do you have to have chord charts?

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 7>Do you bring a cassette to whoever the m D

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 7>is or do you just say we're doing my girl

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 7>in uh, you know, in e minor and they automatically

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 7>know it, Like what's the process of Amateur Knight.

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 9>Well, well, yeah, we had a guy with us named

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 9>Jorge McKennon, so he knew a lot of the people

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 9>back there. And the way we got through we never

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.439
<v Speaker 9>auditioned or nothing. He was like, pay somebody under the

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 9>table and bam. We would be on the amateur night

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 9>and in order to get there, the band we would rehearse.

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 4>The band would rehearse with people and if they knew

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 4>the song.

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 9>Which they always knew, most of them they knew the song,

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.880
<v Speaker 9>they would just get the key or sometimes yeah, people

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 9>would bring in their music they practice for sheet music.

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 4>Okay, we got it. Sometimes the band didn't know the song.

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 4>All right, you got to come up with another one.

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 4>What do you got another song?

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 4>And then they would know it, you know what I mean.

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 4>So that would be the thing.

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 9>And we'd all be practicing it, just getting everything together.

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 4>And it was crazy.

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 9>They used to have all the all the amateurs would

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 9>be downstairs in the basement and you could hear like

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:52.199
<v Speaker 9>the professional show, like Stevie Wonder stomping on the on

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 9>the ground and you can on the stage and you

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 9>can hear him from in the seat. I'm like, wow,

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 9>Stevie Wonder like stomping right now, singing stupid.

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 4>Stition or whatever you know.

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we would That's how we would

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 9>get it with the band members and they knew Cloud Nine.

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 9>We didn't have to give them court. They just had

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 9>to get it in our right key. And we was

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 9>able to do it with the with the Apollo band.

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay.

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 7>I always wanted to know, like if someone threw a

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 7>curveball like I want to do Dian Warick's do you

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.360
<v Speaker 7>know the way the San Jose and the band would

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 7>say like, naw, we don't know that ship.

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:24.679
<v Speaker 3>That's why I asked, like, did you have to?

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 7>That explains why everyone did like Luther Vandross if only

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 7>for one.

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Night or yeah, or.

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 2>The open mic selection right right exactly?

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I get it now. So just leading into.

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 7>Your actual recorded career, The first time I heard of

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 7>you guys was on Curtis Blow's Party Time. But when

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.360
<v Speaker 7>was the when was the first side that you actually cut?

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 7>Like the first time that you guys were in the

0:27:58.760 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 7>studio recording stuff.

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:02.959
<v Speaker 9>The first thing that we have a cut, well, we

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 9>did songs. The first studio thing we ever did was

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 9>a song called Turn You On and it was on

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 9>a small little independent label in Brooklyn. It was on

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 9>Dazz Records, and we thought we made it only because

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 9>on Dazz Records in the Brooklyn was a big hit record.

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 4>Called Super Ryan Rap by Jimmy Spicer. Yeah right, May

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 4>he rest in peace, and we're like, wow, we made it.

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 9>We're on the same label as him. I mean, we

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 9>didn't have no damn hit would turn you on. But

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 9>that was like our first joint recording it, I mean.

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Like after that, Yeah, we worked with Curtis Blow.

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 9>We did five songs on two different Curtis Blows album

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 9>and the first one, you know, we did a song

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 9>called big Time Hood and we did a song called

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 9>under Fire, and we actually produced those songs, but at

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 9>that time we didn't really have much say so we

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 9>we had. We got the credit of co writing it

0:28:58.080 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 9>and I got to give it. And the biggest song

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 9>we did with Curtis was Yeah, party Time, Party Time,

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.479
<v Speaker 9>whoa is part of time? That song he brought us

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 9>on tour with him and we still weren't known, but

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 9>he took us on tour and we did a tour

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 9>with him. New Edition Midnight Star Rick James and Mary

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 9>Jane Girls and I'll never forget this. Listen, there's a

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 9>crazy story, Kurt. If he hears the story, this is.

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 4>Gonna be my first time saying it. Because I want

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 4>to give I want to get quest.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 7>I think, I think I know this is going because

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 7>Curtis told us the story about party time.

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 3>But go ahead, you tell me the story.

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 4>You did he do on the show?

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 3>On the on the show, Well, he told us a

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 3>story about doing it in d C.

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yes, because that's the go Go joint, that's the

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 5>Go Goo.

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, oh yeah he did, but he just talked

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 6>about performing it. It probably ain't the same story.

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Right, but go ahead, Oh man, I hope I don't.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to get mad. But here's the deal.

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 4>So of course we did the song basketball.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 9>We co wrote that actually and played on that with

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 9>him be all the time.

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 4>When we went on the road, Oh.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 9>Lord, when we went on the road, Kurt. This was

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 9>the same time New Edition was starting to get really

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:18.959
<v Speaker 9>popular and they just came out with their first album

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 9>and they was the opening act, and then after them Curtis,

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 9>then Midnight Star, Mary Jane Girls, Rick James, and.

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 4>This particular night man.

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 9>The promoter said, all right, Curtis, you're going to open up,

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 9>oh this night, and he was pissed.

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Now. They talked about this some kind of way in

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 4>the New Edition mini series. Oh man, Kurt, don't get

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 4>mad because Curtis, you know, back this was back then,

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 4>so so upset. And remember we're unknown, but we're cool.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 4>But he's pissed off. So he's so pissed off.

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 9>He's pissed off a new Edition even though it wasn't

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 9>New Editions idea for him to.

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 4>Right, and he did not.

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 9>He was so he said, man, they should have some

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 9>damn respect. They don't have no respect for me.

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 4>And he was pissed now. So then he said to

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 4>us the man, oh lord, he said, okay, this is

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 4>what we're gonna do. Man, open up.

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 9>When we walk out of this dressing room, we're gonna

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 9>walk right past their dressing.

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 4>Room and we're gonna say it soon as we soon

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 4>we leave there, I want all of us to say,

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Mothers from Ballston. And it was like it was like

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 4>a chant.

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 9>And and he said, y'all with me, and and and in.

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 4>My mind, I'm like, but I like New Edition.

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 12>But we we kind of liked him, oh well, And

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 12>and we all We all said it as we left

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 12>the dress room.

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 9>We were just all saying it like a chant, going

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 9>past the damn dress room, right up until the stage.

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 4>And then he quiet us down from saying it. And

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 4>I remember it like it was yesterday. It was crazy,

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 4>but that was back then. Kurt's a whole different guy now.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 4>But oh yeah, of course we following suit. We did

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 4>what we had to do, and that was it.

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 5>And was there ever a full force new addition, wait,

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 5>new audition for force collaboration?

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 4>Well, on the basketball court, basically, we used to play

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 4>a lot of We used to play a lot of

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 4>games against them, and then after they got tired of

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 4>beating us, they said to us, yo, man, since you

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 4>can't beat us, we might as well join y'all. And

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 4>then they became part of our celebrity basketball team that

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 4>played up. Oh yeah, we played against our senior hall

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Denzel Washington, and there was Mike Bimins and Ronnie Debo

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 4>that played with us. Oh I know, MIKEL. Knight played

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 4>with us. He could bawl his ass off. Dondre Whitfield,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 4>ecstasy from Udini, may he rest in peace, Graham ask

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 4>d Man. Those were our teammates.

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 9>Man, and it was crazy, you know, the games we

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 9>used to have against so many different people, the full

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 9>Force all Stars we called ourselves.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Hey, on those Curtis Blow records.

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 7>Did you guys ever have any interaction or work with

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 7>Larry Smith at all?

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 4>Yes, the legendary Larry Smith.

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's hard. It's hard for.

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people that work with him direct. Yeah.

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 7>Can you tell us about like his just him in

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 7>general and like his his work.

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well, Larry Man, he was a genius. You know,

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 4>he played the guitar, of course, but he was just

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 4>a genius songwriter and in the in the studio, he

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 4>was just really a workaholic and he always wanted stuff

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 4>to get right. And he was like Russell Simmons, like go.

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 9>To guy, you know what I mean, a lot of

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 9>times with one DMC, with Houdini, you.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:03.959
<v Speaker 4>Know, with Curtis Blow. Larry was like a staple and

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 4>he and he and he knew his music, you know

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 9>And if and if anybody says, oh, Larry's not like that, no,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 9>it is like that.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 3>It is like that.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 9>It's always Larry's way, no matter what. And and he

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:16.879
<v Speaker 9>didn't want to hear nothing.

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 4>So that's the respect you build up. So if anybody's like,

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know Larry's doing it right,

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 4>they don't say it to him. They say to themselves

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 4>amongst other people think Larry's right.

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Why did I say, no?

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 4>This is it? I'm telling you, hilarious.

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Guy working with quest left. Okay, I get it. Okay.

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 7>Another question I've been dying to ask you.

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 3>You you all right?

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 7>You just gotta you just gotta come out and tell

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.919
<v Speaker 7>me the truth. Now I'm skipping to u TFO. Were

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 7>those cuts on the Leader of the Pack and especially

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 7>the fade out on rock Sande Roxanne?

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Were those real from doctor Ice or from from Mixed

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:03.919
<v Speaker 3>Master Ice?

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 7>Or do you guys just sample come on now it's

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 7>too perfect and too executed, or did you sample those

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 7>sounds because.

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 4>It's too perfect? Those are cuts? Those are those are

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 4>Mixed Master Ice?

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.479
<v Speaker 9>No, for real, Seriously, I wish my brother b Pharm

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 9>was here because b Fine is the one that orchestrated

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 9>all of that and with mix Master, and he always

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 9>told mix Master because he was definitely the first DJ

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 9>in hip hop, I don't I don't know who else

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 9>came before him that would play like a musical instrument

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 9>when he scratched on a lot of songs. No DJs

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 9>was doing that, but being that Be was a musician

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 9>and he was a drummer as well, he would he

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 9>orchestrated over and he arranged what mixed master would do,

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 9>you know, and mixed master cutting up and scratching on

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 9>on many of those songs, which a lot of DJs

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 9>didn't do at the time at all.

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 7>Another thing that you guys should be credited for was

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 7>really the first time that we heard an actual authentic

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 7>break beat on record. I mean, before then, drum machines

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:15.279
<v Speaker 7>would often or a lot of drummer if you and

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 7>the sugar Hill Enjoy era, it was often the music background.

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 7>But you know, the first time that I heard what

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 7>we coined the term a break beat was using Billy

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 7>Squire's Big Beat for the Educated Rappers versus on Roxanne Roxanne.

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 7>Can you just explain that just the whole Well, first

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.479
<v Speaker 7>of all, even before we get to that, who taught

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 7>you guys, or who do you credit as your teachers

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 7>for learning how to craft songs and produce songs or

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 7>was it just trialing the era all the time before?

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 3>And then utfos where you perfected it.

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would definitely say utfos where we perfected. It

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 4>was trial and era on some of the things.

