1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume the Colin Cowherd Podcast, brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan. Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. All Right, everybody, and welcome 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: to the Saturday Morning Podcast. It's Colin Coward Chad Milman. 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: In a few minutes, we're gonna talk about the college 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: football Playoff, the NBA stuff, whatever. So it's time for 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: fake questions, real answers. I have a lot of questions 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: I want to answer. I just don't want to sit 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: around waiting for you to ask them, so I write 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: them down and I asked them to myself. It's called 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: fake questions, real answers. Here we go. Dear Colin, what's 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: the right number of teams in the college football Playoff? Listen, 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: the more teams you have, the more blowouts. Okay, so 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a twelve teamer, you gotta give 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: the top four a buy. So the worst matchup is 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: a five facing a twelve seed. It's not going to 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: be perfect. All the college football media does is bitch 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: about anything in college football that they don't agree with. 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: It's gonna be great, it's gonna make a fortune, it's 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: gonna be fun, it's gonna get huge ratings. But it's 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: not going to be perfect. It's not You're asking football 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: fans the week after week after week, travel in mass 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: forty thousand people. It's not going to be ideal. It's 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: not going to be perfect. But is it good for 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: college football? Yes? Is it good for the exposure of 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of programs. Probably, it won't change the power dynamic. 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Ohio State's still gonna kick Michigan State's ass nine out 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: of ten years. But the bottom line is it's good 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: for the growth of the sport. It's good for television, 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: it's good for my business. It's more big games. My 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: biggest knock on college football. There's so many bad games 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: you rarely get, you know, a Southern team facing a 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: Pac twelve team or a Big ten team facing a 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: Big twelve team. You're gonna give me more of that, 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 1: So I'm for it. The college football media is looking 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: for the perfect playoff. It doesn't exist. I've been watching 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: this sport forty years. We used to have sports writers 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: vote on the national champions Okay, it doesn't exist perfection 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: in college sports. It's not an even playing field. In 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: pro sports, the better you are, the worst draft pick. 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: They try to keep it even in college sports. The 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: better you are, the better players you get. It's not 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: built to be even. Enjoy it. Quit griping about it, 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: Dear colin. Michael Strahan called the Giant Super Bowl forty 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: two upset of the Patriots the greatest upset in football history. 48 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: Do you agree? You know it's funny about that. It 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: will go down as a big upset. But I'm gonna 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: give you a hint on why it wasn't a great 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: defensive line. Go ask Patrick Mahomes. Year almost always wins 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So the Patriots and the Giants played 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: in Week seventeen. The Patriots won thirty eight to thirty five. 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Eli Manning threw for four touchdowns, had a pick, and 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback rating of one eighteen. Brady in that game 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: had two tds, no picks, and a quarterback rating of 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: one sixteen. The quarterbacks were evenly matched. The Patriots were 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: held to forty four rushing yards on twenty six carries 59 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: in that Week seventeen game. That was their second fewest 60 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: that year in the Super Bowl, the Patriots were held 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: to forty five rushing yards. Folks, the defensive line for 62 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: the Giants, you got a preview of it in Week seventeen. 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: They couldn't run the football on him, and in both games, 64 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Eli Manning with his protection, matched Tom Brady. So the 65 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: truth of it, the overwhelming presence of the Giants defensive 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: line in both games gave you the same performance. This 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a mismatch of talent. It was a matchup advantage 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: for the Giants defensive front. The Patriots were absolutely limited 69 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: offensively in both games on what they could do. Brady 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: had little time in both. They couldn't run in either. 71 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: So it'll go down as an upset. But if you 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: really look years ago Roli Massamino when they beat Georgetown, 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: remember that everybody said, Hoya's lose to Villanova biggest upset ever. 74 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I hosted a show with Rody Massamino. He Goes. We 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: played him three times. He goes. We had ed Pinckney, 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: they had Ewing. We matched up with him great, he goes. 77 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: We played Saint John's that year twice in the Big 78 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: East and got destroyed. He goes. As a coaching staff. 79 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: We thought we could beat Georgetown three straight times. We 80 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: played him tight, he goes We've played Saint John's twice. 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: We were terrified we'd have to pay Saint John's in 82 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: a Final four or an Elite eight. So what coaches think? 83 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin knew we match up very well with the Patriots? Colin? 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: Do you get sick of talking about Tim Tebow? I mean, seriously, 85 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: isn't it enough already? I don't get sick of talking 86 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: about Tebo. I get sick of watching Tebow. He's terrible. 