1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 2: For earlier access to these episodes, access to Ask Me 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: Anything sessions, and extended breakdowns of historical and current events. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Please consider joining our Warning Premium community by clicking the 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: link in the description to this episode. I am thrilled 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: today to be joined by my friend Gail Becker, who 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: is the founder and CEO former CEO of Collie Power Pizza. 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: She stepped aside from that role once the company hit 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars in valuation. She is an entrepreneur, 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: she is a woman business leader. She is the daughter 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: of a Holocaust survivor, and she has one of the 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: most fascinating stories, one of the most inspirational ones that 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: you're going to find. So welcome Gail Becker. 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve, Thank you for such a nice intro. 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: It certainly great to be with an old, dear friend. 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: So we were in Hamburg, Germany, at a at a 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: bar and we were talking. 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: We were talking. 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: We had escaped from an Edelman corporate meeting with some 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: of the other troubled troubled employees. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: If you were coming back to me, you were. 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: An unlikely suspect, I will say, to be out. You 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: would normally have been upfront, leading, doing doing things. 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: But but we got you out. 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: You you cut the meeting and we were at a 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: bar and you were telling me about your kids, Uh, 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: they had Celiac disease. And you were talking about healthy eating, 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: which is hard in Germany, and there were no vegetables, 29 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: and we talked about collie flower and I said, that's 30 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: my least favorite vegea and you said, you said, I 31 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: make pizza with collie flower crust. And I was like, 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: there's no such thing, Gail, and you were like, no, 33 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: there is. It's probably why you never asked me to 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: be on the board or anything. 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: But you you. 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Have taken an idea that was really a necessity as 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: a mom. You're a business executive, a business leader running 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: Edelman's Los Angeles Operations, West Coast Operations, one of the 39 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: very senior executives in the company. You're going home, you're 40 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: making pizza dough, you're doing this and you turn it 41 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: into a one hundred million dollar business. 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: How does that happen? 43 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds kind of crazy when you say it 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: all like that, but yeah, you know, it was really 45 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 3: an interesting moment in time. Really three things had sort 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: of converged My life one was, Yeah, we did work 47 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: in corporate America together, and that day at that Hamburg 48 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: bar and days like it were certainly wonderful. 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 4: But the longer I spent in corporate America, the more 50 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: I realized. 51 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: I need something else. I want to do something more meaningful. 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: I want to help people, but I didn't quite know 53 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: what that was. Around the same time, my father passed away. 54 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 3: My father, as you know, it was a Holocaust survivor. 55 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: Actually both my parents were. I'm a first generation American, 56 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: and when he died, something inside me sort of just snapped, 57 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: and I realized I needed to honor him in some way. 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: He was an entrepreneur. He came here with nothing, he 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: built a small business the American dream, and I knew, 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: I just, I just I just had to change my 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: life and honor him. And then around the same time, 62 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: I am the mom of two boys with Celiac disease. 63 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: I was always looking for ways to sort of put 64 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: more nutrients into their diet. I was very disheartened by 65 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: what I saw in the frozen food aisle, and I 66 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: made cauliflower CRUs pizza one time. I found a recipe 67 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: on their internet. They were about five hundred thousand at 68 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: the time. 69 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 5: And it was okay, and my son asked me to 70 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 5: make it again, and I said no, it did ninety 71 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 5: minutes when I got home for a full day of work, 72 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 5: as you said, but I looked for it everywhere I 73 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 5: couldn't find it. 74 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: I put all of. 75 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: Those three things together, my disenchantment with corporate life, this hole, 76 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: this desire to honor my entrepreneurial father, and the realization that, 77 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: you know what, people deserve better food and they shouldn't 78 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: have to be relegated to spend ninety minutes to make it. 79 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: And I put all those in a blender and I 80 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: came out with I know I'm going to leave my 81 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: job and start a company called Colliepower. And that's what 82 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: I did in May of twenty sixty. 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: And so there's so many threads there I wanna I 84 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: want to pick up and I want to talk about. 85 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: But let's start with your dissing enchantment. Okay, you are 86 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: a senior executive. You have climbed as high in this 87 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: company as as. 88 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: You can go or would want to go. 89 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: You know when I when I was there, I didn't 90 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: I tried to evade promotions, right, you. 91 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: Know that was you. But but you are. 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: Mid career, you know almost, am I allowed to say 93 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: you're when you start this? 94 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: I was up there. 