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Speaker 1: So we said a lot of it. There's a story

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Speaker 1: out there about Kevin Durant All Star Weekend. Somebody found

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Speaker 1: its surface that he had a burner account allegedly and

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Speaker 1: he was banging on she Goon his teammate Jabari Smith,

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Speaker 1: that he was criticizing a lot of players in the league,

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Speaker 1: including his teammates, and before it was validated. My take is,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really surprised because I've always thought he's an

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Speaker 1: all time great player. But like a James Harden or

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, he's not necessarily somebody would build around. He's

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Speaker 1: not a leader. He's just a great talent, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's a commodity to have somebody that's great and

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Speaker 1: wants to lead. Curry Magic, Lebron, Tim Duncan like that

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Speaker 1: stuff is most pro athletes. That's not just natural like

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Speaker 1: it organically. They're just great leaders. Fortunately many quarterbacks are.

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Speaker 1: But when I heard the story about Katie, my take

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Speaker 1: is I wouldn't be shocked by it. A lot of

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Speaker 1: time on his phone, tends to have little rabbit ears,

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Speaker 1: you know, lack a little self awareness if you're on

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Speaker 1: a burner phone ripping teammates. He was asked about it

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Speaker 1: today and would not He did not deny it, but

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Speaker 1: he did not confirm it.

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Speaker 3: I know you got to ask these questions, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not here to get into twitter nonsense. I'm just here

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Speaker 3: to focus on the season, keep it pushing on. But

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Speaker 3: I know, I guess you got to answer those questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I does it bother me? Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's great to bag on your teammates. But I also

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Speaker 1: I've always said I would love to have KD on

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Speaker 1: my team. I wouldn't build around him, but I'd love

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Speaker 1: him to be He could be the most talented guy

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Speaker 1: the team was Kerr, Staph and Draymond. He was just

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Speaker 1: the most talented guy. With that Lance zerline. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into the football host daily radio show in Houston,

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Speaker 1: Kd's a rocket obviously, So how have you guys handled

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Speaker 1: this story? What do you make of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, we had a little about

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Speaker 4: like everyone else's. You know, at first, it was very curious,

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Speaker 4: kind of had my doubts. I mean, why, I don't

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Speaker 4: it seemed plausible simply because KD has been that guy

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I thought, I don't know if I buy into this,

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Speaker 4: and then you start thinking about group text exchanges and

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Speaker 4: things that aren't meant for the public, and is there

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Speaker 4: a chance he could have done it?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: And I think what you talk about is he'll tell

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Speaker 4: you right off the bat he doesn't want to be

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Speaker 4: the team leader. He doesn't that's ever what he wants

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Speaker 4: to do. And so I think it's good that they

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Speaker 4: have Emoo Dooka. You know, Colin.

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Speaker 5: This team is not playing very good basketball currently.

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Speaker 4: I mean they've they've really fallen off over the last

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Speaker 4: month basically, So this is it's bad timing. I don't

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Speaker 4: but I do think it's worth a different conversation about

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Speaker 4: how we end up viewing Kevin Durant when his career

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting team. Shen Goon's talented,

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Speaker 1: but a euro is he going to be like the leader?

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Speaker 1: Katie doesn't want to be a men. Thompson's too young.

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Speaker 1: The talent's there, but I mean they've got a very strong, willed,

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Speaker 1: Kad is one of those guys, and and Lebron in

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Speaker 1: La feels a little bit like this. They're great and

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Speaker 1: they're talented, but Magic felt like the Lakers. Kobe felt

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Speaker 4: I think it's just weighing on everyone just a little bit,

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Speaker 4: But everyone's handling it okay. For right now. But let's

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Speaker 4: because you know, just like I do, the real mess

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Speaker 4: starts when you start to underperform and you don't win

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Speaker 4: and clutch situations, that's when it really happens.

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Speaker 5: Katie's been a great addition.

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Speaker 4: Maybe hasn't won as many games down the stretches as

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Speaker 4: Rocket fans a hope. Some of that just goes to

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Speaker 4: not a demanding player. We talk about the leadership thing.

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Speaker 1: Land Zerline, NFL dot com draft analyst doing it for

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Speaker 1: a long time, covering the league for twenty four years.

