Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, What I Blue?
Speaker 2: What's good?
Speaker 3: Brother? What's up brother?
Speaker 4: How you feel?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Good man?
Speaker 4: Cool man?
Speaker 5: Cool hand? And he got a haircut this Oh nice,
Speaker 5: nice nice.
Speaker 2: I had to shape it up outside in my homie garage.
Speaker 3: Oh outside, okay.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, outside mass stuff in the garage. That's how
Speaker 2: you do it.
Speaker 4: I ain't seeing you with a haircut so long.
Speaker 5: I'm like, who is that? What his name is?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Dangerous man with some money?
Speaker 6: Man funny, that's funny.
Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Quest Love Supreme. I'm your
Speaker 7: host Quest Love. We have Teams Supreme today in the house,
Speaker 7: we have live here where you right now?
Speaker 5: I am at Los Angele.
Speaker 3: Leans, Los Angeles at home.
Speaker 5: YEP show is.
Speaker 3: What's a Giant to Live quality poster behind me? I
Speaker 3: don't know. That's commons.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry both of them.
Speaker 5: It's that long time ago when they went on tour
Speaker 5: with com and Niphat.
Speaker 7: All right, I see, I see eons ago, eons ago,
Speaker 7: Sugar Step in the house.
Speaker 3: We're in the same place, but we're in separate rooms.
Speaker 3: What's up? Sticks?
Speaker 4: I like it this way you know, close by, but
Speaker 4: not too close.
Speaker 3: Okay, uh fresh cut?
Speaker 8: Yeah man, yeah, man. Had to bring in the spring
Speaker 8: the right way. So Win got cut up in my
Speaker 8: homeboo garage today.
Speaker 3: This is your first cut in a year or.
Speaker 8: So or nah, it's only I've been cut a few times,
Speaker 8: but it's only been over the year. I probably only
Speaker 8: got cut like two three times, so it ain't been
Speaker 8: and all. And every time I got cut it was
Speaker 8: the same situation we was cutting outside. So this is
Speaker 8: my first one in months since it's my first one
Speaker 8: of the year for sure.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, cool cool, all right, Well, good to see
Speaker 7: you getting fresh for twenty twenty one. What can I say, y'all,
Speaker 7: it's an honor and a pleasure to have our guest
Speaker 7: on the show today.
Speaker 3: Amongst his achievements being.
Speaker 7: One of the founding members one of the most crucial
Speaker 7: production teams in hip hop culture and music. But there,
Speaker 7: I say, one of the first major production teams in
Speaker 7: hip hop culture. Like previous to full Force his arrival
Speaker 7: on the scene, I'll say that most music production was
Speaker 7: usually a one man show or kind of a duo
Speaker 7: at best. But it should be noted that in addition
Speaker 7: to a vast array of the artists that they work with,
Speaker 7: like Utfo, Britney Spears, Lisa Lisa Cult, Jam and Sink, Selena,
Speaker 7: Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 3: James Brown.
Speaker 7: My favorite R and B name of all time, next
Speaker 7: to Lelo Thomas, which is schoyl Pepsi Riley. I always
Speaker 7: have to say her name with the zest of a
Speaker 7: gospel play announcer Richard Simple, Siels, Ricky Bell sh pe
Speaker 7: Wait a minute, I'm joking right now, but I believe
Speaker 7: I heard wasn't there things for my child gospel play?
Speaker 3: I believe there was one.
Speaker 5: Really she was in gospel plays. I don't know if
Speaker 5: it was the things for my child.
Speaker 7: I believe I once heard it's it's one of those
Speaker 7: things for my child moments in a gospel play. It's
Speaker 7: like way before Tyle Perry. Anyway, I digress. Some of
Speaker 7: the greatest jams ever name him Roxy and Roxanne. I
Speaker 7: wonder if I take you home, can you feel the
Speaker 7: beat static?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 7: Try me or as Jasmine guy pronounce it? Try had
Speaker 7: to tell all cried out, way wait, wait, wait, way
Speaker 7: more hits more than if you know?
Speaker 3: If I name them, all will be here all night.
Speaker 7: And despite his and his team's penchant for playing some
Speaker 7: of the scariest villains on the silver screen, Chris.
Speaker 3: Groove and use Fussy. Yeah, I will say that they're probably.
Speaker 7: Some of the nicest guys ever, and I just I
Speaker 7: personally want to add that, you know, growing up being
Speaker 7: fourteen years old, stuck with a very doweby nerdy voice disposition,
Speaker 7: our guest today was a personal hero of mine because
Speaker 7: you just didn't see this level of nerdiness and funkiness
Speaker 7: and authenticness coming from the same source. So I'll say
Speaker 7: that he doesn't get enough praise for his contributions. And
Speaker 7: I'm speaking for the entire four squad. They made an
Speaker 7: immediate impression on me because there was definitely a moment
Speaker 7: when I was like fifteen, trying to decide in the
Speaker 7: crack era of West Philadelphia shoulda code switched my way
Speaker 7: into adulthood or just be my nerdy self?
Speaker 3: And I chose the latter wisely.
Speaker 7: So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome two courts Love Supreme
Speaker 7: my personal hero bow Legged Lou a full force, Yes, sir,
Speaker 7: thank you man.
Speaker 8: You guys, Lou, I don't know if you were I
Speaker 8: don't know if you remember Lou we actually met. This
Speaker 8: is probably this is a couple of years ago. The
Speaker 8: Harris family in in Raleigh, North Carolina. They did teen
Speaker 8: Fest and you and your brothers came over to the
Speaker 8: crib and we met there. That was like my first time.
Speaker 8: I mean, this was probably like twenty fifteen or something.
Speaker 8: It's some years back. But they're they're just a great family.
Speaker 8: And they said, yeah, you know, the full force guys
Speaker 8: are coming over, and I was like, really, wow, y'all
Speaker 8: y'all showed up.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, it's really them. Well, yeah
Speaker 2: it was. It was it was Lou, it was Paul, Anthony,
Speaker 2: and then be Fine.
Speaker 8: It was just I think it was just three all
Speaker 8: that night as y'allould do something for for teen Fest.
Speaker 8: And I even called Knife that now. I was like, bro,
Speaker 8: you ain't gonna believe you gotta come over here. He's
Speaker 8: like what I said, Bro, you just got to come
Speaker 8: over here. And he came over and like that whole night,
Speaker 8: me and him were just texting each other back and forth,
Speaker 8: like lines from house party and ship like.
Speaker 2: But but now, y'all, y'all was good. Good dudes, man,
Speaker 2: It was good to meet y'all brothers.
Speaker 9: Man, brother man, And I'm glad you shouted out the
Speaker 9: Harris family because of uh Donald y Maria her husband
Speaker 9: or ex husband.
Speaker 2: I think now is it Lenny Lennis? I think they
Speaker 2: still married. As far as I know, they're still marri Okay.
Speaker 9: But anyway, still beautiful people regardless we're together.
Speaker 7: Wait, we always got to ask if couples have made
Speaker 7: it past uh past the pandemic. You know, I've taken count.
Speaker 7: There's at least eighteen of my friends that have not
Speaker 7: make it right, didn't make it.
Speaker 3: H Lou. I know.
Speaker 7: Your your brothers are are be finding Paul Anthony, but
Speaker 7: what's are what's your relationship with uh Shashai, Kurt.
Speaker 3: And baby Jerry? Like, are they cousins or they're just friends?
Speaker 9: No, they are blood cousins. So it's a family of fear.
Speaker 9: They are three cousins, and you know we have a
Speaker 9: family of fair.
Speaker 7: Okay, So it's kind of like the Isley brother situation,
Speaker 7: which it's three main brothers and then adding family members
Speaker 7: and supplementing the group.
Speaker 3: Yo, man, this is it. What's weird is.
Speaker 7: That you and I became friends on social media and
Speaker 7: I always wanted to interview you, which is kind of
Speaker 7: why I always kept a distance because.
Speaker 3: I wanted to save our first conversation for the show.
Speaker 4: Oh shit.
Speaker 7: So if anything, I kind of I made Jimmy Jam
Speaker 7: his proxy because I've already interviewed Jimmy Jam. So like
Speaker 7: now Jam and I like talk every day, but this
Speaker 7: is like the moment I've been waiting for it for
Speaker 7: the show. Like want to use this as as that movement.
Speaker 7: Where are you right now as we speak.
Speaker 4: I'm actually upstairs and in my office.
Speaker 7: But I mean, I don't I don't know what city
Speaker 7: you reside in now, don't Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania, the Poconos. That's why that's where I live. Wow.
Speaker 9: Okay, Yes, me and my brothers, we've been up here
Speaker 9: for like at least fifteen years. And what you know,
Speaker 9: the three of us, we just made a brother move
Speaker 9: from Brooklyn to here, you know.
Speaker 4: And my I, I never really wanted to move here.
Speaker 9: But what made me come here is that Paul all
Speaker 9: of a sudden, when he was going through his cancer journey,
Speaker 9: he just wanted to move.
Speaker 4: He just wanted to we just let's get out of Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Let's just go.
Speaker 9: So I was my brother's keeper during all his cancer journey.
Speaker 9: So I'm like, okay, he said.
Speaker 4: He said to me, he said, listen, this is what
Speaker 4: we're going to do. I already spoke to Be, you know,
Speaker 4: be fine.
Speaker 9: I spoke to Be and we said, let's all moved together,
Speaker 9: and we just built some houses from ground up.
Speaker 4: We go to the Pocono's.
Speaker 9: We don't want mom to live by herself anymore, so
Speaker 9: she'll live with you. And because you're not married anymore,
Speaker 9: you know me be still married. So that's what we're
Speaker 9: gonna do. And that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, and that was it. I mean, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: who made that decision? It wasn't me, But I was
Speaker 4: my brother.
Speaker 9: I was my brother's keeper and I'm here now, so
Speaker 9: it's all good.
Speaker 2: So with moms, man, how many moms in the house,
Speaker 2: how is they?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 9: Well, my mom's I became a primary care taker last
Speaker 9: March when COVID started, so she lives with me and
Speaker 9: it's all good.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: I'm just taking care of it the best way I can.
Speaker 9: And my brothers are chipping and pitching. And she was.
Speaker 4: You know, she's got health issues, but we're here for her,
Speaker 4: just like she was for us when we were growing up.
Speaker 4: So it's all good.
Speaker 2: I can dig it.
Speaker 7: So have you guys always made decisions with each other
Speaker 7: like nomads, because this is it's definitely like a new
Speaker 7: mad move where no matter what happens, we all moved together,
Speaker 7: which is weird because once I became adult, the first
Speaker 7: thing I did was got as far away as possible
Speaker 7: from my family.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: So funny is that Paul lives that we live in
Speaker 9: the same cul de sac.
Speaker 4: He's like directly across from me.
Speaker 9: He wanted to me that close to our mom so
Speaker 9: were directly he could open his door.
Speaker 4: Hey lord, y'all right, and he shaid, like all the
Speaker 4: time back and forth.
Speaker 9: My brother b he lives like I would say, ten
Speaker 9: minutes from us, and he's like, listen, I don't.
Speaker 4: Mind living close to y'all, but I just don't want
Speaker 4: to live too close. That was, you know, but.
Speaker 9: Paul's directly across from me, like directly across with our houses.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to ask, like, what made it?
Speaker 6: What made the Poconos Because y'all are from Brooklyn, so
Speaker 6: you could have did Jersey, you could skip Philly, gelt everything.
Speaker 5: Why just the Poconos.
Speaker 9: I mean Goeta, ask Paul, I mean him and be
Speaker 9: They wanted to do that, and.
Speaker 4: That's what we did.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't really want to come out here, but
Speaker 4: it's just fine. It's cool.
Speaker 9: But my night life was always New York City, you know,
Speaker 9: and it'll stay my night life, especially when COVID finishes up.
Speaker 4: But I was going back.
Speaker 9: And forth anyway, because we still have like a little
Speaker 9: crash pad office in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well.
Speaker 7: I'm from Philly, so you know, I used to go
Speaker 7: to the Poconos a lot. Are you guys near Strausburg
Speaker 7: or is there another part.
Speaker 4: Of you We're close? You were close by Strausburg.
Speaker 3: I gotta ask you are those.
Speaker 7: Are those like resorts still open, like uh, Cove Haven
Speaker 7: and Paradise Stream and.
Speaker 3: All the.
Speaker 4: Still yes, still.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The kind of circuit that my dad did was always
Speaker 7: like you know, you would do, uh, you do the
Speaker 7: cat Skills, and then you do two months in the
Speaker 7: cat Skills, and then we do like three months in
Speaker 7: the Poconos. And back then I was like too young
Speaker 7: because these were like newly wet resorts, so you weren't
Speaker 7: allowed to kids weren't allowed on the property. Oh okay,
Speaker 7: you know that's where I did a majority of my
Speaker 7: MTV watching because I just had to stay in the
Speaker 7: house and watch SIMTV nine hours while they were work
Speaker 7: because kids weren't allowed to just walk around. So yeah,
Speaker 7: I kind of missed it there. So what part of
Speaker 7: Brooklyn were you guys from.