95 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean you're in your forties. Sure, yeah, okay. 96 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: And and you start something, you start something new, but 97 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: talk about talk about what's missing? Because you have everything 98 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: you're supposed to have, right that they tell you, Yeah. 99 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: It's so true, it's so beautifully said, Steve. You're You're, 100 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: You're exactly right. I think maybe even particularly for women, 101 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, if you do all of this and you 102 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: work super hard and you manage your your kids and 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: you do all that, you're living the dream and you're 104 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: getting promoted and they're paying you a good salary, What 105 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: more could you possibly want out of life? And I 106 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: was really heading down that track until I realized I 107 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: did want something more out of life. 108 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 6: And I think losing someone close to you makes you 109 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 6: recognize the fragility of life and you either better be 110 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 6: doing something you love or have one hell of a 111 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 6: time trying, because. 112 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: Boy, who knows what's going to be here tomorrow? And 113 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 3: for me it was the passing of my father. For 114 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: a lot of your listeners, it could be the pandemic. 115 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: Didn't that also make us realize the fragility of life. 116 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: And I just knew I wanted something different. I had 117 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: never taken a bet on myself. I had always relied on, 118 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: you know, someone else to put my you know, to 119 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: give me a paycheck or promote me. To your point, 120 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: I just something inside me. I can only describe it 121 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: as a calling. Just said, this is something I need 122 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: to do because I didn't want to know what would 123 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: have happened if I didn't do it. And the day 124 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: I left our former place of work is the day 125 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: that I wrote a blog called It's better to say 126 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: oops than what if? 127 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: Better to say oops than what if? What if? 128 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: About your father? 129 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: So, my dad, he was liberated from Auschwitz. He was 130 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: there for four years. He came to America with nothing 131 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: less than nothing, no family, no money, no language, no help. 132 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: And he was drafted to fight in the Korean War 133 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: shortly after he got here, which is something a lot 134 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: of people don't know. They used to draft the survivors. 135 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: The boat after the Korean War left him off in 136 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: San Francisco, and that's where he built his small business. 137 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: That's where he bought a tiny little house in nineteen 138 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: seventy four, about sixty two thousand dollars a little pink house. 139 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: And it was that little pink house that I sold 140 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: to put everything, literally I had into college work. 141 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that little pink house in 142 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: a minute, but tell me more about your father. He's 143 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: born in what country? 144 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: He was born in Germany, and all his family was 145 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: killed during the war, with the exception of his brother, 146 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: who was in the camp with him. And you know 147 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: when the camp when the when he was liberately, he 148 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: used to do. He was what was known as a 149 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: summer commando. And those are the the the Jews who 150 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: were forced into labor by the Nazis. So in my 151 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: dad's case, he pulled the gold teeth out of the 152 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: remains before they put them in the oven. And he 153 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: did that for about four years. And he did that 154 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: because when he got off the train, the Nazi said, 155 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: what does your father do? And he's my dad said, 156 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: I'm a dentist. And he handed him a pair of 157 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 3: pliers and said, okay, you're going to pull the gold teeth, 158 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: and that's what he did. 159 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: And he you know, he was a remarkable man, and 160 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: I just loved this country every single day of my life. 161 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: He would say the following to me, he would say, 162 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: God bless America. You say, Gail, do you have any 163 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: idea how lucky you are to be born in this country? 164 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: And you know, it's interesting you use the word threads before, Steve, 165 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: And there are so many threads from my childhood, from 166 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: being the child of two survivors, from being his child, 167 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: that I could put together now and say, oh, my goodness, 168 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: of course this is what I ended up doing with 169 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: my life. You know, my father used to he built 170 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: a small salvage business. He used to buy dented cans 171 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: of food and other things and sell them to hotels 172 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: and restaurants around San Francisco. I would go with him 173 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: on these sales calls. I had no idea I was 174 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: going on sales calls at the time, like, you know, 175 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: six seven years old. I used to ring the cash 176 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: register at my dad's store starting at five years five 177 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: years old. And I really got such a good sense 178 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: of business, of knowing people, of building building relationships, and 179 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: how that is really the corner storm stone of business. 180 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: And you know, and I think, you know that's why 181 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: when he died. You know, he always said to me, 182 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: why would you want to work for somebody else? Never 183 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 3: understood it. He never understood it. I used to say, 184 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: as we all do, oh Dad, never understanding what he 185 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: was trying to tell me. And when he passed away, 186 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: it was like a light bulb went off in my 187 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: head and I said, oh, now I get it, and 188 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: that's why I turned my life upside down to honor him. 189 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: Tell me about your mom. 190 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: My mom was also born in Germany. She was in 191 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: the kinder transport, so she they basically put her on 192 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: a train and to go live with a Catholic family 193 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: in England. Never saw her parents, never saw her mother 194 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: or brother