Speaker 1: Hey, folks, this is Lyle here. So on today's episode,
Speaker 1: I have a guest. It is my friend, Attorney Tom,
Speaker 1: who has been on this show multiple times before. He's
Speaker 1: a good pal of mine. He is a catastrophic personal
Speaker 1: injury attorney, a real attorney, not like how I'm a
Speaker 1: therapist kind of attorney. He's an actual, real lawyer man
Speaker 1: and also a YouTuber and a TikToker that I met
Speaker 1: on TikTok about I want to say a year ago
Speaker 1: when I really first started getting knee deep into being
Speaker 1: a gecko. For the first half of this podcast, it's
Speaker 1: me an attorney Tom, taking calls from the people to
Speaker 1: hear about times that they've gotten in trouble. And it
Speaker 1: was a good episode. And I normally hate doing these long,
Speaker 1: rambley intros. I like to just get into the calls,
Speaker 1: but I figure that since I have a guest on
Speaker 1: this one, it would be nice of me to introduce them. So, okay,
Speaker 1: enough of me, enough of this intro. Let's just get
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Goes on the line taking phone calls every night, ever,
Speaker 2: goes to an anxiety.
Speaker 1: He's teaching you.
Speaker 3: A line tome.
Speaker 1: But you know, before we begin, before we start taking
Speaker 1: phone calls. Is so anything that you want the people
Speaker 1: to know anything you want to tell the folks of
Speaker 1: gak Nation before we begin anything at all.
Speaker 4: Yes, very standard lawyer get goo protocol. I'm not your
Speaker 4: lawyer and you are calling. Please do not tell us
Speaker 4: anything that you should consult with a lawyer operating in
Speaker 4: their professional capacity. You are calling to talk to two
Speaker 4: geckos who are on the air with presumably thousands of
Speaker 4: people watching, so be mindful.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is for entertainment purposes only. Don't say anything
Speaker 1: that could get you in a lot of trouble exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's begin. Hello Jacob, Yes, Hello, how are you? You're
Speaker 1: on the phone with Lyle and Terry Tom.
Speaker 5: Oh holy shit, I'm freaking out a little bit right now.
Speaker 6: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hi, how you doing? Jacob from Jacob has Kansas.
Speaker 5: Kansas is cold, flat and boring. I'm more of a
Speaker 5: Colorado person myself, but I live in Kansas.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Jacob, we heard that you used to have a
Speaker 1: job dressing up as the Grinch and you're with fellow
Speaker 1: fellow green men. It's a safe place and we'd love
Speaker 1: to hear your story.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so every year, So I should preface I
Speaker 5: do cosplay. So one of my cosplays that I decided
Speaker 5: to do many years ago when I was in high
Speaker 5: school was I get this prosthetic and I would paint
Speaker 5: myself screen and just do impressions of the Grinch. Someone
Speaker 5: founded on social media from the city of Manhattan. Oh shoot,
Speaker 5: I just talked myself anyways, ignore.
Speaker 1: That Manhattan, Kansas me and they were like.
Speaker 5: Yes, Manhattan, Kansas, not New York, but Manhattan, Kansas.
Speaker 4: Continue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, So I get hired every year to do
Speaker 5: the Grinch for the city because I found me online
Speaker 5: and they were like, wow, you do a really good,
Speaker 5: like impersonation of him. Would you like to come to
Speaker 5: our Christmas festival that we do every year after Thanksgiving?
Speaker 5: And so I've been doing this for the past five
Speaker 5: years and then the year last year. Actually I was
Speaker 5: not invited back this year, but due to what happens,
Speaker 5: but I got caught smoking a joint in my car
Speaker 5: by a mom and daughter who were trying to find
Speaker 5: me for a photo. The cops were called and they
Speaker 5: come to find me in just like a smoked filled car,
Speaker 5: high as fuck, and I was like, now, this was
Speaker 5: after the Christmas festival, This was after.
Speaker 4: Who's the real Grinch in this situation. I think it's
Speaker 4: the Karen who called the cops on you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, why did she?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why did she call the cops on you? Man? Like
Speaker 1: she just found you in the car? Like were you
Speaker 1: was it? That's that's such a classic.
Speaker 4: Did you get arrested in full Grinch gear?
Speaker 5: So they brought me down to the station, but they
Speaker 5: did not arrest me. They gave me a warning. But
Speaker 5: the funny thing was the officers were thinking it was
Speaker 5: the funniest ship. They were laughing. I was high as fuck.
Speaker 5: I was tripping ball.
Speaker 4: I could see how they I could see how the
Speaker 4: officers thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: Do you think that being high what makes you a
Speaker 1: better Grinch? Do you feel like as you're tripping, you
Speaker 1: can like get more in touch with his with the
Speaker 1: zaniness of his character, or do you feel like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, see, I think I'm the.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I think the police department missed
Speaker 4: a real opportunity for social media. They could have said, like, hey,
Speaker 4: we arrested the Grinch.
Speaker 1: Right right right, because they caught you steal in Christmas
Speaker 1: presents or something.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that arrested the Grinch in parentheses for smoking, Mirjuana.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right.
Speaker 5: You know I could have totally just gone with that,
Speaker 5: been like, hey, you know what, this would be really
Speaker 5: good for social media. But like I think at the moment,
Speaker 5: I was too panicked. I've had a clean record for
Speaker 5: like so long. I was like, I was terrified of
Speaker 5: what was gonna happen to me. I was like, oh no,
Speaker 5: they can have sent me to prison. And I'm just like,
Speaker 5: now I'm a very nervous white man and I'm just
Speaker 5: I'm freaked out.
Speaker 7: I I.
Speaker 5: I'm just I for no reason.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna say of all the like stories
Speaker 1: we've heard tonight where I'm like where people will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm I'm you know, I know it was
Speaker 1: bad that it happened, but it was worth the story.
Speaker 1: I think this is the one I think that was
Speaker 1: worth the story, that that was very worth the story.
Speaker 4: I think those cops will tell that story forever.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure it'll be interesting because I got invited
Speaker 5: to a Christmas party to do the Grinch, not by
Speaker 5: the City of Manhat, but there's a lot of uh
Speaker 5: city workers there, so they're gonna it'll be very interesting.
Speaker 5: To see how that goes down.
Speaker 4: Tell me about tell me about some of your other cosplays.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, So are you guys familiar with like
Speaker 5: Doctor Who or like anything like that?
Speaker 1: And wait where Tom and I were just taught? Was
Speaker 1: just Tom? Actually?
Speaker 4: Last night, Who's Who's your Favorite Doctor?
Speaker 1: Showed me a clip of Doctor Who. I've never seen it,
Speaker 1: but Tom as a.
Speaker 8: Fan, gotcha.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I used to dress up as the Eleventh Doctor
Speaker 5: and I would do like events in Kansas City, and
Speaker 5: there was like the Renaissance Festival, the Time Travelers Ball.
Speaker 5: So I'd get hired out to all these things, like
Speaker 5: I was getting paid to do what I loved.
Speaker 4: So it was is the is the Eleventh Doctor the
Speaker 4: one who always wears the bow tie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: He's like those ties are cool? And where's a fed
Speaker 5: and you know it's Tuanamo and all that fun stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's been about six years since I've done it.
Speaker 4: Though, right on, So Doctor Who and who else?
Speaker 5: So I've done Newt's Commander from Fantastic Beasts. I'm actually
Speaker 5: currently three D printing a Mandalorian costume to visit children's hospitals.
Speaker 10: That's nice, Yeah, but I think one of the most
Speaker 10: popular one is obviously the Grinch. I actually will film
Speaker 10: videos as the Grinch for TikTok, And there's a video
Speaker 10: out there of me pole dancing as the Grinch to
Speaker 10: stansa baby. And that's it has to be, by by
Speaker 10: far my favorite cosplay.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Normally I'm like, I'm like, you know whatever about self
Speaker 1: promo on here, but I'm I'm happy to have you
Speaker 1: drop your TikTok handle right now if you wish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just Jack Bucks jac b u.
Speaker 1: X Jack Bucks j C Bux. I'm gonna check out
Speaker 1: this Grench cosplay.
Speaker 5: Oh god, well, don't hate it. It's it's it's a very.
Speaker 1: No no no, you know, the intentionally cringey cosplay tiktoks.
Speaker 1: I like them. There's something hypnotizing about Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you's a safe space for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Can I tell you, guys, one last time I
Speaker 5: was in trouble?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: What is it? How long will it take you to
Speaker 1: tell it?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 5: Not longer than two minutes?
Speaker 1: What do you think, Tom?
Speaker 4: Can you do it in fifteen seconds?
Speaker 1: Can you do it in fifteen seconds?
Speaker 5: Fifteen seconds? Okay? So twenty first birthday, I get taken
Speaker 5: out by two friends they abandoned me. I do thirty
Speaker 5: two shots wake up in the hospital with the felone.
Speaker 1: That was under ten seconds.
Speaker 4: That was great? First of all, what is yeah? Okay?
Speaker 4: Well that's good because I mean, was it like, why
Speaker 4: were you? What were you charged with me? Obviously you
Speaker 4: were clearly too intoxicated. I'm glad you're alive. Thirty six
Speaker 4: shots is very dangerous by a magnitude of a million.
Speaker 4: Was it just like public intoxication or was the deal
Speaker 4: you don't even.
Speaker 5: Remember public intoxication? And I jumped on a police car.
Speaker 1: Who were you dressed as?
Speaker 11: Then?
Speaker 5: I was dressed as myself, just a very skinny twenty
Speaker 5: one year old kid in Kansas.
Speaker 1: Well, Jacob man, look, we hope you stay out of trouble,
Speaker 1: and uh we wish you good luck in your cosplaying adventures.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Thank you you guys. Have a great
Speaker 5: rest of your night. I've been listening to a podcast
Speaker 5: for forever for now. You guys are amazing lyle I
Speaker 5: fucking love you and Tom keep doing that law shit.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jacob, have a goodness to night.
Speaker 9: Check.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the kind words. Raven, Yes, hello, how
Speaker 1: are you Raven?
Speaker 12: I'm doing well. I would ask how you are, But
Speaker 12: you're a get go on on the computer.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 12: I just feel like I feel like ninety percent of
Speaker 12: the time I've heard you answer that question, you answer
Speaker 12: with I'm a get go on the computer. We just
Speaker 12: I just know the bit.
Speaker 1: Now you can ask how Tom is feeling?
Speaker 12: Yeah, how are you feeling?
Speaker 4: Attorney Tom, Well, I'm a get go on the computer.
Speaker 12: That's that's a good joke. I like that.
Speaker 13: It wasn't a joke, hie.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean sure, there's nothing inherently funny about about that,
Speaker 1: because it's just the truth.
Speaker 4: You are a guy, I'm exuding on the computer.
Speaker 1: How can Yeah?
Speaker 12: I think that's the whole Oh okay, Yeah, So have
Speaker 12: I ever been in trouble? I'm a retired drug dealer
Speaker 12: and I've done a good job of avoiding trouble. But
Speaker 12: I've been in lots of situations that I could have
Speaker 12: been in trouble, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 12: And my first piece of advice for anyone that finds
Speaker 12: themselves in trouble or like doing trouble would be break
Speaker 12: one lot of time. If you're going to break the law, like,
Speaker 12: don't break the law. But if you're going to break
Speaker 12: one lot of time, because that has served me very.
