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Speaker 2: The Rams stay alive. They beat the Niners twelve six
Speaker 2: in a thriller. The Rams are now eight and six.
Speaker 2: The Niners you can say goodbye to them. They're six
Speaker 2: and eight. If I would have said to you in August, hey,
Speaker 2: the Niners aren't going to make the playoffs. And oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, Bill Belichick's going to be coaching North
Speaker 2: Carolina football, which one would have been more far fetched. Yes, Marvin, No, No,
Speaker 2: the Niners aren't going to make the playoffs. B Yes,
Speaker 2: pretty incredible. It feels like every year we do this
Speaker 2: where I say, hey, if I would have told you
Speaker 2: this four months ago, five months ago, what would you
Speaker 2: have said. You would have said, Bill Belichick's not going
Speaker 2: to coach in college, and if he is, it's not
Speaker 2: going to be North Carolina and the Niners. They seem
Speaker 2: like the safest bet in the NFC coming off the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Now we knew that the Hackers were still
Speaker 2: going to be formidable, the Eagles, the Lions as well,
Speaker 2: but the Niners, well, it started out bad. You start
Speaker 2: out with Krista McCaffrey not able to play, and they
Speaker 2: never got in sync and then you're watching last night. Now,
Speaker 2: granted it was in a downpour, but these are two
Speaker 2: teams that you expect to score and twelve six the final.
Speaker 2: You start to look at this with the NFC West,
Speaker 2: Rams are dangerous. We've been saying it the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. With that offense, they are dangerous. And also
Speaker 2: I was looking at the Eagles and the Lions defensive
Speaker 2: numbers and in particular their secondaries. Their secondaries aren't great.
Speaker 2: Now Philadelphia's got a young secondary. The Lions give up
Speaker 2: a lot of yards passing yards. And here's a Rams
Speaker 2: team that for the most part can put up big numbers.
Speaker 2: But now they have new life at eight and six.
Speaker 2: You have Stafford who can still sling the ball. Kyron
Speaker 2: Williams has over a thing yards this season. You got
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup, Puka Nakua, you got Sean McVay. This is
Speaker 2: the kindest team that can knock one of these guys out,
Speaker 2: can knock Detroit out, can knock Philadelphia out Green Bay
Speaker 2: just because of the offense here. Now it might come
Speaker 2: down to just how good is their defense, But offensively
Speaker 2: you expect them to put up points. Certainly when you
Speaker 2: get into the postseason, and you look at the Niners,
Speaker 2: and this is how the window closes. It's closing, it
Speaker 2: might be closed, and now you got to pay rock Perty.
Speaker 2: This kind of reminds me, without the Super Bowl Trophy,
Speaker 2: of what happened with Seattle. Seattle kept everybody together, kept
Speaker 2: that defense together, you know, because Russ was on a
Speaker 2: rookie contract. Well then you have to pay Russ. Then
Speaker 2: you got to get rid of players, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the artist formerly known as the Legion
Speaker 2: of Boom was done. Just like that, you have that
Speaker 2: with San Francisco. They paid top dollar for Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: Brandon Nayuk, Deebo, Samuel Trent Williams, Bosa Warner, and now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you've got a quarterback who is
Speaker 2: I guess rightfully so going to be asking for at
Speaker 2: least fifty million dollars a year. The window closes, you know,
Speaker 2: unless you do sort of come on in and play
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes like Kansas City has done. They've done
Speaker 2: a lot of mixing and matching and done an unbelievable jump.
Speaker 2: But there are very few organizations that are that good
Speaker 2: to go come on in, maybe you're only here for
Speaker 2: a year, got a chance to play in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: maybe a Super Bowl with San Francisco. Is Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 2: ever going to be the artist formerly known as Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: What about Deebo? He gets banged up? Trent Williams? How
Speaker 2: much time does he have left on that Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame body? So you do have these big question marks here,
Speaker 2: and I think the window closed. I think their chance
Speaker 2: of making the playoffs is like, I don't know, zero
Speaker 2: point one percent something like that. Do we have the
Speaker 2: official yes, PAULI.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Last night, if they won the game, it was
Speaker 3: eleven percent. When they lost the game, is down to
Speaker 3: point three percent.
Speaker 2: Point three percent. I'm saying there's a chance, there is
Speaker 2: a chance. It's not no chance, it's low chance. All right?
Speaker 2: Are we playing no chance? Chance right now?
Speaker 1: Right out of the gate? No chance?
Speaker 3: Low chance?
Speaker 2: Okay? Does anybody hold out hope that the Niners can
Speaker 2: somehow get into the postseason, even Niners apologist Marvin anything's
Speaker 2: possible except this.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're getting it. I think it's over.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at the schedule. The Rams will be
Speaker 2: at the Jets, Cardinals, will be at the Rams, Seahawks
Speaker 2: at the Rams to close the season. So I like
Speaker 2: their chance. But you're also looking at the NFC playoff picture.
Speaker 2: You got Lions, Eagles, Seahawks, Buccaneers, Vikings, Packers, Commanders. You
Speaker 2: know that you're going to have two teams in the
Speaker 2: NFC North who are one of those is taken the
Speaker 2: wild card. Maybe they're the two wild cards you're going
Speaker 2: to have out of the NFC North. You know, if
Speaker 2: the Vikings finished second, they're going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Packers are nine and four, Seahawks if they win the division,
Speaker 2: they're eight and five Buccaneers right now in the NFC South, Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 3: The Niners are six and eight. They would need the Commanders, Rams,
Speaker 3: Falcons and Cardinals to lose out to have a chance
Speaker 3: at the tiebreaker.