again, but her father did make it out. 195 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 3: He went to London to get her. They lived there 196 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: for a little while and then they both came to 197 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: America on the Queen Mary. And my grandfather, who's obviously 198 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: the only grandparent I ever met, he had a small 199 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: dairy farm in uh in Orange County, California, which way 200 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: back then used to be all farm And so, you know, 201 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: sometimes I sort of halfway joke and say I grew 202 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: up on a farm. In many ways I did, because 203 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: we each had our own pet cow. I used to 204 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: have to milk it and take care of it, and 205 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: you know, so I've always I think I'm probably the 206 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: only person in the world who loves the smell of cows. 207 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: But I there there was something, you know, that that 208 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: sort of farming, the importance of food, which I think 209 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: which which was a theme from both of my parents 210 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: because they went so for hungryce for so long. Food 211 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: was always the utmost important in growing up. And so 212 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: there were so many telltale signs that led to me 213 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: that led me to this moment in my life. Brothers 214 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: and sisters, two sisters. Unfortunately, one passed away during COVID 215 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: from COVID. 216 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Very sorry about that. 217 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: When you think about your life, it's improbability, is that 218 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: your father and your mother survived, they survived to genocide, 219 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: and they made it to the United States. 220 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think about that a lot, actually, Steve, 221 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: it's a it's I can hear the weight of it 222 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: in your words. I feel the weight of it on 223 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: my shoulders, and I think that's why I thought, Gosh, 224 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: I better not waste it. 225 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: Your father works his entire life. He's not a rich man. No, 226 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: he's a working class American. He owns a business, he 227 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: survived combat, he survived Auschwitz, he raises a family, and 228 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: he leaves something behind to you. Yeah, and he gives 229 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: you in an inheritance that small pink house. 230 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: Ye, what do you do with it? 231 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: Against the advice of just about everyone I know, I 232 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: sold it and I put every last time into Collige Power. 233 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: I wish I could say why I did it now. 234 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: Lots of people come up to me and say, oh, 235 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: my goodness, that was so smart. Sure, looking back, it 236 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: probably was pretty smart. But at the time it was 237 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: probably the stupidest thing I could have done. You know. 238 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: Let's take really, you know, the only money I'm ever 239 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: going to inherit. 240 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 7: And which wasn't a huge amount by you know, but 241 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 7: but enough, and put it into a business that I 242 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 7: knew nothing and into an industry that I knew nothing about. 243 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: Smart talk about talking about what it's like emotionally for 244 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: you to be all in. 245 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: All. Yeah. 246 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: I call this the Cortez strategy. This is this is 247 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: when you burn the boats on the beach. 248 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 249 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: There's no way back, Yeah. 250 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: Only only forward. You will either succeed, yeah or you 251 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: will fail. 252 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's interesting. Two things. One is I, you know, 253 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: in the beginning before so I worked on callipower for 254 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: about a year before I told anyone what it was 255 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: and before I launched in market, and I remember thinking 256 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: back to that year, like, boy, that was great, right, 257 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: I had no one to disappoint. I could have it 258 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: could have failed a hundred times there during that first 259 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: year of building the company, and no one would have known, 260 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: and it was sort of great. And no one was 261 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: relying on me. I didn't have many employees, and it 262 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: was it was great. It was just me. The bigger 263 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 3: I got, the more people I relied on me, the 264 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: more mouths I had to feed when I as I 265 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: grew and got investors and all of these different stakeholders 266 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 3: in the business. The weight of it is sometimes, you know, strangulating. 267 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: It is because it is particularly during the pandemic, which 268 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: exacerbated everything. It is all that I thought about morning, noon, night. 269 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: I would wake up first thing thinking about it. I'd 270 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: go to bed last thing thinking about it. I would 271 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: fight for that business like it was my third child. 272 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: I never I don't have two children. I have three children, 273 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: Collie Power being the third. And let me tell you, 274 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: by far the most challenging of the three, by far. 275 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: But what I will say to your question, which is 276 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 3: a very very good one, what I've decided to do 277 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: in order to sort of make it through that that weight, 278 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: that that that that all in this is I decided 279 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: to change my definition of success so and to change 280 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: my debt my So, what I mean by that is 281 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: some people define success, Oh, I got a huge valuation, 282 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: or I was able to raise X millions of dollars, 283 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: or I was able to sell the company for why 284 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: or whatever it is, that's not success to me. What 285 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: is success to me is something I've already done. I 286 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 3: made that very first step. I cashed in everything I had, 287 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: and I bet on myself and I am an entrepreneur. Now. 288 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what the future is going to hold. 289 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 3: I hope it's good, but who that who the heck knows? 