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 9>But once we started uh producing UTFO and I got

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 9>to give like really shout out to my brother be Fine, a,

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 9>Kurt Baby, Jerry, the musicians of the group and even

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 9>Shy Shy, but they were the brainstorms with actually putting

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 9>together the musical stuff. And you're right question and thanks

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.439
<v Speaker 9>thanks for that because a lot of times we don't

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 9>get that credit. I mean, I'm a modest brother, but

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 9>I love to get credit where credit is due, and

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 9>sometimes it's not due to us. But yeah, that was

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 9>like one of the first like samples heard a breakat

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 9>exactly like ever in a record. And then after we

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 9>did it on Rock Sande, we did it on our

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 9>own song Unselfish Lover, which was the first time a

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 9>breakbeat was used in a in a record, a song,

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 9>you know what I mean, exactly so, and so that

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 9>was trial and ever, and plus we were, you know,

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 9>we had the soul of hip hop anyway growing up

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 9>in Brooklyn and and and performing it in Harlem and

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 9>the Bronx.

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 4>We were a local group and we always wanted to

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 4>fuse the hip hop and R and B together and

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 4>sampling the Billy Squire thing. Nobody's ever done that before.

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 4>You've heard the big beat on many parties and hip

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.720
<v Speaker 4>hop parties and stuff like that, but never on record,

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, and that was a big thing. And and

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 4>plus the fact that the late great Educator Rap had

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 4>the illus rap on that whole Roxanne.

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I memorized that shit before me like it was

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 7>mine in the ninth grade. Well, okay, The reason why

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 7>I asked that question is because mostly the stories that

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 7>I hear from any luminary in the eighties when it

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:48.799
<v Speaker 7>comes to production, with the exception of Marley Maul, most

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 7>of the stories I hear is that, you know, most

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 7>hip hop productions of rush job. And you know, maybe

0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 7>a rare example like Public and Met would do pre

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 7>production in a studio where they have time to be

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.720
<v Speaker 7>creative and time to think of new sounds and whatnot.

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:09.280
<v Speaker 7>But nine times out of ten, you're going to a studio,

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 7>you got like two to three hours to figure out

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 7>what you're going to do, and then it's.

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 3>A rush job and you're out of there.

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 7>But that song's pretty I mean, your production, no matter

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 7>how sparse it was, was fairly intricate, So I would

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 7>I would figure that it would take more than just

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.760
<v Speaker 7>two to three hours to slap something together.

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 3>So like, yes, what was the.

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.919
<v Speaker 7>The production process, Like as far as you guys coming

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 7>up with ideas and you know, you guys infuse like

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 7>humor and skits and all these things that I figured

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 7>would take at least five to seven hours to to

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 7>sort of come up with. But in that time period,

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 7>did you guys have the time in the studio to

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 7>do those things?

0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 9>Or Yeah, when we was in the studio, we would

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 9>do a lot of like like you know, like you'd

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 9>call it like like if you're acting, you do dress rehearsal,

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 9>or you would do rehearsing. We would go in the

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 9>studio and not necessarily make the final recording of the joint.

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 9>We would do all of our ideas, then come up

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 9>with the ideas, and then after we finish.

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 4>Okay, y'all, well, just we'll be back here tomorrow to

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 4>finish it off. So it was never a rush thing

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 4>with us.

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 9>We definitely took our time with all the songs and

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 9>the intricacies of it, and we'd plan and sometimes we

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 9>get the ideas right then and there amongst ourselves.

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 4>But a lot of times.

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 9>Things could be pre planned as well, but by getting

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 9>them in the studio first and foremost.

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now, what should also be noted?

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.319
<v Speaker 7>And I think a person had to been alive at

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 7>the time, So I will say that probably one of

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 7>the very first instances of what we'll say is is

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 7>pre viral culture. Now, of course you know when something's done,

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 7>it can go viral instantly and spread in milliseconds. But

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 7>to be alive at the time when Roxanne Roxanne was out, Oh, thank.

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 5>You for talking about this.

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 6>I was waiting for this because yeah.

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 7>Like it was just it was just one of the

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 7>it was well, yeah, exactly like you were sixteen at

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:19.879
<v Speaker 7>the time it came out.

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 5>I just I was like, who is the real Rockstan?

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's too confused.

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 7>Well, one one I want to know is who who

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 7>who was the conceptualizer of Roxanne Roxane? How did you

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 7>get pair with UTFO and how much control did you

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 7>guys have over the entire Roxanne phenomenon, because there were

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 7>there were at least nine to eleven answer records of

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.280
<v Speaker 7>various Roxannes doctor Roxanne's kind of collogists.

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, tell me tell.

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Me it was a man.

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 3>There is every every sort of record.

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 4>Well there was no rock stands, a guy in the

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 4>College's quest.

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Well it was a lot.

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Right, You are right, my brother. There was actually.

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 9>Twenty five over twenty five answer back records to so.

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 3>So it started the first this crazy.

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah exactly.

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 9>So what happened was with utfoll in the beginning, My my,

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.399
<v Speaker 9>what happened is that how they formed first is that

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 9>there's there's four members of UTF of course, Sir Doctor Ice,

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 9>Kango Kid, the Educated Rapper, May Rescue Peace and mixed

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:46.919
<v Speaker 9>mass of Ice to DJ. So what happened is that

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.879
<v Speaker 9>my brother B was going was going to uh going

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 9>to to a to a junior high.

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 4>School because he was in high school. And he was

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 4>going there because somebody was messing around with his girlfriend

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.240
<v Speaker 4>at the time. Somebody was like bothering her and teasing

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 4>her and everything, and it was Kango Kid. Okay, so

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Mike cues of coach Jam knew Kango Kid, and she

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 4>kept complaining to my brother B, fun you this guy

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 4>keep bothering me, picking at me and bothering me. He said, Okay,

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm going up to school. I'm gonna fuck him up.

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm just going up to your school. We're just going

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 4>bus his ass, see, Okay, So he talked to Mike.

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.399
<v Speaker 9>He was a coach Jam because just before Mike became

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 9>a coach JAM And Mike said, yeah, I know. I

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 9>know Kango, whose real name is Sean for queer, so

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 9>I know him. So yeah, I want you to take

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 9>me to him now, I want to see him.

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 9>Took him to the school and he was going there

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 9>to literally getting Kango's face and busses ass for messing

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 9>with his girl. So what happened is that Mike said, oh,

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 9>he's right there, So he pointed to Kango, and Kango

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 9>was on stage during a talent show an auditorium and

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 9>he was dancing. He was popped, locking and killing it,

0:43:55.760 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 9>and my brother b was looking like in amazement, exactly.

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 9>All right, Mike, Man, I'm gonna go.

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 4>Man, I kind of see enough. Just tell him. Tell

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 4>him first of all that I came the buses ass,

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 4>but he can. He's dancing real good, So I want

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 4>to talk to him.

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 9>So you get his number, give my number and we'll connect,

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:23.720
<v Speaker 9>all right, And then my brother be just left.

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 4>He left, and Mike cues told Kango when he was

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 4>finishing everything and came back, he said, Yo, man, did

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 4>you see the guy that was next to me, you

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 4>know there standing at me. Yeah, it's a big nigga.

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 4>Many's that's so. Yeah, man, he came here to kick

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 4>your ass.

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 9>That's a boy, that's a men's boyfriend, and he came

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 9>here to bust your ass. He said, word, yeah, word,

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:45.839
<v Speaker 9>But you danced real good.

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 4>So he wants to have a meeting.

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 9>He wants to have a meeting with you. That's what happened.

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 9>We met with Kango brought in Doctor Ice. They danced

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 9>for us because we used to do local shows and

0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 9>they did. They would have They were like the first

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.160
<v Speaker 9>one to do all the pop a lot because remember

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 9>remember when the hip hop started and they used to

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.319
<v Speaker 9>always have dancers on the stage with them.

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 4>All the rappers would have dances. Kango Kid and Doctor

0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.919
<v Speaker 4>Ice was the first dancers to dance for a rap group,

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 4>which was Houdini. They were the first ones.

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 9>But they started with us dancing on our shows and

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 9>we would bring them on ahead of y'all and and

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 9>we was impressed with them.

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 4>And then b said you know, and then can't said,

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:26.839
<v Speaker 4>yo be you know, we could rap.

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.240
<v Speaker 9>Also so Ya could rap said, yeah, they got educated

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 9>rapper and they formed the Raptriot.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 4>They came. They kind of.

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 9>Auditioned for b he says, Yo man, y'all are dope.

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 9>And then they got mixed mass of ice and made

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.760
<v Speaker 9>them a group. And then Steve Salem may he rest

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 9>in peace. Steve Salem who went to college with me.

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 9>He was our co manager. He's the one that took

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 9>us and the group to select records. Who was never

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 9>a hip hop label at the time. They just was

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 9>a regular label. And we went there to record records

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 9>because if it wasn't for Steve Salem, we would never

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:00.359
<v Speaker 9>be writers and produce.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 4>Since we was only looking for.

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 9>A deal for Full Forces to performance. I didn't give

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 9>a shit about writing and producing for other people. I

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 9>just didn't, and I'm glad I was voted out. But

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 9>Steve Salem said, listen, if you guys, because we was

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 9>getting our demos turned down, left them right anyway. He said,

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.320
<v Speaker 9>I think if you guys write and produce for other people,

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 9>I think then Full Force would get a deal of

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 9>its own. This was his gut and he was right

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 9>because the first production was UTFO.

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 4>Then Lisa Lisa and coach jam Real rock Sand and

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 4>then we got our deal. But the rock Sand rock

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 4>Sande they became. And here's the thing. We had a

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 4>song for hanging out.

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 9>That's that's supposed to be the A side, right single.

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 9>But my brother B just woke up and he said, yo, man,

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 9>I came up with an idea, a concept, and let's

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:48.280
<v Speaker 9>just put it on the B side.

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 4>It was like a throwaway idea.

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 9>And he's the one I said, I would have called

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 9>rock San rock Sand. He just picked the name because

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 9>he liked the name. He said it worked for the police.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.840
<v Speaker 9>He went to UTFO he said, Yo, we're gonna do

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.439
<v Speaker 9>a B side. We're gonna call it rock Stane, rock Sande.

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 9>Here's the concept I want you guys to be. You

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 9>guys are gonna be uh fighting over a girl and

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 9>none of y'all will get the girl because you know,

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 9>back in those times, you know all the rappers got

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:17.240
<v Speaker 9>the girl. My brother said, it's going to be nobody

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 9>gets the girl and each of y'all come up with

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 9>your own rap. What was so dope about the song

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.919
<v Speaker 9>is that be also came up with the concept, which

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:25.280
<v Speaker 9>was never done on record before.

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 4>Each rapper had their own separate beat.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 9>The rapper had big beat and Kango had his own beat.

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.720
<v Speaker 9>Doctor of his own beat that we that full force created,

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 9>of course, except for the big beat.

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 4>Actually Kango mightangle might have created his own beat as well.

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 4>But that's how that record was warm and it was

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 4>just a throwaway record to be on the B side.

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 4>And what happened is that even though we was promoting

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 4>hanging Out, all of a sudden, here comes this DJ

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 4>from New York City playing the wrong side, which were

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.760
<v Speaker 4>at the time, and it was DJ Red Alert playing

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 4>playing Playing, Playing rock Sand Rock Sand, and we were pissed.