Speaker 2: The Seahawks at eight and five. They host the Packers
Speaker 2: Sunday night, they host the Vikings at the Bears at
Speaker 2: the Rams, so the Rams once again at the Jets
Speaker 2: host the Cardinals host the Seahawks, likely to decide the division.
Speaker 2: But the Rams, if they're in, it feels like they're
Speaker 2: going to knock somebody down. Just feels that way all right, Seeton.
Speaker 2: Let's poll question first hour.
Speaker 3: Let's see first hour.
Speaker 4: If you are Brock Party, you want every dime you
Speaker 4: can get or cap space.
Speaker 2: I might have to have. If you're Brock Party's agent,
Speaker 2: do you want to have all the money you can
Speaker 2: get or do you want to take a team friendly deal?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think the agent wants to take anything
Speaker 4: team friendly, but the quarterback who's on the field might
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 2: But your job as an agent is to put your
Speaker 2: client in the best position. He knows that his client
Speaker 2: needs talent around him to bring out his talent. He's
Speaker 2: not a guy who is going to lead the team.
Speaker 2: He's not a you know, standalone guy. Uh, you know.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have the abilities to be able to
Speaker 2: do that. But it's kind of hard to say, Hey, Rock,
Speaker 2: what about what about forty five million a year? How
Speaker 2: about maybe forty five we get to fifty. Well, what
Speaker 2: does Brock have currently in the bank? Probably not much
Speaker 2: relatively speaking. Yeah, not much to be in a starting
Speaker 2: quarterback for an NFC Super Bowl contending team. Oh oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, let's go salbery.
Speaker 3: Salary.
Speaker 5: Salary, salary, salary, salary.
Speaker 2: Come on, Mormon, set up.
Speaker 3: Salary he excuse to play it.
Speaker 2: The way that it like whips back in. He goes like,
Speaker 2: all right, rock Party, how much money has he made
Speaker 2: so far?
Speaker 3: You're gonna go first in?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're switching it out.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, three seasons in Rock Party, including this season.
Speaker 3: How much has he earned on the field?
Speaker 2: Four million dollars, Marvin.
Speaker 3: Five point five million dollars. Seaton two million dollars, it's all.
Speaker 2: Five point one million dollars.
Speaker 3: Seat is the closest two point eight million dollars. Yikes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a big increase if you went
Speaker 2: from what is he making this year?
Speaker 3: Nine and eighty five thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: Okay, so nine hundred eighty five thousand. Let's say he
Speaker 2: gets to forty five million.
Speaker 3: That equals about a little less than three million per game.
Speaker 2: No, but what is the percentage increase?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you might be asking the wrong guy.
Speaker 2: Well, I definitely don't know it. I don't know, Todd.
Speaker 2: Were you good at math?
Speaker 6: I was good at maths? I would but underline it
Speaker 6: was I used to be very good at math. I
Speaker 6: have to see if they can crunch some numbers.
Speaker 2: How do you not get or stay good at math
Speaker 2: when you're doing it all the time.
Speaker 6: You have homework assignments, and you're studying for tests, and
Speaker 6: then you stay good with it, and then then it
Speaker 6: all goes away once you don't have to worry about
Speaker 6: that anymore.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I have forty five million dollars a year,
Speaker 4: is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, that would put him
Speaker 4: right now according to this, somewhere around Patrick Mahomes, kirk cousin,
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford is at forty, Derek Carr is
Speaker 4: at thirty seven point five.
Speaker 2: Okay, could you say to rock perty, hey, you're kind
Speaker 2: of making what Patrick Mahomes makes. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it'll work. Do I want to pay him fifty million dollars?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. When everybody is healthy, when everybody's
Speaker 2: playing well, he has proven to be a very very
Speaker 2: good quarterback. But when everybody is not healthy, or you know,
Speaker 2: Debo's not being great, you don't have McCaffrey. How much
Speaker 2: longer does Trent Williams want to play? I mean, is
Speaker 2: your best receiver a guy who got shot six weeks ago,
Speaker 2: Ricky Pearson Kittle? How long is he going to be
Speaker 2: at a elite level? If he even is right now, yes, Bowen.
Speaker 3: If Purdy goes from nine hundred and eighty five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars to forty five million a year, that's a five
Speaker 3: thousand percent race.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine? Yes, I'm looking for a three to
Speaker 3: four percent.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'd like a five hundred percent, five thousand percent.
Speaker 2: I should say five thousand. The preseason Super Bowl odds
Speaker 2: were it was Kansas City, followed by the Niners. Those
Speaker 2: were the two favorites by far and away. Then it
Speaker 2: went Lions, Ravens, Eagles, Bengals, Texans, Packers, Buffalo Bills, and
Speaker 2: then the Dallas Cowboys for clicks. Cowboys and the Jets
Speaker 2: had the same odds to start the year, but it
Speaker 2: was Kansas City plus five hundred, San Francisco plus six
Speaker 2: p twenty. Then it's the Lions at plus one thousand,
Speaker 2: followed by the Ravens.
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Speaker 2: Seth Wickersham of the Mothership and he joins us now
Speaker 2: after a very very detailed column talking about Bill Belichick
Speaker 2: and going to Carolina. I would have told you six
Speaker 2: months ago, Bill is going to coach again, and it's
Speaker 2: going to be college. You would have said what.
Speaker 7: I would have said, I'm not coming on your show
Speaker 7: because that's ridiculous. Yeah, good to see you. I think
Speaker 7: this is really interesting. And we've all been wondering, like,
Speaker 7: you know what, where he would land. Right because he
Speaker 7: made clear to everybody that he was coaching, he was
Speaker 7: going to coach in twenty fifteen or twenty twenty five,
Speaker 7: no matter what the situations, he was going to coach.
