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Speaker 1: So that's kind of cool. I think how it's three

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Speaker 1: a quiet room, there's no windows, there's no contact the

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Speaker 1: outside world. Um, you know, it's really it's just really

426
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Speaker 1: personal like anything you can think. They're gonna ask any obscured,

427
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Speaker 1: random like stuff you wouldn't think of, or they're gonna

428
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Speaker 1: ask it. So I mean, you gotta you're gonna be

429
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Speaker 1: prepared for the answer. You're gonna be like, oh, wrap,

430
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: you know something you suppressed yourself, Like I suppressed that

431
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: memory for a reason. Now you're digging it up. Like, Yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: I talked to a retired Green Beret one time. He

433
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Speaker 1: told me he was going applying for the CIA. They

434
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Speaker 1: put him on the polygraph and they started asking him

435
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: about having sex with his mother, how he did he

436
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: enjoy fucking farm animals and stuff like and and he

437
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell kind of agency is this?

438
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: And he was like I was about the point he decided, no, thanks,

439
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we got that weird, but

440
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: it got pretty close. This would have been back in

441
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Speaker 1: like the seventies. Yeah, stuff too. Stuff you wouldn't think

442
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: that would be like an issue, But like, I won't,

443
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: I said, I won't let any secrets out just in

444
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Speaker 1: case I don't want to break any sort of agreements.

445
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Speaker 1: Definitely a different culture at that time from what you're saying. Yeah, yeah,

446
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean back in the day. I mean they definitely

447
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: used to ask you like are you a homosexual? And

448
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Yeah, those are like the

449
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: days of uh, what was it that that Jim West

450
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Speaker 1: said during the inside the team whom me to like

451
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Speaker 1: slaughter a goat? Well, what do you mean remember he

452
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: spoke about that with wellcounting the inside the team room

453
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Speaker 1: either like slaughter and animal himself training. I mean we

454
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Speaker 1: do that still to this survival training. I'm gonna aware

455
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Speaker 1: of that. So I thought that was like an old

456
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Speaker 1: school thing, Delta. Yeah, I mean I did live tissue

457
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Speaker 1: training several times wise in so I mean, yeah, that

458
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Speaker 1: stuff continues to have no idea. Okay, yeah, let me

459
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Speaker 1: get to do any good stuff like that. I mean

460
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Speaker 1: I was a com guy, but you know, actually I

461
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Speaker 1: just thought about something back to the camp thing back

462
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Speaker 1: at him sob in two thousand eleven, that you know,

463
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Speaker 1: because and we're still seeing it today. Marsak is still

464
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: having a little bit of growing pains, but they've really

465
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Speaker 1: done well at the time. That was the year that

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Speaker 1: the Shooters the Raiders actually got their MS. Um the

467
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Speaker 1: oh three seven, They finally got their MOSA because up

468
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Speaker 1: until that point they were just former force guys or

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Speaker 1: other guys who went through the schoolhouse, but they didn't

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Speaker 1: have an MS yet. They still maintain their old m

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Speaker 1: mos is at the time, I believe. So that was

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Speaker 1: when they finally like, all right, you guys having MS.

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Speaker 1: Raiders is now an MS. But they weren't called Raiders

474
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Speaker 1: at the time. The name was kind of getting tossed about.

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Speaker 1: They were still playing with the idea. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's the Marine Corps. They're not like really big on one.

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Speaker 1: And to give an identity to anyone outside you know,

478
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Speaker 1: every marine is a rifleman. Well, if you've been to

479
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Speaker 1: a Marine Corps at firing range, you know that's not true.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. That's it's it looks great on a

481
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Speaker 1: bumper sticker. But there's some people out there. I wouldn't

482
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Speaker 1: trust a pencil shop for me. I mean, and people

483
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Speaker 1: probably say that about me. That's cool, whatever, you don't

484
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Speaker 1: pay my bills, uh and uh. At this that also

485
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Speaker 1: towards the end of that year, the UM enablers such

486
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Speaker 1: as like E O, D, myself, calm guys, UM armors

487
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Speaker 1: and whatnot, they were given the designator one zero seven

488
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Speaker 1: and special operations capable. So I was one of the

489
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Speaker 1: I was in that first group of communicators received the

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Speaker 1: new MS eight one. And I think that would be

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Speaker 1: similar to like the enablers like I I wanna if

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, speaking wrong, let me know, like the

493
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Speaker 1: Maroon brit or the red burrit whatever, what the fun?

494
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Speaker 1: The paratrooper beret okay, thank you, the maroon bare guys

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Speaker 1: who are attached to the team's you know, like your

496
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Speaker 1: calm guys, you're and stuff like that. I think would

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Speaker 1: be something similar like to that UM EX. So there's

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Speaker 1: no designated there's no PAN, there's no beret or nothing

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Speaker 1: like that. So do you have the MS? You know

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Speaker 1: you have the MOS. Did you operate with your team? Well,

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Speaker 1: all those guys are special, they are under so calm,

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Speaker 1: they're they're part of the unit UM. But yeah, they

503
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have you know, say, the Special Forces TAB and

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Speaker 1: the eighteen series MS identify er. So yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: it's sort of yeah, it's it's basically the same thing

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Speaker 1: just same like, I mean, you know, the raiders are

507
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Speaker 1: lucky to get their finally get their own insignia finally,

508
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: just so we can like at least point them out.

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Speaker 1: And that was the whole point most of them getting insignia.

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00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: That a way, when they're up at you know, Jay

511
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: Sock or anywhere, it's so calm that they're not just

512
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Speaker 1: blending in. Is this any other marine like, Okay, that's

513
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Speaker 1: a raider, This is the guy we need to talk to,

514
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: or these are the guys. Um. It's nice that that,

515
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, they're finally recognized for that with the you

516
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: know push that we're all the same. No we're not,

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Speaker 1: and the um Yeah, so sorry I forgot to throw

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Speaker 1: that in there with the Marine Corps stuff. No, not

519
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: a problem. I appreciate you mentioning that, And we do

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00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: have a general TATA standing by. So wrapping things up here,

521
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: I know you have your small business that people could

522
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: check out, Southern Cross Blades, which is at Southern Cross

523
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: Blades on Instagram. But thanks for coming on with us, man.

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Speaker 1: I think this has been interesting and a lot of

525
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Speaker 1: people might might wonder, you know, can you make that

526
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: transition from you know, three different branches and into what

527
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: you're doing now. So I think a lot of people

528
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: this will be um something that they learned something from. Yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: and you know, I stand and when I left the

530
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Speaker 1: Air Force Reserve Air Guard. The reason I left ATMOS

531
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Speaker 1: because I was trying to get a flight air crew

532
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: and they didn't have anything available here. So I called

533
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: over to the Army Guard. We have a dust off

534
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: Medical Medevac Detachment um U H sixties. So I called them.

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I want to fly, and They're like, okay, um,

536
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: we'll double slot you in a position. So I'm going

537
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: to go to the black Hawk repair course here coming

538
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: up in February, you know, learn how to fix it

539
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: and then that's cool, hopefully hopefully work on my crew progression.

540
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: So while I've been drilling with them the last year,

541
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: I have gotten to fly a little bit, uh to

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00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: an annual tour with them. It's a great unit. They're

543
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: actually going out the door soon out to support. Oh yes,

544
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: because that's still going on. You know. It's it's uh

545
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: wild that that we're still doing that. My last plant

546
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: was eight years ago and I'm still thinking like these.

547
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: Of course, not in my thirties. So these kids, and

548
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm feeling eighteen nineteen years old. They're going right out

549
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: to the same place as I was almost ten years ago.

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00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: It's just wild that we're you know, this g y

551
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: is still going on. Uh yeah, and that's it's you know,

552
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: the transition is easy. While all the branches are very different,

553
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: there's they have a lot more in common than people

554
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: would actually want to think. Most of the differences come

555
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: in like formalities, uniforms, you know, the old school, old fashioned,

556
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, branch rivalry stuff. But when you actually get

557
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: down and get to work, you know, you just you

558
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: gotta mission, you gotta do it. You work with who

559
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: you gotta work with. There's I work with. There's tons

560
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: of primaryes, sailors, former Air Force guys, former ACTU Army guys,

561
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: were a mix of all kinds of troops. Now we

562
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Speaker 1: have like this is our goal now. So if you

563
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: are thinking about getting out and you know, whatever your

564
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: active duty is, you want to go into reserves, look

565
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: at the other branches, see what they have to offer.

