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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, What I Blue?

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Speaker 2: What's good?

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Speaker 3: Brother? What's up brother?

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Speaker 4: How you feel?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Good man?

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Speaker 4: Cool man?

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Speaker 5: Cool hand? And he got a haircut this Oh nice,

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Speaker 5: nice nice.

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Speaker 2: I had to shape it up outside in my homie garage.

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Speaker 3: Oh outside, okay.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, outside mass stuff in the garage. That's how

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Speaker 2: you do it.

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Speaker 4: I ain't seeing you with a haircut so long.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, who is that? What his name is?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Dangerous man with some money?

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Speaker 6: Man funny, that's funny.

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Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Quest Love Supreme. I'm your

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Speaker 7: host Quest Love. We have Teams Supreme today in the house,

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Speaker 7: we have live here where you right now?

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Speaker 5: I am at Los Angele.

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Speaker 3: Leans, Los Angeles at home.

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Speaker 5: YEP show is.

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Speaker 3: What's a Giant to Live quality poster behind me? I

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Speaker 3: don't know. That's commons.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry both of them.

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Speaker 5: It's that long time ago when they went on tour

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Speaker 5: with com and Niphat.

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Speaker 7: All right, I see, I see eons ago, eons ago,

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Speaker 7: Sugar Step in the house.

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Speaker 3: We're in the same place, but we're in separate rooms.

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Speaker 3: What's up? Sticks?

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Speaker 4: I like it this way you know, close by, but

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Speaker 4: not too close.

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Speaker 3: Okay, uh fresh cut?

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Speaker 8: Yeah man, yeah, man. Had to bring in the spring

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Speaker 8: the right way. So Win got cut up in my

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Speaker 8: homeboo garage today.

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Speaker 3: This is your first cut in a year or.

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Speaker 8: So or nah, it's only I've been cut a few times,

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Speaker 8: but it's only been over the year. I probably only

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Speaker 8: got cut like two three times, so it ain't been

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Speaker 8: and all. And every time I got cut it was

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Speaker 8: the same situation we was cutting outside. So this is

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Speaker 8: my first one in months since it's my first one

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Speaker 8: of the year for sure.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, cool cool, all right, Well, good to see

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Speaker 7: you getting fresh for twenty twenty one. What can I say, y'all,

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Speaker 7: it's an honor and a pleasure to have our guest

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Speaker 7: on the show today.

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Speaker 3: Amongst his achievements being.

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Speaker 7: One of the founding members one of the most crucial

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Speaker 7: production teams in hip hop culture and music. But there,

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Speaker 7: I say, one of the first major production teams in

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Speaker 7: hip hop culture. Like previous to full Force his arrival

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Speaker 7: on the scene, I'll say that most music production was

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Speaker 7: usually a one man show or kind of a duo

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Speaker 7: at best. But it should be noted that in addition

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Speaker 7: to a vast array of the artists that they work with,

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Speaker 7: like Utfo, Britney Spears, Lisa Lisa Cult, Jam and Sink, Selena,

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Speaker 7: Backstreet Boys.

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Speaker 3: James Brown.

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Speaker 7: My favorite R and B name of all time, next

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Speaker 7: to Lelo Thomas, which is schoyl Pepsi Riley. I always

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Speaker 7: have to say her name with the zest of a

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Speaker 7: gospel play announcer Richard Simple, Siels, Ricky Bell sh pe

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Speaker 7: Wait a minute, I'm joking right now, but I believe

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Speaker 7: I heard wasn't there things for my child gospel play?

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Speaker 3: I believe there was one.

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Speaker 5: Really she was in gospel plays. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: it was the things for my child.

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Speaker 7: I believe I once heard it's it's one of those

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Speaker 7: things for my child moments in a gospel play. It's

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Speaker 7: like way before Tyle Perry. Anyway, I digress. Some of

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Speaker 7: the greatest jams ever name him Roxy and Roxanne. I

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Speaker 7: wonder if I take you home, can you feel the

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Speaker 7: beat static?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Try me or as Jasmine guy pronounce it? Try had

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Speaker 7: to tell all cried out, way wait, wait, wait, way

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Speaker 7: more hits more than if you know?

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Speaker 3: If I name them, all will be here all night.

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Speaker 7: And despite his and his team's penchant for playing some

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Speaker 7: of the scariest villains on the silver screen, Chris.

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Speaker 3: Groove and use Fussy. Yeah, I will say that they're probably.

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Speaker 7: Some of the nicest guys ever, and I just I

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Speaker 7: personally want to add that, you know, growing up being

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Speaker 7: fourteen years old, stuck with a very doweby nerdy voice disposition,

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Speaker 7: our guest today was a personal hero of mine because

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Speaker 7: you just didn't see this level of nerdiness and funkiness

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Speaker 7: and authenticness coming from the same source. So I'll say

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Speaker 7: that he doesn't get enough praise for his contributions. And

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Speaker 7: I'm speaking for the entire four squad. They made an

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Speaker 7: immediate impression on me because there was definitely a moment

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Speaker 7: when I was like fifteen, trying to decide in the

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Speaker 7: crack era of West Philadelphia shoulda code switched my way

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Speaker 7: into adulthood or just be my nerdy self?

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Speaker 3: And I chose the latter wisely.

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Speaker 7: So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome two courts Love Supreme

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Speaker 7: my personal hero bow Legged Lou a full force, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 7: thank you man.

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Speaker 8: You guys, Lou, I don't know if you were I

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Speaker 8: don't know if you remember Lou we actually met. This

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Speaker 8: is probably this is a couple of years ago. The

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Speaker 8: Harris family in in Raleigh, North Carolina. They did teen

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Speaker 8: Fest and you and your brothers came over to the

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Speaker 8: crib and we met there. That was like my first time.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this was probably like twenty fifteen or something.

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Speaker 8: It's some years back. But they're they're just a great family.

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Speaker 8: And they said, yeah, you know, the full force guys

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Speaker 8: are coming over, and I was like, really, wow, y'all

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, it's really them. Well, yeah

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Speaker 2: it was. It was it was Lou, it was Paul, Anthony,

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Speaker 8: It was just I think it was just three all

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Speaker 8: that night as y'allould do something for for teen Fest.

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Speaker 8: And I even called Knife that now. I was like, bro,

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Speaker 8: you ain't gonna believe you gotta come over here. He's

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Speaker 8: like what I said, Bro, you just got to come

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Speaker 8: over here. And he came over and like that whole night,

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Speaker 8: me and him were just texting each other back and forth,

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Speaker 8: like lines from house party and ship like.

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Speaker 2: But but now, y'all, y'all was good. Good dudes, man,

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Speaker 2: It was good to meet y'all brothers.

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Speaker 9: Man, brother man, And I'm glad you shouted out the

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Speaker 2: I think now is it Lenny Lennis? I think they

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Speaker 9: But anyway, still beautiful people regardless we're together.

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Speaker 7: Wait, we always got to ask if couples have made

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Speaker 7: it past uh past the pandemic. You know, I've taken count.

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Speaker 7: There's at least eighteen of my friends that have not

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Speaker 7: make it right, didn't make it.

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Speaker 3: H Lou. I know.

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Speaker 7: Your your brothers are are be finding Paul Anthony, but

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Speaker 7: what's are what's your relationship with uh Shashai, Kurt.

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Speaker 3: And baby Jerry? Like, are they cousins or they're just friends?

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Speaker 9: No, they are blood cousins. So it's a family of fear.

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Speaker 9: They are three cousins, and you know we have a

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Speaker 9: family of fair.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So it's kind of like the Isley brother situation,

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Speaker 7: which it's three main brothers and then adding family members

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Speaker 7: and supplementing the group.

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Speaker 3: Yo, man, this is it. What's weird is.

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Speaker 7: That you and I became friends on social media and

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Speaker 7: I always wanted to interview you, which is kind of

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Speaker 7: why I always kept a distance because.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to save our first conversation for the show.

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Speaker 4: Oh shit.

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Speaker 7: So if anything, I kind of I made Jimmy Jam

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Speaker 7: his proxy because I've already interviewed Jimmy Jam. So like

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Speaker 7: now Jam and I like talk every day, but this

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Speaker 7: is like the moment I've been waiting for it for

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Speaker 7: the show. Like want to use this as as that movement.

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Speaker 7: Where are you right now as we speak.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually upstairs and in my office.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, I don't I don't know what city

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Speaker 7: you reside in now, don't Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: Pennsylvania, the Poconos. That's why that's where I live. Wow.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Yes, me and my brothers, we've been up here

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Speaker 9: for like at least fifteen years. And what you know,

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Speaker 9: the three of us, we just made a brother move

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Speaker 9: from Brooklyn to here, you know.

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Speaker 4: And my I, I never really wanted to move here.

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Speaker 9: But what made me come here is that Paul all

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Speaker 9: of a sudden, when he was going through his cancer journey,

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Speaker 9: he just wanted to move.

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Speaker 4: He just wanted to we just let's get out of Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: Let's just go.

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Speaker 9: So I was my brother's keeper during all his cancer journey.

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Speaker 9: So I'm like, okay, he said.

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Speaker 4: He said to me, he said, listen, this is what

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Speaker 4: we're going to do. I already spoke to Be, you know,

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Speaker 4: be fine.

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Speaker 9: I spoke to Be and we said, let's all moved together,

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Speaker 9: and we just built some houses from ground up.

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Speaker 4: We go to the Pocono's.

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Speaker 9: We don't want mom to live by herself anymore, so

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Speaker 9: she'll live with you. And because you're not married anymore,

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Speaker 9: you know me be still married. So that's what we're

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Speaker 9: gonna do. And that's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, and that was it. I mean, I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 4: who made that decision? It wasn't me, But I was

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Speaker 4: my brother.

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Speaker 9: I was my brother's keeper and I'm here now, so

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Speaker 9: it's all good.

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Speaker 2: So with moms, man, how many moms in the house,

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Speaker 2: how is they?

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Speaker 10: Like?

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Speaker 9: Well, my mom's I became a primary care taker last

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Speaker 9: March when COVID started, so she lives with me and

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Speaker 9: it's all good.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: I'm just taking care of it the best way I can.

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Speaker 9: And my brothers are chipping and pitching. And she was.

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Speaker 4: You know, she's got health issues, but we're here for her,

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Speaker 4: just like she was for us when we were growing up.

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Speaker 4: So it's all good.

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Speaker 2: I can dig it.

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Speaker 7: So have you guys always made decisions with each other

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Speaker 7: like nomads, because this is it's definitely like a new

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Speaker 7: mad move where no matter what happens, we all moved together,

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Speaker 7: which is weird because once I became adult, the first

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Speaker 7: thing I did was got as far away as possible

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Speaker 7: from my family.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: So funny is that Paul lives that we live in

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Speaker 9: the same cul de sac.

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Speaker 4: He's like directly across from me.

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Speaker 9: He wanted to me that close to our mom so

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Speaker 9: were directly he could open his door.

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Speaker 4: Hey lord, y'all right, and he shaid, like all the

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Speaker 4: time back and forth.

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Speaker 9: My brother b he lives like I would say, ten

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Speaker 9: minutes from us, and he's like, listen, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Mind living close to y'all, but I just don't want

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Speaker 4: to live too close. That was, you know, but.

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Speaker 9: Paul's directly across from me, like directly across with our houses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to ask, like, what made it?

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Speaker 4: That's what we did.

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Speaker 9: But my night life was always New York City, you know,

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Speaker 7: Are those like resorts still open, like uh, Cove Haven

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Speaker 7: The kind of circuit that my dad did was always

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Speaker 9: To Crin Heights in Brooklyn, man, we were just it

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Speaker 9: was just some good times. We'd be on the on

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Speaker 4: We played Booties Up. We would and we would always

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Speaker 9: You know, Booties Up is like you chase, you chase

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Speaker 7: Like I was always a big dude, you know, kind

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Speaker 9: I mean not really, but you know, I think because

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Speaker 9: that's just sketched.