Speaker 7: Everyone assumed he would be the NFL. And each week
Speaker 7: since the start of the NFL season, he and his
Speaker 7: former Patriots assistants, a cluster of them, all of whom
Speaker 7: are not working right now, would get on zooms and
Speaker 7: go through every game, every team, every situation, every roster move,
Speaker 7: contract scheme trend, the type of like football deep dives
Speaker 7: that only they could do, and it was all about
Speaker 7: the NFL. The subtext of it all was what teams
Speaker 7: are going to have openings, what teams might consider Bill,
Speaker 7: and what teams would Bill like to work for. And
Speaker 7: then about halfway through the season, some of that shifted
Speaker 7: and college teams added onto it where he wanted to
Speaker 7: dissect certain programs, study certain schools. And I think that
Speaker 7: when you look at the frequency with which he visited
Speaker 7: colleges this season, and then the fact that North Carolina
Speaker 7: really really wants him, it's been a while since he's
Speaker 7: probably felt wanted to coach football, I think that's why.
Speaker 7: Then this makes makes it a good to fit. But man,
Speaker 7: it was I was definitely surprised by it.
Speaker 2: Okay, is he running from the NFL or running to
Speaker 2: North Carolina?
Speaker 7: Great question. I think a little bit of both. It's
Speaker 7: unclear whether he would have gotten a job this year.
Speaker 7: They went through all the scenarios in terms of what
Speaker 7: they thought he might be able to get. And remember
Speaker 7: a lot of this is kind of a weird aside,
Speaker 7: but a lot of the back channel communication that owners
Speaker 7: might have with reps or camps with protect with prospective
Speaker 7: coaches has really dried up because of the Brian Flores lawsuit,
Speaker 7: which is now in its second year. It's still ongoing
Speaker 7: his discrimination lawsuit. So no owner really wants to get
Speaker 7: caught telling a coach that he's the guy. So let's
Speaker 7: look at some of the situations with the Giants on
Speaker 7: paper that made you know, that looked like a natural fit.
Speaker 7: But Belichick actually, you know, thinks Brian Daball should continue
Speaker 7: on as the coach there, and I don't think he
Speaker 7: wants to take over for day Ball. That Jets are
Speaker 7: a non starter, the Cowboys, you just don't know if
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones values coaches that much. The Jacksonville Jaguars could
Speaker 7: have been a fit, but was it a perfect fit.
Speaker 7: And then you have college where I think that, like Belichick,
Speaker 7: there was something about the challenge in doing something new
Speaker 7: that was invigorating for him. I had no idea about
Speaker 7: his sort of reverence for the University of North Carolina,
Speaker 7: but I think that's why it all kind of kind
Speaker 7: of makes sense. And I think that, like you know,
Speaker 7: he's been disenchanted and frustrated with like what he perceives
Speaker 7: is the NFL becoming more political, more crowded at the top,
Speaker 7: it's harder to run teams, and is somewhat familiar with
Speaker 7: this thinking said, this is a big FU to the NFL.
Speaker 7: Going to college. Of course, the NFL gave him a
Speaker 7: big f you you know about about a year ago
Speaker 7: when he they had seven job openings and he didn't
Speaker 7: get any of them.
Speaker 2: But also I look at college now and it's as
Speaker 2: close as it's ever been to a pro model with
Speaker 2: you know that the transfer portal is free agency. Sure,
Speaker 2: there's there's less structure that clutter. You know, you don't
Speaker 2: have to wait for your draft pick to try to
Speaker 2: get a quarterback. And I look at a lot of
Speaker 2: positives here, But what do you think is going to
Speaker 2: be the one hurdle that he has to overcome to
Speaker 2: be a great college coach?
Speaker 7: I think schematically he's going to be very innovative, and
Speaker 7: I think that's going to be really interesting to watch.
Speaker 7: I mean, we see a lot of sort of performance
Speaker 7: inflation on the college level with offensive statistics, and I
Speaker 7: think that he will be a terrific answer to that.
Speaker 7: I think, to answer your question, it's going to be recruiting.
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously you have the country and he college football.
Speaker 7: I think, you know, it has become a little bit
Speaker 7: of a culture personality type of thing. You see it
Speaker 7: with Davos Sweeney, you see it. You saw it with Saban,
Speaker 7: you see it with Deon Sanders certainly, and you know,
Speaker 7: I think he certainly has that element. You know, I
Speaker 7: do think that, you know, how he negotiates with an
Speaker 7: eighteen year old, you know, who wants to come to
Speaker 7: North Carolina, is considering various options. That'll be interesting Tom
Speaker 7: Brady of all people, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 7: you saw the clip, but on Fox this past weekend
Speaker 7: he was asked, you know, how.
Speaker 8: Do you think Bill will do?
Speaker 7: And you know, his recruiting pitch was kind of like like,
Speaker 7: we don't even really want you, but I guess if
Speaker 7: you want to come, we'll see if you can play.
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of truth to that, and
Speaker 7: that will be interesting. But I think that, like his
Speaker 7: ability to relate with quote unquote today's athlete, I think
Speaker 7: is one of the underappreciated aspects of his coaching ability.
Speaker 7: And I think that in two thousand and six he
Speaker 7: gave he was given an award, like a distinguished Lecturer
Speaker 7: award at Southern Connecticut, and I went to see it
Speaker 7: and I thought it was gonna I was kind of
Speaker 7: terrified because I thought it would be like a two
Speaker 7: hour press conference, and you know, it was packed with students.