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00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, don't don't be so close minded about it. Um,

567
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: it's a good good time. And yeah, my small business,

568
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: uh it started out as a hobby. It just turned

569
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Speaker 1: into a small business somehow. Unfortunately, if you do go

570
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: to my site, you know, Southern Cross Blades, you look

571
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: up stuff. I can't make anything right now because someone

572
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: stole all my stuff out of my garage a few

573
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so all my power tools are gone. So

574
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: I can't make anything right now. Jesus, give me a follow. Um,

575
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: check it out. You can kind of watch me progress

576
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: hopefully back into it. Follow my day to day stuff

577
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: and whatnot. My Twitter is task force Dupe, task force

578
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: d u pe. I just kind of run my mouth

579
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter like everyone else. I mean, why not? And

580
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: then um, and then also Facebook, Southern Cross Blades on Facebook.

581
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't get on that one as much because Facebook

582
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: is just being a pain in the butt right now

583
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: with just algorithms and it keeps kicking me off for

584
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: some reason. All right, man, well, hey, thanks for coming

585
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: on with us. Um, I have General Tata waiting, so

586
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get to him. But I appreciate it, Chris.

587
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: And once again, people could check you out on Instagram

588
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: as you said, Southern Cross Blades and uh yeah, we'll

589
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Man. All right, thanks, thank you.

590
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm holding Nick coppin accountable if no one likes this one.

591
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thank you so back on with us for

592
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Speaker 1: the first time in a really long time. He's been

593
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: on the show twice. Is General Tony A. J. Tata,

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Speaker 1: Former Army Brigadier general from eight one to two thousand

595
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: nine and best selling author of several of your own books,

596
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: a book with Nick Irving as well. I know the

597
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: latest is Dark Winter, which we'll get into. But the

598
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to have you on kind of last minute,

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00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: which I appreciate you jumping on with us, is that

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Speaker 1: you wrote this piece for Fox News about what's at

601
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: the moment probably the most controversial issue in special operations

602
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: in the military right now, and that's this guy um

603
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: by the name of Matt Goldstein, who is being held

604
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: right now in a charge for murder. And you wrote

605
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: a piece for Fox News which is titled Trump is

606
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: perfectly within his authority to review case of green beret

607
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: charged with murder. To be honest, I personally was not

608
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: all that up to speed on what went down, so

609
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: reading your piece gave me some background, so maybe the

610
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: audience would want to get into that because I was

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00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: unaware that statements Matt made on Fox News pretty much

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00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: incriminated himself. Well, incriminated maybe too strong a word. It

613
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: certainly gave UM the d D reason to reopen their

614
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: investigation where they saw a reason. It's probably a better

615
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: way to put it, to reopen the investigation into him.

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Speaker 1: Uh he uh. In two thousand and ten, we have

617
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Speaker 1: to remember what was happening with the intelligence community at

618
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: the time. You had Bradley Manning now Chelsea Manning, who

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Speaker 1: was releasing state secrets to Wiki leaks. UM. We had

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Speaker 1: Stan McCrystal who was rather embattled UM in command in Afghanistan. UM.

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Speaker 1: You had the Obama administration trying to soften the rules

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Speaker 1: for detainees, and the wake of Abu Grave and GITMO

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Speaker 1: all perceived scandals at GITMO and UH, you know, lots

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Speaker 1: of other things consuming the intelligence UM community at the time,

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Speaker 1: and one of the impacts was that the processing of

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Speaker 1: detainees was being being made much more difficult for commanders

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Speaker 1: on the ground. UH. And so what you have happened

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00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: is Goldstein is operating with marines UM and UH you know,

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Speaker 1: a southern part of Afghanistan and two of his marines

630
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: are killed by an improvised explosive a device. UH. They immediately,

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Speaker 1: like good special Forces soldiers do, go on the offensive

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Speaker 1: and on a kill capture mission and capture uh the

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Speaker 1: bomb maker, and they bring him to the base to

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Speaker 1: be detained. And this is where, in my view, um,

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Speaker 1: there's there's some investigating that needs to happen, because what

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Speaker 1: happened is allegedly Goldstein um uh, the intelligence community um

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Speaker 1: did not take the bombmaker and process him. And and

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Speaker 1: what is supposed to happen. When I was a deputy

639
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: commanded general there, you know, one of the parts of

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00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: my portfolio, many parts, you know, other than combat opts

641
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: and air assaults and all that kind of stuff, was

642
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: detention operations, which you know nobody wanted. Was like give

643
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: it to Mikey, he'll like it. And and the rules

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00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm very familiar with. The rules were if

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Speaker 1: if the individual was a threat to US forces and

646
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: or had current intelligence value, then uh, he should be detained,

647
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: given a detainee number, and processed up to Bagram detention facility.

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00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: And the intelligence community is in charge of that. And

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00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: the people who should have taken this bomb maker and

650
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: processed him did not do that. And so for whatever

651
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: reason that did not happen. And so from the intelligence community,

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00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: why would d O D not be processing him and

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00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: handing him over to the Afghan government at that point. Well, so,

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Speaker 1: for for at least when I was there Jack the

655
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: the n O six oh seven time frame, we we

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00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: took these people, you know, the intelligence community within our military,

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00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: the military intelligen security UM would process him up to

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00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: bogram where we would interrogate and try to determine and

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00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: establish uh um you know, you know, uh intelligence I

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: could lead us to you know, very current future operations

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00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: and we could keep the pressure on the enemy. And

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00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: so and we had a detention site down at candahart

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00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: where the guys should have been UM held and and

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Speaker 1: then ultimately their processed if they're longer term, up to

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Speaker 1: UM bogram. And so the somewhere the commander of the

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Speaker 1: intel community, the military intelligence community at Candahar failed because

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: here was a guy who was both a threat and

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Speaker 1: had current intelligence value and he was not put into

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Speaker 1: the detainees stem and so uh you have Goldstein left

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Speaker 1: with this guy on his hands. And so this is

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00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: where two accounts of vergs right, um. They one account

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00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: has him uh you know, walking the guy off bass

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00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: and and uh shooting him in the head and then

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00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: carrying him back and throwing him in the burn pit.

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00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Another account has him releasing him to the wild, as

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00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: he is required to do. Um if if he is

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00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: not processed within three days, and then shortly thereafter, um

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00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: the bomb maker and some of his affiliates are um

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00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: uh killed in an ambush. Uh. If it's the latter scenario,

680
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: there's no issue. Right. If it's the former scenario, then

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: that's a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Uh. So that's that.

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00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, I tried to write the article in a

683
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: very um sort of neutral tone, other than one to say,

684
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: because everybody's freaking out about Trump, Trump's a commander in

685
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: chief and and you know, here's a here's a young soldier,

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Speaker 1: a young officer that served his country, was a Silver

687
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Star recipient, which is a you know, a high award

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00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: for combat action. And and you know he in his

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00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: CIA interview, no doubt a polly, you know, he tells

690
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the truth about what he did. And and then they

691
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: the CIA refers it over to d O D who

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Speaker 1: then gives him administrative punishment of removing his Special Forces

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Speaker 1: tab and um stripping him of his Silver Star, which

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00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: is pretty severe. And now, but because it was administrative,

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00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: it's not technically double jeopardy. And and so now he's

696
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: in an interview with Brett Barron and and makes a

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Speaker 1: comment and he should have been better coached before going

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00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: on national TV. But um makes a comment that then

699
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Speaker 1: d O d um, the Obama d O d opens

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: up another investigation into him, and um, and now we

701
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: are where we are with this with this case. And

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00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I've seen his attorney on uh Fox

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00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: News talking about you know, uh, he didn't he didn't

704
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: do anything in cold blood that he released the detainee

705
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: and the detainee went and walked into an ambush, so

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Speaker 1: you know, and and part of part of my article

707
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: I say, you know, people pretend to know what's going on,

708
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: but it's just speculation. And you know, only a few

709
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: people know what really happened. And and uh, you know this,

710
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: this soldier deserves, you know, every bit of his constitutional

711
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: rights that he fought so hard for and to be

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00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: presumed innocent until proven guilty. You know that that should

713
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Speaker 1: be a very high standard, just as it is for

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Speaker 1: every citizen in our in our nation. I absolutely believe

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Speaker 1: that you know, this retired officer is entitled to do process.

