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Speaker 1: Welcome in Wednesday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. We have got

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Speaker 1: a ton of stories to dive into throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of the program, a lot of great guests.

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Speaker 2: Coming your way and more. But let's get started.

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Speaker 1: A couple of stories that are at front and center

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Speaker 1: right now, Buck, and we've teased one of these for

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Speaker 1: several days. A huge lawsuit outcome in Westchester County, I believe,

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Speaker 1: just outside of New York City, relating to trans related

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Speaker 1: surgeries on minors has thrown everything into an uproar surrounding

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Speaker 1: that issue. Also, the Washington Post has cut basically a

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Speaker 1: third of all of the employees at the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: as that newspaper's business has collapsed. I got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of thoughts on that, because I think I understand it

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Speaker 1: pretty well in the media ecosystem. But let's go to

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Speaker 1: this transgender case, because Buck, I think it actually represents

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Speaker 1: something that you and I have been saying on this

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Speaker 1: program was going to be transformative for the conversation that

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Speaker 1: we have here. And let me give you a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the background in case you haven't already seen it.

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Speaker 1: In a first of its kind verdict. I'm reading from

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Speaker 1: a report here. A New York jury awarded a individual

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Speaker 1: named Fox Verren, a detransitioner, two million dollars after finding

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Speaker 1: that a psychologist and surgeon committed medical malpractice by approving

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Speaker 1: and performing a double mysectomy on her when she was

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Speaker 1: just sixteen years old. Jurors were asked a simple question,

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Speaker 1: did these doctors follow basic standards of care before lopping

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Speaker 1: off a teenager's healthy body parts? The answer was a

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Speaker 1: clear no. This individual, this girl testified she didn't believe

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Speaker 1: she was male. She felt pressured. The mom testified that

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Speaker 1: she felt pressured to consent to surgery after being told

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Speaker 1: what do they always tell the parents here? Would you

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Speaker 1: rather have a live child or a dead you know,

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Speaker 1: live boy or a dead girl? They emotionally blackmail the

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Speaker 1: parents into thinking their kids are going to commit suicide

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Speaker 1: if they don't do it. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: hugely important jury verdict buck because of a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: One where it happened. Westchester is typically, I think a

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Speaker 1: place where Democrats would do quite well. In other words,

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Speaker 1: this is not a died died in the wool sort

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Speaker 1: do well, so this is probably a Democrat voting jury

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Speaker 1: and they hit for two million dollars and buck. I've

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Speaker 1: been making this argument for some time. The reality here

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Speaker 1: is a lot of people know this is morally wrong,

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Speaker 1: but they're cowards, and what they will do is they

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Speaker 1: will use the business expense and the ability and the

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Speaker 1: danger as a cover to argue that they can no

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Speaker 1: longer allow these surgeries to take place. I think you're

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Speaker 1: going to see in rapid short order, no one under

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Speaker 1: the age of eighteen is going to be allowed to

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Speaker 1: have these surgeries, which is the right call, which you

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Speaker 1: and I have been arguing for for five years on

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Speaker 1: this program, and I think it's an example of plainiffs

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Speaker 1: lawyers actually getting to a better result than unfortunately many

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Speaker 1: people who are politicians could.

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Speaker 3: This is an absolutely necessary step. It's not just something

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Speaker 3: that is good. Without this, we would not be winning

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Speaker 3: the not just the argument, but protecting children. And that's

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Speaker 3: what this is fundamentally about. This goes beyond the political.

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Speaker 3: What has been done with the trans movement in this

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Speaker 3: country is cruel, It is destructive, it is deeply immoral,

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Speaker 3: and there need to be consequences Now you and I

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Speaker 2: But really, and I actually wasn't going to make.

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Speaker 3: This about my book, but there's a whole chapter in

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Speaker 3: Manufacturing Delusion about the trends here.

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Speaker 2: It is manufacturing delusion. Get your pre orders. Now there's clay.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole chapter about the trans issue and how

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Speaker 3: not only does it hurt the people irreparably who have

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Speaker 3: they did to the Now I understand something they're gonna say,

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Speaker 3: someone trans my kid, they would have to be removing

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Speaker 3: No one from the state, no one is taking my

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Speaker 3: And every parent should know that it is ultimately their

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Speaker 3: the media will not tell you the truth. By the way,

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Speaker 3: the media will not tell you the truth about abortion,

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Speaker 3: as you all know, and the media will not tell

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Speaker 2: Why is that.