Speaker 9: Initially, Well, began with me and my two brothers, Like
Speaker 9: we grew up as very young kids and that's when
Speaker 9: we started, you know, singing, thanks to my father's when
Speaker 9: they groomed us for that.
Speaker 4: And we started out in Bedford Stuyvesant. First we lived
Speaker 4: on six seventy Halsey Street between Patchen and Reed. Then
Speaker 4: we moved to Kingston Avenue which was Crown Heights Kingston
Speaker 4: Avenue between Brigand and Dean, and then we moved to
Speaker 4: East Flatbush Lenox Road between Scnnected and East forty six.
Speaker 4: So when we got to East Flatish is when you know,
Speaker 4: we became full force with our cousins because they were
Speaker 4: already living there.
Speaker 7: And what what was the the environment like in Brooklyn
Speaker 7: at the time when you were growing.
Speaker 9: Up well and in Bedsty I would have to say no, no, yeah,
Speaker 9: in Bedsty, I mean it was cool.
Speaker 4: You would never know. It was kind of crazy because
Speaker 4: we were in a public school then. But I think
Speaker 4: when we went.
Speaker 9: To Crin Heights in Brooklyn, man, we were just it
Speaker 9: was just some good times. We'd be on the on
Speaker 9: the street corners playing skelly right on the damn ground,
Speaker 9: like every day we played Steel the Bacon.
Speaker 4: We played Booties Up. We would and we would always
Speaker 4: go to theston.
Speaker 9: You know, Booties Up is like you chase, you chase
Speaker 9: people around the whole damn block and then when you
Speaker 9: capture them, you line them up against the wall and
Speaker 9: it's almost like.
Speaker 4: A firing squad, but instead of a firing squad, they
Speaker 4: all with their butts out where clothes of course. And
Speaker 4: we would take these pency pink of balls like how
Speaker 4: you play. And when we used to make some sore
Speaker 4: answers and it was crazy, reckless and they were hurting
Speaker 4: people and making people. That's what we played.
Speaker 3: We would take it to the next level in West
Speaker 3: Philly and use softballs. Oh yo, ma aastball. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 7: Okay, I gotta ask because the thing is is that
Speaker 7: I know, like nothing irks me more when people make
Speaker 7: a big deal of like you speak so well, because
Speaker 7: they're basically trying to say that the exterior from which
Speaker 7: the voice is coming out of does not match the voice,
Speaker 7: which I mean, I grew with that ship all my life.
Speaker 7: Like I was always a big dude, you know, kind
Speaker 7: of scary looking or whatever. And then I start talking
Speaker 7: and they're like they're totally disarmed. And but was it
Speaker 7: always that way for you when you were growing up
Speaker 7: in Brooklyn?
Speaker 9: I mean not really, but you know, I think because
Speaker 9: I remember, I remember you broke that same see I
Speaker 9: remember everything when we connected on social media. I think
Speaker 9: it was what was in my space. I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 9: that's just sketched.
Speaker 10: But but you exactly mentioned that to me and you said, yeah, man,
Speaker 10: I remember when you guys did so trained, and Don
Speaker 10: Cornelius must have said twice an intew.
Speaker 4: Well, you guys are very articulate, and we really like
Speaker 4: you and you're very articulate, and you know, because the
Speaker 4: way we looked, and you know, we came up with
Speaker 4: Jerry Curls.
Speaker 9: We're definitely the first R and B group to show
Speaker 9: physical fitness for seeks, So.
Speaker 3: That that's lightly putting it that way.
Speaker 4: Theerson doing so that's what people just made live jokes.
Speaker 4: So people just thought differently. But when we started talking
Speaker 4: and flowing, you know, people get caught off guard. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't know why, but that's just how it is,
Speaker 4: you know, people. You know, I'll never forget when we
Speaker 4: were getting rided. When we was we was.
Speaker 9: On the set of House Party two and Ralph Trendsman,
Speaker 9: who was performing in House Party.
Speaker 4: Two, he did a number right right exactly. He said
Speaker 4: to us, he said, Man, let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 9: When I first heard that y'all were going to be
Speaker 9: a house party, I kept saying to myself, Well, what.
Speaker 4: The hell are they gonna do? How are they gonna
Speaker 4: how are they gonna say their lines? Are they gonna say?
Speaker 4: Look at spot run, look.
Speaker 9: At When you told me that, I was saying, you're crazy, man,
Speaker 9: That's what I thought.
Speaker 4: Man, it's hilarious, nah.
Speaker 7: Dude, because I I was gonna say. The reason before
Speaker 7: I got my current management. Now, there was like one
Speaker 7: dude in Philadelphia that might have been in some street
Speaker 7: activity in Philadelphia and he wanted to like invest money
Speaker 7: in the roots and like, you know, give us like
Speaker 7: a couple like twenty thousand to do a demo or
Speaker 7: something like that. But I kept thinking about you guys
Speaker 7: and Cruss Groove and was like, Nope, no.
Speaker 4: Not.
Speaker 3: So how well okay?
Speaker 7: I always ask, well, do you remember the first album
Speaker 7: or first record you ever purchased?
Speaker 11: The first album I ever purchased was The Temptations Greatest Hits,
Speaker 11: and that's when they were still on Motown and it
Speaker 11: was only like ten.
Speaker 4: Songs on there. They didn't have that picture on the cover.
Speaker 4: It was just Temptations on that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, listing their greatest hits like the Way You Do,
Speaker 9: the Things You Do, all their early stuff.
Speaker 4: Because I've been a Temptations nerd since since I was
Speaker 4: in public school, always loving the Temptations. My brother Paul
Speaker 4: would always make fun and go, oh, you really like
Speaker 4: the Temptations, all twenty five of them?
Speaker 9: Okay, well that was my group back then and still
Speaker 9: their legacy is still my all time favorite.
Speaker 4: And I got every Temptation album you can mention it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I love the Temptations the whole stock. Bear Back too.
Speaker 4: I got bear Back.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: The first time I heard this song, I lost my mind.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck riding?
Speaker 4: I got their winners and I got their losers. I
Speaker 4: got to.
Speaker 7: Wait, no, this is I mean, I didn't. I didn't necessarily,
Speaker 7: I wasn't. I wasn't too discerning as a kid when
Speaker 7: records came in the house. But I definitely knew my
Speaker 7: dad's face when he brought home the House Party album
Speaker 7: that came out, I think after a Song for You.
Speaker 3: I think that was seventy six.
Speaker 7: And I remember again like I was five years old,
Speaker 7: so I didn't know what critically claimed was or of
Speaker 7: a good record of bad record, but I definitely remember
Speaker 7: my dad being not too happy with that, particularly Tim
Speaker 7: Tason's record, and so wow.
Speaker 9: Yeah, house Party, I remember that one too many they had.
Speaker 9: They did a house Party album for the damn movie
Speaker 9: exactly exactly.
Speaker 7: Wait, what's the what's the order of of you and
Speaker 7: your brothers?
Speaker 3: Who's the oldest in middle and youngest?
Speaker 4: I'm the oldest, Paul Anthony is the middle, and my
Speaker 4: brother b Fine is the youngest out of the three
Speaker 4: of us.
Speaker 5: Aren't y'all y'all a first generation? Like aren't your parents
Speaker 5: from the Islands?
Speaker 4: Well yeah, rikers.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know what I thought.
Speaker 3: My tumb spelled for this, like.
Speaker 5: She was like, wow, damn, no, I know Rikers right
Speaker 5: from the jump.
Speaker 4: My father's from Saint Thomas Virginalad's okay, and my mother's
Speaker 4: from Mom sent to Domingo from Santa Mingo, and I
Speaker 4: was born. I was also born at Saint Thomas Virginald's.
Speaker 4: I was like three years old when I came up
Speaker 4: to New York.
Speaker 9: You know, was Paul was made in Saint Thomas was
Speaker 9: born in New York?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Wait, is that do Mingo?
Speaker 2: Is that Dominicanican Republic?
Speaker 4: That's the Dominican Republic? Yeah, indeed, so.
Speaker 7: What is that summer summer of nineteen eighty I lived
Speaker 7: in the Frenchman's reef.
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Do you really what my parents did? You know?
Speaker 7: Like my parents would do like three to six months
Speaker 7: residency at a resort.
Speaker 3: So oh okay, the entire the.
Speaker 7: Frenchman's reef, so like the Kanticky and they would just
Speaker 7: go between Saint John's, Saint Saint John's, Saint Thomas, and
Speaker 7: Saint Croix, I believe, like, but we lived in the
Speaker 7: frenchman the reef in there, and all I remember was
Speaker 7: that's the first time I saw like old black men
Speaker 7: playing dominoes just on the street corner yeah, what.
Speaker 4: Was the game for the islands?
Speaker 3: But they will break the table like right, exactly, like
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 5: Of that or brother brother Domino.
Speaker 7: Brother No, yeah exactly, you had it correct the first time.
Speaker 7: So growing up in Brooklyn, like what was it just
Speaker 7: a musical environment?
Speaker 3: Like what were the first shows you went to?
Speaker 7: And how did that affect you and your brothers as entertainers?
Speaker 9: Man, Well, what happens that as we were growing up,
Speaker 9: me and my brother's starting out and we were so
Speaker 9: young when my father was assembling us to sing, like
Speaker 9: I think Paul had to be eight years old third
Speaker 9: grade and I was nine, and then my brother Beefine
Speaker 9: was five, but Paul was the first one that started singing.
Speaker 9: And this was in when we was in bed sty
Speaker 9: and Paul was the first one singing. He was singing
Speaker 9: in the bathroom because we didn't have a shower, but
Speaker 9: we had a bathroom and he was singing in the
Speaker 9: bathroom and he was singing this song by Smokey Robinson
Speaker 9: call if you Can Want, And Paul would sing that
Speaker 9: song and my father was like.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, honey, She'd tell me he got a voice,
Speaker 4: and my and my father, he was one of those
Speaker 4: dou wop singers.
Speaker 9: He'd be on the street corners with his friends and
Speaker 9: they were doing the doop harmony.
Speaker 4: They they had groups called the Criterions. He used to
Speaker 4: even work with Frankie Lyman one time, but that was
Speaker 4: his way.
Speaker 3: The father was in the Criterions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Criterions. Yeah, he was in that group.
Speaker 7: That I'm a I'm a do wop kid myself, so yeah,
Speaker 7: I know that name wow.
Speaker 9: And they used to do harmonies at the house and everything.
Speaker 4: He's the one that taught us about how to sing harmony.
Speaker 9: And it would be me and Paul because I got
Speaker 9: interested because he was working with my brother, so I
Speaker 9: got a little jealous and.
Speaker 4: He started working with me.
Speaker 9: My brother b Fine wasn't really interested in singing, but
Speaker 9: my father forced him and he said and he would,
Speaker 9: he would, he would give him a spanking.
Speaker 4: If you don't sing, you do nothing else. And he
Speaker 4: had no choice. He had no choice but to sing.
Speaker 3: And I was waiting for the Joe Jackson Stewart all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like that, but he wasn't wasn't
Speaker 4: that mean.
Speaker 9: But once we started singing, then my uncle Sito formed
Speaker 9: us as a group.
Speaker 4: He bought us these frill shirts and he.
Speaker 9: Made us a group and we went by the name
Speaker 9: of the Amplifiers.
Speaker 4: When we were growing up in Brooklyn, and we started
Speaker 4: out so young, but we would be singing the songs
Speaker 4: from the records, you know, Bowl of Confusion twenty five
Speaker 4: miles by Edmund Starr, one of my favorite joints, and
Speaker 4: we would just be doing that as we're growing up.
Speaker 9: And then what happened is that they took us to
Speaker 9: the Apollo Theater because back in the day before showtime
Speaker 9: at the Apollo, of course, the Apollow used to have
Speaker 9: like shows every week.
Speaker 4: They would have like ten shows every week, you know,
Speaker 4: two or three shows.
Speaker 9: A day, and they had a Paramach Night every Wednesday,
Speaker 9: way before showtime at the Apollow, but every Wednesday, and
Speaker 9: you had.
Speaker 4: To win first prize four weeks to row, and if
Speaker 4: you do that, you get to appear on the Professional Show.
Speaker 9: Well, we went on there and we did the song
Speaker 9: called Cloud Nine, which was by the Temptations, and we
Speaker 9: killed it like every week, and we won first place
Speaker 9: at the Apollo Theater every week, and then we appeared
Speaker 9: on the Professional Show with the late Great Joe Techs
Speaker 9: and the Whispers, which was the whispers. First time at
Speaker 9: the Apollo Theater. Back then they had a song call.