Speaker 4: Well, what can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 12: Yeah, So, like if you're going to be driving around
Speaker 12: with say illegal substances near car, make sure that your
Speaker 12: license and registration is valid and you drive the speed limit,
Speaker 12: because like that's how like traffic stops aren't like, like
Speaker 12: the purpose of traffic stops isn't really to like keep
Speaker 12: the streets safe, like to some extent it is, but
Speaker 12: like a lot of it is to catch people to
Speaker 12: have like warrants or you know, that are doing illegal things.
Speaker 12: So if you don't have to give people a reason
Speaker 12: to like suspect you of anything, then you know, you're
Speaker 12: you're probably okay. Like no one else knows that you
Speaker 12: have something illegal in your car?
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 4: I know, I mean you're your goal of getting into
Speaker 4: the whole probable cause, reasonable suspicion Fourth Amendment kind of deal,
Speaker 4: you know, right?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yeah. Also, like don't ever admit to anything.
Speaker 13: Like if you if you like.
Speaker 12: Get caught, like just lawyer up and don't say anything,
Speaker 12: and you're you might not be fine, but like your
Speaker 12: chances are a lot.
Speaker 4: Better everybody listening. He's he's he's exactly right. This is true.
Speaker 4: And they're gonna want They're gonna want an apology. They're
Speaker 4: gonna say, aren't You're gonna feel so much better if
Speaker 4: you apologize, Just admit now, we'll go easy on you.
Speaker 4: That's a lie. That's all a lie.
Speaker 12: It's always lost.
Speaker 4: It's always the cops talking. You don't have the power
Speaker 4: to cut you a deal. It's the das who have
Speaker 4: the power to cut you a deal. So like, if
Speaker 4: a cop comes up to you and says, hey, admit now,
Speaker 4: we'll go easy on you, well, they're not the ones
Speaker 4: in charge of who to go easy on. So the
Speaker 4: only correct response to any sort of police questioning is
Speaker 4: I want my lawyer, I invoke the Fifth Amendment. Fifth Amendment. Yeah,
Speaker 4: did you ever?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 4: I What was the closest you ever came to getting caught? Uh?
Speaker 12: Okay, So the closest I ever came to getting caught
Speaker 12: for anything very serious. I was attempting to traffic a
Speaker 12: large amount of cannabis across a state border and we
Speaker 12: actually missed our pickup, but we had like a lot
Speaker 12: of there was a lot of indications that that's exactly
Speaker 12: what we were doing, Like we had very large sums
Speaker 12: of cash, Like we got ten thousand dollars sies by
Speaker 12: the police. A drug dog hit on it supposedly even
Speaker 12: though I mean it never come contacted. Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 12: get the money back, so we fought that we got
Speaker 12: the money back, and then we had like a personal
Speaker 12: amount of cannabis with us, but they actually didn't even
Speaker 12: like do anything about that because there was just a
Speaker 12: personal amount and it was like anymal.
Speaker 4: So you got caught pre pickup, whereas had you exchanged
Speaker 4: allegedly exchanged.
Speaker 1: The the so you got caught pre pre pickup.
Speaker 4: So had you been caught after you allegedly would have
Speaker 4: exchanged that money for an alleged amount of drugs, you
Speaker 4: had been caught with a large amount of drugs and
Speaker 4: it would have been bad. But instead they just yeah,
Speaker 4: that story is actually.
Speaker 12: Yes, and the story is actually a little more interesting
Speaker 12: because we tried to pick up it was someone we
Speaker 12: had never met. We drove hundreds of miles. The deal
Speaker 12: was too good to be true, and it turned out
Speaker 12: to be a cartel and they were not trying to
Speaker 12: sell us cannabis, and we almost got killed and we
Speaker 12: got away It was my best friend and I in college.
Speaker 12: They were going to force us to buy something that
Speaker 12: a harder substance that we were not interested in buying.
Speaker 12: We met this like the contact for them at a
Speaker 12: party at college party, and we did not know this guy.
Speaker 12: He just like hooked us up with these people. The
Speaker 12: deal is too good to be true. We drove au
Speaker 12: across multiple states to get there, and then it was
Speaker 12: not a good deal, so we escaped that and then
Speaker 12: ended up dealing with the police later.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 11: I think, yeah, would have been posted people who should.
Speaker 9: Have been posted up.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad that it worked out for you. Allegedly,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe this is all just one big we
Speaker 4: don't know. Yeah, allegedly, glad that worked out. I think
Speaker 4: it's very important for anybody in the chat who might
Speaker 4: be listening. When you go across state lines, you are
Speaker 4: committing potentially the same offense multiple times in multiple different states.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so you know if you're not only you're
Speaker 4: not only trafficking in one one state, you're potentially trafficking
Speaker 4: and however many states you're in. And on top of that,
Speaker 4: because you cross state lines, it could go into federal
Speaker 4: jurisdiction because you know, you're you know, you're commercing between
Speaker 4: the states, and getting prosecuted for criminal drug trafficking by
Speaker 4: the federal government is not something you want to do.
Speaker 4: You always want to try to keep it in state
Speaker 4: court if possible. I mean, ideally you don't want to
Speaker 4: get but I'm just saying, if you have to choose
Speaker 4: to be prosecuted by somebody, you much rather be prosecuted
Speaker 4: by the state governments than the federal government. So you
Speaker 4: were you're you're playing on thin ice, allegedly according to
Speaker 4: your store.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So the guy, the guy that I normally got
Speaker 12: picked up for this, this is actually the reason I
Speaker 12: left the specific college. The guy that I normally picked
Speaker 12: up actually did get busted by the DEA. Because this
Speaker 12: is all like long before cannabis was like because I'm
Speaker 12: twenty nine, so it was it was before cannabis was
Speaker 12: like starting to become legal. I think the California had
Speaker 12: medical and that was like that was about it. And
Speaker 12: so I left because he got busted by the DEA
Speaker 12: and they had pictures of everyone, but they only took
Speaker 12: down like the people on top, so that was convenient
Speaker 12: for me. But then like for the next ten years,
Speaker 12: every time I saw like police lights or there was
Speaker 12: one time I woke up and there was federal marshals
Speaker 12: on my lawn because the guy that lived in the
Speaker 12: apart next door, I guess, was running from the police.
Speaker 12: So yeah, it just like like, don't get in trouble
Speaker 12: because like even if you stay out of trouble, you're
Speaker 12: still like always watching your back, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, so they keep Yeah that that goes to
Speaker 4: what we were we were talking about earlier risk versus reward. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it seems like it's a huge risk that
Speaker 4: is always lingering over you for for what I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, a couple thousand bucks, you know.
Speaker 12: Allegedly, yeah, allegedly. Yeah. Yeah, So I have like a
Speaker 12: regular job.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, that's exactly I was gonna say, because the
Speaker 1: call screener mentioned that you have a a regular job.
Speaker 1: Talked to us about your regular jobs real quick.
Speaker 12: Uh So, I'm an HVAC technician, which also, by the way,
Speaker 12: shout out to you, Gek, because in one of your
Speaker 12: early streams you gave HVAC technicians like AC guys very
Speaker 12: high praise.
Speaker 1: I I did, I did, I remember exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy called in saying he was going
Speaker 1: to go to trade school. It's been h VAC diem mission.
Speaker 1: Like that's a great idea because you come out of
Speaker 1: there knowing how to do something.
Speaker 12: Mm hmmm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And I appreciated that because, uh, you know, when you
Speaker 12: watch let's say, adult entertainment, it's always the plumber and
Speaker 12: never the HVAC guy. And no one really cares about
Speaker 12: the HVAC guy. But but uh, you know, we we
Speaker 12: have a hard job and uh and it's always hot
Speaker 12: because everywhere you go there's no ac and uh, but
Speaker 12: it's good work. It's honest work, you know.
Speaker 3: So if you.
Speaker 1: Ever, if you ever start a campaign for more representation
Speaker 1: of HVAC guys in porn, attorney Tom and I have
Speaker 1: you have our support.
Speaker 12: I you know, I I sincerely appreciate that. I have
Speaker 12: had one instance where an older lady, uh what, we
Speaker 12: went to go collect after fixing her air conditioner, and
Speaker 12: she was completely naked in her bed and so it
Speaker 12: was very much like a porn scene type situation, and
Speaker 12: she was probably trying to get a discount of our bill,
Speaker 12: and we were not interested in that because we're very
Speaker 12: hot and sweaty and just wanted to go home to
Speaker 12: our families. But yeah, you know, so it's happened once
Speaker 12: in real life a potential situation. So I feel like
Speaker 12: maybe we need some representation on the hub. You know
Speaker 12: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Oh, we know what you're saying. We know what you're saying. Ravan,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for colling and sharing with us,
Speaker 1: and you know, I am I was sure the best
Speaker 1: of luck moving forward.
Speaker 12: Thank you Gek, and thank you Attorning Tom. It was
Speaker 12: great talking to you all.
Speaker 13: All right, all right, have a good night.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about it makes sense the
Speaker 4: whole HVAC porn thing, because look, if your age track
Speaker 4: is actually out, yeah, the last thing you're going to
Speaker 4: want to do is have intercourse in like a hot house. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know. So it's not like you know, like you know,
Speaker 4: if you're if you're a porn star and you get
Speaker 4: called over because the HVAC is not working, they're gonna
Speaker 4: say like, okay, you need to fix the h back.
Speaker 4: I mean, it just logistically makes sense. I mean, you
Speaker 4: know there's plumbing issues that that's not like immediately urgent.
Speaker 1: A raven. I take back what I said Uh, Tom,
Speaker 1: you're actually making a really good point as to why
Speaker 1: you would not want to have sex in a house
Speaker 1: that does not have have proper air conditioning. Yeah, Raven,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear though that he was able to
Speaker 1: find a regular gig. It sounds like he got extremely
Speaker 1: fucking lucky.
Speaker 4: He got extremely lucky. I mean that that whole deal
Speaker 4: blowing up was probably the best thing for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He he brought some very interesting legal issues. As he
Speaker 4: put it, only break one law at a time, however,
Speaker 4: or you know, just just to go further on that,
Speaker 4: you know, it is often the case that people get
Speaker 4: charged for things that they weren't initially caught or pulled
Speaker 4: over for. You know, for instance, you have the outdated registration,
Speaker 4: you get pulled over that you know, they they grow
Speaker 4: up to the window, they notice, you know, a bottle
Speaker 4: or a bag or something, and then boom, you're arrested
Speaker 4: for something completely different than the reason you were pulled
Speaker 4: over that you know. So, so he he has some
Speaker 4: validity to to his advice. I will have to give
Speaker 4: him props for that.
Speaker 1: Steven, How are you.
Speaker 9: Good?
Speaker 11: Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm here with attorney Tom and uh,
Speaker 1: how can we help you.
Speaker 6: Well, basically today it's I don't want to look at chat.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, it's.
Speaker 1: Just no, no look at chat when chat's going on
Speaker 1: between you and me and attorney time exactly.
Speaker 6: So I'm a part of like the LGBT community, word
Speaker 6: and my like our movie theaters. It's called Cineplex. We
Speaker 6: have a thing where it's like two Ney Tuesdays, so
Speaker 6: they show old reruns of movies, like it's usually Star
Speaker 6: Wars and stuff. But they were airing The Notebook and
Speaker 6: me and my boyfriend we love Ryan Gosling, so like
Speaker 6: we don't really know the whole plot of the movie,
Speaker 6: but it just so embarrassing. We just got really like
Speaker 6: I got really turned on and asked him to start
Speaker 6: jerking me off, and he did, and apparently there were
Speaker 6: complaints and the staff came in and kicked us out.
