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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren.

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Speaker 2: Hey Elizabeth, Nice to see you girl. How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Good to see you. I'm I'm great.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well let's let's say I am.

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Speaker 2: I like to see that.

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Speaker 3: He how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm hanging in there, man, you know, you know me.

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Speaker 4: I'm like a leaf floating on the waters in the gutter.

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Speaker 3: That's right, I'm the smooth stone in the river right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exact job.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I was reading this story and I was thinking, to you,

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Speaker 4: this guy from Texas. He was in the Mall of

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Speaker 4: Millennia in Orlando, Florida. He was in a Tiffany store

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Speaker 4: and he was there and he's like, oh, I'm doing

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Speaker 4: some shopping for a friend.

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Speaker 2: This is why I thought of you.

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Speaker 4: And the friend happened to be an Orlando Magic player,

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Speaker 4: and so he's like, yeah, he wants to get some

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Speaker 4: like expensive ring.

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Speaker 2: So they showed him.

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Speaker 4: They took him to a private viewing room and they

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Speaker 4: showed him this five hundred and eighty seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: diamond ring, two sets of diamond earrings worth collectively a

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Speaker 4: six hundred, nine thousand and one hundred and other sixty thousand, right,

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Speaker 4: so like really expensive stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So while he's discussing like okay, we'll do a wire

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Speaker 4: transfer to Tiffany's from the player, and then people were like, okay,

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Speaker 4: that sounds good. Then he quote out of his seat,

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Speaker 4: grab the jewelry and bolted for the door. Now he

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Speaker 4: starts running. He's in the VIP viewing room. He's got

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Speaker 4: to get through the security in Tiffany, So he does that.

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Speaker 4: He's fighting and pushing through security out of Tiffany's got

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Speaker 4: the diamond rings and the earrings in his like hot fist, right,

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Speaker 4: and he's fighting. He gets to the doors and he

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Speaker 4: managed to free himself from this Tiffany's and the one

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Speaker 4: ring gets knocked out of his hand. He's got the

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Speaker 4: ear rings, right. So then the cops, of course they're

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Speaker 4: on this, so they go and they use a whole

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Speaker 4: like all the network of public safety cameras, like all

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Speaker 4: the traffic cameras. They find his twenty twenty four Mitsubishi

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Speaker 4: Highlander turns out rented vehicle fleeing, right, So they put

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Speaker 4: out an APV on this guy and he is quote

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Speaker 4: taking the fastest route back to Texas The best part

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Speaker 4: is they catch him, right.

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Speaker 2: But when they catch him, he's like, oh whoop.

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Speaker 4: Swallows the diamond ear rings, right, Like that'll get I'll

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Speaker 4: get away with this. That did not work out, right,

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Speaker 4: So the investigators they take them in and they basically

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Speaker 4: tell him that quote, these foeign objects will need to

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Speaker 4: be collected after they are passed through your system. So

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Speaker 4: they just wait about am I going to be This

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Speaker 4: is a direct quote. Am I going to be charged with?

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Speaker 4: What's in my stomach?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm thinking, yeah, bro, So there you go. I

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Speaker 2: thought that was awesome. You know, I just reminded me

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Speaker 2: of you. I don't ask me why I watched TV.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this.

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Speaker 2: I heard that from a friend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just recently watched an episode of Law

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Speaker 3: and Order Criminal Intent.

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Speaker 2: I love that. My favorite other Franchi, one of.

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Speaker 3: The purps, swallowed some diamonds. Jewelers.

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Speaker 2: Look at that.

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Speaker 3: Look at that.

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Speaker 4: It's like we're hacking a little ora borous here, eating

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Speaker 4: our own tail. You're telling the same story I'm telling.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: I do not, Perhaps being too good at counterfeiting. Oh,

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Speaker 3: this is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 3: Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh I know you heard

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Speaker 3: that exactly, I heard it. We like counterfeitters here, don't we.

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Speaker 5: We do.

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Speaker 2: We love the fakers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do feel bad for the people who get

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Speaker 3: the funny money.

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Speaker 2: But it's a.

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Speaker 4: Nonviolent crisis, so it's okay. And I've been the one who,

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Speaker 4: as I've said numerous times, who has received the funny

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Speaker 2: You Knoweah, they suck.

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Speaker 3: We're still above ground. I got that ten spot that

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Speaker 3: one time.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's just like bad weather sometimes you get.

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Speaker 3: Wet, exactly, It's just stuff. I am fascinated though, by

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Speaker 3: the skill that it takes to make a passable.

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Speaker 2: Fake, Yes, I was impressed. Actually, such an.

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Speaker 3: Art to it, and it takes so much talent that

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Speaker 3: should count for something.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: I have a forger for you today, Such an interesting

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Speaker 3: cat gen xer nice, someone with a rough backstory. Love

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Speaker 3: those scrappy yeahdal survivor. His name is Arthur J. Williams Junior,

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Speaker 3: Artie J.

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Speaker 2: Williams Junior Art Williams Art Williams.

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Speaker 3: I like born in the year of the Work of Art,

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two. He's from one of your favorite cities.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Chicago, Chicago, and he.

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Speaker 3: Grew up in the Bridgeport neighborhood. Okay, And we've talked

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Speaker 3: before about like the nature nurture of crime. So there

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Speaker 3: are some of these folks who are just like, they

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Speaker 3: have criming deep within them, and their families are puzzled,

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Speaker 3: and they share none of these felonious feelings. Mama tried

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Speaker 3: and all that. The criminal urge is just part of

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Speaker 2: It's just in there and they gotta let it out.

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Speaker 3: And then there are those born into crime, Yes, those

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Speaker 2: Yes, I tried to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you did. We We have, we all, each one

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Speaker 3: who come from criminal families, but they choose to walk

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Speaker 3: the straight and narrow. They reject the model. Yes, their

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Speaker 3: nature rejects the crime, not art. Williams Junior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at you art. He did not reject crime,

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Speaker 3: Yes, his dad was a bad.

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Speaker 2: Man, nice a chip off the old bad man.

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Speaker 3: Here's a question for you. What's your earliest memory.

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Speaker 4: My earliest memory, I was on my aunt's shoulders in

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Speaker 4: be around like eighteen months old, and I remember all

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Speaker 4: exactly what we did, and that's exactly what it looked like.

