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Speaker 1: Mel here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: When I think of a holograph, I think of, for example,

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Speaker 2: on the credit card, that image, you know, that makes

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Speaker 2: it more secure, I suppose, And now they're using it

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Speaker 2: on currency money. Holographs often they're produced or I think

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Speaker 2: they're entirely produced by lasers. And I'm also thinking of

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a digital aspect to them. So you know,

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Speaker 2: when I think of digital, I think of ones and zeros.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, if you scratch beneath the surface, then

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Speaker 2: are we going to find like ones and zeros as

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Speaker 2: in the matrix of our universe?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, we're finding mathematical codes throughout the known universe.

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Speaker 3: We're finding zeros and ones on the Once the observer

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Speaker 3: collapses the waves of superposition into reality, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you're touching on the hologram itself. One we were talking about.

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Speaker 3: It's basically created when a laser beam is split into

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Speaker 3: two parts, and so one part shigns are directly on

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Speaker 3: the object and the other shines onto a photographic plate.

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Speaker 3: And when these two light waves meet, they interfere and

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Speaker 3: create a pattern of light, and basically the dark lines

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Speaker 3: are called an interference pattern. This interference pattern has to

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Speaker 3: do with projecting the actual hologram. When another laser laser

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Speaker 3: shines through the recorded interference pattern, it recreates the light waves,

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Speaker 3: making it appear as if the object is present in

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Speaker 3: three D, and so it has a similar effect that

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Speaker 3: we see within the universe and digital medium. For example,

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Speaker 3: a hologram is unique because even if you break it

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Speaker 3: into smaller pieces, it still contains the entire image, the

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Speaker 3: same way as if you're using parabolic downton version with lasers. Also,

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Speaker 3: we see the complexity and also the simplicity between the two.

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Speaker 3: Both holograms and fractals emerge from simple rules, and we

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Speaker 3: can see that these mathematical codes are embedded within nature itself.

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Speaker 3: So we can see several patterns within nature. We can

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Speaker 3: see Pi five, we can see the Fibonacci sequence. We

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Speaker 3: can also see the Golden ratio, and of course we

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Speaker 3: can see the Mandel broad set. So when you look

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Speaker 3: at all of these things, all of a sudden, you're

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Speaker 3: finding out that there's a fingerprint. If the universe. If

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Speaker 3: the creation of the universe was a crime scene, and

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Speaker 3: we were CSI universal investigators, the evidence left behind a

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Speaker 3: fingerprint of a creator would be these mathematical codes and

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Speaker 3: of course zeros and one two digital bits of information.

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Speaker 2: So if there is a code, there must be a programmer. Who,

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Speaker 2: who or what is responsible?

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Speaker 3: That is the great question that we seek to ponder

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Speaker 3: within my book Fractal Holographic Universe. Who is the pro Now,

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Speaker 3: for some people, they believe it's God, they believe it's

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Speaker 3: the universe, some people call it nature, whatever you call it,

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Speaker 3: there obviously clearly is a programmer. So I believe there's

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Speaker 3: a programmer. And from my perception, I'm calling that a God,

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Speaker 3: because a god at that level, an entity at that level,

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Speaker 3: has the power to program an entire universe. So I

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Speaker 3: believe that there's a God. I believe that there's a

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Speaker 3: God that's imbued this universe with divine energy and fractal holography.

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Speaker 3: And we're living fully immersed in this fractal holographic matrix,

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Speaker 3: but we're in viue with divine energy, that spark of

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Speaker 3: life that's within all of us, that's within every vibrating

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Speaker 3: at them. And I believe that God is us and

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Speaker 3: we are godre We're a fractal of God itself. Living

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Speaker 3: life subjectively and individually with the illusion of individuality here

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Speaker 3: and the third dimension to experience what it's like, like

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Speaker 3: I said earlier, to be us, to be individuals, and

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Speaker 3: to be other things. And so who is that grand creator?

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a question that we truly cannot exactly answer.

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Speaker 3: But to put a label on it, I would just

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Speaker 3: say that that creator is God. That's the one mass

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Speaker 3: known uh in spirituality, consciousness that permeates all of reality.

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Speaker 2: Now, not to be flippant, but when I'm thinking of

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Speaker 2: a coder, you know, I'm thinking of someone sitting behind

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Speaker 2: whatever the computer ink which you're using to code. I mean,

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Speaker 2: how do you see this? How do you see God?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. I actually see God as

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Speaker 3: a super divine being that has the capability of utilizing

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Speaker 3: these codes, not by sitting at some type of grand

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Speaker 3: universal computer or a multi versal computer, but probably through

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Speaker 3: frequency technology. Frequency and sound. We know that through cimatic frequencies.

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Speaker 3: So if you take cladney plate and put a speaker

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Speaker 3: geometrical patterns, the same patterns that create life in the

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Speaker 3: third dimension. And in the Bible it says in the

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Speaker 3: beginning was the word, and the word was God the word?