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Speaker 3: I can go on GROC, I can go anywhere I Clay,

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Speaker 3: I can find I can watch on YouTube all kinds

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Speaker 3: You won't find a trans surgery on there. You won't

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Speaker 3: find them showing you the aftermath. And that women for

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, men for example, who think they become women

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Speaker 3: to these people. And it is a necessary step. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, all of the conservatives, all the people

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Speaker 3: team needed to win this one. Our team needed to

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Speaker 3: for the children that are being defended.

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Speaker 2: By this Clay.

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Speaker 3: I hope that there are more of these suits, and

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Speaker 3: I hope that this whole edifice of trans surgery for

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Speaker 3: you look at this woman, this young woman Clay, that

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Speaker 3: they did this too. She had like five different mental

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Speaker 3: health diagnoses, real mental health diagnoses of mental illness. They

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Speaker 3: actually a man or a woman. She's essentially crazy and

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Speaker 3: needs help. And that's what they abandon. They abandon the

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Speaker 3: hippocratic oath. They abandon the most important obligation they have

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Speaker 1: I think the doctors, many of them, should lose their

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Speaker 1: licenses over this, because what is the first, to your point,

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Speaker 1: hipocratic oath? First do no harm. I would argue that

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Speaker 1: unnecessary surgery chopping off body parts is indisputably a violation

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Speaker 1: Rowling just posted this buck the Harry Potter author who

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Speaker 1: the worst medical scandals of all time, adults inside and

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Speaker 1: the idea all of their complex trauma would be resolved

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Speaker 1: by removing healthy body parts. As more and more detransitioners

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Speaker 1: of an ideology. Clinicians performing these treatments will go down

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Speaker 1: in history as barbarous activists who betrayed a sacred oath

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Speaker 1: urge these young people on, gleefully assuring them anyone advising

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Speaker 1: it even as the evidence of harm mounted. They're just

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Speaker 1: as culpable as these clinicians. Never forget, because only by

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Speaker 1: well said she maybe has a future in writing, but buck,

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Speaker 1: I do think that if you're wondering. You're saying, Okay, Clay, well,

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Speaker 1: how does this two million dollar verdict? How does it

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Speaker 1: change things? All of these hospitals that did these surgeries,

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Speaker 1: crosswise with the transgender community, they're going to say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a political decision. This is just a business decision.

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Speaker 1: We can't risk tens of millions of dollars in liability

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Speaker 1: the plaintiff lawyers ironically are actually the heroes because by

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Speaker 1: New York. Way, don't they start having these cases in Alabama? Way,

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Speaker 1: don't they start having those places in Tennessee, Florida. These numbers,

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Speaker 1: I want, Ruth.

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Speaker 3: I want the most aggressive ambulance chasers in history all

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Speaker 2: I want them to go.

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Speaker 3: So if you've ever been like a slip and fall attorney,

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Speaker 3: now's your chance to be the hero because and I

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Speaker 3: what you said is absolutely essential, And that's what I

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Speaker 3: meant about feeling the pain, the financial pain. Yes, these

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Speaker 3: places must be there must be consequences for this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: have we won the argument? Well, any will any democrat

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Speaker 3: Even when Neil de grass Tyson tried that, he got

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Speaker 3: Beyond just the financial pain though, Clay, this will get

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Speaker 2: This is a huge deal.

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Speaker 3: This is massive liability for all of these surgeries, all

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Speaker 1: It also shows the colossal amount of fear in asking

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Speaker 1: And this is where this whole toxic empathy idea has

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Speaker 1: the real story here is not that we've got some

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Speaker 1: It's actually not significant enough to strip these people of

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Speaker 3: And this is not bravado. This is and every father,

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Vox.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about this big, big lawsuit that ended up

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Speaker 3: Some mental illness. People can have a very different degrees.

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Speaker 1: from the earth.

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Speaker 3: People will points to there's a long history of transvestites,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, in theater, for example, men played all

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Speaker 3: the roles of women. So yes, dressing up as women.