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Speaker 4: So my first memory is being with my aunt when

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Speaker 3: Okay, ye, thanks for asking.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, well, Elizabeth, what's yours is?

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Speaker 3: I was I was probably maybe around too, and it

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty amazing that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're really impressive.

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Speaker 3: You contain multiple I impressed myself.

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Speaker 2: Contained unity, just one thing.

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Speaker 3: Unified matter. Art Williams he had a different kind of

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Speaker 2: What was his first memory, Elizabeth, Maybe with the questions

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Speaker 3: You're such a good participant. He remembers sitting in the

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Speaker 3: He also remembers seeing his dad and another dude lift

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Speaker 2: Memory is this dad and.

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Speaker 3: The dad's friend robbing TVs from some.

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Speaker 2: TV's falling off the back of a truck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well his first memory is crime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a good fellow listener.

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Speaker 3: I love that his dad took him along to take

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Speaker 2: It's a good father. He's like, I want to spend

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Speaker 3: Watch how it's done.

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Speaker 2: I got to bring them. I have the option to

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Speaker 2: work where I work. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Art's mom, she was troubled. She was from Texas,

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Speaker 3: and that's not why she was troubled. She was troubled soul.

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two. Let's say so, Art Senior, he took

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Speaker 2: Damn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, your mom's in a mental institution, you're.

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Speaker 3: My girlfriend's way more interesting.

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Speaker 2: Let's do this. She doesn't have to have her diapers changed. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I told you Art Senior bad mans serious. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So there's Art Junior and his two younger siblings. He's

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Speaker 3: living in the projects. It's tough. So before his dad

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: So just before his dad's departure and just an academic,

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Speaker 3: you know, prodigy, Art Junior skipped two grades and got

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Speaker 2: Oh very cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he had this art, this incredible talent, and

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Speaker 3: Stone quote, I learned some basics on it. I guess

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Speaker 3: you could say it planted a kind of seed.

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Speaker 2: So you find exactly.

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Speaker 3: So his dad though out of the picture. Mom struggling

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Speaker 3: to provide for the family. He had to leave the

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the worst. You get attempted, You get to

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Speaker 2: see what your life could be haste of it, and

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Speaker 3: And he was only he was only in the public

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Speaker 3: He has to support the family. He starts robbing parking meters.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he got he got.

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Speaker 3: His hands on some sort of tool that would pop

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Speaker 3: And keep in mind he's fourteen at this point.

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Speaker 2: Good on him. That's what I's family with change from

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Speaker 2: parking meters. Everyone alive.

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Speaker 3: According to Forbes magazine, he didn't really actually drop out

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Speaker 3: No, he was kicked out of high school having gang affiliation.

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Speaker 3: When Williams was seventeen, his mom started dating a man

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and in his first memories his dad doing crime.

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Speaker 3: Exactly the street name Da Vinci is amazing.

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Speaker 3: So Art, He's like, I want it on this. I

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Speaker 3: And so he's like, I want to act as your apprentice,

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Speaker 3: She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I can't let you.

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Speaker 3: So Art goes out and he gets himself a two

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Speaker 3: This is what he said about him. Quote. They were,

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Speaker 3: they had this purple haze to them. I didn't even

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so good. So, with this amazing threat hanging over

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Speaker 2: It feels like an early Scorsce film. I'm loving this.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing sounds like a film's when you.

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Speaker 2: Work at Roger Korman Independent.

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Speaker 3: So Da Vinci he has his own print shop because

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Speaker 3: he's legit. He's a full setup. He takes art there

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Speaker 3: these basic tasks for Da Vinci, and Da Vinci is

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Speaker 2: True to Da Vinci.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he tells them the studio Da Vinci,

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Speaker 2: Great advice, Da Vinci.

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Speaker 4: The work, he said his kids straight, I like it.

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Speaker 3: Straight on the crooked straight. There's so much concentration and

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Speaker 3: attention to detail needed for this work. Yeah, it's almost contemplative,

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Speaker 2: I think so too. I kind of got the idea

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly that that's not an easy path though for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's much more an operator so far. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so he had this knowledge and he had the experience,

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Speaker 2: Brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that brilliant?

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Speaker 2: The ultimate no victim crime?

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Speaker 3: And what are you going to tell you?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: And so he's doing that, he buries his childhood sweetheart.

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Speaker 2: Oh good for her.

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Speaker 3: She knew what she wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: I like an ambitious person, become a cop. That's going

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Speaker 2: to be a problem. That's a little bit wrong ambition

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Speaker 3: And become a cop.

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Speaker 2: She did, Oh, really, does you want to be a

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Speaker 3: She and then they had a kid together, Arthur Williams,

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Speaker 3: the third Okay, And it was then that art.

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Speaker 2: Like a mixed marriage.

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Speaker 3: Now well in art, junior kids born, wife's a cop.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I have to leave the streets behind. I oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: I can't keep robbing drug dealers.

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Speaker 2: That's a good read art.

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Speaker 3: I have to go back to counterfeiting.

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Speaker 2: Half a good rad art.

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Speaker 3: I mean he only goes up to sophomore in high

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Speaker 2: For the guy still, even with his new cop wife.

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Speaker 3: According to Rolling Stone Magazine quote, in nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 3: less than one half of one percent of counterfeitters used

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Speaker 3: desktop publishing equipment, but Williams realized that digital printing was

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Speaker 3: he used a bootleg copy of Adobe Photoshop to touch

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Speaker 6: Wow, he's a good Apple to we like, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: He's running bootleg Photoshop too. Yes, I'm not paying a.

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Speaker 3: No no wait, well that was before they made you

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Speaker 2: You forget every month. I get mad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's super particular and inventive, so he could

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Speaker 3: But it was just innate in him because he that

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Speaker 2: This is now his new medium to work through it

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Speaker 3: He wanted to get absolutely everything right. So for the

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Speaker 3: He was just establishing a background color. Yeah, he had

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Speaker 4: Then he'd use Hindy Wiley working with his background many

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Speaker 3: Then he'd use another printer for the actual details. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely want that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He bribes a worker at the local newspaper like

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Speaker 3: a little bit, yeah, to give him a thousand sheets

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Speaker 3: to the paper. Supplied to the Treasury by Creaming Company.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bit of cotton in it.