Speaker 1: And you added, to start jerking you off in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Notebook, And was it because we were, like, you.
Speaker 6: Know, we were holding hands and stuff, and he had
Speaker 6: his like he put.
Speaker 11: His hand on my thigh.
Speaker 6: And then I just asked, you know, I just asked
Speaker 6: them to take it to the next level, and he.
Speaker 1: Did, and and what was it was just was it
Speaker 1: was it Ryan Gosling that made you like so.
Speaker 6: Honestly, once you started touching the movie just we just
Speaker 6: stopped watching. But yes, initially was Ryan Gosslin?
Speaker 1: Interesting? And now is this?
Speaker 4: Let me?
Speaker 1: Is this the thing? Is the thing for you of
Speaker 1: like sexual excitement? Like like the fact that it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a sort of quasi in public thing. Does
Speaker 1: that add to the the to the experience for you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're so bad. Yeah, we we like public humiliations,
Speaker 6: Like we do this thing at can't. We have this
Speaker 6: theme part called Ken's Wonderland and we go in there
Speaker 6: and we wear diapers and like when we when we
Speaker 6: wait in line, we we drink a bunch of fluids
Speaker 6: and we just pissed ourselves and so bad.
Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting? Can I talk to your boyfriend? Is he
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 13: For sure?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: You already knows.
Speaker 11: How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 1: How are you doing, Isaac?
Speaker 3: I'm good myself?
Speaker 1: So Isaac, Isaac? So how did you? How did you?
Speaker 1: What was your initial reaction when your boyfriend asked you
Speaker 1: to jerk him off in the middle of the notebook?
Speaker 4: Did you did you?
Speaker 1: Were you into it?
Speaker 4: Immediately?
Speaker 1: Or was he or or did you have some apprehensions
Speaker 1: about it beforehand?
Speaker 14: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 12: My boyfriend asked me to do something.
Speaker 3: I do it for him. He's my lover.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 15: Oh, thank you danced.
Speaker 1: Drenny Tom Tom What do you have to say about this?
Speaker 4: After y'all were you were just after after y'all were caught,
Speaker 4: y'all were just asked to leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, nothing more than that.
Speaker 15: Well, there was a little bit of struggling. You know,
Speaker 15: you're trying to fight it off because you know it's
Speaker 15: kind of offered. Some people just coming up to us
Speaker 15: and you know, ha, hands on my clover's penis it
Speaker 15: through hard. Bryan Goslin's on the streen and I just
Speaker 15: we can't help ourselves and sexually, Ryan Goslin, Oh, our
Speaker 15: court date.
Speaker 4: So it was so you did. So there was.
Speaker 11: A little bit yeah, a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, okay, So you didn't just get kicked out. They
Speaker 1: pressed charge it.
Speaker 4: You got a ticket.
Speaker 3: You get a ticket.
Speaker 12: Yet there wasn't no family at the bottom.
Speaker 3: They were at the bottom though you made sure everyone
Speaker 3: was not near.
Speaker 16: So we.
Speaker 3: Did get the back seats.
Speaker 1: Look, you brother could just come to you guys can
Speaker 1: be on speaker and.
Speaker 4: Just what what let's talk about what happened at court.
Speaker 6: Well, we can't afford an attorney, so we had like
Speaker 6: a free one for us public different.
Speaker 17: It's actually really it's.
Speaker 6: Actually really nice. Like we're young.
Speaker 4: We're like, right, I'm eighteen, okay, good, okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they were going to charge like at the
Speaker 6: time we were at the time, I was seventeen because
Speaker 6: my birthday was in August. Tell me, yo, Leo, but
Speaker 6: what's your scorpio?
Speaker 11: Fine? By the way, my what.
Speaker 17: You're a.
Speaker 4: Down hey lyle as funny as.
Speaker 1: I think you don't think you don't think we should
Speaker 1: check this? No, okay, Steven, Uh, good luck to you
Speaker 1: guys in the future. Uh. And you both have a
Speaker 1: one for us of the day.
Speaker 6: You're not going to help us, No, let's.
Speaker 1: Jesus, Chris.
Speaker 4: I just want it is very important that they were
Speaker 4: both that.
Speaker 1: They're both over eighteen time of this situation. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I fully agree with that sentiment.
Speaker 4: But you know, you don't want to They clearly like
Speaker 4: the embarrassment thing.
Speaker 1: You know, look, if you look, here's the thing is it?
Speaker 1: And and I think this is a popular sentiment. I
Speaker 1: think people if you can whatever whatever you derive pleasure
Speaker 1: from in life, you know, as long as you can
Speaker 1: do it without uh, you know, negatively affecting the people
Speaker 1: around you, go for it. The kind of the question
Speaker 1: is did they negatively affect the people around them? I
Speaker 1: would also argue yes, yeah, so you know, maybe I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, look, if you can find a
Speaker 1: way to uh, you know, feel shame pissing your pants
Speaker 1: at home, dude, make a lot, make a lot. Here's
Speaker 1: here's my make a live stream where you're pissing your
Speaker 1: pants in a diaper, like on the internet. And then
Speaker 1: that way, everyone who wants to be a part of
Speaker 1: that can then join, and then you're not you know,
Speaker 1: uh in you know, in convincing the people who do
Speaker 1: not wish to take part in your in your embarrassments. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's move on.
Speaker 8: Hello, who hey?
Speaker 11: Can you?
Speaker 1: How how be you?
Speaker 11: I'm doing pretty all right, you know, got good work
Speaker 11: done today, sort of a long day, so it's been
Speaker 11: nice to relax a little bit. But I, uh, I
Speaker 11: called in because I wanted to ask Attorney Tom what
Speaker 11: is the what is it? Kind of like the statute
Speaker 11: of limitations on a like maybe food tampering might be
Speaker 11: what this is considered, or uh, I wouldn't necessarily, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the short answer is it's going to depend.
Speaker 4: It's going to depend on the state, and it's going
Speaker 4: to depend on what the charge that has brought against
Speaker 4: you is, because every charge is going to potentially have
Speaker 4: a different statute of limitations. And so I mean food tampering,
Speaker 4: you're probably in the realm of like assault, because I
Speaker 4: mean that you're literally, even though you're not punching somebody,
Speaker 4: you're changing somebody's food. They digest it, it's harmful to
Speaker 4: their body. You're probably looking at some form of assault,
Speaker 4: criminal misconduct, or mischief. There's probably like a bazillion other charges.
Speaker 4: So it's just going to depend. So I don't know,
Speaker 4: without for sure, without knowing the state you're in, and
Speaker 4: without knowing what exactly the prosecutor would charge, and there's
Speaker 4: no way to know that. It's just going to depend,
Speaker 4: which is why the famous saying for all lawyers is
Speaker 4: it depends.
Speaker 11: Right right, Luckily I'm calling about someone who isn't me
Speaker 11: swim sure you will.
Speaker 4: It's a story yeah, or a story yeah, I got.
Speaker 11: So you know, back in my someone else's college days.
Speaker 11: They were in a fraternity, and they when they were
Speaker 11: in when they were a pledge. This for particular fraternities
Speaker 11: idea of haydn was just like hitting people and boarding
Speaker 11: them in between like rafts of a wall and stuff.
Speaker 11: So this person got tired of things like that real quick.
Speaker 11: And the school was like sixty to seventy in the
Speaker 11: Greek system. And I'm going to wrap up the context
Speaker 11: as quickly as i can. But the same week that
Speaker 11: this person left, the fraternity was alsoted for feeling so
Speaker 11: they kind of lost all of their friends right at
Speaker 11: the same time. Felt pretty depressed, so they decided to
Speaker 11: do a dumb thing. This fraternity's house was right up
Speaker 11: against the woods, and before big parties they would make
Speaker 11: up their jungle.
Speaker 1: Juice and these huge.
Speaker 11: Twenty to thirty gallon containers and they put the this
Speaker 11: container in the laundry room, which had a window to
Speaker 11: the outside. The night before the biggest party, it's the
Speaker 11: person they've waited overnight, got to relate and just just
Speaker 11: pissed and all of the all of the stuff that
Speaker 11: these people were going to be drinking before probably the
Speaker 11: largest party of the year, maybe two hundred, three hundred people.
Speaker 11: So just to be clear, this person's so guilty about
Speaker 11: it much later. But uh sure, but so what there's
Speaker 11: something like that look.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, well, so I'm assuming that obviously this this
Speaker 4: person was never caught and that everybody consumed this jungle juice.
Speaker 11: That that is exactly correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably, yeah, that's probably. It's probably some form
Speaker 4: of assault.
Speaker 1: Three hundred, three hundred counts.
Speaker 4: Allegedly, allegedly allegendly of course. Yeah, you know. The good
Speaker 4: news is I would argue that probably ninety nine percent
Speaker 4: of the people who drank your pee probably don't know
Speaker 4: that they drank your pea to this day. So sometimes
Speaker 4: ignorance is.
Speaker 11: Bliss exactly right, exactly right. That and if Dodgeball taught
Speaker 11: me anything, it's that you're in a sterile.
Speaker 1: So I'm so I'm wondering nobody said anything. Nobody can play.
Speaker 4: So well, I think that I think that says more
Speaker 4: about the jungle juice than it does his pit. I
Speaker 4: mean I mean that that it's just like they literally
Speaker 4: grab like whatever the hell they can find.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, look, for all we know, they pissed
Speaker 1: in it before you did.
Speaker 11: That. That is true, honestly, considering the way these guys acting.
Speaker 1: And so did and and this person were they at
Speaker 1: the party.
Speaker 11: No, they did not attend the party. They promptly drove
Speaker 11: home through the weekend.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you never heard anything.
Speaker 4: And did this person ever tell anybody about this?
Speaker 11: Not? Not, not until the night of that same party
Speaker 11: the following year.
Speaker 4: Interesting, m well, uh, you know it just just.
Speaker 11: From who remained at the school at that point up.
Speaker 4: Well, you know a lot of people, Yeah, a lot
Speaker 4: of people would never get caught if they just kept
Speaker 4: their mouth shut. You know, you see a lot of
Speaker 4: criminals who get caught just because you know, they need
Speaker 4: the urge to tell their story. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: you know this is gonna happen here. I was more
Speaker 4: referring to, like, you know, you telling somebody at the
Speaker 4: school year later, that was a pretty dangerous move.
Speaker 11: None of the none of the people that were informed
Speaker 11: of this were still there. They were they were long
Speaker 11: gone and happy to be gone.
Speaker 4: And then also, you know, you got to worry about proof.
Speaker 4: You know, really, the only thing you could get caught
Speaker 4: for at that point is you know, this person's testimony,
Speaker 4: you know, because there would be no like actual evidence,
Speaker 4: So the only thing the person. The person could shoot
Speaker 4: himself in the foot by just admitting to it. But
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, other than that that you were
Speaker 4: proof is there?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Very interesting?
Speaker 1: Well what did you? Their name was anonymous? You're you're
Speaker 1: well Annon? Well Annon, and actually before we go and
Speaker 1: you know, and in this person they see you, they've
Speaker 1: expressed guilt over this. Is there anything? Is there anything
Speaker 1: you think they've done? Uh, moving forward in their lives
Speaker 1: that you know, as an attempt to of rectification, either
Speaker 1: either rectification towards the parties involved or or maybe even
Speaker 1: more so, a general rectification of adding good into the
Speaker 1: universe to balance out to the bad they feel they have.