Speaker 7: There was like four hundred students and he was just
Speaker 7: awesome and he was inspiring and he was engaged, and
Speaker 7: it wasn't the sort of trite cliches about how football
Speaker 7: prepares you for the real world. He actually wanted to
Speaker 7: talk to the kids about their transitions into the real
Speaker 7: world were regardless of what their passions were. And I'll
Speaker 7: never forget, he said, one of the proudest moments in
Speaker 7: his life is when he turned down a job in
Speaker 7: finance to go work for the Baltimore Colts out of
Speaker 7: Wesley and for twenty four dollars a week. I think
Speaker 7: he's really going to look forward to shaping those young
Speaker 7: minds and not all the ones who go onto the NFL.
Speaker 2: How important was Don Shula's record.
Speaker 7: I think it was important to him, but it wasn't
Speaker 7: the thing. It's not the thing that gets him out
Speaker 7: of bed every morning. And I think that again, he
Speaker 7: surveyed the landscape. He wasn't sure he was going to
Speaker 7: get an NFL job, which is still kind of crazy.
Speaker 7: I mean, let's be honest. You watch him on TV
Speaker 7: and he's explaining these game management situations that coaches in
Speaker 7: the NFL screw up so bad, and he's not coaching.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's something that just seems broken about that
Speaker 7: when he's tried to explain why Matt Eberflus screwed up
Speaker 7: the end of the game against Detroit. This is stuff
Speaker 7: he knows how to do in his sleep, and it
Speaker 7: doesn't reflect well in the league, but it's the way
Speaker 7: it is. And I think that, like he needed to
Speaker 7: make a decision. And I think that in his career,
Speaker 7: whenever he's been at a career cross roads, he is
Speaker 7: completely unafraid to take control of that situation and take
Speaker 7: matters of it into his own hands. And I think
Speaker 7: that's what he did here.
Speaker 2: Would he have been interested in another coaching job another university.
Speaker 7: I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean, I why didn't other If I get word
Speaker 2: that Bill Belichick is open to coaching in college, I
Speaker 2: was surprised. I didn't hear any other you know, whatever
Speaker 2: they are now. Chancellor's president's going, hey, Bill, what about
Speaker 2: Boston College or wherever? But he didn't get any other offers.
Speaker 2: That was Yeah, that was it. Dang, it was, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 7: It's It's both kind of how it's been since he
Speaker 7: was let go by the Patriots, and it's still shocking,
Speaker 7: but that's kind of the norm right now. And I
Speaker 7: think that again, I think he really wanted to be
Speaker 7: at a p wherever it was that he just felt
Speaker 7: wanted and I think you could tell yesterday, you know,
Speaker 7: that felt like one of the best days of his
Speaker 7: professional life.
Speaker 2: More likely, in three years, North Carolina is in the
Speaker 2: playoffs or Bill Belichick is not coaching in college.
Speaker 7: I would go with the former. I would go with
Speaker 7: the former. I mean, I think he's going to be
Speaker 7: a terrific schematic coach. Will he be able to bridge
Speaker 7: the gap in the talent level that you see between
Speaker 7: like the very top programs in college football and kind
Speaker 7: of the mid tier ones. We'll see, But I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, nobody is better at taking a collection of people.
Speaker 7: Nobody's been better over the past twenty five years at
Speaker 7: taking a collection of talent and turning it into a
Speaker 7: real team. And there's no reason to think he can't
Speaker 7: do that at the college level and actually have a
Speaker 7: lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 2: I know you have a book coming out, and it's
Speaker 2: what American King's a biography of the quarterback available now
Speaker 2: for pre order that'll be coming out this next September.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 7: Don't worry, I'll bug you.
Speaker 2: You'll know, Okay, Okay, At what point do you start
Speaker 2: working on your Belichick North Carolina book.
Speaker 7: Oh man, do we do we really have to go there?
Speaker 7: I mean, are my bosses listening right now?
Speaker 2: I got the title chapel bill, I mean we.
Speaker 7: I might I might pass that on to our friend,
Speaker 7: right Thompson. I might just let him do it.
Speaker 2: I don't think Belichick would want right Thompson to go
Speaker 2: in and do a deep dive on his personality, you
Speaker 2: know how right. I'm not sure Thompson is.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure he wants to see either of us there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great stuff. Really enjoyed the column. Thank you, Seth,
Speaker 2: and uh we'll talk to you next year with this book.
Speaker 7: Always always great to see you man.
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Speaker 2: He is Ron rivera former NFL head coach, won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl as a linebacker for the Bears, and was
Speaker 2: on the call last night west Wood Won Radio NFL
Speaker 2: analysts the Rams and the Niners coach. Great to have
Speaker 2: you back on. How would you sum up what happened
Speaker 2: to the Niners last night?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 8: I think what's really happened to Niners. They're losing the
Speaker 8: battle of attrition. You go back and look at all
Speaker 8: the injuries that they've had to sustain. They honestly are
Speaker 8: shell of who they were last season. They really are.
Speaker 8: I mean, what they've tried to do in terms of,
Speaker 8: you know, win football games with a limited roster. You know,
Speaker 8: credit to them for trying, Credit for the coaches to
Speaker 8: have doing the best they could. But what you've also
Speaker 8: saw is you've seen the Rams getting healthy at the
Speaker 8: right time. And I think that's one of the really
Speaker 8: big keys for this football team is the Rams are
Speaker 8: playing good, solid football, especially on the offensive side. Defense
Speaker 8: is starting to come together. Got a good young group
Speaker 8: of guys that are really contributing on the defensive side,
Speaker 8: and the young coordinator's done some pretty neat things. As
Speaker 8: far as Chris Shula was concerned last night, I thought
Speaker 8: he matched Kyle pretty well.
