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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So

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Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is.

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Speaker 2: On the air.

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Speaker 1: On Friday.

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Speaker 3: The fellow named Michael Foolweber posted to Twitter he got

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Speaker 3: life in prison. And I don't have the tweet in

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Speaker 3: front of me, but I'm sure, pretty sure it was

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Speaker 3: just that five word tweet. I knew what it meant,

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Speaker 3: but I wonder how many others did.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: I suppose a bittersweet moment. Murder, most foul, awful, A

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Speaker 3: life cut short by the choice of another human being,

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Speaker 3: an accident that's tough, that's tough to swallow. But the

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Speaker 3: wilful choosing of the taking of a life that's maddening.

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Speaker 3: And I don't mean angering, I mean make you crazy.

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Speaker 3: Michael Fullwell, Michael fool Weber is our guest. Michael, welcome

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Speaker 3: to the program.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Michael. I appreciate you having me on this morning.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with the premise. I know the circumstances

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Speaker 3: because you and I have been communicating for a little while.

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Speaker 3: But let's start with the let's set the scene for

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Speaker 3: people who know nothing, if you would explain the whole situation,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll take it from there through the court

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Speaker 3: proceedings all the way up to the sentence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, it's a very unfortunate situation. You know,

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Speaker 4: Cameron was a guy that I went to high school with.

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Speaker 4: He was a few years older than me. But about

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Speaker 4: you know, we rekindled our friendship, became great friends. You know,

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Speaker 4: we barbecue, we did everything together. In fact, he worked

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Speaker 4: my lead tech. And you know, I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 4: He's always had anger issues, but I would I would

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Speaker 4: argue somewhat controllable, and you know, one day he just

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Speaker 4: snapped and ended up stabbing a canine police dog, Nate,

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Speaker 4: who Nate has a huge following. Now, went to jail,

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Speaker 4: was released on a very low bond, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we had people at our house at Saturday night. He

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Speaker 4: Saturday night. We were saying, do not let him out,

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Speaker 4: but Cameron was you know, it's his son. So you know,

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Speaker 4: got him out on a very low bond and next thing,

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Speaker 4: you know, Cameron's missing. We can't find him. Ryan's missing.

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Speaker 4: He missed his court date, and you know a few

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Speaker 4: and long to hold life in prison. So that's a

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Speaker 4: thirty thousand foot view. We can go a lot deeper, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's dig into that shocking. So when Ryan Smith,

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Speaker 3: who is the man who's been given a life sentence,

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Speaker 3: stabbing the CA nine and he was given a low bond,

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Speaker 3: what actually happened in the case where the K nine

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Speaker 4: So what happened Ryan? He was not acting right and

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Speaker 4: police tried to arrest him or at least get a

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Speaker 4: mental evaluation on him that Friday, and unfortunately, the you know,

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Speaker 4: So now the police are looking for him. And then

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Speaker 4: he tried to carjack a doctor out of Chicago I

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Speaker 4: Police are on him. He ended up jumping from one

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Speaker 4: as they got down to the ground level, I heard

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Speaker 4: And how the cops did not shoot him as beyond me.

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Speaker 4: But that's initially what started and triggered everything on this

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Speaker 3: My friend Matt Bryce at Federal American Grill hosted a

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Speaker 3: And you sponsor a dog. I think it's thirty five

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Speaker 3: and you get to a quote unquote adopt a dog

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Speaker 3: photos those guys I've talked to it. My brother had

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Speaker 3: Drug and cadaver dog. You know, she can't be a

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Speaker 3: they didn't blast this guy if he's stabbing this dog.

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Speaker 3: it goes before Josh Hill, Judge Josh Hill, and he

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Speaker 3: gives a very low bond. Do you know what the

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't remember, but you know, let's assume

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Speaker 4: I don't know what is a bond. You come up

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Speaker 3: Okay, so probably a fifty thousand dollar yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you would think so. But you know, attempted murder

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Speaker 4: on let's call it a police officer. That's way too low.

