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Speaker 1: But that is neither here nor there. Correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, UFC two eighty five is in the books, Ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen. So I'm gonna start this off Brian Campbll's

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Speaker 1: Piece by piece.

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Speaker 2: Let's start where the conversation starts, Ladies and gentlemen. John

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Speaker 2: Jones is back. I don't know if you heard it.

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Speaker 2: He did pretty well tonight, wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a joke? Good lord?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just get to the actual results with

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Speaker 2: the full on time. John Jones defeats Cyril Gone at

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Speaker 2: two oh four of the very first round he got

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, I'll pull up the stats here in

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Speaker 2: get the stats up. They're not gonna write up just yet,

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Speaker 2: but basically the idea is this, John Jones gets a

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Speaker 2: takedown on Cyril Gonziel Gone throws a punch. John gets

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Speaker 2: under it wraps him at the waist. Gon turns away

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Speaker 2: the back. Now he doesn't have hooks in, but he

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Speaker 2: has a grip around the waist, and he follows him.

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Speaker 2: It takes him to the ground, nearly takes his back

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Speaker 2: full on. Cyril is able to kind of stand a

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Speaker 1: He gets dragged back down.

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Speaker 2: This time John facing Cyril right up against the fence,

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Speaker 2: and he actually just drives his hips in straight past

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Speaker 2: Cyril Gon, and ends up in kind of a mount.

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Speaker 2: Now it's not full on mount because Gon is not

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Speaker 1: But John has sort.

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Speaker 2: I have to go back and look at all the

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Speaker 2: Think about that for a second. John's had some fights

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Speaker 2: but it took longer than this. He beat up matt Ushenko,

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Speaker 2: through his fights. This is his first first round stoppage

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Let's take a step back for just

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Speaker 2: And everyone who knows me knows I certainly am not

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Speaker 2: Not relevant, doesn't matter who cares. Here is the reality.

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Speaker 2: John Jones is the best mixed martial artist ever. Ever,

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Speaker 2: It's really not up for debate, not at this point.

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Speaker 2: The guy took three years plus off in addition to

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Speaker 2: his career and all the distractions and everything else, but

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Speaker 2: just this one takes about three years off, changes weight classes.

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Speaker 2: They gave him the number one contender, who had what

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Speaker 2: more to get better, fifteen monthsish to get better, to

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Speaker 2: work on his takedown defense, to work on everything else, and.

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Speaker 1: John Jones blew the doors off of him.

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Speaker 2: Made it look like it was It made it look

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Speaker 2: like the Jake Jillenhall Jay Huron pretend fight that they

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Speaker 2: may have been even more competitive. This wasn't competitive. This

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Speaker 2: was nothing. This was a walk in the park for

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Speaker 2: all of the legitimate changes, losing one of his longtime coaches.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was tumultuous moments in his personal life,

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Speaker 2: having to change and rearrange his training, all of the

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Speaker 2: weight gain, everything, all of the doubt, all of the

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Speaker 2: second guessing. The guy just won another title up a

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Speaker 2: weight class off of three years, like it was nothing.

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Speaker 2: He had practices last week that were harder than this.

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Speaker 2: Think about that for a second. That's the best fighter

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Speaker 2: He's just fucking flawless when it matters in the end,

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Speaker 2: runs everything in his way over. He hasn't looked that

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Speaker 2: we should also say that was I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you, I don't know if the

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Speaker 1: By the moment. I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: Don't get I don't get exactly why he turned in

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Speaker 2: to him, do I really think that's the very best

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Speaker 2: of folks, that's the best fighter I've ever seen. That's

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Speaker 2: the best fighter in the history of the sport. And

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Speaker 2: I've been watching it for a very long time. You

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Speaker 2: saw Volkanovski try to go up away class just ten pounds,

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Speaker 2: and of course he put on a hell of.

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Speaker 1: An effort, but you can see how difficult it was.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's some other ones.

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Speaker 2: What about Henry Sejudo when TJ came down a weight class,

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think for some people that.

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Speaker 2: Must have been like I paid for this, Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: first time I'm going to see a John Jones fight live.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they usually don't they have a look like

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Speaker 2: He had a fat guy sweat going.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the fight there, because he really

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Speaker 2: I just you add up the context, you add up

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Speaker 2: what we knew about God, and if you watch him

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to fight off John Jones once

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Speaker 2: he's already wrapped around your waist from a punch, not

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Speaker 2: any of us. But there are people who are enormously talented,

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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit. Here's the one problem

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Speaker 2: There's really not enough information for us to fully gauge,

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Speaker 2: like all, the truth of what the weight gain will

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Speaker 2: mean for John. If he has another opponent like Stepe,

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Speaker 2: who's you know, a better wrestler and perhaps more careful,

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Speaker 2: fourth and fifth rounds. I think these are still relevant

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Speaker 2: and important questions. Certainly, he didn't look too slow. We

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Speaker 1: There were what were the what were the rumors camera guys,

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Speaker 1: what were the rumors before the fight today that John

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Speaker 1: was injured? That he was injured? Right? He was limping.

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Speaker 1: Did anyone see any evidence of that? I know he

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Speaker 1: had the toe tape and they cut it.

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Speaker 2: But if you've ever injured your big toe, they tape

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Speaker 2: it next to the side toe, so that creates a

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Speaker 2: of big guys do that, so it's a very common thing.

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Speaker 2: But they cut off the one on the center of

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Speaker 2: it's a small sample size. He looked pretty sprightly, He

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Speaker 2: looked pretty quick. Gone looked a little bit quicker, but

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Speaker 2: not drum So do we have Brian Campbell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here he is, all right, So let's sit him down.

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Speaker 2: This is the man who picked Gone like a fucking idiot,

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Speaker 2: all right, Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas let's resaid UFC two

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Speaker 1: It's the reaction post fight show BC.

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Speaker 2: I said, John Jones is the best fighter I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Would you disagree? Well, certainly not.

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Speaker 3: Look, let's be honest, little little anti climactic. That victory

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Speaker 3: and was Gone's weakness. A little little white belt shit

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Speaker 2: I had just said before you walked in, Do I

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Speaker 3: No, certainly, And look, anyone like me who had picked

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Speaker 3: it didn't happen at the end of the So what

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Speaker 1: Accused of this?

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Speaker 3: You know this, and that I was able to always

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Speaker 1: And three years was a long time.

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Speaker 3: It was weird the way things went that as soon

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Speaker 3: But look what John Jones did after three years, took

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Speaker 3: different John Jones tonight. I'm not asking your opinion on

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Speaker 3: But if it doesn't get there, it doesn't get there.

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Speaker 3: This is John Jones death taxes, and John Jones is

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Speaker 1: It was true three years ago, it's even more true now.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I have to say about his performance.

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Speaker 3: No, he admitted that it was the timing was a

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Speaker 3: we didn't give answers to those questions, so I just

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Speaker 3: who mentioned, look, you know, John calls out Stepe afterwards,

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Speaker 3: You know, I would say I think John. But do

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Speaker 3: I have conclusive questions to all my answers coming in? No,

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Speaker 3: And this is not meant by any means to put

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Speaker 3: there and take care of business. He did that. Pepe, however,

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Speaker 2: We'll get to steep it later. Let me read some

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Speaker 2: of the stat line here if I can. John landed

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Speaker 2: five strikes, Gone landed six, for whatever that is.

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Speaker 3: Worth, including a stick kick.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Look, it started off inauspiciously, a little bit like Mittrio

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Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, that's it, just like that.

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Speaker 2: John is credited with two takedowns, the initial one and

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Speaker 2: then Gone got back up initially and then got stuck

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Speaker 2: credited with fifty seven seconds of control time. There's really

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Speaker 2: not a lot to judge on this, BC. I was

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Speaker 2: looking at the timing of this. This is the second

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Speaker 2: easiest win in his career if you're judging by how

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Speaker 1: He put away matt Yushenko, Yes, the damn Janitor and

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Speaker 1: h by the way, Matty Shank was a good fighter too.

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Speaker 2: Like the ease he ran through with him was like, God, damn.

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Speaker 2: I remember the real forty fair. I watched that fight

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing.

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Speaker 3: You'll say, though, I wasn't sure about the comments John

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Speaker 3: that stuff. One thing you can say, is all that

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if in the long run they are true.

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Speaker 3: But we have seen Cyril gone in two major close

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Speaker 2: Is a serious problem. I said it on MKA yesterday,

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Speaker 2: But okay, hindsight twenty twenty, but he's very far behind

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Speaker 1: We don't probably to beat John.

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Speaker 2: If it was strictly a kickboxing match, I'm gonna bet

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Speaker 2: Cyril Gone one. Then he got four on cereal and

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Speaker 3: No, no, this was this was damning the performance against

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Speaker 3: Gone in my opinion. And you know, I didn't even

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Speaker 1: Guy like that when he puts the squeeze on it.

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Speaker 3: I understand how that happened in the end, but in

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Speaker 3: And you got Luke Thomas Yellen, the fights all over

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Speaker 1: The fight was over. Look okay by the seventh time

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Speaker 3: I don't think I saw I saw a choke attempt.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it was it was in the moment.