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: He's the worst quarterback I've ever seen, and he's a 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: two fifteen hitter in baseball. I'm not sick of talking 89 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: about him. I'm sick of watching him. I don't want 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: him in the NFL to be the fourth best tight 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: end on one of the worst teams. Can we stop 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: the charade that he's a great athlete? He ran a 93 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: four eight forty, folks. I run a four to seven 94 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: nine in high school. Tebow's iconic. He's not a very 95 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: good athlete. I mean, he's a good athlete compared to sportscasters, 96 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: don't I don't get tired of criticizing him. I get 97 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: tired of people forcing me to watch him play minor 98 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: league baseball, and he can't hit an NFL football because 99 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: he can't throw calling. If the NFL rules committee let 100 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: you change one rule today, and only one rule, what 101 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: would it be? Well by rule, A fumble that goes 102 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: out of bounds through a defensive team's end zone is 103 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: a touchback and the defensive team gets the ball. Isn't 104 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: that a little punitive? I'm a running back, you get 105 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: a good help moment on the ball, it squirts out. 106 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: I would understand moving the ball back to the twenty, 107 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: But why do I give up the ball if you 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: didn't recover it? Now? They started that rule years ago 109 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: because of the fumble Ruski the Raiders Chargers game where 110 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: Kenny Stabler kind of forward pass. They fumbled it, pushed 111 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: it into the end zone, and they wanted to avoid 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: teams purposely fumbling. I get that, but I shouldn't lose possession. 113 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: If you park illegally, you get a parking ticket, you 114 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: don't go to federal prison. Doesn't that seem a tad punitive? 115 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: You lose possession of the ball. Everybody understand there's two 116 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: fumbles three fumbles every game. It happens. Colin, who's your 117 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: favorite non sports personality on TV, radio or podcasts, etc. 118 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: That's an easy one, Bill Maher. He takes on big 119 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: topics as a liberal. He's willing to go on conservative shows. 120 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: He's willing to fight for what he cares about. My 121 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: biggest knock on Democrats is they don't want to wrestle. 122 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow just brings on people who agree with her 123 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: on every topic. She never has a dissenting voice. Bill 124 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Maher brings on dissenting voices all the time. Nobody grows 125 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: if you just bring on people who fulfill your echo 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: chamber conservatives. Historically, Fox News will put on liberals. Now 127 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: they may shout them down and yell at them, but 128 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: they'll put them on MSNBC. It's just a chorus. It's 129 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: a factory line of agreement. And one of the few 130 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: people willing to get in an ugly argument on TV 131 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: or podcasts is Bill Maher, and I completely respect them. 132 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: Let's bring on Chad Milman, chief content officer of the 133 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Action Network, so college football reporters. You know, there's a reason, 134 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: Milman that people get tired of the media because they're 135 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: cynical and all I read for the last two days 136 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: is college football writers vetching about the playoff, and I'm like, 137 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but it's gonna be great. It's what 138 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: everybody wants. It's more betting opportunities, it's more big games. 139 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: College football has a big game problem. We never get 140 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: enough big games because the Southern teams won't travel on 141 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: the road. Big twelve team and Pac twelve teams don't 142 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: want to go to the South. And all I do 143 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: is read all these guys complaining. I look at the 144 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: twelve team playoff and I'm like, college football has always 145 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: been imperfect. You know. Pro sports tries to keep it 146 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: balanced by if you're good, you get bad draft picks, 147 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: right like college sports is the opposite. The more dynamic 148 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: you are, the better recruits you get. It's really totally unfair. 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: The budgets are unfair, the geography is unfair. There's more 150 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: good high school football players in the South. I love 151 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: the idea. Do you believe it will surpass March Madness 152 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: as the second biggest betting event in sports after the 153 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? I don't think so. I like the premise 154 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: of what you're saying. I love that you used Yiddish 155 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: to describe how reporters were responding, they were great, great 156 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: use of the word. I think that all of a sudden, January, 157 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: which was already a big betting event as a month, 158 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: because you've got NFL playoffs, you've got a little college basketball, 159 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: you've got an NBA, and you've got the college football 160 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: playoff at least the title game, if not always the 161 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: playing games. Now you're going to have multiple playoff games 162 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: for the NFL playoff games and playing game for college football. 163 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: January itself starts to shape up as a massive, massive 164 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: betting opportunity. I was out with some of those media 165 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: folks in the city last night. The first thing anyone 166 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: mentioned to me was college football playoff January, NFL playoffs January. 167 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: The betting opportunities have exploded for that month. Do you 168 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: when it comes a college football and we can talk 169 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: gambling or ratings, it's about a quarter as popular in 170 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: television as the NFL. It'll get a five rating for 171 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: an NFL game that would get us an eighteen or 172 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: a nineteen. It's about one quarter as popular, I would 173 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: imagine from a gambling perspective, it's not even close to 174 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: the NFL, or is it it's closer than you think. 175 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: Because the volume of games, and because you just made 176 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: a really good point, teams in the South won't travel. 