Speaker 2: How dangerous are the Rams if they get into the playoffs.
Speaker 8: I think it would be very dangerous because I think
Speaker 8: they're young enough to not know with just enough veteran
Speaker 8: leadership that's been there before, especially with Matthew Stafford. I
Speaker 8: think that's what makes them dangerous. Plus, I think Sean
Speaker 8: McVay is the heck of a football coach.
Speaker 2: Would you pay Rock Purty the going rate for a quarterback.
Speaker 8: Oh, I'd be a little bit concerned with it. You know,
Speaker 8: he's a solid quarterback. He does some really good things.
Speaker 8: He really is, to me and my estimation, a game manager,
Speaker 8: And by that, I mean he's a guy that as
Speaker 8: long as he protects the ball, takes care of the football,
Speaker 8: and takes what's there for him, he'll be very, very efficient.
Speaker 8: And he does have the ability to make plays when
Speaker 8: you need him to, Okay, And that's one of the
Speaker 8: things that I really like about him. I thought last
Speaker 8: night he pressed a little bit. I thought he did.
Speaker 8: I thought he tried to be too pinpoint accurate instead
Speaker 8: of just cutting the ball loose. A couple of times
Speaker 8: he underthrew a couple of balls that should have been
Speaker 8: could have been caught for big, big plays, and it
Speaker 8: you know, it's one of those things that when you
Speaker 8: don't have all your tools, all your weapons, you feel
Speaker 8: like you've got to make all the plays.
Speaker 2: The Niners window closing or closed.
Speaker 8: Oh, I think it's I really just think, you know,
Speaker 8: the hard part for them is They've gone to three
Speaker 8: straight NFC championships. There's been three very long years for them,
Speaker 8: and I just think it's caught up to him a
Speaker 8: little bit. I think as far as being retooled for
Speaker 8: next season, and that really that's what they're looking at.
Speaker 8: You got to be looking to start looking ahead, you
Speaker 8: really do. You go to look at how are we
Speaker 8: going to get this corrected? How are we going to
Speaker 8: rebuild this? You know what's going to take to get
Speaker 8: these guys back on the football field. For the most part,
Speaker 8: when you look at the guys that they just didn't
Speaker 8: have this year available.
Speaker 2: When did you realize something was up with Devandre Campbell
Speaker 2: when he was walking off the field.
Speaker 8: When he was walking off the field, I just trying
Speaker 8: to figure out, okay, wait a minute, And it didn't
Speaker 8: dawn on me that he hadn't played yet and he
Speaker 8: had been their starter and I think he's their second
Speaker 8: leading tackler for the year. And I think that was
Speaker 8: a really tough foot pill to swallow because you know,
Speaker 8: for the most part, you know, you do the things
Speaker 8: you did, you have the year that you had, and
Speaker 8: they just put Drey back in there, and I think
Speaker 8: that really got to him. A little bit.
Speaker 2: What would you do if you were coaching him in
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 8: Well, in the moment, if I'd seen him start walking up,
Speaker 8: as as a coach, I'd have called him over. I'd
Speaker 8: have talked to him before he left.
Speaker 2: But if he says he doesn't want to go in,
Speaker 2: which I think Kyle said that he told him to
Speaker 2: go in for Dre and then he says he didn't
Speaker 2: want to play.
Speaker 8: Well, then there's obviously an issue. I didn't hear that part,
Speaker 8: but yeah, I'd have an issue like that right now.
Speaker 8: I mean, to me, that's conduct detrimental. You're gonna have
Speaker 8: to sit down and have a really long, long discussion
Speaker 8: with him. Uh, it's you know, it's one of those
Speaker 8: things that you got to understand in this game, the
Speaker 8: way this game's played. You got to do with best
Speaker 8: for the team. And at that point they just thought
Speaker 8: that that was was best for the team.
Speaker 2: But I wonder, is this a must cut situation euation
Speaker 2: if you're the head coach, like, do you have to
Speaker 2: send a message I mean yours over almost.
Speaker 8: You suspend them?
Speaker 2: Just suspend them, okay.
Speaker 8: Because again, at the end of the day and kind
Speaker 8: of looking at where they are Yeah, you can send
Speaker 8: a message by cutting them. You can all send a
Speaker 8: mention by suspending them for the rest of the season.
Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, you can still
Speaker 8: get value for him. He's a good player. He's shown
Speaker 8: that he's capable suspend them and trading.
Speaker 2: He's Ron rivera former NFL head coach and was on
Speaker 2: the call last night Westwood one Radio NFL analyst. If
Speaker 2: I gave you the Lions or the field in the NFC,
Speaker 2: who would you take.
Speaker 8: I'd still take the Lions, I really would. They're a big,
Speaker 8: physical football team. I think if there's one if there
Speaker 8: is one one potential weakness that I see the Rams
Speaker 8: have right now, it is it is their run defense.
Speaker 8: I think that's a little bit of a soft spot
Speaker 8: for them. They're still there's a bunch of young guys
Speaker 8: and that's what it is. I love the mentality right
Speaker 8: now that the Rams have. I mean, it is solid
Speaker 8: and stout. It's built around Sean But you can't deny
Speaker 8: what Dan Campbell has done. And it's kind of interesting
Speaker 8: that he went for it on fourth down and did
Speaker 8: it send a message to everybody else. I think that
Speaker 8: that's one of the big things that you sit there
Speaker 8: and you look at it. When all they had to
Speaker 8: do was kick the field go and then play defense.