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Speaker 2: Here was the weird part about that about the choke attempt? God,

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Speaker 2: At a bare minimum, you can plant one hand and

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Speaker 1: He just didn't fight it. I don't. It was weird.

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Speaker 1: That's weird.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I felt because I was at the

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Speaker 3: Didn't actually flew to the faas I switched my travel

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Speaker 3: where is he at? This was even quicker and worse,

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Speaker 3: and fights Francis and Ghana when we decide that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: it didn't happen. However, you can put more blame on

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Speaker 3: This fight just like that Ceril gone in thirty second

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'd be curious to see how John how he

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Speaker 3: Well, if someone asked him a question, he answers, this

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Speaker 1: It does it does get you but it's wild, man.

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Speaker 3: I mean we had a little internal okay bet thing

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Speaker 3: we would have tied or we would have tied that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but instead I got four to one. But look, you

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Speaker 1: But that's the way it goes. Man.

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Speaker 3: And what can you say about John Jones when when

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Speaker 3: him credit where credit is doing. I know you're doing that.

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00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 3: You've done that tonight, You've give yeah listen, look, look

436
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 3: the rivalry is over between you and John. Okay, give

437
00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,399
Speaker 3: him is well, I mean, what does he care about me?

438
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy's winning in every kind of way.

439
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 2: But again I've said this before, like Dude, fighting is

440
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 2: so hard, it's so insane.

441
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,400
Speaker 1: You just have to make sure the person who deserves

442
00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:59,160
Speaker 1: to win does.

443
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,920
Speaker 2: Looking at the evidence tonight, there was only one guy

444
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,200
Speaker 2: who deserved anything, and it would be John Jones.

445
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,440
Speaker 1: Obviously he deserved it, Dude, he deserved.

446
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 3: What do you say about the fans reaction to the

447
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 3: They felt like a conquering hero was back, right, and

448
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 3: what do you mix that with what you saw to

449
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 3: John in the post fight interview, fiance kissing him in

450
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,440
Speaker 3: the cage, dad in the cage, brothers like, Look, say

451
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 3: what you will about John's outside the cage stuff, and

452
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,919
Speaker 3: whether you like him or not.

453
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 1: There's some wholesome whulsimity to this. I don't wish poorly

454
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Speaker 1: on John, I don't know.

455
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,639
Speaker 2: I mean, only a true degenerate would wish poorly on

456
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 2: a guy and his family and his kids.

457
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 1: I have to go back and listen. I don't know

458
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 1: if he's I'm sure he's mentioned his kids before and

459
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 1: postfight interviews, but this time felt like he made him

460
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 1: like this. He talked about other people as well, but

461
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 1: he definitely made him a real priority this time. Listen.

462
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: He's thirty five years old, he doesn't have much time

463
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 1: left in the sport whatever else you saw today, his

464
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 1: body just probably can't take it for too much longer.

465
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Speaker 3: I still disagree, even though he's on record saying what

466
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 3: you've echoed in the past that hey, maybe he'll come

467
00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 3: back for two heavyweight fights.

468
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,400
Speaker 1: Be done.

469
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 3: He's not gonna walk away if he beats Steepe, like

470
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, he's gonna okay.

471
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: But just giving his age and the wear and tear

472
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: in his body as easy as tonight wait, by the way,

473
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 2: for that, it's best case scenario. For sure, he comes

474
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: out of this fight feeling like not even a sparring session.

475
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 3: And does what they can make five and they can

476
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 3: make that July fight card feel.

477
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: But I will tell you I'm not that high on

478
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 2: the steep A fight because I just don't take his

479
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Speaker 2: chances that seriously.

480
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: To me, the only thing I get is.

481
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Speaker 2: Another twinge of regret or how do you want to

482
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 2: phrase it, that Francis and Gan, who is not here,

483
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: should have been him tonight would have been a much

484
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Speaker 2: more competitive fight.

485
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Speaker 3: Or that it took three years to get John Becket well.

486
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 2: That it took three years. Yes, all of it is

487
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: kind of related. That the timing is just unfortunate for you.

488
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Speaker 2: You will say this about I'll.

489
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Speaker 1: Think real quickly, gun to your head. Jones, Steepe July.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it'll happen. I think Jones will be

491
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Speaker 3: the favorite, rightfully, so bad Jones wins. I think he'll

492
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: be favored to win. I don't know yet because mostly

493
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 3: again questions not fully answered. You know what happens in

494
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: this fight? If John is shooting at will and we

495
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 3: get into round three and four, we just a lot

496
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 3: of things we don't know how get know. The difference

497
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 3: in the matchup wise this time around is Stevepe's got

498
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 3: a legitimate chin. Steve pay will still fight back even

499
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: if he's down and deep into a fight, and Steepe

500
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 3: is not going to be easily manhandled.

501
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Speaker 1: On the ground. No, no, certainly not.

502
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: But he's also four, I think, right at forty, coming

503
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: off of a long time ago, but a knockout loss

504
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: to Big Francis.

505
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: That fight's got great themes. It's greatest of all time

506
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Speaker 3: against greatest heavyweight of all time. I mean, it's gonna amazing.

507
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Speaker 1: It's interesting.

508
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: I think the thing you talked about, like returning or

509
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: accepting John as a returning welcoming hero.

510
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: I did pick up on that big time.

511
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: How could you not, By the way the UFC, the

512
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: way they shot the crowd today and with the lighting

513
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 2: everything it looked big. I thought they made an effort

514
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: at making it feel big. And obviously the fight ended early,

515
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: but in general that succeeded well.

516
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 3: They had to get a big atmosphere for Jake jillenhol debut.

517
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: They really had to like fill that. You know, here's

518
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 1: what I'm curious to see him, curious to see if

519
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: we can ever get some sales numbers for this one,

520
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: Like what kind of paper viewing as it does and

521
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: what kind of interest Here's my thing, what's wait for him?

522
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm the only one I doubt it? But am I

523
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: the only one who feels like okay? I am certainly

524
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: in no position to say I don't want to say

525
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: down steep a. Yes, of course I do, but I'd

526
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: be lying if I thought that was very competitive. I

527
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: don't know how competitive I think that is.

528
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 3: But okay, but you don't know where John is exactly at.

529
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 3: He hasn't fought in three years, and he was in

530
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: there for what a minute?

531
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Speaker 1: Two? Two?

532
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: And then that too he got kicked in the nuts. Okay,

533
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 3: he missed the left cross. I mean like it was

534
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 3: just sort of like touch and go and then they

535
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: take him down.

536
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: The fights over.

537
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: So I'm not like, again, I don't say that at

538
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 3: all to demean what John did. John put himself in

539
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: the advantageous.

540
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: Realize he made that guy. Look back, I realized that.

541
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, did that answer all of our questions?

542
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 1: No? No, Steepe a game or two.

543
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: Stepe could jab and circle and then like clinch break

544
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: and just not do anything other than move, and then

545
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: it goes one, two, three rounds and then he.

546
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: Could pick up the pace. I want to r knows

547
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: what'd you find out? I want to remind you that

548
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: Stepe is used to fighting once a year.

549
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: He after just epically getting the call for this one wrong.

550
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: Are you now going to double down on Steepe? Maybe

551
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: have a little humility.

552
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: I instead was gonna flip it back on you and say, look,

553
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: your twenties were out of control.

554
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 1: What would you say when you look back on your twenties?

555
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember, I don't remember drank my

556
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: way through.

557
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Speaker 3: I don't know why this is becoming BC against John Jones.

558
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: This is not a rivalry, it's not.

559
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: I mean, look, would you say there, Luke Long Island, Luke,

560
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: we have tweets about John Jones in the document.

561
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we'll get to those in just a minute.

562
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Speaker 2: I don't have much on the stat sheet here BC

563
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: John Jones for yeah, there's not much.

564
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: There's stat that matters right now.

565
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: John Jones is a black belt in jiu jitsu probably

566
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: and Cyril Gonza white belt.

567
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: That's the only stat that matters, or.

568
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: You know what I remember Mike Easton told me this

569
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: a long time ago. He used to say Alistair Overream.

570
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: This was like in two thousand and six or seven.

571
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: He used to tell me.

572
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: Alistair Overreim is not a black belt, but he's got

573
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: a black belt guillotine. I don't know if John's a

574
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: black belt, but he might have certain things. And also

575
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: like once it's on, his squeeze is going to be

576
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: probably absurd. So in that particular sense, it's it's unstoppable. Okay,

577
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: if again, based on the little amount you know, now

578
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: gun to your head, does this John beat the god

579
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: the last in Ghana we saw against uh Cyril Gone.

580
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: You can't ask that. I just did because that in Ghanu,

581
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: How would you say something so provocative yet so brave.

582
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: I just because that in ghan who had an fed

583
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: up knee and wrestled his way to victory against a

584
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: guy who now in three straight fights. Make a call,

585
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: he's never gonna fight that guy again with hav they

586
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: got call.

587
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: We don't know. I'll pull Luke Thomas here. You don't know.