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Speaker 3: But dressing up as women is harmless. I mean, whether

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Speaker 3: you think it's weird or not, that's up to you.

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Speaker 3: But it's harmless and it's a person. There's no problem.

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Speaker 3: If somebody wants to wear a dress, they're welcome to

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Speaker 3: wear a dress, but we're allowed to know that it's

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Speaker 3: we're allowed to say, well, that's a dude in address yep.

446
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Speaker 3: And this is the rejection of reality, which is again

447
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Speaker 3: whether there's a whole chapter in Manufacturing Delusion about this

448
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Speaker 3: very issue, which I recommend you go get right now

449
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Speaker 3: on Amazon. Go buy a pre order copy please, or

450
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Speaker 3: the audiobook also you can hear my voice do the

451
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Speaker 3: whole book. The gender the gender affirmation thing that they use,

452
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Speaker 3: this gender transition rhetoric lay is all meant to get

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Speaker 3: people to give up their right to speak the truth.

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Speaker 3: Because if you're willing to say that I don't know

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Speaker 3: the difference be in a man and a woman, you

456
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Speaker 3: can say anything. There's nothing that can't be forced upon you.

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Speaker 3: So it's really the ultimate intellectual subjugation that we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the difference between a penis and a vagina.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty fundamental thing that you can't tell the

460
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Speaker 3: difference between gender assigned at birth. To use this language,

461
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Speaker 3: this was just brainwashing on the scale of the Maoist

462
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Speaker 3: cultural revolution. People went mad with this stuff, and we

463
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Speaker 3: are finally, finally at an inflection point where we haven't won,

464
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Speaker 3: but it is turning back the other way. This is

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Speaker 3: moving back in the direction of sanity. And for the

466
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Speaker 3: plaintiff's lawyers out there, you mentioned this earlier. I think

467
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Speaker 3: they're going to be recruiting some of these young people

468
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Speaker 3: who had these surgeries. They're going to be advertising for it.

469
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Speaker 3: The verdicts are going to be truly transformative. In many

470
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Speaker 3: different Red states and all of these different hospitals, you're

471
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Speaker 3: going to see a drip drip drip of hey, we're

472
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Speaker 3: not allowing this anymore. I mean, Minneapolis, it's crazy. Ben,

473
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Speaker 3: just a friend of mine, Ben Grossman, just sent me

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Speaker 3: this Children's Minnesota plans to stop prescribing puberty blockers and

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Speaker 3: hormones to minors. You're going to see that's you know,

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota, You're going to see more and more hospitals

477
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Speaker 3: just say we can't do this anymore because of the

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Speaker 3: liability risk. And again my point on this is a

479
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Speaker 3: lot of people in medicine knew this was bunk, but

480
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Speaker 3: they were so afraid of being labeled transphobic or being

481
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Speaker 3: attacked for opposing these surgeries that they didn't have the

482
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Speaker 3: courage to say it. Now, suddenly the beam counters inside

483
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Speaker 3: of these hospitals can raise their hand and say, wait

484
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Speaker 3: a minute, you know we're risking millions of dollars in

485
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Speaker 3: verdicts if we keep doing these. Look at what just

486
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Speaker 3: happened in New York. Why I think it's so significant. Well, also,

487
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Speaker 3: this comes on the heels of the other massive failure

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Speaker 3: of institutional medicine, which was the response of the AMA

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Speaker 3: and the CDC, And go down the list of the

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Speaker 3: COVID pandemic where they abandoned science in the name of politics. Yes,

491
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Speaker 3: this was a mass hysteria throughout medicine. Clay, I am

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Speaker 3: still ticked off. And by the way, I no longer

493
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Speaker 3: I I mean fired isn't the right word. But I

494
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Speaker 3: got rid of or stopped seeing my primary care doctor

495
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Speaker 3: at University of Miami Medical Center because when I moved

496
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Speaker 3: down here, I said, all I need a new primary

497
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Speaker 3: care I need to get my check up done. And

498
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Speaker 3: they were having everybody mask up. Yeah, this was a

499
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Speaker 3: couple of years ago. This wasn't This wasn't you know.