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Speaker 3: No, I I one hundred percent agree. And we've got

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Speaker 3: that's a very very dangerous, volatile situation. That guy does

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Speaker 3: ends up at his father's house. Who's your next door neighbor.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that he was there at the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Cam was at my house and he said, look,

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Speaker 4: I'm bringing Ryan home. Apparently they went to you know,

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Speaker 4: This was Sunday, and you know, Ryan supposedly went upstairs,

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Speaker 4: again for what's called an EDI, oh warrant. I don't

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Speaker 4: And so it must have been about ten o'clock. They

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Speaker 4: And we're talking to them and and Cameron's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Hold hold up, hold up their money. You know, these

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Speaker 3: Mental health problems and the police having it's every day

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Speaker 5: Make Macoberry show.

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Speaker 6: In mask, in dispose, in disguise.

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Speaker 1: Is no way rules businesses.

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Speaker 3: When I was running for City council and serving on

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe the drugs are the problem.

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Speaker 3: questionable as that is, as a solution. You're talking about

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Speaker 4: So him being released I thought was premature, just because

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Speaker 3: I guess Judge Josh Hill is following orders. So then

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Speaker 4: So that was Sunday night. I stayed up to moving

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Speaker 1: Quite a sordid affair.

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Speaker 4: We had multiple conversations. He called me in jail and

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Speaker 3: Let me rewind for a moment, Michael. This guy worked

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Speaker 1: How long did he work for you that, you know?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, but Jackson passed on

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Speaker 4: That's right. And then I sent you an email that

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Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing this story. There's there's no happy

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Speaker 6: There's no way out, and you're listening to this thes

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Speaker 7: Michael Berry, Governor.

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Speaker 8: You previously oppose an assault weapons ban, but it's only

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Speaker 7: Why.

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Speaker 2: I've become friends with school shooters.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: There, I become friends with school shooters. There, i become

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: There, I've become friends with school shooters. There, I become

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Speaker 7: There.

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Speaker 2: I've become friends with school shooters. There, I've become friends

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Speaker 1: It's coming out.

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Speaker 3: As the vice presidentidential candidate for Kamala Harris. He was

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Speaker 3: But Tim Watson has kind of enjoying the moment. He's

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Speaker 1: Hollo over here.

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Speaker 3: He's loving this. He said last week that if he's

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Speaker 3: asked to run for president, he he will run for president.

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Speaker 1: He just will.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: In the last couple of weeks, here's what he's been

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Speaker 3: up to. First, he said he celebrates when Tesla's stock

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Speaker 3: value declines. Tesla is now the automobile with the most parts.

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Speaker 1: Made in America.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying it's General Motors, Forward or Dodge,

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Speaker 3: it's not. But it is an American company. And even

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Speaker 3: though I'm a Chevy man, I don't relish any company,

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Speaker 3: American company with American workers and American investors suffering.

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Speaker 1: But he does, saying on.

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Speaker 9: My phone, I don't some of you know this on

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Speaker 9: the iPhone. They've got that little stock app. I added

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Speaker 9: Tesla tode to give me a little boost during.

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Speaker 7: The day two twenty five and dropping.

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Speaker 9: So if you own one, if you own one, we're

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Speaker 9: not blaming you.

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Speaker 2: You can you can take dental.

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Speaker 9: Floss and pull the Tesla thing off, you know, and

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Speaker 9: take out of just telling you.

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Speaker 3: Well, then it turns out that his state's pension fund

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Speaker 3: owns Tesla's stock, so you're rooting for the stock to

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Speaker 3: go down, which hurts your state's pension fund.

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Speaker 1: So he had to crawl fish.

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Speaker 9: This guy bugs me in a way that is probably unhealthy.

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Speaker 7: And but but.

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Speaker 9: I I have to be careful about being a smart ass.

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Speaker 9: I was making a joke. These people have no sense

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Speaker 9: of humor. They are the most literal people, most little people.

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Speaker 9: But but my point was they're all mad and I,

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Speaker 9: you know, said something I didn't you know, probably shouldn't

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Speaker 9: have about a company. He is agree, agreed, So I

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Speaker 9: make the case.

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Speaker 4: I make the case.