588
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: This is Luke Thomas. Luke, We're gonna need a pick

589
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: in the main event. Nobody actually knows who's gonna win.

590
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the truth, that's the reality. Nobody knows. Hey,

591
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: why would you look at the right camera, goofus, dude.

592
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, here's the thing.

593
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 3: Your take on you know, not being too excited about

594
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: John Stepe is bullshit. But you know it's not bullshit, Luke,

595
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say it now, okay, but lamenting and

596
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: it's not over, but lamenting the idea that we were

597
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: that close to John versus in Ghana and it didn't happen.

598
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: Can it happen?

599
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: So look, Dana White this week was asked about that

600
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 3: and straight up said no, Well, and Ghana will never

601
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: fight in the UFC again, Like he almost basically said,

602
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: Ben they're done that we tried. I'm not going to

603
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: say they didn't try. They gave Ighanu record money. There

604
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: were different elements to in Ghanu's decision. If John, let's

605
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: say John beats Stepe, I don't know if the next

606
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: contender in line is going to be like banging on

607
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: the door. Would we all want to see him against

608
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: Curtis played? Sure, eventually Tom Aspernault is gonna get healthy,

609
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: and boy would that be a sexy matchup. But let's

610
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: say Francis makes a lot of money in a boxing

611
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: one off.

612
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: Are we going to revisit this in a year? We should?

613
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 3: Because you know who, I gotta ask you the most

614
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: important question right now? Who's the best heavyweight in the

615
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: world right now?

616
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: In what sport? Uh a? Boxing? Luke? I mean what

617
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean? I mean what are we doing here?

618
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: I mean I've just told you he's the best of

619
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: all time? How would he I'm not avat, I'm not

620
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: how would he be anything else? I'm not asking who's

621
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: the best fighter of all time? I'm asking you right now,

622
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: who's the best mixed martial art?

623
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: Steve? Oh right, Okay, sorry I missed the question. I

624
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: am practless. I am spread eagle on this side of

625
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: the table right now. You know you're just a moron.

626
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you this, Luke. I'll tell you this.

627
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: John's not going away anytime soon unless he gets Ko twice. Okay,

628
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 3: John's gonna stay because there's something about fighting and being

629
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: the man that makes John Jones the happiest. You know

630
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: that he's a competitor at the end of the day,

631
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: a gamer. Yes, we're going to revisit this conversation in

632
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: a year. Is this something the UFC is going to

633
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: try to go after? Are they just going to stick

634
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: to this thing and turn and gone to into the

635
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 3: next fador and say, oh, he was never that good

636
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: enough to begin with, and now he's too old and.

637
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: Look at this we tried, and look at that. You

638
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Luke.

639
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: It will depend on what kind of fight Francis takes

640
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: between now and then and how he looks. Honestly, it's

641
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: I find it highly unlikely. But if they just made

642
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: something like an Enganu versus Wilder fight and seriously like

643
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: this is all totally implausible nonsense. But if in Gan

644
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: who were to knock out Wilder or even knock him

645
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: down or whatever, like just to make it so they

646
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: had to do it again, just just that where are

647
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: these conversations at that point?

648
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you would say at that point.

649
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: All right, I got something else to say that I

650
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: know you don't want to hear.

651
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: So let's say you just answered me definitively what you

652
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: didn't and said, I'm sorry BC.

653
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Speaker 1: I know Dana's spite Francis is never walking through that

654
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Speaker 1: door again.

655
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, what Dana said. I it's the same thing

656
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: with John. I don't take any of it at face value.

657
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: It could be true, but what they say is just

658
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: the thing.

659
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: Can we do the show? But we still have other

660
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: fights together?

661
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: This is the show because that has a very important

662
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: question to ask you.

663
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now here we go. Also, i'd like

664
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Speaker 1: that you get over a really small shit. All right,

665
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: it's just because you're just annoying. Do something? What are

666
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: you doing? Okay? The thing is I didn't pick you

667
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: as a partner. You picked me. Okay, I regret it.

668
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: All right.

669
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: There's a man that I sometimes I sometimes fat cham DC.

670
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: Where's the camera a DC? It's time to get up

671
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: and get back in that gym. Time business just picked

672
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: up d C.

673
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: More Roun Baby one More Run, Luke, I smell I

674
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: smell a trilogy. You don't smell it to you? No, No,

675
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't buy it.

676
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think d C is above three

677
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: bills right now? I mean in that reference in the

678
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: WW referee or at that time, he was yeah, three.

679
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he's. I mean he's on TV.

680
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: He's probably not three.

681
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: Okay, will this be even a discussion between Dana and DC?

682
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: He might toss it out. He might toss it out

683
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: right a little bit. Okay, that's all.

684
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I remember what happened in the third fight with steep A.

685
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: Obviously steep A one, but there was a terrible ipokes

686
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: on DC. Remember that, yes, and he was like, I

687
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: can't see it is what it is? His eye looked

688
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: like shit the whole time.

689
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: Also in the second and third step A fight, DC

690
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: was not in the best physical shape in my opinion,

691
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: the combination of injuries and not being able to do

692
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: the full cardio and maybe some of it is motivation

693
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: at that point, I don't know. I mean, how could

694
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: you say motivation when he was literally fighting for history

695
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: at that moment, right in that trilogy.

696
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: But didn't something just feel off those last two DC fights? Yeah?

697
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was also in his forties, I believe right.

698
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean, if he had gotten into a little bit

699
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: better shape, could he have continued the wrestling dominance he

700
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: showed in round one of the steep papers.

701
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Speaker 2: I think that you're just being like, if it wasn't

702
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: for his twinkies, he'd still be champion. And I think

703
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: it's a little simplistic.

704
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: All right, my little song and dance is over. We'll

705
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: come to it when we have questions. Again, Let's quickly

706
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: talk about the best threat. Who's the biggest threat in

707
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: the heavyweight division right now? Not counting d C.

708
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: Francis, Get that bullshit out of here. Who's the biggest

709
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: threat to John Jones's title? From what you know, which

710
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: is very little about John.

711
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: Johnson, Curtis Blades, Curtis Blades.

712
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: You don't want to say Tom Aspirnall because you want

713
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: to see him recover from that injury first.

714
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: And also he was I mean again talk about short

715
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: sample sizes. I mean, we have I hesitated even bring

716
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: it up, but he was getting tuned up a little

717
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: bit a little bit before the he injured himself and

718
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: the whole thing fell apart. Okay, let's talk about this

719
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: comin event. We'll come back to the main event. We're

720
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: gonna get all your tweets. They're collecting it for us,

721
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: all right, BC, we have a new women's flyweight champion,

722
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: and neither of us saw this shit coming.

723
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm not sure who did.

724
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, who was the person who was like, yep,

725
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna get Alexa Grosso.

726
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: With a finally, can you put somewhere?

727
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, dude, my bad with a fourth round submission at

728
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: four thirty four. They call it a face crank. It's

729
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: still a rear naked choke.

730
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: It's just over the jaw. It's the same kind of thing,

731
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: so you.

732
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: Can either break the person's jaw or you can actually

733
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: pull it backwards and it can still get the job

734
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: done as a choke either way.

735
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: BC, your reaction, Grosso, your new flyweight champ. Mexico has

736
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: three champs at the same.

737
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Speaker 3: Time, and there's a couple of things I want to

738
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: shout on here. Okay, First, the fighting spirit of Alexa Grosso.

739
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: You got to give her a lot of credit. She

740
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: was plus twenty five hundred to be able to get

741
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: a submission victory over Chevchenko. And even though I thought

742
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: she did a great in that opening round, I thought

743
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: she edged out Chefchenko with a beautiful left cross that

744
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: rocked her.

745
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: Look rounds two and three not going her way.

746
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: But look at this recent trend that we're seeing, the

747
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: comeback from Edwards against Usman in round five, the comeback

748
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: from Poeton against Atasania in round five.

749
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Like Man, there's already a million ways to lose in

750
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: this game, and we and.

751
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: The other thing was for Chefchenko, Yes, coming off the

752
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: toughest fight of her rain, but style wise, I thought

753
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: she'd bounced back and we thought there's tougher opponents out

754
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: there for her.

755
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: Let's just get through this.

756
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: But you know, no one told Alexa Grosso that and Luke,

757
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: what's the biggest surprise in how this went down to

758
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: me is that Valentino Cheifchenko doesn't make mistakes at that level.

759
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you Okay, she stylistically, we've already found

760
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: out what her very small flaw is. Jennifer Maya used

761
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: size and grappling ability to humanize her. Tyler Santos did

762
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: the same thing, but even more to make it a

763
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: disputed win.

764
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: She doesn't make mistakes like that.

765
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: And this was a fight where I thought she had

766
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: one rounds two and three, clearly, I thought the momentum

767
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: was in her favorite. I thought she was winning round four.

768
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: But to find out, she tries to spin some spinny

769
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: shit and that Grosso was preparing for. And that's where

770
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: the connection to Leon Edwards to me is Leon Edwards

771
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: was preparing for that moment to counter with that kick

772
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: against Usman when he dips his head. It just so

773
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: happened that that moment finally came in in the you know,

774
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: in such a point in the fight that we all

775
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: thought it was desperate. It turns out only John Annick

776
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: knew he was, you know of that of that ill clip.