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Speaker 3: Right, and they had been the government source for paper

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Speaker 3: Know if that's still true. Does SpaceX make paper?

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything.

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Speaker 3: So, with all the good paper and his careful system,

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Speaker 3: And so with that paper plug, he was now printing

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Speaker 2: But okay, well, I mean you got to leave some

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. So now he's obviously, though, flush with cash.

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Speaker 3: What did his wife think of this?

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Speaker 4: What did his wife the cop think about all this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he doesn't really have a judge. You know,

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Speaker 3: Every day probably, and so it's nineteen ninety three at

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Speaker 3: this point, she's had enough. She's like, I don't trust

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Speaker 2: The recessions on. So it's like hard to get a jet.

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Speaker 3: So she left him. He moved everything in his shop

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Speaker 3: So the crime life lost him, his wife, his true love.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he he's like a child kid.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm walking away from it completely, No more

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Speaker 2: I was guessing he couldn't do it all.

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Speaker 3: He's well, he wasn't counterfeiting, but he was cri He

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Speaker 3: They loved him. They're like, oh, he's so handsome. He's

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Speaker 4: They were stackets and probably the girls.

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Speaker 3: The girls would come on to drug dealers and where

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Speaker 2: Where would they picked these up?

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Speaker 3: Monkey tonk bar gillies. Yeah, So with whaling on in

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Speaker 4: They got off the electric ball and they're like, hell,

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Speaker 3: In the michelobe light.

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Speaker 3: So the drug dealers would pass out and while they're unconscious,

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Speaker 3: Art would swoop in take everything they had.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: According to La magazine, in nineteen ninety four, he was

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Speaker 3: got released in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 2: A couple inside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so out of jail, new lease on life. Art

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Speaker 3: Who's Natalie? Who was one of the Roofie crew.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm glad they made it work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he they'd gotten married while he was behind bars.

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Speaker 4: Oh after Locke, I hear about this. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 3: So they're in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I love Chicago.

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Speaker 3: What to do? Do they go to a Cubs game? Maybe? Yes,

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Speaker 3: counterfeit some currency could SI but it was nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 3: Things to change. Let's pause for some ads, and when

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Speaker 3: together as a team. I love changes me too, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Zarenes so our junior out of prison, back in Chicago, Texas,

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Speaker 2: Back in Cook County.

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Speaker 3: Back not hold right. Because of people like Art, the

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Speaker 3: Their website's still active, by.

452
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 2: The way, Really need to go look at it.

453
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So to improve security, they redesigned the circulating currency.

454
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 2: He changed the game is what you're talking pretty much.

455
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 3: So first up was the one hundred dollars bill. If

456
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 3: you go to b EP dot gov the website, they

457
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 3: have the history of each bill, sure, and you can

458
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 3: see what hundreds look like from nineteen fourteen to today, with

459
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,199
Speaker 3: special attention to the last three iterations. Honestly, like nineteen

460
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,439
Speaker 3: fourteen to nineteen ninety six, look about the same changes.

461
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

462
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 3: Then in ninety six they made Ben Franklin.

463
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 4: Huge severe changes. You remember that it was dumb. It

464
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 4: was like when the brands all a sudden had huge

465
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 4: icons of like that's the giant holo logo.

466
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 2: But Ben Franklin.

467
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 3: Still he's still got those sassy dissatisfied purse lists. Of

468
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 3: course that didn't go away, but there was way more detail.

469
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 3: So this made it harder for copiers and scanners to

470
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,959
Speaker 3: create every line, of course, and there was also micro printing,

471
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 3: super super tiny lettering that even the best computer equipment

472
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 3: couldn't perfectly replicate. And so there was color shifting ink yeah, yeah,

473
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: the bottom right hand.

474
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: You could see the seal, right, no, no, no, that's later.

475
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: Okay, this is the one where the bottom right hand

476
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: corner one hundred would go from green to black. That

477
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 3: moved it. Yeah. So, and then there's a watermark built

478
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 3: into the paper itself.

479
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 2: Did they put the stripe in at this point?

480
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: No, well, there is inside the paper, but not the

481
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 3: not the like hologram one.

482
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that comes later on.

483
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this like, if you hold the bill up

484
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 3: to the light source, you can see the water mark.

485
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

486
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 3: And then there's the innovation of the dry mark pen

487
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: us yellow tip mark. So if you drew a line

488
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 3: on some counterfeit money, the ink would turn brown. That

489
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: was due to the starches in most phony paper money. Yeah,

490
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: so real money has no starch. It's carb free.

491
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: I love that. I love a car free doll.

492
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 3: So the ink is yellow if you put it on

493
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 3: a real bill. And so this was going to be

494
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 3: tough making some of these bills. I had to start

495
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,239
Speaker 3: with the paper, okay. He had to find some with

496
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 3: no starch that could pass the quality test. He and

497
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: Natalie they went to work. So they ordered samples from

498
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: paper companies, but they were smart enough to use fake

499
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: names when they made the orders.

500
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: You want to have it sent to another step.

501
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 3: And with each batch they'd hit the samples with the

502
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: dry mark brown brown brown dratt. Natalie gets really frustrated

503
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: she didn't have Art's patients. She's running around the apartment

504
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 3: marking every piece of paper with a pen like in

505
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: a fury.

506
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 5: She just.

507
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: Exactly she was just like there then she marks a

508
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 3: copy of the Shes. She marks a copy of the

509
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: Chicago Sun Times. Oh yellow, bingo, no starch up in there.

510
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: So she goes down to the loading dock at the

511
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 3: papers printer and bums the end of a roll. No

512
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 3: one cared how much you want for that. But now

513
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: the next challenge the water mark. So first Art steamed

514
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 3: the paper and then carved the mark into it. But

515
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: the paper wouldn't be smooth if you did that, and

516
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: he puzzled over it for months. I have my best

517
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 3: genius ideas in the shower.

518
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 2: Art had his shower thing.

519
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: I am a shower thinker.

520
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: I would not have guessed that. Well, now you know

521
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: he's half a bottle.

522
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: Art had his and his dreams.

523
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: He's like Tesla.