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Speaker 9: They're all they're all butt hurt about the Tesla thing,

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Speaker 9: but they don't care the disrespect they have shown to

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Speaker 9: employees at the Minneapolis VA who care for our veterans

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Speaker 9: and they fire them.

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Speaker 4: They don't care.

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Speaker 9: So we will have the conversation about efficiency and government

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Speaker 9: and about doing that. But none of us believe for

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Speaker 9: a second they're thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we fired everybody that's dealing with the BOLA.

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Speaker 9: And then he went into the Oval office wearing a hat.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear any Then he goes on

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Speaker 3: to Gavin Newsom's podcast where he says he's going to

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Speaker 3: kick the asses of Republicans.

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Speaker 1: He's going to fist fight Republicans.

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Speaker 4: You got to respect people you disagree with, even you

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Speaker 4: can't just dismiss people this.

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Speaker 7: Well, this notion geck most of their ass.

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Speaker 9: I do. I know if I can run them, But

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Speaker 9: I don't know if we're going to fall into that

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Speaker 9: place where we want to Okay.

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Speaker 3: We change so then so then he he didn't count

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Speaker 3: on former WWE superstar Glenn Jacobs, answering.

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Speaker 8: The call Glenn Jacobs the Knox County mayor and folks,

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Speaker 8: he knows the thing of two about wrestling. In the

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Speaker 8: WWE twenty seven years he wrestled as Cain, the Undertaker's brother,

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Speaker 8: and he is a WWE Hall of Famer. Jacob's posting

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Speaker 8: this saying everyone is always asking me if I have

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Speaker 8: one last match left. I think I've found my final victim,

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Speaker 8: I mean opponent. The mayor of Knox County, Glenn Jacobs,

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Speaker 8: joins us now here on news Line. Great to see you,

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Speaker 8: Mayor Jacobs.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 8: You know, I think Newsom was really uncomfortable. I don't

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Speaker 8: know Tim Waltz his aspirations for twenty twenty eight. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he had trouble even shooting a gun and now he

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Speaker 8: wants to take on a cage match.

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Speaker 5: Is he for real?

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Speaker 4: I know he's not for real, and that's the issue.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a memo that's gone out among the

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Speaker 5: Democrat party that we have to appear tough, and we

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Speaker 5: have to appear mask.

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Speaker 3: Cain would go on to say that he challenges Waltz

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Speaker 3: if he wants the match, and we were just thinking

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Speaker 3: what the promo would sound like.

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Speaker 10: Oh right, folks, if you're just joining us, we have

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Speaker 10: some huge news. WWE superstar and Hall of Famer Kane

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Speaker 10: has just challenged Minnesota Governor Tim Walls to a match

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Speaker 10: at WrestleMania in what will be the final of his career.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's right, we're talking WrestleMania. But wood Walls even

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Speaker 5: want to show face here? Would he show up?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 10: You know that music, Harry comes, it's all Timmy Wall.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe it. I absolutely have seen it all.

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Speaker 5: Here he comes in his think ones. He grinning here

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Speaker 5: to here, blushing like a little schoolgirl. Oh, I don't

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Speaker 5: believe it, man, I don't believe it. Play this Timmy

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Speaker 5: has no regard for man Kite because he's waving his

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Speaker 5: jazz hands through the crowd, fall away.

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Speaker 1: To the ring.

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Speaker 10: It's raining now, Well let's send it on down to

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Speaker 10: the ring and see what old Timmy Walls has to

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Speaker 10: say for himself.

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Speaker 1: Go, oh, that's a longer walkome you think?

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Speaker 11: All right, Caine, you said you wouldn't hear from me.

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Speaker 11: Well I'm right here, buckaroo, and I accept your little challenge,

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Speaker 11: and you're gonna rude the day because let me tell

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Speaker 11: you something, mister, you don't want to mess with this

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Speaker 11: old ball coach, just as my former players they'll tell

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Speaker 11: you roll that beautiful thing, foot.

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Speaker 1: Man coach walts.

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Speaker 4: If we weren't hitting the whole hard, and I mean

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Speaker 4: hitting that whole hard,