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Speaker 10: But but you exactly mentioned that to me and you said, yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: Well, you guys are very articulate, and we really like

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Speaker 9: We're definitely the first R and B group to show

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Speaker 3: That that's lightly putting it that way.

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Speaker 4: Theerson doing so that's what people just made live jokes.

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Speaker 9: On the set of House Party two and Ralph Trendsman,

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Speaker 4: Two, he did a number right right exactly. He said

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Speaker 9: When I first heard that y'all were going to be

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Speaker 4: The hell are they gonna do? How are they gonna

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Speaker 4: Look at spot run, look.

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Speaker 9: At When you told me that, I was saying, you're crazy, man,

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Speaker 9: That's what I thought.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's hilarious, nah.

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Speaker 7: Dude, because I I was gonna say. The reason before

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Speaker 4: Not.

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Speaker 3: So how well okay?

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Speaker 7: I always ask, well, do you remember the first album

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Speaker 11: The first album I ever purchased was The Temptations Greatest Hits,

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Speaker 4: Songs on there. They didn't have that picture on the cover.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, listing their greatest hits like the Way You Do,

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Speaker 9: Okay, well that was my group back then and still

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Speaker 4: And I got every Temptation album you can mention it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I love the Temptations the whole stock. Bear Back too.

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Speaker 4: I got bear Back.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The first time I heard this song, I lost my mind.

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Speaker 4: I got their winners and I got their losers. I

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Speaker 7: Wait, no, this is I mean, I didn't. I didn't necessarily,

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Speaker 7: that came out, I think after a Song for You.

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Speaker 3: I think that was seventy six.

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Speaker 7: And I remember again like I was five years old,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, house Party, I remember that one too many they had.

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Speaker 4: I'm the oldest, Paul Anthony is the middle, and my

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Speaker 5: Aren't y'all y'all a first generation? Like aren't your parents

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, rikers.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know what I thought.

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Speaker 3: My tumb spelled for this, like.

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Speaker 5: She was like, wow, damn, no, I know Rikers right

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Speaker 4: My father's from Saint Thomas Virginalad's okay, and my mother's

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Speaker 9: You know, was Paul was made in Saint Thomas was

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Is that Dominicanican Republic?

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Speaker 4: That's the Dominican Republic? Yeah, indeed, so.

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Speaker 7: What is that summer summer of nineteen eighty I lived

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Speaker 7: in the Frenchman's reef.

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Do you really what my parents did? You know?

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Speaker 7: Like my parents would do like three to six months

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Speaker 3: So oh okay, the entire the.

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Speaker 4: Was the game for the islands?

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Speaker 3: But they will break the table like right, exactly, like

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Speaker 5: Of that or brother brother Domino.

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Speaker 7: Brother No, yeah exactly, you had it correct the first time.

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Speaker 7: So growing up in Brooklyn, like what was it just

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Speaker 3: Like what were the first shows you went to?

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Speaker 7: And how did that affect you and your brothers as entertainers?

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Speaker 9: Man, Well, what happens that as we were growing up,

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Speaker 9: And this was in when we was in bed sty

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Speaker 9: we had a bathroom and he was singing in the

450
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 9: bathroom and he was singing this song by Smokey Robinson

451
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 9: call if you Can Want, And Paul would sing that

452
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 9: song and my father was like.

453
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 4: Oh shit, honey, She'd tell me he got a voice,

454
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 4: and my and my father, he was one of those

455
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 4: dou wop singers.

456
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 9: He'd be on the street corners with his friends and

457
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 9: they were doing the doop harmony.

458
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: They they had groups called the Criterions. He used to

459
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: even work with Frankie Lyman one time, but that was

460
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 4: his way.

461
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 3: The father was in the Criterions.

462
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Criterions. Yeah, he was in that group.

463
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 7: That I'm a I'm a do wop kid myself, so yeah,

464
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 7: I know that name wow.

465
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 9: And they used to do harmonies at the house and everything.

466
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: He's the one that taught us about how to sing harmony.

467
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 9: And it would be me and Paul because I got

468
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 9: interested because he was working with my brother, so I

469
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 9: got a little jealous and.

470
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 4: He started working with me.

471
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 9: My brother b Fine wasn't really interested in singing, but

472
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 9: my father forced him and he said and he would,

473
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 9: he would, he would give him a spanking.

474
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: If you don't sing, you do nothing else. And he

475
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: had no choice. He had no choice but to sing.

476
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: And I was waiting for the Joe Jackson Stewart all right.

477
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like that, but he wasn't wasn't

478
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 4: that mean.

479
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 9: But once we started singing, then my uncle Sito formed

480
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 9: us as a group.

481
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 4: He bought us these frill shirts and he.

482
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 9: Made us a group and we went by the name

483
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 9: of the Amplifiers.

484
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: When we were growing up in Brooklyn, and we started

485
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: out so young, but we would be singing the songs

486
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: from the records, you know, Bowl of Confusion twenty five

487
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: miles by Edmund Starr, one of my favorite joints, and

488
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 4: we would just be doing that as we're growing up.

489
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 9: And then what happened is that they took us to

490
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 9: the Apollo Theater because back in the day before showtime

491
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 9: at the Apollo, of course, the Apollow used to have

492
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 9: like shows every week.

493
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 4: They would have like ten shows every week, you know,

494
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: two or three shows.

495
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 9: A day, and they had a Paramach Night every Wednesday,

496
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 9: way before showtime at the Apollow, but every Wednesday, and

497
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 9: you had.

498
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 4: To win first prize four weeks to row, and if

499
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 4: you do that, you get to appear on the Professional Show.

500
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 9: Well, we went on there and we did the song

501
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 9: called Cloud Nine, which was by the Temptations, and we

502
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 9: killed it like every week, and we won first place

503
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 9: at the Apollo Theater every week, and then we appeared

504
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 9: on the Professional Show with the late Great Joe Techs

505
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 9: and the Whispers, which was the whispers. First time at

506
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 9: the Apollo Theater. Back then they had a song call.

507
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 9: Seems like I got to do wrong. And and I'm

508
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 9: telling you before that, my uncle, my aunt, my father

509
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 9: would take us to the Apollo Theater like religiously when

510
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 9: we saw all these shows growing up youngsters, you know,

511
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 9: Joe Simon, you know, Linda Jones Makes You Rest in Peace,

512
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 9: Curtis Mayfield, tempta Supreme, I mean yeah, I mean.

513
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: Tyrold Davis, turn Back the Hands of Time. I mean,

514
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: we grew up with all that music lineage, you know,

515
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: and the Apollo Theater was magic. Man, it was like magic.

516
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: So that's how we started, you know, like that.

517
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: Can you all? Right?

518
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 7: So I always wanted to ask anyone that's ever participated

519
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 7: in Amateur Night when they come on this show, and

520
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 7: I always forget to ask them pre pre showtime at

521
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 7: the Apollo, what is the actual ritual for getting on

522
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 7: and then doing Amateur Night?

523
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: Like do you have to have chord charts?

524
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: Uh?

525
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 7: Do you bring a cassette to whoever the m D

526
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 7: is or do you just say we're doing my girl

527
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 7: in uh, you know, in e minor and they automatically

528
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 7: know it, Like what's the process of Amateur Knight.

529
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 9: Well, well, yeah, we had a guy with us named

530
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 9: Jorge McKennon, so he knew a lot of the people

531
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 9: back there. And the way we got through we never

532
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 9: auditioned or nothing. He was like, pay somebody under the

533
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 9: table and bam. We would be on the amateur night

534
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 9: and in order to get there, the band we would rehearse.

535
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: The band would rehearse with people and if they knew

536
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: the song.

537
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 9: Which they always knew, most of them they knew the song,

538
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 9: they would just get the key or sometimes yeah, people

539
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 9: would bring in their music they practice for sheet music.

540
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: Okay, we got it. Sometimes the band didn't know the song.

541
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: All right, you got to come up with another one.

542
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 4: What do you got another song?

543
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: You know?

544
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 4: And then they would know it, you know what I mean.

545
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 4: So that would be the thing.

546
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 9: And we'd all be practicing it, just getting everything together.

547
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 4: And it was crazy.

548
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 9: They used to have all the all the amateurs would

549
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 9: be downstairs in the basement and you could hear like

550
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 9: the professional show, like Stevie Wonder stomping on the on

551
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 9: the ground and you can on the stage and you

552
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 9: can hear him from in the seat. I'm like, wow,

553
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 9: Stevie Wonder like stomping right now, singing stupid.

554
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 4: Stition or whatever you know.

555
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we would That's how we would

556
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 9: get it with the band members and they knew Cloud Nine.

557
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 9: We didn't have to give them court. They just had

558
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 9: to get it in our right key. And we was

559
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 9: able to do it with the with the Apollo band.

560
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

561
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 7: I always wanted to know, like if someone threw a

562
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 7: curveball like I want to do Dian Warick's do you

563
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 7: know the way the San Jose and the band would

564
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 7: say like, naw, we don't know that ship.

565
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: That's why I asked, like, did you have to?

566
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 7: That explains why everyone did like Luther Vandross if only

567
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 7: for one.

568
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: Night or yeah, or.

569
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: The open mic selection right right exactly?

570
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: I get it now. So just leading into.

571
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 7: Your actual recorded career, The first time I heard of

572
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 7: you guys was on Curtis Blow's Party Time. But when

573
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 7: was the when was the first side that you actually cut?

574
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 7: Like the first time that you guys were in the

575
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 7: studio recording stuff.

576
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 9: The first thing that we have a cut, well, we

577
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 9: did songs. The first studio thing we ever did was

578
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 9: a song called Turn You On and it was on

579
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 9: a small little independent label in Brooklyn. It was on

580
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 9: Dazz Records, and we thought we made it only because

581
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 9: on Dazz Records in the Brooklyn was a big hit record.

582
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: Called Super Ryan Rap by Jimmy Spicer. Yeah right, May

583
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: he rest in peace, and we're like, wow, we made it.

584
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 9: We're on the same label as him. I mean, we

585
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 9: didn't have no damn hit would turn you on. But

586
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 9: that was like our first joint recording it, I mean.

587
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: Like after that, Yeah, we worked with Curtis Blow.

588
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 9: We did five songs on two different Curtis Blows album

589
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 9: and the first one, you know, we did a song

590
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 9: called big Time Hood and we did a song called

591
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 9: under Fire, and we actually produced those songs, but at

592
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 9: that time we didn't really have much say so we

593
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 9: we had. We got the credit of co writing it

594
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 9: and I got to give it. And the biggest song

595
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 9: we did with Curtis was Yeah, party Time, Party Time,

596
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 9: whoa is part of time? That song he brought us

597
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 9: on tour with him and we still weren't known, but

598
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 9: he took us on tour and we did a tour

599
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 9: with him. New Edition Midnight Star Rick James and Mary

600
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 9: Jane Girls and I'll never forget this. Listen, there's a

601
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 9: crazy story, Kurt. If he hears the story, this is.

602
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: Gonna be my first time saying it. Because I want

603
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: to give I want to get quest.

604
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 7: I think, I think I know this is going because

605
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 7: Curtis told us the story about party time.

606
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: But go ahead, you tell me the story.

607
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: You did he do on the show?

608
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: On the on the show, Well, he told us a

609
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: story about doing it in d C.

610
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, because that's the go Go joint, that's the

611
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 5: Go Goo.

612
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, oh yeah he did, but he just talked

613
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 6: about performing it. It probably ain't the same story.

614
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: Right, but go ahead, Oh man, I hope I don't.

615
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: I don't want to get mad. But here's the deal.

616
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: So of course we did the song basketball.

617
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 9: We co wrote that actually and played on that with

618
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 9: him be all the time.

619
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: When we went on the road, Oh.

620
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 9: Lord, when we went on the road, Kurt. This was

621
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 9: the same time New Edition was starting to get really

622
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 9: popular and they just came out with their first album

623
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 9: and they was the opening act, and then after them Curtis,

624
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 9: then Midnight Star, Mary Jane Girls, Rick James, and.

625
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: This particular night man.