Speaker 8: He went to kill it, to take the knife and
Speaker 8: twist it. That's pretty much what.
Speaker 2: He did well. The thing I would be concerned about
Speaker 2: when you say that they're vulnerable to the run is
Speaker 2: you have Saquon Barkley with the Eagles, and you got
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs with Green Bay, and the chances are you're
Speaker 2: going to be seeing one of those teams, both of
Speaker 2: those teams. If I gave you the Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 2: or the rest of the field in the AFC OH, I'm.
Speaker 8: Still going with the Chiefs. I really am. The reason
Speaker 8: I am more than anything else is inspite of everything
Speaker 8: they've gone through this year, they still find a way
Speaker 8: to win for the most part. The other reason, more
Speaker 8: so anything else, is home field advantage. As long as
Speaker 8: it goes through Kansas City. I'm sticking with Kansas City.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: If Buffalo had stayed kept pace with them, and then
Speaker 8: somehow Buffalo had ended up with home field advantage, I
Speaker 8: would go with Buffalo. I think home field advantage the
Speaker 8: FG is going to be very, very huge.
Speaker 2: How do you if you were going to explain to
Speaker 2: somebody who had never seen Patrick Mahomes play, how would
Speaker 2: you describe that?
Speaker 8: You know, he's he's slippery, he has a little bit
Speaker 8: of wiggle and he and he has the ability to
Speaker 8: make something out enough. He really does. And I think
Speaker 8: that when you watch him do these things, you say,
Speaker 8: how do you do?
Speaker 9: What? Was?
Speaker 8: And it's always to me about he understands where things are,
Speaker 8: where people are, and that I think is one of
Speaker 8: his superpowers as a quarterback is that when you understand
Speaker 8: and know where people are supposed to be, if you're
Speaker 8: in trouble, you can always get to that point. And
Speaker 8: I do think some of the things that Andy designs
Speaker 8: always has that out for him. Somewhere. It's somebody that's
Speaker 8: curling on the backside that's coming back to the quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 8: when quarterbacks look into his right, that X receiver is
Speaker 8: running a comeback, and as soon as Patrick gets in trouble,
Speaker 8: he just keeps coming back to Patrick to present that target.
Speaker 2: Do you coach somebody like that less?
Speaker 8: No, I think you coach somebody like that more in
Speaker 8: terms of information. You don't tell him hey do this
Speaker 8: or this, they say, hey, this, just always understand that
Speaker 8: if you're in trouble, this is where this guy is.
Speaker 8: If you're always in trouble, you can look for the checkdown,
Speaker 8: you can look for your tight end. Those are the
Speaker 8: things I think that you coach more in terms of, Hey,
Speaker 8: these are the things that you do if this happens.
Speaker 8: These are things you do if that happens. And it's
Speaker 8: interesting to watch because with Patrick you see that and
Speaker 8: you see him go through his progression seeing that things
Speaker 8: that certain things are happening, and then he turns and
Speaker 8: goes away from everything else.
Speaker 2: Sarah quarterback that he reminds you of, Wow.
Speaker 8: You know Tom Brady had a little bit of that,
Speaker 8: but he just he did what he did. Tom didn't
Speaker 8: have his mobility, but he had that ability to get
Speaker 8: to where he needed to get and throw the ball there.
Speaker 8: That that I mean, that that's I think it's really terrific.
Speaker 8: Joe Montana is another guy that was under pressure. He
Speaker 8: was just cool and calm. You know, he's Joe cool.
Speaker 9: He really was.
Speaker 8: I mean, you you see these these these these iconic
Speaker 8: quarterbacks who just in the playoffs seem to be the
Speaker 8: guy that you want on your team. In a two
Speaker 8: minute drill to give you a chance to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about it there, but there's things that
Speaker 2: aren't teachable, not coaching, Like they just have something I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know what that is, but they all
Speaker 2: the great ones seem to have whatever that DNA is.
Speaker 8: You know, it's funny. I mean, I've heard Tom Brady
Speaker 8: talk and and and when you listen to him talking,
Speaker 8: it's really it's all about winning. It's all about being
Speaker 8: prepared to win. And that's what I think it is about.
Speaker 8: Their preparation has always put them in position to be successful.
Speaker 8: And that's some of the things that you hear about
Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes is the way he prepares. You listen to
Speaker 8: when people talked about how Joe Montana you should be prepared,
Speaker 8: you know, listening and watching some of the things that
Speaker 8: Troy Aikman did about always being prepared. You know, those
Speaker 8: are the things that I think really separated is not
Speaker 8: just what they do on the football field, but what
Speaker 8: they do before they get on the football field. Well,
Speaker 8: those are people that I think are highly successful.
Speaker 2: What was your reaction to Bill Belichick going to North Carolina.
Speaker 8: You know, on one hand, I think it's brilliant. I
Speaker 8: was on Good Morning football the other day and that
Speaker 8: had come up, and it had just come across the
Speaker 8: wire that he was in negotiations, and I thought, man,
Speaker 8: that's brilliant, and it goes, what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: I said, well, think about this with the direction college
Speaker 8: football's head. And I don't know if you saw this
Speaker 8: some report that there's some billionaires are talking about buying
Speaker 8: into college football teams. Well, if that's what's going to happen,
Speaker 8: you're looking at the creation of what potentially could be
Speaker 8: truly the minor leagues to the NFL. You get enough
Speaker 8: of these billionaires at want to come in, and let's
Speaker 8: say you get thirty two of them, they buy thirty
Speaker 8: two teams. Now, all of a sudden, what.
Speaker 9: Do you have.