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Speaker 1: It's important to keep that in mind. And I guess

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Speaker 1: a big part of it is what did he say

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Speaker 1: during this UH interview with the CIA and UM, as

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Speaker 1: you say, I believe he was on a polygraph? UM

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Speaker 1: if you know, it was a case where they let

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Speaker 1: the detainee go, They outprocessed him from the facility, let

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Speaker 1: him go, and he was killed you know, subsequently by

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Speaker 1: some sort of enemy action or or whatever you know,

724
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, in fighting UM in Afghanistan amongst Afghan factions.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty clean cut case of UH not being

726
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: the fault of the U. S. Army. UM and things

727
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: like that happen all the time. That's exactly right. And

728
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Speaker 1: I mean once you step outside of the fence that

729
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: in any of these fobs, you're fair game. You're you're

730
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Speaker 1: in the serengetti and and so UM. It's it is

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00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: a case where UM, you know, it all revolves around

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Speaker 1: what actually happened and what did he say happened? You know,

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Speaker 1: what what did that polygraph say? And you know there's

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Speaker 1: there's UM if indeed it was a polygraph, but I

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Speaker 1: believe there was UM. The you know, there are rules

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Speaker 1: on admissibility of polygraphs and and so this case becomes

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Speaker 1: very complex. That if if the do o D Is

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Speaker 1: using a polygraph to conduct an investigation, um one that

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00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: they've already done and determined that there was not sufficient

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Speaker 1: evidence to charge him with anything, only to to do

741
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: administrative action. Uh, then uh, you know, it seems to

742
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: me that it's a stretch that we've got going on

743
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: here because uh, the the you know, he's already been

744
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: reviewed once, so now this is seven years a hell

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00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: that is, he and his family are being put through

746
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: by a system that you know has extra legal powers

747
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: that that uh you know is as owners as any

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00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: city hall in the country. Uh. And you definitely can't

749
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: fight them as well as they can fight you, because

750
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: they have legions of attorneys that will um tackle on

751
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: every single possible lesser charge uh to make you um

752
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, plea and and so I mean it's you know,

753
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: the prosecution is going to ramp up on this and

754
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: they're going to go after him with fangs. And that's

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00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: the part that um, you know bothers me is that

756
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, here's this great soldier and you know, if

757
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: if he evaluated the Geneva Convention that's one story. But

758
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, evidently he didn't or they would have press

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00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: charges against him back in two thousand eleven after his

760
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: CIA interview. But so at the same time, I mean,

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00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: don't you think Goldstein has brought this on himself. I mean,

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00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: we know, I'm sure he wasn't thinking this at the time.

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00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: But when you get put on a polygraph, it's essentially

764
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: junk science. They just put you on this, uh this

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00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, make believe machine that supposedly can tell if

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00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: you're telling the truth or not. And they do that

767
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: just to shake you up, just to make you nervous

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00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: and scare you, hoping that you're going to confess to things. Um,

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00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: and that's that may be what what happened here in

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00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: this case. And then d O D they gave him

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00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: an administrative punishment, as you talked about, and it seems

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00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: like d O D was just hoping this thing was

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Speaker 1: going to go away and blow over. And then he

774
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: went on Fox News and made these comments and it's like,

775
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: oh damn, like now they have to get involved again,

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00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: right right, And you know he would have been well

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00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: enough to leave it alone, that's for sure. You're exactly right, Jock,

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00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: and and I don't I don't know why he continued

779
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: to talk about this, particularly if it was whether or

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00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: not he was he was, you know, within the law

781
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: or not with that. Well maybe if if the charge

782
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: really isn't true, he may have been talking about it

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00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: because he was trying to refute that and defend himself.

784
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't know, I'm just speculating, yeah,

785
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. And and you know absolutely when when

786
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: you have some kind of bogus claim against you, um,

787
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: and then you try to you know, um clear your name.

788
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: And and but you know, like Ian said, I don't

789
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: know that that many people knew about this thing, right,

790
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, um, there there's it's one thing that you

791
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: have a limited circle of of friends and family and

792
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: and uh you know its soldiers and and so forth

793
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: that with whom you operated that you know, know whether

794
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: or not you know this happened or didn't happen, or

795
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: you know that that something might have bespirted your name.

796
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: It's another thing to go on national most watch cable

797
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: news show and in the country and then announce that

798
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: you killed somebody, and and to say it in such

799
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: a way that um almost uh makes d o d

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00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: um and then to um, you know, have to reopen

801
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: this thing. And so yeah, I mean it's it's um.

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00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's a little bit of a self inflicted

803
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: wound here, I think. UM, but now it's got national attention,

804
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever happened, I think I think the

805
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: truth will come out and the chips will fall where

806
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: they may. Um. And And my whole point for writing

807
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: that article was the President was receiving the standard dosage

808
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: of hate um that he gets anytime he does anything.

809
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: And my point was, you know, he's perfectly within his

810
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: right and if this guy is going to be you know, uh,

811
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: rifled through the um um, what President Trump? What I think?

812
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: I think President Trump is very deliberate with his messaging, um,

813
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: you know because uh and and with this, I think

814
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: what he was saying is trick, carefully, treat this guy properly,

815
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and let the chips fall where they may. I'm going

816
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: to take a look at it. But you think that's

817
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: really something that should be sent out as a tweet.

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00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Isn't that like a phone call to your to the

819
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: d o J or FBI or whoever the investigating authority is. Yeah,

820
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we can all debate, um, you

821
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: know the president's community communications style. But um, I think, um,

822
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, he he um, he sees the press getting

823
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: ahold of this. And the way the president communicates is

824
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: he pull vaults over the press to his followers, um

825
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: by through Twitter. And he said that, he said, he

826
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's got his own media source and Twitter

827
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: and and you know, for all the love and the

828
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: hey uh that um comes his way. You know, it's

829
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: how he communicates. And so it didn't surprise me. Yeah,

830
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, pick up the phone and say hey,

831
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: Sectary maddis, Um, you know, watch this one close because

832
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching it. Um. You know that's that's probably typically

833
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: how it would be handled. But you know, this president

834
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: handles things. I totally uh, I totally get that. But

835
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: it goes back to what we're speaking of earlier about

836
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: due process and how this soldier deserves to be tried

837
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: in a court of law. For the president the pole

838
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: vault over the bureaucracy and over the press and go

839
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: directly to his followers. That starts heading towards mob rule

840
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to do process. Well, yeah, I don't, um,

841
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, I disagree with He's got a lot of

842
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: people energized about this right now. Um uh. The real

843
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: question though, you know, I read a couple of articles

844
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: where that said he was exerting undo command influence on this,

845
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: and I do not see it as that. Uh. You know,

846
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: I can remember as a commander, you know, whether it

847
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: was a uh the summary courts martial or general courts

848
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: martial or Article fifteen or whatever, you know, I would

849
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: I would have a conversation with whomever and say, you know, look,

850
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: let's make sure we get this right. This is a

851
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 1: very challenging case. There's there's some attention that we've got here,

852
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure that you know,

853
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: we we we you know, follow the process and and

854
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, ninety percent of the time I would say nothing.

855
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: But you know, there was if there, if I if

856
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I had a case that was was touchy or had

857
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: some you know, big time media attention on it, I

858
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: would have a very neutral conversation and I would have

859
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: my jag in there making sure I didn't say anything stupid.

860
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: Um uh. And And so my whole point for writing

861
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: that article was that it was not in my view,

862
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: undue command influence says, as a lot of the left

863
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: has been saying it was the only other thing I'd

864
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: want to ask you, uh, is you're absolutely right it's

865
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: within the president's purview to review these cases. Um, But

866
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: to issue a presidential pardon, don't we have to have

867
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: a conviction first? Yeah. Well I don't think he said

868
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: anything about a pardon, right, But why why else would

869
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: he review it? Right? Yeah? Well, I see, I think

870
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: he was very deliberately communicating tread carefully, um, and and

871
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: you know he Yeah, I mean, if if the facts

872
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: show that he went out and shot this guy in

873
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: the head and then dragged him and threw him into

874
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: burn pit, I don't think he'll be getting a presidential pardon.

875
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: I may be wrong. But if the facts show that

876
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: he released the guy, you know, undid his handcuffs and said,

877
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, go forth and do great things. Um, and

878
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: then twenty minutes later he's in an ambush and killed,

879
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. And and you know, if it's

880
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: show and that he put the guy on the path

881
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: and led him into the ambush and all that, well

882
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: that's where it gets a little dicey. So so you know,

883
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a tough case. And because you know, we

884
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: all want to believe our warriors in combat are doing

885
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: the best thing. And you know, by all accounts, this

886
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: is a great American Uh. And you know, I can

887
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: remember when you know, I had um, you know, one

888
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: of my lieutenants from the eighties Second Airborne when I

889
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: was a battalion commander, was then a company commander for

890
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: me in the tenth Mountain Division when I was a

891
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: deputy commander general there. And and I get a phone

892
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: call that from McK nicholson, who just left there as

893
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: the general in charge of Afghanistan and who was a

894
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: brigade commander for me, and he says, you know, hey, sir,

895
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: did you hear about Doug? And I'm like, what's going on?