Speaker 11: Added, Oh, definitely, and that that started by working on
Speaker 11: their own pressed feelings, right like you. I mean, if
Speaker 11: you've got to kind of work through your own ship
Speaker 11: before you can start helping other people fix theirs. And uh, uh,
Speaker 11: you know, they've definitely done their best to be there
Speaker 11: for people and uh just continue to do stuff like therapy. Right,
Speaker 11: it's a big deal. But this was more than ten
Speaker 11: years ago, so this person has changed nearly entirely.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, Well, thank you so much for sharing, Ann,
Speaker 1: And you have a good rest of the.
Speaker 11: Night YouTube, let go YouTube three time to see you
Speaker 11: guys later.
Speaker 4: Se yep, very interesting.
Speaker 1: Let me ask if someone someone came to you and
Speaker 1: they were like you were like, Tom, I drink piss
Speaker 1: and I want to see the person would you take
Speaker 1: Would you take that case?
Speaker 4: Almost certainly not. Yeah, it's uncomfortable and I would certainly
Speaker 4: not want anybody to drink piss. But civil lawsuits, lawsuits
Speaker 4: where you sue over money, are only quantifiable on money damage.
Speaker 4: And you know what is drinking somebody mistakingly drinking piss
Speaker 4: worth you know, I would argue that, you know it's
Speaker 4: gonna be I don't know, and keep in mind, it's
Speaker 4: not just straight piss, it's piss mixed with you know,
Speaker 4: a bunch of alcohol. I would argue, you know, it's
Speaker 4: probably not enough money wise to justify a lawyer getting involved,
Speaker 4: because I mean, these cases take hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 4: hours and years to mature, and I'm not gonna go
Speaker 4: take a case for you know, insignificant amount of money.
Speaker 1: You know, you can actually you can drink your own
Speaker 1: piss three times and it's apparently it's like totally fine.
Speaker 4: He said three times.
Speaker 1: Apparently three apparently what happened to the fourth I don't
Speaker 1: know what happens at the fourth time. I've never drank
Speaker 1: my piss four times.
Speaker 4: Okay, but well, you know, honestly, like that Jungle Juice,
Speaker 4: you're not justifying this story. Yeah, like I promise they
Speaker 4: did not taste. The thing jungle Juice had college frat
Speaker 4: parties is like they buy five different types of alcohol,
Speaker 4: like the bottom of the barrel, shitty plastic, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: fifths of it and they just pour it all in together.
Speaker 1: Well I bet that if well, I mean in his story, right,
Speaker 1: he was saying like there was like barrels of it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet that. I mean, there's no way he produced
Speaker 1: like an equal amount of piss where it was like
Speaker 1: it was it was, it could have only been at
Speaker 1: minimum half piss. So I mean each cup of jungle
Speaker 1: juice probably contained like what percentage of that cup was
Speaker 1: p like like like less than probably one percent less. Cynthia?
Speaker 1: Is that you?
Speaker 18: Hello? Yes, I'm good.
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 1: We're hanging out? What's uh, what's going on with you? Cynthia?
Speaker 9: So I actually have a funny story to say. It
Speaker 9: kind of could have gotten me in trouble, but with
Speaker 9: a little bit of lying, it didn't.
Speaker 4: Now before were we continue? Before we continue? If this
Speaker 4: story gets exposed to the public, is there any chance
Speaker 4: of you eventually getting caught or has enough time passed
Speaker 4: where you're not worried about it?
Speaker 9: Enough time has definitely passed.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 9: So I actually had a boyfriend that he was like
Speaker 9: my high school sweetheart whatever, and he just made me crazy,
Speaker 9: like he just I don't I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: How to explain it.
Speaker 9: But we were broken up for a little and I
Speaker 9: found out that he was like, you know, just like
Speaker 9: kind of messing with me, like he wasn't really like
Speaker 9: taking me serious anymore. So I went with one of
Speaker 9: my friends and I spray painted his car, and I
Speaker 9: also put sand in his gas tank and then gets sand.
Speaker 1: I live in They don't just have sand lying around.
Speaker 4: She lives in Florida.
Speaker 9: But we went to the beach. We went to the
Speaker 9: beach and got sand.
Speaker 4: All right, tell me tell me about let's go into
Speaker 4: the spray paint. Was there any particular shapes or message
Speaker 4: that you wrote.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there was actually hard and smiley faces and pretty
Speaker 9: much everything that would point to.
Speaker 4: Me and and let me just be clear, you were
Speaker 4: not his girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 9: We well, okay, so we were dating for like four
Speaker 9: or five years, and we had taken like a break
Speaker 9: and we were you know, like still talking every other day,
Speaker 9: but we weren't boyfriend and girlfriend like officially at the
Speaker 9: time because we were like broken up.
Speaker 4: So and what was the straw that broke the camel's back?
Speaker 9: So we had just like you know, hung out the
Speaker 9: day before and then this girl calls me and she
Speaker 9: tells me, why.
Speaker 18: Are you hanging out with my man?
Speaker 9: And I'm like what I was like, okay, girl, this
Speaker 9: has been my man for like four years. And I
Speaker 9: was like really angry, but it was it was a
Speaker 9: scary type of angry, and I didn't I didn't know
Speaker 9: how else to handle that anger, so I just kind
Speaker 9: of lashed out.
Speaker 4: How long between getting that phone call and you spray
Speaker 4: painting and putting sand in their gas tank? Did that happen?
Speaker 4: Did Was it was that like a you got that
Speaker 4: call and you you immediately started or did you think
Speaker 4: about it for a couple of days?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 9: No, I instantly did it and like that same night.
Speaker 1: And you didn't even like, you didn't even like ask
Speaker 1: him for any clarification, because it seems like a pretty
Speaker 1: random phone call to get you didn't do any sort
Speaker 1: of investigation or get any sort of follow up information before.
Speaker 9: I had a fake Instagram, so I was following her
Speaker 9: and him on the fake Instagram and then I saw
Speaker 9: that she had posted a picture with him, and I
Speaker 9: was like, what in the world? And then I called
Speaker 9: him and he told me that he's just like some
Speaker 9: some you know, hoe that he's just banging whatever. And
Speaker 9: I'm like, how does she know that I called you? Like,
Speaker 9: there's there's no way, there's no way that that's just
Speaker 9: what she is.
Speaker 4: Okay, So, so do you remember what type of car
Speaker 4: it was?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But I shouldn't.
Speaker 9: I probably shouldn't say.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 9: It was a really nice car and it was expensive.
Speaker 4: Okay, like how expensive we we're talking about? Give me
Speaker 4: a price range.
Speaker 9: Maybe maybe I should say I don't care time enough
Speaker 9: time has passed, and what's enough time?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 9: Like eight nine years?
Speaker 4: Okay? I mean, you know, I don't know what the
Speaker 4: statute of limitations is, but but I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's you're.
Speaker 1: Here, it's probably enough time.
Speaker 4: You're again, I'm not your lawyer. This is a legal
Speaker 4: advice here will do this, but you know, if you
Speaker 4: want to, if you want to divulge to the world,
Speaker 4: what kind.
Speaker 9: Of car it was, So I won't say, Okay, I'll
Speaker 9: say it's an It was an Audie and it was
Speaker 9: a really nice car.
Speaker 3: But yeah.
Speaker 9: So I ended up going with my friend and he
Speaker 9: helped me spray paint the car. And we were like,
Speaker 9: wearing all black, no one can see us. We covered
Speaker 9: his like, uh license plate and everything, and and I
Speaker 9: spray painted his car and we ended up leaving and then.
Speaker 1: Did it feel good to spray pants his car?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not even worried about the spray paint. I'm
Speaker 4: more worried about the sandy gas tanks.
Speaker 9: It did it did get it get ruined. And I
Speaker 9: felt so bad because listen, I've done a lot of
Speaker 9: growing and I'm like, I'm a different person now, but
Speaker 9: I I'm kind of feeling a little guilty still because
Speaker 9: he thinks that I didn't do it to this day.
Speaker 1: Oh he doesn't know you did?
Speaker 4: What the okay? What does he?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 9: Okay, Okay, So the next the next morning, I wake
Speaker 9: up to a voicemail from the sheriff's office saying, oh,
Speaker 9: we just have some questions for you. You were listed
Speaker 9: as a primary suspect in your ex's like, you know,
Speaker 9: vandalization of his car, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 9: something's gonna happened to me. But I was like, I
Speaker 9: use the excuse that I don't even have a car,
Speaker 9: so how would I even get there?
Speaker 4: You made a mistake, and now you got away. For
Speaker 4: anybody in the chat, he's listening the correct answer when
Speaker 4: the police call you, Lyle, can you guess.
Speaker 1: I say, I need to talk to a lawyer.
Speaker 4: For I will not talk to you without my lawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that it's the only acceptable response, even if you're innocent,
Speaker 4: especially if you're innocent, I will not talk to you.
Speaker 4: I want I answer any questions without my lawyer. But
Speaker 4: so continue. So you you spoke to the police and
Speaker 4: you told them that you just didn't have a car,
Speaker 4: so that was your excuse, and you were your.
Speaker 1: Own Yeah, and.
Speaker 9: I was okay. I was seventeen at the time, and
Speaker 9: my mom was next to me and she's like, well,
Speaker 9: you have to call them back. You can't just leave
Speaker 9: them wondering. And so I called him back and I
Speaker 9: was like, hey, I received a voice from me.
Speaker 18: Yeah, And they were like okay, okay, so you you
Speaker 18: weren't near him or the car ever since this and
Speaker 18: this day, and I was like, yeah, I haven't seen
Speaker 18: him since then.
Speaker 9: I don't have a car, so it's like, how would
Speaker 9: I even be able to do that ever since then? Like,
Speaker 9: he just never pursued anything after that.
Speaker 4: He doesn't think. I still think he thinks it was you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he listed you as Its pretty obvious on the day
Speaker 4: you confronted him about having another girl. He thinks, when
Speaker 4: was the last time you spoke to him in the
Speaker 4: last eight years? Have you seen him around town?
Speaker 9: We've we've been on and off ever since then, Like I, yeah,
Speaker 9: we've we've been on and off ever since then. And
Speaker 9: on top of that, I when.
Speaker 4: Was the last time you saw him?
Speaker 9: About about a month ago? I saw him, But I've
Speaker 9: seen I talked to him four days ago.
Speaker 4: On the phone, And to this day, he still doesn't know.
Speaker 9: Nope, he totally knows.
Speaker 4: He knows. Are you are you? Like?
Speaker 9: What are you?
Speaker 1: Are you together?
Speaker 16: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you are you on right now? Or are you off?
Speaker 9: No? We're not, No, we're off we've been off I
Speaker 9: want to say for a year. He just like randomly
Speaker 9: called me sometimes and she'll like ask me like, hey,
Speaker 9: how are you doing? Do you want to go get food?
Speaker 17: Do you want to go?
Speaker 1: Did you ever would you ever be Would you ever
Speaker 1: tell him that it was you? No? Oh my goodness, No,
Speaker 1: I would never. How do you think he would react?
Speaker 1: I mean, he already knows, But how do you think
Speaker 1: he would react to you admitting it? Do you guys?
Speaker 1: Do you guys have a kid together?
Speaker 9: I think that he would be a presson background.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry say that again?
Speaker 4: Said you'd never talked to him again? He would never
Speaker 4: talk to him again.
Speaker 9: No, he would never talk to me again.
Speaker 4: Did you ever think that you had it in you,
Speaker 4: like that amount of rage to go and destroy someone's car?
Speaker 4: Have you ever felt that feeling since?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 9: I think I learned from that because the guilt is
Speaker 9: just too much for me. So I don't think I
Speaker 9: would ever do that again.