Speaker 8: You have a mini NFL. You've got two conferences, You've
Speaker 8: got four divisions in each one of those conferences. You
Speaker 8: set it up just like that. There's your feeder program
Speaker 8: to the NFL. And Bill Belichick's getting in on the
Speaker 8: on the top floor. Apparently I'm seeing on the bottom
Speaker 8: floor working his way up. Apparently, in my opinion, he's
Speaker 8: working with somebody else. Somebody else has talked to him
Speaker 8: about doing that potentially. And again I'm just I'm just guessing,
Speaker 8: but I think it was brilliant. I really do. I
Speaker 8: think it's a new challenge for him. I mean, he's
Speaker 8: you know, he's conquered pretty much everything you can in
Speaker 8: the NFL, except for the total wins record, but for
Speaker 8: the most part, when you win as many Super bowl
Speaker 8: as you had, have the success you've had, why not
Speaker 8: try something different? Why do not do something a little
Speaker 8: bit that isn't isn't expected.
Speaker 2: Would you do it? You're ten years younger.
Speaker 8: I personally, if the right situation came up, I probably would.
Speaker 8: But I still have something to prove right now in
Speaker 8: the NFL. So if the opportunity to go back and
Speaker 8: do something in the NFL, I think I would do
Speaker 8: that first.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, coach. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8: All right, good talking Dan. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel Horegan quarterback Heisman Trophy finalist and joining us.
Speaker 2: Are you in New York?
Speaker 9: I am, I am.
Speaker 5: I'm in a hotel room and excited. Are you been
Speaker 5: in New York before I have one, but definitely not
Speaker 5: this type of way.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you want to see? You got to
Speaker 2: you gotta walk around a little bit.
Speaker 5: I'm actually gonna be asking some of the New York
Speaker 5: natives here to kind of show me around.
Speaker 9: Of course, Central Park Times Squares right down the street.
Speaker 5: So check that out. Last right, and then this morning
Speaker 5: made a little way to the Nike store. So got
Speaker 5: a little bit of a series.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are your expectations on what will happen on
Speaker 2: Saturday night at the ceremony?
Speaker 9: What it'll be is what it'll be. I think, you know,
Speaker 9: whoever wins man, that's such a big blessing.
Speaker 5: But just to be here as well, just to connect
Speaker 5: with those guys, that's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 9: And should we get to enjoy New York together, So
Speaker 9: it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, But the camera is going to be on you.
Speaker 2: So when they call Travis Hunter's name, just you know,
Speaker 2: just make sure that you're smiling, like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: you got invited. You're playing for maybe a national championship
Speaker 2: that's more important than this, so just so you know,
Speaker 2: and do we have the outfit already picked out of
Speaker 2: what we're wearing tomorrow.
Speaker 9: We do, we do. I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 9: style it up a little bit.
Speaker 5: I think i'll catch some people by surprise, so not
Speaker 5: to type it up too much, but you know, I'll
Speaker 5: make sure I make a do it to do at
Speaker 5: least from a fastest standpoint.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. This will be played years from now,
Speaker 2: So whatever you're wearing, just understand, ten years from now,
Speaker 2: they're going to say, oh, remember the Heisman ceremony when
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel wore that in a good way hopefully, Well.
Speaker 5: Let's just say, let's just say it's not going to
Speaker 5: be like the NBA in two thousand and five with
Speaker 5: those OtherSide.
Speaker 9: Seats, so I definitely won't help me that one. So
Speaker 9: I think I feel pretty good.
Speaker 2: Okay, when you guys were watching the selection Sunday show
Speaker 2: and you saw kind of where you guys were going
Speaker 2: to be, I'm not sure if you had the same
Speaker 2: reaction I had is damn they put some tough teams
Speaker 2: in front of you. If you guys are going to
Speaker 2: win a national title, felt like it was a little unfair. Dylan,
Speaker 2: how did you and your teammates feel.
Speaker 9: Told me, out of our control.
Speaker 5: I think naturally, it being the first year, there's definitely
Speaker 5: gonna be some things they'll have to work on.
Speaker 9: But in terms of, you know, our team and.
Speaker 5: What we got ahead of us, I think it's going
Speaker 5: to be a lot of fun, you know, being able
Speaker 5: to be in the Rose Bowl. Like I said, we
Speaker 5: can't really control you know, what teams we do play,
Speaker 5: but you know we're in the playoffs, so there's gonna
Speaker 5: be a lot of great teams and you look forward
Speaker 5: to whatever matchup.
Speaker 9: Comes your way. But like I said, I think there.
Speaker 5: Will be some conversations down the road and some cleaning
Speaker 5: up in that sense, but you know, it is what
Speaker 5: it is, and we're excited either way.
Speaker 2: You predate COVID and nil. That's how long you've been
Speaker 2: in college. Take me back to that freshman year, that
Speaker 2: quarterback compared to who you are now?
Speaker 9: Are you saying them old?
Speaker 2: You're college old?
Speaker 9: I am college old. No.
Speaker 5: I'll say this, twenty nineteen was so different from what
Speaker 5: it is today in college football. You know, I think
Speaker 5: the innocence of college football was still there. The you know,
Speaker 5: remembering when you know you're living off the Coche semester
Speaker 5: to semester, which honestly was decent at the time, but
Speaker 5: compared to what it is now, you just have a
Speaker 5: lot of appreciation knowing that I was able to go
Speaker 5: through kind of both sides of that.
Speaker 2: Okay, what was the money like your freshman year? What's
Speaker 2: the money like now?