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Could you believe that? We got upset in the beginning,

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 4>and we called Red at his house and we're like,

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 4>you're Red and we woke them up. Yeah, what yo,

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 4>you're playing the wrong side. Don't play that. You gotta

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 4>play the A side.

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 9>The A side is hanging out, said yo, man, I

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 9>like the B side, I know, but that's not the

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 9>A side.

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:29.720
<v Speaker 4>Well it should be nast I playing the B side.

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 5>And the radio DJ was born, thank you on.

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 9>The side and he stuck to that. The radio station

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 9>let him do it. And let me tell you something,

0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 9>that song caught on like Wildfire before all the Answer

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:43.240
<v Speaker 9>Back records.

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.360
<v Speaker 4>That song was just huge. It was big, it was.

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 9>It was in top ten Billboard magazine and the R

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.479
<v Speaker 9>and B charts, one on the rap charts.

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 4>So we were blown away. And then after the hot,

0:48:56.080 --> 0:49:00.800
<v Speaker 4>after the success and was doing great, along comes this fourteen,

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 4>thirteen year old Brett rock Sales revenge.

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.959
<v Speaker 5>So she was after See that's why I was always confused.

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 9>Okay, so that's why they called it rock Sands.

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:21.320
<v Speaker 5>Revenge done all right, d I was five blue, Okay, I'm.

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 7>There's a one to the left of that five. You're

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 7>fifteen anyway. The magic the magic of Rocks, you're right,

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 7>the Magic of Roxanne. Roxanne was also members the first

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 7>self deprecating song, so you know it showed it kind

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 7>of put hip hop in a everyman position, like, oh.

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 3>That could happen to me. That always happens to me.

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 7>I get rejected by a girl, right and you know,

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 7>you know what it's hit me right now. When Rick

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:54.520
<v Speaker 7>Rubin was on our episode, I gave him credit for

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:59.799
<v Speaker 7>sort of helming the song format in hip hop. But

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 7>it just hit me that you got that Utfo's album

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 7>predated LL's Radio, which it was unheard of at the

0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.960
<v Speaker 7>time for a hip hop song to be under five minutes,

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 7>because you know, in the era of sugar Hill and

0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 7>club records and they're not being a lot of hip

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 7>hop records, you would make them as long as possible

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 7>so that you can keep the party going. But I mean,

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 7>at the time, did you guys think that you were

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 7>doing something revolutionary by making these you know, sixteen bar

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:34.799
<v Speaker 7>maybe twenty four bar versus with a chorus and a

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:39.360
<v Speaker 7>second verse and a third verse, which was absolutely unheard

0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 7>of then, Like even a radio song like the Message

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 7>and it's like that, but I Run DMC was like

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:48.839
<v Speaker 7>seven minutes and fifty seconds. But damn, these songs were

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.320
<v Speaker 7>one of the very first single length hits.

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 3>Like was that a conscious decision?

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 4>That was a.

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 9>Conscious decision because you know, we always invogued our so

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 9>in it, so like if you have a rock Sand

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 9>Rock Sanne song, we would do the full force harmonies

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 9>Roxanne ro Sand. We always wanted to throw a singing

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 9>in a lot of the records, and we always made it,

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.879
<v Speaker 9>like you said, uh, not to be so super long

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.600
<v Speaker 9>because and we was wrong with the super long songs

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 9>like the Message and everything like that.

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 4>But we was consciously making it so it could be uh, you.

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 9>Know, digestible, especially because we loved hearing the song on

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.720
<v Speaker 9>regular commercial radio as well, because the hip hop stations

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 9>played anything, even it was ten minutes. He was conscious

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 9>of that for all the different songs, especially that first

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:41.120
<v Speaker 9>album you know, and and Kango Kid was we call

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 9>him like a disciple of ours so much because he

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 9>loved the production and stuff. He came up with that

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.919
<v Speaker 9>idea to fairy Tale level, which was the first time

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 9>a rap group.

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:51.360
<v Speaker 4>Sang sang.

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:54.640
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, we did the backgrounds and the music, but Kango

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 9>sang Doc sang even educated rappers sang on their mixed mass,

0:51:59.160 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 9>but they did.

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 4>And they used to perform that song.

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 9>On tour and place would go crazy because they went

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 9>on to new edition that was big.

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it was bigger than is this the end? Like

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 7>that shit super big. Wait, it just hit me. There's

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 7>there's a lot of firsts in your career, and it

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 7>just hit me that you guys were also one of

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:24.479
<v Speaker 7>the first production teams to self promote if you will.

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 7>People often credited to Puffy to self promote, but you know,

0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 7>the tag full force, get busy one time like that

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 7>that could have been the very first hashtag.

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:36.839
<v Speaker 3>Whose idea was it?

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:42.279
<v Speaker 7>To always you guys were always spicing up all of

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 7>your productions with your your your production tag, like your

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 7>own commercial.

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Whose idea was that?

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I would have to say that was all

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.839
<v Speaker 9>about ideas. I mean, and you're right question, thanks a lot, man,

0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 9>I mean.

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:56.799
<v Speaker 4>Wow, you're right.

0:52:56.840 --> 0:53:00.200
<v Speaker 9>We did that on our own because we knew, like

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 9>back in the day, a lot of producers, you know,

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.280
<v Speaker 9>before us, I would say, Terry and Jimmy, they started

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 9>getting ood already they had their own style to just

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 9>the address. But we said, you know, we want to

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.359
<v Speaker 9>make sure the producers get props in these and in.

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 4>These songs like us.

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.040
<v Speaker 9>So we would be like Alfred Hitchcock on a lot

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:25.920
<v Speaker 9>of our own productions, you know, Albert Hitchcock. Yes, so unders,

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:30.440
<v Speaker 9>but we'd make ourselves assuming, you know, and we would

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.879
<v Speaker 9>give give those tags like full force get busy when

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:35.239
<v Speaker 9>the time was the idea of Paul Anthony, first time

0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 9>anybody said get busy.

0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 4>And I'll never forget.

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.200
<v Speaker 9>We went to a new addition, not new addition, new

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 9>kids on the Block concert.

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 4>They were such big fans of ours, and we was

0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.840
<v Speaker 4>like on the backstage and and we was not backstage.

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.239
<v Speaker 9>It was like on the side stage because Maurice Star

0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 9>came and put us on the side.

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 4>And then they was the new kids were black kept

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:56.840
<v Speaker 4>looking at us to the side. And then Donnie Wahlberg,

0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 4>I'll never forget this.

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.919
<v Speaker 9>He just stopped after after this last song, and he said,

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.399
<v Speaker 9>you know, I just want to make mention here. There's

0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 9>a bunch of guys is here right now that we

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 9>look up to because in Boston the biggest Full Force

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 9>record at the time was Unselfish Lover that we did

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:13.960
<v Speaker 9>right and and and he said to the crowd, all

0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:17.719
<v Speaker 9>those all those white girls and white white what he

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 9>said to them, there's some guys in this business now,

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 9>y'all might hear our senior Hall say let's get busy.

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:29.319
<v Speaker 4>But let me tell you who coined that frame exactly. Yeah,

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 4>he said this.

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 9>He said, it's a bunch of guys. They go by

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.200
<v Speaker 9>the name of Full Force. And we got some of

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 9>the members here right now. And I want y'all to

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.239
<v Speaker 9>give a big rousing No, he said, I want you

0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 9>guys to repeat after me and say this loud.

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 4>I want y'all to.

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:47.520
<v Speaker 9>Say, full Force get busy one time and I'm gonna

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 9>bring them out.

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:49.879
<v Speaker 4>You all ready, here we go.

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:56.239
<v Speaker 9>And they said it loud on these white kids, and

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 9>it's crazy. And here we all walking on stay. They

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.240
<v Speaker 9>didn't never knew us from and they clapping and screaming

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:03.799
<v Speaker 9>for us.

0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:05.440
<v Speaker 4>And Donnie's hugging us.

0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:08.879
<v Speaker 9>That was our first time meeting, meeting new kids hugging us,

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.800
<v Speaker 9>hugging us, and and he said, these are the guys

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 9>that corner phrase.

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 4>These guys are popular producers.

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 9>And he was basically doing like a bio giving us

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:21.919
<v Speaker 9>flowers there on that stage. And then and then we

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 9>then he said, okay, now we're gonna close it out, y'all.

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Y'all, y'all remember the song. Y'all know the hook? Y'all

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 4>remember the hook? Oh?

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.399
<v Speaker 9>Then we all on stage doing that, bringing the hook

0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:37.840
<v Speaker 9>with new kids on the block because they were fans

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 9>of ours, with the whole self promotion. And you're right,

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.319
<v Speaker 9>we said, full force, get busy one time on the

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 9>song unfaithful, don't even.

0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Try it, full force, don't buy it.

0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 9>A lot of our records, like on Temporary Love Thing

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 9>before it over, I go it shure us.

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:53.879
<v Speaker 4>My name is bow Legged Lou. I'm bah bah bah

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.200
<v Speaker 4>and we would do the B sides quest like we

0:55:57.360 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 4>used to do.

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 9>Skits on the side. We were doing skits before Daylight Soul.

0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:06.279
<v Speaker 9>I know I and I made it in.

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.839
<v Speaker 4>Theater, but I would have my fun on the east side.

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 4>So we would do song like Unselfish Lover, and on

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 4>the B side we go, it's okay, It's okay. It

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 4>was like a whole.

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 9>Skit, and and we said our names and everything and

0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 9>just let you know that we wanted to make sure

0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.160
<v Speaker 9>we got our credit as producers as well.

0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>When we did the first Lisa Lisa song, I Wonder

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 4>If I Take You Home, we made a conscious decision.

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:34.120
<v Speaker 4>I said, listen, guys, we're singing on this. We're doing

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 4>the background vocals, we're doing the music.

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:41.360
<v Speaker 9>So just for the first album and the first single,

0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 9>it's not going to be Lisa, Lisa and Cold Jam. No,

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 9>it's going to be Lisa, Lisa and Coach Jam with them.

0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I have a question to ask you. I have a question.

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 7>Okay, the whole world, of course, Love Supremes knows that

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 7>I am the the authority on everything Soul Trained. So

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.360
<v Speaker 7>I have this question to ask you the very first

0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:10.720
<v Speaker 7>time you guys, Well, first of all, I would assume

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:15.360
<v Speaker 7>that in eighty five, appearing on Soul Train would have

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 7>been like a major bucket list moment, and based on

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 7>the relationship that you and the camaraderie that you guys

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 7>had with Don Cornelius on the show, that that meant

0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 7>something to you. But I always wanted to know the

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 7>very first time that you guys appeared on Soul Train,

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 7>you guys were never announced by sib McCoy on the

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 7>top of the show. You kind of just came in

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 7>as special guests. This is when you guys, did I

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 7>believe Alice? You did Alice the first time and you

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.200
<v Speaker 7>weren't credit? Were you guys ever disappointed? Do you know

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:54.200
<v Speaker 7>what I mean by announce? You know the top of

0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 7>the show when sim McCoy announces Soul Trained, the Hippis

0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 7>Trip in the America with guest starts full fourth and

0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 7>the Soul Trade Dancers. I always wonder why they never

0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 7>had you guys at the top of the show, like

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:09.080
<v Speaker 7>you guys were just announced as as a matter of fact.