524
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he quote he saw quote two pieces of

525
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: paper with the watermark sitting between them. So he woke

526
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: up in the morning, tells Natalie. She carefully drew a

527
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: faint image of Ben Franklin onto a piece of tissue paper,

528
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: Art cut it out, glued it between two sheets of newsprint. Quote.

529
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: The moment we saw it, we knew it would work.

530
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you imagine that moment if here

531
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: as counterfeitters just like these is helping them.

532
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: So by using two sheets, they had figured out how

533
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: to beat the watermark. They also there was a security

534
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: thread in the field bill, so he had originally planned

535
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: to skip it because it.

536
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: You know, it would be really difficult. It was put

537
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: in there specifically to be very difficult.

538
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: But instead he was able to print his own threads

539
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: using fluorescent ink and then insert them between the sheets.

540
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: This feels like more than one hundred dollars worth of

541
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: work for each hundred dollars bill.

542
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: I was just thinking the same thing. But then again,

543
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: he's making he guess he's making individually, not making sheets. No, yeah,

544
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: he's making like individual.

545
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: So he's inserting the ink between the sheets. He's a

546
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: roofy boy on the streets. Fluorescent ink between the sheets

547
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: for that color shifting ink being black, he used metallic

548
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: automobile paint.

549
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: Had that, Yeah, like the irides in effect.

550
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he headed over to Kinko's and had them

551
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: make a stamp in the same size and font as

552
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: US currency. And that's what he like. He would stamp

553
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: that and then print it onto the bill. And then

554
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: lastly there's the microt.

555
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: He's a process incredible, so.

556
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: That he has to microprint now. To solve that problem,

557
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: he hired a crew. The Keebler Elves had hit a

558
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: rough patch and they needed money. No, Saren, that's.

559
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: Not I thought there was another crew he ran. He's like, oh,

560
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: I got the other crew on.

561
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: The crew he used was photoshop. So he used photoshop

562
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: to sort of riff on the look of tiny words

563
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: on Ben Franklin's collar, and it was totally convincing to

564
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: the naked eye, like you'd have to whip out a

565
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: magnifying glass in order to be able to see the difference. So,

566
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: with all the components in place, he starts production. He

567
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: had an offset press to color the paper like in

568
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: the old days. Then he glued that paper to a

569
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: thicker carrier sheet so that the printer wouldn't jam, and

570
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: he'd print each side of a bill on its own sheet.

571
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: Then he would trim off the carrier sheet, put the

572
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: watermark and the thread between the sheets, then glue it

573
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: all together. And then to complete the process, he'd cover

574
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 3: them with this hardening spray to get the right text.

575
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: That's what I was wondering. How you stamp press it

576
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: and then make them hot?

577
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 3: And he would then use the stamp that he made.

578
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 3: He flattened the bills on a little steel press that.

579
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: They feel new totally.

580
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: And you know what I always like to say to

581
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: quote Drew Down in his classic hit play It for Real,

582
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: as you always say of my dead President's crispy yes

583
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: you do girl. So these were primo bills. He told

584
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone about seeing that first series of one hundred

585
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: dollars bills. Quote, it was scary just looking at it.

586
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: I knew it would change things. I was like the

587
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: caveman discovering fire.

588
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: He has all these great moments, the aha moments, the.

589
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: Clouds part, the shaft of light illuminates him.

590
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 3: He was doing all of this, mind you, in motels

591
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: on portable printers.

592
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: Hell.

593
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he didn't have to run a shot. He'd

594
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: run off like fifty sixty grand and then he'd box

595
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: up the equipment because it was all small.

596
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: Any places where people don't want to ask questions.

597
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: Right, So from Rolling Stone quote, they roamed the back

598
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: roads at a leisurely pace all week, lingering in towns

599
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: they liked. They'd go mountain climbing in Wyoming or hit

600
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: the beach in Miami. It was total freedom. Recalls Natalie.

601
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 3: We'd go wherever we wanted and not even pack. We'd

602
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: just buy closed or care supplies along the way, road

603
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: trip America life. So they had to clean the cash though,

604
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: of course, and the best place to do that was

605
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: that like older out of the way strip malls, because

606
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: there's there are no cameras, not a lot of foot traffic.

607
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: And they'd put on disguises go shopping. They had character backstories, commitment.

608
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: I would pretend to be like a beleaguered husband who's

609
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: just born out from a day of shopping, and so

610
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: he'd stand outside while the little lady went in and

611
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: bought stuff.

612
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: Natural cover story.

613
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: She would pick stuff out with a total of less

614
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: than twenty dollars and say she only had honeys on

615
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: her and the cashiers they'd run the pen over her bill,

616
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: check the watermarks, everything's in order. There you go. So

617
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: then Natalie would get her change and whatever chotchkey she'd

618
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 3: picked up be out the door. And they were pulling

619
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: in around three grand in cash each day that they

620
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: did this.

621
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: Wow, and they're pulling and they're usually spending one hundred

622
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: dollars thirty times.

623
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, this is a full.

624
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: It's a they are they are, I don't know how

625
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 3: how break even they are and exactly.

626
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 4: And they're basically self employed. So the thing to get

627
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: out of this is traveling footloose and fancy free.

628
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: That really seems to be no bosses. And like some

629
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: of the other counterfeiters that I've told you about, they

630
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: have a bunch of junk that they don't want as

631
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: a result.

632
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: Yes, of course they got to be.

633
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: They're living on the road. So Rolling Stone detailed the

634
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: list of what they're getting candles, cheap shoes, books, scarves, hats, junk, jewelry, perfume,

635
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: pocket knives, ceeds, neckties, dolls, toys, wine, bath oils and soap.

636
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: All this stuff. This stuff, it's just taking up too

637
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: much room. And they didn't want to just dump it

638
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: because if people start finding the dump.

639
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: Stuff, women's shelters.

640
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: Know what they figured out they could do. They started

641
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: buying baby clothes and toys and stuff like that and

642
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: then took them and donated them at the end the move.

643
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: That's a bright spot.

644
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: And people needed so much that they're not going to

645
00:28:59,000 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: be thinking.

646
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: Some crawling around wearing an ill gotten onesie.

647
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: And I'm loving that too. I'm like, yeah, so if the.

648
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: Two of them they could clear three thousand dollars in

649
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 3: a day, how much more could they make with a

650
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: team of shoppers.

651
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: They start thinking, I'm imagining like tens of thousands.