626
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 9: The promoter said, all right, Curtis, you're going to open up,

627
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 9: oh this night, and he was pissed.

628
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: Now. They talked about this some kind of way in

629
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 4: the New Edition mini series. Oh man, Kurt, don't get

630
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 4: mad because Curtis, you know, back this was back then,

631
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: so so upset. And remember we're unknown, but we're cool.

632
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: But he's pissed off. So he's so pissed off.

633
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 9: He's pissed off a new Edition even though it wasn't

634
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 9: New Editions idea for him to.

635
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: Right, and he did not.

636
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 9: He was so he said, man, they should have some

637
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 9: damn respect. They don't have no respect for me.

638
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: And he was pissed now. So then he said to

639
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: us the man, oh lord, he said, okay, this is

640
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do. Man, open up.

641
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 9: When we walk out of this dressing room, we're gonna

642
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 9: walk right past their dressing.

643
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: Room and we're gonna say it soon as we soon

644
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 4: we leave there, I want all of us to say,

645
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: Mothers from Ballston. And it was like it was like

646
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: a chant.

647
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 9: And and he said, y'all with me, and and and in.

648
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: My mind, I'm like, but I like New Edition.

649
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 12: But we we kind of liked him, oh well, And

650
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 12: and we all We all said it as we left

651
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 12: the dress room.

652
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 9: We were just all saying it like a chant, going

653
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 9: past the damn dress room, right up until the stage.

654
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: And then he quiet us down from saying it. And

655
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: I remember it like it was yesterday. It was crazy,

656
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: but that was back then. Kurt's a whole different guy now.

657
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, of course we following suit. We did

658
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: what we had to do, and that was it.

659
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: And was there ever a full force new addition, wait,

660
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: new audition for force collaboration?

661
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: Well, on the basketball court, basically, we used to play

662
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: a lot of We used to play a lot of

663
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 4: games against them, and then after they got tired of

664
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: beating us, they said to us, yo, man, since you

665
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: can't beat us, we might as well join y'all. And

666
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: then they became part of our celebrity basketball team that

667
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: played up. Oh yeah, we played against our senior hall

668
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: Denzel Washington, and there was Mike Bimins and Ronnie Debo

669
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: that played with us. Oh I know, MIKEL. Knight played

670
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: with us. He could bawl his ass off. Dondre Whitfield,

671
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: ecstasy from Udini, may he rest in peace, Graham ask

672
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: d Man. Those were our teammates.

673
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 9: Man, and it was crazy, you know, the games we

674
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 9: used to have against so many different people, the full

675
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 9: Force all Stars we called ourselves.

676
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: Hey, on those Curtis Blow records.

677
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 7: Did you guys ever have any interaction or work with

678
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 7: Larry Smith at all?

679
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: Yes, the legendary Larry Smith.

680
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard for.

681
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, people that work with him direct. Yeah.

682
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

683
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 7: Can you tell us about like his just him in

684
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 7: general and like his his work.

685
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, Larry Man, he was a genius. You know,

686
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: he played the guitar, of course, but he was just

687
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: a genius songwriter and in the in the studio, he

688
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: was just really a workaholic and he always wanted stuff

689
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: to get right. And he was like Russell Simmons, like go.

690
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 9: To guy, you know what I mean, a lot of

691
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 9: times with one DMC, with Houdini, you.

692
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 4: Know, with Curtis Blow. Larry was like a staple and

693
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: he and he and he knew his music, you know

694
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: what I mean.

695
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 9: And if and if anybody says, oh, Larry's not like that, no,

696
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 9: it is like that.

697
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: It is like that.

698
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 9: It's always Larry's way, no matter what. And and he

699
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 9: didn't want to hear nothing.

700
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: So that's the respect you build up. So if anybody's like,

701
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know Larry's doing it right,

702
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: they don't say it to him. They say to themselves

703
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: amongst other people think Larry's right.

704
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: Why did I say, no?

705
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: This is it? I'm telling you, hilarious.

706
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: Guy working with quest left. Okay, I get it. Okay.

707
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 7: Another question I've been dying to ask you.

708
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: You you all right?

709
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 7: You just gotta you just gotta come out and tell

710
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 7: me the truth. Now I'm skipping to u TFO. Were

711
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 7: those cuts on the Leader of the Pack and especially

712
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 7: the fade out on rock Sande Roxanne?

713
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: Were those real from doctor Ice or from from Mixed

714
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 3: Master Ice?

715
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 7: Or do you guys just sample come on now it's

716
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 7: too perfect and too executed, or did you sample those

717
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 7: sounds because.

718
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: It's too perfect? Those are cuts? Those are those are

719
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: Mixed Master Ice?

720
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 9: No, for real, Seriously, I wish my brother b Pharm

721
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 9: was here because b Fine is the one that orchestrated

722
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 9: all of that and with mix Master, and he always

723
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 9: told mix Master because he was definitely the first DJ

724
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 9: in hip hop, I don't I don't know who else

725
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 9: came before him that would play like a musical instrument

726
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 9: when he scratched on a lot of songs. No DJs

727
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 9: was doing that, but being that Be was a musician

728
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 9: and he was a drummer as well, he would he

729
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 9: orchestrated over and he arranged what mixed master would do,

730
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 9: you know, and mixed master cutting up and scratching on

731
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 9: on many of those songs, which a lot of DJs

732
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 9: didn't do at the time at all.

733
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 7: Another thing that you guys should be credited for was

734
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 7: really the first time that we heard an actual authentic

735
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 7: break beat on record. I mean, before then, drum machines

736
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 7: would often or a lot of drummer if you and

737
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 7: the sugar Hill Enjoy era, it was often the music background.

738
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 7: But you know, the first time that I heard what

739
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 7: we coined the term a break beat was using Billy

740
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 7: Squire's Big Beat for the Educated Rappers versus on Roxanne Roxanne.

741
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 7: Can you just explain that just the whole Well, first

742
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 7: of all, even before we get to that, who taught

743
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 7: you guys, or who do you credit as your teachers

744
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 7: for learning how to craft songs and produce songs or

745
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 7: was it just trialing the era all the time before?

746
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: And then utfos where you perfected it.

747
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would definitely say utfos where we perfected. It

748
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: was trial and era on some of the things.

749
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 9: But once we started uh producing UTFO and I got

750
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 9: to give like really shout out to my brother be Fine, a,

751
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 9: Kurt Baby, Jerry, the musicians of the group and even

752
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 9: Shy Shy, but they were the brainstorms with actually putting

753
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 9: together the musical stuff. And you're right question and thanks

754
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 9: thanks for that because a lot of times we don't

755
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 9: get that credit. I mean, I'm a modest brother, but

756
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 9: I love to get credit where credit is due, and

757
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 9: sometimes it's not due to us. But yeah, that was

758
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 9: like one of the first like samples heard a breakat

759
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 9: exactly like ever in a record. And then after we

760
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 9: did it on Rock Sande, we did it on our

761
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 9: own song Unselfish Lover, which was the first time a

762
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 9: breakbeat was used in a in a record, a song,

763
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, exactly so, and so that

764
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 9: was trial and ever, and plus we were, you know,

765
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 9: we had the soul of hip hop anyway growing up

766
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 9: in Brooklyn and and and performing it in Harlem and

767
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 9: the Bronx.

768
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: We were a local group and we always wanted to

769
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 4: fuse the hip hop and R and B together and

770
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: sampling the Billy Squire thing. Nobody's ever done that before.

771
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: You've heard the big beat on many parties and hip

772
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 4: hop parties and stuff like that, but never on record,

773
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: you know, and that was a big thing. And and

774
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: plus the fact that the late great Educator Rap had

775
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: the illus rap on that whole Roxanne.

776
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I memorized that shit before me like it was

777
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 7: mine in the ninth grade. Well, okay, The reason why

778
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 7: I asked that question is because mostly the stories that

779
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 7: I hear from any luminary in the eighties when it

780
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 7: comes to production, with the exception of Marley Maul, most

781
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 7: of the stories I hear is that, you know, most

782
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 7: hip hop productions of rush job. And you know, maybe

783
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 7: a rare example like Public and Met would do pre

784
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 7: production in a studio where they have time to be

785
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 7: creative and time to think of new sounds and whatnot.

786
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 7: But nine times out of ten, you're going to a studio,

787
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 7: you got like two to three hours to figure out

788
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 7: what you're going to do, and then it's.

789
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: A rush job and you're out of there.

790
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 7: But that song's pretty I mean, your production, no matter

791
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 7: how sparse it was, was fairly intricate, So I would

792
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 7: I would figure that it would take more than just

793
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 7: two to three hours to slap something together.

794
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: So like, yes, what was the.

795
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 7: The production process, Like as far as you guys coming

796
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 7: up with ideas and you know, you guys infuse like

797
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 7: humor and skits and all these things that I figured

798
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 7: would take at least five to seven hours to to

799
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 7: sort of come up with. But in that time period,

800
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 7: did you guys have the time in the studio to

801
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 7: do those things?

802
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 9: Or Yeah, when we was in the studio, we would

803
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 9: do a lot of like like you know, like you'd

804
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 9: call it like like if you're acting, you do dress rehearsal,

805
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 9: or you would do rehearsing. We would go in the

806
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 9: studio and not necessarily make the final recording of the joint.

807
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 9: We would do all of our ideas, then come up

808
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 9: with the ideas, and then after we finish.

809
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: Okay, y'all, well, just we'll be back here tomorrow to

810
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: finish it off. So it was never a rush thing

811
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: with us.

812
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 9: We definitely took our time with all the songs and

813
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 9: the intricacies of it, and we'd plan and sometimes we

814
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 9: get the ideas right then and there amongst ourselves.

815
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: But a lot of times.

816
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 9: Things could be pre planned as well, but by getting

817
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 9: them in the studio first and foremost.

818
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: Okay, now, what should also be noted?

819
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 7: And I think a person had to been alive at

820
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 7: the time, So I will say that probably one of

821
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 7: the very first instances of what we'll say is is

822
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: pre viral culture. Now, of course you know when something's done,

823
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 7: it can go viral instantly and spread in milliseconds. But

824
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 7: to be alive at the time when Roxanne Roxanne was out, Oh, thank.

825
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 5: You for talking about this.

826
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 6: I was waiting for this because yeah.

827
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 7: Like it was just it was just one of the

828
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 7: it was well, yeah, exactly like you were sixteen at

829
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 7: the time it came out.

830
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: I just I was like, who is the real Rockstan?

831
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's too confused.

832
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 7: Well, one one I want to know is who who

833
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 7: who was the conceptualizer of Roxanne Roxane? How did you

834
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 7: get pair with UTFO and how much control did you

835
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 7: guys have over the entire Roxanne phenomenon, because there were

836
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 7: there were at least nine to eleven answer records of

837
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 7: various Roxannes doctor Roxanne's kind of collogists.

838
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me tell.

839
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: Me it was a man.

840
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: There is every every sort of record.

841
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: Well there was no rock stands, a guy in the

842
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 4: College's quest.

843
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: Well it was a lot.

844
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: Right, You are right, my brother. There was actually.

845
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 9: Twenty five over twenty five answer back records to so.

846
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: So it started the first this crazy.

847
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah exactly.

848
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 9: So what happened was with utfoll in the beginning, My my,

849
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 9: what happened is that how they formed first is that

850
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 9: there's there's four members of UTF of course, Sir Doctor Ice,

851
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 9: Kango Kid, the Educated Rapper, May Rescue Peace and mixed

852
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 9: mass of Ice to DJ. So what happened is that

853
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 9: my brother B was going was going to uh going

854
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 9: to to a to a junior high.

855
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: School because he was in high school. And he was

856
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: going there because somebody was messing around with his girlfriend

857
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 4: at the time. Somebody was like bothering her and teasing

858
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: her and everything, and it was Kango Kid. Okay, so

859
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: Mike cues of coach Jam knew Kango Kid, and she

860
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: kept complaining to my brother B, fun you this guy

861
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: keep bothering me, picking at me and bothering me. He said, Okay,

862
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: I'm going up to school. I'm gonna fuck him up.