896
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: And you know, he was killed. I I threw my

897
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: phone into my wall, and you know, I called my

898
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: aid and I said lot of things that I can't

899
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: say on radio. You can say whatever you want here,

900
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: but well, uh, you know, I said, we're gonna go

901
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: find the s ob who did this. And you know,

902
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: and of course me, you know, like there were like

903
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: a thousand troops in between me and whoever did this.

904
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: But I understand the emotion that goes with losing people

905
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: with whom you've served and who you love and who

906
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: you lad and and that's where you know, the rule

907
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: of um or the law of land warfare and the

908
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Geneva Conventions and all that are important because there are

909
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: emotions that that that guide us at times as opposed

910
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: to you know, the mission and the and the and

911
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: and reason. But that's not to say that that's what

912
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: what's happened here. I'm just saying I understand how how

913
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: the good major then Captain felt Um leading his a

914
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: team in combat and losing men, and and certainly the

915
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: primal urge to to you know, put those men back

916
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: together and send them home to their family's whole and

917
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: happy and healthy, uh meanwhile stopping that from ever happening again.

918
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's an indescribable emotion and feeling

919
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: that I'm sure you know. Yeah, I certainly. I mean

920
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: definitely not advocating um war crimes or executions, but yes,

921
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: I understand the frustration. In two thousand nine, in Iraq,

922
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: it was like a revolving door. I mean, we would

923
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: catch these guys, we knew they were bad. Um, they'd

924
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: get we to turn them over to Iraq, and like

925
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: some judge in some Iraqi cart would just be like, hey,

926
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: it's amnesty, Dawn, you all go free back out on

927
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: the streets and do it all over again, right right, Yeah,

928
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: So I had to process um every week. Um. You know,

929
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: we had, like I want to say, people in the

930
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: Bogroom detention facility, and you know, all the way from

931
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: like supposedly Ben Lawden's driver who had been captured early

932
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: in the war and here it was six years later,

933
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: and you know, was he a threat? Did he have

934
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: intel value? Maybe? Um? But they, the intel guys were

935
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: the military intelligence guides, brought to me um weekly if

936
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: not more frequently, packets where they essentially reviewed every detainee.

937
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: And this was part of the process. It was part

938
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: of the bureaucratic review that all these detainees went through

939
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: that essentially said, um, is detainy X still a threat

940
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: and his detaining X. Does detainy X still have intelligence value?

941
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: And so Uh. They would provide their assessment and if

942
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: if the answer was no to both of those, then

943
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: they would say, we recommend uh releasing detain e X,

944
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: or we were recommended keeping him for the following reasons. Uh.

945
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: But you know that it was sort of like the

946
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: prison problem. Here you only had so much sell space.

947
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: And so then what we did is we implemented a

948
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: system when I was there that we would send an

949
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: emissary out to the village wherever we captured this guy.

950
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: And lots of times we had your basic rifle men

951
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: who was paid ten bucks to go sit in an

952
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: ambush and that kind of thing. And you know, he was,

953
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: you know, influenceable. Uh you know, it could be influenced

954
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: in a certain way. And and uh we would talk

955
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: to the village elder and say, do you want this

956
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: guy back or no? And if we bring him back,

957
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: are are you going to take charge of him and

958
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't do anything stupid again? And you know,

959
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: morph than not. That worked and we and we had

960
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: very low recidivism with regard to when we did that.

961
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Uh So, and of course, you know, on the higher

962
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: value guys, you know, we kept them and kept them

963
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: off the battle Most of them were hardcore assholes that

964
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: that you wanted off the off the battlefield and kept

965
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: off the battlefield. And we kept him off the battlefield.

966
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: But there was this constant pressure from from the bureaucrats

967
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: in d C too, you know, treat everybody nice and all,

968
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: which we did you know, they hell, they had a

969
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: better life. They they you know, they got glasses for

970
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: the first time in their life and they could see better.

971
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: And then they received daily you know, they had medical care,

972
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: dental care. I mean, they received much better care than

973
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: homeless events here in the United States received. That's for

974
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: damn sure. It wasn't There also the question of, you know,

975
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: the United States Army isn't really set up to run

976
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: prisons overseas, you know, wartime prisons indefinitely, which is kind

977
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: of the situation that you know, we found ourselves in. Yeah, yeah,

978
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: for sure. This the we were having to rotate and

979
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: um the military police equivalent from all the services, who

980
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: would have to go through some training, uh to on

981
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: detention operations at which you are very different than cruising

982
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: in your you know, cop car around the military base.

983
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: And and you know, the Air Force. When I was there,

984
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: we had the Air Force that were um military police

985
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: that were filling out the guard force. And you know,

986
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: it was some hundred hundred airmen that were there. And

987
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: I had a Army colonel who was in charge of

988
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: all of that. She she was the commander of the

989
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: Bagram Detention Facility and all detainee operations throughout the country. Uh.

990
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: And there were about fifteen different field detention sites where

991
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: the guys like goal Seeing could take their guy, throw

992
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: them in there, and then turned to the to the

993
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: military intelligence people say here's your here's my guy, interrogate

994
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: him and tell me what to do with them, and

995
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: and that's how it should have worked. And and uh,

996
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: but anyway, the Air Force they only deployed people for

997
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: every four months, and so you know, in my thirteen

998
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: fourteen months in combat, I had three or four iterations

999
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: of people, you know who who were constantly changing out

1000
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: and having to relearn and and it made it very

1001
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: very challenging that to try to sort of maintain order.

1002
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: And and you know, it's like any prison, they're gonna

1003
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna all, you know, come together, and you had

1004
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: the international human rights people come in, and you have

1005
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: the rig International rig Cross come in and and and

1006
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: so it was very very transparent. At the same time,

1007
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: it was very challenging because it was not a standard prison.

1008
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: It was it was basically supply cages that we kept

1009
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: these people in and it's what we inherited. And and

1010
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: every time we said, well we need to build a prison.

1011
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't enough money, and you know it

1012
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't be done for a couple of years anyway, and

1013
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: it was it was a tough And before I had

1014
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: gotten there, four four really hard al Qaeda guys had

1015
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: escaped from from from the and this this detention facility

1016
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: was right next to the Joint Operations headquarters and you

1017
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: know where the you know, the generals and you know

1018
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: every the joint you know, the jock Joint Operations Center

1019
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: was and all that. Literally it was across the parking

1020
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: lot and the X fill route for these detainees after

1021
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: they did the big investigation, would I read coming into

1022
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: the country was right through the parking lot of the

1023
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: Joint Operations Center and so I uh, you know, the

1024
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: it could not have been any more embarrassing. And then

1025
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: they walked out the front gate. They changed clothes and

1026
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: they acted like they were you know, the laundry people

1027
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: or something that did the laundry for the troops on

1028
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: the base and then just walked right on the front gate. Yeah,

1029
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: it was you know, like you know, a movie. But yeah,

1030
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: so you know, Goldstein, you know, I hope the best

1031
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: for the for the young man, and you know, he's, um, uh,

1032
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's got some national attention now, and I'm

1033
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm not uh you know, I just you know, I

1034
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: want him to, um, you know, receive justice, whatever that

1035
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: may be. Yeah, well said uh, switching gears here. I

1036
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: know that you have a new book out, Dark Winter.

1037
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: It's the fifth book in the Jake Mohegan thriller series.

1038
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: Uh what can people expect from this one? Yeah? So

1039
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: and dark Winner Booklist gave it a great start review,

1040
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: calling it, uh, you know, a techno epic, techno thriller. Essentially.

1041
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: My agent or editor said, give me world War three

1042
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: And I said, Gary, you know world War three has

1043
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: been done and and he said, you're a general. Figure

1044
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: out a new way to do it. Um and and

1045
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: so I'm like okay, and uh right around that time,

1046
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: my Facebook page had just disappeared, and and uh there

1047
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: was nobody I could get in touch with it. You know,

1048
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: it was you know, you can email the help thing,

1049
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: but there's no email. You could just submit a question.