Speaker 9: Seems like I got to do wrong. And and I'm
Speaker 9: telling you before that, my uncle, my aunt, my father
Speaker 9: would take us to the Apollo Theater like religiously when
Speaker 9: we saw all these shows growing up youngsters, you know,
Speaker 9: Joe Simon, you know, Linda Jones Makes You Rest in Peace,
Speaker 9: Curtis Mayfield, tempta Supreme, I mean yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: Tyrold Davis, turn Back the Hands of Time. I mean,
Speaker 4: we grew up with all that music lineage, you know,
Speaker 4: and the Apollo Theater was magic. Man, it was like magic.
Speaker 4: So that's how we started, you know, like that.
Speaker 3: Can you all? Right?
Speaker 7: So I always wanted to ask anyone that's ever participated
Speaker 7: in Amateur Night when they come on this show, and
Speaker 7: I always forget to ask them pre pre showtime at
Speaker 7: the Apollo, what is the actual ritual for getting on
Speaker 7: and then doing Amateur Night?
Speaker 3: Like do you have to have chord charts?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: Do you bring a cassette to whoever the m D
Speaker 7: is or do you just say we're doing my girl
Speaker 7: in uh, you know, in e minor and they automatically
Speaker 7: know it, Like what's the process of Amateur Knight.
Speaker 9: Well, well, yeah, we had a guy with us named
Speaker 9: Jorge McKennon, so he knew a lot of the people
Speaker 9: back there. And the way we got through we never
Speaker 9: auditioned or nothing. He was like, pay somebody under the
Speaker 9: table and bam. We would be on the amateur night
Speaker 9: and in order to get there, the band we would rehearse.
Speaker 4: The band would rehearse with people and if they knew
Speaker 4: the song.
Speaker 9: Which they always knew, most of them they knew the song,
Speaker 9: they would just get the key or sometimes yeah, people
Speaker 9: would bring in their music they practice for sheet music.
Speaker 4: Okay, we got it. Sometimes the band didn't know the song.
Speaker 4: All right, you got to come up with another one.
Speaker 4: What do you got another song?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And then they would know it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So that would be the thing.
Speaker 9: And we'd all be practicing it, just getting everything together.
Speaker 4: And it was crazy.
Speaker 9: They used to have all the all the amateurs would
Speaker 9: be downstairs in the basement and you could hear like
Speaker 9: the professional show, like Stevie Wonder stomping on the on
Speaker 9: the ground and you can on the stage and you
Speaker 9: can hear him from in the seat. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 9: Stevie Wonder like stomping right now, singing stupid.
Speaker 4: Stition or whatever you know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we would That's how we would
Speaker 9: get it with the band members and they knew Cloud Nine.
Speaker 9: We didn't have to give them court. They just had
Speaker 9: to get it in our right key. And we was
Speaker 9: able to do it with the with the Apollo band.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 7: I always wanted to know, like if someone threw a
Speaker 7: curveball like I want to do Dian Warick's do you
Speaker 7: know the way the San Jose and the band would
Speaker 7: say like, naw, we don't know that ship.
Speaker 3: That's why I asked, like, did you have to?
Speaker 7: That explains why everyone did like Luther Vandross if only
Speaker 7: for one.
Speaker 3: Night or yeah, or.
Speaker 2: The open mic selection right right exactly?
Speaker 3: I get it now. So just leading into.
Speaker 7: Your actual recorded career, The first time I heard of
Speaker 7: you guys was on Curtis Blow's Party Time. But when
Speaker 7: was the when was the first side that you actually cut?
Speaker 7: Like the first time that you guys were in the
Speaker 7: studio recording stuff.
Speaker 9: The first thing that we have a cut, well, we
Speaker 9: did songs. The first studio thing we ever did was
Speaker 9: a song called Turn You On and it was on
Speaker 9: a small little independent label in Brooklyn. It was on
Speaker 9: Dazz Records, and we thought we made it only because
Speaker 9: on Dazz Records in the Brooklyn was a big hit record.
Speaker 4: Called Super Ryan Rap by Jimmy Spicer. Yeah right, May
Speaker 4: he rest in peace, and we're like, wow, we made it.
Speaker 9: We're on the same label as him. I mean, we
Speaker 9: didn't have no damn hit would turn you on. But
Speaker 9: that was like our first joint recording it, I mean.
Speaker 4: Like after that, Yeah, we worked with Curtis Blow.
Speaker 9: We did five songs on two different Curtis Blows album
Speaker 9: and the first one, you know, we did a song
Speaker 9: called big Time Hood and we did a song called
Speaker 9: under Fire, and we actually produced those songs, but at
Speaker 9: that time we didn't really have much say so we
Speaker 9: we had. We got the credit of co writing it
Speaker 9: and I got to give it. And the biggest song
Speaker 9: we did with Curtis was Yeah, party Time, Party Time,
Speaker 9: whoa is part of time? That song he brought us
Speaker 9: on tour with him and we still weren't known, but
Speaker 9: he took us on tour and we did a tour
Speaker 9: with him. New Edition Midnight Star Rick James and Mary
Speaker 9: Jane Girls and I'll never forget this. Listen, there's a
Speaker 9: crazy story, Kurt. If he hears the story, this is.
Speaker 4: Gonna be my first time saying it. Because I want
Speaker 4: to give I want to get quest.
Speaker 7: I think, I think I know this is going because
Speaker 7: Curtis told us the story about party time.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, you tell me the story.
Speaker 4: You did he do on the show?
Speaker 3: On the on the show, Well, he told us a
Speaker 3: story about doing it in d C.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, because that's the go Go joint, that's the
Speaker 5: Go Goo.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, oh yeah he did, but he just talked
Speaker 6: about performing it. It probably ain't the same story.
Speaker 4: Right, but go ahead, Oh man, I hope I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get mad. But here's the deal.
Speaker 4: So of course we did the song basketball.
Speaker 9: We co wrote that actually and played on that with
Speaker 9: him be all the time.
Speaker 4: When we went on the road, Oh.
Speaker 9: Lord, when we went on the road, Kurt. This was
Speaker 9: the same time New Edition was starting to get really
Speaker 9: popular and they just came out with their first album
Speaker 9: and they was the opening act, and then after them Curtis,
Speaker 9: then Midnight Star, Mary Jane Girls, Rick James, and.
Speaker 4: This particular night man.
Speaker 9: The promoter said, all right, Curtis, you're going to open up,
Speaker 9: oh this night, and he was pissed.
Speaker 4: Now. They talked about this some kind of way in
Speaker 4: the New Edition mini series. Oh man, Kurt, don't get
Speaker 4: mad because Curtis, you know, back this was back then,
Speaker 4: so so upset. And remember we're unknown, but we're cool.
Speaker 4: But he's pissed off. So he's so pissed off.
Speaker 9: He's pissed off a new Edition even though it wasn't
Speaker 9: New Editions idea for him to.
Speaker 4: Right, and he did not.
Speaker 9: He was so he said, man, they should have some
Speaker 9: damn respect. They don't have no respect for me.
Speaker 4: And he was pissed now. So then he said to
Speaker 4: us the man, oh lord, he said, okay, this is
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do. Man, open up.
Speaker 9: When we walk out of this dressing room, we're gonna
Speaker 9: walk right past their dressing.
Speaker 4: Room and we're gonna say it soon as we soon
Speaker 4: we leave there, I want all of us to say,
Speaker 4: Mothers from Ballston. And it was like it was like
Speaker 4: a chant.
Speaker 9: And and he said, y'all with me, and and and in.
Speaker 4: My mind, I'm like, but I like New Edition.
Speaker 12: But we we kind of liked him, oh well, And
Speaker 12: and we all We all said it as we left
Speaker 12: the dress room.
Speaker 9: We were just all saying it like a chant, going
Speaker 9: past the damn dress room, right up until the stage.
Speaker 4: And then he quiet us down from saying it. And
Speaker 4: I remember it like it was yesterday. It was crazy,
Speaker 4: but that was back then. Kurt's a whole different guy now.
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, of course we following suit. We did
Speaker 4: what we had to do, and that was it.
Speaker 5: And was there ever a full force new addition, wait,
Speaker 5: new audition for force collaboration?
Speaker 4: Well, on the basketball court, basically, we used to play
Speaker 4: a lot of We used to play a lot of
Speaker 4: games against them, and then after they got tired of
Speaker 4: beating us, they said to us, yo, man, since you
Speaker 4: can't beat us, we might as well join y'all. And
Speaker 4: then they became part of our celebrity basketball team that
Speaker 4: played up. Oh yeah, we played against our senior hall
Speaker 4: Denzel Washington, and there was Mike Bimins and Ronnie Debo
Speaker 4: that played with us. Oh I know, MIKEL. Knight played
Speaker 4: with us. He could bawl his ass off. Dondre Whitfield,
Speaker 4: ecstasy from Udini, may he rest in peace, Graham ask
Speaker 4: d Man. Those were our teammates.
Speaker 9: Man, and it was crazy, you know, the games we
Speaker 9: used to have against so many different people, the full
Speaker 9: Force all Stars we called ourselves.
Speaker 3: Hey, on those Curtis Blow records.
Speaker 7: Did you guys ever have any interaction or work with
Speaker 7: Larry Smith at all?
Speaker 4: Yes, the legendary Larry Smith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people that work with him direct. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Can you tell us about like his just him in
Speaker 7: general and like his his work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, Larry Man, he was a genius. You know,
Speaker 4: he played the guitar, of course, but he was just
Speaker 4: a genius songwriter and in the in the studio, he
Speaker 4: was just really a workaholic and he always wanted stuff
Speaker 4: to get right. And he was like Russell Simmons, like go.
Speaker 9: To guy, you know what I mean, a lot of
Speaker 9: times with one DMC, with Houdini, you.
Speaker 4: Know, with Curtis Blow. Larry was like a staple and
Speaker 4: he and he and he knew his music, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 9: And if and if anybody says, oh, Larry's not like that, no,
Speaker 9: it is like that.
Speaker 3: It is like that.
Speaker 9: It's always Larry's way, no matter what. And and he
Speaker 9: didn't want to hear nothing.
Speaker 4: So that's the respect you build up. So if anybody's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know Larry's doing it right,
Speaker 4: they don't say it to him. They say to themselves
Speaker 4: amongst other people think Larry's right.
Speaker 3: Why did I say, no?
Speaker 4: This is it? I'm telling you, hilarious.
Speaker 3: Guy working with quest left. Okay, I get it. Okay.
Speaker 7: Another question I've been dying to ask you.
Speaker 3: You you all right?
Speaker 7: You just gotta you just gotta come out and tell
Speaker 7: me the truth. Now I'm skipping to u TFO. Were
Speaker 7: those cuts on the Leader of the Pack and especially
Speaker 7: the fade out on rock Sande Roxanne?
Speaker 3: Were those real from doctor Ice or from from Mixed
Speaker 3: Master Ice?
Speaker 7: Or do you guys just sample come on now it's
Speaker 7: too perfect and too executed, or did you sample those
Speaker 7: sounds because.
Speaker 4: It's too perfect? Those are cuts? Those are those are
Speaker 4: Mixed Master Ice?
Speaker 9: No, for real, Seriously, I wish my brother b Pharm
Speaker 9: was here because b Fine is the one that orchestrated
Speaker 9: all of that and with mix Master, and he always
Speaker 9: told mix Master because he was definitely the first DJ
Speaker 9: in hip hop, I don't I don't know who else
Speaker 9: came before him that would play like a musical instrument
Speaker 9: when he scratched on a lot of songs. No DJs
Speaker 9: was doing that, but being that Be was a musician
Speaker 9: and he was a drummer as well, he would he
Speaker 9: orchestrated over and he arranged what mixed master would do,
Speaker 9: you know, and mixed master cutting up and scratching on
Speaker 9: on many of those songs, which a lot of DJs
Speaker 9: didn't do at the time at all.
Speaker 7: Another thing that you guys should be credited for was
Speaker 7: really the first time that we heard an actual authentic
Speaker 7: break beat on record. I mean, before then, drum machines
Speaker 7: would often or a lot of drummer if you and
Speaker 7: the sugar Hill Enjoy era, it was often the music background.
Speaker 7: But you know, the first time that I heard what
Speaker 7: we coined the term a break beat was using Billy
Speaker 7: Squire's Big Beat for the Educated Rappers versus on Roxanne Roxanne.
Speaker 7: Can you just explain that just the whole Well, first
Speaker 7: of all, even before we get to that, who taught
Speaker 7: you guys, or who do you credit as your teachers
Speaker 7: for learning how to craft songs and produce songs or
Speaker 7: was it just trialing the era all the time before?
Speaker 3: And then utfos where you perfected it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would definitely say utfos where we perfected. It
Speaker 4: was trial and era on some of the things.