863
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 4: I'm just going up to your school. We're just going

864
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: bus his ass, see, Okay, So he talked to Mike.

865
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 9: He was a coach Jam because just before Mike became

866
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 9: a coach JAM And Mike said, yeah, I know. I

867
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 9: know Kango, whose real name is Sean for queer, so

868
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 9: I know him. So yeah, I want you to take

869
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 9: me to him now, I want to see him.

870
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: Okay.

871
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 9: Took him to the school and he was going there

872
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 9: to literally getting Kango's face and busses ass for messing

873
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 9: with his girl. So what happened is that Mike said, oh,

874
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 9: he's right there, So he pointed to Kango, and Kango

875
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 9: was on stage during a talent show an auditorium and

876
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 9: he was dancing. He was popped, locking and killing it,

877
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 9: and my brother b was looking like in amazement, exactly.

878
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 9: All right, Mike, Man, I'm gonna go.

879
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: Man, I kind of see enough. Just tell him. Tell

880
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: him first of all that I came the buses ass,

881
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: but he can. He's dancing real good, So I want

882
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: to talk to him.

883
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 9: So you get his number, give my number and we'll connect,

884
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 9: all right, And then my brother be just left.

885
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: He left, and Mike cues told Kango when he was

886
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 4: finishing everything and came back, he said, Yo, man, did

887
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: you see the guy that was next to me, you

888
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: know there standing at me. Yeah, it's a big nigga.

889
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: Many's that's so. Yeah, man, he came here to kick

890
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: your ass.

891
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 9: That's a boy, that's a men's boyfriend, and he came

892
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 9: here to bust your ass. He said, word, yeah, word,

893
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 9: But you danced real good.

894
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: So he wants to have a meeting.

895
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 9: He wants to have a meeting with you. That's what happened.

896
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 9: We met with Kango brought in Doctor Ice. They danced

897
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 9: for us because we used to do local shows and

898
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 9: they did. They would have They were like the first

899
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 9: one to do all the pop a lot because remember

900
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 9: remember when the hip hop started and they used to

901
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 9: always have dancers on the stage with them.

902
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 4: All the rappers would have dances. Kango Kid and Doctor

903
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 4: Ice was the first dancers to dance for a rap group,

904
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: which was Houdini. They were the first ones.

905
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 9: But they started with us dancing on our shows and

906
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 9: we would bring them on ahead of y'all and and

907
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 9: we was impressed with them.

908
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: And then b said you know, and then can't said,

909
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: yo be you know, we could rap.

910
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 9: Also so Ya could rap said, yeah, they got educated

911
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 9: rapper and they formed the Raptriot.

912
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: They came. They kind of.

913
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 9: Auditioned for b he says, Yo man, y'all are dope.

914
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 9: And then they got mixed mass of ice and made

915
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 9: them a group. And then Steve Salem may he rest

916
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 9: in peace. Steve Salem who went to college with me.

917
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 9: He was our co manager. He's the one that took

918
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 9: us and the group to select records. Who was never

919
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 9: a hip hop label at the time. They just was

920
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 9: a regular label. And we went there to record records

921
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 9: because if it wasn't for Steve Salem, we would never

922
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 9: be writers and produce.

923
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: Since we was only looking for.

924
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 9: A deal for Full Forces to performance. I didn't give

925
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 9: a shit about writing and producing for other people. I

926
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 9: just didn't, and I'm glad I was voted out. But

927
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 9: Steve Salem said, listen, if you guys, because we was

928
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 9: getting our demos turned down, left them right anyway. He said,

929
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 9: I think if you guys write and produce for other people,

930
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 9: I think then Full Force would get a deal of

931
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 9: its own. This was his gut and he was right

932
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 9: because the first production was UTFO.

933
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: Then Lisa Lisa and coach jam Real rock Sand and

934
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: then we got our deal. But the rock Sand rock

935
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 4: Sande they became. And here's the thing. We had a

936
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 4: song for hanging out.

937
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 9: That's that's supposed to be the A side, right single.

938
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 9: But my brother B just woke up and he said, yo, man,

939
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 9: I came up with an idea, a concept, and let's

940
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 9: just put it on the B side.

941
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: It was like a throwaway idea.

942
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 9: And he's the one I said, I would have called

943
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 9: rock San rock Sand. He just picked the name because

944
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 9: he liked the name. He said it worked for the police.

945
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 9: He went to UTFO he said, Yo, we're gonna do

946
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 9: a B side. We're gonna call it rock Stane, rock Sande.

947
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 9: Here's the concept I want you guys to be. You

948
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 9: guys are gonna be uh fighting over a girl and

949
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 9: none of y'all will get the girl because you know,

950
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 9: back in those times, you know all the rappers got

951
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 9: the girl. My brother said, it's going to be nobody

952
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 9: gets the girl and each of y'all come up with

953
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 9: your own rap. What was so dope about the song

954
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 9: is that be also came up with the concept, which

955
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 9: was never done on record before.

956
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 4: Each rapper had their own separate beat.

957
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 9: The rapper had big beat and Kango had his own beat.

958
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 9: Doctor of his own beat that we that full force created,

959
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 9: of course, except for the big beat.

960
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 4: Actually Kango mightangle might have created his own beat as well.

961
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: But that's how that record was warm and it was

962
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: just a throwaway record to be on the B side.

963
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 4: And what happened is that even though we was promoting

964
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 4: hanging Out, all of a sudden, here comes this DJ

965
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: from New York City playing the wrong side, which were

966
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 4: at the time, and it was DJ Red Alert playing

967
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 4: playing Playing, Playing rock Sand Rock Sand, and we were pissed.

968
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: Could you believe that? We got upset in the beginning,

969
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: and we called Red at his house and we're like,

970
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: you're Red and we woke them up. Yeah, what yo,

971
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 4: you're playing the wrong side. Don't play that. You gotta

972
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: play the A side.

973
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 9: The A side is hanging out, said yo, man, I

974
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 9: like the B side, I know, but that's not the

975
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 9: A side.

976
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 4: Well it should be nast I playing the B side.

977
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: And the radio DJ was born, thank you on.

978
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 9: The side and he stuck to that. The radio station

979
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 9: let him do it. And let me tell you something,

980
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 9: that song caught on like Wildfire before all the Answer

981
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 9: Back records.

982
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: That song was just huge. It was big, it was.

983
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 9: It was in top ten Billboard magazine and the R

984
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 9: and B charts, one on the rap charts.

985
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: So we were blown away. And then after the hot,

986
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 4: after the success and was doing great, along comes this fourteen,

987
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: thirteen year old Brett rock Sales revenge.

988
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 5: So she was after See that's why I was always confused.

989
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 9: Okay, so that's why they called it rock Sands.

990
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 5: Revenge done all right, d I was five blue, Okay, I'm.

991
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 7: There's a one to the left of that five. You're

992
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 7: fifteen anyway. The magic the magic of Rocks, you're right,

993
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 7: the Magic of Roxanne. Roxanne was also members the first

994
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 7: self deprecating song, so you know it showed it kind

995
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 7: of put hip hop in a everyman position, like, oh.

996
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: That could happen to me. That always happens to me.

997
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 7: I get rejected by a girl, right and you know,

998
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 7: you know what it's hit me right now. When Rick

999
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 7: Rubin was on our episode, I gave him credit for

1000
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 7: sort of helming the song format in hip hop. But

1001
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 7: it just hit me that you got that Utfo's album

1002
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 7: predated LL's Radio, which it was unheard of at the

1003
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 7: time for a hip hop song to be under five minutes,

1004
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 7: because you know, in the era of sugar Hill and

1005
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 7: club records and they're not being a lot of hip

1006
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 7: hop records, you would make them as long as possible

1007
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 7: so that you can keep the party going. But I mean,

1008
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 7: at the time, did you guys think that you were

1009
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 7: doing something revolutionary by making these you know, sixteen bar

1010
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 7: maybe twenty four bar versus with a chorus and a

1011
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 7: second verse and a third verse, which was absolutely unheard

1012
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 7: of then, Like even a radio song like the Message

1013
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 7: and it's like that, but I Run DMC was like

1014
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 7: seven minutes and fifty seconds. But damn, these songs were

1015
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 7: one of the very first single length hits.

1016
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: Like was that a conscious decision?

1017
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: That was a.

1018
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 9: Conscious decision because you know, we always invogued our so

1019
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 9: in it, so like if you have a rock Sand

1020
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 9: Rock Sanne song, we would do the full force harmonies

1021
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 9: Roxanne ro Sand. We always wanted to throw a singing

1022
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 9: in a lot of the records, and we always made it,

1023
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 9: like you said, uh, not to be so super long

1024
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 9: because and we was wrong with the super long songs

1025
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 9: like the Message and everything like that.

1026
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: But we was consciously making it so it could be uh, you.

1027
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 9: Know, digestible, especially because we loved hearing the song on

1028
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 9: regular commercial radio as well, because the hip hop stations

1029
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 9: played anything, even it was ten minutes. He was conscious

1030
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 9: of that for all the different songs, especially that first

1031
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 9: album you know, and and Kango Kid was we call

1032
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 9: him like a disciple of ours so much because he

1033
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 9: loved the production and stuff. He came up with that

1034
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 9: idea to fairy Tale level, which was the first time

1035
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 9: a rap group.

1036
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 4: Sang sang.

1037
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, we did the backgrounds and the music, but Kango

1038
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 9: sang Doc sang even educated rappers sang on their mixed mass,

1039
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 9: but they did.

1040
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: And they used to perform that song.

1041
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 9: On tour and place would go crazy because they went

1042
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 9: on to new edition that was big.

1043
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was bigger than is this the end? Like

1044
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 7: that shit super big. Wait, it just hit me. There's

1045
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 7: there's a lot of firsts in your career, and it

1046
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 7: just hit me that you guys were also one of

1047
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 7: the first production teams to self promote if you will.

1048
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 7: People often credited to Puffy to self promote, but you know,

1049
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: the tag full force, get busy one time like that

1050
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 7: that could have been the very first hashtag.

1051
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 3: Whose idea was it?

1052
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 7: To always you guys were always spicing up all of

1053
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 7: your productions with your your your production tag, like your

1054
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 7: own commercial.

1055
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: Whose idea was that?

1056
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 9: I mean, I would have to say that was all

1057
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 9: about ideas. I mean, and you're right question, thanks a lot, man,

1058
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 9: I mean.

1059
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: Wow, you're right.

1060
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 9: We did that on our own because we knew, like

1061
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 9: back in the day, a lot of producers, you know,

1062
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 9: before us, I would say, Terry and Jimmy, they started

1063
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 9: getting ood already they had their own style to just

1064
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 9: the address. But we said, you know, we want to

1065
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 9: make sure the producers get props in these and in.

1066
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: These songs like us.

1067
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 9: So we would be like Alfred Hitchcock on a lot

1068
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 9: of our own productions, you know, Albert Hitchcock. Yes, so unders,

1069
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 9: but we'd make ourselves assuming, you know, and we would

1070
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 9: give give those tags like full force get busy when

1071
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 9: the time was the idea of Paul Anthony, first time

1072
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 9: anybody said get busy.

1073
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 4: And I'll never forget.

1074
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 9: We went to a new addition, not new addition, new

1075
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 9: kids on the Block concert.

1076
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: They were such big fans of ours, and we was

1077
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 4: like on the backstage and and we was not backstage.

1078
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 9: It was like on the side stage because Maurice Star

1079
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 9: came and put us on the side.

1080
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: And then they was the new kids were black kept

1081
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 4: looking at us to the side. And then Donnie Wahlberg,

1082
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this.

1083
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 9: He just stopped after after this last song, and he said,

1084
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 9: you know, I just want to make mention here. There's

1085
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 9: a bunch of guys is here right now that we

1086
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 9: look up to because in Boston the biggest Full Force

1087
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 9: record at the time was Unselfish Lover that we did

1088
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 9: right and and and he said to the crowd, all

1089
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 9: those all those white girls and white white what he

1090
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 9: said to them, there's some guys in this business now,

1091
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 9: y'all might hear our senior Hall say let's get busy.