177 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot it's hard to find sort of balance 178 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: in the way that college football manages parody. But the 179 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: people who do bet it is very regionalized and it 180 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: is very very passionate. We at Action Network and a 181 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: lot of the sportsbook operators, you know, our partners from 182 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: Volume at FanDuel. They can't wait for Louisiana to go 183 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: online as a betting state this fall. Betting in the 184 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: South is massive, and so you're getting that opportunity. You're 185 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: getting betting in the West in LA. People who love 186 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: Arizona right, Arizona football, Arizona State football. They will be 187 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: legal in Arizona this fall. So it is very regionalized 188 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: and the markets in those regions can be incredibly incredibly active. Yeah, 189 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: so I'm excited for I do laugh at the idea. 190 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: I got a lot of this yesterday because I said 191 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: the SEC is going to continue dominating. They have the 192 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: most great high school football players and their geographic footprint, 193 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: and people said no, Now, the exposure will be so 194 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: good for everybody to that, I said, when you have 195 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: the shark tank. Exposures only good if your product's good. 196 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: If you're bringing out a crappy product and they poke 197 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: holes in it, you look like a schmuck. So the 198 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: American Idol was great unless you're saying like William Hung 199 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: and then you were a joke like. Exposure only matters 200 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: when you're ready for the stage. So if Alabama rolls 201 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: you forty eight to three, that doesn't do you any 202 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: good in recruiting. When I moved. When I went to 203 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: ESPN my first year, Chatt will never forget this. They 204 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: did a promo about college football and they said, the 205 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Florida Gators from Tallahassee take on the Seminoles from Gainesville. 206 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: Why because nobody in the building new college football. They 207 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: only televised about seventy five games a year. By the 208 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: time I left ESPN, they televised five hundred. What does 209 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: that mean. It means everybody's had exposure for ten years, 210 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: and it's still the big dogs dominating. It's not like 211 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: they're getting less exposure. The truth is, if you put 212 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: two beautiful people, both get exposure, the more beautiful still 213 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: curries the most favor. So Ohio State and Wisconsin. They 214 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: both get exposure. All the great players still want to 215 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: go to Ohio State. Kids aren't stupid. They see who 216 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: goes in the first round of the NFL Draft. I 217 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: don't think it changes any dynamic, any power dynamic from 218 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: the haves and haves not do you not a chance. 219 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: But it is an SEC and now a little bit 220 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: acc dominated sport that's not going to change. That is 221 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: endemic to the region, That is endemic to the quality 222 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: of the players in those states. It is how they 223 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: emphasize and it's what's important, and a lot of it, 224 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: I also think is about whether right you know, it's 225 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: it's becoming easier to play football year round in states 226 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: where it is warmer, they change the offenses. There are 227 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: more athletes gravitating to those sports in those regions than 228 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: there are in the Northeast, which has never been a 229 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: college football power. Then there are in the Midwest, where 230 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: it's still only Ohio State, maybe Penn State every once 231 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: in a while, but they've got to be recruiting. You 232 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: see Indiana even this year jumped in to the conversation 233 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: around college football. It is a terrible football school. I 234 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: went there. I love it to death. The only reason 235 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: it's getting better is because they're recruiting the sort of 236 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: second and third tier players from Florida who aren't getting 237 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: to the bigger schools. It's like, and if all you're 238 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: going to be doing to get better is recruiting the 239 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: second and third tier players from the Florida schools the 240 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: Georgia schools, then you're never going to be as good 241 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: as the first year players who are going because look 242 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: at this, think about this camp. For years, for years, 243 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: there would be these studies about the number of draft 244 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: picks who were five star recruits, right, And for years 245 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: it was, well, this guy wasn't a five star. This 246 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: guy wasn't a five star because Alabama is so dominant, 247 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: because LSU is so dominant, the trend is changing and 248 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the five star recruits are also 249 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: the number one draft picks because they are getting so 250 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: much better in college and it's very concentrated. It's a 251 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: fascinating way to look at it. But I don't see 252 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: the expansion getting better for Arizona or Indiana. Yeah, I mean, listen, 253 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: Wisconsin's on TV seven times a year. Now it'll be eight. 254 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. They kids don't want to play in 255 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: freezing weather in the middle of October. Yeah, it's listen. 256 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: They're part of the expansion of the South. And you 257 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: can go back to the fifty sixties whenever they invented 258 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: air conditioning. Is that factory workers. Until air conditioning, Arizona 259 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: wasn't very big. You know. Air conditioning is why people 260 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: could go live in the South or in Arizona. Right, 261 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: what's the same premise, Like people would rather live in 262 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: warm weather, play in warm weather, vacation in warm weather. 