Speaker 6: I can't.
Speaker 9: I can't ever do something like that again. I can't
Speaker 9: let my anger get to me.
Speaker 1: At least so well, Cynthia, thank you for sharing. Is
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to say before we go?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 18: No, that's it.
Speaker 9: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1: I have a good rest of the night.
Speaker 3: Cynthia, you too, Gray.
Speaker 4: There's no way that guy doesn't think that Cynthia was
Speaker 4: the one who did it. I mean, who ell, who
Speaker 4: the fuck else? You get confronted about having another woman
Speaker 4: in your life and then that night your car gets destroyed. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't mind you. The spray paints not the worst part.
Speaker 4: It's the sand and the engine. Yeah, the guy knows.
Speaker 4: The guy knows. It's interesting that he's still, you know,
Speaker 4: calling her every now and then. They've been sounds like
Speaker 4: they've dated since.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the fact that she said that he
Speaker 1: would never talk to her again if he knew, I
Speaker 1: mean he he How would that be the one thing?
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's just not that's not healthy,
Speaker 4: Like if you have a secret that you can't tell somebody.
Speaker 4: I feel like that relationship just needs to end, you know,
Speaker 4: like the fact you know, there's no good outcome of
Speaker 4: that relationship, right right. Well, I hope Cynthia finds peace.
Speaker 1: I hope they both find peace. I hope that they
Speaker 1: don't have to go out and well, you know, maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean only maybe, maybe it would fix the relationship
Speaker 1: if she let him spray pant.
Speaker 4: Her car and put sand in the in the gas
Speaker 4: and put sand in the gas. That just stinks offensive equalizer, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I don't. I don't believe that. And I
Speaker 1: for an eye, Yeah, this is the right way to go.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't believe for a second that he
Speaker 4: knows He's got.
Speaker 1: To know Alex from Montana. Now, I've never been I've
Speaker 1: never been to Montana. I don't know if I ever
Speaker 1: will go to Montana.
Speaker 4: I've heard Montana is extremely beautiful.
Speaker 11: It is.
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing about Montana ever, nothing. I haven't heard it.
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever told me a single thing about Montana. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want to never talked to You're the first
Speaker 1: person in my entire life I think I've ever talked
Speaker 1: to you about Monty.
Speaker 4: Tell us about Montana. We want to know. I'm curious.
Speaker 13: Montana has a population of just over a million people
Speaker 13: of the state is public wilderness property?
Speaker 4: And how does how does that make you feel?
Speaker 13: That it's public property?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 13: Yes, how did that make me feel? It makes me
Speaker 13: feel good? You know. It means that it means that
Speaker 13: I can whenever I want, I can wake up and
Speaker 13: I can go drive and I can walk around in
Speaker 13: nature and experience nature.
Speaker 1: Alex, have you ever been in trouble?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 13: I I I crashed my car into another person's car
Speaker 13: and then kind of did like a like a a
Speaker 13: subsequent kind of like run from the police.
Speaker 1: So I guess, Okay, how do you.
Speaker 3: Get caught.
Speaker 13: Not by the police. I got in trouble with my
Speaker 13: my family, but the police did not catch me.
Speaker 1: You you mentioned in the in the the call screen
Speaker 1: or mentioned in the notes that you were like doing
Speaker 1: some drifting in a gravel parking lot to impress some girls.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: Did you impress them?
Speaker 13: And me and a friend of mine did we impress them? Well,
Speaker 13: in a roundabout way, I ended up, you know, I
Speaker 13: got I got some girl's phone numbers, and I think
Speaker 13: actually one girl did did want to give me her
Speaker 13: her phone number because she had seen me drifting and
Speaker 13: crash into the the other girl. And so I guess
Speaker 13: in a weird way, I might have impressed them. I
Speaker 13: don't know. Maybe maybe it's not quite like him.
Speaker 4: You you crash, and you crash and wanted to the
Speaker 4: other girls so they know who you are.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, we actually we exchanged like contact information.
Speaker 1: Right, you would have had to exchange information.
Speaker 4: So I don't understand why you're not running from the
Speaker 4: police at this point then, and why where are the
Speaker 4: police even then?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah, So what happened was it was like it was
Speaker 13: like a music venue and the gravel there was a
Speaker 13: gravel parking lot outside, and me and my friend decided
Speaker 13: that we wanted to drift around to impress girls, and
Speaker 13: so we were drifting, and another car with two girls
Speaker 13: in it saw us drifting and wanted to join in,
Speaker 13: and so they started drifting as well, and both of
Speaker 13: our cars drifted into each other, and so that's where
Speaker 13: it's kind of like it was like iffy about whose
Speaker 13: fault it was, and we were both like accusing each
Speaker 13: other of like it's your fault, and so we were
Speaker 13: like pretty upset. And so her car was pretty damage
Speaker 13: dented in on the side, but mine was pretty much fine.
Speaker 13: And so what happened and was someone from the music
Speaker 13: venue called the police because there had been a wreck,
Speaker 13: but me and the girl, neither of us wanted anything
Speaker 13: to do with the police because I think I think
Speaker 13: she was high or something and I had I had
Speaker 13: substances in my car that I didn't want getting, you know,
Speaker 13: involved in kind of like a legal legal trouble. So
Speaker 13: we both agreed to kind of try and try and
Speaker 13: limit the amount of trouble that we would get in.
Speaker 13: And so I left and I found out later that she.
Speaker 4: Left as well.
Speaker 7: We both left the scene, and then the police came
Speaker 7: looking for both of us, I guess, but we were
Speaker 7: driving around the city. It's a pretty small city, but
Speaker 7: trying to just avoid police trying to find us to
Speaker 7: find out why had happened because this venue had called
Speaker 7: about a wreck.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: So you got the girl's front up her Do you
Speaker 1: do important question? Do you guys still keep contact?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 13: No, I ended up. No, No, it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: No, because here's the thing is, if you're going to form,
Speaker 1: if you're going to begin a relationship or a courtship
Speaker 1: on the foundation of her primary interest in you being
Speaker 1: your ability to drift, you know, I mean, how I
Speaker 1: can how far can that really go?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I mean I think you know, there's there's like a
Speaker 13: famous film series called like Fast and Furious, and they
Speaker 13: drift in those and you know, they have the means
Speaker 13: about family being everything and they I think they have
Speaker 13: a really deep, deep relationship. And I think in some
Speaker 13: way you could say that that stems from drifting. And
Speaker 13: so I'd argue that that you could form a strong
Speaker 13: bond out of out of out of a love of drifting.
Speaker 13: You know, even if, even if you're both bad enough
Speaker 13: to drift into each other, I think you can come
Speaker 13: out of that with some kind of an interesting.
Speaker 4: Uh that's almost poetic. They drifted into each other?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: I think everything I said. I'm on your side well, Alex, Yeah, Alex. Uh,
Speaker 1: I hope that your dating life continues to go well
Speaker 1: and let you stay out of trouble.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I actually I have a wonderful girlfriend, So
Speaker 13: dating life is going well?
Speaker 1: And uh, well, does she even know that you can drift?
Speaker 1: Have you drifted in front of her before? Are saving that?
Speaker 11: Do you do you want?
Speaker 13: Do you want to know a funny story about drifting
Speaker 13: and my current girlfriend?
Speaker 1: How long will it take you to tell it?
Speaker 13: I can do it in fifteen seconds.
Speaker 4: Are you doing.
Speaker 11: Okay? The first time I ever drove her in my car.
Speaker 13: To go to my back to my house, I I
Speaker 13: was pulling onto my driveway and I hit some black
Speaker 13: ice and the car drifted into a fence post and
Speaker 13: the entire front of my car got like exploded everywhere.
Speaker 13: So I was like an involuntary drifting with my my
Speaker 13: like the first time I ever drove with her in
Speaker 13: my car.
Speaker 1: So twenty five seconds.
Speaker 4: Not it's not.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, you have the rest of the night.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you're too, thanks.
Speaker 12: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like, I don't funk with car.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I've never been like a car guy or like,
Speaker 1: let me do something cool and mic neither.
Speaker 4: I don't care let me have a.
Speaker 1: Cool and I've never wanted like a cool car.
Speaker 4: To me, cars are just to get to point A
Speaker 4: to point B.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly. I'll take a show. I will drive
Speaker 1: the shittiest fucking car as long as it worked, like
Speaker 1: like if it's like aesthetically shitty. I don't care why
Speaker 1: music and yeah, see, I.
Speaker 4: Don't really care about the brand or like you know,
Speaker 4: to me, it's all about safety, you know. Obviously I'm
Speaker 4: a Persondree lawyer. I see some ship. I will never
Speaker 4: not drive an suv. Yeah, every car that I will
Speaker 4: own for the rest of my real life will be
Speaker 4: an suv. You've been in my car. It's an s ev. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's intentional. I will not drive you never drama cars.
Speaker 4: I will never drive small cars.
Speaker 1: Should I get rid of my shudan? Should I get
Speaker 1: a bigger.
Speaker 4: If you have the option, you should always have an suv?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 4: Why is it because other people are going to have
Speaker 4: bigger cars than you? Yeah, and it's just a you.
Speaker 1: Know, would you ever get like a big van?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd get a big van. I just wouldn't get
Speaker 4: a small car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I'd love to. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'd love to live in a city where I could
Speaker 1: just walk every I fuck. I just I hate cars.
Speaker 4: Like I hate cars too.
Speaker 1: I hate cars the most, Like when you're going through
Speaker 1: your day, when you're going through your daily life, Like
Speaker 1: that's the most dangerous situation you're in every fucking day.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: And plus you know, look when you're walking, when you're
Speaker 1: taking the subway, you can get as drunk as you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who gives a ship, But in a car, it's very bad.
Speaker 4: It's very bad.
Speaker 1: Tristan from Arizona, Yo, Dude, how are you doing Tristan.
Speaker 11: About damn time?
Speaker 4: Dude? Pick forever?
Speaker 1: Dude of Tristan. I'm here with time on the phone.
Speaker 1: Is there anything in particular that I mean anything?
Speaker 16: You know?
Speaker 1: I know we have the topic. I think at this
Speaker 1: point we're kind of chilling it if is there? Is
Speaker 1: there anything in particular you wanted to talk about Tristan?
Speaker 1: Anything at all?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was just like, so, you know whose flipot is?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 4: Slip not?
Speaker 10: You know who?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Slip Yeah? Like the band?
Speaker 13: Yeah dude.
Speaker 8: So they were here and there was a couple of
Speaker 8: weeks ago and I helped set the big old bonfire
Speaker 8: that was going on and ship and like that like
Speaker 8: stopped the concert for like a couple like probably thirty minutes.
Speaker 8: So and like that shit was crazy, man, Like that
Speaker 8: she got a control that she got like hell, a
Speaker 8: bit of a dude. The bonfire, yeah, man, like it
Speaker 8: kind of got scary for U SEC. I was like fuck,
Speaker 8: like we kept throwing launchers and that ship, like it
Speaker 8: was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: COVID dude, what okay, COVID true? You have COVID right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: Sorry, man, God damn it.
Speaker 1: How recently were you at this concert?
Speaker 4: Do you think COVID at this concert?
Speaker 8: I think I think I did get it at the concert,
Speaker 8: I think, dude, because like I think, because it was
Speaker 8: like one on like a Thursday or something like that,
Speaker 8: Whinnsday or some ship, and then like a couple of
Speaker 8: days later, I was probably feeling like pretty bad over
Speaker 8: the weekend.