1092
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: But let me tell you who coined that frame exactly. Yeah,

1093
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: he said this.

1094
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 9: He said, it's a bunch of guys. They go by

1095
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 9: the name of Full Force. And we got some of

1096
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 9: the members here right now. And I want y'all to

1097
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 9: give a big rousing No, he said, I want you

1098
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 9: guys to repeat after me and say this loud.

1099
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: I want y'all to.

1100
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 9: Say, full Force get busy one time and I'm gonna

1101
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 9: bring them out.

1102
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 4: You all ready, here we go.

1103
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 9: And they said it loud on these white kids, and

1104
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 9: it's crazy. And here we all walking on stay. They

1105
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 9: didn't never knew us from and they clapping and screaming

1106
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 9: for us.

1107
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: And Donnie's hugging us.

1108
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 9: That was our first time meeting, meeting new kids hugging us,

1109
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 9: hugging us, and and he said, these are the guys

1110
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 9: that corner phrase.

1111
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 4: These guys are popular producers.

1112
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 9: And he was basically doing like a bio giving us

1113
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 9: flowers there on that stage. And then and then we

1114
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 9: then he said, okay, now we're gonna close it out, y'all.

1115
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: Y'all, y'all remember the song. Y'all know the hook? Y'all

1116
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: remember the hook? Oh?

1117
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: Oh?

1118
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 9: Then we all on stage doing that, bringing the hook

1119
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 9: with new kids on the block because they were fans

1120
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 9: of ours, with the whole self promotion. And you're right,

1121
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 9: we said, full force, get busy one time on the

1122
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 9: song unfaithful, don't even.

1123
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 4: Try it, full force, don't buy it.

1124
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 9: A lot of our records, like on Temporary Love Thing

1125
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 9: before it over, I go it shure us.

1126
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 4: My name is bow Legged Lou. I'm bah bah bah

1127
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: and we would do the B sides quest like we

1128
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 4: used to do.

1129
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 9: Skits on the side. We were doing skits before Daylight Soul.

1130
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 9: I know I and I made it in.

1131
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 4: Theater, but I would have my fun on the east side.

1132
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: So we would do song like Unselfish Lover, and on

1133
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 4: the B side we go, it's okay, It's okay. It

1134
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 4: was like a whole.

1135
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 9: Skit, and and we said our names and everything and

1136
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 9: just let you know that we wanted to make sure

1137
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 9: we got our credit as producers as well.

1138
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: When we did the first Lisa Lisa song, I Wonder

1139
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 4: If I Take You Home, we made a conscious decision.

1140
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: I said, listen, guys, we're singing on this. We're doing

1141
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 4: the background vocals, we're doing the music.

1142
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 9: So just for the first album and the first single,

1143
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 9: it's not going to be Lisa, Lisa and Cold Jam. No,

1144
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 9: it's going to be Lisa, Lisa and Coach Jam with them.

1145
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 3: I have a question to ask you. I have a question.

1146
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 7: Okay, the whole world, of course, Love Supremes knows that

1147
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 7: I am the the authority on everything Soul Trained. So

1148
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 7: I have this question to ask you the very first

1149
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 7: time you guys, Well, first of all, I would assume

1150
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 7: that in eighty five, appearing on Soul Train would have

1151
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 7: been like a major bucket list moment, and based on

1152
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 7: the relationship that you and the camaraderie that you guys

1153
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 7: had with Don Cornelius on the show, that that meant

1154
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 7: something to you. But I always wanted to know the

1155
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 7: very first time that you guys appeared on Soul Train,

1156
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 7: you guys were never announced by sib McCoy on the

1157
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 7: top of the show. You kind of just came in

1158
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 7: as special guests. This is when you guys, did I

1159
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 7: believe Alice? You did Alice the first time and you

1160
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 7: weren't credit? Were you guys ever disappointed? Do you know

1161
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 7: what I mean by announce? You know the top of

1162
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 7: the show when sim McCoy announces Soul Trained, the Hippis

1163
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 7: Trip in the America with guest starts full fourth and

1164
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 7: the Soul Trade Dancers. I always wonder why they never

1165
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 7: had you guys at the top of the show, like

1166
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 7: you guys were just announced as as a matter of fact.

1167
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 7: But I always wanted to know, did you Were you

1168
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 7: guys even aware of that or well I.

1169
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 9: Wasn't aware, but the first time, but now the first

1170
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 9: time we performed as Full Force, the group by ourselves,

1171
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 9: we did Unselfished.

1172
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: Lover and then doing the interview exactly. That was one

1173
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: of my favorite moments ever.

1174
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Dona tried to stop it after a while,

1175
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: but then we ended it because he kept saying all right,

1176
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: all right, and everybody was cool with that.

1177
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 9: But before that, and I think they announced us at

1178
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 9: the top of the show for that particular show, but

1179
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 9: before Unselfished Lover by Full Force.

1180
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 4: The first time we appeared on there was with Lisa, Lisa,

1181
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: me and Paul and we performed all Yeah. That was

1182
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 4: the very first time it was on Soultrae. I don't

1183
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,479
Speaker 4: think we were announced, and I think was just.

1184
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 7: Even then, you weren't announced at the top, right, just

1185
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 7: not even coached him.

1186
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 3: Right.

1187
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, you're the only artist I know

1188
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 7: whose first two appearances on Soul Train were never announced

1189
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 7: by sim McCoy. I consider an honor, at least if

1190
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 7: I were making music at the time that if Sid

1191
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 7: McCoy says your name with this golden voice, that's sort

1192
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 7: of like that's the thumbs up thing. And you guys

1193
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 7: didn't get that moment until your third time on the

1194
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 7: show when you guys were promoting a Guess Who's coming

1195
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 7: to the crib and love us for suckers and all that.

1196
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 6: But I just want to go back because you mentioned

1197
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 6: this real fast. But I'm trying to figure out how

1198
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 6: you had the time because you said you met Steve

1199
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 6: in college and you were you were a theater major.

1200
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 5: When what school? And talk can you just talk about

1201
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 5: like being a theater major and what that did for

1202
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 5: the crime.

1203
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I went to Kingsburg Community College for two years,

1204
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 9: Brooklyn College for the other two years, and a major

1205
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 9: in theater.

1206
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 4: Because it's a teacher of minds high school.

1207
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 9: Nay Miss McKinley, she like really inspired me to do acting,

1208
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 9: and I was like, I.

1209
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 4: Was always crazy and it's still crazy to this day.

1210
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 4: And I always loved the acting.

1211
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 9: And when I major in theater, it was a big

1212
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 9: deal because it was a predominantly white school and they

1213
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 9: were so serious with all their productions, and I was

1214
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 9: in every one of their productions.

1215
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 13: Even plays that I hated, like Medea and Shakespeare Young,

1216
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 13: but I still wanted to be on stage and audition

1217
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 13: for every play and that's what I did, and I

1218
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 13: brought that and before that, I used to do little

1219
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 13: plays with my brothers in our home and the audience

1220
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 13: used to be family members like my mother followed.

1221
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 9: We do little plays that I would write, just bullshit plays,

1222
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 9: nothing big, and then.

1223
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: We do this, do that, and my brothers hated it,

1224
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: but they still did it. And we were young, and

1225
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: that's where our chemistry grew, the three of us to

1226
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 4: have the chemistry to go on and pursue what we

1227
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 4: were doing, you know. But of course I want to

1228
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 4: go back what you said about Don Corneus. I know

1229
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 4: that you are such a soul, trained a fiction scenario

1230
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 4: and educated, and I heard you was gonna do something

1231
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 4: on Broadway. Please put me down even from the usher

1232
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: in there, I don't care because I when I tell you,

1233
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: I love with my.

1234
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 9: Heart Don Corneus as a man, as a person, and

1235
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 9: I just love him and I'll never forget how, you know,

1236
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 9: I had his home number sell and I was like, Wow,

1237
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 9: Don Corneas, and then meeting him for the first time,

1238
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 9: and then we developed the chemistry that you could even

1239
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 9: see whenever we would come there.

1240
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 4: He would like any groups that we managed, like Cheryl Pepsi,

1241
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 4: Riley or the girl group Ex Girlfriend.

1242
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 9: He would always want to announce us to come on

1243
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 9: stage to like sort of take a bow or something

1244
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 9: like that after he finished interviewing them. Or sometimes I'll

1245
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 9: call him on his birthday, like I call people on

1246
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 9: their birthdays forever you do.

1247
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 4: I called people on their birthday just to say happy birthday.

1248
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 4: This is way before Facebook and social media. I got

1249
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 4: my old school calendar people's birthdays and I called him

1250
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: up and Don Corneis I always used to do that

1251
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 4: through the ups and the downs with people. I don't

1252
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 4: I don't care where they are in their career whatever.

1253
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 4: I just always like to reach out. And with Don Carneus, Man,

1254
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 4: it was just such a great thing to do. I'm

1255
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: able to get my ex girl, my ex my girlfriend

1256
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 4: at the time, she was doing a project on Soul Train,

1257
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: and I got her to interview Don on the phone

1258
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 4: just for her, and he did that for me.

1259
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 5: You know, he did your unsung that's rare too.

1260
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,959
Speaker 14: Along with Questlove who before meeting Quest, we just met,

1261
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 14: like he said, through the social media thing, and I

1262
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 14: reached out to him and asked.

1263
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 9: Would he be a part of our unsung man and

1264
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 9: Quest I'll never forget how you said, oh hell yeah, man,

1265
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 9: And you was just so great on the show. You

1266
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 9: gave us great props. And I'll never forget that, man.

1267
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 9: Doc Coneis never did Unsung ever. And keep in mind,

1268
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 9: when people did that show, a lot of their film,

1269
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 9: a lot of their clips from their performances used.

1270
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 4: To be them performing on so and so the ojas George,

1271
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 4: and they always wanted to get him, but he never

1272
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: never did it. I said, I would love to get

1273
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 4: Doc Corneius. They said, oh, he doesn't need to do it.

1274
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 9: We asked him all the time. He always says no,

1275
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 9: he doesn't care. I said, well, let me ask him. Well, well,

1276
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 9: we're not going to give you his number.

1277
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 4: I said, I gotta let me see if you do

1278
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 4: it for us. And I called him.

1279
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 9: Up and he said, all right, they've been asking me

1280
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 9: so many times, man, but you know.

1281
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: If I got to do it for somebody, I owe them.

1282
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 4: I got to do somebody to do. I'm going to

1283
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 4: do it for you, man, I'm going to do it

1284
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 4: for full force.

1285
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 9: And that was his last televised anything on on TV.

1286
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 9: And I have I have all the other footage because

1287
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 9: he was on much longer than what they edited, like

1288
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 9: maybe two or three bites. But I have the whole

1289
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 9: thing we've been talking about us and and he was

1290
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 9: supposed to come to the screening of that unsung episode

1291
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 9: in La he bought he got tickets, I mean not tickets,

1292
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 9: but he was going to be at a table and

1293
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 9: he didn't come for some reason.

1294
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 4: And then two days later, Wow, really blew me away.

1295
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 4: I was crying, man, like a baby. I was on

1296
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 4: the phone with Lee Bailey doing an interview with him,

1297
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 4: crying like a baby. Man.

1298
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 9: And we presented a plaque for Docreneers even though he

1299
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 9: wasn't there because we didn't know why he's lived, but

1300
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 9: we did a special dedication plaque for him there.

1301
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 4: I said, Donna's not here, but we want to do

1302
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 4: a special tribute for him. And I ended up.

1303
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 9: Giving the plaque to a Tony at Don's funeral. Great

1304
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 9: great man, great man, doctor soul train whatever, come on?

1305
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: Question? You know it was?

1306
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: It's the proper tarma Miras. Let Lou know you're a

1307
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 5: sole train of file. What's it called.

1308
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: Train of file? That doesn't sound right?