263 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: So if you look when I was growing up as 264 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: a kid, the college football powers were cold weather Penn State, 265 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: cold weather, Michigan, cold weather Notre Dame cold weather, Washington, 266 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: cold weather, Nebraska, cold weather Michigan. Those were the powers. 267 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: And then there was like Alabama, Oklahoma. What happened? Then 268 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: everybody gets their games on TV and the kids in 269 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: warm weather schools go, we don't have to go to 270 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: cold weather. The only cold weather college football power that 271 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: remains top five is Ohio State. That's it why because 272 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: when given the choice, Americans choose warm weather. Even cold 273 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: weather people when they get old and aren't tied to 274 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: a job in cold weather move to warm weather. One 275 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: of the people that works with me at the Action Network. 276 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: His name is Chris Raybond. He's one of our lead 277 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: NFL analysts. He was born and raised in New York City. 278 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: He went to Syracuse. After Syracuse, he went back to 279 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: New York City. His girlfriend got a job in LA. 280 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: He just moved to LA last week. I said, how's 281 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: it going so far? He goes, it's amazing. I go, 282 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: you will never move back to the East Coast again. 283 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: And he is as hardcore New York as it gets. 284 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: He will never ever move back to the East Coast again. 285 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: You are you are never a sort of dive in 286 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: the wool East Coaster. I mean you are coming from 287 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: the state of Washington. You sort of gradually moved your 288 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: way east as your career got bigger. And then we're 289 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: living in Bristol. You're in LA. The chances of you, 290 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: no matter what you do with the rest of your life, 291 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: the chances of you leaving LA are zero. Nobody leaves 292 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: the West Coast when they go to the west coasts. 293 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Said this, If you can make money out west, there's 294 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: no reason to leave. If you make money out east, 295 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: half the people would still choose the West. That's the 296 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: quality of life. The way when I hear about all 297 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: these tax gypsies. If you want to go live in 298 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: Seattle and be under grace guys ten months a year, 299 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: I grew up there, go for it. If you want 300 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: to live in New Hampshire or Wyoming, go for it. 301 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not. I got nothing against Texas, but 302 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: Dallas boards that meet a tears and it's a furnace 303 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: in the summer. The reality with college football fans, to 304 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: circle back is whereas in the NFL, the team chooses you, 305 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: in college football, the player chooses the team. And there 306 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: if every college football program in America had their best 307 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: coach ever, Joe Paterno still wouldn't beat Nick Saban Right now, 308 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: Florida with Urban Meyer would still beat Michigan and Bosham Beckler. 309 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: The truth is, I love the Washington Huskies, but when 310 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: USC had Pete Carroll, it would beat the Washington Huskies. 311 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: When warm weather powers get the right coach, they win. 312 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: To my point earlier, I can't believe you didn't say 313 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: Nick Saban would still beat Lee Corso at Indiana, because 314 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: that's really the matchup I was thinking about. But you're 315 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, and to your earlier point when 316 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: you started talking about people think that more teams in 317 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: the playoff will increase exposure for college football teams and 318 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: then give the opportunity to places like Wisconsin, or let's 319 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: say it's a Washington on a more consistent basis, or 320 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: Oregon outside of the Chip Kelly era, give them more 321 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: of an opportunity because more students will get to see 322 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: them and go play there. It's recruiting is not even 323 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: about exposure. It's about the coaches. 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I know somebody's listening to this 359 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: podcast from the Northwest and they're like, Colin, you trader. 360 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: It's like, I love going back to the Northwest in 361 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: the summer. It matters. It matters for everybody you know 362 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: years ago. One other thing though, Collins to think about 363 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: what is valued if you want to be a professional 364 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: football player, which anybody being recruited for Cogs Football wants 365 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: to be from an offensive perspective, is your ability to 366 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: pass the ball, your ability to catch the ball, your 367 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: ability to run in space. That is predominant in the 368 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Southeast and it's predominant in the West. You are not 369 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: going to get that in the Northeast. You are not 370 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: going to get that in the Midwest. Justin Fields is 371 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: an anomaly in that case. He is the exception to 372 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: the rule there. So that also has a massive mass 373 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: effector on it. And it's how high school offensive are 374 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: being played. They're all being opened up a lot more 375 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: seven and seven. There's a lot more sort of spread 376 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: offenses being played in the regions where there's their funnels 377 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: for those schools, which then become better feeder schools for 378 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, NBA Bucks are going to lose. I'll 379 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: still take the Clippers on probably wrong Atlanta Philly. I 380 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: don't care a ton my big bet with Sons over 381 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: the Nuggets. And I said yesterday Friday on the Herd 382 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: on FS one and iHeartRadio, I said, if I had 383 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: to rease see this thing, I would take Sons against 384 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: Brooklyn in the final. That's what it feels like to me. 385 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: I thought the Sons was the best bet a week 386 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: ago when the stuff all shook out. Kind of you 387 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: your takeaway from a betting perspective to a casual better 388 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: that looks at what's available. Is there any gem left 389 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: for you that you really like now? Because now we're 390 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: two games in. You and I had a conversation last week. 391 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: You said you liked the Bucks. I said, if you 392 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: liked the Bucks, wait until after game because we want 393 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: to be better and because you really want to see 394 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: what's going to happen in that first game. The Bucks 395 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: have been dreadful and I don't know what it is 396 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: to me if they don't win this series. You got 397 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: to get rid of coach Bud and completely reimagine what 398 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: that team is. Because they went for broke, they got 399 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: through Holiday, they got Chris Middleton in space, They've improved 400 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: their shooting, and yet they only scored eighty six points 401 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: in a win, which is how many they scored when 402 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: they were blown out by thirty two nights earlier. So 403 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: this team is definitely in trouble. The Clippers are so 404 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: interesting to me. I had the Clippers in the Bucks 405 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: in the finals before the playoffs, and I really believe 406 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: that the Clippers, with Toronto lou and the way they 407 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: had been playing late in the year before they were 408 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: tanking to tank for playoffs eating I just thought this 409 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: is really a special team and they would bring it together. 410 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: It's just so passionless, and it's like I love Kauwhai 411 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: as a player, and I think it's amazing to watch, 412 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: but when he's playing, I'm just so disappointed and how 413 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like they play with passion and urgency. 414 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: And Utah to me, has been a revelation, and we 415 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: talked about this too. You tah At the top of 416 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: the seeds. They were the best team in the NBA, 417 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: not just the Western Conference, the best team in the NBA. 418 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: They're playing like it. Everybody is trying to find reasons 419 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: how to bet them. They are playing like it. I 420 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: think they will beat the Suns in the Western Conference finals. 421 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: Now they're just better. I think the Clippers are a 422 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: better team than the Nuggets, and the Jazz are out 423 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: playing a much better team than the Suns are. So 424 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: can I give you one of my theories on Kawhi 425 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: Leonard Yes? So, years ago, over a decade ago, a 426 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: professor did a study un luck. So he sought a 427 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: hundred people who thought they were lucky and one hundred 428 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: people who thought they were unlucky. And after finding them, 429 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: he went out and however you find those people. He 430 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: did a study for a year and what he determined 431 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: the common thread was the lucky people were extroverts and 432 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: the unlucky people were introverts. That if you talk in 433 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: the bank line, the grocery store line, the gas station line, 434 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: if you're verbal and social, you'll get breaks. Oh my 435 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: cousin knows somebody that does that. Let me take your number. 436 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: That social, verbal extroverts. They party more, they socialize more, 437 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: they connect more. They're human linkedins. It's not luck. They 438 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: manufacture through social connections. Breaks. Introverted people can often be 439 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: very successful, but it's always harder. They don't get those breaks, 440 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: those communication incentivized moments, they don't happen. So you can 441 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: be successful, it's harder. The Clippers are nonverbal because their 442 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: star is nonverbal. That is why the Clippers everything is 443 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: always hard. You look at them and think, this is 444 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: a second year in a row. Why are they so 445 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: bad in clutch situations? Their best you become your best player. 446 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: Their best player doesn't talk. He is an introvert. Introverted 447 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: people don't communicate, so they can succeed, but it's always 448 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: a struggle. It never looks easy for them. They had 449 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: to go seven with the Mavericks. They should have won 450 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: both the last two games. So this is my theory. 451 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: When your star is nonverbal, you can win. Nobody's saying 452 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: you can't. But he and he to the Spurs in Toronto. 453 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: He entered very communicative systems, the Raptors and the Spurs. 454 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: When you build it around Kawai, he's nonverbal and so 455 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: therefore doc was very verbal and they didn't connect, so 456 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: and Doc was worried about this. Last year, Doc told 457 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: me in a podcast, I knew we were in trouble. 458 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: We weren't good latent games, we had no chemistry. So 459 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: if Kauai is your number one star, you can win, 460 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: but it'll always be harder. That's I gotta say. That 461 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: is brilliant and I hadn't thought of it that way, 462 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot to unback here. Number One, 463 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: I believe in the extrovert theory with all my heart, 464 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: because I also believe extroverts not always, but I believe 465 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: they are generally optimistic, positive people. You have to be 466 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: in order to put yourself out there, to want to 467 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: put yourself out there. When I became editor in chief 468 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: of ESPN the magazine and we moved from New York 469 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: to Bristol, seventy percent of the staff did not come 470 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: with us, so we had to hire all new people. 