1050
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: And a few days later, Facebook contacts me and says, well,

1051
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: you were impersonating someone else. And I'm like, I'm only

1052
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: me and and uh, you know, and I uh, somebody

1053
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: had been impersonating me, and and and and so they

1054
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: left his page. But I got stock mind down and

1055
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: despite you know, like eight thousand followers and all of

1056
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: that stuff, and and they took down my author page,

1057
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: in my in my pay and UM personal page. And

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Speaker 1: so I thought, that's that's some pretty unmitigated power right there,

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Speaker 1: that you can just silence somebody like that. And then

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Speaker 1: I thought about, I've been reading a book called Search

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Speaker 1: and Destroy Why you Can't Trust Google, and it was

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Speaker 1: a fascinating book about how powerful Google is. And so UM,

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Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, how about I make oh

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Speaker 1: Ian Ian is the first name of the bad guy

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Speaker 1: UM and as as a tech magnet and and UM

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Speaker 1: he's you know, twenty nine or so, and he's bored.

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Speaker 1: He's his company. He owns a company called Manaslu, which

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Speaker 1: is one of the mountains in the Himalayan Range that

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Speaker 1: people UM climb for practice to climb Mount Everest, and

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Speaker 1: it's supposedly tougher than Everest, but not as high. And

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Speaker 1: and so he he calls his company Manisleu, just like

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Speaker 1: Pas called his company Amazon. And and so you've got

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Speaker 1: Manisleu Incorporated. UM that has passed Facebook and and Google

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Speaker 1: and Amazon and all their respective market share categories, and

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Speaker 1: so UM he's now bored. He's got his GDP is

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Speaker 1: larger than most countries, and so he has his globalist

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Speaker 1: vision UM, and he wants to remake the world, particularly

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Speaker 1: United States UM, in the image of this globalist can't

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Speaker 1: we all get along vision that he has and he

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Speaker 1: does so. He wants to do so by UM burning

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Speaker 1: the United States essentially to the ground. By eliminating mutual

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Speaker 1: assured destruction between America and Russia Iran in North Korea.

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Speaker 1: He creates something he calls the Rink Alliance Are Russia,

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Speaker 1: Iran in North Korea, and UM he disables through hacking

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Speaker 1: the American the US nuclear capability, and UH he enables

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Speaker 1: the Russia, Iran and North Korea after disabling them and

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Speaker 1: cutting a deal with them. And now there's three people

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Speaker 1: that can shut down what is about to happen, and

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Speaker 1: Jake Mohegan has to go to Iran and North Korea

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Speaker 1: and all these places and capture UM these people and

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Speaker 1: walk them through a biometric chamber to shut down the

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Speaker 1: nuclear countdown that's happening. And so he's got to capture

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Speaker 1: and keep him alive and walk him through um gate recognition,

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Speaker 1: DNA and all that. It's about seven different identifying factors

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Speaker 1: and and uh it's uh, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of high tech machine learning, artificial intelligence uh in involved

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Speaker 1: and and and it's a good read, it's a fun read.

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Speaker 1: And and um you know, it's the first time Jake

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Speaker 1: goes global. If you remember, the first four books are

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Speaker 1: all take place in North Carolina, and now Jake is global.

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Speaker 1: Interesting and and and it's it's it's a fun, fast

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Speaker 1: faced uh kind of Tom clincy Esk Vincelin kind of read.

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Speaker 1: You sold me? Sounds interesting? I uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: actually this is probably a topic where I would agree

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Speaker 1: with the campus hippies that, you know, some of these

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Speaker 1: tech giants and these social media companies have monopolized so

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Speaker 1: much of the market that I think it's time for

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Speaker 1: the federal government to go in and nationalize or break

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Speaker 1: up some of these companies into smaller companies. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, Jackie. And the question is

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Speaker 1: are they um uh media outlets or are they neutral

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Speaker 1: platforms that they claim to be. I think it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear that uh I wrote an article for Fox not

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: too long ago about Google, and it was interesting. It

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Speaker 1: was highly critical of Google, and it was the number

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Speaker 1: one trending article on Google. If you Google, if you

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Speaker 1: if you google China and Google, and and it was

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Speaker 1: essentially Google refused because over eight thousand Googlers as they're

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Speaker 1: called Google employees protested the Google helping the US military

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Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence on the project Maven too read, you know,

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Speaker 1: facial features and all that kind of thing to help

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Speaker 1: identify targets better. So Google stopped doing that because of

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Speaker 1: their people protested. But they'll help out China, no problem, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: That's what that was the point of the article. But

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll do Operation Dragonfly, the searching and that they're

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Speaker 1: developing for China. That you know, if you type in

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Speaker 1: student protests you get no results. If you type in

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Speaker 1: President g you only get positive results. And and so

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Speaker 1: they're helping out one of the most oppressive communist regimes

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Speaker 1: in the world ever. And and but refuse to help

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Speaker 1: the country that you know, gives them the um capitalists

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: and democratic foundations that have allowed them to thrive. That

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01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: is the height of irony and duplicity. Um. That's why

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Speaker 1: I don't use the term lightly, but I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: why I really think some of these companies are evil.

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Speaker 1: That's really really bad in the irony is that Google's

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: motto is do no evil, they are evil. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes me think, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: really less of an issue than the China stuff. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes me think all these tech companies

1141
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: are in collusion was, you know, there was the recent

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Speaker 1: I've heard people refer to like the deep personing of

1143
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, how he was kicked off deep platform and diad.

1144
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: But i've heard deep person in two people have said, uh,

1145
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: kicked off Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and then PayPal almost simultaneously.

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: And now the more recent one is Gavin McGinnis. Gavin

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01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: McGinnis has been taken off of everything, and you know,

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01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: he's a controversial guy. He's made statements that people think

1149
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: encourage violence. But I think it's just interesting that it's

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: all done it once on every one of these platforms.

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01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, one month this platform kicked

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: him off for saying this. They recently did it to

1153
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: Milo Leonopolis, kicked him off Patreon and all that. And

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Speaker 1: these are people who I don't agree with what they say.

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: I really don't like them. I think I think Milo

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: is a Nazi quite frankly. But that said, it sets

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01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: this precedent that these, as you said, these companies working

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01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: together hand in hand, are able to d platform points

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01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: of view that they don't like entirely. Um, and that

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Speaker 1: that that could be a frightening trend for the future. Yeah.

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01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: You know, I was watching Jim Jordan's on the Fox

1162
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: nets or somewhere, and it was after brand or not,

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01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, the Google CEO had testified, and and he said,

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's just interesting to me, and he started

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01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: talking about Twitter. Um. But you know, they're all kind

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01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: of the same. They're all super left, they're all Silicon Valley,

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: and they're all um or you know, out on the

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01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: West coast there. And and you know, Jordan's said, you know, me,

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01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: Meadows and one other conservative congressman, we all got shadow band,

1170
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: but no Democrats got shadow Band. And then when we protested,

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: Twitter came back and said, we're sorry, that was an

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01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: algorithmic error. And and uh, it's not an algorithmic error.

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01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: It's some you know, teeny bopper in there saying I

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: don't I don't like these guys. Let's shut them down

1175
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: for a little while, and they're snickering about it, and

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01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: and and so they shut them down. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like why my Facebook page was removed, you know, And

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01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, let's let's, as you say, deep platform

1179
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: this guy and and make him fight for his voice.

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01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: And that is about his un American as as it gets.

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01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: And and these companies the regulatory piece that needs to

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01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: happen here, because these companies need to be made into

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:18,919
Speaker 1: they um their their journalistic platforms, they're they're not neutral,

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01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: and so they need to be publishing companies. That's what

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: needs to happen, and and that will change dramatically their

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: business model. Speaking of media platforms, I wanted to ask

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01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: you this, and obviously you're allowed not answered if you want.

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: It's just something I was curious about the earlier this year,

1189
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: the two times, or I should say last year the

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: last year, you were on with US twice, and I

1191
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: remember you were a regular on CNN every time that

1192
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: you would come on the podcast We're doing CNN that

1193
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: same day. I know you know on Twitter. I think

1194
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: it's safe to say you've been vocally um pro President Trump.