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Speaker 1: So let's just get to the quarterback and the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Mendoza is a clear number one pick, Ty Simpson, you

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Speaker 1: have late first round, which I said yesterday, there are

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Speaker 1: certain things men will spend on and reach on, regardless cars,

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Speaker 1: another driver in their golf bag, and quarterbacks somebody's going

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Speaker 1: to reach for Ty Simpson. Let's start with him. I

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Speaker 1: think he feels a little bit like a less mobile

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. He's talented, he faced sec defenses, he had

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Speaker 1: right coach, a franchise quarterback. How how do you view

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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson, Let's say, compared to a Jackson Dart, is

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Speaker 1: he as good a prospect as the Giants rookie quarterback

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Speaker 4: I have a higher grade on Jackson Dart, but I

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Speaker 4: can tell you base on the way I saw Jackson

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Speaker 5: I would put Jackson Dart over Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 4: I think Jackson Dart has a level of confidence that

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Speaker 4: you have to have. It's kind of rare for a

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Speaker 5: And I liked a lot of what I saw.

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Speaker 4: From Jackson Dart from a mobility standpoint, From a confidence standpoint,

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Speaker 4: he's going to be much much better Ty Simpson. You

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Speaker 4: know the mistakes he makes Colin. He does a lot

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Speaker 4: of things that are synonymous with first year quarterbacks, first

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Speaker 4: jittery when the pocket starts to heat up. Sometimes he

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Speaker 4: times he trailed off the second half of the season.

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Speaker 4: Maybe teams got a book on him that's synonymous with

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Speaker 4: still think there's a lot of growth. I see a

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Speaker 4: feel lazy because it's Alabama. Alabama from a skillet skill

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Speaker 4: set standpoint, there's a lot of similarities to Mac Jones

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Speaker 4: think he has a chance to be a legitimate starter

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Speaker 4: depends on He's going to be very dependent upon where

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Speaker 4: he goes and the type of tutelage he gets in

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Speaker 4: that red shirt year. And I think having a red

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Speaker 4: shirt year is really important. That's why I think you know,

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Speaker 4: a chance to play with the Rams would probably be

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Speaker 4: optimal for Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 1: So Mendoza, give me the red flag. We picked these

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Speaker 1: guys apart, give me the red flag. On Mendoza, what

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Speaker 1: worries you the most? Because we know he's big, and

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Speaker 1: he's got a decent arm, and he's a great kid,

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Speaker 1: and he's humbling, gracious, and he won big games. I

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Speaker 1: thought he got much better beginning to end of the year.

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Speaker 1: What's the red flag on him?

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Speaker 4: Red flag is going to be pocket mobility. The red

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Speaker 4: flag is going to be and this is my biggest concern.

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Speaker 4: I think he throws the ball from an accuracy standpoint,

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Speaker 4: a baseline accuracy.

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Speaker 5: Like Joe Burrow did when he was coming out.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's really impressive his ability to hit receivers

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Speaker 4: in stride and throw the ball right to your hands

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Speaker 4: every single time.

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Speaker 5: He's unfazed by a lot of what he sees.

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Speaker 4: I think he gets he attacks the intermediate pockets and zones.

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Speaker 4: But my big concern, Colin, is that if you don't

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Speaker 4: protect him properly, Joe Burrow could slide around in a pocket,

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Speaker 5: That's not Fernando Mendoza. I know he's tough.

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Speaker 4: We all saw the touchdown run in the National Championship game.

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Speaker 4: But when the pocket heat gets, you know, when it

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Speaker 4: actually leaks inside the pocket, he's pretty much cooked. And

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Speaker 4: he's not real pocket mobile in terms of sliding around,

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Speaker 4: climbing sliding, which Ty Sampson ironically is really good at that.

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Speaker 4: Fernando's not great at it. So I think he has

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Speaker 4: to be protected at an above average level and has

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Speaker 4: to have a running game to kind of neutralize, you know, defenses.

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Speaker 5: A little bit.

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Speaker 4: I think everything about that you mentioned about Fernando Mendoza

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Speaker 4: is dead on. But if you want to look for

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Speaker 4: a red flag, it's the fact that pressure can maybe

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Speaker 4: unduly take him out of his potential faster than some

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Speaker 4: of the other top quarterbacks we've seen over the last

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Speaker 1: If I said to you, can't miss athlete, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's a couple in this draft. If I just

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Speaker 1: said too talented to miss, give me two guys that

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Mansur Delaane, cornerback at LSU.