290 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: We're certainly while our way. But shouldn't that be people's 291 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: definition of success? Why does success always have to be monetary? 292 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: Why can't it be your willingness to try, your willingness 293 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: to challenge yourself to learn something new, to bet on 294 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: yourself to see what the world has to offer. That's 295 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: a far better, and I would say richer definition of success. 296 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: You just said something that struck me, and it was 297 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: the passion that you said it declaratively, you declared, And 298 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: you sure fucking are right, you said, you said right, 299 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt, right, you said, I am 300 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: an entrepreneur. 301 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I. 302 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: Met you, you were not true. You were not an 303 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: entrepreneur in your twenties, nor your thirties, forties. You are 304 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: in your fifties and you've built a really big company. 305 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: Many how many people work for Collige Power? 306 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: Well, not including obviously our manufacturing because those are co 307 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: manufacturers and we don't include So it's not the people 308 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: that work on the floor making our pizzas, although they're 309 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: clearly there are hundreds and hundreds of do that. But 310 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: just in sort of corporate headquarter land, it's about it's 311 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: over fifty. 312 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: What have you learned about leadership in running a company 313 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: that you didn't know as an executive and a big 314 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: company who was fundamentally a consultant, Right, you were advising 315 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: big companies, some of the biggest in the world, on 316 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: their crises, on their strategies, on their marketing, on their brand, 317 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: on one hundred different public faith saying activities. 318 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: I learned a couple things, and I would say even 319 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: maybe even I think you know the pandemic even even 320 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: helps sort of drive some of this home. Well, the 321 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: first thing I would say, just in terms of your 322 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: consultant reference, which is a good one, because you're absolutely right. 323 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 3: The interesting thing about being a consultant is that, and 324 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 3: you know this better than anyone, sometimes people listen to 325 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: you and sometimes they don't. And guess what you get 326 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: to do when you start your own business. You get 327 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: to listen to yourself. You get to listen to all 328 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 3: that advice that no one else bothered to take. That's liberating, 329 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 3: that's amazing, and that's really been an eye opening part 330 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 3: of this business. 331 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 8: But the other key. 332 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: Part to leadership is listening. And when you start a 333 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 3: business that you know nothing, in an industry that you 334 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 3: know nothing about, what do you have to do? You 335 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: have to hire people smarter than you, who know the business, 336 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: who've been in it. So what did I do the 337 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 3: very first day that I decided to start a business 338 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: called Collige Power. I hired consultants because I needed them 339 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: to teach me about the industry. And what is so 340 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: interesting I think, particularly about being a slightly older entrepreneur, 341 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: is that you have the courage and the confidence to 342 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: ask a lot of questions, to say you don't know something. 343 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: To listen to other people doesn't mean you need to 344 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 3: always follow their advice, but you need to listen. 345 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just say, do you do you think being 346 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: over fifty is a huge differentiator in that you're at 347 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: a place in life if you look back, like at 348 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: yourself at thirty five forty, when you're dealing with the bankers, 349 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: when you're dealing with the lawyers, when you're dealing with 350 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: all of the things that come with a company that 351 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: becomes a nine figure company that's worth over one hundred 352 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: million dollars, the capacity to look at it with some 353 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: life experience and say. 354 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Get out of here. You're not 355 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: going to take for me what what I built? 356 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: And how how have you navigated that as you've as 357 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: you've gone through this, I mean again right as you said, 358 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: right you truly and I and I have a question 359 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: right that's that that that's coming up right, which is 360 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: just the operations of it to mechanics, right, like, how 361 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: do you do it? How do you go setting about 362 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: to do this? 363 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: But you have no kind. 364 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: Of core competency in the space. You are not from 365 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: a banking background, you're from a from a PR and 366 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: marketing background, and you start it, you build it, you 367 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: navigate it, and you don't lose it along the way, 368 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 2: including during the biggest supply source disruption right in modern 369 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: world history, which occurs during during pandemic. 