Speaker 9: But once we started uh producing UTFO and I got
Speaker 9: to give like really shout out to my brother be Fine, a,
Speaker 9: Kurt Baby, Jerry, the musicians of the group and even
Speaker 9: Shy Shy, but they were the brainstorms with actually putting
Speaker 9: together the musical stuff. And you're right question and thanks
Speaker 9: thanks for that because a lot of times we don't
Speaker 9: get that credit. I mean, I'm a modest brother, but
Speaker 9: I love to get credit where credit is due, and
Speaker 9: sometimes it's not due to us. But yeah, that was
Speaker 9: like one of the first like samples heard a breakat
Speaker 9: exactly like ever in a record. And then after we
Speaker 9: did it on Rock Sande, we did it on our
Speaker 9: own song Unselfish Lover, which was the first time a
Speaker 9: breakbeat was used in a in a record, a song,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, exactly so, and so that
Speaker 9: was trial and ever, and plus we were, you know,
Speaker 9: we had the soul of hip hop anyway growing up
Speaker 9: in Brooklyn and and and performing it in Harlem and
Speaker 9: the Bronx.
Speaker 4: We were a local group and we always wanted to
Speaker 4: fuse the hip hop and R and B together and
Speaker 4: sampling the Billy Squire thing. Nobody's ever done that before.
Speaker 4: You've heard the big beat on many parties and hip
Speaker 4: hop parties and stuff like that, but never on record,
Speaker 4: you know, and that was a big thing. And and
Speaker 4: plus the fact that the late great Educator Rap had
Speaker 4: the illus rap on that whole Roxanne.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I memorized that shit before me like it was
Speaker 7: mine in the ninth grade. Well, okay, The reason why
Speaker 7: I asked that question is because mostly the stories that
Speaker 7: I hear from any luminary in the eighties when it
Speaker 7: comes to production, with the exception of Marley Maul, most
Speaker 7: of the stories I hear is that, you know, most
Speaker 7: hip hop productions of rush job. And you know, maybe
Speaker 7: a rare example like Public and Met would do pre
Speaker 7: production in a studio where they have time to be
Speaker 7: creative and time to think of new sounds and whatnot.
Speaker 7: But nine times out of ten, you're going to a studio,
Speaker 7: you got like two to three hours to figure out
Speaker 7: what you're going to do, and then it's.
Speaker 3: A rush job and you're out of there.
Speaker 7: But that song's pretty I mean, your production, no matter
Speaker 7: how sparse it was, was fairly intricate, So I would
Speaker 7: I would figure that it would take more than just
Speaker 7: two to three hours to slap something together.
Speaker 3: So like, yes, what was the.
Speaker 7: The production process, Like as far as you guys coming
Speaker 7: up with ideas and you know, you guys infuse like
Speaker 7: humor and skits and all these things that I figured
Speaker 7: would take at least five to seven hours to to
Speaker 7: sort of come up with. But in that time period,
Speaker 7: did you guys have the time in the studio to
Speaker 7: do those things?
Speaker 9: Or Yeah, when we was in the studio, we would
Speaker 9: do a lot of like like you know, like you'd
Speaker 9: call it like like if you're acting, you do dress rehearsal,
Speaker 9: or you would do rehearsing. We would go in the
Speaker 9: studio and not necessarily make the final recording of the joint.
Speaker 9: We would do all of our ideas, then come up
Speaker 9: with the ideas, and then after we finish.
Speaker 4: Okay, y'all, well, just we'll be back here tomorrow to
Speaker 4: finish it off. So it was never a rush thing
Speaker 4: with us.
Speaker 9: We definitely took our time with all the songs and
Speaker 9: the intricacies of it, and we'd plan and sometimes we
Speaker 9: get the ideas right then and there amongst ourselves.
Speaker 4: But a lot of times.
Speaker 9: Things could be pre planned as well, but by getting
Speaker 9: them in the studio first and foremost.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, what should also be noted?
Speaker 7: And I think a person had to been alive at
Speaker 7: the time, So I will say that probably one of
Speaker 7: the very first instances of what we'll say is is
Speaker 7: pre viral culture. Now, of course you know when something's done,
Speaker 7: it can go viral instantly and spread in milliseconds. But
Speaker 7: to be alive at the time when Roxanne Roxanne was out, Oh, thank.
Speaker 5: You for talking about this.
Speaker 6: I was waiting for this because yeah.
Speaker 7: Like it was just it was just one of the
Speaker 7: it was well, yeah, exactly like you were sixteen at
Speaker 7: the time it came out.
Speaker 5: I just I was like, who is the real Rockstan?
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's too confused.
Speaker 7: Well, one one I want to know is who who
Speaker 7: who was the conceptualizer of Roxanne Roxane? How did you
Speaker 7: get pair with UTFO and how much control did you
Speaker 7: guys have over the entire Roxanne phenomenon, because there were
Speaker 7: there were at least nine to eleven answer records of
Speaker 7: various Roxannes doctor Roxanne's kind of collogists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me tell.
Speaker 2: Me it was a man.
Speaker 3: There is every every sort of record.
Speaker 4: Well there was no rock stands, a guy in the
Speaker 4: College's quest.
Speaker 3: Well it was a lot.
Speaker 4: Right, You are right, my brother. There was actually.
Speaker 9: Twenty five over twenty five answer back records to so.
Speaker 3: So it started the first this crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 9: So what happened was with utfoll in the beginning, My my,
Speaker 9: what happened is that how they formed first is that
Speaker 9: there's there's four members of UTF of course, Sir Doctor Ice,
Speaker 9: Kango Kid, the Educated Rapper, May Rescue Peace and mixed
Speaker 9: mass of Ice to DJ. So what happened is that
Speaker 9: my brother B was going was going to uh going
Speaker 9: to to a to a junior high.
Speaker 4: School because he was in high school. And he was
Speaker 4: going there because somebody was messing around with his girlfriend
Speaker 4: at the time. Somebody was like bothering her and teasing
Speaker 4: her and everything, and it was Kango Kid. Okay, so
Speaker 4: Mike cues of coach Jam knew Kango Kid, and she
Speaker 4: kept complaining to my brother B, fun you this guy
Speaker 4: keep bothering me, picking at me and bothering me. He said, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going up to school. I'm gonna fuck him up.
Speaker 4: I'm just going up to your school. We're just going
Speaker 4: bus his ass, see, Okay, So he talked to Mike.
Speaker 9: He was a coach Jam because just before Mike became
Speaker 9: a coach JAM And Mike said, yeah, I know. I
Speaker 9: know Kango, whose real name is Sean for queer, so
Speaker 9: I know him. So yeah, I want you to take
Speaker 9: me to him now, I want to see him.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 9: Took him to the school and he was going there
Speaker 9: to literally getting Kango's face and busses ass for messing
Speaker 9: with his girl. So what happened is that Mike said, oh,
Speaker 9: he's right there, So he pointed to Kango, and Kango
Speaker 9: was on stage during a talent show an auditorium and
Speaker 9: he was dancing. He was popped, locking and killing it,
Speaker 9: and my brother b was looking like in amazement, exactly.
Speaker 9: All right, Mike, Man, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: Man, I kind of see enough. Just tell him. Tell
Speaker 4: him first of all that I came the buses ass,
Speaker 4: but he can. He's dancing real good, So I want
Speaker 4: to talk to him.
Speaker 9: So you get his number, give my number and we'll connect,
Speaker 9: all right, And then my brother be just left.
Speaker 4: He left, and Mike cues told Kango when he was
Speaker 4: finishing everything and came back, he said, Yo, man, did
Speaker 4: you see the guy that was next to me, you
Speaker 4: know there standing at me. Yeah, it's a big nigga.
Speaker 4: Many's that's so. Yeah, man, he came here to kick
Speaker 4: your ass.
Speaker 9: That's a boy, that's a men's boyfriend, and he came
Speaker 9: here to bust your ass. He said, word, yeah, word,
Speaker 9: But you danced real good.
Speaker 4: So he wants to have a meeting.
Speaker 9: He wants to have a meeting with you. That's what happened.
Speaker 9: We met with Kango brought in Doctor Ice. They danced
Speaker 9: for us because we used to do local shows and
Speaker 9: they did. They would have They were like the first
Speaker 9: one to do all the pop a lot because remember
Speaker 9: remember when the hip hop started and they used to
Speaker 9: always have dancers on the stage with them.
Speaker 4: All the rappers would have dances. Kango Kid and Doctor
Speaker 4: Ice was the first dancers to dance for a rap group,
Speaker 4: which was Houdini. They were the first ones.
Speaker 9: But they started with us dancing on our shows and
Speaker 9: we would bring them on ahead of y'all and and
Speaker 9: we was impressed with them.
Speaker 4: And then b said you know, and then can't said,
Speaker 4: yo be you know, we could rap.
Speaker 9: Also so Ya could rap said, yeah, they got educated
Speaker 9: rapper and they formed the Raptriot.
Speaker 4: They came. They kind of.
Speaker 9: Auditioned for b he says, Yo man, y'all are dope.
Speaker 9: And then they got mixed mass of ice and made
Speaker 9: them a group. And then Steve Salem may he rest
Speaker 9: in peace. Steve Salem who went to college with me.
Speaker 9: He was our co manager. He's the one that took
Speaker 9: us and the group to select records. Who was never
Speaker 9: a hip hop label at the time. They just was
Speaker 9: a regular label. And we went there to record records
Speaker 9: because if it wasn't for Steve Salem, we would never
Speaker 9: be writers and produce.
Speaker 4: Since we was only looking for.
Speaker 9: A deal for Full Forces to performance. I didn't give
Speaker 9: a shit about writing and producing for other people. I
Speaker 9: just didn't, and I'm glad I was voted out. But
Speaker 9: Steve Salem said, listen, if you guys, because we was
Speaker 9: getting our demos turned down, left them right anyway. He said,
Speaker 9: I think if you guys write and produce for other people,
Speaker 9: I think then Full Force would get a deal of
Speaker 9: its own. This was his gut and he was right
Speaker 9: because the first production was UTFO.
Speaker 4: Then Lisa Lisa and coach jam Real rock Sand and
Speaker 4: then we got our deal. But the rock Sand rock
Speaker 4: Sande they became. And here's the thing. We had a
Speaker 4: song for hanging out.
Speaker 9: That's that's supposed to be the A side, right single.
Speaker 9: But my brother B just woke up and he said, yo, man,
Speaker 9: I came up with an idea, a concept, and let's
Speaker 9: just put it on the B side.
Speaker 4: It was like a throwaway idea.
Speaker 9: And he's the one I said, I would have called
Speaker 9: rock San rock Sand. He just picked the name because
Speaker 9: he liked the name. He said it worked for the police.
Speaker 9: He went to UTFO he said, Yo, we're gonna do
Speaker 9: a B side. We're gonna call it rock Stane, rock Sande.
Speaker 9: Here's the concept I want you guys to be. You
Speaker 9: guys are gonna be uh fighting over a girl and
Speaker 9: none of y'all will get the girl because you know,
Speaker 9: back in those times, you know all the rappers got
Speaker 9: the girl. My brother said, it's going to be nobody
Speaker 9: gets the girl and each of y'all come up with
Speaker 9: your own rap. What was so dope about the song
Speaker 9: is that be also came up with the concept, which
Speaker 9: was never done on record before.
Speaker 4: Each rapper had their own separate beat.
Speaker 9: The rapper had big beat and Kango had his own beat.
Speaker 9: Doctor of his own beat that we that full force created,
Speaker 9: of course, except for the big beat.
Speaker 4: Actually Kango mightangle might have created his own beat as well.
Speaker 4: But that's how that record was warm and it was
Speaker 4: just a throwaway record to be on the B side.
Speaker 4: And what happened is that even though we was promoting
Speaker 4: hanging Out, all of a sudden, here comes this DJ
Speaker 4: from New York City playing the wrong side, which were
Speaker 4: at the time, and it was DJ Red Alert playing
Speaker 4: playing Playing, Playing rock Sand Rock Sand, and we were pissed.
Speaker 4: Could you believe that? We got upset in the beginning,
Speaker 4: and we called Red at his house and we're like,
Speaker 4: you're Red and we woke them up. Yeah, what yo,
Speaker 4: you're playing the wrong side. Don't play that. You gotta
Speaker 4: play the A side.
Speaker 9: The A side is hanging out, said yo, man, I
Speaker 9: like the B side, I know, but that's not the
Speaker 9: A side.
Speaker 4: Well it should be nast I playing the B side.
Speaker 5: And the radio DJ was born, thank you on.
Speaker 9: The side and he stuck to that. The radio station
Speaker 9: let him do it. And let me tell you something,
Speaker 9: that song caught on like Wildfire before all the Answer
Speaker 9: Back records.
Speaker 4: That song was just huge. It was big, it was.
Speaker 9: It was in top ten Billboard magazine and the R
Speaker 9: and B charts, one on the rap charts.
Speaker 4: So we were blown away. And then after the hot,
Speaker 4: after the success and was doing great, along comes this fourteen,
Speaker 4: thirteen year old Brett rock Sales revenge.
Speaker 5: So she was after See that's why I was always confused.
Speaker 9: Okay, so that's why they called it rock Sands.