1309
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 15: Yeah, anyway, I'll say that, Uh, probably the other artist

1310
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 15: I've been dying an interview on the show, just so

1311
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 15: I can ask her this question.

1312
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 7: Is Uh, probably the artist that you've had the best

1313
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 7: success with. Did Lisa Lisa ever tell you what her

1314
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 7: first thoughts were when she auditioned for you guys?

1315
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was afraid.

1316
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: I was going to say, what was.

1317
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 7: The whole situation of you guys discovering Lisa Lisa and

1318
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 7: her coming to audition for you?

1319
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 3: How did you discover?

1320
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, my brother be Fine. He came up with

1321
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 4: the song I Wonder If I Take You Home? You know,

1322
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: he wrote the lyrics. I mean we added the little

1323
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 4: extra stuff with the arrangements and the vocals and stuff.

1324
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 4: But B came up with the concept.

1325
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 9: He wrote the lyrics, South Kurt Jerry, They all pitched

1326
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 9: in musically and everything like that.

1327
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 4: But it was Bee's Baby and.

1328
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 9: Now Be when he did that song and he did

1329
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 9: the reference vocal to it, which is horrible, but he

1330
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 9: did it anyway, I think so so horrible. But with that,

1331
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 9: with that song, it was so catchy and this was

1332
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 9: app This was like right after literally rock Sanne Roxanne

1333
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 9: started doing what it's doing. We was already craft in

1334
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 9: that so B wanted, no matter what, he wanted a

1335
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 9: Hispanic girl to sing that song. No black girl, just

1336
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 9: Hispanic I wanted a black girl to do it because

1337
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 9: Shoe Pepsi Riley at the time was my dear friend

1338
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 9: and I was in love with a voice, so I

1339
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 9: let her hear the demo would be bad singing on it.

1340
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 9: I said, listen, b wants a Spanish go do this,

1341
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 9: but I want you to do it. I want to

1342
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 9: sneak you in the studio and have you sing it

1343
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 9: and then surprise be. But she didn't like the song.

1344
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 9: She said she was loyal to a group at the time.

1345
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 9: But I remember playing it for her and her husband,

1346
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 9: and yeah, I don't think they liked it.

1347
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 4: But anyway, we wouldn't have heard.

1348
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 9: Anyway, he wouldn't have a kid. He wanted a Spanish

1349
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 9: girl to do it. So Mike cues it was auditioning girls.

1350
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 9: So Mike Houston coach jam He's the one that brought

1351
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 9: Lisa to us because they used to she was at

1352
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 9: the Funhouse, the Funhouse club in Manhattan where Madonna used

1353
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 9: to go to all the time. Lisa would be their

1354
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 9: partying and Lisa was young at the time, but Mike

1355
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 9: would see her there.

1356
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 4: I think she was seventeen or something like that, and.

1357
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 9: She he brought her to our basement in Brooklyn, so

1358
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 9: we could hear if she could sing.

1359
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 4: We loved her look automatically as soon as we saw her,

1360
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 4: we went, wow, I hope she could sing even a

1361
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 4: little bit.

1362
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 6: Her face and everything else, you know what I mean.

1363
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 4: And she was Hispanic.

1364
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 9: So at that time, there was no there's no Spanish

1365
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,959
Speaker 9: because there's no Puerto Ricans of Spanish girls doing doing

1366
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 9: anything and resembling dance, R and B and hip hop combo.

1367
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,479
Speaker 6: No not, that's before Gloria, right, That's what I didn't

1368
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 6: realize this more Glori.

1369
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: This was camera. This was before j Lowell. This is

1370
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 4: for Ricky Martin, before any Spanish person.

1371
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 3: Was was was what we know as freestyle?

1372
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: Freestyle?

1373
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 7: Was that was that on you guys's mind at the time,

1374
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 7: because I mean the only person I could tell that

1375
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 7: was like even trying to touch that was maybe Jellybean

1376
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 7: Benitez maybe like yeah, I mean, Shannon was sort of

1377
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 7: going there. But freestyle wasn't a defined genre. But were

1378
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 7: you guys trying to figure out how to corner that

1379
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 7: market or did you know that if you found someone

1380
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 7: of that level it could be big for the Latin

1381
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 7: LATINX market?

1382
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 9: Well, you know something that wasn't even bees reasoning. I

1383
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 9: didn't even hear the word freestyle until after we did Lisa.

1384
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 9: I mean, Shannon kind of did let the music play,

1385
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 9: and and b disclosed to me actually today that him,

1386
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 9: Curt and Jerry used to be in basement and they

1387
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 9: loved the sounds of John Roby and what's John Roby's

1388
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 9: other partner.

1389
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 4: That was author Baker, Arthur Baker.

1390
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 16: Yeah, they love those type of records and they would

1391
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 16: trying to emulate those type of records.

1392
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 4: So Shannon, who I think they let the music play.

1393
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 4: It wasn't called freestyle when she did it. And I'm

1394
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 4: thinking because she was black, because it wasn't until we

1395
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: did Lisa Lisa.

1396
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 9: Then other Spanish and Hispanic started popping out of nowhere,

1397
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 9: and that's where they coined the frame freestyle.

1398
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 5: So what made something freestyle?

1399
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 6: You?

1400
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I like, I'm in elementary school.

1401
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 7: What you know the sound of Stevie b Like, imagine

1402
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 7: the sound of like Planet rock, like.

1403
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: Not as fast, not quite as fast.

1404
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 7: It would be like New Jack swing, like adding are

1405
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 7: aren't adding sung vocals to a track that's break danceable?

1406
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 5: Okay, okay that the music play that.

1407
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: The music play is definitely it falls in that one.

1408
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let the music play kind of falls in

1409
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 4: that way.

1410
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, we like the sound, the sound of man tronics,

1411
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 7: the sound of the Latin rascals. Yeah, but all but

1412
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 7: Spanish was doing it.

1413
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 4: They weren't doing it at that time, you know, they

1414
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 4: weren't just doing it at the time. But when we

1415
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 4: brought out Lisa what can you feel the beat? And

1416
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 4: can you feel the beat?

1417
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, everybody started calling a freestyle and then you had

1418
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 9: people like Expose and all talking about and they called

1419
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 9: it freestyle because of the Spanish market, because of the

1420
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 9: Spanish artists.

1421
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 4: That's what we called.

1422
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 17: We started off with Lisa and b and and when

1423
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 17: Lisa came to audition to sing, she started singing songs

1424
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 17: that Mike choose from coach Jim wrote.

1425
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 4: So she was singing at a papella and they were hard.

1426
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 4: You know, Mike Cues was right that she was singing

1427
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 4: songs like to Dance and tune to Dance and we're like,

1428
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's horrible and it made us sound

1429
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 4: kind of shitty because of his songs.

1430
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 9: So so before she left, because we're like, oh, man,

1431
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 9: i don't think it's gonna work.

1432
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 4: Before she left, because we loved her look so much,

1433
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: Paul said, listen, Lisa, before you leave, can you sing

1434
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 4: us something that's more familiar, because all she was singing

1435
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 4: was Mike Cues' original corny songs, right that he knows that.

1436
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 4: So Lisa sang for us for Your Eyes Only by

1437
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 4: Sheena Easton and that's that's right. I know that song

1438
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 4: and that's all and that's all she wrote. And we

1439
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 4: did I wonder if I take you home with Lisa,

1440
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 4: And b was always to the fact that he didn't

1441
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 4: want Lisa to sound he didn't want whoever was gonna

1442
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 4: sing it. He didn't want like a pallor.

1443
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 5: That's why went to work.

1444
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 3: Yes, just.

1445
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 9: Other young girls, especially Hispanic girls, when they could sing alone, A.

1446
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 3: Girl next door, girl next door, Yeah.

1447
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 4: Exactly, And that was that was the genius of that.

1448
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 9: And when that song came out, it was crazy because

1449
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 9: we took it to an independent label who was doing

1450
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 9: a deal with Columbia Records Personal Records, which was run

1451
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 9: by Jurgen Jurgen k and Don Ariolo.

1452
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 4: And I remember Steve Salem and he rest in peace,

1453
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 4: and my brother be fine. And went there.

1454
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 9: They loved the song, but they wanted another singer. I

1455
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 9: think Jurgan's wife.

1456
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 4: What's her name? I forgot, but they wanted another singer,

1457
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 4: so so Be thought about it and and Steve and

1458
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 4: they said that we'll pass. And they said really, and

1459
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 4: we're here. Rape they give you like a little deal

1460
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 4: that we'll pass. And then they called the very next day,

1461
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 4: all right, we'll do it with Lisa, And that record

1462
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 4: appeared on a COMPI Lake Ship, which had songs like

1463
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 4: Buffalo Gal by Malcolm McClaren. Yeah, and that was the

1464
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: only new song on day. I wonder if I take

1465
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 4: you home, and let me tell you, that song took off,

1466
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 4: like wow. It blew us away because we were we

1467
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: were in England working with Samantha Fox. When we came

1468
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 4: back to New York, they were playing that ship in

1469
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: the clubs. I'm like, wait a minute, where did y'all

1470
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 4: get this? I'm like it was it was. It was

1471
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 4: ridiculous how that song just took off, you know, And

1472
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 4: and it took us so much from a compilation album

1473
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 4: that we were rushed to. The album was ready, but

1474
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 4: we just didn't finish the damn record. We had to

1475
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 4: hurry up and and do the album which we which

1476
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 4: we which we didn't finish, you know, but really.

1477
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. Wall. There's another question I have.

1478
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 7: Were you guys ever involved with little Tony Marsh Because

1479
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 7: in Phil her video Burnout song was like a heavily

1480
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 7: heavily played. It was heavily played like on our station

1481
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 7: Power ninety nine. And I know that like she was

1482
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 7: on that. I found someone for me sketch like she

1483
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 7: would do sketches with Lisa and whatnot. But did you

1484
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 7: guys ever produce little Tony Marsh as well?

1485
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 4: Or wow, she would She would love to hear you

1486
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 4: just say that, But dude.

1487
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 3: I lost my mind.

1488
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 7: I saw a posts from Lisa on IG and I

1489
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 7: happened to look at one of the comments and it

1490
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 7: wasn't Tony Marsh, but it was enough to make me.

1491
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 7: When I clicked and I saw the face, I was like,

1492
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 7: wait a minute, is this actual Tony Marsh? Like I

1493
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 7: lost my I didn't see the response, if she responded

1494
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 7: or not, but no, I definitely know who Marsh.

1495
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 9: Little little Tony Marsh is now going by the name

1496
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 9: of Tony Minaj and she is the she. Now wait

1497
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 9: the yeah, dad, that's what she closed us up, Tony Minaj,

1498
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 9: but she spells it differently m E N E.

1499
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 4: G E and she's let me tell you something.

1500
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 9: She is such a talented, talented singer, performer, She's incredible.

1501
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 4: She blew me away. I was so surprised. But she's

1502
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 4: now the personal manager for Lisa Lisa what yes? Now?

1503
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, because because what happens that Lisa was managed by

1504
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 9: this other girl, this other woman named Stephanie.

1505
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: Makes she rest in peace. But Stephanie was sort of

1506
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 4: a she blocked a lot of things. She for whatever reason,

1507
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 4: she didn't have much love for full force and whatever.

1508
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 4: Because we used to manage Lisa when Lisa was with us,

1509
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 4: we brought it ways amicably, like we're part of ways

1510
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 4: amicley with all our artists. But Tony Marsh was.

1511
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 16: A background singer for Lisa on first tour and that's

1512
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 16: how we knew Tony Marsh.

1513
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 4: But I remember video Berna. I'm like, wow, you did

1514
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 4: video Berna, and she did. She was with Lisa from

1515
01:15:54,280 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 4: then eighty eighty five, eighty six till now due vocal

1516
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 4: and everything like that.

1517
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, so little Tony Marsh had a there was a

1518
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 7: period in which like.

1519
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 3: It's on Apple Music, and so when Apple Music, that's crazy.

1520
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 7: See those are those are the type of songs where

1521
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 7: the vocals won't even start until the five minute mark.