Speaker 17: Man.
Speaker 1: Wait whatever it was it was yesterday.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, yesterday. It was a few weeks ago now.
Speaker 8: But I think like like the lingering effect, man, that's
Speaker 8: what it is.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 1: So you were you were doing this giant fire, Yeah,
Speaker 1: did anything, did anything go wrong? Didn't get hurt.
Speaker 8: No, no one got hurt, but like they had like
Speaker 8: something monster and like that. And then like the next
Speaker 8: day or the same night, fucking Phoenix fire wanted to
Speaker 8: an investigation, like do it a little bonfire? Like, calm
Speaker 8: the fuck down, dude, don't go and put out a
Speaker 8: house fire.
Speaker 3: Do you come down?
Speaker 11: You're like.
Speaker 4: You said it was out of control and you were scared.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like no, it wasn't.
Speaker 8: No, it wasn't that out of control, dude, like it
Speaker 8: kind of got yeah life nah.
Speaker 4: Well, so tell me about them stopping the concert. How
Speaker 4: quickly did they say yeah? Because I'm genuinely you know,
Speaker 4: genuinely curious about about this.
Speaker 8: They stopped it, like I don't know they had they
Speaker 8: were playing one song and that they just stopped the
Speaker 8: whole show until they got the fire onunder control.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So I don't so it was a
Speaker 1: big enough deal that that they had to stop the concert.
Speaker 4: I would argue that they were acting as reasonable venue
Speaker 4: and or band. I think anybody I agree, I mean
Speaker 4: the Yeah, I mean it would be drastically irresponsible for
Speaker 4: them to continue the show while while the present danger
Speaker 4: presents itself.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Noah, and yeah, you were the
Speaker 1: one that started the fire.
Speaker 8: No, I no, No, I hadn't started. I helped like
Speaker 8: build it up because like we started throwing like launchers
Speaker 8: and ship. Who's got like the cheapest tickets and stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 8: like a little cheap best launchers right. Oh no, No,
Speaker 8: we're allowed to bring him into the into the venue
Speaker 8: because like it's like because there's like you like a
Speaker 8: little long.
Speaker 1: Lawn shares that you brought into the venue and you
Speaker 1: willing to move through them on the fire.
Speaker 8: Yeah, dude, I got some Walmart for like twenty bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they got a walmar f twenty bucks, dude, okay, okay, interesting, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 8: m hm, and you got a qtss voice.
Speaker 1: Though, I thank you very much. That's very nicer to say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: a voice. I think you have a cute voice. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: I think you have a cut voice. Stress. I think
Speaker 1: we have pretty cute voices.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know I do, dude, I know, I know.
Speaker 11: To you.
Speaker 1: Wait, so the fire department did an investigation, No.
Speaker 8: They wanted to. I saw that on on Twitter.
Speaker 11: I was like, what the hell for?
Speaker 8: Like, calm down, like, no one got hurt, no one
Speaker 8: got burned to live this lintle damn ww match and
Speaker 8: ship like calm down. But it was like big enough
Speaker 8: to like to stop the fire. Like it was like
Speaker 8: it was bingo to stop the show. I mean, and
Speaker 8: like it was just kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 14: Man.
Speaker 4: I would argue that any fire at a show probably
Speaker 4: warrant this show stopping.
Speaker 8: It's called the control burned.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 8: It's like they're doing everything with the with the forest
Speaker 8: fires like that to control burn.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're not going to win this argument about bonfire
Speaker 4: created by concert goers being considered a controlled burn.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but we're white man, so like come on, that
Speaker 8: means but.
Speaker 1: Look Tristan. Yo, Tristan, look, uh, look at the fire
Speaker 1: investigation department, you know, I mean if you're if you're
Speaker 1: a department that investigates fires and there's a fire, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it would make sense to go
Speaker 1: investigate that ship.
Speaker 4: And also so the whole controlled burn there is definitely
Speaker 4: not true. Yeah, I think this was probably fit under
Speaker 4: the category of an uncontrolled burn.
Speaker 8: They like they just like get rushing, like the uh
Speaker 8: the support staff, and like the security are the security
Speaker 8: with the with the fire. I thought it was kind
Speaker 8: of funny though, just to be just like rush into
Speaker 8: the scene and ship well like people still can't.
Speaker 1: Hurt at this concert? Oh no, of course, how do
Speaker 1: you recover from your coronavirus?
Speaker 8: And it ain't no joke, It's is real. Hey, I
Speaker 8: love you, Floppy, also support you.
Speaker 3: Also stuck to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have a good night, Tristan, any too, man?
Speaker 4: Some some questionable questionable comments by by truth Tristan.
Speaker 1: There definitely definitely, definitely a solid handful of questionable comments.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if you're a guy sitting at a
Speaker 1: desk at the fire department and someone texts you like,
Speaker 1: hey's a fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and he started out his story saying
Speaker 4: he was scared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: The fire was clearly not a controlled fire. Any fire
Speaker 4: that is set off by concert goers warrants the show
Speaker 4: being stopped immediately. And you know, I'm proud of Slipnod
Speaker 4: for seeing that true and stopping the show immediately. Props
Speaker 4: of them and the venue. That is how crowd control
Speaker 4: should be done.
Speaker 1: True, true, true. Nothing's more punk rock than safety exactly. Hey, folks,
Speaker 1: it's Lyle again. I just want to thank Attorney Tom
Speaker 1: for coming on the stream. That concludes his his portion
Speaker 1: of the podcast. I'm gonna take a few more calls
Speaker 1: just on my own here, but if you guys enjoyed
Speaker 1: Attorney Tom, please go check came out on YouTube at
Speaker 1: Attorney Tom is his channel. Thank you again to him
Speaker 1: for coming on, and please go check him out.
Speaker 4: He's a great guy.
Speaker 1: He makes great content and it was a pleasure to
Speaker 1: have him on. Okay, back to the calls. Cadville Chad, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you Chad?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, no way.
Speaker 1: Way, total way, jeez, this is amazing. What do you
Speaker 1: have to Chad?
Speaker 3: It's cad Cadville.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Cadville, Yeah, what's going on with you, Cadville.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't even know where to start. There's
Speaker 3: so much I wanted to want to tell you.
Speaker 1: Interesting you said, there's so much you wanted to tell me. Uh, okay,
Speaker 1: Well let's start with with with something anything at all
Speaker 1: in particular.
Speaker 3: Well, what I really want to talk to you about
Speaker 3: is a relationship that I'm having issues with.
Speaker 1: And why are you having issues in that relationship?
Speaker 3: Well, to be honest, it's, uh, this girl, Well, she's
Speaker 3: my fiancee and we've been actually engaged for about three
Speaker 3: years now, and I really I'm not sure whether or
Speaker 3: not I want to continue a relationship with her for
Speaker 3: a number of different reasons, one being she has some
Speaker 3: mental issues and I know it's it's hard to deal with.
Speaker 3: And I don't blame her for her issues as she
Speaker 3: has and she's had a very difficult life and I
Speaker 3: don't want to put you know, any of her stuff
Speaker 3: on blast. It's not my story to tell mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But you know, she it's gone to the point where
Speaker 3: we've been homeless on and off for about pretty much
Speaker 3: our whole engagement. And you know I wasn't always the
Speaker 3: best to her. You know, I did a lot of
Speaker 3: sucked up things. I honestly probably caused more psychological trauma
Speaker 3: to her. And I really do love her, but it's
Speaker 3: gotten to the point where, you know, we have looked
Speaker 3: basically at of hotels basically throughout the whole pandemic. On
Speaker 3: and off. She would get us kicked out because of
Speaker 3: her behavior, you know, And she'll be hospitalized and get
Speaker 3: help for a while, and they'll medicate her and when
Speaker 3: she's stable, the release her to me, but she'll she
Speaker 3: won't want to continue their medication and she won't listen
Speaker 3: to their diagnosis, and she basically doesn't want to continue
Speaker 3: seeking the help. And it's just gotten to the point
Speaker 3: where it's like I've lost a lot financially and a
Speaker 3: lot of like job opportunities, and I've basically changed my
Speaker 3: whole life around for you know, this girl, And I
Speaker 3: really do love her, and you know, I don't want
Speaker 3: anything to happen to her, but you know, like I
Speaker 3: don't think she understands where I'm coming from, like everything
Speaker 3: that I've sacrificed, and I know she sacrificed a lot too,
Speaker 3: and you know, I just don't know what to do
Speaker 3: at this point. Like I do love her, and I
Speaker 3: want her to get better and I want to have
Speaker 3: a life with her, but I don't know if I
Speaker 3: can do it right now. And the thing is that
Speaker 3: you know, she has suicidal tendencies and she doesn't have
Speaker 3: any family. I'm the only person that she knows. She
Speaker 3: basically moved out, could cross country from North Carolina here
Speaker 3: to California to be with me, and you know, gave
Speaker 3: up a lot. And I don't want to abandon her,
Speaker 3: and I do want to have a future with her,
Speaker 3: but it's gotten really difficult, and right now, I just
Speaker 3: want to focus on myself and get myself to a
Speaker 3: better position so that I can provide her with a
Speaker 3: better life. But I don't think I can.
Speaker 1: You said hold on really quickly, by the way, because
Speaker 1: you just said I'm trying to get a sense of
Speaker 1: where your head is at. Because you just said that.
Speaker 1: Did you say that you do want to have a
Speaker 1: future with her or you don't?
Speaker 3: I do, but I'm not sure we want the same
Speaker 3: things and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we can have a future because well,
Speaker 3: because I want.
Speaker 1: To say something, I mean, because you just said just
Speaker 1: now that you want to uh do better for yourself
Speaker 1: so that you can do better for her. That is
Speaker 1: that correct? Is that you said yes? All right? M
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it sounds like and and and
Speaker 1: from your words, you've just you've told me that you
Speaker 1: feel like you have caused her harm you say, and
Speaker 1: that she has caused you harm. And and really from
Speaker 1: a lot of what you described, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: this is super sustainable. I mean, I'd like to see
Speaker 1: you do better for yourself simply so that you can
Speaker 1: do better for yourself, not so much with with her
Speaker 1: in mind, because you know your whole thing of well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to abandon her because she came all
Speaker 1: the way out. I mean, that's that's very tough. But
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't feel like you're helping her,
Speaker 1: then I don't see a reason for you two to
Speaker 1: continue being together. I mean, nothing that you've really said
Speaker 1: to me so far has given me any indication that
Speaker 1: you two should continue to see each other. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like you two have like your own problems
Speaker 1: that you need to work out on your own, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like being with each other is making them worse.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm only making assumptions based off
Speaker 1: of what you're telling me, But is what do you
Speaker 1: think about those assumptions I've just made?
Speaker 3: And to be honest, it's you're right, you know, Like
Speaker 3: and I've told I've explained my situation to a lot
Speaker 3: of people, even in more in depth, you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, I.
Speaker 1: Haven't been And what do those people tell you when
Speaker 1: you explain your situation to them?
Speaker 3: You know, they kind of basically tell me about the
Speaker 3: same thing, you know, like it that I should probably
Speaker 3: focus on self.
Speaker 1: And you know, okay, so what I do.
Speaker 3: I do want to improve myself for me, it's not
Speaker 3: just for her, because you know, like, so.
Speaker 1: You've expressed your situation to me, you've expressed it to
Speaker 1: it sounds like a bunch of people and they've all
Speaker 1: told you that you should It sounds like step away
Speaker 1: and improve yourself. And then what I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you think about that?