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Speaker 4: I've got him as my highest rated cornerback since Patrick Certan,

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Speaker 4: who I gave a seven to zero grade to Mansur,

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Speaker 4: I've got a six to eight, which basically means he's

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Speaker 4: on the high end of Pro Bowl to all all

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Speaker 4: pro caliber type player from LSU. If you haven't seen him,

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Speaker 4: he's very fast, he's very sticky, great feet, just a

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Speaker 4: smothering presence from from a man cover standpoint out of press,

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Speaker 4: and I think he is going to be a fantastic

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Speaker 4: cornerback and one that really gets drafted a lot higher

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Speaker 4: than some people are projecting him right now. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, I guess I'll go to my top pick

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna throw somebody out there that you

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Speaker 5: You got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even that that tape on the five to nine

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Speaker 1: Remember when when when Jason McIntyre is being so mean

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Speaker 1: For hours, I watched Club Nick several times. I like,

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Speaker 8: Come on, buck up. You missed out on Michigan Purdue

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Speaker 1: Do you think Kd's teammates think he did it? That's

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Speaker 8: Listen, man, you're in a bunch of group texts, right,

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Speaker 1: Oh, and I refuse to he do you have friends?

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Speaker 1: The guys were referencing stuff I didn't even know what

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Speaker 7: This is the headline news all right.

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Speaker 8: On the low key quarterback situation of watch in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: Are you ready for this? Minnesota Vikings? What veteran will

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Speaker 8: they bring in to help out JJ McCarthy. Right, They

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Speaker 8: There's some names starting to perk up. And according to

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Speaker 8: Think it's a little too complicated, a little too crowded.

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Speaker 8: He couldn't read the defense, didn't know what the linebacker

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Speaker 8: were doing, and it was just too dangerous turnover wise.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is who is reporting this?

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Speaker 8: Uh, this is the according to the athletics, So we could.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Injuries, inconsistencies, lack of confidence.

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Speaker 1: This story it's over.

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Speaker 8: He's not over come on two years over, He's like

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Speaker 8: twenty one and a half.

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Speaker 1: Give me one positive story. And then why is this

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Speaker 1: stuff get leaks when somebody wants it to leak? Why

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Speaker 1: is it leaking?

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Speaker 3: A right?

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Speaker 7: So who are they gonna go? Get Aaron Rodgers to

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Speaker 7: be the veteran at TUA? Kyler Murray who you want?

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Speaker 1: I told you in a dome is not a terrible thing.

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores is on the staff and two and Brian died.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's right. You had no shot of that.

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Speaker 8: Oh Derek Carr, who wants to come back to a contender.

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Speaker 8: I think Minnesota's got super Bowl potential? Oh godow the

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Speaker 8: defense is ridiculous. Justin Jefferson's still breathing. Skill position players

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Speaker 8: are good.

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Speaker 1: This JJ McCarthy stuff. This was the one quarterback in

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Speaker 1: that class. I was like, I don't get it. Tough kid,

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Speaker 1: But Harbaugh o line run game. They never asked him

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Speaker 1: to lead them to wins. It was just managing, like

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Speaker 1: at some point in college, I need you to take

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Speaker 1: a game over. And I said this with Mendoza. They

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Speaker 1: have four losses of Indiana. Without Mendoza, they lose to

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, they probably lose to Iowa, they definitely lose

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Speaker 1: to Miami. Yeah, so you mean they were in a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of close games, tighter, trailing late. So Indy,

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Speaker 1: you could say, Well, Indiana had a great coach. Indiana

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Speaker 1: needed Mendoza to carry them across the finish line.

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Speaker 8: So what you're saying is you just need he needs

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Speaker 8: to be Sam Donald, just a game manager.

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald, say what you want Donald? At USC bad defense,

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Speaker 1: Donald had to lead them to a Rose Bowl win

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Speaker 1: over Penn State. Donald had to carry a poorly coach

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Speaker 1: USC team for a college quarterback, by the way, Kayleb

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Speaker 1: Williams USC Lousey defense had to carry them to eleven

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Speaker 1: wins his first year with the Trojans. I want to

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Speaker 1: see you at some point lead and carry your team.

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Speaker 8: Didn't we see that in JJ McCarthy's first game of

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Speaker 8: the season last year against the Bears. Remember that fourth

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Speaker 8: quarter comeback, just throwing dime to his last seven cockage game.

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Speaker 1: His last seven college games at Michigan, he had four

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Speaker 1: touchdown passes.

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Speaker 7: That was like three years ago.

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Speaker 8: Come on now, just for the record, last year Sam

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Speaker 8: donood number three years ago, Sam Donald two fourth quarter

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Speaker 8: comebacks last year JJ McCarthy won.

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Speaker 7: That's it half his month.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, it's not that big of a gap. I'm

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Speaker 8: not selling my McCarthy stock. I refuse to sell. I'm

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Speaker 8: gonna hold it like bitcoin and suffering.

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Speaker 7: Not good. All right, let's go to Anthony richards to Color.