Speaker 5: Revenge done all right, d I was five blue, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 7: There's a one to the left of that five. You're
Speaker 7: fifteen anyway. The magic the magic of Rocks, you're right,
Speaker 7: the Magic of Roxanne. Roxanne was also members the first
Speaker 7: self deprecating song, so you know it showed it kind
Speaker 7: of put hip hop in a everyman position, like, oh.
Speaker 3: That could happen to me. That always happens to me.
Speaker 7: I get rejected by a girl, right and you know,
Speaker 7: you know what it's hit me right now. When Rick
Speaker 7: Rubin was on our episode, I gave him credit for
Speaker 7: sort of helming the song format in hip hop. But
Speaker 7: it just hit me that you got that Utfo's album
Speaker 7: predated LL's Radio, which it was unheard of at the
Speaker 7: time for a hip hop song to be under five minutes,
Speaker 7: because you know, in the era of sugar Hill and
Speaker 7: club records and they're not being a lot of hip
Speaker 7: hop records, you would make them as long as possible
Speaker 7: so that you can keep the party going. But I mean,
Speaker 7: at the time, did you guys think that you were
Speaker 7: doing something revolutionary by making these you know, sixteen bar
Speaker 7: maybe twenty four bar versus with a chorus and a
Speaker 7: second verse and a third verse, which was absolutely unheard
Speaker 7: of then, Like even a radio song like the Message
Speaker 7: and it's like that, but I Run DMC was like
Speaker 7: seven minutes and fifty seconds. But damn, these songs were
Speaker 7: one of the very first single length hits.
Speaker 3: Like was that a conscious decision?
Speaker 4: That was a.
Speaker 9: Conscious decision because you know, we always invogued our so
Speaker 9: in it, so like if you have a rock Sand
Speaker 9: Rock Sanne song, we would do the full force harmonies
Speaker 9: Roxanne ro Sand. We always wanted to throw a singing
Speaker 9: in a lot of the records, and we always made it,
Speaker 9: like you said, uh, not to be so super long
Speaker 9: because and we was wrong with the super long songs
Speaker 9: like the Message and everything like that.
Speaker 4: But we was consciously making it so it could be uh, you.
Speaker 9: Know, digestible, especially because we loved hearing the song on
Speaker 9: regular commercial radio as well, because the hip hop stations
Speaker 9: played anything, even it was ten minutes. He was conscious
Speaker 9: of that for all the different songs, especially that first
Speaker 9: album you know, and and Kango Kid was we call
Speaker 9: him like a disciple of ours so much because he
Speaker 9: loved the production and stuff. He came up with that
Speaker 9: idea to fairy Tale level, which was the first time
Speaker 9: a rap group.
Speaker 4: Sang sang.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we did the backgrounds and the music, but Kango
Speaker 9: sang Doc sang even educated rappers sang on their mixed mass,
Speaker 9: but they did.
Speaker 4: And they used to perform that song.
Speaker 9: On tour and place would go crazy because they went
Speaker 9: on to new edition that was big.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was bigger than is this the end? Like
Speaker 7: that shit super big. Wait, it just hit me. There's
Speaker 7: there's a lot of firsts in your career, and it
Speaker 7: just hit me that you guys were also one of
Speaker 7: the first production teams to self promote if you will.
Speaker 7: People often credited to Puffy to self promote, but you know,
Speaker 7: the tag full force, get busy one time like that
Speaker 7: that could have been the very first hashtag.
Speaker 3: Whose idea was it?
Speaker 7: To always you guys were always spicing up all of
Speaker 7: your productions with your your your production tag, like your
Speaker 7: own commercial.
Speaker 3: Whose idea was that?
Speaker 9: I mean, I would have to say that was all
Speaker 9: about ideas. I mean, and you're right question, thanks a lot, man,
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 4: Wow, you're right.
Speaker 9: We did that on our own because we knew, like
Speaker 9: back in the day, a lot of producers, you know,
Speaker 9: before us, I would say, Terry and Jimmy, they started
Speaker 9: getting ood already they had their own style to just
Speaker 9: the address. But we said, you know, we want to
Speaker 9: make sure the producers get props in these and in.
Speaker 4: These songs like us.
Speaker 9: So we would be like Alfred Hitchcock on a lot
Speaker 9: of our own productions, you know, Albert Hitchcock. Yes, so unders,
Speaker 9: but we'd make ourselves assuming, you know, and we would
Speaker 9: give give those tags like full force get busy when
Speaker 9: the time was the idea of Paul Anthony, first time
Speaker 9: anybody said get busy.
Speaker 4: And I'll never forget.
Speaker 9: We went to a new addition, not new addition, new
Speaker 9: kids on the Block concert.
Speaker 4: They were such big fans of ours, and we was
Speaker 4: like on the backstage and and we was not backstage.
Speaker 9: It was like on the side stage because Maurice Star
Speaker 9: came and put us on the side.
Speaker 4: And then they was the new kids were black kept
Speaker 4: looking at us to the side. And then Donnie Wahlberg,
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this.
Speaker 9: He just stopped after after this last song, and he said,
Speaker 9: you know, I just want to make mention here. There's
Speaker 9: a bunch of guys is here right now that we
Speaker 9: look up to because in Boston the biggest Full Force
Speaker 9: record at the time was Unselfish Lover that we did
Speaker 9: right and and and he said to the crowd, all
Speaker 9: those all those white girls and white white what he
Speaker 9: said to them, there's some guys in this business now,
Speaker 9: y'all might hear our senior Hall say let's get busy.
Speaker 4: But let me tell you who coined that frame exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he said this.
Speaker 9: He said, it's a bunch of guys. They go by
Speaker 9: the name of Full Force. And we got some of
Speaker 9: the members here right now. And I want y'all to
Speaker 9: give a big rousing No, he said, I want you
Speaker 9: guys to repeat after me and say this loud.
Speaker 4: I want y'all to.
Speaker 9: Say, full Force get busy one time and I'm gonna
Speaker 9: bring them out.
Speaker 4: You all ready, here we go.
Speaker 9: And they said it loud on these white kids, and
Speaker 9: it's crazy. And here we all walking on stay. They
Speaker 9: didn't never knew us from and they clapping and screaming
Speaker 9: for us.
Speaker 4: And Donnie's hugging us.
Speaker 9: That was our first time meeting, meeting new kids hugging us,
Speaker 9: hugging us, and and he said, these are the guys
Speaker 9: that corner phrase.
Speaker 4: These guys are popular producers.
Speaker 9: And he was basically doing like a bio giving us
Speaker 9: flowers there on that stage. And then and then we
Speaker 9: then he said, okay, now we're gonna close it out, y'all.
Speaker 4: Y'all, y'all remember the song. Y'all know the hook? Y'all
Speaker 4: remember the hook? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 9: Then we all on stage doing that, bringing the hook
Speaker 9: with new kids on the block because they were fans
Speaker 9: of ours, with the whole self promotion. And you're right,
Speaker 9: we said, full force, get busy one time on the
Speaker 9: song unfaithful, don't even.
Speaker 4: Try it, full force, don't buy it.
Speaker 9: A lot of our records, like on Temporary Love Thing
Speaker 9: before it over, I go it shure us.
Speaker 4: My name is bow Legged Lou. I'm bah bah bah
Speaker 4: and we would do the B sides quest like we
Speaker 4: used to do.
Speaker 9: Skits on the side. We were doing skits before Daylight Soul.
Speaker 9: I know I and I made it in.
Speaker 4: Theater, but I would have my fun on the east side.
Speaker 4: So we would do song like Unselfish Lover, and on
Speaker 4: the B side we go, it's okay, It's okay. It
Speaker 4: was like a whole.
Speaker 9: Skit, and and we said our names and everything and
Speaker 9: just let you know that we wanted to make sure
Speaker 9: we got our credit as producers as well.
Speaker 4: When we did the first Lisa Lisa song, I Wonder
Speaker 4: If I Take You Home, we made a conscious decision.
Speaker 4: I said, listen, guys, we're singing on this. We're doing
Speaker 4: the background vocals, we're doing the music.
Speaker 9: So just for the first album and the first single,
Speaker 9: it's not going to be Lisa, Lisa and Cold Jam. No,
Speaker 9: it's going to be Lisa, Lisa and Coach Jam with them.
Speaker 3: I have a question to ask you. I have a question.
Speaker 7: Okay, the whole world, of course, Love Supremes knows that
Speaker 7: I am the the authority on everything Soul Trained. So
Speaker 7: I have this question to ask you the very first
Speaker 7: time you guys, Well, first of all, I would assume
Speaker 7: that in eighty five, appearing on Soul Train would have
Speaker 7: been like a major bucket list moment, and based on
Speaker 7: the relationship that you and the camaraderie that you guys
Speaker 7: had with Don Cornelius on the show, that that meant
Speaker 7: something to you. But I always wanted to know the
Speaker 7: very first time that you guys appeared on Soul Train,
Speaker 7: you guys were never announced by sib McCoy on the
Speaker 7: top of the show. You kind of just came in
Speaker 7: as special guests. This is when you guys, did I
Speaker 7: believe Alice? You did Alice the first time and you
Speaker 7: weren't credit? Were you guys ever disappointed? Do you know
Speaker 7: what I mean by announce? You know the top of
Speaker 7: the show when sim McCoy announces Soul Trained, the Hippis
Speaker 7: Trip in the America with guest starts full fourth and
Speaker 7: the Soul Trade Dancers. I always wonder why they never
Speaker 7: had you guys at the top of the show, like
Speaker 7: you guys were just announced as as a matter of fact.
Speaker 7: But I always wanted to know, did you Were you
Speaker 7: guys even aware of that or well I.
Speaker 9: Wasn't aware, but the first time, but now the first
Speaker 9: time we performed as Full Force, the group by ourselves,
Speaker 9: we did Unselfished.
Speaker 3: Lover and then doing the interview exactly. That was one
Speaker 3: of my favorite moments ever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Dona tried to stop it after a while,
Speaker 4: but then we ended it because he kept saying all right,
Speaker 4: all right, and everybody was cool with that.
Speaker 9: But before that, and I think they announced us at
Speaker 9: the top of the show for that particular show, but
Speaker 9: before Unselfished Lover by Full Force.
Speaker 4: The first time we appeared on there was with Lisa, Lisa,
Speaker 4: me and Paul and we performed all Yeah. That was
Speaker 4: the very first time it was on Soultrae. I don't
Speaker 4: think we were announced, and I think was just.
Speaker 7: Even then, you weren't announced at the top, right, just
Speaker 7: not even coached him.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, you're the only artist I know
Speaker 7: whose first two appearances on Soul Train were never announced
Speaker 7: by sim McCoy. I consider an honor, at least if
Speaker 7: I were making music at the time that if Sid
Speaker 7: McCoy says your name with this golden voice, that's sort
Speaker 7: of like that's the thumbs up thing. And you guys
Speaker 7: didn't get that moment until your third time on the
Speaker 7: show when you guys were promoting a Guess Who's coming
Speaker 7: to the crib and love us for suckers and all that.
Speaker 6: But I just want to go back because you mentioned
Speaker 6: this real fast. But I'm trying to figure out how
Speaker 6: you had the time because you said you met Steve
Speaker 6: in college and you were you were a theater major.
Speaker 5: When what school? And talk can you just talk about
Speaker 5: like being a theater major and what that did for
Speaker 5: the crime.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I went to Kingsburg Community College for two years,
Speaker 9: Brooklyn College for the other two years, and a major
Speaker 9: in theater.
Speaker 4: Because it's a teacher of minds high school.
Speaker 9: Nay Miss McKinley, she like really inspired me to do acting,
Speaker 9: and I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Was always crazy and it's still crazy to this day.
Speaker 4: And I always loved the acting.
Speaker 9: And when I major in theater, it was a big
Speaker 9: deal because it was a predominantly white school and they
Speaker 9: were so serious with all their productions, and I was
Speaker 9: in every one of their productions.
Speaker 13: Even plays that I hated, like Medea and Shakespeare Young,
Speaker 13: but I still wanted to be on stage and audition
Speaker 13: for every play and that's what I did, and I
Speaker 13: brought that and before that, I used to do little
Speaker 13: plays with my brothers in our home and the audience
Speaker 13: used to be family members like my mother followed.
Speaker 9: We do little plays that I would write, just bullshit plays,
Speaker 9: nothing big, and then.
Speaker 4: We do this, do that, and my brothers hated it,
Speaker 4: but they still did it. And we were young, and
Speaker 4: that's where our chemistry grew, the three of us to
Speaker 4: have the chemistry to go on and pursue what we
Speaker 4: were doing, you know. But of course I want to
Speaker 4: go back what you said about Don Corneus. I know
Speaker 4: that you are such a soul, trained a fiction scenario
Speaker 4: and educated, and I heard you was gonna do something
Speaker 4: on Broadway. Please put me down even from the usher
Speaker 4: in there, I don't care because I when I tell you,
Speaker 4: I love with my.