777
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: But I actually disagree with your analysis. She does make mistakes,

778
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: but this is this is this level of mistake, dude.

779
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, this level is Chris Widman against Rock Hold.

780
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 3: This level is disaster Chail against Anderson Silva in the rematch, right,

781
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: They're like, this is disaster.

782
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: We actually have the scorecard of the fight heading into

783
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: the flow, we don't have the three rounds, So here

784
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: we go, time media right here, Then cartilage had it.

785
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Who, by the way, is a fun uh partletge cartltge.

786
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: What am I saying? Cartilage? Cartilage? He is a phenomenal,

787
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: phenomenal judge. He had it first round for Grosso. I

788
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: agree second two, Yes, that's about right.

789
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: All three head at this. All three had at the same.

790
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: Chris Lee and then Derek clearly, so the judges did

791
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: it right. And Grosso taking the first her hand speed

792
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: and herbility to cover distance shocked the the then champion.

793
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: In the first round. I thought it was pretty clever.

794
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: She was able to do that.

795
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: But the adjustment from Chefchenko to level change when she

796
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: was doing it was a nice adjustment.

797
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: Dude.

798
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: Chefchenko began to time those takedowns where she ducked the

799
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: punch coming in, get the double a, get it down.

800
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: She wasn't this is val wasn't as offensive in the

801
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: top position as you would want. But she was busy

802
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: at the one point.

803
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: Didn't you agree with Jason? Yeah? What do you make

804
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: of Jason Herzog jumping in Now?

805
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: Some people are saying that the punch that Chefchenko landed

806
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: afterwards was a dirty shot because he had already jumped

807
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: in and tried to get their attention, but I don't

808
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: know when both are being offensive in that situation.

809
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: She didn't love Vandam. Jason Herzog's a great referee. No

810
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: one's perfect. They're not all going to have one hundred

811
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: percent calls. I still think he's a great referee. I

812
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: just think I disagree with that call. That call to

813
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: stand them up was not a great one. Didn't influence

814
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: the way the west of that round went. So she

815
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: still got the round, it turns out from the judges' scorecards,

816
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: but an uncharacteristically poor performance from Jason Herzog, who is

817
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: normally quite good.

818
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: So is thou after Look, the Jennifer Maya was a

819
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: few fights ago. Valentina had two dominant wins in between

820
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: that heading into the Tylers Santo's one last year. But

821
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: the narrative coming in that Chefchenko was tasked with exploiting

822
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: was that she's getting a little bit old at thirty four,

823
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: you know, like just the natural progression of age, but

824
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: that the division is catching up.

825
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: The division's clearly catching up.

826
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: Is this development though before we were ever gonna get

827
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 3: rising Blanche Field against Chefchenko or minon Ferau in France

828
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 3: against chef Chenko not gonna happen now, right? Is this

829
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: the best thing that could happen to this division given

830
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: the new influx of talent, or is this sort of

831
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: kind of mean it throws some surprise shade on some

832
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 3: of the themes and direction we thought we were going.

833
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's best thing, worst thing. I really

834
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: don't view it as that. I just sort of see it.

835
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm like you, I sort of see it. If things

836
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: like this happen that was that's gonna be a hard

837
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: thing to repeat in the future. Like the way she

838
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: got the victory. It's not a victory you could easily

839
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: repeat over time. Yeah, but of course it's possible.

840
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: Obviously, back control and giving up the back and her

841
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: susceptible to back attacks is a commonality for Shipchenko at

842
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: this point now with a few fights under the bag.

843
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: But I think for me, I don't see it as

844
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: best or worse.

845
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: I do want to point out like the upside though,

846
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: which if you're the UFC, you got to be clinking

847
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: champagne glasses about your efforts in Mexico. They're opening up

848
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: a performance institute there now. In the first three pay

849
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: per views of twenty twenty three. The Mexicans are cleaning

850
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: the fucking joint up. Look at this, It's crazy. You

851
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: had first Brandon Moreno he wins, then secondly Jay Rodriguez wins,

852
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: and then tonight back to back to back. Hello, Lakey

853
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: came at least last year, big year, Luke. The Mexicans

854
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: have arrived at the highest level of MMA.

855
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: Welcome them. This is great news for the future of

856
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: m MA.

857
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: I think it's great news of you the UFC certainly,

858
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: and if you're a Mexican fight fan, this is something

859
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 2: to be truly happy.

860
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: You know, the first time the MMA fan base turned

861
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: on me the first time. First time. You always remember

862
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: your first time. You said Steve Bay was like hell

863
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: or no.

864
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: I said in the in the Cormier stepe A rematch,

865
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: I said Steve A didn't win that fight.

866
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: Cormer lost it, you know.

867
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: And that's a recycled, purposely controversial opinion that I used

868
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: in both Wideman Silver fights. But I say this stupidity

869
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: to serve it up to you, Luke. I'm not asking

870
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: you were there elements of both. I'm asking you what

871
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: was the more dominant reason why.

872
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: The title changed hands?

873
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: Because Alexa Grosso won it, or because valence Tina Chefchenko

874
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: lost it.

875
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: Alex Grosso won it, okay, Alexe Grosso. I mean, look

876
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: the perseverance. And you know, even when she got pieced

877
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: up at Tom's in the stand up, she kept coming back.

878
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: Here's here's what you're trying to point out. It was

879
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: not a forced error. Right in baseball, you have forced

880
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: errors and you have unforced errors. This was an unforced error.

881
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: In other words, Chefchenko of her own decided to throw

882
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: that kick and then expose her back.

883
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: That was the error. Grasso didn't like faint her way

884
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: into it to get a reaction. She just did it

885
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: on her own. But to have presence of mind and

886
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: the clamp.

887
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: And I want to talk about this for just a

888
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: second because you'll see this enough with certain mma two

889
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: like Olivera is a good example of this. There are

890
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: certain guys or ladies in jiu jitsu. Some of them

891
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: have very technical games and they can do mobile passing

892
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: or whatever whatever their signature is. But there are certain

893
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: kinds of people who have what I call quick clamps

894
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: that they can achieve either some kind of lock, some

895
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: kind of grip, some kind of position, and they can

896
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: attach instantly quick right.

897
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: Notice what she's able to do.

898
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: She doesn't have to fidget once she gets the back right,

899
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of hand fighting, but it was

900
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: so quickly she had positionally obtained what she wanted to

901
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: obtain and it went to the ground. She's already deep

902
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: in looking across the throat threatening with the choke.

903
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: Right.

904
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: Her clamp is instantaneous. That's not something that even all

905
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: very good jiu jitsu players have. She had it in

906
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: this moment at a bare minimum, and dude, she held

907
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: on for dear life, and once she went behind the

908
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: head the defense.

909
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: It for Monday's Morning Combat show, where I essentially ask

910
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: you and I to sort of book the territory at

911
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: one twenty five in the future. Okay, I want to

912
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: save that. The one thing I do want to ask, though,

913
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: is there's times we talk about does a champion deserve

914
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: excuse me, an immediate rematch. I always thought dj did

915
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: against the hudo in the second fight and said they

916
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: traded him. Right, There's times that people got thought Dilla

917
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: Shaw to some degree deserved it after that cruise split

918
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: decision day to.

919
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: Give it to him.

920
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: So I ask you right now because Valentina was humble

921
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: afterwards in the cage. She said, look, this happens, But

922
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: she said, I'm gonna come back and win my title,

923
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: and I deserve an immediate rematch. She's got a UFC

924
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: female record of seven title defenses. She's, you know, arguably

925
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: the most dominant champion in women's history, arguably when you

926
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: consider the totality of title defenses. True, I mean, Ronda

927
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 3: was more dominant in like a three four fight stretch

928
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: where she was finishing people in seconds, and Amanda was

929
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 3: incredible her and her dominance there. But does Valentina deserve

930
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 3: an immediate rematch?

931
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: Okay?

932
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: Probably almost certainly. Here's the thing, though, I'm just gonna

933
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: put my cards on the table.

934
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: I would love to see them. Let's see that ace

935
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: in the hole there?

936
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Uh it's late.

937
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, here's what I was gonna say.

938
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: Probably almost certainly she will. But what's my level of

939
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: interest in it?

940
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: Not high? And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.

941
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.

942
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, because it doesn't matter if it's

943
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: Grosso or Chevchenko. Tonight, if you're Aaron Blanchfield, you must

944
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: have been licking your child oh yeah, because I think

945
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: Blanchefield's a bad matchup for either of them.

946
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: I want to see her put into the mix. That's

947
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: what I want. This division could get cold blooded. It

948
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: really could could be cold blooded.

949
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: Let's look at some of the stats here if we can,

950
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: and we'll get to some of these sweets after we

951
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: talk about one more of these fights.

952
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: Let's go to the comin here. Let's look at some

953
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: of these numbers.