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 7>But I always wanted to know, did you Were you

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:15.280
<v Speaker 7>guys even aware of that or well I.

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.920
<v Speaker 9>Wasn't aware, but the first time, but now the first

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 9>time we performed as Full Force, the group by ourselves,

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 9>we did Unselfished.

0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Lover and then doing the interview exactly. That was one

0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 3>of my favorite moments ever.

0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because Dona tried to stop it after a while,

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 4>but then we ended it because he kept saying all right,

0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:40.400
<v Speaker 4>all right, and everybody was cool with that.

0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 9>But before that, and I think they announced us at

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 9>the top of the show for that particular show, but

0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 9>before Unselfished Lover by Full Force.

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 4>The first time we appeared on there was with Lisa, Lisa,

0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 4>me and Paul and we performed all Yeah. That was

0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:58.720
<v Speaker 4>the very first time it was on Soultrae. I don't

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:00.479
<v Speaker 4>think we were announced, and I think was just.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 7>Even then, you weren't announced at the top, right, just

0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 7>not even coached him.

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:06.919
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.440
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say, you're the only artist I know

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 7>whose first two appearances on Soul Train were never announced

0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:18.439
<v Speaker 7>by sim McCoy. I consider an honor, at least if

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:21.080
<v Speaker 7>I were making music at the time that if Sid

0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.640
<v Speaker 7>McCoy says your name with this golden voice, that's sort

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 7>of like that's the thumbs up thing. And you guys

0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 7>didn't get that moment until your third time on the

0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.960
<v Speaker 7>show when you guys were promoting a Guess Who's coming

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 7>to the crib and love us for suckers and all that.

0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:36.600
<v Speaker 6>But I just want to go back because you mentioned

0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 6>this real fast. But I'm trying to figure out how

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.120
<v Speaker 6>you had the time because you said you met Steve

0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:43.560
<v Speaker 6>in college and you were you were a theater major.

0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 5>When what school? And talk can you just talk about

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 5>like being a theater major and what that did for

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:50.479
<v Speaker 5>the crime.

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I went to Kingsburg Community College for two years,

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:57.080
<v Speaker 9>Brooklyn College for the other two years, and a major

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:57.919
<v Speaker 9>in theater.

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.479
<v Speaker 4>Because it's a teacher of minds high school.

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<v Speaker 9>Nay Miss McKinley, she like really inspired me to do acting,

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.080
<v Speaker 9>and I was like, I.

1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Was always crazy and it's still crazy to this day.

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:11.640
<v Speaker 4>And I always loved the acting.

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<v Speaker 9>And when I major in theater, it was a big

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<v Speaker 9>deal because it was a predominantly white school and they

1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 9>were so serious with all their productions, and I was

1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:23.880
<v Speaker 9>in every one of their productions.

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<v Speaker 13>Even plays that I hated, like Medea and Shakespeare Young,

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.280
<v Speaker 13>but I still wanted to be on stage and audition

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:32.520
<v Speaker 13>for every play and that's what I did, and I

1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:36.000
<v Speaker 13>brought that and before that, I used to do little

1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:39.760
<v Speaker 13>plays with my brothers in our home and the audience

1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:41.920
<v Speaker 13>used to be family members like my mother followed.

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<v Speaker 9>We do little plays that I would write, just bullshit plays,

1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:45.640
<v Speaker 9>nothing big, and then.

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<v Speaker 4>We do this, do that, and my brothers hated it,

1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:49.760
<v Speaker 4>but they still did it. And we were young, and

1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:53.960
<v Speaker 4>that's where our chemistry grew, the three of us to

1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 4>have the chemistry to go on and pursue what we

1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:59.640
<v Speaker 4>were doing, you know. But of course I want to

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<v Speaker 4>go back what you said about Don Corneus. I know

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<v Speaker 4>that you are such a soul, trained a fiction scenario

1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.480
<v Speaker 4>and educated, and I heard you was gonna do something

1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.480
<v Speaker 4>on Broadway. Please put me down even from the usher

1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 4>in there, I don't care because I when I tell you,

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<v Speaker 4>I love with my.

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<v Speaker 9>Heart Don Corneus as a man, as a person, and

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<v Speaker 9>I just love him and I'll never forget how, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I had his home number sell and I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 9>Don Corneas, and then meeting him for the first time,

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<v Speaker 9>and then we developed the chemistry that you could even

1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:41.400
<v Speaker 9>see whenever we would come there.

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<v Speaker 4>He would like any groups that we managed, like Cheryl Pepsi,

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<v Speaker 4>Riley or the girl group Ex Girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 9>He would always want to announce us to come on

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<v Speaker 9>stage to like sort of take a bow or something

1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:56.280
<v Speaker 9>like that after he finished interviewing them. Or sometimes I'll

1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:58.600
<v Speaker 9>call him on his birthday, like I call people on

1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:00.400
<v Speaker 9>their birthdays forever you do.

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<v Speaker 4>I called people on their birthday just to say happy birthday.

1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:06.680
<v Speaker 4>This is way before Facebook and social media. I got

1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:10.880
<v Speaker 4>my old school calendar people's birthdays and I called him

1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.640
<v Speaker 4>up and Don Corneis I always used to do that

1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:16.120
<v Speaker 4>through the ups and the downs with people. I don't

1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:18.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't care where they are in their career whatever.

1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:22.160
<v Speaker 4>I just always like to reach out. And with Don Carneus, Man,

1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:24.520
<v Speaker 4>it was just such a great thing to do. I'm

1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:27.480
<v Speaker 4>able to get my ex girl, my ex my girlfriend

1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.720
<v Speaker 4>at the time, she was doing a project on Soul Train,

1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 4>and I got her to interview Don on the phone

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:34.040
<v Speaker 4>just for her, and he did that for me.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he did your unsung that's rare too.

1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:43.959
<v Speaker 14>Along with Questlove who before meeting Quest, we just met,

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<v Speaker 14>like he said, through the social media thing, and I

1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:48.960
<v Speaker 14>reached out to him and asked.

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<v Speaker 9>Would he be a part of our unsung man and

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<v Speaker 9>Quest I'll never forget how you said, oh hell yeah, man,

1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:56.840
<v Speaker 9>And you was just so great on the show. You

1:02:56.920 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 9>gave us great props. And I'll never forget that, man.

1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:04.680
<v Speaker 9>Doc Coneis never did Unsung ever. And keep in mind,

1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:08.000
<v Speaker 9>when people did that show, a lot of their film,

1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:11.000
<v Speaker 9>a lot of their clips from their performances used.

1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:15.760
<v Speaker 4>To be them performing on so and so the ojas George,

1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:18.760
<v Speaker 4>and they always wanted to get him, but he never

1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.720
<v Speaker 4>never did it. I said, I would love to get

1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Doc Corneius. They said, oh, he doesn't need to do it.

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<v Speaker 9>We asked him all the time. He always says no,

1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:28.720
<v Speaker 9>he doesn't care. I said, well, let me ask him. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 9>we're not going to give you his number.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I gotta let me see if you do

1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:37.000
<v Speaker 4>it for us. And I called him.

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<v Speaker 9>Up and he said, all right, they've been asking me

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<v Speaker 9>so many times, man, but you know.

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<v Speaker 4>If I got to do it for somebody, I owe them.

1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:46.800
<v Speaker 4>I got to do somebody to do. I'm going to

1:03:46.840 --> 1:03:47.920
<v Speaker 4>do it for you, man, I'm going to do it

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<v Speaker 4>for full force.

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<v Speaker 9>And that was his last televised anything on on TV.

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<v Speaker 9>And I have I have all the other footage because

1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:01.960
<v Speaker 9>he was on much longer than what they edited, like

1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:04.680
<v Speaker 9>maybe two or three bites. But I have the whole

1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:09.120
<v Speaker 9>thing we've been talking about us and and he was

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<v Speaker 9>supposed to come to the screening of that unsung episode

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<v Speaker 9>in La he bought he got tickets, I mean not tickets,

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<v Speaker 9>but he was going to be at a table and

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<v Speaker 9>he didn't come for some reason.

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<v Speaker 4>And then two days later, Wow, really blew me away.

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<v Speaker 4>I was crying, man, like a baby. I was on

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<v Speaker 4>the phone with Lee Bailey doing an interview with him,

1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:32.280
<v Speaker 4>crying like a baby. Man.

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<v Speaker 9>And we presented a plaque for Docreneers even though he

1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:38.280
<v Speaker 9>wasn't there because we didn't know why he's lived, but

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<v Speaker 9>we did a special dedication plaque for him there.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, Donna's not here, but we want to do

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<v Speaker 4>a special tribute for him. And I ended up.

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<v Speaker 9>Giving the plaque to a Tony at Don's funeral. Great

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<v Speaker 9>great man, great man, doctor soul train whatever, come on?

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<v Speaker 4>Question? You know it was?

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<v Speaker 5>It's the proper tarma Miras. Let Lou know you're a

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<v Speaker 5>sole train of file. What's it called.

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<v Speaker 3>Train of file? That doesn't sound right?

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, anyway, I'll say that, Uh, probably the other artist

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<v Speaker 15>I've been dying an interview on the show, just so

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<v Speaker 15>I can ask her this question.

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<v Speaker 7>Is Uh, probably the artist that you've had the best

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<v Speaker 7>success with. Did Lisa Lisa ever tell you what her

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<v Speaker 7>first thoughts were when she auditioned for you guys?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she was afraid.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, what was.

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<v Speaker 7>The whole situation of you guys discovering Lisa Lisa and

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<v Speaker 7>her coming to audition for you?

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<v Speaker 3>How did you discover?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Well, my brother be Fine. He came up with

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<v Speaker 4>the song I Wonder If I Take You Home? You know,

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<v Speaker 4>he wrote the lyrics. I mean we added the little

1:05:59.000 --> 1:06:02.200
<v Speaker 4>extra stuff with the arrangements and the vocals and stuff.

1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:04.160
<v Speaker 4>But B came up with the concept.

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<v Speaker 9>He wrote the lyrics, South Kurt Jerry, They all pitched

1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:08.800
<v Speaker 9>in musically and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was Bee's Baby and.

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<v Speaker 9>Now Be when he did that song and he did

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<v Speaker 9>the reference vocal to it, which is horrible, but he

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<v Speaker 9>did it anyway, I think so so horrible. But with that,

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<v Speaker 9>with that song, it was so catchy and this was

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<v Speaker 9>app This was like right after literally rock Sanne Roxanne

1:06:31.920 --> 1:06:35.480
<v Speaker 9>started doing what it's doing. We was already craft in

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<v Speaker 9>that so B wanted, no matter what, he wanted a

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<v Speaker 9>Hispanic girl to sing that song. No black girl, just

1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:45.680
<v Speaker 9>Hispanic I wanted a black girl to do it because

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<v Speaker 9>Shoe Pepsi Riley at the time was my dear friend

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<v Speaker 9>and I was in love with a voice, so I

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<v Speaker 9>let her hear the demo would be bad singing on it.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, listen, b wants a Spanish go do this,

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<v Speaker 9>but I want you to do it. I want to

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<v Speaker 9>sneak you in the studio and have you sing it

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<v Speaker 9>and then surprise be. But she didn't like the song.