Speaker 9: Heart Don Corneus as a man, as a person, and
Speaker 9: I just love him and I'll never forget how, you know,
Speaker 9: I had his home number sell and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 9: Don Corneas, and then meeting him for the first time,
Speaker 9: and then we developed the chemistry that you could even
Speaker 9: see whenever we would come there.
Speaker 4: He would like any groups that we managed, like Cheryl Pepsi,
Speaker 4: Riley or the girl group Ex Girlfriend.
Speaker 9: He would always want to announce us to come on
Speaker 9: stage to like sort of take a bow or something
Speaker 9: like that after he finished interviewing them. Or sometimes I'll
Speaker 9: call him on his birthday, like I call people on
Speaker 9: their birthdays forever you do.
Speaker 4: I called people on their birthday just to say happy birthday.
Speaker 4: This is way before Facebook and social media. I got
Speaker 4: my old school calendar people's birthdays and I called him
Speaker 4: up and Don Corneis I always used to do that
Speaker 4: through the ups and the downs with people. I don't
Speaker 4: I don't care where they are in their career whatever.
Speaker 4: I just always like to reach out. And with Don Carneus, Man,
Speaker 4: it was just such a great thing to do. I'm
Speaker 4: able to get my ex girl, my ex my girlfriend
Speaker 4: at the time, she was doing a project on Soul Train,
Speaker 4: and I got her to interview Don on the phone
Speaker 4: just for her, and he did that for me.
Speaker 5: You know, he did your unsung that's rare too.
Speaker 14: Along with Questlove who before meeting Quest, we just met,
Speaker 14: like he said, through the social media thing, and I
Speaker 14: reached out to him and asked.
Speaker 9: Would he be a part of our unsung man and
Speaker 9: Quest I'll never forget how you said, oh hell yeah, man,
Speaker 9: And you was just so great on the show. You
Speaker 9: gave us great props. And I'll never forget that, man.
Speaker 9: Doc Coneis never did Unsung ever. And keep in mind,
Speaker 9: when people did that show, a lot of their film,
Speaker 9: a lot of their clips from their performances used.
Speaker 4: To be them performing on so and so the ojas George,
Speaker 4: and they always wanted to get him, but he never
Speaker 4: never did it. I said, I would love to get
Speaker 4: Doc Corneius. They said, oh, he doesn't need to do it.
Speaker 9: We asked him all the time. He always says no,
Speaker 9: he doesn't care. I said, well, let me ask him. Well, well,
Speaker 9: we're not going to give you his number.
Speaker 4: I said, I gotta let me see if you do
Speaker 4: it for us. And I called him.
Speaker 9: Up and he said, all right, they've been asking me
Speaker 9: so many times, man, but you know.
Speaker 4: If I got to do it for somebody, I owe them.
Speaker 4: I got to do somebody to do. I'm going to
Speaker 4: do it for you, man, I'm going to do it
Speaker 4: for full force.
Speaker 9: And that was his last televised anything on on TV.
Speaker 9: And I have I have all the other footage because
Speaker 9: he was on much longer than what they edited, like
Speaker 9: maybe two or three bites. But I have the whole
Speaker 9: thing we've been talking about us and and he was
Speaker 9: supposed to come to the screening of that unsung episode
Speaker 9: in La he bought he got tickets, I mean not tickets,
Speaker 9: but he was going to be at a table and
Speaker 9: he didn't come for some reason.
Speaker 4: And then two days later, Wow, really blew me away.
Speaker 4: I was crying, man, like a baby. I was on
Speaker 4: the phone with Lee Bailey doing an interview with him,
Speaker 4: crying like a baby. Man.
Speaker 9: And we presented a plaque for Docreneers even though he
Speaker 9: wasn't there because we didn't know why he's lived, but
Speaker 9: we did a special dedication plaque for him there.
Speaker 4: I said, Donna's not here, but we want to do
Speaker 4: a special tribute for him. And I ended up.
Speaker 9: Giving the plaque to a Tony at Don's funeral. Great
Speaker 9: great man, great man, doctor soul train whatever, come on?
Speaker 4: Question? You know it was?
Speaker 5: It's the proper tarma Miras. Let Lou know you're a
Speaker 5: sole train of file. What's it called.
Speaker 3: Train of file? That doesn't sound right?
Speaker 15: Yeah, anyway, I'll say that, Uh, probably the other artist
Speaker 15: I've been dying an interview on the show, just so
Speaker 15: I can ask her this question.
Speaker 7: Is Uh, probably the artist that you've had the best
Speaker 7: success with. Did Lisa Lisa ever tell you what her
Speaker 7: first thoughts were when she auditioned for you guys?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was afraid.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, what was.
Speaker 7: The whole situation of you guys discovering Lisa Lisa and
Speaker 7: her coming to audition for you?
Speaker 3: How did you discover?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, my brother be Fine. He came up with
Speaker 4: the song I Wonder If I Take You Home? You know,
Speaker 4: he wrote the lyrics. I mean we added the little
Speaker 4: extra stuff with the arrangements and the vocals and stuff.
Speaker 4: But B came up with the concept.
Speaker 9: He wrote the lyrics, South Kurt Jerry, They all pitched
Speaker 9: in musically and everything like that.
Speaker 4: But it was Bee's Baby and.
Speaker 9: Now Be when he did that song and he did
Speaker 9: the reference vocal to it, which is horrible, but he
Speaker 9: did it anyway, I think so so horrible. But with that,
Speaker 9: with that song, it was so catchy and this was
Speaker 9: app This was like right after literally rock Sanne Roxanne
Speaker 9: started doing what it's doing. We was already craft in
Speaker 9: that so B wanted, no matter what, he wanted a
Speaker 9: Hispanic girl to sing that song. No black girl, just
Speaker 9: Hispanic I wanted a black girl to do it because
Speaker 9: Shoe Pepsi Riley at the time was my dear friend
Speaker 9: and I was in love with a voice, so I
Speaker 9: let her hear the demo would be bad singing on it.
Speaker 9: I said, listen, b wants a Spanish go do this,
Speaker 9: but I want you to do it. I want to
Speaker 9: sneak you in the studio and have you sing it
Speaker 9: and then surprise be. But she didn't like the song.
Speaker 9: She said she was loyal to a group at the time.
Speaker 9: But I remember playing it for her and her husband,
Speaker 9: and yeah, I don't think they liked it.
Speaker 4: But anyway, we wouldn't have heard.
Speaker 9: Anyway, he wouldn't have a kid. He wanted a Spanish
Speaker 9: girl to do it. So Mike cues it was auditioning girls.
Speaker 9: So Mike Houston coach jam He's the one that brought
Speaker 9: Lisa to us because they used to she was at
Speaker 9: the Funhouse, the Funhouse club in Manhattan where Madonna used
Speaker 9: to go to all the time. Lisa would be their
Speaker 9: partying and Lisa was young at the time, but Mike
Speaker 9: would see her there.
Speaker 4: I think she was seventeen or something like that, and.
Speaker 9: She he brought her to our basement in Brooklyn, so
Speaker 9: we could hear if she could sing.
Speaker 4: We loved her look automatically as soon as we saw her,
Speaker 4: we went, wow, I hope she could sing even a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 6: Her face and everything else, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And she was Hispanic.
Speaker 9: So at that time, there was no there's no Spanish
Speaker 9: because there's no Puerto Ricans of Spanish girls doing doing
Speaker 9: anything and resembling dance, R and B and hip hop combo.
Speaker 6: No not, that's before Gloria, right, That's what I didn't
Speaker 6: realize this more Glori.
Speaker 4: This was camera. This was before j Lowell. This is
Speaker 4: for Ricky Martin, before any Spanish person.
Speaker 3: Was was was what we know as freestyle?
Speaker 2: Freestyle?
Speaker 7: Was that was that on you guys's mind at the time,
Speaker 7: because I mean the only person I could tell that
Speaker 7: was like even trying to touch that was maybe Jellybean
Speaker 7: Benitez maybe like yeah, I mean, Shannon was sort of
Speaker 7: going there. But freestyle wasn't a defined genre. But were
Speaker 7: you guys trying to figure out how to corner that
Speaker 7: market or did you know that if you found someone
Speaker 7: of that level it could be big for the Latin
Speaker 7: LATINX market?
Speaker 9: Well, you know something that wasn't even bees reasoning. I
Speaker 9: didn't even hear the word freestyle until after we did Lisa.
Speaker 9: I mean, Shannon kind of did let the music play,
Speaker 9: and and b disclosed to me actually today that him,
Speaker 9: Curt and Jerry used to be in basement and they
Speaker 9: loved the sounds of John Roby and what's John Roby's
Speaker 9: other partner.
Speaker 4: That was author Baker, Arthur Baker.
Speaker 16: Yeah, they love those type of records and they would
Speaker 16: trying to emulate those type of records.
Speaker 4: So Shannon, who I think they let the music play.
Speaker 4: It wasn't called freestyle when she did it. And I'm
Speaker 4: thinking because she was black, because it wasn't until we
Speaker 4: did Lisa Lisa.
Speaker 9: Then other Spanish and Hispanic started popping out of nowhere,
Speaker 9: and that's where they coined the frame freestyle.
Speaker 5: So what made something freestyle?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I like, I'm in elementary school.
Speaker 7: What you know the sound of Stevie b Like, imagine
Speaker 7: the sound of like Planet rock, like.
Speaker 2: Not as fast, not quite as fast.
Speaker 7: It would be like New Jack swing, like adding are
Speaker 7: aren't adding sung vocals to a track that's break danceable?
Speaker 5: Okay, okay that the music play that.
Speaker 2: The music play is definitely it falls in that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let the music play kind of falls in
Speaker 4: that way.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, we like the sound, the sound of man tronics,
Speaker 7: the sound of the Latin rascals. Yeah, but all but
Speaker 7: Spanish was doing it.
Speaker 4: They weren't doing it at that time, you know, they
Speaker 4: weren't just doing it at the time. But when we
Speaker 4: brought out Lisa what can you feel the beat? And
Speaker 4: can you feel the beat?
Speaker 9: Yeah, everybody started calling a freestyle and then you had
Speaker 9: people like Expose and all talking about and they called
Speaker 9: it freestyle because of the Spanish market, because of the
Speaker 9: Spanish artists.
Speaker 4: That's what we called.
Speaker 17: We started off with Lisa and b and and when
Speaker 17: Lisa came to audition to sing, she started singing songs
Speaker 17: that Mike choose from coach Jim wrote.
Speaker 4: So she was singing at a papella and they were hard.
Speaker 4: You know, Mike Cues was right that she was singing
Speaker 4: songs like to Dance and tune to Dance and we're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's horrible and it made us sound
Speaker 4: kind of shitty because of his songs.
Speaker 9: So so before she left, because we're like, oh, man,
Speaker 9: i don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 4: Before she left, because we loved her look so much,
Speaker 4: Paul said, listen, Lisa, before you leave, can you sing
Speaker 4: us something that's more familiar, because all she was singing
Speaker 4: was Mike Cues' original corny songs, right that he knows that.
Speaker 4: So Lisa sang for us for Your Eyes Only by
Speaker 4: Sheena Easton and that's that's right. I know that song
Speaker 4: and that's all and that's all she wrote. And we
Speaker 4: did I wonder if I take you home with Lisa,
Speaker 4: And b was always to the fact that he didn't
Speaker 4: want Lisa to sound he didn't want whoever was gonna
Speaker 4: sing it. He didn't want like a pallor.
Speaker 5: That's why went to work.
Speaker 3: Yes, just.
Speaker 9: Other young girls, especially Hispanic girls, when they could sing alone, A.
Speaker 3: Girl next door, girl next door, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Exactly, And that was that was the genius of that.
Speaker 9: And when that song came out, it was crazy because
Speaker 9: we took it to an independent label who was doing
Speaker 9: a deal with Columbia Records Personal Records, which was run
Speaker 9: by Jurgen Jurgen k and Don Ariolo.
Speaker 4: And I remember Steve Salem and he rest in peace,
Speaker 4: and my brother be fine. And went there.
Speaker 9: They loved the song, but they wanted another singer. I
Speaker 9: think Jurgan's wife.
Speaker 4: What's her name? I forgot, but they wanted another singer,
Speaker 4: so so Be thought about it and and Steve and
Speaker 4: they said that we'll pass. And they said really, and
Speaker 4: we're here. Rape they give you like a little deal
Speaker 4: that we'll pass. And then they called the very next day,
Speaker 4: all right, we'll do it with Lisa, And that record
Speaker 4: appeared on a COMPI Lake Ship, which had songs like
Speaker 4: Buffalo Gal by Malcolm McClaren. Yeah, and that was the
Speaker 4: only new song on day. I wonder if I take
Speaker 4: you home, and let me tell you, that song took off,
Speaker 4: like wow. It blew us away because we were we
Speaker 4: were in England working with Samantha Fox. When we came
Speaker 4: back to New York, they were playing that ship in
Speaker 4: the clubs. I'm like, wait a minute, where did y'all
Speaker 4: get this? I'm like it was it was. It was
Speaker 4: ridiculous how that song just took off, you know, And
Speaker 4: and it took us so much from a compilation album
Speaker 4: that we were rushed to. The album was ready, but
Speaker 4: we just didn't finish the damn record. We had to
Speaker 4: hurry up and and do the album which we which
Speaker 4: we which we didn't finish, you know, but really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. Wall. There's another question I have.