471 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: And we had to do this in the middle of 472 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: still having to put out the magazine. It's not like 473 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: we can take two months off, right, So we had 474 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: to change the wheels on the truck as the truck 475 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: was moving, and part of the reason they moved us 476 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: to Bristol was to be more connected to the Bristol infrastructure, 477 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: try to have ideas, try to get people to know 478 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: us more, etc. My mantra for the team I said 479 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: this every day, say yes, be nice. That's it. Opportunities 480 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: are going to come. People don't know us, people think 481 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: where this individual entity that's in New York that probably 482 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: had an attitude. Now we're in Bristol. We're gonna say yes, 483 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna be nice. We're going to people are going 484 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 1: to make our space here in Bristol and prove how 485 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: we can be good partners in influence. That's about being extrovert, right, 486 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: That is about creating positivity, being optimistic, and finding ways 487 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: in which you can connect with people. One hundred percent 488 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: absolutely believe in that. The second part is do you 489 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: think if you are an extrovert you automatically have to 490 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: be optimistic? Because Kobe Bryant, very vocal, very much an extrovert, 491 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: not positive in the way he conveys his criticism. An 492 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: incredible teacher. Michael Jordan different than Kobe because he was 493 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: just mean. I think Kobe was constructive, but not necessarily 494 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: the most optimistic positive when they are conveying their lesson. Okay, 495 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: so I'll push back on Kobe. Kobe's a loaner. Kobe 496 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: is viewed as communicative he was when the light was on, 497 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: But Phil Jackson is communicative, Shack is very social. Kobe 498 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: was the loaner, so Kobe was not always the easiest 499 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: player to play with. Similarly, Michael Jordan got so big 500 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: he became a little bit of a loaner later in 501 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: his career. He was great when the cameras run, but 502 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: mostly hid his last eight years in the league. He 503 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: couldn't go to a restaurant. So Kobe and Michael may 504 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: be viewed as, Oh, they're very very they're really by 505 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: the end, Kobe was always a loaner. We think of 506 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: him because he was so damned smart and good with 507 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: the media. As social, he wasn't. He had very few friends, 508 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: very tight circle. Derek Fisher was one of his few friends, 509 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: may have been his only close friend of them, like 510 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: your team. Similarly, Michael Jordan, I mean, Michael Jordan to 511 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: this day has about three close friends and they're all 512 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: down in Charlotte with him. Yeah, but here's the thing, 513 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking only about the court, only in the way 514 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: they communicate leadership. You are a preter naturally positive guy. 515 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: When you talk about the stuff you are working on, 516 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: no matter what's happening, you talk about it from a 517 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: very positive point of view. Jordan and Kobe when they 518 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: would give instruction to their teammates, and they were incredibly 519 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: hard on their teammates, incredibly critical, and had incredibly high 520 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: expectations forget about everything else and how they lived their lives. 521 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: They were extroverts. They were loud, they were aggressive, they 522 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: weren't optimistic extroverts, they weren't positive with their reinforcement, but 523 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: they were extroverts. To me, I think, I think it 524 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: supports what you're saying about Kauai. He's not negatively an 525 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: extrovert in which he is trying to make the team better. 526 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: He's not communicating anything, And so you have to guess 527 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: with introverts, are they mad at me? Are they in 528 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: a good mood? You? Nobody knows. Nobody knows where Kauai is. 529 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: He had his own trainer, he was showing up late 530 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: to practice, He bought a damn house a two hour 531 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: drive from the facility. He I just think if he's 532 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: the face of your franchise, chemistry will always be a problem. 533 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: You know that it is. I was telling I got 534 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: into this discussion. I'm going to say it's with Mark 535 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: Cuban on an email, but it's not. It was somebody, 536 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: a very successful person, and I said, in generally, when 537 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm around really successful people, I talk less and I 538 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: listen more. But I threw this out there to somebody 539 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: in the last year. I said, there's no one thing 540 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: that makes somebody professionally rich. I said, but let me 541 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: throw a you know, an idea at you. It's hard 542 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: to get super wealthy and be cynical because business is 543 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: so hard. You have to be an optimist. That's why 544 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: most media people aren't real rich. They're cynics that to 545 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: be successful in business, you're constantly overcoming, You're constantly pivoting. 546 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: You can't go down a dark hole. You have to 547 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: see the light in every roadblock, because the whole game 548 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: of business is, you know, the action network. You're just 549 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: changing every three months. So if you talk yourself, you 550 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: have to talk yourself into stuff, not talk yourself out 551 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: of stuff. To be truly wealthy over time, you have 552 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: to be an optimist. You have to believe there's an answer. 