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<v Speaker 9>She said she was loyal to a group at the time.

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<v Speaker 9>But I remember playing it for her and her husband,

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<v Speaker 9>and yeah, I don't think they liked it.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, we wouldn't have heard.

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<v Speaker 9>Anyway, he wouldn't have a kid. He wanted a Spanish

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<v Speaker 9>girl to do it. So Mike cues it was auditioning girls.

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<v Speaker 9>So Mike Houston coach jam He's the one that brought

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<v Speaker 9>Lisa to us because they used to she was at

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<v Speaker 9>the Funhouse, the Funhouse club in Manhattan where Madonna used

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<v Speaker 9>to go to all the time. Lisa would be their

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<v Speaker 9>partying and Lisa was young at the time, but Mike

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<v Speaker 9>would see her there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think she was seventeen or something like that, and.

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<v Speaker 9>She he brought her to our basement in Brooklyn, so

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<v Speaker 9>we could hear if she could sing.

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<v Speaker 4>We loved her look automatically as soon as we saw her,

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<v Speaker 4>we went, wow, I hope she could sing even a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Her face and everything else, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was Hispanic.

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<v Speaker 9>So at that time, there was no there's no Spanish

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<v Speaker 9>because there's no Puerto Ricans of Spanish girls doing doing

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<v Speaker 9>anything and resembling dance, R and B and hip hop combo.

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<v Speaker 6>No not, that's before Gloria, right, That's what I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>realize this more Glori.

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<v Speaker 4>This was camera. This was before j Lowell. This is

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<v Speaker 4>for Ricky Martin, before any Spanish person.

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<v Speaker 3>Was was was what we know as freestyle?

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<v Speaker 2>Freestyle?

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<v Speaker 7>Was that was that on you guys's mind at the time,

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<v Speaker 7>because I mean the only person I could tell that

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<v Speaker 7>was like even trying to touch that was maybe Jellybean

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<v Speaker 7>Benitez maybe like yeah, I mean, Shannon was sort of

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<v Speaker 7>going there. But freestyle wasn't a defined genre. But were

1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:44.720
<v Speaker 7>you guys trying to figure out how to corner that

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<v Speaker 7>market or did you know that if you found someone

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<v Speaker 7>of that level it could be big for the Latin

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<v Speaker 7>LATINX market?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you know something that wasn't even bees reasoning. I

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<v Speaker 9>didn't even hear the word freestyle until after we did Lisa.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, Shannon kind of did let the music play,

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<v Speaker 9>and and b disclosed to me actually today that him,

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<v Speaker 9>Curt and Jerry used to be in basement and they

1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:13.519
<v Speaker 9>loved the sounds of John Roby and what's John Roby's

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<v Speaker 9>other partner.

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<v Speaker 4>That was author Baker, Arthur Baker.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, they love those type of records and they would

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<v Speaker 16>trying to emulate those type of records.

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<v Speaker 4>So Shannon, who I think they let the music play.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't called freestyle when she did it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 4>thinking because she was black, because it wasn't until we

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<v Speaker 4>did Lisa Lisa.

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<v Speaker 9>Then other Spanish and Hispanic started popping out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's where they coined the frame freestyle.

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<v Speaker 5>So what made something freestyle?

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<v Speaker 6>You?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry, I like, I'm in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 7>What you know the sound of Stevie b Like, imagine

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<v Speaker 7>the sound of like Planet rock, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Not as fast, not quite as fast.

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<v Speaker 7>It would be like New Jack swing, like adding are

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<v Speaker 7>aren't adding sung vocals to a track that's break danceable?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, okay that the music play that.

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<v Speaker 2>The music play is definitely it falls in that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, let the music play kind of falls in

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<v Speaker 4>that way.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, we like the sound, the sound of man tronics,

1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:24.080
<v Speaker 7>the sound of the Latin rascals. Yeah, but all but

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<v Speaker 7>Spanish was doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't doing it at that time, you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>weren't just doing it at the time. But when we

1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:31.840
<v Speaker 4>brought out Lisa what can you feel the beat? And

1:10:32.360 --> 1:10:33.080
<v Speaker 4>can you feel the beat?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, everybody started calling a freestyle and then you had

1:10:38.080 --> 1:10:41.360
<v Speaker 9>people like Expose and all talking about and they called

1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.160
<v Speaker 9>it freestyle because of the Spanish market, because of the

1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:45.160
<v Speaker 9>Spanish artists.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what we called.

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<v Speaker 17>We started off with Lisa and b and and when

1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:54.400
<v Speaker 17>Lisa came to audition to sing, she started singing songs

1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:56.880
<v Speaker 17>that Mike choose from coach Jim wrote.

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<v Speaker 4>So she was singing at a papella and they were hard.

1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:02.639
<v Speaker 4>You know, Mike Cues was right that she was singing

1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:07.320
<v Speaker 4>songs like to Dance and tune to Dance and we're like,

1:11:07.400 --> 1:11:10.160
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, it's horrible and it made us sound

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<v Speaker 4>kind of shitty because of his songs.

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<v Speaker 9>So so before she left, because we're like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 9>i don't think it's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 4>Before she left, because we loved her look so much,

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<v Speaker 4>Paul said, listen, Lisa, before you leave, can you sing

1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:29.000
<v Speaker 4>us something that's more familiar, because all she was singing

1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:36.000
<v Speaker 4>was Mike Cues' original corny songs, right that he knows that.

1:11:36.479 --> 1:11:40.800
<v Speaker 4>So Lisa sang for us for Your Eyes Only by

1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:48.040
<v Speaker 4>Sheena Easton and that's that's right. I know that song

1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:51.840
<v Speaker 4>and that's all and that's all she wrote. And we

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<v Speaker 4>did I wonder if I take you home with Lisa,

1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.000
<v Speaker 4>And b was always to the fact that he didn't

1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:58.320
<v Speaker 4>want Lisa to sound he didn't want whoever was gonna

1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:00.920
<v Speaker 4>sing it. He didn't want like a pallor.

1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:02.880
<v Speaker 5>That's why went to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, just.

1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:10.240
<v Speaker 9>Other young girls, especially Hispanic girls, when they could sing alone, A.

1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Girl next door, girl next door, Yeah.

1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, And that was that was the genius of that.

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<v Speaker 9>And when that song came out, it was crazy because

1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:23.880
<v Speaker 9>we took it to an independent label who was doing

1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:27.639
<v Speaker 9>a deal with Columbia Records Personal Records, which was run

1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:30.840
<v Speaker 9>by Jurgen Jurgen k and Don Ariolo.

1:12:31.240 --> 1:12:33.639
<v Speaker 4>And I remember Steve Salem and he rest in peace,

1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:35.040
<v Speaker 4>and my brother be fine. And went there.

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<v Speaker 9>They loved the song, but they wanted another singer. I

1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:40.080
<v Speaker 9>think Jurgan's wife.

1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:44.519
<v Speaker 4>What's her name? I forgot, but they wanted another singer,

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<v Speaker 4>so so Be thought about it and and Steve and

1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:50.680
<v Speaker 4>they said that we'll pass. And they said really, and

1:12:50.680 --> 1:12:52.320
<v Speaker 4>we're here. Rape they give you like a little deal

1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.639
<v Speaker 4>that we'll pass. And then they called the very next day,

1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:58.679
<v Speaker 4>all right, we'll do it with Lisa, And that record

1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:02.000
<v Speaker 4>appeared on a COMPI Lake Ship, which had songs like

1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:06.439
<v Speaker 4>Buffalo Gal by Malcolm McClaren. Yeah, and that was the

1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:08.439
<v Speaker 4>only new song on day. I wonder if I take

1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:11.880
<v Speaker 4>you home, and let me tell you, that song took off,

1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:15.479
<v Speaker 4>like wow. It blew us away because we were we

1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:18.840
<v Speaker 4>were in England working with Samantha Fox. When we came

1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:22.439
<v Speaker 4>back to New York, they were playing that ship in

1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:24.439
<v Speaker 4>the clubs. I'm like, wait a minute, where did y'all

1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:27.760
<v Speaker 4>get this? I'm like it was it was. It was

1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:31.719
<v Speaker 4>ridiculous how that song just took off, you know, And

1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:34.240
<v Speaker 4>and it took us so much from a compilation album

1:13:34.439 --> 1:13:41.680
<v Speaker 4>that we were rushed to. The album was ready, but

1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:43.519
<v Speaker 4>we just didn't finish the damn record. We had to

1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:45.800
<v Speaker 4>hurry up and and do the album which we which

1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:49.160
<v Speaker 4>we which we didn't finish, you know, but really.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's crazy. Wall. There's another question I have.

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<v Speaker 7>Were you guys ever involved with little Tony Marsh Because

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<v Speaker 7>in Phil her video Burnout song was like a heavily

1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:08.719
<v Speaker 7>heavily played. It was heavily played like on our station

1:14:08.840 --> 1:14:12.960
<v Speaker 7>Power ninety nine. And I know that like she was

1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:15.800
<v Speaker 7>on that. I found someone for me sketch like she

1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:18.760
<v Speaker 7>would do sketches with Lisa and whatnot. But did you

1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:21.840
<v Speaker 7>guys ever produce little Tony Marsh as well?

1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Or wow, she would She would love to hear you

1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:27.599
<v Speaker 4>just say that, But dude.

1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I lost my mind.

1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:31.920
<v Speaker 7>I saw a posts from Lisa on IG and I

1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:35.720
<v Speaker 7>happened to look at one of the comments and it

1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:38.360
<v Speaker 7>wasn't Tony Marsh, but it was enough to make me.

1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:40.920
<v Speaker 7>When I clicked and I saw the face, I was like,

1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.760
<v Speaker 7>wait a minute, is this actual Tony Marsh? Like I

1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:46.400
<v Speaker 7>lost my I didn't see the response, if she responded

1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:49.479
<v Speaker 7>or not, but no, I definitely know who Marsh.

1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:53.519
<v Speaker 9>Little little Tony Marsh is now going by the name

1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:57.120
<v Speaker 9>of Tony Minaj and she is the she. Now wait

1:14:57.479 --> 1:15:00.679
<v Speaker 9>the yeah, dad, that's what she closed us up, Tony Minaj,

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<v Speaker 9>but she spells it differently m E N E.

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<v Speaker 4>G E and she's let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 9>She is such a talented, talented singer, performer, She's incredible.

1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:12.280
<v Speaker 4>She blew me away. I was so surprised. But she's

1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:18.840
<v Speaker 4>now the personal manager for Lisa Lisa what yes? Now?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, because because what happens that Lisa was managed by

1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:23.800
<v Speaker 9>this other girl, this other woman named Stephanie.