Speaker 3: And they're right, And like I said, I've honestly have
Speaker 3: felt that way for since the beginning of our relationship.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I even told her that I wasn't
Speaker 3: really seeking a relationship.
Speaker 1: So then what the beginning? So then so then what's
Speaker 1: what do you feel like is stopping you?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Now from going off and doing that. Is it is
Speaker 1: it that you don't want to abandon her as you.
Speaker 3: Say, Yeah, I don't want to abandon her. Like I said,
Speaker 3: she does have suicidal tendencies. The last time I tried
Speaker 3: to leave her, honestly, they she had to go to
Speaker 3: the hospital and be on a psychiatrical because you know,
Speaker 3: she she alms, she tried to kill herself. And how can.
Speaker 1: I ask you real quick, have you spoken to a
Speaker 1: real social worker therapist about this situation.
Speaker 3: I'm working on that at the moment. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I just got into the shelter about a week ago,
Speaker 3: so bright now I'm really trying to focus on myself.
Speaker 3: She's in the shelter too, but a different one. And honestly,
Speaker 3: time away has honestly felt good, Like honestly.
Speaker 1: It sounds good for you to be away from her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like honestly, it's like I care about her a lot,
Speaker 3: and I know she goes through a lot, and like
Speaker 3: I feel messed up because sometimes it's like she's calling
Speaker 3: me because you know, she wants to speak with me
Speaker 3: because she's having a hard time at her shelter, or
Speaker 3: she was having all the time at the hospital. But
Speaker 3: there were times where I'm working or you know, I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm driving to get back to my shelter or
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 1: That, here's here's here's the thing, and and tell me
Speaker 1: what you think of this. I'm not I'm not telling
Speaker 1: you to believe anything, but I'd like to hear what
Speaker 1: you think about this, because, first of all, just totally
Speaker 1: see a real social worker, therapist, person who's not a
Speaker 1: gecko about this. There would know more than I do.
Speaker 1: But my thoughts on something like this from you know,
Speaker 1: when I've when I've talked to people about it before,
Speaker 1: is like, if you're afraid of abandoning her, right, but
Speaker 1: if you are unhappy when you're around her, if you are,
Speaker 1: if you and you said this in your own words,
Speaker 1: feel like this relationship is toxic and it's not working
Speaker 1: for It's not gonna work for either of you. It
Speaker 1: does not serve you. It does not it does not
Speaker 1: serve her to continue being with her, because ultimately people
Speaker 1: should be with people who are happy to be around them.
Speaker 1: So if you're not happy being around her, it doesn't
Speaker 1: serve her to keep being around her. So just just
Speaker 1: so that she has someone, you know, because ultimately, what
Speaker 1: what what we want for her, what we want for
Speaker 1: you is both you guys, to be with people who
Speaker 1: you enjoy being around you. That's what I think. And
Speaker 1: it also just sounds like to me that she needs,
Speaker 1: you know, genuine psychological you know, help that you might
Speaker 1: not be able to provide. And it's just really it's
Speaker 1: just really tough. I'm not gonna ptend like I you
Speaker 1: don't have any remotely any answers to this situation. But
Speaker 1: I do believe that if you are not enjoying the relationship,
Speaker 1: it does not help them. It does not help the
Speaker 1: other person to stay in it, even though on paper
Speaker 1: maybe it seems like it does. You might not agree
Speaker 1: with that, but what do you think of it?
Speaker 3: No, I do agree with that, you know. And it's
Speaker 3: it's just hard, you know. It's like I said, I
Speaker 3: don't want to like cut her off because I pay
Speaker 3: for her poem and everything, and like I'm encouraging her
Speaker 3: to look for work and stuff like that because you know,
Speaker 3: she needs to be self. I can't provide everything for her,
Speaker 3: you know, like I would have a life together with her,
Speaker 3: and you know, she doesn't want to be like on
Speaker 3: disability or anything like that. And you know she has
Speaker 3: worked throughout our relationship too. You know, it's not like
Speaker 3: I've been the only provider. It's just been difficult with
Speaker 3: the pandemic. And it's not like I'm not happy with her,
Speaker 3: you know all the time. You know, like I do
Speaker 3: love her and we have a lot of fun, you know,
Speaker 3: but there's just times where she's causing a lot of stress.
Speaker 3: Like I said, thout the pandemic, I was just trying
Speaker 3: to keep us basically, you know, off the streets. And
Speaker 3: there was multiple times where we were just asked to
Speaker 3: leave because she was making guests uncomfortable and things like that.
Speaker 1: And listen, what do you say Your name.
Speaker 11: Was tad Vail.
Speaker 1: You can call me Veil Bail, Veil Veil. That's a
Speaker 1: cool name, Like yeah, like it like a party up
Speaker 1: with that just now?
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, if I kind of use that for like
Speaker 3: a character. I used to write stories in high school
Speaker 3: and it was a character and it's like a it's
Speaker 3: like a play on words. It's like supposed to be
Speaker 3: like a veil between worlds.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, you know, before we go, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say I think I can tell that you care very
Speaker 1: much about this person. Which is nice. It's good to care.
Speaker 1: I I hope that you find a legitimate mental health
Speaker 1: counselor to go through this issue with you. And look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for her, rooting for
Speaker 1: the good of humanity, and I I I appreciate you
Speaker 1: sharing with us and I hope you can find and
Speaker 1: some help.
Speaker 3: Thank you, man, I really appreciate it. Thank you for listening,
Speaker 3: and I want to thank everyone else for listening to absolutely.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, Man, I love your show.
Speaker 3: I love what you do. Believe it or not, it
Speaker 3: does help a lot of people. It does help me
Speaker 3: even just listening. You know. I found you during the pandemic.
Speaker 3: I listened to all your podcasts every time they come out, man,
Speaker 3: and I just want to say what you do is
Speaker 3: it's really helpful. You're not a real therapist, and I
Speaker 3: know it's like I do need to see some help,
Speaker 3: and there's other people that do need to seek help,
Speaker 3: but you are also you know, a help. You know,
Speaker 3: there's like a lot of people that call that you
Speaker 3: know have stories or maybe are some embarrassed to share
Speaker 3: some things with, you know, like their general family or
Speaker 3: people that you know they they're just scared, so, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's the Internet and there's a lot of we're
Speaker 3: out there and like people like you, and I just
Speaker 3: want to say that that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, val Man. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: wish you good luck and thank you. Thank you for sharing,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: You have a wonderful night you as well.
Speaker 1: Vail oh fail forever.
Speaker 3: Aw from Faulkner.
Speaker 1: Faulkner. How old are you?
Speaker 3: Yahouh thirty one?
Speaker 1: Fulk nor fulk nor Fulkner. Yeah, sir, fucker's anything in
Speaker 1: particular you want to talk about?
Speaker 17: Uh, yeah, I kind of got a crazy situation. Well,
Speaker 17: I've been in a long term relationship. We've been together
Speaker 17: like ten years. You got four kids together now for
Speaker 17: girls to be sad, beautiful and actually the last we've
Speaker 17: worked together for the whole relationship then too, except for
Speaker 17: the last two years.
Speaker 3: And it's been.
Speaker 17: Last two years actually been probably the better years of
Speaker 17: the relationship. That can be due to a number of things.
Speaker 17: I've recently got a sober and with that, you know,
Speaker 17: comes to all kinds of better stuff. M It's the
Speaker 17: first time I've been able to hold a house down
Speaker 17: by myself for the whole ten years. Who've been together?
Speaker 1: Beautiful and uh.
Speaker 17: I just after doing this for two years. I don't know,
Speaker 17: I see it. I see it hard moving back together,
Speaker 17: like I don't I don't know. Every time I go
Speaker 17: spend the weekend over, he comes over here. I don't
Speaker 17: know if it's because of the time has spent apart,
Speaker 17: anything changed, like you know, sub consciously.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So so wait a minute, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me kind of get this straight here. So you
Speaker 1: are in a long term relationship about ten years, you
Speaker 1: got four kids together. Yeah, and you used to live together,
Speaker 1: but now you do not, but you're still together as
Speaker 1: so you used to live So let me just get
Speaker 1: this straight. You used to live together. Why did you
Speaker 1: stop living together?
Speaker 17: It just got pretty roughly for a while. Consent couldn't
Speaker 17: seem to get along.
Speaker 1: For anything interesting, so she moved out.
Speaker 17: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what happened to the kids?
Speaker 17: Okay? All over there, I work like the eighty hours
Speaker 17: a week, so all.
Speaker 1: Right, so you're working eighty hours a week, but you're
Speaker 1: financially supporting the kids, and are you financially supporting her
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I help, Okay, okay, And and you guys are still together.
Speaker 1: So she moved out, but she didn't break up with you.
Speaker 10: No, that.
Speaker 17: Only took like too much. We did put up there
Speaker 17: for a minute, but that was an ongoing thing too,
Speaker 17: and we've actually that has come doing it and we
Speaker 17: haven't did the whole breakup, back together, break that back
Speaker 17: to other thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're back together last year?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 1: And yeah, all right, so you're back together. Are you
Speaker 1: living alone?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 14: We both are.
Speaker 17: I mean she's got the kids, but I was by myself.
Speaker 3: He was by herself.
Speaker 17: And I mean that is the that is the the endgame,
Speaker 17: that the goal is to live back together at some point.
Speaker 17: But like I said, going back over there just constantly hacktic.
Speaker 17: She's always you know, arguing with the kids, going with
Speaker 17: the kids.
Speaker 1: This is a very interesting such relation here because okay,
Speaker 1: well let me ask you, do you do you do
Speaker 1: you like your girlfriends? You enjoy being around there?
Speaker 12: I do?
Speaker 1: Okay? And sounds like you mean that. Do you do
Speaker 1: you like your children? Do you do you enjoy being
Speaker 1: around them?
Speaker 14: Unconditionally?
Speaker 1: Well unconditionally? I mean I don't know is it unconditionally
Speaker 1: because you sound like you know, if if you were
Speaker 1: to live together like.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like under the condition of you
Speaker 1: guys living together, your your like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if is unhappy the word.
Speaker 17: Uh no, not not not necessarily, but I mean, I'm
Speaker 17: there there will be conditions. I guess there's just had
Speaker 17: to be a lot of changes.
Speaker 1: I just can't what kind of changes.
Speaker 14: And I guess she could have wanted to deal with
Speaker 14: deal with kids in a more calmer way, like, can't
Speaker 14: resort to yelling at them. You know, they do the
Speaker 14: same thing.
Speaker 17: The kids are kids, They're gonna yell and you know,
Speaker 17: be crazy. But she can't resort to doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Is she full? So is it is in an arrangement
Speaker 1: where like you're working full time and she's taking care
Speaker 1: of the kids. Yeah, and not working Okay, interesting mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Do you have plans to move back in together?
Speaker 17: Yep, that's that's the goal hopefully.
Speaker 1: All these things that you're telling her about, like you know,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't yell to kids, and you know, I wish
Speaker 1: you would be calmer when you're dealing with the kids.
Speaker 1: This is all stuff you've told her before. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: what does she say?
Speaker 17: She you know she kind of realizes it, but I
Speaker 17: think it's just like a rombo type, you like, because
Speaker 17: the kids are all still young.
Speaker 11: They're all understand so two.
Speaker 17: Of them, well one's just actually too much.
Speaker 14: Old now, so two of them are around constantly. One
Speaker 14: actually just got into preschool. So it can be rough,
Speaker 14: you know, you know, not having a job being around
Speaker 14: young kids like that all day.