370 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, what is it that you're relying on? 371 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: Is it? Is it a little bit of wisdom? Is 372 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: it channeling your dad? Is it a native grit? 373 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: What? What? 374 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: What is it that's fueling you right into a space 375 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: where you know nothing about it? 376 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 377 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: Ah wow, such a good question. I would say it's 378 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: a couple things. First off, look, there are lots of 379 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: people who come from you know, very popular business schools, 380 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 3: very famous business schools, and they graduate with a business 381 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: plan and they say, Okay, I'm gonna graduate, here's my 382 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: business plan. I'm going to start a business. I'm gonna 383 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: make X amount of money, then i'm gonna sell it. 384 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna do this. And that's a great way 385 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: to start the business. I got nothing against that, But 386 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: that's all my way because I never started the business 387 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: for that reason. I started the business. And this I 388 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: think is key And maybe it is. Maybe it is 389 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: associated with being a slightly older entrepreneur. Maybe it is 390 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: associated with being a female entrepreneur. I don't know, maybe 391 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 3: a little bit of both. But the one thing I 392 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: knew was, you know what, I had a pretty good 393 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: gig in corporate life. I used to make a lot 394 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: of money. I won't say that night, So tell us 395 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: I'm a good gig. Now I have the opposite of 396 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: all that. Half as rich, twice as happy. That's what 397 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: I always say. But what's the point. The point is 398 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 3: I left that to achieve something that was going to 399 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: be more of a mission. I needed to listen to 400 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: my mission. And for me, my mission was helping people. 401 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: And that knowledge of the consumer, that empathy with the consumer, 402 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 3: there was what I came to learn is nothing was 403 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 3: more valuable than that. Why think about it like this, 404 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 3: Companies like Nestlie and but other any huge you know, 405 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: corporate conglomerate in the in the grocery store, they spend 406 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars on R and D every year. 407 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: Why did I, someone who had no experience in food, 408 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: come up with the called the Frozen College Because I 409 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: knew what the consumer wanted. Of course I did my 410 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: research as well, though probably not enough, but I knew it. 411 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: I knew it, and I wanted to give it to them. 412 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: And that is what drove me then, and that is 413 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: what drives me today. And that is Yes, did I 414 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: get hurt along the way because I didn't know investment 415 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: banking and I didn't know private equity and I didn't 416 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: know the investor world. I sure as hell did. I 417 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 3: Sure as hell did I did. But do I get 418 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: up every morning thinking about our consumers and the ways 419 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: that I can help them. I do. Do. I read 420 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: every single piece of email, social media content, letter, phone call, 421 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: every single thing that every consumer has ever said written 422 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: to us. I've read every less word. So both skills 423 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: are really good. Having only one is going to hurt 424 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: you by not having the other. But at the end 425 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: of the day, is knowing banking and investment and private equity? 426 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 3: Is that going to make you a good company? 427 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: What is the number one lesson you learned when you 428 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: talked about being bruised by the bankers, the lawyers through it? 429 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: What is it? What would you tell to. 430 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: An aspiring entrepreneur or someone who's building a company and 431 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: it's starting to starting to succeed, it's starting to go, it's. 432 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Starting to grow. 433 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: I would probably say two things I would say, one, 434 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: hire a lot of lawyers, lots of lawyers. And by 435 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: the way, when I say lots of lawyers, I do 436 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: mean lots of lawyers. Don't use one lawyer for everything. 437 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: You need a lawyer who specializes in manufacturing, a lawyer 438 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: who specializes in banking, a lawyer who specializes in investors, 439 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: a lawyer who specializes employment, lots of specialty. 440 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: Lawyers, and one to keep an eye on all of them. 441 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: And one to keep an eye on all exactly like. 442 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: You can't overestimate the necessity of lawyers, unfortunately, but if 443 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: you won't do that, you are definitely at a disadvantage. 444 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: The other thing I will say. The other two things 445 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: I will say is one never underestimate the amount of 446 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: people the ecosystem who was out there waiting to pray 447 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: on entrepreneurs, on founders, on people starting businesses, full of them, 448 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: lots of people who are there to help you. Boy, 449 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be anywhere where I am if I didn't 450 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 3: meet so many people wanting to help the David versus 451 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: the Goliath. And you know, every day I'm so grateful 452 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 3: for them. But also lots of people waiting to take 453 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: advantage of you as well. And then finally, I think, 454 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: as a as an entrepreneur, you have to realize, no 455 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: one is going to care as much as you do. 456 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: No one's gonna work as hard, no one's going to 457 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 3: care as much. And you know what, as soon as 458 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: you make that realization, that's okay, that's okay. They're still 459 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: going to work really hard, They're still going to care, 460 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: but don't expect anyone to care as much as you do. 461 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: There's a there's a profile in the Washington Post by 462 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: I think a woman who has aim on being the 463 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: best sportswriter in America, Sally Jenkins. It's a profile on 464 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: two of the great athletes of my younger days, Chris 465 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: Everett and Martina Navratilova, and their rivalry and their friendship. 466 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: And it is a brilliant, brilliant piece of writing and 467 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: journalism in this complex portrait of these two super athletes, 468 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: super competitors, and this bond of friendship, of rivalry, of 469 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: a lifetime relationship fifty years, their struggles with cancer that 470 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: they share vividly in this and it is a. 471 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful profile. 