1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:26.519
<v Speaker 4>Makes she rest in peace. But Stephanie was sort of

1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:30.240
<v Speaker 4>a she blocked a lot of things. She for whatever reason,

1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:33.200
<v Speaker 4>she didn't have much love for full force and whatever.

1:15:33.200 --> 1:15:35.759
<v Speaker 4>Because we used to manage Lisa when Lisa was with us,

1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.240
<v Speaker 4>we brought it ways amicably, like we're part of ways

1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:43.160
<v Speaker 4>amicley with all our artists. But Tony Marsh was.

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<v Speaker 16>A background singer for Lisa on first tour and that's

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<v Speaker 16>how we knew Tony Marsh.

1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:51.200
<v Speaker 4>But I remember video Berna. I'm like, wow, you did

1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:54.200
<v Speaker 4>video Berna, and she did. She was with Lisa from

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<v Speaker 4>then eighty eighty five, eighty six till now due vocal

1:16:01.240 --> 1:16:02.040
<v Speaker 4>and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so little Tony Marsh had a there was a

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<v Speaker 7>period in which like.

1:16:07.400 --> 1:16:10.400
<v Speaker 3>It's on Apple Music, and so when Apple Music, that's crazy.

1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:12.400
<v Speaker 7>See those are those are the type of songs where

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<v Speaker 7>the vocals won't even start until the five minute mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, right, the intro. The intro is like three minutes

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<v Speaker 3>video there.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Like there's a period, especially between like eighty

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<v Speaker 7>three and eighty five, where like a lot of these

1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:33.120
<v Speaker 7>weird novelty songs have come up, Like Irene Carrot had

1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:36.880
<v Speaker 7>a song about break dancing. But little Tony Marsh's song

1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:40.719
<v Speaker 7>was notable because it was about her addiction to going

1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:42.679
<v Speaker 7>to the arcades, the playing video games.

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<v Speaker 5>That's real. That was real in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh hell yeah, man, you know, let my come home late. Yeah, yeah,

1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:52.799
<v Speaker 7>late because I was at the arcade, I get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, Lou, are.

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<v Speaker 7>You at all ware of the Prince? You got the

1:16:58.040 --> 1:16:58.599
<v Speaker 7>look story?

1:16:59.320 --> 1:16:59.519
<v Speaker 4>No?

1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:02.479
<v Speaker 3>I mean all right. I always wanted to know this.

1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:08.040
<v Speaker 7>So there's there's there's a friend of mine who I

1:17:08.080 --> 1:17:10.160
<v Speaker 7>guess at the time like she was kind of messing

1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:13.280
<v Speaker 7>with Prince or whatever, and at the time she was

1:17:13.360 --> 1:17:16.040
<v Speaker 7>like eighteen. So this is this is like nineteen eighty seven,

1:17:16.080 --> 1:17:19.559
<v Speaker 7>this is when Spanish Fly is out, or this right

1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:20.559
<v Speaker 7>before Spanish Fly.

1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:22.320
<v Speaker 3>The second Lisa Lisa.

1:17:22.080 --> 1:17:25.160
<v Speaker 7>Album comes out, and she's in the breakroom of his

1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:27.360
<v Speaker 7>studio while he's recording what.

1:17:27.280 --> 1:17:28.719
<v Speaker 3>We will know is Sign of the Times.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, because of the age difference, I mean,

1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:35.479
<v Speaker 7>he's like at that time, he was like twenty seven,

1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:40.120
<v Speaker 7>she's eighteen. She's more in tune to like younger stuff

1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:44.280
<v Speaker 7>and really not you know, not on his level, you

1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:48.360
<v Speaker 7>know of where music is. And so Robert Robert Plants

1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:52.000
<v Speaker 7>I'm sorry, Robert Palmer's video for Addicted to Love comes

1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:54.519
<v Speaker 7>on and she's like, oh, I really love this song,

1:17:54.560 --> 1:17:57.000
<v Speaker 7>and Prince is like rolling his eyes, like really, that's

1:17:57.040 --> 1:18:00.320
<v Speaker 7>that's I'm like, I'm fucking a gud here. This is

1:18:00.360 --> 1:18:05.000
<v Speaker 7>what impresses you and so and so it was really

1:18:05.040 --> 1:18:09.160
<v Speaker 7>getting under his skin, and he decided to like test her,

1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:11.120
<v Speaker 7>like okay, so what do you like about this song?

1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:13.080
<v Speaker 7>So well, you know, it has a good beat and

1:18:13.120 --> 1:18:15.519
<v Speaker 7>da da da da da, and Princess like, no, you

1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:17.080
<v Speaker 7>just like it because you just see a bunch of

1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:20.360
<v Speaker 7>women faking playing instruments. But anybody could do that shit.

1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:23.240
<v Speaker 7>I could do that shit. And so he wipes he

1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:26.599
<v Speaker 7>he stops the song he's working on totally wipes the

1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:31.920
<v Speaker 7>board there at Sunset Sound in La and he decides,

1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:35.559
<v Speaker 7>he says, I'll tell you what, I'm going to create

1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:40.040
<v Speaker 7>a song, and I bet you that the only reason

1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:43.240
<v Speaker 7>why you like Addicted to Love is because it's on television,

1:18:43.280 --> 1:18:47.200
<v Speaker 7>and you're just influenced because something's on television. But if

1:18:47.240 --> 1:18:50.719
<v Speaker 7>something of better quality were in your face, you wouldn't

1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:54.599
<v Speaker 7>even you couldn't even discern the difference. So basically, he

1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:57.640
<v Speaker 7>created kind of you Gotta You Got the Look with

1:18:57.640 --> 1:19:00.479
<v Speaker 7>a chip on his shoulder and he could pleats the

1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:02.160
<v Speaker 7>song and.

1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:03.559
<v Speaker 3>It winds up on Sign of the Times, and so

1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:04.599
<v Speaker 3>he reminds the girl.

1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:08.280
<v Speaker 7>He's like, all right, my third single is gonna be

1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:10.080
<v Speaker 7>you Got to Look, And I bet you any amount

1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:12.080
<v Speaker 7>of money now you're gonna like the song because it's

1:19:12.080 --> 1:19:14.320
<v Speaker 7>going to be a big hit. So of course, You

1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:17.720
<v Speaker 7>Got the Look comes out and it's slowly riding up

1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:20.800
<v Speaker 7>the charts, and right when Prince is going to get

1:19:20.800 --> 1:19:23.160
<v Speaker 7>cocky and be like, yeah, next week this is gonna

1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:31.080
<v Speaker 7>be number one, lost, an emotion comes in wow and

1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.479
<v Speaker 7>fus it up, and he was so angry at that

1:19:35.479 --> 1:19:37.920
<v Speaker 7>shit because he's like, ah, you wrote the number two

1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:38.479
<v Speaker 7>you didn't write No.

1:19:38.520 --> 1:19:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Number one hit Lisa Lisa, and I like that song better.

1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:45.880
<v Speaker 7>So it was like, is that a story?

1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:48.479
<v Speaker 3>He told no her name?

1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:52.280
<v Speaker 7>Okay, so what And you know Prince has a long

1:19:52.360 --> 1:19:55.160
<v Speaker 7>line of muses, so kind of the.

1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:57.080
<v Speaker 5>He's the only one who gets to call him that.

1:19:57.160 --> 1:20:01.280
<v Speaker 18>I love it, I know, So that kind of the

1:20:01.280 --> 1:20:05.600
<v Speaker 18>the the last mus of the the first phase of

1:20:05.840 --> 1:20:08.880
<v Speaker 18>music is you know, which starts with Patrice Russian and

1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:13.080
<v Speaker 18>Vanity and Sheila whatever her name was.

1:20:13.840 --> 1:20:17.719
<v Speaker 3>I think he christened her uh and a fantastic.

1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:20.160
<v Speaker 5>I can't he christened her Chris.

1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:23.040
<v Speaker 3>He christened what's her name Carmen Electra.

1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:25.320
<v Speaker 5>Like he gave her her name.

1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. He names all of his women. He's like,

1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:33.120
<v Speaker 3>what's your name? No, that's not your name, you motherfucker.

1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:38.800
<v Speaker 6>You so lucky you ain't living in twenty one.

1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:46.160
<v Speaker 7>Oh so yeah, So basically he lost a vet because

1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:51.120
<v Speaker 7>lost the emotion. Kind of she won won, but you

1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:53.080
<v Speaker 7>beat him. But what I what I wanted to know

1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:55.880
<v Speaker 7>was at least with the with the with the with

1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:59.479
<v Speaker 7>the songwriting craft. You can definitely hear, especially on that

1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:04.960
<v Speaker 7>second al them the Motown influence. Yes, you know, obviously

1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.479
<v Speaker 7>you know, back, yeah, back in my Heart again and

1:21:08.479 --> 1:21:11.479
<v Speaker 7>all that stuff for the for the second album, What

1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:16.160
<v Speaker 7>was you guys' mind state in producing like her second album?

1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:19.679
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, our mindset was to kind of grow because

1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:22.479
<v Speaker 9>you know when she came out, would take you home.

1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.040
<v Speaker 4>And can't you feel the beat? You know, we didn't want.

1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:27.840
<v Speaker 9>It to be because the record company, like going back

1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:29.840
<v Speaker 9>to the first album, the record company did not want

1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:32.759
<v Speaker 9>to release or cried out at all. They just wanted

1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:34.280
<v Speaker 9>to keep yeah, none at all.

1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:37.200
<v Speaker 4>They just wanted to keep up tempo songs and just

1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:39.880
<v Speaker 4>make least just this dance thing. They we did all

1:21:39.920 --> 1:21:41.519
<v Speaker 4>cried out, but it's like no, no, So we had

1:21:41.560 --> 1:21:42.400
<v Speaker 4>to fight them on that.

1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:45.599
<v Speaker 9>And when it was a single, it was you know,

1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:48.840
<v Speaker 9>the rest of the rest is history. But for for

1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:51.880
<v Speaker 9>the Spanish Fly, we wanted to elevate. That's when that

1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:53.280
<v Speaker 9>album was called.

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<v Speaker 4>Just Lisa, Lisa and Coach Jam.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>The first album is called Lease Lisa Coach Jam with

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<v Speaker 4>both of.

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<v Speaker 9>Us, but this one was just then and Paul started

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<v Speaker 9>it off with head to Toe with the whole Supremes

1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:09.960
<v Speaker 9>type vibe, and then b spearheaded the second one, Lost

1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:14.360
<v Speaker 9>in Emotion and we added a lot of the old time.

1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:18.400
<v Speaker 4>Things and elements to that song to to Lost.

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<v Speaker 9>The emotion, head Zone, and it was the number one

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<v Speaker 9>record back to back on the Pop Charge number one

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<v Speaker 9>and on the R and B Charge number one, back

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<v Speaker 9>to back. It's create that time, and Lisa didn't even.

1:22:28.600 --> 1:22:31.040
<v Speaker 9>Lisa was so surprised. She was like, damn, they really

1:22:31.080 --> 1:22:32.479
<v Speaker 9>liked this song I'm talking about to.