Speaker 7: Were you guys ever involved with little Tony Marsh Because
Speaker 7: in Phil her video Burnout song was like a heavily
Speaker 7: heavily played. It was heavily played like on our station
Speaker 7: Power ninety nine. And I know that like she was
Speaker 7: on that. I found someone for me sketch like she
Speaker 7: would do sketches with Lisa and whatnot. But did you
Speaker 7: guys ever produce little Tony Marsh as well?
Speaker 4: Or wow, she would She would love to hear you
Speaker 4: just say that, But dude.
Speaker 3: I lost my mind.
Speaker 7: I saw a posts from Lisa on IG and I
Speaker 7: happened to look at one of the comments and it
Speaker 7: wasn't Tony Marsh, but it was enough to make me.
Speaker 7: When I clicked and I saw the face, I was like,
Speaker 7: wait a minute, is this actual Tony Marsh? Like I
Speaker 7: lost my I didn't see the response, if she responded
Speaker 7: or not, but no, I definitely know who Marsh.
Speaker 9: Little little Tony Marsh is now going by the name
Speaker 9: of Tony Minaj and she is the she. Now wait
Speaker 9: the yeah, dad, that's what she closed us up, Tony Minaj,
Speaker 9: but she spells it differently m E N E.
Speaker 4: G E and she's let me tell you something.
Speaker 9: She is such a talented, talented singer, performer, She's incredible.
Speaker 4: She blew me away. I was so surprised. But she's
Speaker 4: now the personal manager for Lisa Lisa what yes? Now?
Speaker 9: Yeah, because because what happens that Lisa was managed by
Speaker 9: this other girl, this other woman named Stephanie.
Speaker 4: Makes she rest in peace. But Stephanie was sort of
Speaker 4: a she blocked a lot of things. She for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: she didn't have much love for full force and whatever.
Speaker 4: Because we used to manage Lisa when Lisa was with us,
Speaker 4: we brought it ways amicably, like we're part of ways
Speaker 4: amicley with all our artists. But Tony Marsh was.
Speaker 16: A background singer for Lisa on first tour and that's
Speaker 16: how we knew Tony Marsh.
Speaker 4: But I remember video Berna. I'm like, wow, you did
Speaker 4: video Berna, and she did. She was with Lisa from
Speaker 4: then eighty eighty five, eighty six till now due vocal
Speaker 4: and everything like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so little Tony Marsh had a there was a
Speaker 7: period in which like.
Speaker 3: It's on Apple Music, and so when Apple Music, that's crazy.
Speaker 7: See those are those are the type of songs where
Speaker 7: the vocals won't even start until the five minute mark.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, the intro. The intro is like three minutes
Speaker 3: video there.
Speaker 7: You know, Like there's a period, especially between like eighty
Speaker 7: three and eighty five, where like a lot of these
Speaker 7: weird novelty songs have come up, Like Irene Carrot had
Speaker 7: a song about break dancing. But little Tony Marsh's song
Speaker 7: was notable because it was about her addiction to going
Speaker 7: to the arcades, the playing video games.
Speaker 5: That's real. That was real in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 7: Oh hell yeah, man, you know, let my come home late. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: late because I was at the arcade, I get in trouble.
Speaker 3: Wait, Lou, are.
Speaker 7: You at all ware of the Prince? You got the
Speaker 7: look story?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I mean all right. I always wanted to know this.
Speaker 7: So there's there's there's a friend of mine who I
Speaker 7: guess at the time like she was kind of messing
Speaker 7: with Prince or whatever, and at the time she was
Speaker 7: like eighteen. So this is this is like nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 7: this is when Spanish Fly is out, or this right
Speaker 7: before Spanish Fly.
Speaker 3: The second Lisa Lisa.
Speaker 7: Album comes out, and she's in the breakroom of his
Speaker 7: studio while he's recording what.
Speaker 3: We will know is Sign of the Times.
Speaker 7: And you know, because of the age difference, I mean,
Speaker 7: he's like at that time, he was like twenty seven,
Speaker 7: she's eighteen. She's more in tune to like younger stuff
Speaker 7: and really not you know, not on his level, you
Speaker 7: know of where music is. And so Robert Robert Plants
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Robert Palmer's video for Addicted to Love comes
Speaker 7: on and she's like, oh, I really love this song,
Speaker 7: and Prince is like rolling his eyes, like really, that's
Speaker 7: that's I'm like, I'm fucking a gud here. This is
Speaker 7: what impresses you and so and so it was really
Speaker 7: getting under his skin, and he decided to like test her,
Speaker 7: like okay, so what do you like about this song?
Speaker 7: So well, you know, it has a good beat and
Speaker 7: da da da da da, and Princess like, no, you
Speaker 7: just like it because you just see a bunch of
Speaker 7: women faking playing instruments. But anybody could do that shit.
Speaker 7: I could do that shit. And so he wipes he
Speaker 7: he stops the song he's working on totally wipes the
Speaker 7: board there at Sunset Sound in La and he decides,
Speaker 7: he says, I'll tell you what, I'm going to create
Speaker 7: a song, and I bet you that the only reason
Speaker 7: why you like Addicted to Love is because it's on television,
Speaker 7: and you're just influenced because something's on television. But if
Speaker 7: something of better quality were in your face, you wouldn't
Speaker 7: even you couldn't even discern the difference. So basically, he
Speaker 7: created kind of you Gotta You Got the Look with
Speaker 7: a chip on his shoulder and he could pleats the
Speaker 7: song and.
Speaker 3: It winds up on Sign of the Times, and so
Speaker 3: he reminds the girl.
Speaker 7: He's like, all right, my third single is gonna be
Speaker 7: you Got to Look, And I bet you any amount
Speaker 7: of money now you're gonna like the song because it's
Speaker 7: going to be a big hit. So of course, You
Speaker 7: Got the Look comes out and it's slowly riding up
Speaker 7: the charts, and right when Prince is going to get
Speaker 7: cocky and be like, yeah, next week this is gonna
Speaker 7: be number one, lost, an emotion comes in wow and
Speaker 7: fus it up, and he was so angry at that
Speaker 7: shit because he's like, ah, you wrote the number two
Speaker 7: you didn't write No.
Speaker 3: Number one hit Lisa Lisa, and I like that song better.
Speaker 7: So it was like, is that a story?
Speaker 3: He told no her name?
Speaker 7: Okay, so what And you know Prince has a long
Speaker 7: line of muses, so kind of the.
Speaker 5: He's the only one who gets to call him that.
Speaker 18: I love it, I know, So that kind of the
Speaker 18: the the last mus of the the first phase of
Speaker 18: music is you know, which starts with Patrice Russian and
Speaker 18: Vanity and Sheila whatever her name was.
Speaker 3: I think he christened her uh and a fantastic.
Speaker 5: I can't he christened her Chris.
Speaker 3: He christened what's her name Carmen Electra.
Speaker 5: Like he gave her her name.
Speaker 3: I don't know. He names all of his women. He's like,
Speaker 3: what's your name? No, that's not your name, you motherfucker.
Speaker 6: You so lucky you ain't living in twenty one.
Speaker 7: Oh so yeah, So basically he lost a vet because
Speaker 7: lost the emotion. Kind of she won won, but you
Speaker 7: beat him. But what I what I wanted to know
Speaker 7: was at least with the with the with the with
Speaker 7: the songwriting craft. You can definitely hear, especially on that
Speaker 7: second al them the Motown influence. Yes, you know, obviously
Speaker 7: you know, back, yeah, back in my Heart again and
Speaker 7: all that stuff for the for the second album, What
Speaker 7: was you guys' mind state in producing like her second album?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, our mindset was to kind of grow because
Speaker 9: you know when she came out, would take you home.
Speaker 4: And can't you feel the beat? You know, we didn't want.
Speaker 9: It to be because the record company, like going back
Speaker 9: to the first album, the record company did not want
Speaker 9: to release or cried out at all. They just wanted
Speaker 9: to keep yeah, none at all.
Speaker 4: They just wanted to keep up tempo songs and just
Speaker 4: make least just this dance thing. They we did all
Speaker 4: cried out, but it's like no, no, So we had
Speaker 4: to fight them on that.
Speaker 9: And when it was a single, it was you know,
Speaker 9: the rest of the rest is history. But for for
Speaker 9: the Spanish Fly, we wanted to elevate. That's when that
Speaker 9: album was called.
Speaker 4: Just Lisa, Lisa and Coach Jam.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The first album is called Lease Lisa Coach Jam with
Speaker 4: both of.
Speaker 9: Us, but this one was just then and Paul started
Speaker 9: it off with head to Toe with the whole Supremes
Speaker 9: type vibe, and then b spearheaded the second one, Lost
Speaker 9: in Emotion and we added a lot of the old time.
Speaker 4: Things and elements to that song to to Lost.
Speaker 9: The emotion, head Zone, and it was the number one
Speaker 9: record back to back on the Pop Charge number one
Speaker 9: and on the R and B Charge number one, back
Speaker 9: to back. It's create that time, and Lisa didn't even.
Speaker 9: Lisa was so surprised. She was like, damn, they really
Speaker 9: liked this song I'm talking about to.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, she didn't know.
Speaker 6: Y'all didn't know was that y'all were creating music for
Speaker 6: a news genre of things for kids, which was let's
Speaker 6: go on the playground and create choreography and make our
Speaker 6: own dances based off of these songs.
Speaker 5: And that's the head Toe.
Speaker 6: I swear to god, that was the first time that
Speaker 6: across across all the playgrounds.
Speaker 7: Christy, that's when you said that light here, because I
Speaker 7: was going to say that I had to tew and
Speaker 7: and I remember there was a period like between had
Speaker 7: to tell you guys's second album with Old Flames Never
Speaker 7: Die and even with Loss in Emotion. Like I had
Speaker 7: a coworker at a job I used to work at
Speaker 7: who was like slightly older, so he's kind of like
Speaker 7: an uncle, and he was one of them guys that
Speaker 7: was like, see, man, they ain't nothing but Dinah Ross.
Speaker 3: Hey, nothing but sliding the family start.
Speaker 7: So I didn't even understand like what it meant to
Speaker 7: be derivative or that sort of thing of like. So
Speaker 7: he was like explaining to me, like, well, see this
Speaker 7: reference is you know, a sly reference that they did
Speaker 7: from this song. And then that's when I started to
Speaker 7: look for like kind of the anatomy of a song
Speaker 7: and how it comes from older songs that I never
Speaker 7: knew that before that moment. And that's when I realized,
Speaker 7: you guys really won older adults, Yeah, because you.
Speaker 3: Were speaking a new language.
Speaker 7: But you know, kid, right, you said kids got it
Speaker 7: and adults got it.
Speaker 3: That's yeah.
Speaker 7: So with your with you guys his own career, I
Speaker 7: believe that it wasn't the executive of Columbia Rodriguez what's
Speaker 7: his name?
Speaker 3: Ruben? Was?
Speaker 7: Was he sort of the not the product manager, but
Speaker 7: was he like the head an r. Was he the
Speaker 7: who was at the helm of running things as far
Speaker 7: as Full Force and Lisa.
Speaker 4: Lisa Caltaire and Pey because we were all in the
Speaker 4: same label and all part of the Full Force family.
Speaker 4: Ruben Rodriguez was the head of promotions, radio promotions. Cecil
Speaker 4: Holmes was hit of Urban A and R so was
Speaker 4: Locke and.
Speaker 7: Arnold Yo like I remember his name from like back
Speaker 7: at Captain Yeah Marvin and also doing the Silvers, doing
Speaker 7: Tabaris and all that.
Speaker 4: What was Larkinn'd like? Larkin was very stern. He was
Speaker 4: just kind of a stern guys, very serious, no nonsense,
Speaker 4: and when we came on there and and it was
Speaker 4: actually his idea, we didn't like the idea.
Speaker 9: But a lot of times we always tell people that
Speaker 9: our first full fourth single was a song called Alice
Speaker 9: I Want you just for Me, but.
Speaker 4: It really wasn't.
Speaker 9: It was actually a song called girl if I Take
Speaker 9: You Home, which was and only because we had all
Speaker 9: that answer back stuff with UTFO, because there were so
Speaker 9: many answer back records to utfo's rock sand Roxanne that
Speaker 9: we even jumped on our own bandwagon and we were
Speaker 9: the ones to come out with the real rock sand
Speaker 9: So that was part of full Forces Stamp. I forgot
Speaker 9: to ask you, yeah, but Larkin wanted.
