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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and

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Speaker 1: Sitting next to me, as usual, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember how to do this anymore. I don't

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Speaker 1: That's why. Yep. And one of these days somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: something that we've chatted about in previous episodes as well. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's actually my favorite word, right, convergence. So We've used

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Speaker 1: the word convergence has very has several meanings, but from

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