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Speaker 3: What is the word? If somebody is speaking a word,

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Speaker 3: that word is a frequency. All words, all spoken word

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Speaker 3: are frequencies. So now we're getting into the age of

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Speaker 3: frequency healing in actual mainstream science and mainstream health where

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Speaker 3: they're utilizing frequencies two to break down cancer cells and

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Speaker 3: So they are children that frequencies have power. They can

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Speaker 3: so I believe that this divine codeer is using specific

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Speaker 3: it has to do also with the frequencies creating these crystals.

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Speaker 3: And what I mean by that I go over this

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Speaker 3: in my book. Scientists in laboratory settings were able to

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Speaker 3: create eighth dimensional quasi crystals using specific frequencies. Now, these

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Speaker 3: eighth dimensional quasi crystals were then pivoted into a particular

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Speaker 3: and the fourth dimensional quasi crystal would cast into a

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Speaker 3: particular angle, cast down a gigantic shadow of a sphere,

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Speaker 3: a sphere of light, not a shadow meaning darkness, but

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Speaker 3: a sphere of light. And so they were It was

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Speaker 3: completely mind bending because they realized that we're living in

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Speaker 2: So our reality here in the third dimension is we

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Speaker 2: are but a shadow of something that exists elsewhere. And this, this,

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Speaker 2: I guess, brings us to Plato's allegory of the Cave,

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Speaker 2: because that's what he was talking about, right, shadows on

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Speaker 2: the cave wall. Was he actually talking about another dimension?

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: He was trying to give an example. But Plato was

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Speaker 3: trying to give an example to show people that what

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Speaker 3: you think is reality isn't exactly reality, right, So you're

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Speaker 3: trying to your initial perception of what's going on may

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what Plato was trying to describe

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Speaker 3: in the Allegory of the Cave. The allegory of the

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Speaker 3: Cave is a very very important work because it really

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Speaker 3: gives us the idea of understanding philosophically the metaphor of

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Speaker 3: When one prisoner is free, he discovers that the objects

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Speaker 3: And so the journey that he went on symbolizes the

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Speaker 3: initial appearance of what we think is, there is only

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Speaker 3: becomes enlightened by this, he returns back to the cave

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Speaker 3: his revelations. You know, he's become completely enlightened to the

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Speaker 3: And you know that really relates to the fractals as well,

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Speaker 3: cave symbolizes the transition from ignorance to knowledge, and when

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Speaker 3: hidden layers of reality which can unveal the universe and

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Speaker 3: all the governing principles that surround it mathematically. So when

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Speaker 3: you become enlightened, when you begin to understand truly and

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Speaker 3: mathematical codes that bind us all and drive reality, all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden you begin to see reality totally different.

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Speaker 3: It's like your consciousness has been expanded and you now

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Speaker 3: realize that distance is an illusion, individuality is an illusion.

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Speaker 3: There's only one consciousness, and we are all a fractal

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Speaker 3: of that one God mind, and that we are all

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Speaker 3: living life subjectively and for the purpose of, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: the mission to experience life subjectively, to collect information and

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Speaker 3: it's like to live within this realm and other realms

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Speaker 3: most likely as well, maybe even other universes. So we're

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Speaker 3: just a we're a small piece on a grand scale.

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Speaker 3: But I believe it makes me feel bigger because for me,

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Speaker 3: what it tells me is I'm connected to this vastness

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Speaker 3: I don't feel smaller. I actually feel bigger from this information.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned Plato's allegory of the cave. Can you

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Speaker 2: give me give us some other examples, maybe from ancient

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Speaker 2: texts or ancient literature that seems to indicate the ancients

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Speaker 3: Oh, the ancients were spot on. I mean we keep

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Speaker 3: And you know, the Hermetic principle for example, of as above,

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Speaker 3: It's a concept of fractals that goes back tens of

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Speaker 3: this world wide web connected that information can travel to

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Speaker 3: D is illusory. Even the the indigenous tribes of the Americas,

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Speaker 3: means it's not real, but meaning that it's made of

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Speaker 2: Right right, Speaking about the ancients, you know that that

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Speaker 2: ancient symbol sometimes called the star tetrahedron. Sometimes I think

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Speaker 2: you believe that the ancients understood what an atom was

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's no doubt about it. They had a

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Speaker 3: vast understanding of not only atoms, even subatomic particles. They had.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's many places where they can they can

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Speaker 3: even see microscopic organisms. I mean, there's many depictions of

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Speaker 3: how can they see the ovary the obum? I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: and how can they actually even see the sperm? Those

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Speaker 3: are microscopic things that we can't see with the naked eye.

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Speaker 3: Yet there are depictions of that all around the world,

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Speaker 3: in India, there's someone even in Indiandigenous Americas. So how

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Speaker 3: did they know this? So they had the capability of that.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of the atom, we know that even

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Speaker 3: was then taught and brought intoge knowledge was brought into Egypt.

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Speaker 3: The Greeks took that as well and learned about that.

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