652
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: Well, they asked family members who weren't snitches to help

653
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: them out.

654
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: Important.

655
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they would fan out to like bigger towns

656
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: and cities.

657
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: People, by the way, on that in your family, like honey,

658
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: you know, soft introduced the hey, you like you travel

659
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: on the summer.

660
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: You like shopping?

661
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they go out.

662
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: They'd spend, spend, spend, and they did this for years.

663
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: Art created almost five million dollars in thing bills in

664
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: the first two years. Wow, in nine years that they

665
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: were doing They're going to do.

666
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: The work of printing and turning over the money. Incredible.

667
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: In nine years, it's estimated he made up to ten

668
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: million dollars in phony cash. Ten mill So the numbers

669
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: made him, according to authorities, one of the most successful

670
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: American counterfeiters of the last twenty.

671
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Five Oh yeah, he's got to be top ten, maybe

672
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: top five. I don't know, he's up there.

673
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: So, of course, if you're in that position, organized crime

674
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: comes called. Oh of course, they offered to set him up.

675
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: I appreciate your work. We'd like to talk to you

676
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: about getting the James.

677
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: They're like, we'll give you three hundred thousand dollars and

678
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: we'll also set you up in a villa anywhere in

679
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: the world that you want. You'll start churning this stuff out.

680
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: You don't have to be in America. That's good for

681
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: tradition laws.

682
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: They wanted to buy his equipment. He passed. He's like, no, really,

683
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: to be my own boy.

684
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be greedy. He's listening to Da

685
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: Vinci's rule, right.

686
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: A counterfeit specialist at the Secret Service in Washington, d C.

687
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: Said quote, I'd rate his bills an eight or nine.

688
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Now, that's hot. They need to give him that.

689
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: In fact, a perfect ten is known as a supernote,

690
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: and only one of them is known to exist, one ever,

691
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: and it's been printed in huge amounts. Okay, And because

692
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: the North Korean government got a hold of a ten

693
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: million dollar press, just like the one used by the

694
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

695
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: So there's that they bought the machine.

696
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: They bought the machine.

697
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: This is the drill that dug the channel.

698
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: This is the other drill from the other side.

699
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: So Art's bills their eights are nine. But they still

700
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: had some trouble. According to La magazine quote, his fakes

701
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 3: weren't infallible. He couldn't assemble or spend his bills in

702
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: humid climates because they would unravel. A friend splurging at

703
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: a bachelor party learned this the hard way after a

704
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: run in with the Jamaica Constabulary Force. No, oh, no mon.

705
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: Things were going well until they almost went very wrong.

706
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: See Art, He was like pretty flirty with Natalie's sister, Amy,

707
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 3: and Art later explained quote, Me and Amy had gotten

708
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: very close. We'd never done nothing, but I had taken

709
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: her out to dinner. Maybe we had talked sexy to

710
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: each other. Nothing real major. You gotta understand that I

711
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: love my wife.

712
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

713
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: We talked sexy to each other. Ny was sexy to

714
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: each other and not at each other or.

715
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: On each other. We talked sexy on each other.

716
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: So Amy, like Art had these clients and he would

717
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: sell he'd sell the money off to them, and she

718
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: came along with him to a meeting with some of

719
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: these clients. Once who buddy zaren close.

720
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Your eyes, Oh yeah, I.

721
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: Want you to picture it. It's February two thousand and one,

722
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: oh an innocent time. You are a fake one hundred

723
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: dollars bill made just the other day by none other

724
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: than Art Williams Junior. You're in the club at the

725
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: House of Blues in Chicago, tuck neatly in Amy's handbag.

726
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: She's there with Art as well as a couple of Russians.

727
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: You were just up in Art in Amy's room upstairs,

728
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: brokering a deal for the Russians to take your brothers

729
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: and sisters in Duffel back on an adventure. You had

730
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: been peeled off earlier and shoved into Amy's bag, and

731
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: there you sit next to a mac lipstick. The club

732
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: music pounding, everyone enjoying their drinks. After a few hours

733
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: of this, the group heads back upstairs. It's a quiet

734
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: ride up in the elevator. You all head into the

735
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: hotel room and Art offers everyone to join. The Russians

736
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: decline they'd be back tomorrow with the real money they

737
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: were gonna pay Art for a fake money. They leave,

738
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: and Amy heads to the bathroom to change into a robe.

739
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: She likes to be comfortable. What can you say, Art,

740
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: starts to roll a dooby on the nightstand. Suddenly there's

741
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: a knock on the door. Amy comes breezing out of

742
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: the bathroom and goes to open it. Art was just

743
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: about to tell her not to, but he's too late.

744
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: Amy opens the door and four Chicago cops are standing there.

745
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: There was a report of loud music and shouting. One

746
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: of them says, you can't believe they'd send four cops

747
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: for that. They pushed past Amy and head into the room.

748
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: Art sits stunned as everyone looks over at the nightstand

749
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: and the bag of weeds sitting on it busted. They

750
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: cuff him and declare they're searching the room. An officer

751
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: walks over to the Duffel bag intended for the Russians.

752
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: He unzips it all eyes wide, stacks and stacks of

753
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: hundreds your brethren and sistern. He lifts the stack of

754
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: bills out of the bag and smiles at his partners.

755
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: What have we got here? Amy starts crying. Only you

756
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: can hear the silent screams of the bills as the

757
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: cops thumb through them. They know they will eventually be incinerated.

758
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Not cozy and smooth leather wallets or tucked in saves

759
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: or in happy graduation cards. It's chilling and that sound

760
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: will stay with you for the rest of your life.

761
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: So Art gets nabbed, Oh, it gets busted in Chicago of.

762
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: This, he said quote, I was busted with sixty thousand

763
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: dollars in counterfeit while in a hotel room with my

764
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: wife's semi naked sister. That was not just a bust,

765
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: It was a double bus.

766
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: It was ugly when you put it that way, son, right.

767
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: So Art and Amy they were smart about one thing.

768
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: They didn't say anything to the cops. In their first

769
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: court appearance, the prosecution claimed that when Amy opened the door,

770
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: the police saw the drugs on the night stand, and

771
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: that's probable cause for a search. But Art's lawyer knew better.