954
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: Can we talk about this the pua we way like

955
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 3: celebration you had when Shovcott Rochmanoff got that finish, Dude,

956
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: I was like, anybody got tissues, paper towels, anything, clean

957
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: up on as'll dungarees over here, Luke, Luke, you went

958
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: a little you would like. It wasn't even cameras on.

959
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: There wasn't like you know, this will show up in

960
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: our documentary later.

961
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Dude. You had a moment of like, dude, I'm high

962
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: on shof Catrock Moanov, I've been high on shot.

963
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: Well, you've had that VAPA on that you could just

964
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: be high.

965
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: I wish I was high. It's fucking nicotine. That's not weed.

966
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: Uh okay, So Chefchenko, it's interesting she landed one hundred

967
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: and sixty seven of two hundred and twenty eight attempted

968
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: eighty seven significant strikes. Uh Grosso has more total strikes

969
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: one eighty two, but in terms of significant strikes far

970
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: less fifty nine percent.

971
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Chefchenko is credited with four takedowns.

972
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: Obviously one sub attempt from Grosso, but control time for

973
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: Chefchenko five twenty four. I will say this, the takedowns

974
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: did come very easily. Yeah, Chefchenko in this contest, right,

975
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: This is what I mean. It's like, it's like, I

976
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: think Blanchfield can stuff those. I think she can threaten

977
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: her own. I think she can get up to the

978
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: bottom and she and if Chefchenko can get Grosso down,

979
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: why couldn't Blanchfield.

980
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: Did you notice you're correct? And did you notice that

981
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: Valentino looked a little bit gassy in round two after

982
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: the first round, which had some striking sequences. A mean,

983
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 3: she had a cut across her nose.

984
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: You should see that a couple of takedowns. I'm not

985
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: going to say a few takes is the wrong word.

986
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: She looked a little compromised.

987
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: I mean she scored again, this is numeric totals. She

988
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: scored twelve to seven. In terms of strikes over Grosso,

989
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: she had the two takedowns. She had three minutes of.

990
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Control time on the On paper, it doesn't show up.

991
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: I'll put it that way. On paper, it doesn't show up.

992
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: And honestly, round three was a really good round for Chefchenko.

993
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: Twenty seven to fifteen. She was kind of pulling away

994
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: a little bit, same numbers she was picking up in

995
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: round four. But then she makes an air at Trevor Whitman.

996
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad you started with it. Trevor Whitman talks about

997
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: all the time. He's like, you know what separates great fighters?

998
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: He's like, not much really, to be honest with you,

999
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: just the first one to make a mistake. Really, it's

1000
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: really all that it is. And you saw something like

1001
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: that here. Shichika was better I think overall. And to

1002
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: your point, is he losing round five Ousman round five

1003
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: and here in the very end stage of round forties

1004
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: champions losing in these sudden bursts of inspiration that they're

1005
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: are having. But you did say something that she doesn't

1006
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: make a lot of mistakes. Now I agree, she doesn't

1007
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: make mistakes this bad This one was a bad one,

1008
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: but those head and arm throw she has. Dude, they're

1009
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: not good. We should just say that out loud. They're

1010
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: not very good.

1011
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: A lot of you saw she.

1012
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Tried one, I think at the end of the second

1013
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: or maybe the end of the third, and Grosso was

1014
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: able to like belly out and go hip down with

1015
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: her at the same time do a lot of those

1016
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: throws where she's trying to get it, Santo was able to.

1017
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Get the back off of them. She has issues, I

1018
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: think in certain things that she goes to that really

1019
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: open up some of her deficiencies.

1020
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: And also, like just defending yourself in the back is hard.

1021
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: You should have more things in your repertoire that don't

1022
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: create back exposure the way that you do. She has

1023
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: a lot of things that create back exposure. It's kind

1024
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: of funny.

1025
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: I ask you a question about the chef Chenkos that

1026
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: I know you're not gonna want to answer, but I

1027
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 3: just want to yes or not.

1028
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't Here we go.

1029
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: According to Wikipedia, older sister Antonina is married to their

1030
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: coach pot though this is per Wikipedia.

1031
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: Okay, do you believe that's true. I believe it's true.

1032
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't want any other details added into I just

1033
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: want to yes. I guess yes, Okay, I just needed

1034
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: to know guess yes. Well, well on our Patreon show

1035
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: on only Pipes, Well we'll break that down a little

1036
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: bit deeper, all.

1037
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Right, Uh, b C. You want to save the conversation

1038
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: about blancheld mostly for Monday. Absolutely, we got it.

1039
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: I got an idea of where Valentine actually should go

1040
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: next and it might surprise you.

1041
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: Let's save that. We'll put that on the shelf for money.

1042
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: But look, Alexa Grosso give give her her flowers, Luke.

1043
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: What a victory?

1044
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, perseverance. Look not known for the ground game, Luke,

1045
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: and then you then you tap out the.

1046
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Champ like that. That's crazy. Well, she's always she's had

1047
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: a decent ground game. She's that real naked boxer, you know.

1048
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: And I mean you saw the odds plus twenty five hundred.

1049
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: If someone would have presented you all the potential situations

1050
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: with chef Chenko can lose this title. Uh, somebody taking

1051
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: her back on the feet and taking her down and

1052
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: instantly putting it on a rare naked that would produce

1053
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: a tap would not be on.

1054
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: I would not be on that list.

1055
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so weird that you've get these long

1056
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: reigning champs is the USPA Pishchenko, and it almost feels

1057
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: like the division is like slowly waiting them out, slowly

1058
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: waiting them out, slowly waiting them out, and then in

1059
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: these final fights still kind of waiting them out a

1060
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: little bit and then just enough pressure, just enough things

1061
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: to unsettle them. That was the other part too, It's like,

1062
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: did you ever feel like Shifchenko was comfortable in there?

1063
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: I know I felt like that.

1064
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: I felt like she got I think that left hand

1065
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: rocked her in the first round. She got with a

1066
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 3: couple left hands, with that big one that they showed. Yeah,

1067
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: I think it led to her looking like she was

1068
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: gassed out a little bit for a while. I think

1069
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: it took some time for her to kind of get back.

1070
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: Take the takedowns around two helped her sort of. I

1071
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 3: think put the car, you know, the cob webs back together,

1072
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: all that. But something seemed a little bit off, And

1073
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: sometimes that happens early enough. Remember the Anthony Joshua upset

1074
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: knockout lost Andy Ruiz. The first knockdown was like four

1075
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: rounds before the fight actually ended. But sometimes you just

1076
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: get hit with that right shot. In that case, it

1077
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: was an equilibrium to the side you're kind of just

1078
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 3: never the same.

1079
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1080
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that that was the reason

1081
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: for Valentina because she seemed to put everything back on

1082
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: the tracks, but the road to the loss, the road

1083
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: to getting there three rounds, two, three, and fourty it

1084
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: just didn't seem like the same exact confident Valentine. I'm

1085
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: not like one thing you'll say about her. We were

1086
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: a lot more worried in the Tyler Santo's fight than

1087
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 3: she was. That the fight was that close, right, Yes,

1088
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: even afterwards she was like calm, like, oh I knew

1089
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: it all along, right, you know, like like there was

1090
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: not that confidence. It didn't seem like in the fight

1091
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: this time.

1092
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: No, And she she had moments. She had moments and look,

1093
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: you know what's she's her jab was cooking too.

1094
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: I thought in the second and third rounds, I thought

1095
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: Shovchenko's jab was really on fire.

1096
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: It was good work.

1097
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: But back exposure, We've talked about it a long time

1098
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: on the show. Back exposure, all of these guys this

1099
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: one was fortuitous and that it fell on her lap

1100
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, but all of the fighters who

1101
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 2: now like don't even seek takedowns. They just seek back exposure.

1102
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: You can see why it is a potent fucking weapon.

1103
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: All right, PC again, we're gonna save some of the

1104
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: stuff for Monday. But shop got Rochmanov defeating Jeff neil

1105
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: rear naked choke four seventeen of the third round.

1106
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: They called it were naked choke. It was almost like

1107
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: a standing dude.

1108
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: Always a standing bulldog joke. Jed mesh You tweeted that

1109
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: Jed meshu the second Yeah, did you know that he

1110
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: he went to law school?

1111
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: Law?

1112
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, if you were, if you would have told me,

1113
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: and I say this, I say this with disrespectful respect

1114
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: about Jed, if you would have told me that that

1115
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: guy went directly from seven to eleven behind the counter

1116
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: to like contributing to MMA fighting, I would have been like,

1117
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: damn right, put the camera on me, Damn right, Jed,

1118
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: Because you and I a right, I guess I don't

1119
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: have that kind of you See how blotchie I am today, Luke?

1120
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: I just I look like a I look like a

1121
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: used basketball.

1122
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: I mean this HIV? I mean what is this? Luke?

1123
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: Am I allergic to a success? Wow? This is wow?

1124
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: You?

1125
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean you've been drinking all night. I don't know.

1126
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Luke, the thing is, we're all dying.

1127
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: How much? How much did I fart in the studio tonight?

1128
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean? Okay, So here's the thing between men, all right,

1129
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: and I'm a man. I mean, you know, I'm a lot.

1130
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: I'm a man with questionable hygienic morals.