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Speaker 8: Remember that guy, he had like a handful of college

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Speaker 8: starts at Florida, but they drafted him top five.

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Speaker 7: Sounds like he's done. It sounds like sorry.

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Speaker 8: A recent report called it inevitable that Richardson will request

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Speaker 8: to trade this offseason.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what you can get in return for him.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if you're the Steelers, do you take a flyer?

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Speaker 8: He's in seven completion percentage of fifty percent seventeen.

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Speaker 1: There'll be some Hey, listen, the Niners got a fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick for Trey Lance, and I think it's the

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Speaker 1: same situation.

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Speaker 7: Where who was that Jerry Jones?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean this is a young man who

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Speaker 1: you know what really beyond. I remember talking to a

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Speaker 1: GM that told me he'd never seen a tape so

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Speaker 1: bad from an NFL quarterback on stuff under fifteen yards.

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Speaker 1: He said, forget everything else, just the layup stuff, the

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Speaker 1: fifteen yard stuff. He's like, I've never seen it this

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Speaker 1: bad any any tape ever. But the other thing was

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Speaker 1: when he took himself out of the game. That is

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Speaker 1: just not permitted at quarterback in the NFL, Like that

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Speaker 1: is not having a level of self awareness you have

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Speaker 1: to have. I feel bad for him, actually, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's an I don't think he has a

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Speaker 1: market at like at all. Yeah, somebody has got a

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Speaker 1: bigger market to me.

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Speaker 8: Somebody out there will be like, hey, I can revive

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Speaker 8: his career Garthy in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 7: I mean, why not. Mike MacCarthy knows quarterbacks.

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Speaker 8: Let him, let him battle Will Howard for the job

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Speaker 8: and win four games in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: You gotta figure something out. Final storyc on to the NBA.

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Speaker 8: There we go back to the Kevin Durant Berner story.

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Speaker 8: It's starting to percolate even more today. Kad was asked

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Speaker 8: about it in front of the media and you know

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Speaker 8: he's usually vociferous, not afraid of any questions.

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Speaker 7: I think he's afraid of this one.

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Speaker 3: I know you got to ask these questions. But I'm

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Speaker 3: not here to get into Twitter nonsense. I'm just here

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Speaker 3: to focus on the season, keep it pushing. But I

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Speaker 3: know I gets you got to answer those questions.

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Speaker 8: Now, you know, I have a checkered history with miss Durant.

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Speaker 8: I do say he is he's a great basketball player,

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Speaker 8: but there's always a butt with Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, Colin. Does this kind of thing damage

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Speaker 7: his legacy or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's not just his legacy. I think

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Speaker 1: it's on brand for a guy that is a great player,

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Speaker 1: kind of an independent thinker, kind of a wanderer doing

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Speaker 1: his own thing. He's one of my favorite players ever.

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Speaker 1: I'd want him on every team I've ever had. He

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Speaker 1: can catch and shoot, drive. He's a remarkable talent. But

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Speaker 1: I would be surprised if Steph Curry did this with Kad.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I could see it.

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Speaker 7: So this is a video of him. Yeah, all Star

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Speaker 7: weekend when this.

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Speaker 8: Stuff started to pop, he was just on his phone

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Speaker 8: the whole time, probably trying to do damage control, figure

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Speaker 8: out who did him dirty? Hey man, remember trust nobody cowhard.

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Speaker 8: Somebody really screwed Durant here man. Yeah, or you could

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Speaker 8: say he screwed himself by making the comments.

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Speaker 7: But if you think you're hanging out with friends talking

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Speaker 7: to him, you should be able to say what you want, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, people talk trash the time about everybody, so it's

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, you.

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Speaker 8: Don't talk trash about me, but yes, that usually happens.

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Speaker 7: People slander teammates. Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 1: Huh No, I just I you know it's kad is.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts his legacy. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, you know, like.

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Speaker 8: Everybody Michael Jordan's legacy get hurt when he punched teammate.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan would tell you to your face, Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: was brutal to your face, Mike, Mike, Kevin Durant is

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Speaker 1: not the kind of guy that's gonna be confrontation. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Michael and Kobe are. We're very confrontational people. Lebron James

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Speaker 1: isn't confrontational. No, it's just their personality. So all right,

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Speaker 1: j Mack with the News, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's even a lukewarm take.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Caleb Williams. He is the MVP

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Speaker 1: odds On favorite, not Josh Allen or Mahomes. Well, what

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Speaker 1: does that tell you? It tells you that if if

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Speaker 1: you count everything with Caleb Williams by late September early October,

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Speaker 1: will he be the best quarterback in the league? Is