1195
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,839
Speaker 1: And now I've noticed you've become more of a regular

1196
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: and Fox News. Any reason behind that it? I know,

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I I've been pretty regular on Fox for

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: a long time. CNN, UM, I think was having me

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: on as sort of the center right guy to foil

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: their you know, super left people, and but now they

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: don't even um pretend any um. And I just got

1202
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: a note that um, you know, Hannity asked if i'd

1203
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: be on the talk about this topic with the Special

1204
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: Forces soldier. Um so um, yeah, I um, I've always

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: done a lot of Fox and UM, you know, ever

1206
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: since I retired in two thousand nine, and uh, you know,

1207
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: I feel like I call it as I see it,

1208
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: and I don't get hyper political in one way or

1209
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: the other. I get energized about things, no doubt, but

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01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: I don't get super um political for sure. Yeah. I

1211
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: mean after reading the piece, I don't think it was

1212
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: political in anyway. And I thought it was pretty straightforward

1213
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: peace about what actually went down. And you know, if

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: Trump is within his right, as as you said, him

1215
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: tweeting about it, definitely unconventional. But is it illegal? Now

1216
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's just give the listeners the title of

1217
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: the article saying go read it for themselves. It's uh

1218
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: General Anthony Tata Trump is perfectly within his authority to

1219
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: review case of green Beret charged with murder. Uh. It's

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01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: up on Fox News now, um, so you can go

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: check it out read it for yourself. Thank you and

1222
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: thanks guys, and Joe always enjoy being on I and

1223
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: great great chat with you, Jack, so you to thank

1224
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: you guys. Have a wonderful day. Absolutely, and once again,

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Speaker 1: the website is a JA dot com a J A

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Speaker 1: T A t A dot com which has links to

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Speaker 1: your Instagram, Twitter, and I guess newer Facebook because I

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Speaker 1: didn't know about. Yeah. I got it back after like

1229
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,839
Speaker 1: a week of darkness wandering through the social media universe

1230
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: without any ability to to see my way. So I'm

1231
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: just joking it. It did take about a week to

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: get back, but it was actually pretty nice week off

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: from from all that. So yeah, and it sounds like

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: in the end it inspired a book that will hopefully

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: be another best seller for you. So and also looking

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Speaker 1: behind me, I have your signature here on the Who

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: Dares Win, So you're welcome to come back in any time.

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: We're in a different location now, which is actually quite

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: closer to Fox Okay, great, great, Well, I hope to

1240
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: see you next time I'm in the city. N and Jack.

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, appreciate you, take care of Thanks.

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: So two guests this episode, which I guess makes up

1243
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: for the last three episodes have been shorter. I mean

1244
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: I thought they were good, but just shorter. They were

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: about forty minutes long. So I hope you guys enjoyed

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Speaker 1: both of those. Um and thanks as always to General

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: Tata and coming on last minute with us. I mean

1248
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: I literally texted him right before we started recording because

1249
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: I saw the piece and he was like, yeah, sure,

1250
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: I'll come on and worked out, so be sure to

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Speaker 1: back out Create Club. We have a lot of new

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Speaker 1: Scott Whittner has been working with a lot of the

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Speaker 1: which by the way, was awesome, got a bag from

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Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of great club products. I had

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Speaker 1: a great time. Actually, I ended up staying way longer

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Speaker 1: and a great team of people that we now have. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, like the turnout for how big

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Speaker 1: this place was. It was nice and spacious, which I liked.

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Speaker 1: Like what was like three or four floors something like that.

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Speaker 1: I think the only person other than that mermaid who

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Speaker 1: got in the pool that was Brandon Webb. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone what house is in the pool. The mermaid

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Speaker 1: didn't look too happy. Um all right. Also as a

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Speaker 1: also wanted to mention, I mean, speaking of Trump on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty interesting Dan Crenshaw's tweet to

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Speaker 1: the President after the President said, I think this is

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Speaker 1: one of those tweets he rights just to piss people

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Speaker 1: off and knows it makes no sense, but said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, these biased news sources, and then he somehow

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Speaker 1: lunked Saturday Night Live and how is this legal? And

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Speaker 1: Dan Crenshaw basically retweeted it and said, you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: the media is biased, that they spend things and absolutely

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Speaker 1: remain legal. This is the First Amendment and it's the

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Speaker 1: backbone of our country. And although I don't think he

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Speaker 1: was saying anything that profound that most of us agree with,

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Speaker 1: what I think is interesting is he's a freshman congressman

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Speaker 1: who's a Republican and people assume, don't shake, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't rock the boat. You gotta get in wine with

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Speaker 1: the party. And usually that's the last thing a newly

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Speaker 1: elected UM congressman from the party does, is writes a

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Speaker 1: tweet critical of the President, and I applaud him for

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Speaker 1: doing so. Yeah, I mean, I I like that too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the president has you know, his skin is

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Speaker 1: paper thin. Um, the guy like gets offended by Saturday

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Speaker 1: Night Live. It's like, dude, stop being a bad grow up.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't offended when they were inviting him to

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Speaker 1: come on. So yeah, Well, I have to say, although

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Speaker 1: I disagree with her politics, I've been loving the Acasio

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 1: Cortez tweets. Those have been fun where she's like dropping

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Speaker 1: dime on like this lobbyist and that lobbyist, and like

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01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is gonna have a fucking heart attack because

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: of this girl. Um talking about like ethics stuff that's

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Speaker 1: going on. She's talking about what was that the she

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Speaker 1: was I saw, the one that you liked was basically

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Speaker 1: about how she's not even able to sleep over someone's

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Speaker 1: house or something until she becomes a congress because it

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Speaker 1: could be seen as an ethics breacher. Yeah, and she

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Speaker 1: was like, while at the same time, people are passing

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Speaker 1: these tax breaks that could financially benefit them with you know,

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars and members of Congress are exempt from

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Speaker 1: insider trading laws, but they're personally enriching themselves two hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars I mean millions all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean some of them, the ones who bring in

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Speaker 1: a lot of money for their party. I mean they're

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Speaker 1: almost like right out in the open about their corruption. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the way I take it is, uh

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Speaker 1: Acacio is what is she like around there? She's pretty

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Speaker 1: young and uh, you know, she's going into government all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, bright eyed and bushy tailed,

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01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: and like seeing some of this stuff like holy shit. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I think it's good that people

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Speaker 1: could say, like, I don't agree with this girl, but

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Speaker 1: she's still she's still shedding white on something. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean she's not wrong, she's I mean, I she she's

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Speaker 1: a you know, a wild communist, but um, but when

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Speaker 1: she's pointing out some of these like uh things that

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Speaker 1: I would consider corruption, um, I thank her for doing that.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, I think the criticism should

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Speaker 1: stay with her politics. And I've seen other people talk

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Speaker 1: about this. It does look I don't think it looks

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Speaker 1: good for the other side when their criticism of her is,

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, she got elected to Congress and yet she

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01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: can't afford a uh place in d C. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it makes you look wildly out of touch.

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Speaker 1: She you know, is a bartender working a regular New

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Speaker 1: York City job, and she she was able to gain

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Speaker 1: the momentum to get elected. And I mean it does

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Speaker 1: seem out of touch. And you're telling a girl in

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Speaker 1: her you know, late twenties, why can't you afford a

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Speaker 1: place well, especially if you're the same type of person

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01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: that's like, we need term limits. Why can't we get

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Speaker 1: Joe six Pack in no office? Why can't he represent

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Speaker 1: us well? Joe six Pack is a plumber man. He

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Speaker 1: he can't afford rent in Washington, d C. Either, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he is definitely of the people, there's

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Speaker 1: no there's no uh. I mean, imagine if we had

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Speaker 1: more blue collar people elected to government. I mean I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's necessarily like we should have Joe the

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Speaker 1: plumber running our entire government, of course, um, you know.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, if we had more people

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Speaker 1: who come out of those types of backgrounds, I think

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Speaker 1: the country would be a different place for sure. In

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, Trump is, you know, like the

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Speaker 1: rich version of Joe the plumb You know. One of

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Speaker 1: the funniest things I heard about Trump is like Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is like how poor people think rich people live

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Speaker 1: their lives, you know what I mean with all like

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Speaker 1: the Golden Curtain rods and you know he how he

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Speaker 1: like Trump Tower. It's like you know where he lives. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it looks like one of Saddam Hussein's palaces. Like that's

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Speaker 1: not how um, rich people really live. I mean the

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Speaker 1: And it also goes to how like Trump wants his

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Speaker 1: name on everything in New York City, the people who

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Speaker 1: actually are the real shot callers here in Manhattan, the

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Speaker 1: people who are real names, real power players in real estate.

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Speaker 1: They are so below the radar it's not even funny.

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Speaker 1: And they do everything they can to stay below the radar.

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Speaker 1: They don't want you to know who they were, who

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Speaker 1: who they are or what they own. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine who works in construction in New

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Speaker 1: York City was telling me about, um, how Michael Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: owns tons of tons of buildings. Well, most people, and

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Speaker 1: I've even spoken of friends of Michael Bloomberg who think

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Speaker 1: that he made all of his money and all of

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Speaker 1: his money is tied up in uh in that little

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Speaker 1: finance newspaper, which I'm sure he made tons of money

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Speaker 1: off of. But they don't realize that he owns buildings

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Speaker 1: all over Manhattan. And my my buddy who's in construction,

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Speaker 1: he was telling me, he's like, if you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: name Bloomberg on one of his work sites, you're getting

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Speaker 1: kicked off. Like that's how secretive it is, Like you're off,

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Speaker 1: out done, just mentioned the name. So there's all the

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: there's like code words and stuff. It will be like

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: the the X y Z project or whatever the fuck

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01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: you know. Um So the people who are the real

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Speaker 1: power players, I mean, they're below the radar. You don't

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Speaker 1: know their names, you don't know who they are. And

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is out there, out front with everything all

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Speaker 1: the time. Whatever, all the stuff that Bloomberg owns gets mentioned.