1522
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 3: Okay, right, the intro. The intro is like three minutes

1523
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 3: video there.

1524
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 7: You know, Like there's a period, especially between like eighty

1525
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 7: three and eighty five, where like a lot of these

1526
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 7: weird novelty songs have come up, Like Irene Carrot had

1527
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 7: a song about break dancing. But little Tony Marsh's song

1528
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 7: was notable because it was about her addiction to going

1529
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 7: to the arcades, the playing video games.

1530
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 5: That's real. That was real in the eighties.

1531
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 3: Though.

1532
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 7: Oh hell yeah, man, you know, let my come home late. Yeah, yeah,

1533
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 7: late because I was at the arcade, I get in trouble.

1534
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 3: Wait, Lou, are.

1535
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 7: You at all ware of the Prince? You got the

1536
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 7: look story?

1537
01:16:59,320 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 4: No?

1538
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: I mean all right. I always wanted to know this.

1539
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 7: So there's there's there's a friend of mine who I

1540
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 7: guess at the time like she was kind of messing

1541
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 7: with Prince or whatever, and at the time she was

1542
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 7: like eighteen. So this is this is like nineteen eighty seven,

1543
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 7: this is when Spanish Fly is out, or this right

1544
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 7: before Spanish Fly.

1545
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 3: The second Lisa Lisa.

1546
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 7: Album comes out, and she's in the breakroom of his

1547
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 7: studio while he's recording what.

1548
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 3: We will know is Sign of the Times.

1549
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 7: And you know, because of the age difference, I mean,

1550
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 7: he's like at that time, he was like twenty seven,

1551
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 7: she's eighteen. She's more in tune to like younger stuff

1552
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 7: and really not you know, not on his level, you

1553
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 7: know of where music is. And so Robert Robert Plants

1554
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Robert Palmer's video for Addicted to Love comes

1555
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 7: on and she's like, oh, I really love this song,

1556
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 7: and Prince is like rolling his eyes, like really, that's

1557
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 7: that's I'm like, I'm fucking a gud here. This is

1558
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 7: what impresses you and so and so it was really

1559
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 7: getting under his skin, and he decided to like test her,

1560
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 7: like okay, so what do you like about this song?

1561
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 7: So well, you know, it has a good beat and

1562
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 7: da da da da da, and Princess like, no, you

1563
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 7: just like it because you just see a bunch of

1564
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 7: women faking playing instruments. But anybody could do that shit.

1565
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 7: I could do that shit. And so he wipes he

1566
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 7: he stops the song he's working on totally wipes the

1567
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 7: board there at Sunset Sound in La and he decides,

1568
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 7: he says, I'll tell you what, I'm going to create

1569
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 7: a song, and I bet you that the only reason

1570
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 7: why you like Addicted to Love is because it's on television,

1571
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 7: and you're just influenced because something's on television. But if

1572
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 7: something of better quality were in your face, you wouldn't

1573
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 7: even you couldn't even discern the difference. So basically, he

1574
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 7: created kind of you Gotta You Got the Look with

1575
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 7: a chip on his shoulder and he could pleats the

1576
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 7: song and.

1577
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 3: It winds up on Sign of the Times, and so

1578
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: he reminds the girl.

1579
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 7: He's like, all right, my third single is gonna be

1580
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 7: you Got to Look, And I bet you any amount

1581
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 7: of money now you're gonna like the song because it's

1582
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 7: going to be a big hit. So of course, You

1583
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 7: Got the Look comes out and it's slowly riding up

1584
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 7: the charts, and right when Prince is going to get

1585
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 7: cocky and be like, yeah, next week this is gonna

1586
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 7: be number one, lost, an emotion comes in wow and

1587
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 7: fus it up, and he was so angry at that

1588
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 7: shit because he's like, ah, you wrote the number two

1589
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 7: you didn't write No.

1590
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 3: Number one hit Lisa Lisa, and I like that song better.

1591
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 7: So it was like, is that a story?

1592
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 3: He told no her name?

1593
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 7: Okay, so what And you know Prince has a long

1594
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 7: line of muses, so kind of the.

1595
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 5: He's the only one who gets to call him that.

1596
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 18: I love it, I know, So that kind of the

1597
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 18: the the last mus of the the first phase of

1598
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 18: music is you know, which starts with Patrice Russian and

1599
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 18: Vanity and Sheila whatever her name was.

1600
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 3: I think he christened her uh and a fantastic.

1601
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 5: I can't he christened her Chris.

1602
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 3: He christened what's her name Carmen Electra.

1603
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 5: Like he gave her her name.

1604
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. He names all of his women. He's like,

1605
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 3: what's your name? No, that's not your name, you motherfucker.

1606
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 6: You so lucky you ain't living in twenty one.

1607
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 7: Oh so yeah, So basically he lost a vet because

1608
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 7: lost the emotion. Kind of she won won, but you

1609
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 7: beat him. But what I what I wanted to know

1610
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 7: was at least with the with the with the with

1611
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 7: the songwriting craft. You can definitely hear, especially on that

1612
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 7: second al them the Motown influence. Yes, you know, obviously

1613
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 7: you know, back, yeah, back in my Heart again and

1614
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 7: all that stuff for the for the second album, What

1615
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 7: was you guys' mind state in producing like her second album?

1616
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, our mindset was to kind of grow because

1617
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 9: you know when she came out, would take you home.

1618
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 4: And can't you feel the beat? You know, we didn't want.

1619
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 9: It to be because the record company, like going back

1620
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 9: to the first album, the record company did not want

1621
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,759
Speaker 9: to release or cried out at all. They just wanted

1622
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 9: to keep yeah, none at all.

1623
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 4: They just wanted to keep up tempo songs and just

1624
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 4: make least just this dance thing. They we did all

1625
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 4: cried out, but it's like no, no, So we had

1626
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 4: to fight them on that.

1627
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 9: And when it was a single, it was you know,

1628
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 9: the rest of the rest is history. But for for

1629
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 9: the Spanish Fly, we wanted to elevate. That's when that

1630
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 9: album was called.

1631
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 4: Just Lisa, Lisa and Coach Jam.

1632
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1633
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: The first album is called Lease Lisa Coach Jam with

1634
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: both of.

1635
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,879
Speaker 9: Us, but this one was just then and Paul started

1636
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 9: it off with head to Toe with the whole Supremes

1637
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 9: type vibe, and then b spearheaded the second one, Lost

1638
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 9: in Emotion and we added a lot of the old time.

1639
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 4: Things and elements to that song to to Lost.

1640
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 9: The emotion, head Zone, and it was the number one

1641
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 9: record back to back on the Pop Charge number one

1642
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 9: and on the R and B Charge number one, back

1643
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 9: to back. It's create that time, and Lisa didn't even.

1644
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 9: Lisa was so surprised. She was like, damn, they really

1645
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 9: liked this song I'm talking about to.

1646
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, she didn't know.

1647
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 6: Y'all didn't know was that y'all were creating music for

1648
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 6: a news genre of things for kids, which was let's

1649
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 6: go on the playground and create choreography and make our

1650
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 6: own dances based off of these songs.

1651
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 5: And that's the head Toe.

1652
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 6: I swear to god, that was the first time that

1653
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 6: across across all the playgrounds.

1654
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 7: Christy, that's when you said that light here, because I

1655
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 7: was going to say that I had to tew and

1656
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 7: and I remember there was a period like between had

1657
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 7: to tell you guys's second album with Old Flames Never

1658
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 7: Die and even with Loss in Emotion. Like I had

1659
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 7: a coworker at a job I used to work at

1660
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 7: who was like slightly older, so he's kind of like

1661
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 7: an uncle, and he was one of them guys that

1662
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 7: was like, see, man, they ain't nothing but Dinah Ross.

1663
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: Hey, nothing but sliding the family start.

1664
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 7: So I didn't even understand like what it meant to

1665
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 7: be derivative or that sort of thing of like. So

1666
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 7: he was like explaining to me, like, well, see this

1667
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 7: reference is you know, a sly reference that they did

1668
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 7: from this song. And then that's when I started to

1669
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 7: look for like kind of the anatomy of a song

1670
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 7: and how it comes from older songs that I never

1671
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 7: knew that before that moment. And that's when I realized,

1672
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 7: you guys really won older adults, Yeah, because you.

1673
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 3: Were speaking a new language.

1674
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 7: But you know, kid, right, you said kids got it

1675
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 7: and adults got it.

1676
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 3: That's yeah.

1677
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 7: So with your with you guys his own career, I

1678
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 7: believe that it wasn't the executive of Columbia Rodriguez what's

1679
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 7: his name?

1680
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 3: Ruben? Was?

1681
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 7: Was he sort of the not the product manager, but

1682
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 7: was he like the head an r. Was he the

1683
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 7: who was at the helm of running things as far

1684
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 7: as Full Force and Lisa.

1685
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 4: Lisa Caltaire and Pey because we were all in the

1686
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 4: same label and all part of the Full Force family.

1687
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 4: Ruben Rodriguez was the head of promotions, radio promotions. Cecil

1688
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 4: Holmes was hit of Urban A and R so was

1689
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 4: Locke and.

1690
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 7: Arnold Yo like I remember his name from like back

1691
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 7: at Captain Yeah Marvin and also doing the Silvers, doing

1692
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 7: Tabaris and all that.

1693
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,560
Speaker 4: What was Larkinn'd like? Larkin was very stern. He was

1694
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 4: just kind of a stern guys, very serious, no nonsense,

1695
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 4: and when we came on there and and it was

1696
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 4: actually his idea, we didn't like the idea.

1697
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 9: But a lot of times we always tell people that

1698
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 9: our first full fourth single was a song called Alice

1699
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 9: I Want you just for Me, but.

1700
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 4: It really wasn't.

1701
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 9: It was actually a song called girl if I Take

1702
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 9: You Home, which was and only because we had all

1703
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 9: that answer back stuff with UTFO, because there were so

1704
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 9: many answer back records to utfo's rock sand Roxanne that

1705
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 9: we even jumped on our own bandwagon and we were

1706
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 9: the ones to come out with the real rock sand

1707
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 9: So that was part of full Forces Stamp. I forgot

1708
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 9: to ask you, yeah, but Larkin wanted.

1709
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 4: Us, man, you think maybe you could do an answer back?

1710
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 4: I wonder if I take you Home? I'm like, are

1711
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 4: you serious?

1712
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 9: You said, yeah, I think it'll work and we did

1713
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 9: girl if I Take Girl, If I Take You Home,

1714
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 9: and we've had least to sing a little bit in there,

1715
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 9: and they didn't really do it that hot and like that.

1716
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 4: We didn't want to do it. But when we came

1717
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 4: out with Alice, you know, that was the show for us.

1718
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 4: But Lark and Arnold she was.

1719
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 7: Wait, wasn't a girl if I Take You Home? Or

1720
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 7: on the B side of the twelve inch?

1721
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 9: It was on a twelve inch and the other side

1722
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 9: was a song called Let's Dance Against the Wall.

1723
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 4: But Girl if I Take You Home was the first single.

1724
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 9: Alice was a was a single by itself with a

1725
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 9: lot of different OUs dub mixes and stuff like that

1726
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 9: on the no.

1727
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 7: No I was asking about because I know on the

1728
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 7: B side there was like a version of I Wonder

1729
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 7: if I Take You Home on Lisa's twelve inch, in

1730
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 7: which there might have been a rap kind of the

1731
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 7: way like if you remember Cameo She Strange, there was

1732
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 7: a She Shanes rap, but it was there was a and.

1733
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 3: The same for Atomic Dog.

1734
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 7: The B side of Atomic Dog was Atomic Dog rap

1735
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 7: on the B side of the twelve inch of Lisa Lisa.

1736
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 7: It was definitely what I assume were you guys's voices doing.

1737
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 4: A thing and you're writer.

1738
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 3: It's called take You Home rap, and so this is

1739
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 3: not the same song.

1740
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 9: No, And that was on Lisa Lisa album The Girl

1741
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 9: If I Take You Home was a whole different thing.