472 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: One of the features of it that I found completely fascinating, 473 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: and I think is a big difference between men and 474 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: women is that it remarks and they are both of 475 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: them grateful at the place in life that they both 476 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: are that their records are split time. 477 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Two of the. 478 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: Greatest women tennis champions of all time, icons women who 479 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: were each other's chief rivals, have a split decision and 480 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: equal number of championships, and they're good with it. And 481 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: my theory is no guy is going to be good 482 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: with that, or very few. And I'm gonna use my 483 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: evidence of it. Right, is the is the movie right? 484 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: I guess it's. 485 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Rocky Rocky three? Yeah, right? 486 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: And it ends right where Apollo Creed Pearl Weathers and 487 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: and Sylvester Stallone Rocky Balboa go into the boxing match 488 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: after the championship fight to settle it right, and you 489 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: never know until later Rocky who won the fight? 490 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: Right? 491 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: But men right as a general proposition, And I don't 492 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: I don't think this is a positive right. I think 493 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: it's a character flaw Right would be unsatisfied with that. 494 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: Would we look at an era where second generation of 495 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: women in the workplace at your age CEOs, the generation 496 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: of trailblazers that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Hillary Clinton was part 497 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: of the women who first entered the workplace. 498 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: You have been around. 499 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 2: Men for a long time, men in business, men executives. 500 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: You are there peer now in every way running a 501 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: big company. What what is the difference without over generalizing, 502 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: between male and female leadership? And and what what do 503 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: businesses miss when they have an absence a female leadership 504 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: in the in the company, not as a quota but 505 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: as a but as an ingrained and fundamental aspect of 506 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: the company's culture value set. 507 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: Well, how long do you have? There is a wonderful book. 508 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: I just want to give a plug to Julia Burston 509 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 3: from a CNBC wrote a book When Women Lead. She 510 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 3: included a tiny paragraph on calling pair, which is great, 511 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: but just extraor ordinary women and the things that they 512 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 3: do that are unique to women. And by the way, 513 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: you obviously come from government. 514 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 9: You could look at you could look at governments that 515 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 9: were run by women during the pandemic country states and 516 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 9: how they performed versus other places. 517 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 3: And there's some commonalities there. And you know, women are 518 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 3: very comfortable and this goes back to a little bit 519 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: about what we're talking about before. Women are very comfortable 520 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 3: listening to others, taking in that advice. They have nothing 521 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 3: to prove, so they just want to do the best job. 522 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: And usually it's a very sort of collaborative way of 523 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, managing a business, and and and and and 524 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 3: sort of and and listening to the experts around the table, 525 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: making a decision, making a tough decision, making a fair decision, 526 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 3: but taking in all of those inputs, which I think 527 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 3: is is really really important. I think, I think you 528 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 3: know another thing that that that women do very well, 529 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 3: that they they they really do have a sense of empathy. 530 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: Now you could look at empathy as being a soft, 531 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 3: a soft element of business, but in actuality it is 532 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: a key element because if you're not empathetic with the 533 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 3: ultimate user of your product, your service, your business, then 534 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 3: you don't have a business. If you can't put your 535 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: mind into the into the body of who you're customer, 536 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 3: is what are you doing? So, I think, and most importantly, 537 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: most importantly, women run businesses perform better. That's not that's 538 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 3: not me saying it, that's fact. You could lots of 539 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 3: Harvard Business Review, you name it. The ROI on female 540 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 3: run businesses is notably higher than on male run businesses 541 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 3: for many reasons, not the least of which are the 542 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 3: several I mentioned, And yet and yet female entrepreneurs I 543 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 3: can't even say three percent anymore, get three percent of 544 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: venture capital dollars. It's now the pandemic. It's now just 545 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 3: over too. So that's what I can't square. The businesses 546 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: that we run have a better ROI, yet no one 547 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 3: wants to give us money. 548 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 2: That's a shocking statistic. Three three percent the venture capital 549 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: of the venture capital I wonder, I wonder when you 550 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: cut that, what the what the percentage is for minority 551 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 2: with even less most people infinite infinite infinitation. 552 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 3: Even less, it is criminal. 553 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 8: It look it's it's the same way. 554 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not. Is it so surprising, Yes, it 555 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 3: is so surprising because you would think, oh, but the 556 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 3: business is performed better, and I'm looking at the data, 557 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 3: therefore I should give them money, right, But it's the 558 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 3: same way that you see why why does you know, 559 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 3: whires we still not seeing enough female leadership at the 560 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 3: top of companies because we prom people promote people that 561 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 3: you know, you hire people you know, you promote people 562 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 3: you know you you you you give people a platform 563 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 3: that have similar backgrounds to you, and it's like just 564 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 3: to use calipower as an example, very very hard for 565 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 3: people to wrap their head around. I don't understand why 566 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 3: why would anyone want to pizza crust made from cauliflower? 