500
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Speaker 3: This is like when the pandemic's over and everyone's gotten

501
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: the bad shots that we didn't need to get and

502
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Speaker 3: the whole thing was preposterous. They're still making people mask up.

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Speaker 3: They still have mask up signs around there. I don't

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Speaker 3: trust you as a part. I don't care how smart

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Speaker 3: you are. I don't care what your IQ is. If

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Speaker 3: you were not able to figure out that the whole

507
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: masking thing was a mass Pavlovian compliance exercise, you are

508
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Speaker 3: not smart enough to make decisions about my health or

509
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Speaker 3: anyone else's. You're not brave enough. Maybe brave is the

510
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: better word. You're not brave enough to make decisions about

511
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Speaker 3: my health or anybody else's. And we've seen the same thing,

512
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Speaker 3: the lack of spine, the lack of bravery when it

513
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Speaker 3: comes to defending children against these mutilation surgeries.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll remember one of my favorite of the spineless

515
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Speaker 1: moves that we all saw during COVID was when the

516
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Speaker 1: pediatric group came out and said kids need to be

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Speaker 1: back in school. Do you remember this, The American Association

518
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Speaker 1: of Pediatric Doctors or whatever it was called. They said, oh, no, no, no, no,

519
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Speaker 1: we don't need in twenty twenty, it's more significant harm

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Speaker 1: to kids to keep them out of school than to

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Speaker 1: put them back in school during COVID. And then they

522
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Speaker 1: completely flip flopped because Trump also was in favor of

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Speaker 1: schools opening, and so they just reversed their their their

524
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Speaker 1: designation teachers' unions were saying, oh, remember, everybody's gonna die.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, there's you know, we're gonna be on

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Speaker 1: the front lines. It's basically the equivalent of being of war.

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Speaker 1: And they reversed themselves, which is a sign that they

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Speaker 1: were never about the science. They were just engaging in

529
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Speaker 1: political propaganda, and they had to make people, you know,

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Speaker 1: bend over in a way that.

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Speaker 2: They they were in favor of.

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Speaker 3: They natural immunity was. That was the biggest thing that

533
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Speaker 3: they really had no answer for. Whatsoever. Right they're making

534
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: everyone get COVID tests. I'm sorry, I know we're getting

535
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Speaker 3: in COVID thing year. But it's tied directly into the

536
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Speaker 3: madness of the gender mutilation surgeries for kids. Institutional medicine

537
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: abandoned their post, betrayed the hippocratic oath, and these institutions

538
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: should be ripped down to the studs. They should be

539
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: forced to be accountable for what happened here. Remember when

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00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, if you had gotten a virus,

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Speaker 3: it did you weren't you didn't have immunity afterwards to it,

542
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: And we would say, well, hold on, you're making me

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Speaker 3: test I test positive. I'm clear I test negative two

544
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: weeks later, I should be good. Now, No, you still

545
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: have to get.

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Speaker 2: A shot for this. Yeah, this is this is inexplicable.

547
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: This is you know, little little Fauci, the worst little

548
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: coward I've ever seen in my life, really is the

549
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: avatar for this madness and this failure. Do you think

550
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: Fauci ever spoke up on the trans surgery issue. Do

551
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: you think Fauci ever had anything to say about it?

552
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: These people are shameful And unfortunately, medicine was overtaken in

553
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: the last thirty years by a really collectivist mentality. And

554
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: there's a lot of reasons for this, and we could

555
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: get into this, but it became an incredibly conformist, over

556
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Speaker 3: eurocratized and much less. And by the way, I know

557
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Speaker 3: there are great doctors, some of my doctors, literally some

558
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Speaker 3: of my doctors listening to the show right now, and

559
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: you're amazing, so thank you. But overall there are doctors

560
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: who just became a part of this blob who no

561
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: longer realized that the whole point is to treat people clay,

562
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: and to do it not only thing by your patients,

563
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Speaker 3: not only that the entire point of science is to

564
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Speaker 3: question everything and to your point, they became the most

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Speaker 3: conformist industry almost in America, where everybody had to agree

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Speaker 3: on every single different issue, which actually is the antithesis

567
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Speaker 3: of science itself, which is questioning and continuing to advance

568
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Speaker 3: different hypotheses and theories to lead to us to the

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Speaker 3: more accurate place. And so you think they're going to

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Speaker 3: boot Peter Attia from the CBS roster. He's had a

571
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Speaker 3: rough one, speaking of the Epstein files and everything else,

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Speaker 3: he's had a rough one. I always thought he always

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Speaker 3: had some pretty good stuff to say. He was on

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Speaker 3: that Rogan podcast all the time. He was like the

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Speaker 2: Bros. Really tough to explain.