772
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: He did his research and was able to prove that

773
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 3: the nightstand wasn't visible from the door. Wow, boom, No

774
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: PC searches, fruit of the poison, Try illegal search and

775
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: caes are. Case dismiss Thank you, you're honor eye object

776
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: case closed. Wait, yeah, so the bills in the satchel

777
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: were in fact burned, pretend to six years up in smoke.

778
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, they got the case dismissed. So this whole

779
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: episode drove Art back to Texas. He needed to regroup,

780
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: and while he was there, he saw something, something that

781
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: would change his life. It was the nineteen eighty seven

782
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: Sylvester Stallone hit film Over the Top. And I know

783
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: you think I'm pulling another goof on you with that,

784
00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: but I am not.

785
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: I can actually enjoy this.

786
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: You can enjoy this one.

787
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: I love when life is changed like this.

788
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: He's watching TV. He sees the movie about the arm wrestling.

789
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 3: He's trying to reconnect with the son that he left mine.

790
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: He saw it and he knew he had to find

791
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: his dad.

792
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: I'm sorry I shouldn't, but I had a friend who

793
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: had a very similar art.

794
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: So let's take a break. When we get back, we're

795
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: gonna find Art Senior. If it's the last thing we do.

796
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 6: Powerful movie, alright, Zara Elizabeth so Art Junior has to

797
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 6: find an art Senior.

798
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: He needs to go over the it was foretold.

799
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: By sliced Alone meant to be. So Art found his dad.

800
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: Why are you here? I still won't I'm going over

801
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: the top.

802
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: He finds his dad, not Chicago, non Texas, in Alaska.

803
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: Wow, he ran fall.

804
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: He ran far, Art Junior and Natalie, who was still

805
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: with him at that point.

806
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding Natalie.

807
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: They go north to the future to see Pops okay,

808
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: and it was there that Junior told Senior that he

809
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: was a counterfeitter.

810
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Dad, I'm a counterfeitter. Are you proud of me?

811
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: Are you?

812
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: Are you mad? You ran away? According to we could

813
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: have done together.

814
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: According to Art Junior quote, he got that glow in

815
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: his face and asked if I could make more. I

816
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: wish he would have said no, son, it's time to stop,

817
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: but he didn't. I looked at it like my dad

818
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: was interested in something I was doing. I wanted to

819
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: make him proud.

820
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh, it's such a summer. Yeah, I know.

821
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 4: He finds his dad, he wants to have that moment

822
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: of bonding and his dad's like, you are my golden ticket.

823
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Yes, golden is my money tree.

824
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: And so Junior setup shop got to work.

825
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: Of course he did.

826
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: He started work on sixty grand. Now, this was the

827
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: new bill operation he'd created because he didn't bring.

828
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: All that stuff. He's working out of Alaska, right.

829
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: So he had to make some circa nineteen ninety three

830
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: bills and they could be old and well worn, easier,

831
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: and when the printing was done, Senior's like, you know what,

832
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: your secret's safe with me?

833
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, oh no no.

834
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: So these two they all take turns floating the bills

835
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: around town and it works.

836
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: Like anchorage or something enough town that they're not going to.

837
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: Be like, no one seems to notice. And then Art

838
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: Senior let it slip to some friends that he had

839
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: some fake cash on him. Did they want to pass

840
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: some of it for him? Like he'll split the change

841
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: with him? Bad move. So at two different stores, cashiers

842
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: knew something was off, like the prince fuzzy, The paper

843
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: doesn't feel right. And I'm guessing that Art Junior and

844
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: Natalie were used to passing the bad bills and it

845
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: created like really magnetic charismatically, you know, but not memorable character.

846
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: You need a moment to transfix it. They're not looking

847
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: at the mine, so they had.

848
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: To keep the clerks from Yeah, they don't want to

849
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: notice anything amiss. And I'm guessing that Art seniors pals

850
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: weren't as slick.

851
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: I bet they were nervous. They showed up wearing their

852
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: own clothes.

853
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: I want some gum staring at the bill while they

854
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: handed over so two of Senior's friends, they get busted

855
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: at them all and they squealed, immediately got the cash.

856
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Then they flipped and they wore wires for the Secret Service.

857
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: Their phones were tapped. Evidence was collected. Pretty soon everyone's arrested,

858
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: Art Senior and his wife, Art Junior and Natalie. Natalie

859
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: escaped charges because Art Junior took a plea deal that

860
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 3: said specifically, you don't charge.

861
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: Natalie got on him.

862
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 3: I like the rest of them, everyone else does time.

863
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: And the day that Art Junior left prison in two

864
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: thousand and four, his dad died of a heart attack

865
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: in jail.

866
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: What tragic.

867
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm over here still thinking about how Natalie and

868
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: Art have a real love where she and he, she

869
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: stays with him, he doesn't flip on her. And then

870
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: you hit me with this.

871
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 3: Yeah it is cinematic, is it?

872
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

873
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: Yes, so our Junior. He was profiled by Rolling Stone

874
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: magazine interviewed in two thousand and four, came out in

875
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. He would be again profiled twenty

876
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: years later same magazine.

877
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Interesting.

878
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: In the article in two thousand and four two thousand

879
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: and five, he told journalist Jason Kirsten that he had

880
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: gone straight no more counterfeiting, Saren, he was still counterfeiting. No,

881
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: so like in between the interview.

882
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: And when the article comes out that quick.

883
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still like This is according to the Chicago

884
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 3: Tribune quote. With the profiles still on newstands. In two

885
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: thousand and five, he was at it again, producing at

886
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: least eighty nine thousand dollars in counterfeit bills before he

887
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: was arrested in Chicago in the summer of two thousand

888
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 3: and six.

889
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: The ink was still drying on y so he gets.

890
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: Another year out of it. But why the desperate need

891
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: to make all that cash?

892
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: Oh no.

893
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: It turns out his oldest son, Arthur Williams the Third,

894
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: wanted to be a rapper.

895
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: Okay, we he didn't need like an operation. He wanted

896
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: a rap Yeah.

897
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wants to be like the next great.

898
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: White rapes up.

899
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: So and juniors like, I want to finance that.

900
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: I want to produce it. I want to you like father, like.

901
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: Son, or like Da Vinci and his girlfriends.

902
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: Roll doobies all the time. It'll be perfect.