1131
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: Luke.

1132
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: You know, a good fart among men is is is

1133
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: a is A is a reoccurring joke, even throughout the

1134
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: point of a night, right A little bit of aren't here,

1135
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: a little aren't there?

1136
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 4: Though, I'm okay, but by the time you by the time,

1137
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 4: by the time the ross hewits was just siphoning out

1138
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 4: for like the seventeenth consecutive time, especially with open containers

1139
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: of food right here, you know what I mean.

1140
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: It's just I had listen. When nature calls, h you

1141
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: know what normally happens when nature calls, people go to them. Okay, okay,

1142
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: we have a funny tweet about this. Let's see it. White.

1143
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: I told Hunter, charter a private jet and get John

1144
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: Jones home to New Mexico right now.

1145
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, get him home to that intersection in Albuquerque there. Yeah, yeah,

1146
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: Book book a flight.

1147
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not gonna put the disrespect. I'm gonna

1148
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: say weird. I think John Jones going afterwards. Look, I

1149
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: hope John Jones is a refocused family man right now,

1150
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: because I don't think he's going away after two fights.

1151
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: I think there could be a big run in him.

1152
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that another time. Let's back to Scheff Cuts.

1153
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: So Jeff Neil misses waight but comes in badly and look,

1154
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, that's a nasty win

1155
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: for shof Cut rock Monoff. It went further than any

1156
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: of his UFC fights up to this point. It showed

1157
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: a lot of what he's capable of and when a

1158
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: fight heats up, how nasty he can be that finishes

1159
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: is sick.

1160
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: And the fight was fun as shit.

1161
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: But Luke Thomas, for as celebratory as your celebration was,

1162
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 3: is not this great fighter?

1163
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: Who's what now? And what is he like? Seventeen? And Oh?

1164
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: I got to ask you a question here, Why the

1165
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 3: hell was he more than willing, I mean not just willing,

1166
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: able to put his guard down, stand in front of

1167
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: a proven puncher in Jeff Neil and almost willingly take

1168
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: big shots in order to land. It wasn't one or

1169
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: two sequences where you say, maybe, look, maybe he's trying

1170
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: too hard to make a statement, Maybe he's trying maybe

1171
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Luke, you hear what I'm saying here.

1172
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 3: There's there's time when people take too much punishment, when

1173
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: we don't not used to seeing it, and go, what

1174
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: are they too excited to try to land the big moment?

1175
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: What's going on here?

1176
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: Was there no respect for Neil's power because you saw

1177
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 3: Chavcock get rocked with that three punch combination late in

1178
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: the fight.

1179
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: And it was sort of like whoa wobbled yep, And

1180
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: that was not the first time he took shots.

1181
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: Give me not a celebratory one of those, give me

1182
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: a more sobered reaction. We love the finish, We love

1183
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: the totality of how he broke Neil down. Why was

1184
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: he so willing to skirt danger?

1185
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: You actually heard a great call from Safe Saoud about

1186
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: what he wanted Jeff Neil to do, which was speed.

1187
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: If you heard him talking about that, because it wasn't

1188
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: just that he wasn't moving his head. He was kind

1189
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: of waiting to look and see what else he was doing.

1190
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: You actually heard Dean Thomas talk about the fact that

1191
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: he wouldn't fully exit. There are times you wouldn't exit

1192
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: at all. And if you could just put speedy hand

1193
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: combinations together, you can score a bunch of shots in

1194
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: rapid succession for a guy who's not adequately moving in

1195
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: and out of space, or in and out of range

1196
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: or off angle. So he was staying speed speed speeds

1197
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: anytime he's throwing, throw with him, but make him go

1198
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: much quicker, and that had a profound effect. But I

1199
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: will also say it looked to me that rock Monov

1200
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: was purposely courting risk, purposely courting risk, just not just

1201
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: trying to It almost seemed to me like he was

1202
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: trying to out psychologize out kind of compete mentally. Jeff Neil,

1203
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: whether that was the weight cut or just what he

1204
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: wanted to do, or how he was feeling or I'm

1205
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: just imagining it, certainly up to you to decide how

1206
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: you feel about that.

1207
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: But it just looked to me like he was he

1208
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: was going to get a finish, he had to mix

1209
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: it up to get it.

1210
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: He was just willing to do it. It was a

1211
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: cost he was simply willing to pay. So I agree

1212
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: there are some head movement issues. There are not any

1213
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: chin issues. Old rock Monov's got a fucking dynamite show.

1214
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 3: Both guys showed incredible resistance.

1215
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: Show, but Jeff Neil made Rockmanov look more human than

1216
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: anyone has by far.

1217
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm wondering if it was like, for example,

1218
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: when Hamza went in there with with our buddy Gilbert Burns.

1219
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: There seemed to be going against the game plan a

1220
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: little bit more will to show you guys.

1221
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: Oh you guys want a fun fight, I'll show you that.

1222
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm that dude.

1223
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: It almost looked like that was what he was doing

1224
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: a little bit. But that was so out of character

1225
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: from how I perceived him to be.

1226
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: Also, it almost cost him. You admitted it almost cost him.

1227
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: It almost cost him, And I think the takedowns were

1228
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: harder than he thought they were going to be. Also,

1229
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that rock Mondov is

1230
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: really good about is trips and throws in the clinch,

1231
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: including when you press him into the cage.

1232
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: He actually likes it.

1233
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: You could hear all do credit shouts to the safe

1234
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: suthe he was telling and I'm sure they drilled all

1235
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 2: of this ahead of time, but he was telling Jeff

1236
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: Neil all the things he needed to do to not

1237
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: get thrown where his head needed to be, where his

1238
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: hips needed to be.

1239
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: Go back and listen. You can hear him on the call,

1240
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: and dude, Jeff listened. He listened.

1241
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: That's a good pairing, Jeff Neil and Safe Soud. They

1242
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: get a lot out of each other. They work well together.

1243
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't enough obviously in the end today. But Rock Monov

1244
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: is special. He's a very different kind of fighter. He's

1245
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: going to be a hard guy to be.

1246
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: I forget reasons as to why Neil misswait that badly

1247
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: he said.

1248
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: He asked him, was like, it's nothing, No, it's something

1249
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: you missed by four fucking pounds over over the one

1250
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: pound allowance.

1251
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: Something went wrong, something went badly wrong. I don't know

1252
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: what that is.

1253
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: Who would you want to see him next? He's like

1254
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: title shot ready. I'm thinking one more and then title shot.

1255
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: I have to look at the ranking. He called Colby.

1256
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: It's a great call out because Colby is sort of

1257
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: it seems like just waiting around for a big fight, and.

1258
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: Colby would get subbed out by him. I feel very

1259
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: strong in that opinion.

1260
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: Okay, if you believe right now, and you have no

1261
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: idea what the future brings, right, But he's looked like

1262
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: a future champion to you. And I don't think even

1263
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: with the mistakes tonight that changes anything, right, He looks

1264
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: like a potential future changing.

1265
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: He still has the ability to win it. Yes, how

1266
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: many more wins? One more win and then he gets

1267
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: a ton of show. Yeah, we look at the rankings

1268
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: real quick, pull up the rankings.

1269
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: So at welterweight, how badly do you think our staff

1270
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: wants to leave it?

1271
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean they're just dying to go. I mean

1272
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: is this a rash luke? I mean like like you know,

1273
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: not so much here or here, but like right here,

1274
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: so Neil was sitting at seven.

1275
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: You have Thompson, Burns, Balall humzat, but we don't know

1276
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: if he's there, Coleby and Kamaru I could do all

1277
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: of them. Burns and rockmanoffre teammates, So that's a little

1278
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: bit weird or sometimes teammates anyway, Ballall, ballall wants.

1279
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: To the real question here is like what the hell

1280
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: is Colby doing waiting for a title shot?

1281
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: Right?

1282
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: Just we got to figure that part out, saying into

1283
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: film videos with him? Is he on social media at all. Still,

1284
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't even know. He seems quite quiet, dude.

1285
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 3: I think he's waiting to see who comes out of

1286
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: this Trump DeSantis, you know, race before he rebrands himself.

1287
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: Do you see that Trump has spent all weekend coming

1288
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: up with names to call him. So one was like

1289
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: ron establishment and the other one was ready for this

1290
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: tiny b.

1291
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: Hey, a lot of people, by the way, saying Valentine

1292
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: is obviously declining. I want to make one point here.

1293
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 3: The division is catching up more than she's declining. You're

1294
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: not the any must you said she? Oh, she's made

1295
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: mistakes in the past. Yet probably the thing is Shakagian

1296
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: Lauren Murphy. They're not going to capitalize on the mistakes

1297
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Speaker 3: in that way.

1298
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: Dude. The division has caught up in a big way. Uh, yeah,

1299
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: they have. Finally it took it took him a while.

1300
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it took a while. Took him a while, Like say,

1301
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: by the Bell the New Class, right, remember that that.

1302
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: Was real quickly Any thoughts we have here? Potato's Shamrock

1303
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: Jalen Turner.