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Speaker 3: To people why you would rather be with Epstein than

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Speaker 3: in the hospital when your son, your baby son is

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one. That's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people getting caught up in the Epstein mess,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, a lot of them. In addition

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Speaker 1: to maybe you can see why a lot of people

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Speaker 1: didn't want these emails to come out. We talked about

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Speaker 1: it a great deal yesterday. But I also think it's

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Speaker 1: it's evidence of this sort of group think dynamic that

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Speaker 1: was in play there when Epstein was donating money, a

588
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Speaker 1: lot of people were willing to look away from the

589
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Speaker 1: charges against him and everything else. And the left in particular,

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Speaker 1: I think has been exposed on the Epstein situation way

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Speaker 3: wants to talk to us about this situation of the

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Speaker 3: transsurgery award in the court.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, high Clay, hi buck. This is sort of all

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Speaker 6: based on just my thoughts. But I retired from the

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Speaker 6: AR about twenty years ago, kind of just about when

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Speaker 6: You have to make a choice, and one thing about

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Speaker 6: pediatrics was fielding going into more for dedication than to

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Speaker 6: get paid well because they always were known to have

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Speaker 6: compared to surgery feels and everywhere else you can do

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Speaker 6: procedures and procedures pay Now, let me just get say,

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Speaker 6: as a pediatrician, you will give me an example. At

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Speaker 6: the very end of my career, there was a young

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Speaker 6: a Medicaid baby. He had no real previous contact with

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Speaker 6: who was two months and potentially septic. He spent four

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Speaker 6: hours spinal tap watching, getting results and deciding what to do.

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Speaker 6: It's a critical decision. You send the baby home and

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Speaker 6: make a mistake, the baby will probably die. You put

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Speaker 6: the baby in the hospital. You got to put him

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Speaker 6: on the mass of antibiotics. There's a virus or as

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Speaker 6: the bacteria. However, for the whole thing of hours, he

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Speaker 6: got paid for a spinal tap. Now, four days later,

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Speaker 6: he's at my ar. It happened the baby who was

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Speaker 6: supposed to he had arranged to see a pediatrician the

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Speaker 6: next day. They never followed up. Whether the baby got

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Speaker 6: antibiotics for four days or not, no one really knows.

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Speaker 6: But now the baby is back in the middle night

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Speaker 6: at my jar. And he happened to be the same

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Speaker 6: doctor on call from my hospital that night, and now

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Speaker 6: he's back with that baby. For spending two nights with

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Speaker 6: that baby, he probably got paid maybe about three or

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Speaker 6: four hundred dollars. A surgeon coming in doing a procedure

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Speaker 6: would have gotten thousands. Now I'm not saying it's him,

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Speaker 6: it's the whole field. And I think when this opportunity

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Speaker 6: arose to start getting big money for something new. I

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Speaker 6: think that was the t.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, I I.

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Speaker 1: I think that is important, not only for this aspect,

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Speaker 1: because Buck, the amount of cost on the surgeries is

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Speaker 1: through the roof. The data actually reflects that, unfortunately, we

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Speaker 1: are incentivizing lots of doctors to do all sorts of

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Speaker 1: unnecessary procedures that don't actually make most of us healthier,

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Speaker 1: but do pad the revenue of the hospitals and the

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Speaker 1: medical field. And you know the data, I think you

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Speaker 1: could probably eliminate seventy five percent of all medical treatments

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Speaker 1: and you would have no change in overall outcome.

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Speaker 2: That's my theory.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back in. We'll dive into more of this story. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk Tom Holman and Ice. Tom Holman

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Speaker 1: and Ice stuff for sure. He sets some important stuff

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Speaker 1: about Minneapolis. We'll get into that too coming up