553 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: To the latest problem. Well, look, you're preaching my personal 554 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: life theory that I talked to my kids about all 555 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: the time. I also couldn't agree with you more. And 556 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: what's been fascinating I before I left ESPN for the 557 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: Action Network when we eached it, you know, my experience 558 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: was largely as someone who was writing books as a 559 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: member of the media and executive at ESPN. When I 560 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: would come in contact with people who were in business, 561 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: it was you know, I wasn't emailing with Mark Cuban 562 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: or like having dinner with Elon Musk. It was like 563 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: I'd meet someone at a conference and we'd hang out 564 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: and become friends. But the exposure I had to people 565 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: in business from many different formats, whether they were investors 566 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: or where they were running big media operations or big 567 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: gambling operations, you expect people in those positions to be 568 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: potentially challenging personalities. I've yet to meet a more than 569 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: a handful of people who are nothing but optimistic, nothing 570 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: but positive, nothing but thinking about what are the solutions 571 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: that we can come to together. And maybe that's the 572 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: perspective of Okay, we're meeting you, We're trying to have 573 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: a conversation about a potential partnership. But in social situations, 574 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: I just find that the more optimistic and positive someone 575 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: is also tends to go in line with potentially the 576 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: amount of power and influence they have in whatever position 577 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: they're in. Yeah, lubricate, don't agitate. As a message to 578 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: my kids all the time, lubricator room, lubricate, a long 579 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: drive in a car. Be positive. Just you can lubricate 580 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: society or you can agitate people. And nobody wants to 581 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: hang around. I have a somebody I know in the media, 582 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: not well, very very smart, and I thought about his 583 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: name came up as a somebody we could hire at 584 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: FS one in the first year, and I said, he's 585 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: a bad hang. Nobody wants to hang with him. He's 586 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: a bad hang. And and that's a real thing, by 587 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: the way, and this is not a shot. Do you 588 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: know how many ESPN people have applied to at Fox 589 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: Sports in the last five years and I mean fifty 590 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of the biggest stars. And one of 591 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: the reasons is ESPN is no longer a good place 592 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: to hang out. Fox is a fun place to hang out. 593 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: That matters a lot. Like people, listen, life's anxiety filled enough. 594 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: You want to go to work and laugh. You also 595 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: want to go to a place where if the worst 596 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: case scenario, like say a pandemic, happens, and you need 597 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: to figure out how to manage your business, how to 598 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: manage your life, and how to communicate with people on 599 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: your team, so not everybody is nervous for what their 600 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: future holds. You want to do with people that you 601 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: know aren't going to panic. And I tend to think 602 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: that people who are optimistic will be thoughtful and try 603 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: to see all the angles, and people who are pestimic 604 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: are going to be like the sky is falling. Cut everything. 605 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: We need to conserve this very second. And I say 606 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: to my kids, you know, they're teenagers, so they can 607 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: be assholes all the time, right, And I will say 608 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: to them, guys, it's twenty twenty one. Meanness is out, 609 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: kindness is in. And then they will look at me 610 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: like I'm a loser, and then they'll leave the room. Yeah. 611 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: I tell my ex wife this from time to time. 612 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: Once you've done well in life, you can't fake your 613 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: kids out like they know you've done well. Right, Yeah, 614 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: And I said, our challenges with our kids are different 615 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: than our parents' challenges with us. Our challenge because my 616 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: theory is once you have crown molding and granite countertops, 617 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: you're fucked as a parent. The kids have no aspiration, 618 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: so our challenge is to inspire them and give them 619 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: opportunities because they are going to grow up more comfortable 620 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: than we did. My parents challenge was I didn't get 621 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: run over by car bicycling to school because I couldn't 622 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: afford a car, Like keeping me alive. Mine's not keeping 623 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: my kids alive. It's keeping my kids inspired. And that 624 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: things don't come easy because the life is easier. We 625 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: do or dash a lot. I didn't. We would go out, 626 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,479 Speaker 1: and when I was a kid a sort of god, 627 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: we'd go out once a month max, to a restaurant. 