903
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: But art juniors like, all right, son, come with me.

904
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna teach you how to counterfeit?

905
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: Wow.

906
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets Art the Third.

907
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: And he's like, you're gonna need money if you want

908
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: to be a musician.

909
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so Art the Third, you know Art Trey

910
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: the Rapper, Trip old Trip, Yeah, he put more a trip.

911
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: They get into an argument. He and his dad get

912
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: into an argument. No, yeah, and uh Art the Third

913
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: lashes out. By lashes out. He walks up to a

914
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 3: Chicago cop hands him this huge wad of phony bills

915
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: and it's like, my dad made these.

916
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Are you get out of town? Are you kidding?

917
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: I am serious.

918
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: Guy has no luck with his son and his father.

919
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: There has to be a family code, dude, I'm dying.

920
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: Like in my family, you can complain about a family

921
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 3: member all you want within the family, but you never

922
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: say a word against that family member outside. Keep it

923
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: in house, and you defend family members to outsiders, even

924
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: if you know they're right totally. Like the Gate family

925
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: got the same rule. Yeah, so you're mad at your dad,

926
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: go rap about it. Don't go to the cops.

927
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got sixteen bars rappin'.

928
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: But don't begive specifics anyway. So the cops they showed

929
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: up at Art Junior's place, and of course all the

930
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: equipment's there.

931
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: They should have been contacting the insane clown posse and

932
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 4: getting into the studio.

933
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: Exact some studio time.

934
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: Suddenly we got a super citizen.

935
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: We have the cops come and go to Art Juniors.

936
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 3: He gets arrested because all the stuff's there. He pleads

937
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: guilty to the charges. According to the Chicago Tribune in

938
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, quote, prosecutors alleged that since Williams,

939
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: thirty four, pleaded guilty to those counterfeiting charges in February,

940
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: he still may have been pumping out counterfeit twenty and

941
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars bills while free on bail. Federal agents

942
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: recovered an additional one hundred and twelve thousand dollars in

943
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: counterfeit bills that match the characteristics of those Williams produces,

944
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: and his fingerprints were found on two of them.

945
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 4: Prosecutors said, legal defenses are not cheap, Elizabeth the man

946
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 4: made the little money, and the lawyers will not take

947
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 4: faked oh.

948
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: Art Junior sentenced to seven years yes Art the third

949
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: he caught a conviction for county in two thousand and nine.

950
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: A couple years later, in fact, while for a while.

951
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: The two of them were locked up in the same

952
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: federal pen in Forest City, Arkansas. Oh my god, Art

953
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: Junior said, the thing.

954
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: They spoke in there, who knows you staying your cell

955
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: block on stare mind, dad, Art.

956
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: Junior said, The third time in jail hit a little different.

957
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: I bet he's getting older, he told Art Space.

958
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: Quote. When I got caught counterfeiting, the judge asked to

959
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: look at one of the bills to see it for himself.

960
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: He looked at it and said, this could have fooled me.

961
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: You are really good at this. Then he asked me

962
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: how long did it take you to figure out how

963
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: to do this? And I told him fifteen years, And

964
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: he said, have you ever thought of what you could

965
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: have done if you'd spent all that time doing something good?

966
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: That hit me really hard. It really did. I hadn't

967
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: thought about it like that. So when I went to

968
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: prison for seven years, I went in with a different

969
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: mindset than when I did the first two times. I

970
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: knew that I needed to make use of my time

971
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: in there, so I started reading about all the great artists.

972
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: I started from the beginning with the Renaissance painters. I

973
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: connected to Leonardo da Vinci the most. That was kind

974
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: of my style. But I also really liked Andy Warhol.

975
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: I didn't really like how he treated people, but I

976
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: liked that he had a factory and that he printed

977
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: a lot because I was a printer. I spent seven

978
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: years in prison painting and coming up with my technique.

979
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: That's so cool, that neat.

980
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: So he gets released.

981
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: I'm glad that he had to embrace his artist self

982
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: after all of this. Ye you know what I mean.

983
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: So he gets out of prison in twenty thirteen, and

984
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: he took out a one hundred thousand dollars loan from

985
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: some gangsters to start counterfeiting again. You totally hooked me,

986
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: I know you like, Hey, he does it to everybody,

987
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: so he said. Quote. After about six months, I finally

988
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: had everything. I had a digital plate burner, I had

989
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: the press working, I had the old computer making digital

990
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: files for my serial numbers and everything down. Man, and

991
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: then I get this feeling I'm being watched. Oh no,

992
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: So he had to trust the animal brain, so he did.

993
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: He trusted it. He laid low for a couple of weeks,

994
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: and then he started to get comfortable again, eased up,

995
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: and his fluorescent ink arrived like, yay, we love a

996
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: good package delivery that with us. So his son stopped

997
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: by to say hello to chat. He'd been a good

998
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: boy since getting out.

999
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad they worked on their body.

1000
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: No crime for the third, right, Sure, he sees his

1001
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: dad's operation and just like lost.

1002
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: His shoes about it. Are you kidding me?

1003
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: He I won't quote him yelling at his dad because

1004
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: that would be a lot of bleeps and I've hit

1005
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: a couple already. Basically, he told him to be a

1006
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: real man and get a real job, a couch and

1007
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: like the little rat snitch that he was. He also

1008
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 3: said he was going to go tell his mom Julio

1009
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: remember is a cop.

1010
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still a cop.

1011
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: So then he ran off to his car just zoomed away.

1012
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: And it turns out Art the Third did not report

1013
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: his father to the cops.

1014
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Art.

1015
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: Junior was actually this time a change man after their exchange. Wow,

1016
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: and he managed to get out of the work with

1017
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: the gangsters. He did this, he told them like, I

1018
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: think I'm being watched and it's too hot. I don't

1019
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna be able to pay you back. The

1020
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: gangsters they knew that he was also painting actual art,

1021
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: and they were absolutely sure.

1022
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: He was going to make it.

1023
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: In exchange for the money he couldn't return to them.

1024
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 3: They bought his paintings. They bought four paintings. I love

1025
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 3: this art, said quote.

1026
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: It was the weirdest moment of my life. He has

1027
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: so many great moments.

1028
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 3: So this was his first big art sale. Four paintings

1029
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: for one hundred thousand. Yes, he's got patrons and he

1030
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: escaped with his life.