1742
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 9: And you know Lark and Arnold, you know he was

1743
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 9: he was a really no nonsense kind of dude and

1744
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 9: so no nonsense that he definitely crossed us a shot

1745
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 9: at being on the Crush Groove soundtrack. I mean the

1746
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 9: replacement song, of course was not shabby Terry LUs and

1747
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 9: Jimmy Jam. But but Russell Simmons when.

1748
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 4: They did Crush Grew because at the time, Russell Shimmons

1749
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 4: just came up with Death Jam to be be be

1750
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: part of Columbia Records, and you had a lot of

1751
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 4: black executives because Russell did to deal with, you know,

1752
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 4: the white power of this beast power the Beast and

1753
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 4: a lot of.

1754
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 9: The other black zayas were kind of feeling away. So

1755
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 9: Russell Simmons wanted our song Unselfish Lover with the big

1756
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 9: beat and everything. He wanted that to be the love

1757
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 9: scene when Blair Underwood and Sheila E. That's what he

1758
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 9: wanted he wanted that, and Lark and Arnold is like, no, no, no,

1759
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 9: it's just gonna be for the full Fust album.

1760
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 4: We was like, can it be in the movie? We

1761
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: were so excited that Russell wanted it, and Lock and

1762
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 4: all said no. So they ended up getting some They

1763
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 4: ended up getting some corny song like tend to Love

1764
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 4: by the.

1765
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Okay, so you said something.

1766
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 7: And now I got to get back to the physicality

1767
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 7: aspect of full force. Is there really such a thing

1768
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 7: as an executive being no nonsense? With the six of

1769
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 7: you guys in the room, they got to Now, I

1770
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 7: don't want to ask any pugilism.

1771
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 9: Questions, but but but I do want to know.

1772
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 3: And it could even be amongst yourselves, you guys.

1773
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 7: Have you guys ever had a situation where y'all had

1774
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 7: to go full Brooklyn on someone in real life, not

1775
01:28:59,280 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 7: in the movies.

1776
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 4: Okay, leave you all alone?

1777
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 3: Did they leave you all alone?

1778
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1779
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? Nobody fucked with us. Even though even though we

1780
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 4: had our gam curls, and even though Paul used to

1781
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 4: wear a little eyeliner and stuff like that, nobody fucked us.

1782
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 9: I'll never forget fat Man was a fat man Scoop. Yeah,

1783
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 9: fat mask Fat Man Scoop was told me. He said, Yo, man,

1784
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 9: I'm telling you.

1785
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 4: Growing up then, y'all had the Jerry curls and all

1786
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 4: of that stuff and stressed and crazy like princes sometimes

1787
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 4: but not even the hardest nigga back and they would

1788
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 4: want to fuck with y'all, and and everybody just gave

1789
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 4: us respect because we was on tour. We did the

1790
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 4: fresh Tress. We did a lot of fresh Tress. We

1791
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 4: were like the only useful act, but a lot of

1792
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 4: different fresh Fress things.

1793
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 9: And the only time we got we went full Brooklyn

1794
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 9: and didn't come to fighting, but we were kind of

1795
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 9: threatened sort of and was with uh when we was

1796
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,520
Speaker 9: on tour with Larry Blackman and cameo.

1797
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 4: And wow, yeah yeah.

1798
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 9: And what happened is that in our act, our act

1799
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 9: was a crazy, wild, full force act. And you know,

1800
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 9: at the time there was nobody in music like flexing,

1801
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 9: physical fitness, like nobody.

1802
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 4: It was just us with our droopy Jerry and everything.

1803
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 4: Paul and those shirts yes, oh.

1804
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah shirts and those pants.

1805
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 7: I think that you have yeah, you have a you

1806
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 7: have a shot of the pants right behind you in

1807
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 7: that photo microphone yeah, I had the pants with your

1808
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 7: hand on your oh yeah, yeah.

1809
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's like with some oh yeah yeah, with

1810
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 4: the hand and the crotch.

1811
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 3: And I thought that was a ry blackman move. I

1812
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 3: thought that was a cameo move.

1813
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 4: But good, no, we had that way before, way before.

1814
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 4: I was doing that. Okay, God love thing video.

1815
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 9: I got one with a microphone on there. But when

1816
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 9: we would do our shows, Paul at the end of

1817
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 9: the show, I would say, ladies, ladies.

1818
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 16: Before we go, many of y'all would love to see

1819
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 16: Paul Anthony take.

1820
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 9: It off, and they would they would go crazy because

1821
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 9: we would bring the strip of mentality.

1822
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 4: We bring the strip of mentality to the stage. Nobody

1823
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 4: did that either. Music SA I'll never forget Michael Beeves go, man,

1824
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 4: how do you like when people be, you know, fifty

1825
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 4: cents ellen they take off their shirt? I mean, y'all

1826
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 4: started that, you know, I.

1827
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 9: Said, well whatever, But but I remember when we take

1828
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 9: it off. Paul would take off his shirt and and

1829
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 9: you know, the women would go crazy. And then after that,

1830
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 9: I would say, wait a minute, y'all, ladies, wasn't that

1831
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 9: some cheap shit?

1832
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 4: They go, yeah, I.

1833
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 16: Said, well, shouldn't he well, everybody say cheap ship, cheap ship.

1834
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 9: And then I say he should finish the job, right, yeah,

1835
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 9: and they.

1836
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 16: Said, ladies, everybody in the house, they pull it down,

1837
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 16: pull it down, man, put down.

1838
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 9: And then Paul would get up and we would do

1839
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 9: the whole musical thing like a drama show, and the music,

1840
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 9: and Jerry would do the keyboards like sinister and Paul.

1841
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 3: Oh, they're all buff, they're all like Bill.

1842
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 4: Started. After that, I would do some stripping, but my my, well,

1843
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 4: let me tell you up. So what Paul would do.

1844
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 9: He would he would unbuckle the belt and unbuckle this,

1845
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 9: and we play the music.

1846
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 4: Then he turned around and he said, man, y'all know

1847
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 4: I can't do that. He turned around and then he'd

1848
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 4: get his past together.

1849
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 9: He turned back and he pulled out his pants and

1850
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 9: there was the G string and the place went, yeah.

1851
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 3: So crazy.

1852
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,799
Speaker 4: And then Paul would start flexing and doing his body

1853
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 4: built poses, and the women would go so stupid.

1854
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 9: I got into the act later, and I think I

1855
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 9: did like maybe five times.

1856
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 4: What I would do when I pulled down my thing.

1857
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 4: My G string was electric bulbs all around my ship,

1858
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 4: and the lights in the whole venue and you just

1859
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 4: see my flashing lights on my ship. See I did it.

1860
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 4: I got electrocuted and I never did it again.

1861
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 16: Way electrocuted my nuts and.

1862
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: It was crazy your service.

1863
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 3: I appreciate clip clip of the week.

1864
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 9: It was so crazy roasty nuts and it's so crazy

1865
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 9: with with Paul because it was so ridiculous. I remember

1866
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 9: Jamie Fox telling us how he remembered our show the

1867
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 9: way we came out.

1868
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 4: We would do stuff like the Alice sandwich. We get

1869
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 4: a girl and bring up on stage and Paul and

1870
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 4: Paul would grab her. Then I get behind the girl.

1871
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 9: Then Paul picked me up and the girl up at

1872
01:33:58,680 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 9: the same time.

1873
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 4: I'll show just Alice Sandwich. Alice. That was I remember

1874
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 4: that you and the show would be.

1875
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 9: Our show would be bananas a wild, so much so

1876
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 9: that at the end of the show and say, how

1877
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 9: many y'all would like to know which hotel we stayed

1878
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 9: that tonight?

1879
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 3: WHOA.

1880
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 9: Then I go, I can't do that, man, because the

1881
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 9: people at the Marryott down there.

1882
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 4: At twenty two.

1883
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 5: See, you know what you just proved, You just Paul,

1884
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about Paul Lord.

1885
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 6: You know what you just proved, Lou You just proved

1886
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 6: that twenty twenty one sucks like we couldn't never like

1887
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 6: that just can't have And no male artist is willing

1888
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 6: to give as much as y'all gave.

1889
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 7: Thank you right now in the in Atlanta and.

1890
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 6: Not in the same situation. They have their clothes on,

1891
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 6: the women are naked. It ain't the men taking their

1892
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 6: clothes off.

1893
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 5: And doing that.

1894
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 4: No, men don't do that.

1895
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 2: No, they not.

1896
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 5: They make you take your off even though you pay

1897
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 5: for your ticket.

1898
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 2: That's still happening. It just happened with the DMS.

1899
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 4: Now check this out.

1900
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 9: So with that, Marry Blackman's uh manager or road manager

1901
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 9: came backstage to us and he said to us, Hey, listen, y'all,

1902
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 9: y'all gotta stop that that strip.

1903
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,679
Speaker 4: Y'all gotta stop taking off the clothes stuff. And we're like, why, Yeah.

1904
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 9: Larry don't want that, Larry don't want no none.

1905
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 4: Larry don't want that.

1906
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 9: This was during the Word Up, the Word Up to

1907
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 9: a woman who did like twenty five days with him,

1908
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 9: and I said said and Paul said, so wait a minute,

1909
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 9: Larry Blackman said that.

1910
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Larry Blackman said that. I said, well, listen,

1911
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 4: because we have so much respect for Larry blackman and

1912
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 4: cameo because they treated us nice. So I said, well, well,

1913
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 4: can Larry come back here and tell us that, can

1914
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 4: he tell us that that he doesn't want us to

1915
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 4: do the strip no more? Can you please tell him

1916
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 4: to come back here and let's talk and let's see

1917
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 4: what he has to say.

1918
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 9: And then the guy looked at us and said, oh no, no, no, Larry,

1919
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 9: don't talk to the open and act.

1920
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 4: He don't talk to open the next wow.

1921
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 9: So after that we looked at him and Paul said, oh, really, Larry,

1922
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 9: do over that all right? Give this message to Larry,

1923
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 9: tell him fuck him and that tonight I'm wearing canary

1924
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 9: yellow g string, all right, tell him that.

1925
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 4: Tell him that all right. And then we had like

1926
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 4: everybody on the road with us. Our roadies was.

1927
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 9: All from our neighborhood, from our Brooklyn neighborhood, said some

1928
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 9: of the same guys that used to tell us, man,

1929
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 9: y'all should get a job.

1930
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 4: Man, why you have a hurdy? I should get a job.

1931
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 4: But well, we took them on the road with us

1932
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 4: the summer tours, and we told them to get ready

1933
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 4: to listen if anybody tries to fuck with our sound

1934
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 4: or do one of those sabotage shits, We're gonna fuck

1935
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 4: them down bottom line.

1936
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, oh yeah, it's definitely going down Brooklyn style without

1937
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 9: a fucking doubt.

1938
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 4: But nobody fucked with our shit. Nobody fuck us. We

1939
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 4: were waiting, We were waiting after we sent that message

1940
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 4: back and there was no there was no problem after that.

1941
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 4: We stay the same sometimes. We don't even know if

1942
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 4: Larry said that.

1943
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 9: He might not say that, but I remember us, I

1944
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 9: remember us telling that story in front of Larry, which

1945
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 9: he didn't deny, but we told that in front of

1946
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 9: him when we had a seminole. It was us, Larry

1947
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 9: Blackman and Ike Turner, whoa you know, yeah, great rest

1948
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 9: in peace, and we told that story and Larry and

1949
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 9: Larry just laughed, you know, Larry just laughed.

1950
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 4: So you know that's that's the closest stem.

1951
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:33,799
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen.

1952
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 19: I know you hate it when this happens, but yes,

1953
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 19: we are interrupting this powerful old lady Blue episode of

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01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 19: Question of Supreme to let you know that there is

1955
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 19: a part too coming next, all right, so make sure

1956
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,799
Speaker 19: you join us for more full four.

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1959
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1960
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 3: What's left Supreme?

1961
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:13,439
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1962
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,400
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Speaker 1: West Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

1967
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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.