628 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: Now society has obviously changed, more people need out, but 629 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: it's like, that's one of the great joys of my 630 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: life now is eating out. People say, well, you have 631 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: a hobby, and I'm like, cocktails and dinner with my 632 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: wife is a great part of my life that I 633 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: could give up almost anything, except that I was thinking 634 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: all day today. It's a Friday afternoon, It's one of 635 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: the few perfectly beautiful days in Connecticut, and I'm like 636 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: later today, it's gonna be nice out. My kids aren't 637 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: going to be around. I know, they're gonna be out 638 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: with friends. My wife and I we're gonna sit in 639 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: the backyard, gonna have a drink, maybe order in, and 640 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lovely evening. Do you still where 641 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: you live and live exactly where I live, the middle 642 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: of West Hartford, Connecticut. Yeah, I like, you know, I 643 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: actually liked my time there. I got tired at the end. 644 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: The winners beat me up a little bit. But I 645 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: will tell you this, I think small towns, you know, 646 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: sixty thousand people that are close to bigger cities, are 647 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: the best places in America to live. I really do. 648 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: I agree it's getting and it's getting much more crowded now. 649 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: The real estate prices in central Connecticut are insane because 650 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: the pandemic is allowing so many people who were in 651 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: Boston and New York to work remotely, maybe going one 652 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: or two days a week at the most, So they're 653 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: all moving further out where the real estate is a 654 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: little bit cheaper. The schools are really good, and it's 655 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: actually jacking prices up, which is why I got people 656 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: jackhammering in the front of my house because we're doing 657 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: renovations because maybe we'll sell this place. Isn't it interesting 658 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 1: how every time we go through a full fledged crisis 659 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: in America, when we come out of it, regular relations 660 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: have been formed, legislation has been created that we're stronger, 661 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: Like post nine to eleven, airport security is significantly better, 662 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: and the crap you used to be able to take 663 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: on a plane is now embarrassing post pandemic. It's opened 664 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: up this world where people get more freedoms, they can 665 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: work from home, they save on gas, they save on parking. 666 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: Like the media, I think has to do a better 667 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: job of being less hyperbolic in these national once a 668 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: decade crises. We always come out of it smarter, smarter legislated, 669 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: smarter regulated. I look at right now the world. I mean, 670 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: we've got an inflation concern on the market, but from 671 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: the cryptocurrency to the tech advancements, America has such a strong, 672 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: durable economy. It's so multifaceted. I'm not saying we won't 673 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: face recessions, but I could see us living in a 674 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: world of brief, rolling recessions where we don't go as 675 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: deep because we have so many industries. One of them 676 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: is bound to be ticking up. As we have an economy. 677 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: It's almost like Vegas. The casinos are bad. The economy 678 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: is bad. In California. We haven't had a recession in 679 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: a long time. Tourism, agriculture, entertainment, space exploration. You know, 680 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: if it was all theme parks, our economy would be 681 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: up and down, like an Oklahoma where it's oil and energy. 682 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: So Oklahoma's economy is up and down. America's economy now 683 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: is so vast and multifaceted that and a lot of 684 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: this has been expedited. I think because of the pandemic. 685 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: We were forced to use tools that we I mean, zoom, 686 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: we were going to use it eventually. When you force 687 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: fed it to us, we all went hell, so wait, 688 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,479 Speaker 1: a better life. Yeah. There's a lot of great books 689 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: out there about this, about the transition and transformation that happened, 690 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, thirties, forties, fifties, when people came back from 691 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: the war, when office work became part of the general culture, 692 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: When we transition from being a manufacturing based economy to 693 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: being a banking based economy to being an information technology 694 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: based economy, and all of that. When you are doing 695 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: that and you're not solely relying on manufacturing, which is 696 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: a lot of what happened prior to the depression. Then 697 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the dips and valleys, like obviously 698 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: we've had them in the seventies, we had them in 699 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: the eighties, we had them in the nineties, we had 700 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: them in the two thousands. But it's not the same 701 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,439 Speaker 1: level of catastrophe as sort of it might once have been. 702 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: And we saw it Zoom, Peloton, gambling stocks, certain finance stocks, 703 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: forget crypto, forget about like the meme stocks, the AMCs 704 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: or whatever. The game stops stocks with real fundamentals like 705 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: Zoom that we're talking about. Yeah, two thousand and eight, 706 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: we had a catastrophe, but it was sparked by criminal activity, 707 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: which was I guess that's probably unavoidable, so we could 708 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: face something like that. I mean, that's there's a reason 709 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: we have regulations. We're not good unregulated. We are not 710 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: as a species. We have to be regulated, all right, Hid, 711 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, this is good stuff. All right, buddy, 712 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: all right, brother you too. I'll talk to you later. See. Yeah, alright, 713 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: my Action Network better the week Clippers minus four and 714 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: a half game three in Los Angeles. I'll take them 715 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: to beat the jazz rather comfortably. Donovan Mitchell can't remain 716 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: that hot. Thanks for listening to Chad Millman. Follow us 717 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: at the Volume of Sports on Twitter, Instagram, rate review, subscribe. 718 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb joins me Sunday talking hoop. See you, then 719 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: the Volume