1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:34.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, she didn't know.

1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.320
<v Speaker 6>Y'all didn't know was that y'all were creating music for

1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:40.439
<v Speaker 6>a news genre of things for kids, which was let's

1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:43.840
<v Speaker 6>go on the playground and create choreography and make our

1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:46.000
<v Speaker 6>own dances based off of these songs.

1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:47.360
<v Speaker 5>And that's the head Toe.

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<v Speaker 6>I swear to god, that was the first time that

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<v Speaker 6>across across all the playgrounds.

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<v Speaker 7>Christy, that's when you said that light here, because I

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<v Speaker 7>was going to say that I had to tew and

1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:03.479
<v Speaker 7>and I remember there was a period like between had

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<v Speaker 7>to tell you guys's second album with Old Flames Never

1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:10.920
<v Speaker 7>Die and even with Loss in Emotion. Like I had

1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:13.960
<v Speaker 7>a coworker at a job I used to work at

1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:15.920
<v Speaker 7>who was like slightly older, so he's kind of like

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<v Speaker 7>an uncle, and he was one of them guys that

1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.160
<v Speaker 7>was like, see, man, they ain't nothing but Dinah Ross.

1:23:20.960 --> 1:23:22.479
<v Speaker 3>Hey, nothing but sliding the family start.

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<v Speaker 7>So I didn't even understand like what it meant to

1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:28.360
<v Speaker 7>be derivative or that sort of thing of like. So

1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:31.559
<v Speaker 7>he was like explaining to me, like, well, see this

1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:35.360
<v Speaker 7>reference is you know, a sly reference that they did

1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:38.160
<v Speaker 7>from this song. And then that's when I started to

1:23:39.280 --> 1:23:42.800
<v Speaker 7>look for like kind of the anatomy of a song

1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:45.360
<v Speaker 7>and how it comes from older songs that I never

1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:49.200
<v Speaker 7>knew that before that moment. And that's when I realized,

1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:53.280
<v Speaker 7>you guys really won older adults, Yeah, because you.

1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Were speaking a new language.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, kid, right, you said kids got it

1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:00.680
<v Speaker 7>and adults got it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>So with your with you guys his own career, I

1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:09.320
<v Speaker 7>believe that it wasn't the executive of Columbia Rodriguez what's

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<v Speaker 7>his name?

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<v Speaker 3>Ruben? Was?

1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:16.880
<v Speaker 7>Was he sort of the not the product manager, but

1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.920
<v Speaker 7>was he like the head an r. Was he the

1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:23.720
<v Speaker 7>who was at the helm of running things as far

1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:26.479
<v Speaker 7>as Full Force and Lisa.

1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:29.960
<v Speaker 4>Lisa Caltaire and Pey because we were all in the

1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:32.240
<v Speaker 4>same label and all part of the Full Force family.

1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Ruben Rodriguez was the head of promotions, radio promotions. Cecil

1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Holmes was hit of Urban A and R so was

1:24:40.960 --> 1:24:41.400
<v Speaker 4>Locke and.

1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:48.639
<v Speaker 7>Arnold Yo like I remember his name from like back

1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:53.439
<v Speaker 7>at Captain Yeah Marvin and also doing the Silvers, doing

1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:54.280
<v Speaker 7>Tabaris and all that.

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<v Speaker 4>What was Larkinn'd like? Larkin was very stern. He was

1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:01.400
<v Speaker 4>just kind of a stern guys, very serious, no nonsense,

1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:04.559
<v Speaker 4>and when we came on there and and it was

1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:07.000
<v Speaker 4>actually his idea, we didn't like the idea.

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<v Speaker 9>But a lot of times we always tell people that

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<v Speaker 9>our first full fourth single was a song called Alice

1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.200
<v Speaker 9>I Want you just for Me, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It really wasn't.

1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:20.040
<v Speaker 9>It was actually a song called girl if I Take

1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:23.280
<v Speaker 9>You Home, which was and only because we had all

1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:26.840
<v Speaker 9>that answer back stuff with UTFO, because there were so

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.120
<v Speaker 9>many answer back records to utfo's rock sand Roxanne that

1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:32.559
<v Speaker 9>we even jumped on our own bandwagon and we were

1:25:32.600 --> 1:25:35.080
<v Speaker 9>the ones to come out with the real rock sand

1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.679
<v Speaker 9>So that was part of full Forces Stamp. I forgot

1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:40.840
<v Speaker 9>to ask you, yeah, but Larkin wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>Us, man, you think maybe you could do an answer back?

1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:45.519
<v Speaker 4>I wonder if I take you Home? I'm like, are

1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:46.240
<v Speaker 4>you serious?

1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:49.360
<v Speaker 9>You said, yeah, I think it'll work and we did

1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:52.000
<v Speaker 9>girl if I Take Girl, If I Take You Home,

1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:54.280
<v Speaker 9>and we've had least to sing a little bit in there,

1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:56.599
<v Speaker 9>and they didn't really do it that hot and like that.

1:25:56.720 --> 1:25:58.360
<v Speaker 4>We didn't want to do it. But when we came

1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:00.640
<v Speaker 4>out with Alice, you know, that was the show for us.

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<v Speaker 4>But Lark and Arnold she was.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait, wasn't a girl if I Take You Home? Or

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<v Speaker 7>on the B side of the twelve inch?

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<v Speaker 9>It was on a twelve inch and the other side

1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:12.559
<v Speaker 9>was a song called Let's Dance Against the Wall.

1:26:12.920 --> 1:26:15.080
<v Speaker 4>But Girl if I Take You Home was the first single.

1:26:15.520 --> 1:26:17.960
<v Speaker 9>Alice was a was a single by itself with a

1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:20.360
<v Speaker 9>lot of different OUs dub mixes and stuff like that

1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:21.160
<v Speaker 9>on the no.

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<v Speaker 7>No I was asking about because I know on the

1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:26.760
<v Speaker 7>B side there was like a version of I Wonder

1:26:26.800 --> 1:26:29.040
<v Speaker 7>if I Take You Home on Lisa's twelve inch, in

1:26:29.080 --> 1:26:31.360
<v Speaker 7>which there might have been a rap kind of the

1:26:31.360 --> 1:26:34.040
<v Speaker 7>way like if you remember Cameo She Strange, there was

1:26:34.040 --> 1:26:38.600
<v Speaker 7>a She Shanes rap, but it was there was a and.

1:26:38.960 --> 1:26:40.040
<v Speaker 3>The same for Atomic Dog.

1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:42.240
<v Speaker 7>The B side of Atomic Dog was Atomic Dog rap

1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:45.479
<v Speaker 7>on the B side of the twelve inch of Lisa Lisa.

1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:49.920
<v Speaker 7>It was definitely what I assume were you guys's voices doing.

1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:51.800
<v Speaker 4>A thing and you're writer.

1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:54.880
<v Speaker 3>It's called take You Home rap, and so this is

1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:55.679
<v Speaker 3>not the same song.

1:26:56.560 --> 1:26:58.679
<v Speaker 9>No, And that was on Lisa Lisa album The Girl

1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:00.840
<v Speaker 9>If I Take You Home was a whole different thing.

1:27:01.200 --> 1:27:04.000
<v Speaker 9>And you know Lark and Arnold, you know he was

1:27:04.120 --> 1:27:06.639
<v Speaker 9>he was a really no nonsense kind of dude and

1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:10.639
<v Speaker 9>so no nonsense that he definitely crossed us a shot

1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:15.000
<v Speaker 9>at being on the Crush Groove soundtrack. I mean the

1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:18.120
<v Speaker 9>replacement song, of course was not shabby Terry LUs and

1:27:18.200 --> 1:27:22.200
<v Speaker 9>Jimmy Jam. But but Russell Simmons when.

1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:25.000
<v Speaker 4>They did Crush Grew because at the time, Russell Shimmons

1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:27.880
<v Speaker 4>just came up with Death Jam to be be be

1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:30.360
<v Speaker 4>part of Columbia Records, and you had a lot of

1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:33.280
<v Speaker 4>black executives because Russell did to deal with, you know,

1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:37.120
<v Speaker 4>the white power of this beast power the Beast and

1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:37.639
<v Speaker 4>a lot of.

1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.559
<v Speaker 9>The other black zayas were kind of feeling away. So

1:27:40.880 --> 1:27:44.439
<v Speaker 9>Russell Simmons wanted our song Unselfish Lover with the big

1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:47.320
<v Speaker 9>beat and everything. He wanted that to be the love

1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:54.600
<v Speaker 9>scene when Blair Underwood and Sheila E. That's what he

1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:59.840
<v Speaker 9>wanted he wanted that, and Lark and Arnold is like, no, no, no,

1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:01.639
<v Speaker 9>it's just gonna be for the full Fust album.

1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:03.960
<v Speaker 4>We was like, can it be in the movie? We

1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:07.400
<v Speaker 4>were so excited that Russell wanted it, and Lock and

1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:10.120
<v Speaker 4>all said no. So they ended up getting some They

1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:12.360
<v Speaker 4>ended up getting some corny song like tend to Love

1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:13.120
<v Speaker 4>by the.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, Okay, so you said something.

1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:22.160
<v Speaker 7>And now I got to get back to the physicality

1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:26.000
<v Speaker 7>aspect of full force. Is there really such a thing

1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:32.200
<v Speaker 7>as an executive being no nonsense? With the six of

1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:36.439
<v Speaker 7>you guys in the room, they got to Now, I

1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:38.679
<v Speaker 7>don't want to ask any pugilism.

1:28:38.240 --> 1:28:45.880
<v Speaker 9>Questions, but but but I do want to know.

1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:51.400
<v Speaker 3>And it could even be amongst yourselves, you guys.

1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:55.400
<v Speaker 7>Have you guys ever had a situation where y'all had

1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:59.160
<v Speaker 7>to go full Brooklyn on someone in real life, not

1:28:59.280 --> 1:28:59.840
<v Speaker 7>in the movies.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, leave you all alone?

1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Did they leave you all alone?

1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:05.639
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:09.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Nobody fucked with us. Even though even though we

1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:11.840
<v Speaker 4>had our gam curls, and even though Paul used to

1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:15.640
<v Speaker 4>wear a little eyeliner and stuff like that, nobody fucked us.

1:29:15.680 --> 1:29:19.200
<v Speaker 9>I'll never forget fat Man was a fat man Scoop. Yeah,

1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:22.000
<v Speaker 9>fat mask Fat Man Scoop was told me. He said, Yo, man,

1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:22.519
<v Speaker 9>I'm telling you.

1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:25.720
<v Speaker 4>Growing up then, y'all had the Jerry curls and all

1:29:25.720 --> 1:29:28.880
<v Speaker 4>of that stuff and stressed and crazy like princes sometimes

1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:32.320
<v Speaker 4>but not even the hardest nigga back and they would

1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:35.120
<v Speaker 4>want to fuck with y'all, and and everybody just gave

1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:38.040
<v Speaker 4>us respect because we was on tour. We did the

1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:39.760
<v Speaker 4>fresh Tress. We did a lot of fresh Tress. We

1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:42.000
<v Speaker 4>were like the only useful act, but a lot of

1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:43.280
<v Speaker 4>different fresh Fress things.