1031
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he got out of all of his like,

1032
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: you know, complicity of you know too much and all that.

1033
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 3: So he gave up counterfeiting after that exchange with his son.

1034
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, now he's an artist. He's selling.

1035
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. He got little jobs here and there. He worked

1036
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: in an art gallery. He did the most valiant of

1037
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: work and painted houses.

1038
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, I love right.

1039
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen, the beautiful his own house burned down,

1040
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: and it was a sort of cleansing moment for him. Oh,

1041
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: he decided that he had to paint full time. He

1042
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: still had to live. That's not easy as an artist.

1043
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: There aren't a lot of patrons out there willing to support.

1044
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can only find so many gangsters.

1045
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: You are going to buy, but so he shared his

1046
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: dream in his intent with this dude, Frank Girolamo. He

1047
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: Frank's a businessman who'd hooked Art up with construction gigs

1048
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: in the past. And according to Rolling Stone quote, what

1049
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: if I paid you a salary to paint? Give you

1050
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: a space here in the office, Frank said, for the

1051
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: past few months he had been quietly watching Art break

1052
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 3: his back at construction sites, then go home every night

1053
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 3: to paint. He was impressed with Art's work ethic and

1054
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: his paintings, and had attended a couple of small showings.

1055
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: You don't even know me that well, Art said, tearing up.

1056
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: You'd do that for me, Just paint, Frank told him.

1057
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: If it doesn't work out, we can always go back

1058
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: to painting houses.

1059
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: Oh my, I'm god gonna get this.

1060
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if it's on, it's really beautiful.

1061
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: I hope it is.

1062
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: I don't anyone, but whatever, but it looks it looks

1063
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: like Frank was sincere and upbreaths meet people like that. Yes,

1064
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: here he becomes a patron. Art ended up going to

1065
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: Art Basle in Miami. Wow, which is probably like a

1066
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 3: whole other episode of Scammy Crime. And it was there

1067
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 3: that Art meets this executive at a jet rental company,

1068
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: which is like the most Miami ar fossel.

1069
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1070
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: So the guy he offers to throw a charity auction

1071
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: for art at the Miami Opa Laca Executive Airport.

1072
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about that before.

1073
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: Art sold some pieces there and he made good connections.

1074
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 3: He met a woman who worked at after School All Stars.

1075
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: That's Arnold Schwarzenegger's nonprofit. So he worked with them for this.

1076
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: You know, he does this charity work and it winds

1077
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: up exposing his work to all these celebrities.

1078
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course.

1079
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: He takes all this money that he's been making for

1080
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: the paintings. He goes back to Bridgeport in Chicago and

1081
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: he opens Da Vinci's gallery. Oh I love this, but

1082
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 3: then says twenty seventeen, a couple of years COVID shutdowns

1083
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: really do a number on stuff like galleries. Yeah, so

1084
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: he decided to close up shop there for good and

1085
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: head out to Los Angeles, as one does. But by

1086
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: this time he has a new wife, a wrapping son,

1087
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: two new kids, and in addition to the four others,

1088
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: one of whom is a rap rep wrapper. Wow, it

1089
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: looks like he's doing really well. He has a lot

1090
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 3: of celebrity clients, people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Floyd Mayweather, Rashaan Evans,

1091
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: Jason Statham, Roy Jones, Junior, Rosie Rios. They all have

1092
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: the paintings hanging in their homes, a lot of tough

1093
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: guys like yeah, and he's even sold some pieces to

1094
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: commercial properties, including banks. Well, yeah, some of them hang

1095
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: in banks.

1096
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: Which just amazing.

1097
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 3: That's great, irony, Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1098
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 4: This is an amazing arc, Elizabeth, Like you have brought

1099
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: sunshine into my day.

1100
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: This is a happy ending.

1101
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do we get a happy end?

1102
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 4: And then the sole conversion that he gets to be

1103
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: an artist and then celebrated in his own lifetime and

1104
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: he gets both Stallone and Schwarzenegger to come into his

1105
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: world and be incredible moments Like I just you know,

1106
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: I'm loving this.

1107
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway? Elizabeth?

1108
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: I think you know some people, you know, you'd say, like,

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Speaker 3: if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck

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Speaker 3: at all. Well, his swings on this pendulum. He's had

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Speaker 3: the worst of luck and the best of luck totally,

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Speaker 3: and you know it's just impressive, Like what he's able

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Speaker 3: to do with this talent and all of the times

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Speaker 3: that he bumps up against things that can send him

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Speaker 3: on the straight and narrow and he doesn't do it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And I love that. It's the interaction with his son,

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Speaker 3: and you see this like this thread going through the

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Speaker 3: family where it's like he was able to kind of

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Speaker 3: help his son go straight and then his son helps him.

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Speaker 2: I think that's so much ping pong of the son.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing stories.

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Speaker 2: Williams three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm I'm stoked for him and I hope

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Speaker 3: everything continues to go well for him.

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Speaker 2: Same awesome guy. Give me a shout out from the

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Speaker 2: Arsenal Crew milkshake, duck me.

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Speaker 3: You know what I need, Dave, I need to talk back.

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Speaker 5: You got it, O God, I love you, Hi, Zaron

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Speaker 5: Producer d Elizabeth.

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Speaker 7: I have a Marshawn factoid for you. My sister used

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Speaker 7: to work in the building above Marshawn store called Beast Mode.

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Speaker 7: It was in downtown Oakland. Anyways, she would know he

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Speaker 7: was there because one of his cars would be parked

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Speaker 7: out front. Rolls Royce Bentley, Maybach. Yeah, he has helicrs. Anyways,

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Speaker 7: all of his cars have stars on the roof of

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Speaker 7: the interior. That's pretty ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Bye, I love so like in like your middle school bedroom,

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Speaker 3: like yeah, in the dark, stars above him.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: I know where the beast Mode store is.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that story. Thank you and the sub

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Speaker 3: he has helicrs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Girl, Uh that's it for today. You can find us

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Speaker 3: online at ridiculous Crime dot com, which just won new

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Speaker 3: award just came in like ten minutes ago, the East

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Speaker 2: so good.

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Speaker 3: at ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. You can also

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Speaker 3: leave a talkback on the iHeart app and reach out.

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