Speaker 4: Us, man, you think maybe you could do an answer back?
Speaker 4: I wonder if I take you Home? I'm like, are
Speaker 4: you serious?
Speaker 9: You said, yeah, I think it'll work and we did
Speaker 9: girl if I Take Girl, If I Take You Home,
Speaker 9: and we've had least to sing a little bit in there,
Speaker 9: and they didn't really do it that hot and like that.
Speaker 4: We didn't want to do it. But when we came
Speaker 4: out with Alice, you know, that was the show for us.
Speaker 4: But Lark and Arnold she was.
Speaker 7: Wait, wasn't a girl if I Take You Home? Or
Speaker 7: on the B side of the twelve inch?
Speaker 9: It was on a twelve inch and the other side
Speaker 9: was a song called Let's Dance Against the Wall.
Speaker 4: But Girl if I Take You Home was the first single.
Speaker 9: Alice was a was a single by itself with a
Speaker 9: lot of different OUs dub mixes and stuff like that
Speaker 9: on the no.
Speaker 7: No I was asking about because I know on the
Speaker 7: B side there was like a version of I Wonder
Speaker 7: if I Take You Home on Lisa's twelve inch, in
Speaker 7: which there might have been a rap kind of the
Speaker 7: way like if you remember Cameo She Strange, there was
Speaker 7: a She Shanes rap, but it was there was a and.
Speaker 3: The same for Atomic Dog.
Speaker 7: The B side of Atomic Dog was Atomic Dog rap
Speaker 7: on the B side of the twelve inch of Lisa Lisa.
Speaker 7: It was definitely what I assume were you guys's voices doing.
Speaker 4: A thing and you're writer.
Speaker 3: It's called take You Home rap, and so this is
Speaker 3: not the same song.
Speaker 9: No, And that was on Lisa Lisa album The Girl
Speaker 9: If I Take You Home was a whole different thing.
Speaker 9: And you know Lark and Arnold, you know he was
Speaker 9: he was a really no nonsense kind of dude and
Speaker 9: so no nonsense that he definitely crossed us a shot
Speaker 9: at being on the Crush Groove soundtrack. I mean the
Speaker 9: replacement song, of course was not shabby Terry LUs and
Speaker 9: Jimmy Jam. But but Russell Simmons when.
Speaker 4: They did Crush Grew because at the time, Russell Shimmons
Speaker 4: just came up with Death Jam to be be be
Speaker 4: part of Columbia Records, and you had a lot of
Speaker 4: black executives because Russell did to deal with, you know,
Speaker 4: the white power of this beast power the Beast and
Speaker 4: a lot of.
Speaker 9: The other black zayas were kind of feeling away. So
Speaker 9: Russell Simmons wanted our song Unselfish Lover with the big
Speaker 9: beat and everything. He wanted that to be the love
Speaker 9: scene when Blair Underwood and Sheila E. That's what he
Speaker 9: wanted he wanted that, and Lark and Arnold is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 9: it's just gonna be for the full Fust album.
Speaker 4: We was like, can it be in the movie? We
Speaker 4: were so excited that Russell wanted it, and Lock and
Speaker 4: all said no. So they ended up getting some They
Speaker 4: ended up getting some corny song like tend to Love
Speaker 4: by the.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Okay, so you said something.
Speaker 7: And now I got to get back to the physicality
Speaker 7: aspect of full force. Is there really such a thing
Speaker 7: as an executive being no nonsense? With the six of
Speaker 7: you guys in the room, they got to Now, I
Speaker 7: don't want to ask any pugilism.
Speaker 9: Questions, but but but I do want to know.
Speaker 3: And it could even be amongst yourselves, you guys.
Speaker 7: Have you guys ever had a situation where y'all had
Speaker 7: to go full Brooklyn on someone in real life, not
Speaker 7: in the movies.
Speaker 4: Okay, leave you all alone?
Speaker 3: Did they leave you all alone?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Nobody fucked with us. Even though even though we
Speaker 4: had our gam curls, and even though Paul used to
Speaker 4: wear a little eyeliner and stuff like that, nobody fucked us.
Speaker 9: I'll never forget fat Man was a fat man Scoop. Yeah,
Speaker 9: fat mask Fat Man Scoop was told me. He said, Yo, man,
Speaker 9: I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: Growing up then, y'all had the Jerry curls and all
Speaker 4: of that stuff and stressed and crazy like princes sometimes
Speaker 4: but not even the hardest nigga back and they would
Speaker 4: want to fuck with y'all, and and everybody just gave
Speaker 4: us respect because we was on tour. We did the
Speaker 4: fresh Tress. We did a lot of fresh Tress. We
Speaker 4: were like the only useful act, but a lot of
Speaker 4: different fresh Fress things.
Speaker 9: And the only time we got we went full Brooklyn
Speaker 9: and didn't come to fighting, but we were kind of
Speaker 9: threatened sort of and was with uh when we was
Speaker 9: on tour with Larry Blackman and cameo.
Speaker 4: And wow, yeah yeah.
Speaker 9: And what happened is that in our act, our act
Speaker 9: was a crazy, wild, full force act. And you know,
Speaker 9: at the time there was nobody in music like flexing,
Speaker 9: physical fitness, like nobody.
Speaker 4: It was just us with our droopy Jerry and everything.
Speaker 4: Paul and those shirts yes, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah shirts and those pants.
Speaker 7: I think that you have yeah, you have a you
Speaker 7: have a shot of the pants right behind you in
Speaker 7: that photo microphone yeah, I had the pants with your
Speaker 7: hand on your oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's like with some oh yeah yeah, with
Speaker 4: the hand and the crotch.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was a ry blackman move. I
Speaker 3: thought that was a cameo move.
Speaker 4: But good, no, we had that way before, way before.
Speaker 4: I was doing that. Okay, God love thing video.
Speaker 9: I got one with a microphone on there. But when
Speaker 9: we would do our shows, Paul at the end of
Speaker 9: the show, I would say, ladies, ladies.
Speaker 16: Before we go, many of y'all would love to see
Speaker 16: Paul Anthony take.
Speaker 9: It off, and they would they would go crazy because
Speaker 9: we would bring the strip of mentality.
Speaker 4: We bring the strip of mentality to the stage. Nobody
Speaker 4: did that either. Music SA I'll never forget Michael Beeves go, man,
Speaker 4: how do you like when people be, you know, fifty
Speaker 4: cents ellen they take off their shirt? I mean, y'all
Speaker 4: started that, you know, I.
Speaker 9: Said, well whatever, But but I remember when we take
Speaker 9: it off. Paul would take off his shirt and and
Speaker 9: you know, the women would go crazy. And then after that,
Speaker 9: I would say, wait a minute, y'all, ladies, wasn't that
Speaker 9: some cheap shit?
Speaker 4: They go, yeah, I.
Speaker 16: Said, well, shouldn't he well, everybody say cheap ship, cheap ship.
Speaker 9: And then I say he should finish the job, right, yeah,
Speaker 9: and they.
Speaker 16: Said, ladies, everybody in the house, they pull it down,
Speaker 16: pull it down, man, put down.
Speaker 9: And then Paul would get up and we would do
Speaker 9: the whole musical thing like a drama show, and the music,
Speaker 9: and Jerry would do the keyboards like sinister and Paul.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're all buff, they're all like Bill.
Speaker 4: Started. After that, I would do some stripping, but my my, well,
Speaker 4: let me tell you up. So what Paul would do.
Speaker 9: He would he would unbuckle the belt and unbuckle this,
Speaker 9: and we play the music.
Speaker 4: Then he turned around and he said, man, y'all know
Speaker 4: I can't do that. He turned around and then he'd
Speaker 4: get his past together.
Speaker 9: He turned back and he pulled out his pants and
Speaker 9: there was the G string and the place went, yeah.
Speaker 3: So crazy.
Speaker 4: And then Paul would start flexing and doing his body
Speaker 4: built poses, and the women would go so stupid.
Speaker 9: I got into the act later, and I think I
Speaker 9: did like maybe five times.
Speaker 4: What I would do when I pulled down my thing.
Speaker 4: My G string was electric bulbs all around my ship,
Speaker 4: and the lights in the whole venue and you just
Speaker 4: see my flashing lights on my ship. See I did it.
Speaker 4: I got electrocuted and I never did it again.
Speaker 16: Way electrocuted my nuts and.
Speaker 4: It was crazy your service.
Speaker 3: I appreciate clip clip of the week.
Speaker 9: It was so crazy roasty nuts and it's so crazy
Speaker 9: with with Paul because it was so ridiculous. I remember
Speaker 9: Jamie Fox telling us how he remembered our show the
Speaker 9: way we came out.
Speaker 4: We would do stuff like the Alice sandwich. We get
Speaker 4: a girl and bring up on stage and Paul and
Speaker 4: Paul would grab her. Then I get behind the girl.
Speaker 9: Then Paul picked me up and the girl up at
Speaker 9: the same time.
Speaker 4: I'll show just Alice Sandwich. Alice. That was I remember
Speaker 4: that you and the show would be.
Speaker 9: Our show would be bananas a wild, so much so
Speaker 9: that at the end of the show and say, how
Speaker 9: many y'all would like to know which hotel we stayed
Speaker 9: that tonight?
Speaker 3: WHOA.
Speaker 9: Then I go, I can't do that, man, because the
Speaker 9: people at the Marryott down there.
Speaker 4: At twenty two.
Speaker 5: See, you know what you just proved, You just Paul,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about Paul Lord.
Speaker 6: You know what you just proved, Lou You just proved
Speaker 6: that twenty twenty one sucks like we couldn't never like
Speaker 6: that just can't have And no male artist is willing
Speaker 6: to give as much as y'all gave.
Speaker 7: Thank you right now in the in Atlanta and.
Speaker 6: Not in the same situation. They have their clothes on,
Speaker 6: the women are naked. It ain't the men taking their
Speaker 6: clothes off.
Speaker 5: And doing that.
Speaker 4: No, men don't do that.
Speaker 2: No, they not.
Speaker 5: They make you take your off even though you pay
Speaker 5: for your ticket.
Speaker 2: That's still happening. It just happened with the DMS.
Speaker 4: Now check this out.
Speaker 9: So with that, Marry Blackman's uh manager or road manager
Speaker 9: came backstage to us and he said to us, Hey, listen, y'all,
Speaker 9: y'all gotta stop that that strip.
Speaker 4: Y'all gotta stop taking off the clothes stuff. And we're like, why, Yeah.
Speaker 9: Larry don't want that, Larry don't want no none.
Speaker 4: Larry don't want that.
Speaker 9: This was during the Word Up, the Word Up to
Speaker 9: a woman who did like twenty five days with him,
Speaker 9: and I said said and Paul said, so wait a minute,
Speaker 9: Larry Blackman said that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Larry Blackman said that. I said, well, listen,
Speaker 4: because we have so much respect for Larry blackman and
Speaker 4: cameo because they treated us nice. So I said, well, well,
Speaker 4: can Larry come back here and tell us that, can
Speaker 4: he tell us that that he doesn't want us to
Speaker 4: do the strip no more? Can you please tell him
Speaker 4: to come back here and let's talk and let's see
Speaker 4: what he has to say.
Speaker 9: And then the guy looked at us and said, oh no, no, no, Larry,
Speaker 9: don't talk to the open and act.
Speaker 4: He don't talk to open the next wow.
Speaker 9: So after that we looked at him and Paul said, oh, really, Larry,
Speaker 9: do over that all right? Give this message to Larry,
Speaker 9: tell him fuck him and that tonight I'm wearing canary
Speaker 9: yellow g string, all right, tell him that.
Speaker 4: Tell him that all right. And then we had like
Speaker 4: everybody on the road with us. Our roadies was.
Speaker 9: All from our neighborhood, from our Brooklyn neighborhood, said some
Speaker 9: of the same guys that used to tell us, man,
Speaker 9: y'all should get a job.
Speaker 4: Man, why you have a hurdy? I should get a job.
Speaker 4: But well, we took them on the road with us
Speaker 4: the summer tours, and we told them to get ready
Speaker 4: to listen if anybody tries to fuck with our sound
Speaker 4: or do one of those sabotage shits, We're gonna fuck
Speaker 4: them down bottom line.
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh yeah, it's definitely going down Brooklyn style without
Speaker 9: a fucking doubt.
Speaker 4: But nobody fucked with our shit. Nobody fuck us. We
Speaker 4: were waiting, We were waiting after we sent that message
Speaker 4: back and there was no there was no problem after that.
Speaker 4: We stay the same sometimes. We don't even know if
Speaker 4: Larry said that.
Speaker 9: He might not say that, but I remember us, I
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Speaker 9: him when we had a seminole. It was us, Larry
Speaker 9: Blackman and Ike Turner, whoa you know, yeah, great rest
Speaker 9: in peace, and we told that story and Larry and
Speaker 9: Larry just laughed, you know, Larry just laughed.
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