567 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 2: It's delicious by the way, too, I can't and I'm 568 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 2: not a calieflower guy, right, like the vegetable, but I 569 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 2: have them, and you can always like it. It's it's great, 570 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: right because there's always something healthy that you can pop in. 571 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, exactly, But it's like in less you know, 572 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 3: let's face it, most of those five hundred and sixty 573 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 3: nine thousand recipes that people were making online were being 574 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 3: made by women, right was the unforeseen target right there. 575 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 3: I mean it was an idea hiding and plaining sight really. 576 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 3: But but yet it was so hard that very first time, 577 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 3: So hard to raise money for callipower. 578 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 10: So hard to raise money for all of these female 579 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 10: entrepreneurs out there who have amazing businesses and amazing ideas 580 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 10: and fantastic data and can't get the money. 581 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 3: So I can't square that circle. I can give you 582 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,919 Speaker 3: lots of reasons why. 583 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 8: But you know, the more we talk about it, the 584 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 8: more the better off we're going to be. 585 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 3: And by the way, if callipower does anything but helps 586 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 3: remind people, Hey, maybe a female founded business is a 587 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 3: good bet. I'm all for it. If it only does that, 588 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 3: that is a huge success as far as I'm. 589 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: Concerned, Gail, I want to ask you about the movie 590 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 2: poster behind you, A Journey with Purpose. Yeah, that is 591 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 2: your father who we talked about, and that's his grandson, 592 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 2: your son. 593 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Joshua. My son was nine years old when 594 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: we took him to Ashwitz with my dad, and that 595 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 3: was the same age that my dad was when he 596 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 3: went in. 597 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: Talk about. 598 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 2: From a mother's eyes and a daughter's eyes what that 599 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 2: trip was like, what did your son learn about his 600 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 2: grandfather there? What did you learn about life there? 601 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, it's so funny, Steve, because I had 602 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 3: a lot of people say to me, you're going to 603 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 3: take your nine year old son down with like like 604 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, like I was supposed to take him on 605 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 3: a Disney cruise instead, And I said, yeah, I am 606 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 3: going to take him. It was so important for me 607 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 3: for my son to understand the responsibility that he has 608 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 3: as a result of being my father's grandson. It's that 609 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 3: passing of the torch. I wanted to put a fine 610 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 3: moment on it. I wanted my dad to say, to exhale, 611 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 3: to say, I don't have to do this anymore, because 612 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 3: I have this young grandson who's going to you know, 613 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 3: fight for in just you know, fight for the people 614 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 3: who don't have a voice, to fight ignorance and bigotry 615 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 3: and hatred and anti semitism and so much of what 616 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 3: we're seeing today. I mean, I think about my dad 617 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 3: when I see the news every day because there's. 618 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 8: Just more of it, and I think, you know, he 619 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 8: thought there was going to be less, and so. 620 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 3: I wanted my son to understand he has a responsibility life, 621 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 3: that it is up to him and me and my 622 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 3: and my youngest as well, to leave the world a 623 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 3: little bit better than we found it, and to help 624 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 3: fight for people who don't have a voice and causes 625 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 3: that don't that that need that need our attention. And 626 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's funny, my dad used to say. My 627 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 3: dad used to say, you know, Gail, you know, being 628 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 3: in the camps, obviously, the cold was awful, The pulling 629 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 3: the gold teeth was excruciating, Waking up next to you know, 630 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,919 Speaker 3: cold bodies in the morning was horrifying. But the worst thing, 631 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 3: the worst thing, he said, was the hunger, and I 632 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 3: thought that never left me. 633 00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 11: I thought, if I can through this business that he 634 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 11: helped me build, if I can, you know, help people, 635 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 11: not you know, help feed people, help. 636 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 3: We give a percentage of our of our sales to 637 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 3: help build teaching gardens and underserve schools across the country 638 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 3: so that you know, young kids really understand the the 639 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 3: power that comes from eating healthy foods and how that 640 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 3: can feed their brains and and and and you know, 641 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 3: continue them to do great things in life. That to 642 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 3: me was like that that was my connection. I don't 643 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 3: know what it's going to be for my son, but 644 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 3: I can tell you this, he knows it better be something. 645 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: When I. 646 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 2: Listen to you talk there, it's not that I think 647 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 2: that you mean that. I know that you mean every 648 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 2: every word of that because I know you. 649 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: As an intellectual exercise. I'm gonna push back. 650 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 2: On something, okay, and I'd like you to I'd like 651 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: you to respond to it, okay, please, Because we live 652 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 2: in an era where as a practical matter, trust has 653 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 2: collapsed in very nearly every institution you can. 654 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: You can think of. 655 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, for example, is on his knees in China 656 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 2: pledging fealty to the Chinese Communist Party as we as 657 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 2: we speak literally yesterday. The lessons of Trump, to some degree, 658 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 2: take as much as you can get empathies for losers, 659 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 2: get yours, get in line, don't stand up, shut up, 660 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 2: don't rise up, don't do anything right other than take 661 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: responsibility obligations. These are suckers, creeds cake because there's a 662 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 2: lot of people who share that philosophy. 