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Speaker 1: I this is the most random story. But I remember

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01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: when my dad transitioned from being funny. I hear the

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01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: word transition, thinking transgender. My dad didn't transition that way,

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01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: transition from telecommunications to working as a title closer. And

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01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: he'd take this class on just like the basic forms

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01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. And apparently the whole class was I think,

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: like Haitian immigrants and stuff. And there's this there's this

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Speaker 1: sheet that that everybody uses in title closing and it's

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Speaker 1: called it's run by Blumberg, apparently. And I always remember

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: my dad coming home and saying, the guy who taught

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Speaker 1: the class was saying, and now this man he'd be mayor,

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Speaker 1: And my dad was like, this is Bloomberg. It's not Bloomberg,

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Speaker 1: But I always think of that for some reason. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, obviously the guy owns a lot. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember when he um Do you remember also when

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Speaker 1: he was flying his helicopter, private helicopter, and basically like

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01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: they were told him, they told him during certain hours,

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Speaker 1: you cannot fly your helicopter. And he got a bunch

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: of crap for that. Yeah, it just goes to, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, the view of the him in particular that

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01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 1: like the rules don't apply to him. He was a

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Speaker 1: guy who didn't want who who was four term limits

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Speaker 1: and then he basically helped to elect himself a third term.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, well, I mean I always remember about Bloomberg

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01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: is you know, two thousand and eight, hit Um people

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01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 1: were super super pissed at the banks and the hedge

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Speaker 1: funds and everyone else are rightfully so, and um, a

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Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs executive somebody was pretty high up there published

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Speaker 1: an op ed in the New York Times like talking

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01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: about how fucked up Goldman Sachs is. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we used to be a company where people

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01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: could trust their money, you know, trust that we're doing

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Speaker 1: the right thing with their money. And he's like, now

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01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,799
Speaker 1: I hear the executives referring to our clients has muppets

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01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff. He's like, this company is

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Speaker 1: fucked up. And uh, the day after that op ed

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Speaker 1: went out, Mayor Bloomberg runs down to Goldman Sachs has

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Speaker 1: a meeting with them. I mean the masters of the universe.

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01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know who's really running things? Are you

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Speaker 1: saying it's the Jews? Jack, masters of the universe talking

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Speaker 1: about a powerful Jewish man? Uh No, that's not where

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Speaker 1: I was going that. I was talking about high finance.

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, I've basically just joking some some of whom,

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Speaker 1: some of whom are Jewish. Yes, Jack, the j Q.

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Speaker 1: You know what the j Q is right, Jewish something

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01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: the Jewish question? Okay, Yeah, I I kind of track

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01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: the right people a little bit, and so I'm familiar

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Speaker 1: with all the terminology they use. That one I've I

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01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: haven't the j Q. That's gonna keep you up at

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Speaker 1: Now you're gonna be staring at the ceiling and asking

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01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: yourself about the j Q. I look it up. I'm

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: very interested in all and all this stuff. I think,

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01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, I like to know who these kind of

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Speaker 1: fringe groups are in America, so I can we should

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01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: do like a whole show about that, probably because I

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01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: know we talked about it a long time when I

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01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: went on my little rant about the left wing vets.

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01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: We should probably do a show about this stuff that's

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01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 1: happening on the far right, um, because there there's some

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01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: creepy stuff going on there. Do you remember the guy

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: who sent a huge, long, rambling letter to us which

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Speaker 1: serious XM, and it was all about how the Atticin

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Speaker 1: is running everything, the Catholic Church is running America. Was

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Speaker 1: that the one where it's like size ten font ten

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Speaker 1: pages and he had all this like weird stuff about

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01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: how like the Jews are doing this, and I can't

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Speaker 1: I remember it was mostly about the Vatican. It was

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Speaker 1: all I mean, it's all lumped in there. Um. The

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Speaker 1: person who wrote that was probably paranoid schizophrenic, oh definitely.

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Speaker 1: And he sent one to me, he sent one to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we all we all got one. Yeah, we still get

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Speaker 1: those emails people send us emails. Sometimes it's more interesting though,

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Speaker 1: when you get an actual letter email. Yeah, there's no

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01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: white powder in it though, and thank god for that. Yeah,

1474
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: I'd prefer rambling. I mean it makes me laugh actually,

1475
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: so it's there's no harm done. The lizard people, I mean, yeah,

1476
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: I'd have to go like dig up through all of

1477
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: my emails and I could like show you guys stuff

1478
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: that like boggle your mind. Yeah, that's David Ike. The

1479
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: the reptilian reptilians that you know, Hillary Quintin is literally

1480
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 1: a reptile. If you watch the video closely, you can

1481
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:04,480
Speaker 1: see eyes changed, a yellow shape shifting, shape shifting pedophile

1482
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 1: lizard people. And then there's also you know, this would

1483
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: be you probably could bring an expert on to refute

1484
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: this one. The people who believe in chim trails, and yeah,

1485
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: chim trails. The other thing I think is really interesting

1486
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: is the phenomena of people who um what they call

1487
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: gang stalking. UM. They think that there's like secret agents

1488
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: following them around everywhere they go and bombarding them with

1489
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: um like electronic waves, manipulating their minds and things like

1490
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: that is that like, um, what's it called mk ultra. Yeah,

1491
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: it all plays into that. And the New York Times

1492
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: actually did a pretty interesting article because what he was

1493
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: saying is, you know, with the prevalence of the the

1494
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: Internet and social media and so on, all of these

1495
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: people are UM. They come together now and they can

1496
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: have UM like meetings and conferences and it creates sort

1497
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: of like a self reinforcing feedback loop that it's like, oh,

1498
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: this is happening to you, me too, and you know,

1499
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: it makes the reality more real. Yeah. I did see that.

1500
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: There's like a National Flat Earth Conference every years. Yeah,

1501
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: they're probably there's probably stuff for everything that would be

1502
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: an interesting one. Just a fringe group, you know, extremists,

1503
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot. I was I was looking at one

1504
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: UM the other day. It's I can't remember the name

1505
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: of the group off hand, UM, but they're based in Britain,

1506
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: uh and there they are essentially pagan Satanist Nazis. It's yeah,

1507
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: it's like a little subculture. What's honestly scary is that

1508
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: is when any of these people who believe in these

1509
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: things got elected, and it does happen, whether it's the

1510
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: state office or you know, less often to national office.

1511
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a time where David Duke was

1512
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: like a state representative. He almost got elected to congressman. UM.

1513
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: He's also run for president, not that he had any chance.

1514
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I think it's it's very complicated to get into all

1515
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: of this, but UM, I and there's a lot of

1516
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: different angles to look at it. But I would all

1517
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: for a few thoughts. I'd say one is that our

1518
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: government UM is failing and has been failing for several

1519
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: decades now to provide a national narrative about who we

1520
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: are and where we're going and what we're trying to accomplish.

1521
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of lost that after the

1522
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: Cold War UM. And what what comes in to fill

1523
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: that void? UM? Are a lot of other voices, and

1524
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: some of them are good voices, and some of them

1525
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: are bad voices. UM. And I think that right now again,

1526
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: we're in a feedback loop UM. From my perspective, UM,

1527
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: because you know, racism has always existed in American anti

1528
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: Semitism has always existed and in the world, in the

1529
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: world and now UM. But I feel that the left,

1530
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: the far left, has made some really big strategic mistakes

1531
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and what they're doing is um advancing identity politics. So

1532
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: what they're saying is that every identity should be celebrated. UM.

1533
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 1: That you have an identity that that is your primary identity,

1534
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,839
Speaker 1: is your race, UM, your your gender, your orientation, whatever

1535
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: it is, UM, and all these things need to be celebrated,

1536
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: except for one. There's one identity that's bad, uh, and

1537
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: that is the white male. The white male is the

1538
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: bad identity. And what that does is UM, it puts.

1539
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, there are people like me, you shrug it

1540
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: off and like we'll go fund yourself, you know whatever.