1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:47.360
<v Speaker 9>And the only time we got we went full Brooklyn

1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:50.519
<v Speaker 9>and didn't come to fighting, but we were kind of

1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:55.200
<v Speaker 9>threatened sort of and was with uh when we was

1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:57.520
<v Speaker 9>on tour with Larry Blackman and cameo.

1:29:57.720 --> 1:29:59.280
<v Speaker 4>And wow, yeah yeah.

1:29:59.320 --> 1:30:02.800
<v Speaker 9>And what happened is that in our act, our act

1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:06.400
<v Speaker 9>was a crazy, wild, full force act. And you know,

1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:10.400
<v Speaker 9>at the time there was nobody in music like flexing,

1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:12.479
<v Speaker 9>physical fitness, like nobody.

1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:15.639
<v Speaker 4>It was just us with our droopy Jerry and everything.

1:30:16.080 --> 1:30:18.360
<v Speaker 4>Paul and those shirts yes, oh.

1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah yeah shirts and those pants.

1:30:21.120 --> 1:30:23.800
<v Speaker 7>I think that you have yeah, you have a you

1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:25.840
<v Speaker 7>have a shot of the pants right behind you in

1:30:25.880 --> 1:30:30.000
<v Speaker 7>that photo microphone yeah, I had the pants with your

1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:32.599
<v Speaker 7>hand on your oh yeah, yeah.

1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:35.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's that's like with some oh yeah yeah, with

1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:35.960
<v Speaker 4>the hand and the crotch.

1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:38.600
<v Speaker 3>And I thought that was a ry blackman move. I

1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:39.840
<v Speaker 3>thought that was a cameo move.

1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:43.160
<v Speaker 4>But good, no, we had that way before, way before.

1:30:44.400 --> 1:30:47.760
<v Speaker 4>I was doing that. Okay, God love thing video.

1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:50.679
<v Speaker 9>I got one with a microphone on there. But when

1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:54.280
<v Speaker 9>we would do our shows, Paul at the end of

1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:58.320
<v Speaker 9>the show, I would say, ladies, ladies.

1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:01.840
<v Speaker 16>Before we go, many of y'all would love to see

1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:04.519
<v Speaker 16>Paul Anthony take.

1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:09.679
<v Speaker 9>It off, and they would they would go crazy because

1:31:09.680 --> 1:31:11.840
<v Speaker 9>we would bring the strip of mentality.

1:31:12.479 --> 1:31:15.160
<v Speaker 4>We bring the strip of mentality to the stage. Nobody

1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:20.920
<v Speaker 4>did that either. Music SA I'll never forget Michael Beeves go, man,

1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:22.960
<v Speaker 4>how do you like when people be, you know, fifty

1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:25.240
<v Speaker 4>cents ellen they take off their shirt? I mean, y'all

1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:26.800
<v Speaker 4>started that, you know, I.

1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:30.519
<v Speaker 9>Said, well whatever, But but I remember when we take

1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:34.160
<v Speaker 9>it off. Paul would take off his shirt and and

1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:37.200
<v Speaker 9>you know, the women would go crazy. And then after that,

1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:40.320
<v Speaker 9>I would say, wait a minute, y'all, ladies, wasn't that

1:31:40.439 --> 1:31:41.240
<v Speaker 9>some cheap shit?

1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:43.559
<v Speaker 4>They go, yeah, I.

1:31:43.479 --> 1:31:48.120
<v Speaker 16>Said, well, shouldn't he well, everybody say cheap ship, cheap ship.

1:31:48.640 --> 1:31:52.760
<v Speaker 9>And then I say he should finish the job, right, yeah,

1:31:53.240 --> 1:31:53.639
<v Speaker 9>and they.

1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:57.080
<v Speaker 16>Said, ladies, everybody in the house, they pull it down,

1:31:57.520 --> 1:32:00.920
<v Speaker 16>pull it down, man, put down.

1:32:01.280 --> 1:32:03.400
<v Speaker 9>And then Paul would get up and we would do

1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:06.599
<v Speaker 9>the whole musical thing like a drama show, and the music,

1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:16.200
<v Speaker 9>and Jerry would do the keyboards like sinister and Paul.

1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:15.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh, they're all buff, they're all like Bill.

1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:22.320
<v Speaker 4>Started. After that, I would do some stripping, but my my, well,

1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:25.640
<v Speaker 4>let me tell you up. So what Paul would do.

1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:30.120
<v Speaker 9>He would he would unbuckle the belt and unbuckle this,

1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:31.320
<v Speaker 9>and we play the music.

1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:33.360
<v Speaker 4>Then he turned around and he said, man, y'all know

1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:36.160
<v Speaker 4>I can't do that. He turned around and then he'd

1:32:36.160 --> 1:32:37.080
<v Speaker 4>get his past together.

1:32:37.160 --> 1:32:40.400
<v Speaker 9>He turned back and he pulled out his pants and

1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:47.040
<v Speaker 9>there was the G string and the place went, yeah.

1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:49.040
<v Speaker 3>So crazy.

1:32:49.040 --> 1:32:51.799
<v Speaker 4>And then Paul would start flexing and doing his body

1:32:51.800 --> 1:32:54.680
<v Speaker 4>built poses, and the women would go so stupid.

1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:57.280
<v Speaker 9>I got into the act later, and I think I

1:32:57.360 --> 1:32:58.759
<v Speaker 9>did like maybe five times.

1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:01.240
<v Speaker 4>What I would do when I pulled down my thing.

1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:04.719
<v Speaker 4>My G string was electric bulbs all around my ship,

1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:12.240
<v Speaker 4>and the lights in the whole venue and you just

1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:16.960
<v Speaker 4>see my flashing lights on my ship. See I did it.

1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:19.559
<v Speaker 4>I got electrocuted and I never did it again.

1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:25.040
<v Speaker 16>Way electrocuted my nuts and.

1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.479
<v Speaker 4>It was crazy your service.

1:33:30.600 --> 1:33:33.639
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate clip clip of the week.

1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:38.479
<v Speaker 9>It was so crazy roasty nuts and it's so crazy

1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:41.439
<v Speaker 9>with with Paul because it was so ridiculous. I remember

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<v Speaker 9>Jamie Fox telling us how he remembered our show the

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<v Speaker 9>way we came out.

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<v Speaker 4>We would do stuff like the Alice sandwich. We get

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<v Speaker 4>a girl and bring up on stage and Paul and

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<v Speaker 4>Paul would grab her. Then I get behind the girl.

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<v Speaker 9>Then Paul picked me up and the girl up at

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<v Speaker 9>the same time.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll show just Alice Sandwich. Alice. That was I remember

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<v Speaker 4>that you and the show would be.

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<v Speaker 9>Our show would be bananas a wild, so much so

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<v Speaker 9>that at the end of the show and say, how

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<v Speaker 9>many y'all would like to know which hotel we stayed

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<v Speaker 9>that tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>WHOA.

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<v Speaker 9>Then I go, I can't do that, man, because the

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<v Speaker 9>people at the Marryott down there.

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<v Speaker 4>At twenty two.

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<v Speaker 5>See, you know what you just proved, You just Paul,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking about Paul Lord.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what you just proved, Lou You just proved

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<v Speaker 6>that twenty twenty one sucks like we couldn't never like

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<v Speaker 6>that just can't have And no male artist is willing

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<v Speaker 6>to give as much as y'all gave.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you right now in the in Atlanta and.

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<v Speaker 6>Not in the same situation. They have their clothes on,

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<v Speaker 6>the women are naked. It ain't the men taking their

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<v Speaker 6>clothes off.

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<v Speaker 5>And doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, men don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they not.

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<v Speaker 5>They make you take your off even though you pay

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<v Speaker 5>for your ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>That's still happening. It just happened with the DMS.

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<v Speaker 4>Now check this out.

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<v Speaker 9>So with that, Marry Blackman's uh manager or road manager

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<v Speaker 9>came backstage to us and he said to us, Hey, listen, y'all,

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<v Speaker 9>y'all gotta stop that that strip.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all gotta stop taking off the clothes stuff. And we're like, why, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Larry don't want that, Larry don't want no none.

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<v Speaker 4>Larry don't want that.

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<v Speaker 9>This was during the Word Up, the Word Up to

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<v Speaker 9>a woman who did like twenty five days with him,

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<v Speaker 9>and I said said and Paul said, so wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 9>Larry Blackman said that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Larry Blackman said that. I said, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>because we have so much respect for Larry blackman and

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<v Speaker 4>cameo because they treated us nice. So I said, well, well,

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<v Speaker 4>can Larry come back here and tell us that, can

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<v Speaker 4>he tell us that that he doesn't want us to

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<v Speaker 4>do the strip no more? Can you please tell him

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<v Speaker 4>to come back here and let's talk and let's see

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<v Speaker 4>what he has to say.

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<v Speaker 9>And then the guy looked at us and said, oh no, no, no, Larry,

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<v Speaker 9>don't talk to the open and act.

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<v Speaker 4>He don't talk to open the next wow.

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<v Speaker 9>So after that we looked at him and Paul said, oh, really, Larry,

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<v Speaker 9>do over that all right? Give this message to Larry,

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<v Speaker 9>tell him fuck him and that tonight I'm wearing canary

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<v Speaker 9>yellow g string, all right, tell him that.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell him that all right. And then we had like

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<v Speaker 4>everybody on the road with us. Our roadies was.

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<v Speaker 9>All from our neighborhood, from our Brooklyn neighborhood, said some

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<v Speaker 9>of the same guys that used to tell us, man,

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<v Speaker 9>y'all should get a job.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, why you have a hurdy? I should get a job.

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<v Speaker 4>But well, we took them on the road with us

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<v Speaker 4>the summer tours, and we told them to get ready

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<v Speaker 4>to listen if anybody tries to fuck with our sound

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<v Speaker 4>or do one of those sabotage shits, We're gonna fuck

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<v Speaker 4>them down bottom line.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, oh yeah, it's definitely going down Brooklyn style without

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<v Speaker 9>a fucking doubt.

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<v Speaker 4>But nobody fucked with our shit. Nobody fuck us. We

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<v Speaker 4>were waiting, We were waiting after we sent that message

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<v Speaker 4>back and there was no there was no problem after that.

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<v Speaker 4>We stay the same sometimes. We don't even know if

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<v Speaker 4>Larry said that.

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<v Speaker 9>He might not say that, but I remember us, I

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<v Speaker 9>remember us telling that story in front of Larry, which

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<v Speaker 9>he didn't deny, but we told that in front of

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<v Speaker 9>him when we had a seminole. It was us, Larry

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<v Speaker 9>Blackman and Ike Turner, whoa you know, yeah, great rest

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<v Speaker 9>in peace, and we told that story and Larry and

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<v Speaker 9>Larry just laughed, you know, Larry just laughed.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know that's that's the closest stem.

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<v Speaker 3>Ladies and gentlemen.

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