663 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a lot of people who share that philosophy, 664 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,240 Speaker 3: but those people are loud, which makes the numbers seem 665 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 3: bigger than they are. Most people want to live their 666 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 3: lives in peace and and not fight every day, and 667 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 3: not take every day and give. I have seen so 668 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 3: much much of this. I know you've seen so much 669 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 3: of this. Even in the pandemic, we saw so many 670 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 3: people giving to people who were dying. So, yes, those 671 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 3: people exist, and there's nothing that I can do about that. 672 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 3: There's nothing that my sons can do about that. But 673 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 3: we can be responsible for putting more good out into 674 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 3: the world, to leave it better than we found it, 675 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 3: to help people, which is always more rewarding for the 676 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 3: people who give than the people who get. And you know, 677 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 3: my parents taught me that. Think about the family in 678 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 3: England who just took in a strange kid my mother 679 00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 3: and raised her. Think about all the people who who 680 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 3: who helped my dad when he came to this country. 681 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 3: He didn't have a penny. There was a bakery in 682 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 3: New York Becker means baker by the way in German. 683 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 3: There was a bakery in New York where my dad 684 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,360 Speaker 3: used to sweep the floor in the morning and sleep 685 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 3: on the floor at night. So, yes, there are those 686 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 3: people are always going to exist, but so but so 687 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 3: do But but so does everybody else. And I haven't 688 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,439 Speaker 3: lost hope. 689 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: Was your father an optimist? 690 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 3: Yes he was. That was the miraculous thing he I 691 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 3: think you when you when you've known tragedy in your life, 692 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 3: and we all and some of us do, you have 693 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 3: two avenues. You can it can bring you down, and 694 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 3: you can live your life just fired in that tragedy. 695 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 3: Or you can use it as fuel. My father was 696 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 3: the most optimistic man I have ever met. He woke 697 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 3: up God blessing America. He went to work and he 698 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 3: just loved talking to people. He didn't talk to the 699 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 3: people who were sitting at the table next to him 700 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 3: in the restaurant. He went in the kitchen and he 701 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 3: talked to the cooks and the chefs and the bus 702 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 3: boys and the people who work there, and because they 703 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 3: were more like him. And he really was an optimist, Eve. 704 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 3: And it's such an interesting question because I don't think 705 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 3: I've ever thought of him in that way, But boy, 706 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 3: when you said it, it's just it was so obvious. Yeah, 707 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 3: And he had every reason not to be because he 708 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 3: saw the worst in humanity. He lived the worst in humanity, 709 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 3: but he believed the most in humanity. And you know, 710 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 3: I think that's probably what he left me with. And 711 00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful. 712 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: What does it mean to be an American to you? 713 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 2: Uh? 714 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 3: You know, I will say it does mean responsibility. I 715 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 3: do feel responsibility to being an American. I do feel 716 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 3: I feel very fortunate. I feel like there's sort of 717 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 3: it's our responsibility to help others and help countries that 718 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 3: are trying to achieve their freedom, that are trying to 719 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 3: live democratic ideals. I do feel that is our responsibility. 720 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 3: I saw what happened. I lived what happened through the 721 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 3: voices of my parents when they didn't you know, America 722 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,839 Speaker 3: was not was not known to be found during that time, 723 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 3: it was England who saved my mother, not America. 724 00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 7: And so. 725 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 3: I think when I think of being American, I think 726 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,720 Speaker 3: of just like a really fortunate responsibility. 727 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 2: What's next for the company? Where where is this company going? 728 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,240 Speaker 2: That is your vision ahead? 729 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 3: Well? We uh so. We have a lot of new 730 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 3: innovation coming out this year, a lot, probably our heaviest 731 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 3: innovation year, which I'm very excited about. You're going to 732 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 3: get a big box of it stave at your home. 733 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm very casual, and you know, we have we have 734 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: a big vision. 735 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 3: Right today we make you know, the number one better 736 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 3: for you frozen Pizza in America. We have a lot 737 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 3: of other products as well in different categories that are 738 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 3: also doing great, and it is our goal to be 739 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,800 Speaker 3: the number one better for you for frozen food company 740 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 3: in America, and we're well on our way. 741 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 1: Are you having fun. 742 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 3: Most days? I'm having fun. It's not quite as fun 743 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 3: as it used to be. It's not quite as fun 744 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,399 Speaker 3: as it used to be. It used to be so fun. 745 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,319 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you know, I think, but that's normal, right, 746 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,760 Speaker 3: Like the bigger company gets, the less fun it gets, 747 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 3: the more the higher up you get in a company, 748 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 3: You started off the conversation by talking about promotion. 749 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 8: The more you get. 750 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 3: Promoted, the less of the stuff that brought you into 751 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 3: the company is the stuff you love to do. The 752 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 3: less of it you liked that you now get to do. Right, 753 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,919 Speaker 3: That's just the way of life. So is it fun? Sure? 754 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 3: Is it a privilege every single day? 755 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: Let's leave it there. CEO