Speaker 5: I can tell you. Freshman year, I can't tell you now,
Speaker 5: but freshman year it was like twenty five hundred dollars
Speaker 5: a semester. Okay, so you're, you know, five grand a year,
Speaker 5: and of course there's money for rent and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But and then you go to fast forward and I
Speaker 5: think I'll leave that to everyone else's imagination. But you know,
Speaker 5: my software year going through COVID, you know that interesting season,
Speaker 5: and then you know, utilizing the portal, which is what
Speaker 5: I've done in my junior year and even up until
Speaker 5: this year, and then nil. So I've kind of seen
Speaker 5: it all in that sense and kind of had the
Speaker 5: fun of pre all this thing happening, and then you know,
Speaker 5: enjoying it post as well.
Speaker 2: You don't have any more eligibility after this year, right.
Speaker 9: I don't.
Speaker 5: I could probably ask for it and see, but that'll
Speaker 5: be declined real fast.
Speaker 2: And that leather jacket you got on looks like it
Speaker 2: does that nil leather jacket.
Speaker 9: It might be Uphill a Nike.
Speaker 5: A great man, but uh, you know, I'm always rapping
Speaker 5: the Nike swoosh and you know, just being at organ
Speaker 5: there's only one way to do it.
Speaker 2: But when you go to the Nike plant or Nicke
Speaker 2: Nike headquarters, can you just walk in and just say
Speaker 2: I got a shopping cart and pick up stuff.
Speaker 5: Well, this morning we did walk in at Nike in
Speaker 5: New York. So, like I said, I'll leave that to
Speaker 5: your imagine. But they take care of it.
Speaker 2: Oregon will win the national title if.
Speaker 5: Prepare the right way and take care of business. You know,
Speaker 5: we got to be president too. I think coach Lanning
Speaker 5: said it the best, and that's why I love playing
Speaker 5: for him, is you know it is winner, go home,
Speaker 5: but you got to take care of business right where
Speaker 5: your feet are, you know, in the present moment. I
Speaker 5: think it's so easy for a lot of teams to
Speaker 5: look forward, you know, and not only to the first game,
Speaker 5: but the semi finals, the national championship.
Speaker 9: It's like, hey, you got to take care of business
Speaker 9: right where your feed are.
Speaker 5: You know, we got the Rose Bowl here January one,
Speaker 5: and I think we stay present, we prepare the right way,
Speaker 5: then the rest will.
Speaker 9: Take care of himself.
Speaker 2: Congrats on the season, have fun on Saturday. Hair looks good,
Speaker 2: Hair looks good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I got one question for you. Okay,
Speaker 5: how was the Happy Gilmore Too filming?
Speaker 2: I heard yep, I shot that last Thursday and it
Speaker 2: was it was. It's fun. It's a you know, Sandler's
Speaker 2: put me in a lot of his movies, so yeah,
Speaker 2: and this has got an interesting plot twist that I
Speaker 2: didn't think that you would have with Happy Gilmore Too.
Speaker 2: Just saying it'll it'll be a big blockbuster. But but
Speaker 2: it's fun. It's you know, whenever you're around Sandler, it's
Speaker 2: always a good time.
Speaker 5: Well, if you ever need action, oh in a movie,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm working on my acting skills, so I would
Speaker 5: I would love to if you needed one. You know,
Speaker 5: my my acting skills are subpar of that average. But uh,
Speaker 5: I think maybe I could get some coaching from you
Speaker 5: and they can make an act.
Speaker 2: Are you acting now.
Speaker 9: In this moment?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: No, but if you need me to.
Speaker 2: Cause I'm I'm acting now. How about this? I want
Speaker 2: you to act. Okay, here you go. I want you
Speaker 2: to act happy for Travis Hunter tomorrow night. I want
Speaker 2: you to act. So when I say I'm Chris Fowler
Speaker 2: and I'm up there, and I say, and the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four Heisman Trophy winner, Colorado's Travis Hunter.
Speaker 9: What if asdon w when's it? Then I gotta act?
Speaker 2: You got to act there too.
Speaker 9: I got you.
Speaker 2: Wait, you missed your queue to act. The camera was
Speaker 2: on you. You miss Oh damn. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: look happy for him? Okay, you can't vote for yourself.
Speaker 2: Who would you vote for for the Heisman Trophy?
Speaker 9: Oh I'm going to get some heat for this one.
Speaker 9: But I'm gonna say Aston gdenty. And I say that.
Speaker 5: Because me being at the group of five months, knowing
Speaker 5: you know the challenges that come with that. Of course,
Speaker 5: I played against Aston this year. I think he's a
Speaker 5: talented individual. You know, his story is unique, and what
Speaker 5: he's been able to do is is pretty impressive. And
Speaker 5: you've me in a spotsor I think this this may
Speaker 5: be a quoted but no, I do think you know.
Speaker 9: He's extremely worthy of it and a guy.
Speaker 2: Who's well, you don't have to worry about facing Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter though, So like if you said, oh, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have voted for him, I'd vote for you know, Genty,
Speaker 2: and then you had to play Colorado, and then Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter is going to say I'm going to pick off
Speaker 2: a couple of your passes. So you don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about that until you get to the NFL.
Speaker 5: I know, maybe then we'll maybe see each other. Then
Speaker 5: you gotta watch your words now that you don't know
Speaker 5: who you'll play.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I know, I know. All right, Well, uh,
Speaker 2: you know what act like a Heisman finalist when you
Speaker 2: have your first game whoever that's going to be against.
Speaker 2: So that's either Tennessee or or Ohio State.
Speaker 9: I like that. Yeah, Hey, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Congrats, have fun in New York.
Speaker 9: All right, that's thank you.
Speaker 2: That's a Dylan Gabriel