1304
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 3: He wins via split the Brunette though, and the first

1305
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 3: season saved by the New Class was Tommy D's girl.

1306
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: She was the people.

1307
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: There were people upset with a thirty twenty seven scorecard.

1308
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: It's not how I necessarily would have scored it, but

1309
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: I understand which fight? Why put the scorecard here up

1310
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: on the screen if we can? This is for gam

1311
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 2: Rock and Turner. Let's take a look at it. Okay,

1312
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: So two of the judges gave the first round to

1313
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: gam rot one.

1314
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: These are all over the place. Derek clearly gives round

1315
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: one to Jalen Turner and the rest to Gamrock, but

1316
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: David Lethabie.

1317
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: There's no consensus on anyone free to Turner.

1318
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: The third judge, Ron McCarthy, gives none to Turner.

1319
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Ron McCarthy, what was the other fight he recently got

1320
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: in trouble with because of the judging? That's John McCarthy's son,

1321
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: is it? Remember when John even said you got this

1322
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: one wrong? I don't, was it? Sean O'Malley and Yodorian?

1323
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: You know what John got wrong?

1324
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: Being willing to tell stories about Tokyo and about taking

1325
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: a dump and back. Yeah, seriously, you know, Hey, where

1326
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 3: do you think Doug Crosby is watching the fights from tonight?

1327
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: Wow? Wah No, probably a bath house right, Well, probably

1328
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: just a sitting in his car solo in a way.

1329
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: All right, this is a win that Gamrock needed, but

1330
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: he didn't lit off at times? Were you are you

1331
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: true that that is an asterisk we have to land here?

1332
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: But did he did he show us? Because we we

1333
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: wanted more urgency, we wanted more offense. It seems like

1334
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: the times that he showed more offense, he kind of

1335
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: he kind of got hurt and had to go back

1336
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: to wrestling.

1337
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just feel like this is a

1338
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: bad matchup for Turner. He's got a lot of ability,

1339
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: but uh, he needs to be more selective. I mean,

1340
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: he went from Dan Hooker to this.

1341
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1342
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate his willingness to take the fight, I really do,

1343
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: but he didn't serve his interest long term in taking it. Obviously,

1344
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm still very high on him, and Gamrock's great, but

1345
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: Gamrock still doesn't. Gamrock can wrestle and scramble and keep

1346
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: himself out of trouble like no one's business, but he's

1347
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: not that much offensive dynamo still, whereas the Turner is

1348
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: very much an offensive dynamo but doesn't have the ability

1349
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: to keep himself from being.

1350
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: Control give Mike Thomas Brown time he'll turn him around.

1351
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit, all right, last, but at least before

1352
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: we get to the tweets Bo Nickel defeating Jamie Pickett.

1353
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: Ar'm trying fifty four round one. Here's the thing, Bo

1354
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: Nickel looked great. Let's stop pretending he did.

1355
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: We thought he was. But but dude, I'll say two

1356
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: things about Haig argument during this. Well, you're just flatly wrong.

1357
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't know what you're talking about. Wow.

1358
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: But here's here's the here's the this is the thing

1359
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: that the choker we're talking about. Pause it right there?

1360
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: Can you pause the slide? The slide?

1361
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Ah?

1362
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, there is Okay, stop right there. Here's the

1363
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: problem with what he was doing. You notice his left

1364
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: elbow we're talking about Nickel. It's almost all the way

1365
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: at the ground. That part is nice, palm down. The

1366
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: arm that's snaking around the throat goes palm down. But

1367
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: the problem with what he's got here is his is

1368
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: the left knee that's between the legs of picket.

1369
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: They need to be separate. You need to be to

1370
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: the side.

1371
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: And more to the point, what what you have to

1372
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: realize here is if someone is that deep on a

1373
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 2: cross face the left arms picket.

1374
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: It's called a cross face.

1375
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: You reach into my screen over there, if you could

1376
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 3: pull that finger back a little bit, there you good?

1377
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: Thanks? Okay.

1378
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: The whole time, I'm like, oh, ship Bo's gonna get

1379
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 3: this in the first rows.

1380
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: He needs to move his knee. He needs to move

1381
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: his because yes, he fucking does' been rolling for eleven years.

1382
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: He needs to move his knee. He didn't say that,

1383
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 1: but this is true. This is fucking true, dude.

1384
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: What happens here is that cross face across his across

1385
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: Jimmy Pickett he is suffering from.

1386
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: That is the pin of his shoulders.

1387
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: If you're pinning his shoulders, the rear end of picket

1388
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: has to excuse me, the rear end of Nickel has

1389
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: to come up, and the left knee does what's called

1390
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: a knee cut and slides across.

1391
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you here's what happens. Anybody who anybody who's

1392
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: rolling for any of the argue you see that.

1393
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: I argue that maybe this dynamic grappler Bonnickel right knows

1394
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: what he's doing and might be trying to set something

1395
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: up or do it. Because there's more than one way

1396
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: to skin a cat. But one guy tweeted out on

1397
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: Twitter that bon Nickel needs to work on this, and

1398
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: you were like, motherfucker, I told you, and you were

1399
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: like like doing this whole like like celebration dance.

1400
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: Like, dude, you didn't win shit. Yeah, I know. Well

1401
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: I won the pick because actually it.

1402
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: Was good for as I also picked a submission in

1403
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: this one.

1404
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: Here's my point, though, even if you don't want to

1405
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: grant that the knee cut was available and was the

1406
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 2: right answer, even though that's the only answer that's correct,

1407
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: Here's what I would say. He kept like, he just

1408
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: kept trying to force things.

1409
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: He's playing with his food a little bit, a little bit,

1410
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: and the speed with which he was trying stuff, it's like, dude,

1411
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, that's like how a wrestler want

1412
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: to attack things, Like, remember you just got to wrestling.

1413
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: It's just a sprint until you can get the pin

1414
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: or the tech fall or whatever. It's just constant, go, go, go,

1415
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: go go. He's kind of fighting like that, and that's

1416
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: fine against these dudes. That's not gonna work against somebody better.

1417
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him, with all of his talent

1418
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: just slow it down a little bit, take a little

1419
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: bit more time and work methodically. He's got the ability,

1420
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind. But the strategy this

1421
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: this like, oh it's not he's still calm doing it.

1422
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: But that's just not a recipe for an mma. Cardio

1423
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: is king and the good guys are gonna be able

1424
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: to get out of this and defend it.

1425
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: And you're gonna have it's been a whole round monkeying

1426
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: around like that, and then round two's gonna come around

1427
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna get it.

1428
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: And now what are you gonna doing around three?

1429
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: Like you have to have a game that scales across

1430
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: excuse me, fifteen or twenty five minutes.

1431
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: Well, we got to see his striking challenge. We see

1432
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: a lot, but you want to talk about look the

1433
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: pressure of this moment. He hates that test again. I mean,

1434
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: but look, there's an intensive question I have to follow

1435
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 3: this up with for thirty four.

1436
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: Year old Jamie Pickett.

1437
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: That's three straight defeats, two wins in five defeats in

1438
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: seven UFC fights.

1439
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: Is it's the end of the line? Probably? All right,

1440
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at some of these tweets. Let's

1441
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: take a look at some of these tweets.

1442
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: Let's go first if we can to the sarcastic gi G.

1443
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how you pronounce it.

1444
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: John Jones just won.

1445
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: The Heavyway title against the number one ranked guy and

1446
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: the only significant strike he took was to the ball Dix.

1447
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 2: Where do you guys think this ranks among title winning

1448
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: performances BC, I'm.

1449
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: Gonna be honest, it's really hard to rank this. Now.

1450
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 3: Is it impressive to come back from three years take

1451
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: on a super elite guy and Currell gone and just

1452
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: kind of sit on him and choke him out. Yeah,

1453
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: it's impressive as shit, But I mean, how are you

1454
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: really going to compare this in the pantheon of John's wins?

1455
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: It dude, like it was anti clomatic.

1456
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: It was a little bit it was And it's not

1457
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: John's fault, right, he took what was it took what

1458
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: was served in front of him. But it's it's hard

1459
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: to make comparisons on that. It's hard to answer how

1460
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: good will John look in the future. There's a lot

1461
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: we don't.

1462
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: All right, We got one from ian A mcernery. I'm

1463
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: saying macinnerney McInerney over under two and a half title

1464
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: defenses for John. So he just won. So now we're

1465
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: saying two more fights or three more fights or three.

1466
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: Or John's gonna have five to six at least, I

1467
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 3: don't think so. He's thirty five and heavyweights aged late.

1468
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: He seemed just boyed be you know that word, is

1469
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: it pronounce boyd boyd b u o y ed.

1470
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't mean like boy. He seemed bullied.

1471
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: He seemed buoyed by you know, the return, the love,

1472
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 3: the remark like, look, look, he loves being a bad ash.

1473
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: He loves being on top. Hees the ultimate competitor. If

1474
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: he can go out there and beat Stepe, that's the title.

1475
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 3: The fact number one. Let's say he could be blades

1476
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 3: after that. Let's say you can fight and you know

1477
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: whoever like, yeah, Luke, he's gonna He's.