Speaker 17: I understand completely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that sounds tough. I mean, well, let
Speaker 1: me ask you an, I think have you gone to
Speaker 1: any sort of counseling or anything like that?
Speaker 14: No, not really, that's one thing we haven't done.
Speaker 1: I haven't because because I mean, this situation seems like
Speaker 1: it's one where something like that would would work, right,
Speaker 1: because I'm getting the sense from both you and your
Speaker 1: your partner that like you both genuinely want to make it,
Speaker 1: to make it work, but you have apprehensions about you know,
Speaker 1: little particular things. Yeah, so I think that could be
Speaker 1: that could be helpful to do some sort of counseling.
Speaker 14: That probably would and like, we don't know that I
Speaker 14: think about it.
Speaker 17: We've never tried it since I've been sober.
Speaker 14: You know what I mean, So how long have you
Speaker 14: been so before, especially like a year.
Speaker 1: A year okay, good, good good. So I mean, look, dude,
Speaker 1: like the will, the will is there, I hear it,
Speaker 1: and you like, you want to be with your kids,
Speaker 1: you want to be with with your partner, you want
Speaker 1: to make it work, you want to say, you want
Speaker 1: to do it all. So I mean, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the most important thing I think, you know, is that
Speaker 1: you still use that you have that that will and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hoping that the will is strong enough that,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes time to you know, move
Speaker 1: back in with your family. Uh you know, I hope
Speaker 1: that that will is alive enough to like, you know,
Speaker 1: push you to to try to make it work.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean I can't prove and I've got to
Speaker 14: you know, deal with it as well, help her with
Speaker 14: the kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, man, it's it's it's tough, right you're
Speaker 1: because you know she I it seems to me like
Speaker 1: you guys have a I mean again, I don't know
Speaker 1: the intricacies of your relationship, but it seems to me
Speaker 1: like you guys have a fairish agreement where you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're working eighty hours a week and
Speaker 1: she's also working, you know, around the clock taking care
Speaker 1: of the kids. I mean, that's that's that's tough for
Speaker 1: both of you guys, you know, right, it seems like
Speaker 1: you both are pretty respectful of each other's, you know,
Speaker 1: of each other's sort of respective jobs, you know, of
Speaker 1: hers being you know, taking care of the kids and
Speaker 1: yours being you know, providing. Would you would you say
Speaker 1: that's accurate?
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I mean that's like the thing. You know,
Speaker 14: he's working in eighty hours a week, a job like
Speaker 14: them was going to you know, being a few time
Speaker 14: on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 13: More.
Speaker 1: Well listen, what did you say? Your name was Andrew?
Speaker 1: And Andrew? Well Andrew again. Good luck to you man,
Speaker 1: congratulations on being a year sober. Again. I hear you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know you, man, but you know, I get
Speaker 1: the idea that you want to make this work, and
Speaker 1: I think you will. I think you will because I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. Just hear it in your voice
Speaker 1: that that you have that will to make it work.
Speaker 1: And is there anything else that you want to say
Speaker 1: before before we head off?
Speaker 3: Yuah no, just hell yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 1: You keep talking as well, man. Thank you. Yep, I
Speaker 1: like that guy.
Speaker 5: All from Jason Wong.
Speaker 1: Jason Wong Yep, Hey, hey, what are you doing.
Speaker 12: Chilling?
Speaker 16: I'm chilling at home.
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's kind of what I'm doing too.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: What's crazy about it?
Speaker 16: No, dude, that I mean, I can't believe I'm actually
Speaker 16: talking to you.
Speaker 1: You know, mathematically it actually makes sense that you're talking
Speaker 1: to me because of all the people calling in, one
Speaker 1: of them had to make it through the phone line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so mathematically perfect, like.
Speaker 16: One hundred and one hundred times almost over.
Speaker 1: Is there anything in particular that you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Actually I do, hit Man.
Speaker 16: Well, you see, I recently I'm really into tattoos and
Speaker 16: I recently got like a really big, really visible tattoo
Speaker 16: on my arm and I love it. But why do
Speaker 16: I get annoyed when people ask me the same questions
Speaker 16: about it, like over and over again.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 16: Why is that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 16: Why does it annoy me so much?
Speaker 1: What questions do they ask you?
Speaker 16: Well, the first one is always like, I never get
Speaker 16: annoyed when people tell me like they like it, that's
Speaker 16: always cool. I always appreciate that. But then they always
Speaker 16: ask me like how much does it like cost? Which
Speaker 16: I never tell them.
Speaker 8: That's it's expensive, That's why I say.
Speaker 16: And then they always ask me like how much it hurts?
Speaker 10: And then.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 16: I just feel like a robot answering the same question
Speaker 16: almost like every day.
Speaker 1: Why did you get the tattoo? You said, you're just
Speaker 1: really tattoos.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean my friends, my friends and I are
Speaker 16: all like really into tattoos. So I've been saving on
Speaker 16: money for a while to get it, so I wanted
Speaker 16: to get it, and I just just got it.
Speaker 1: And does it bother you anytime anyone asks you any
Speaker 1: questions about your tattoos or just like certain a certain
Speaker 1: specific handful of questions bother you.
Speaker 16: I don't know, because some days I will answer them
Speaker 16: like completely fine. Some days and they'll be like, man,
Speaker 16: these people are asking me the same questions all the time.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hmm. Yeah, and my mom had so you
Speaker 1: say the I'm sorry, what did you just say?
Speaker 16: And my mom hates it too.
Speaker 1: Your mom hates it. So you said, some days you
Speaker 1: don't mind answering these questions, but then some days you do.
Speaker 16: Maybe it don't depending on my mood.
Speaker 1: So do you say it's dependent on your mood?
Speaker 4: Maybe tell me, tell me tell.
Speaker 1: Me about the mood you're in when you don't like
Speaker 1: answering these questions.
Speaker 16: Oh, when I'm I don't know, like when I'm focused.
Speaker 16: Usually it's like usually at school, and usually like when
Speaker 16: I'm when I'm focused, it alway seems like when I'm focused,
Speaker 16: people people.
Speaker 12: Bother me, what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you focusing on?
Speaker 8: There are a lot of school work.
Speaker 16: I'm an architecture major, so I gotta be like on
Speaker 16: my my grind a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, but so you know, actually, let's deflect away from
Speaker 1: the negative here. I'm kind of curious you say that
Speaker 1: you have some moods where you don't mind when people
Speaker 1: are asking you these questions. What do you feel like? What?
Speaker 4: What? Tell me?
Speaker 1: Tell me how you feel in these moments where people
Speaker 1: ask you these questions and they just roll off your
Speaker 1: back and you're like, oh yeah, maybe you maybe you
Speaker 1: even take maybe maybe there are even some moods that
Speaker 1: you're in where you take delight in answering these questions.
Speaker 1: What are what are those moods?
Speaker 16: Like, that's a deep question.
Speaker 14: I don't know.
Speaker 16: Usually when I'm like at work, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 16: bartender also, so it's like it's nice. A lot of
Speaker 16: old women like it. You get a lot of tips
Speaker 16: from that.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. So you enjoy it as a way of, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when you are feeling in a sociable mood.
Speaker 1: They function as a way to bring bring people all
Speaker 1: to socialize with you. Is that accurate? I guess.
Speaker 16: But it's not like I'm not like one of those
Speaker 16: people who like in my tatchooes or like my personality trait,
Speaker 16: you know, it's like I just got them because I
Speaker 16: like them and I appreciate them.
Speaker 8: But people I don't know.
Speaker 16: I guess it's I guess maybe it's just the way,
Speaker 16: like maybe it's just the way people ask me.
Speaker 1: The way they are what do you what do you?
Speaker 1: What do you have to say about the way that
Speaker 1: they ask you, because.
Speaker 16: You can always tell, in my opinion, when they ask me,
Speaker 16: it's like they always ask me, you know, like the
Speaker 16: basic questions, and they ask you like what do your
Speaker 16: parents think about it?
Speaker 13: And that's like, do you have a question?
Speaker 16: Always makes me feel weird.
Speaker 1: But do you detect that there is some kind of
Speaker 1: shaming on their part in that question in the tone
Speaker 1: of voice of that question, Yeah, okay, see okay? And
Speaker 1: how much of that, would you say, is the reason
Speaker 1: why you don't like getting these questions?
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 16: I haven't really thought about it that much.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad we're doing that now. I'm glad we're
Speaker 1: thinking about it because I learned this concept from a
Speaker 1: YouTube video. There's a youth fucking YouTube channel. I think
Speaker 1: it's called Charisma and Command. I was watching one of
Speaker 1: their videos. Learned about this beautiful concept that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to incorporate more in my life. Uh, it's called reading
Speaker 1: positive intent. So, like, if someone asks you a question
Speaker 1: about your tattoo and you think maybe they're like, there's
Speaker 1: there's some like a judgy overtone to it, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to accept that as you don't have
Speaker 1: to interpret it that way even if and you don't
Speaker 1: know if that was their intention. You have really kind
Speaker 1: of no way of knowing if that was their intention.
Speaker 1: And regardless of whether or not that was their intention,
Speaker 1: you don't have to interpret it with their intention in mine.
Speaker 1: You can just interpret it as them having whatever the
Speaker 1: most genuine intent possible is. Right, So, if someone asked
Speaker 1: you that question, like what do your parents think of
Speaker 1: your tattoos? And maybe you think that they're doing it
Speaker 1: in a shameful way. I mean, you could interpret it
Speaker 1: in any way you desire. You can interpret it as, oh,
Speaker 1: they're just genuinely curious, or oh they're just trying to
Speaker 1: make conversation with me, or maybe they're genuinely concerned, or
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's literally any number of positive ways
Speaker 1: you could spin it. And then that's kind of your choice,
Speaker 1: right of, like how you want to interpret that question,
Speaker 1: And so if it's up to you, if it's your choice,
Speaker 1: you know, it would make the most sense if you
Speaker 1: try to interpret those questions in whatever way makes you
Speaker 1: the least annoyed, So that way you get to spend
Speaker 1: less time annoyed, and then you'll probably respond to them
Speaker 1: a little bit more like positive because because you're interpreting
Speaker 1: them as approaching you positively, and then maybe that'll make
Speaker 1: them approach you positively even more. Does any of that
Speaker 1: make any sense?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 16: That was pretty Uh, it's pretty crazy think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, you know, I mean, next time someone
Speaker 1: asks you something about your tattoos, you know, regardless of
Speaker 1: even if it's like so glaringly obvious, and I don't
Speaker 1: assume it always is, but even if it is glaringly
Speaker 1: obvious that they are trying to do so in some
Speaker 1: hostile way, just try interpreting it positively and see what happens,
Speaker 1: See how they react, see how you feel, you know,
Speaker 1: if you can.
Speaker 8: Hm, that's all I to think about.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to talk about
Speaker 1: or say to the people of the internet before we go?
Speaker 16: Everybody really wants to know what it is. Seems like
Speaker 16: it it's just a full It's basically just like a
Speaker 16: full Japanese sleeve on my arm. It's like just a
Speaker 16: bunch of different Asian shit. I guess.
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty, but.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's seems like really like dark and black. So
Speaker 16: that's why people like ask a lot of questions about it.
Speaker 1: Would you say, name was Jason? Jason Gay? Bless you,
Speaker 1: thank you for calling.
Speaker 2: Thank The rep Kid goes on the line taking your
Speaker 2: phone calls every night. The Rep Kid goes doing his
Speaker 2: eye he's teaching you loud the liver of your life.
Speaker 2: But he's not really an expert.