WEBVTT - Trained by a Hound Dog with Ed Vance 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.000 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:08.039 you by Lacrosse Boots. So here's what Lacrosse has recently done. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:12.000 They've taken their one hundred plus years of experience to 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.560 create a new line of lace up hunting boots called 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:20.360 the Navigator Series. Now, the Navigator Series comes in two options, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.840 the Atlas for men and the wind Rows for both 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.200 men and women. Now, if you want to find out 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.319 more about their high quality, awesome boots, you need to 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:39.800 go to Lacrosse Footwear dot com. My name is Clay Nucleman. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.400 I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.240 also be your host into the world of hunting the 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:53.280 icon of North American wilderness bear. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.080 but will also bring you into some of the wildest 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:04.679 country on the planet Chasing them m This is the 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.760 third podcast in our Hound series and this is a 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.319 very unique podcast because we traveled all the way out 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:17.280 to Posey, California to meet with my now friend Advance 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.840 Ed wrote a book called Trained by Hound Dog and 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.039 it's an incredible story about his life as a lion 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.880 and bear hunter in southern California. Nevada, Utah, and Montana. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.600 I'd like to ask you for a favor, and that 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.080 is to go and check out Ed's book. 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This 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.000 is the stuff that we've used, and I use it 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.280 every time I bait and every time I start a bait. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.639 So check out our friends at Northwood's Bear Products dot Net. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:23.200 Now onto Posey, California to Advances Home. The green Horn 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.279 Mountains of southern California look like a steep, rolling savannah 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.520 of grass and trees, many of which are some type 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.680 of small oak. The mountains go up over seven thousand feet, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:40.280 many as steep as a cow space. For this property, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.880 I call it lions and bears all over everything, all 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.520 of all of this stuff that you can see. Add 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.240 points to a bear hide hanging on the wall of 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.280 his home. And that was one of the toughest bears 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.480 that I ever got my dogs after. I mean I 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.640 had others they were just as bad. Because there's right 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.640 here I'm gonna explain to you, and I'm gonna show 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.680 you where it started, where it went to, and where 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.480 it ended it come right here at this house. Advance 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.400 is seventy eight years old, and he hunted these mountains 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.680 for lions and bear in a twenty five year stretch 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.599 from the nineteen sixties through the nineteen eighties. Today he 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.760 can see much of his favorite hunting ground from the 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.719 incredible view from his home. But I want to explain, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.479 I want to show you. We're gonna walk over here. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.839 We'll have to walk around a little bit in order 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.839 for you to do to take in all of what 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.320 I'm gonna show you. Because Ed is a gifted craftsman 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.440 with wood, brick and stone. His home he built himself. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.320 It's a mix of a timber framed bungalow style Western 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:53.279 log cabin, ornate with saddles worn cowboy hats, bear hides 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.080 in a mounted mountain lion killed before the hunting band 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.640 in California. It's clear to see that Ed is meticulate, 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.080 master of everything that he takes on, and at one 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.240 period in his life his entire focus was hunting lions 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:13.400 and bears with hounds. This particular bear that I got 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:18.960 out after it was in Uh I mentioned in the book. Um. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.680 I started him in October and it was just at 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.960 the crack of dawn, and I had I couldn't find 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.200 a bear by driving roads, so I got uh. I 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.839 had two hunters with me, and uh, so we stopped, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.599 and I says, I want to walk up a canyon 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.160 and see if I can get a bear started up there. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.039 And I'm gonna show you where this is at. You 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.760 see this bridge right in front of us. So you 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.840 see a lone tree standing up there, all by myself. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.359 From that tree, if you went straight down into the canyon, 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.680 you see the ridge on the other side, straight down 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:57.120 into the bottom. That's where they started this bear. I 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.119 went up there and then and they struck this bear 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.599 h and this ridge. You can see where that lone 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.160 tree stand and you can see the ridge that it's on, 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.560 and that ridge follows and keeps going. And then he 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.320 gets right up to a point they pulled him out 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.240 of that canon. He came out of that canyon, crossed 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.280 onto this side of that ridge, and he skirted that 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:21.159 ridge almost on the top all the way around. And 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.840 then where you can see that one high point, he 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.840 turned and he went to the opposite side of it. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.760 Now there was no roads to speak of it, so 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:34.160 I was following him on foot hmm. By the time 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.680 I got to there, I could hear those dogs. It 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.599 was placed called Portuguese Pass, and Portuguese Pass is the 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.440 furthest ridge that you can see as far as you 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.599 can see, and he's just about to go over, and 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.839 I thought, if he goes over that, so there's a 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.960 big valley in between that it's called bull Run Basin. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.320 The other side is called bull Run Basin. I was 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.960 north of that high point that we're talking about, which 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.160 is from right where that point is out to where 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.479 it started. Yeah, it's only like maybe three miles through 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.880 the air, but we weren't going through the air. We 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.920 were going on ground, and it's different. It's different. So 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.760 I got around to the other side of that and 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.320 I heard those dogs headed towards Portuguese Pass. I had 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.560 five dogs on it, I recall, and they were really 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:28.720 hammering that thing. And I was suspicious of what bear 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.320 this was, because I I didn't know at the time, 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.400 but I called him two other times and let him go, 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.880 and he was a non treable bear. You're gonna bay 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.480 him out. That was it. So as far as you 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.560 can see, they just he just about got over that 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.880 far ridge and they were then he was he was 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.760 moving and and these dogs were hitting it as hard 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.840 as they could, and that he is like extremely steep 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.960 and rough. And then I lost hearing of them. Now 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.560 we're gonna have to walk to another spot. Well, we're 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:07.200 gonna want to show you where this thing ended up at. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.520 In the meantime I had to. I had these two 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.680 guys that where I was. I had him here on 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:21.000 a bear hunt, and they were waiting for me at 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.280 my pickup. I had a CB radio and the pick up. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.440 Walk up on this little dog here a little bit. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:34.200 I can show you a little bit further. Get right 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:40.040 up there in that opening it if it's shinna nice 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.760 to be living in a spot where I can take 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.640 and look at places like this and say, well I 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.200 know what had happened because I was there and it 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:52.440 did happen. Now we look straight ahead of us, and 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.080 we can see him rounded mountain and on this side 0:08:55.080 --> 0:09:01.079 has been burned. And I mentioned to you that at 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.360 the transition between the trees that have been burned, which 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.400 were lower as the ones above, those dogs were on 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 that side. You keep in mind, they started over here, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.679 they went around that point, and when they did that, 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.599 I lost him I had no idea where they were. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.800 I was no I was. I was up on this 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:30.120 from where you started swoops down Portugue passes in there. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.400 I was up in that area someplace, and I could 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.960 hear my dogs going down on that hillside, which is 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.720 several miles from there too, and I could hear him 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.960 for several miles and then they disappeared. So I came 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:50.200 down through all of that. And it's late in the afternoon. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.960 I'll keep in mind this started or about six in 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.560 the morning, late in the afternoon, which would be about 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.120 I'm gonna say about three o'clock. I crossed this road 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.280 right here, the road that I'm living on, but I 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.680 was about four miles up. When ED got to the road, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.839 he cranked on the CBE radio and heard the voice 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.560 of a good friend that he didn't even know was 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.040 in the area. Asked me, He says, let me come 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.560 and get you. And I said, do you have you 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.079 heard my dogs? And he said, yes, your dogs the 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.080 last I heard. And he says, your dogs are done 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.440 on White River by the campground. Now I'm gonna show 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.760 you what White River Campground is. That he wanted to 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.400 come and pick me up, and I said, no, I 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.240 want to just go across the country. I'm just gonna 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.160 keep it's all downhill, and I can travel pretty fast 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.280 going downhill. And uh, as long as I know that 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.200 that's where they're at and anything. From this time, you've 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:54.320 already traveled twelve fourteen miles close to that through through 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.440 air miles, and so you're going down in these steep 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.640 valleys and ravines and up mountains. Yeah, because where the 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.359 bear was started was at the five thousand foot elevation 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.160 in Portuguee Passes seven thousand. So they almost got he 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.800 almost had. You had to. You had to lose elevation 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.199 and gaining yes, yes, back and forth, back and forth. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.360 The road. If you look right down in the bottom 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.680 the canon, you see a dirt road down there. And 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.960 when I got there, those dogs. White River was about 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.640 five miles from there to the north, and those dogs 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:32.840 and they were coming this to the south, about halfway 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.199 between that ridge that you're looking at in the bottom 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.760 of the canyon, which is about a thousand foot drop 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.080 in elevation below where I was at, and he started 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:49.640 he started skirting going this way. He's going southwest. I 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.120 followed that ridge and knowing that if he gets on 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.040 this side of it, I'm just gonna lose. Those doctors 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.760 are gonna go down and nothing but private land, and 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:03.160 I can't get into that stuff. So not halfway between 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.440 these two points, which is gonna be about a half 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.719 three quarters of a mile, he was getting close to 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.640 crossing over, and I got to where I could drop down, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.199 and I came head on onto him and we walked 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.320 right into each other. When he saw me, he spun 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.520 and I had this. They weren't behind him, they were 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.760 all right alongside of it. They're right on and yeah, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.440 I got Mike shot at him, and I was almost 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.400 at the bottom between those two ridges. In fact, there's 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.480 some ranchers said they was listening to the whole thing, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.520 and I shot and killed him right there. So how 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.839 many miles it is, I don't know, but I do 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.520 know this. I had twenty minutes to get the hide 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.840 off of him, and it was gonna be dark. I 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.600 don't have a clue how many miles that is. It 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.720 has to be in straight line air miles, fifteen air miles. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.640 But we're talking about starting to five thousand foot in 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.880 the elevation, going up and down until you get to 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.280 seven thousand foot and then going up and down until 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.760 you drop down to buy elevation. And that's what it 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:15.079 took to stop that whole race. That's an incredible feed 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.160 for the dog, has been an incredible feat for a man. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.160 This bear is the only bear hide that Ed still 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.600 has in his home. Ed wrote an incredible book that 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.000 you're gonna hear about inside of this podcast that tells 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.160 many of the stories and tales of his twenty five 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:40.719 years of hunting California, Utah, Nevada, and Montana with a 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:50.960 pack of hounds. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.240 We Are This is gonna be a really neat episode. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.040 I'm in the home of a man that's become a 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.320 friend of mine today really um, but I feel like 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.360 i've I feel like I know you after I read 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.560 your book. But I'm in the home of of Ed 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.480 and Lynette Advance and we're in Posey, California, which Ed, 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.360 I would not have known where Posey, California was until 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.200 I learned that you lived here. But it's an incredible 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:27.320 and beautiful place just south of the Sierra Nevadas, or 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.920 we're in the southern Sierra Nevadas. Is that on the 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.200 southern southern tip of the Sierra Nevadas, in a mountain 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:39.600 range known as the Greenhorn Mountains, and uh Sekoyan National 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:45.480 Forest and Sequoya National Monument is um right on these 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:50.200 Greenhorn Mountains. UM, a place that a lot of people 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:55.000 really don't know about. In fact, there's people that, um, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.480 we've met that live in the valley, the San Joaquin Valley. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.120 They've never even gone up into these mountains and they 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:06.240 have no idea what's up here. Um. Well, this morning 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.160 we started off in I mean we were in Los Angeles, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:15.600 Los Angeles, California. Seven seven h seven lane going one way, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.680 seven lane traffic going the other. And we drove two 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:23.240 and a half hours. And I mean we're twenty miles 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.280 from a gas station. I mean we're more than that. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.440 We're in really you're forty miles away from the gas station. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.000 The only thing that um, the closest little town is 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.280 a town called Glenville. It's in Current County. We're until 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.880 Larry County, and um, there's not much difference between the 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.120 two counties actually, but um in Posey, all that we 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.960 have in Posey as the post office for somebody who 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.240 doesn't or did not know much about California. California is 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.160 an incredible state for wildlife and and and really has 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.520 an incredibly rich history and hunting and and that's why 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:05.080 I'm here is uh so Ed wrote a book called 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.080 Trained by a hound Dog. The book was released back 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:14.200 in November. And the book is is basically a collection 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:19.359 of stories about Ed's life as a as a houndsman, 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:24.479 hunting mountain lions and bears in these mountains right here 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.240 where we're at. And uh. And so that's what I 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.800 want to talk to you about today, is I want 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.600 to I want people to get a feel for for 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.880 your history and hound hunting and and uh. And in 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.440 doing that, we're gonna talk about the book. And and 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.640 we just did a I didn't know Ed, wouldn't have 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.800 known Ed, but several months ago it was probably Lynette 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.240 that contacted me just through Bare Hunting magazine and said, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.560 I'd like to send you a book that my husband wrote. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.800 And I said, well sure. And I get a lot 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.360 of books, and I really do a lot of people. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.400 A lot of people write books, and I read a 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.920 lot of books, and uh, when I read this book, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.320 it I could tell that the voice of this writer 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.280 was someone special. I really did. And uh and I 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.480 as I as I read the book, I thought, man, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.280 I'd like to I'd like to meet that guy. And 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:22.280 uh and and it just so happened that our family 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.560 was coming to California, And so I looked up where Posey, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.840 California was, because that's on your Trained by Hound Dog website, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.840 and it was just a couple of hours out of 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.000 where we were. And so you graciously said, yeah, come 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.200 onto the house, fed us lunch, and here we are. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.400 I've got my whole family here and uh and we're 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.679 here with you and and and so anyway, thank you 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.320 for hosting. Welcome. We're sure happy to have you here. Um. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.920 I hope that this will turn into a um a 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:56.199 long term friendship, and I'm sure I will. You know, 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.320 I wanted to say something about these mountains here. Um hm. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.600 During the during the years of the Bounty for Mountain 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.800 Lions and a lot of people have no idea of this, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.160 there was a there was a California state line under 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:16.720 that lived here and his name was Howard Builton. And 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.439 I wish that I'd have known Howard. He died just 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.800 about the same time that I started hunting these mountains. 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.040 But had he been alive when I was doing this, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.560 that guy that had a hard time getting rid of me, 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.600 I'm sure that. But I was really surprised when I 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.159 moved here and talked to guys that had hound dogs 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:42.200 that there was hardly anybody other than the long time 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.720 residences that even knew that this guy even existed here. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.879 But he did, and and like to say, he was 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.360 a full time line uner for the state of California, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.359 and uh, I think he was. I checked his record, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:05.320 and in his final years of as a state lion enter, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.440 he was actually killing about fifteen lions a year, which 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.920 you know, that's quite a few, actually, and that's some places, 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.720 you know that the where you have snow all the 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.280 time to catch your lions. Fifteen lions might not sound 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.840 like a whole lot to some of those people, but 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:30.239 here it was predominantly bare ground trailing. And uh so 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.480 you couldn't just go and roam around these seals looking 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.719 for a line track in the snow because it just 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:40.680 wasn't it wasn't there. And so the dogs that they 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.760 used had to be pretty good quality dogs. The hunters 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:49.720 had to be totally dedicated, and uh that's what I 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.639 found in this part of the country. I've seen some 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.160 places it was pretty easy to catch lions as compared 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:03.000 to others. When I was in Montana, it was definitely 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.119 one of the easiest places because it's it's like it's 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.520 snowed almost every day and every time that she'd find 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.879 a line track is just about counting on. It was 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.639 one very old, you know, but that and then the 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.199 bear population in in this part of the country is 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.679 um really good. It's far better than people would have 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:32.320 thought it was. Um. The entire Sierrara Mountain Range has 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.399 been and and the Coast Range both have been noted 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.119 forever for having the a lot of a lot of 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.560 bears um and a lot of large bears to go 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.199 with it. And the reasons for that was basically because 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:52.199 the winners were short, growing seasons were long, and there 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.440 was either oak trees or oak brush that's covering all 0:20:54.440 --> 0:21:00.679 these hills and uh, those happened to produce acorns, and 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.880 acorns bears love them and they get fat on them. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:10.240 So so it's it was an area that very unique. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.240 But at the same time, a lot of people in 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.560 this part of the country, they say that they use 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:22.520 a term that posey California was Tillarry County's best kept 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.440 secret because nobody seemed to know where it was at. 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.679 And in fact, even at the county seat, we've had 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.639 to talk to people out of the building department and 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.439 some of them didn't even know where we were and 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:40.840 we're in their county. But anyways, no, it's it's a 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:45.680 beautiful place. Um. Four seasons, Winner is the shortest, Summer 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.680 is the longest, and a lot of beautiful scenery to 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.240 go with it. Ed, give us a give us a 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.560 kind of a run through of your well, just let 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.280 me let me just start off with this, when did 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.760 you start hunting with hound and how did you get 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.800 into it? And why? Because you didn't grow up in 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.560 a family that had hounds. I mean that was when 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.719 I first started reading the book that caught my attention 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.640 because a lot of time, most of the time, somebody 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.639 that's in hounds is introduced to it or there's some 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.200 pretty close connection to them that was able to get 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.000 them in. But it's almost like you started running hounds 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:26.520 just this was your own. Yeah, you know, I always 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.159 as a kid, I grew up in a suburb for 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.119 the town by the name of Glendale in California. And 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.399 in those days, of course, the population wasn't what it 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:41.879 was today. And I kind of like the act like 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.480 I was hunting him, because if it right from our house, 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.280 you just go off in the hills, they're just covered 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.560 with brush, and uh just kind of make believe, you know. 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.479 But over time I drifted away from that, and then 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.400 I found myself working in an assembly plant for Chevrolet 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.399 in Van Eys, California. Yeah, and directly across the line 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.639 from me was a a guy by the name of 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:10.960 Sherwood Barrett, and uh he was from Georgia, and and 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.879 sure what he he was a Mormon, and he told me, 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.800 he says that he left Georgia and he's on his 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.119 way to Salt Lake City and because he wanted to 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.199 live there, but he had to get go someplace and 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:26.159 earn some money in the process. And so he was 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:30.080 I was putting gas lines, gasoline lines on these cards 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.640 as they passed, if fifty something an hour, and so 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:35.960 we'd get a few moments every now and then to visit. 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.240 And he started telling me about chasing these hound dogs 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:46.320 in the Oki Pinocchi Swamp in Georgia, and uh, it 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.399 really caught my interests. I mean, it really did. And 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:57.119 they're on ragged coons. Yeah, and uh so, anyways, he 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.520 teld me these stories about this what he was doing, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:05.919 and it just really got my interest, and so I 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:07.960 asked him, I said, Sherwood, where would you Where do 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.679 you go to buy these dogs? And he told me, 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.680 says he could have like outdoor Life. They had these 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.920 guys advertising him. I didn't know at the time that 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.679 most of those guys were selling dogs. Nobody wanted, you know, 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.359 and people like myself and buy him because I didn't 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.640 know what I was buying in the first place. So anyways, 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.000 I started with that and what was your intention? Was 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:34.440 your intention to run? I just wanted I like dogs, 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.280 and I liked the idea of hunting and as honey 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.840 with dogs, dounding it good. So you would have been 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.320 in your early twenties probably at this time I was. 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.639 I was just I just wanted some hunting dogs. I 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.160 was like twenty years old, and nobody in my family 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.760 it had never even heard of it. And so I 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.680 ordered a dog from him, and I got a red 0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:02.600 bone hound and us nice looking dog actually called him Buck. 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.639 He seemed to know his name. So I got this 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:10.679 dog and I didn't know where to go hunting, so 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.040