1478
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: Gonna say, guys, can I jump around? Yeah? Okay? Jump up?

1479
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: Sweek number nine here from CFC underscore Fielder. I like

1480
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: this question, yeah, Cecil Fielder, he says. Luke mentioned on

1481
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: Friday's MK that he thought maybe gone hit his limit

1482
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: at MMA Factory, potentially taking nothing away from John's win.

1483
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: Is it time, Brian Campbell, so for him to explore

1484
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: a new place to trade.

1485
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 3: You're saying this is actually a referendum of Ferdinand Lopez. Yeah,

1486
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 3: it might be even deeper than the m M a

1487
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: I Analytics video was a little bit of that too.

1488
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not so much about his ground game.

1489
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: That's more about the conflict between manager and promoter.

1490
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: Uh, and manager and trainer.

1491
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the contrast of white on white. Right, Connor

1492
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: grows a great line right in between the moon and you.

1493
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: The angels get a better.

1494
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: View, right? Uh? What part of that is on strip?

1495
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: Raped and strangled by Cannibal Corp. It was a cover. Yeah,

1496
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. Yeah, I mean, I guess you

1497
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: can say that, Luke.

1498
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: I don't look at disappointing night for Cyril Gone, whether

1499
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: mcinnernie thinks it is or not, you know, Uh okay.

1500
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: Tweet ten from Diego Cherry Ruiz.

1501
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: Does the Chefchenko Grosso rematch make sense for a Fight

1502
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: Night in Mexico City in September, which, of course is Mexico's.

1503
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Now endance month.

1504
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: Freak freak the fight night idea, Let's go straight with

1505
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: giving Mexico City another big pay per view and let's

1506
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 3: put Brandon Marino in the.

1507
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: The problem is elevation. It's seven thousand plus feet above

1508
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: sea level. That's fucking high, dude, that's two thousand feet

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: more than Denver.

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: So what are you saying? I know what you're saying.

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01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: I know what that means. But what do you I

1512
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: don't mind taking a Marquis. I don't want to take

1513
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of I know what you're saying. What am

1514
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: I saying? I don't want Vulk to have to go

1515
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: fight at that elevation.

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01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: Because I have Tony Ferguson beat fucking half al dos

1517
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: Aos in the sky in Mexico City.

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: If you're good enough, you can do it, Okay, then

1519
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: what's the issue. Then just let's do it. Can't Mexico

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01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: get it because a bunch of people fucking can't. You're

1521
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: talking about Vulcan Vulcan, Okay, then what's the problem him

1522
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: versus Yah? Year is the main is a fight night.

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01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight night.

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01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: I want to pay per view Mexco City with three

1525
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: Mexican champions defending their titles.

1526
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: Is that too much to ask? Yes?

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: Uh, there's a couple of these that we kind of

1528
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: already got to. Here's one, let's go to tweet four

1529
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: if we can from pko co sar BC. He asked

1530
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: me this, but let's pitch it to you. How do

1531
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: you think John would do against Prime Kane the Lasquez?

1532
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: What a great question, Peter Cocos are.

1533
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: We don't know, We don't freaking know. What is this like?

1534
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 3: Does I'm gonna take sixty seconds of John with a

1535
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: big belly sitting on Gone and go, oh yeah, it'd

1536
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: be great against con Kane.

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, Like Kane would not make

1538
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: those mistakes, like he did make a very crucial mistake, though.

1539
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: He made a few, but not like the kind of wrestling,

1540
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: and like mistakes that got Gone's mistakes were amateurs. Here

1541
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: we go BC Tweet eleven from Tyrone Davis. What do

1542
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: you attribute to the continuing turnover of championship belts from

1543
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: longtime dominant champions too hungry contenders in the last twelve

1544
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: to eighteen months.

1545
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: It's a I don't think it's necessary. It feels like

1546
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: a new trend.

1547
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: It's a reminder of how hard it is to sustain

1548
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: in a wind streak in this sport. I think it's

1549
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: constantly showing you how quickly this sport is evolving, how

1550
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: how quickly contenders are adding to their gamming. People are

1551
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: becoming more well rounded at a faster level. There's always

1552
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: been a million ways to win, but nothing is ever guaranteed. Luke,

1553
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: you gotta be on your game every second, all twenty

1554
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 3: five minutes of a championship fight. It's it's impossi it's

1555
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 3: nearly impossible to do what these what these handful of

1556
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: great fighters have done, which is put together a long

1557
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 3: title reign with multiple defenses.

1558
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: And then let's say one more great thing about John Johnson.

1559
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 3: If he was never stripped of the title three separate

1560
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 3: times UFC record, he would have like blown all those

1561
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: stats out of the wall, right for career title defense

1562
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: is consecutive, like all that stuff. He I think this

1563
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: puts him in first place alone for most combined title defenses.

1564
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, this isn't a title defense.

1565
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: Sorry, he's tied with Demetris Johnson right now with combined

1566
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: eleven title defenses. Yeah, it's not in one consecutive ring.

1567
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's I mean, he's gonna blow it up. Look,

1568
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: he's not going to be two and done. If John

1569
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 3: Jones keeps winning, he's staying. He's hanging around.

1570
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: I think is it's just the fights. I don't think

1571
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 1: we'll be as interesting to him, but we'll see.

1572
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: Tweet twelve apathetic lawlor at bigger upset Pena or Grosso.

1573
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: Good question, Oh the newness Painia fight by.

1574
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Fun Yeah, I would agree with that.

1575
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 3: That's to me, that's arguably the biggest upset in the

1576
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: history of the sport, which means you have to put

1577
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 3: it up against Rousey versus Home, which means you have

1578
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 3: to put it up against Sarah versus GSP, which means

1579
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: you have to put it up against who's that chick

1580
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: who lost to Shana Young when she was like, you know,

1581
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: which was like plus eight thousand.

1582
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're done. A gotova. Was

1583
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: that Shane Young? She thought? Or somebody else? Who did she?

1584
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: Maria ag? We could end this. Is it because the

1585
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: camera guys are literally just making armpit noises? Is it

1586
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: because of my my skin blotches? Well? I mean you

1587
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: just you know, look at you. We did a lot

1588
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: of works from people. People were like, oh, you guys

1589
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: are going to cool boxing on John.

1590
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you know how many motherfuckers in this industry?

1591
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: You could call boxing fights and then do a show

1592
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: like this. You're looking at how many could do it.

1593
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: You're looking at how many could do it.

1594
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1595
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: I also wrote a couple of recaps for CBS appeared

1596
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: on in CBS Sports HQ. You want to know why,

1597
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: because we're fucking great at this okay, And this is

1598
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 3: not a crag about how great we are. It's to

1599
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 3: show you that if you want it bad enough, you're

1600
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: gonna go after it. You're gonna grab that thing with

1601
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: two hands.

1602
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: I really freaking look, you would say this, You'll say

1603
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: one thing about me. You don't always love me. You don't.

1604
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: You never laugh at my jokes For the most part,

1605
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: they're not that good.

1606
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: But I grab they're not that good. I grabbed that

1607
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: thing with two hands. You grab the Yeah, congratula. It's

1608
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: just you know, like I grabbed him titty.

1609
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1610
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: All right, we're done here. Let's remind everyone. Let's remind everyone.

1611
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: We're on Monday Live eleven am. We got tons more

1612
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: coverage coming your way all next week. Plus of course,

1613
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: we have to get all the stuff that happened this

1614
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: weekend beyond.

1615
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: Oh do that Showtime Championship Boxing Man, the art camera man,

1616
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: Drew had a big heart.

1617
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: He was like that born in the UFC. Although Jared

1618
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: heard lost. That was fucking terrible. Yeah, big loss for

1619
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: the d m V. Right, well, well there was a

1620
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: couple of DMV fighters who won, but not Jared heard.

1621
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do?

1622
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: Let's see, Yeah, we're done, okay. So I want to

1623
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 2: thank everyone, all the crew who came late.

1624
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, b C. Dude, you're such a bit.

1625
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have liked about time somebody finally said it, like,

1626
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: you can have it, you can, I'll close the show.

1627
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: You could take off.

1628
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 3: I was saying, in on you in honor of Valentina's

1629
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 3: long Street coming to an end, do you want to

1630
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: reprise her dance?

1631
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: Like you not doing your fucking you do our dance?

1632
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: I'll do. I'll count us out. I had more emotional support.

1633
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: I might think about it.

1634
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: But you know, all right, that's Brian Campbell. I want

1635
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: to thank all the maulk A crew who came in

1636
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: and helped everything go so smoothly tonight for both broadcasts. Yeah,

1637
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: we appreciate it. Uh, let's see, we're back on Monday

1638
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: Live at eleven am. So for Brian Campbell, from Walk

1639
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: of Showtime, CBS Sports. Thanks to Mikey for watching, help

1640
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: us with the tweets. Thanks to all the guys in

1641
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: the back of everything, all the good stuff and all

1642
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: the highlights too for social We appreciate it. Until next time,

1643
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: gets some.

1644
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: Sleep, and if you don't like it, you can kiss

1645
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: our ass. Yeah,