1541
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: But then there's gonna be a lot of people who

1542
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: that that issue of identity is so important. And if

1543
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: you crush the identity of white men, a lot of

1544
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: them are gonna be thrown into chaos. They're going to

1545
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: be thrown into this sort of like existential crisis, and

1546
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: they're gonna go out looking for an identity. And now

1547
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: whose hands are they going to fall into? They're gonna

1548
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: fall into the old right uh, to neo Nazi groups.

1549
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: Because what they're saying essentially is they're looking at the

1550
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: far left and their identity politics and they're saying, you

1551
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: know what, those guys over there are right they're right

1552
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: about identity politics. It's all about race. It's all about

1553
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: your racial identity, and now the white male needs to

1554
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: accept that fact. You have to realize that you belong

1555
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: to the white race and you have to defend your race. Um.

1556
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean when I say it's a

1557
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: feedback loop that they're they're UM unintentionally creating a feeder

1558
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: mechanism that's gonna put disenfranchised white people into the hands

1559
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: of extremist organizations. And I'm sure the the UM this

1560
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: is something that the far left doesn't want to hear,

1561
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they'll refute it vigorously, but uh, this

1562
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: is that's that's kind of my fear with the extremist

1563
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: groups right now. And I think that because we don't

1564
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: have a mission statement as a country, because we don't

1565
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: have a grand narrative anymore, that it is left the

1566
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 1: door open for people to drift towards um extremist ideologies

1567
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: on the far left or the far right. Um that

1568
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: when you get into this kind of like alt right

1569
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,600
Speaker 1: type stuff, or you get into Antifa, you get to

1570
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,600
Speaker 1: have belong to a group, you get to have a

1571
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: group identity, and you get to feel like you're a

1572
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: little bit more clever than everyone else, that you've cracked

1573
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: the code, that you've been red pilled. That's the other

1574
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: term they like to use. You've been red pilled and

1575
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: now you can see the truth. Now you're woke and all. Also,

1576
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: I don't think it helps to silence these people because

1577
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,799
Speaker 1: then you feel like you're part of an even more oppressed,

1578
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 1: right you know, with now you're you're part of an insurgency,

1579
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: You're part of the underground. It's exciting, right yeah. I mean,

1580
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: as I mentioned during the interview with A. J. Tay

1581
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: to Uh, you know, Gavin McGinnis and the Proud Boys

1582
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: in this whole movement, and I think it adds some

1583
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: mystique to it. When you kick this guy off of

1584
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: all platforms. It's like you're it's like smoking marijuana when

1585
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: you're sixteen years old or something like that. Your parents

1586
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: are like, no, don't do that, that's dangerous. You know,

1587
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: it's a forbidden fruit. Um So, but you know, the

1588
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: far left is really into the d platform ng aspect um.

1589
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: It's a it's kind of a key um facet of

1590
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: the anti fascist ideology in Europe, which is kind of

1591
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: coming over here. Now, UM, it's counterproductive over the long

1592
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: haul because what you what you what you just said

1593
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: that you're creating this sort of um romanticized revolutionary group.

1594
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: The other thing you're doing is you're driving these people

1595
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 1: further underground. So if they are on Twitter and they're

1596
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,600
Speaker 1: on Facebook and all this kind of crap, and as

1597
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: much as we don't want to see their their bullshit, UM,

1598
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: at least you can monitor what they're doing and what

1599
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: they're saying, UM, and you can look at their messaging. UM.

1600
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: You know, it reminds me of um our dean when

1601
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: I went to Columbia University and they had what's his

1602
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 1: face a meta majade meta jade from from Iran to

1603
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: come and speak at Columbia, and our Dean was like,

1604
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, the right hated us for doing that, but

1605
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 1: he's like, would I have Hitler come here and speak

1606
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: in nree? Hell? Yeah, because now people understand how stupid

1607
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: this guy is and they understand how full of ship

1608
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah. You know what I thought was interesting

1609
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: about that speech. I don't know if you remember, and

1610
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: to me, it kind of spoke to the people in

1611
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: in Columbia the university was I remember AKADENI said all

1612
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: these horrible things about America, about the West, and the

1613
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: audience just listened to that. But then when he went

1614
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 1: onto the anti gay stuff, that's when they started doing,

1615
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I felt like, why, you know, if

1616
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna boo, I would boo all of that. Yeah. Well,

1617
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean if you're on the far left, that's what

1618
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 1: kind of unites um. Unites people together as the anti

1619
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: Americanism UM, which is another thing I find concerning. Now.

1620
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 1: I know you're a big advocate of the horseshoe theory

1621
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: and all that, and I'm not like so much into that. UM.

1622
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the far left and

1623
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 1: the far right, they do join forces on some certain

1624
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: issues like authoritarianism, right, it does come full circle. UM.

1625
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: They're also united in the anti Americanism UM. The antifa types,

1626
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: the communists, Anarco communists, and the old right neo Nazi types.

1627
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: They are anti American UM. They hate our constitution. They

1628
01:32:55,960 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: want to destroy the U S Constitution and rebuild something else. UM.

1629
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: They're both communalists. They want to create a community UM

1630
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: around identity. UM. So there are many differences between the two.

1631
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to make childish like say this is

1632
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: like that because they are very different the far left

1633
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: and far right, um, but they have a few things

1634
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: in common as well. Yeah. I mean if you watch

1635
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: some of the Gavin McGinnis stuff, who, by the way,

1636
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've met and it's honestly a nice guy

1637
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: in person. I know, the Proud Boys things started almost

1638
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 1: as a joke. But the equips that have been pulled

1639
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: of of why he should be d platforms of him

1640
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: advocating violence, it's really the same thing as Antifa advocating violence,

1641
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: and they're advocating violence against each other. I just I

1642
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: don't think, you know, to be fair, I don't think

1643
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: Antifa has like a Gavin McGinnis public figure who's out there,

1644
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 1: who has like a presence on a certain network, which

1645
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 1: he did get kicked off CRTV. So yeah, well, I

1646
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: mean the thing about Antifa and their stupidity is that

1647
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: they think they're still in the nineteen eighties, like doing

1648
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: this like black Bock anarchy thing, like they're protesting a

1649
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: sucking g O Leven summit in Toronto. It's like, no, dude,

1650
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: that's over. Um. And in that sense, in the you know,

1651
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: they're still wearing the black ski masks and all that

1652
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit. Um. The alt right people, they're they're

1653
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: actually quite a bit smarter, I think, as far as

1654
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: their messaging and how they approach things. Because what they're

1655
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: doing is they're taking that, um, the days of the

1656
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: skinheads and the arian nation, like that's over, that's done.

1657
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: The alt right today on the white supremacy of today. Um,

1658
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: they're finding ways to make it cool and hip and um,

1659
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: how to package it and market it to a younger

1660
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: generation of people. Um. And in that sense, I think

1661
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the alt right is actually more dangerous at this moment

1662
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:50,759
Speaker 1: because they are more sophisticated in how they're selling their message. UM.

1663
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 1: Antifa is still like it feels like they're in vapor

1664
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: lock in the nine eighties or something. I don't know

1665
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: what the hell they're thinking. So out of curiosity since

1666
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, were you there when accumented y'ad spoke

1667
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: at Columbia? No, I wasn't there. I think there was

1668
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: before your time, right, Yeah, I mean I think I

1669
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: was in the army when that happened. Got you okay?

1670
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: Would you have gone? Um? I don't know. I tend

1671
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: to avoid those kinds of things. I don't. I don't

1672
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: think I would have gone. Yeah, I mean, but it

1673
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,799
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing, just like you know, it's probably

1674
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: interesting for you to get to, uh interview a side,

1675
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, like you're in the guy who who many

1676
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: want killed. Well, I mean work especially, you know, working

1677
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: as a journalist. I reserve the right to talk to

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Speaker 1: any person any time. Um, you know, and sometimes you

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Speaker 1: have to interview people who are extremists and I disagree

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Speaker 1: with politically or whatever else. But you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: a journalist and you're trying to cover these things, you

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Speaker 1: know you have to go and talk to people. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well this has been a good one, great two interviews

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Speaker 1: and random discussion after which we often get into I

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Speaker 1: think probably it's been like boiling inside of us since

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Speaker 1: I've been away for a whole week and I'm used

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Speaker 1: to seeing you twice a week. I think I missed this.

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Speaker 1: And now we gotta film and well I'm a little

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Speaker 1: nervous about it, but we gotta film my news segment.

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Speaker 1: We're doing that, and then uh, I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: the company wants to do with that. I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be on i G t V. And I imagine

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Speaker 1: you'll end up on YouTube. All right, I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: a bi weekly news segment. Yeah, so'll be on the

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Speaker 1: look that. Yeah, you've been listening to Self Red Radio.

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