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson? Part of it absolutely is the fact that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't make much money, and you can load the

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Speaker 1: roster up. Part of it absolutely, But you have to

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Speaker 1: consider those things. You can say, well, I mean, who's

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Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback? Well, Brady's probably not, but he

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Speaker 1: was the most productive. He had a coach, he had

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's. He didn't take them all, so like best,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean best? All I'm saying is the

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Speaker 1: numbers that are out on him. He has the lowest

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Speaker 1: interception rate since he entered the league. He never misses

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Speaker 1: a start. He was unbelievable in the fourth he was

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Speaker 1: number two to Stafford on big plays and he's got

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Speaker 1: a tiny caphit. So you can load the roster and

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Speaker 1: maybe the best play caller in the sport. You have

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Speaker 1: to consider all those things. And so I said, forget

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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFC North. Are we very early

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Speaker 1: in next season? I mean, he's got the leading odds

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Speaker 1: to be MVP. Could he be the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league. Here's Matt Hasselbeck.

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Speaker 9: His improvement from year one to year two has been astronomical.

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Speaker 5: Like I've been very, very impressed.

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Speaker 9: They built the team up Ryan Poles built the team

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Speaker 9: up around him in an impressive way. Started up front,

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Speaker 9: Ben Johnson. His impact on Caleb has been incredible. It's

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Speaker 9: fun to watch, exciting. Caleb's got a clutch gene that

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Speaker 9: you don't know if a quarterback has it till you

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Speaker 9: put him in that situation. If he can continue to

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Speaker 9: improve the way he did from your wonder year two

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Speaker 9: to from two to three, then yeah, I think this

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Speaker 9: guy's the limit.

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Speaker 7: But that's not always the case.

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Speaker 9: Some guys sometimes that after that first year of success,

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Speaker 9: it doesn't mean that you're guaranteed to have another great

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Speaker 9: year right after.

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Speaker 1: I stand correct that he's not the MVP favorite. He's

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Speaker 1: the most bet on by the pros and the Joe's.

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Speaker 1: He's getting tons of betting support in that community. He's

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Speaker 1: not the odds on favit, he's the most bet But

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Speaker 1: my take is there's a reason for it is that

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Speaker 1: people are watching the games. They're watching that amazing play

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Speaker 1: against the Rams, They're watching how he played late against

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Speaker 1: Green Bay in the last seven regular season games, and

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Speaker 1: you look up and you're like, Okay, well, he was

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Speaker 1: the fastest player this year in terms of speed la

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. He had the longest completion, lowest interception rate,

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Speaker 1: never misses a start, does not throw a lot of picks.

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Speaker 1: So all those things add up to you tell me.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting is when you talk best quarterback, we

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Speaker 1: don't add in play caller and cap hit. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's the big problem with like like today. If

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Speaker 1: you told me who do I like more, Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: or Caleb Williams, I would say Caleb. And part of

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Speaker 1: it is I like Caleb's play caller and I like

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Speaker 1: Caleb's cap hit. Like Lamar, it's two punitive Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: I still take Josh over Caleb. But there is a

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Speaker 1: reason that Max Crosby would be a perfect fit in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and they probably can't afford him. But they can afford

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Speaker 1: him in Chicago. So you got to count everything, and

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Speaker 1: if you do, and durability and speed and longest completions

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Speaker 1: and most big plays. Second you start adding all that

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Speaker 1: stuff up, you're like, yeah, he's probably a top three

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Speaker 1: or four quarterback next year. And most bet on, not

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Speaker 1: odds on favorite, most bet on. I stand corrected on MVP.

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Speaker 1: All right, j Mac, good stuff. Today. We flew through

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Speaker 1: the show and I'm might so one of the slower weeks.

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Speaker 1: And so so you play.

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Speaker 8: You said you're playing volleyball this afternoon on the beach

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Speaker 8: in uh Shytown.

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Speaker 1: It is I did not wear a second day in

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Speaker 1: a row. Flex did not bring a jacket. Wow in

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Speaker 1: Chicago in mid February.

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Speaker 8: Now, two weeks from now, it might get arctic again,

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Speaker 8: because that's what happens in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It is. The staff is writing it down. Sixty two

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Speaker 1: degree high in Chicago today, downright, ball me?

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 1: Actually it's when you're not getting winds six degrees warmer

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Speaker 1: than Los Angeles, it might be.

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Speaker 7: A good day for a liquid lunch for you.

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Speaker 1: Just tie one on, dude. Every day is a good

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Speaker 1: day for a liquid lunch. It doesn't have to be

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Speaker 1: going into a vacation