Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting next to the one and
Speaker 1: only Wes Hodkowits were coming to you here from our
Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. Earlier this week, we
Speaker 1: got our first media access to the players, to the
Speaker 1: locker room, to the o t a practice at ray
Speaker 1: nitchky Field. A lot of different topics that we can
Speaker 1: toss around here over the next couple of episodes, but
Speaker 1: we might as well start with QB one because for
Speaker 1: all the things that have been circulating out there this offseason,
Speaker 1: there's been this a little bit of an undercurrent of
Speaker 1: you know, will Aaron Rodgers, after two broken collar bones
Speaker 1: in the last four to five years, is he going
Speaker 1: to maybe start to play the game a little differently
Speaker 1: or you know, be concerned himself with extending his career
Speaker 1: and whatnot in terms of the exposure to injury. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is having none of it. He's not changing how
Speaker 1: he's going to play the game. Nope. That was his
Speaker 1: one word answer when he was asked about it earlier
Speaker 1: this week. And here's my perspective on this, Michael, all Right,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about the two injuries two
Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand seventeen. I know one of the
Speaker 1: questions been been posed to both Rodgers and his coaches
Speaker 1: this week was, you know he was outside the pocket
Speaker 1: when these things happened, and and you know, if he
Speaker 1: needs to consider changing that. If if Aaron Rodgers was
Speaker 1: running around like Michael Vick, if he's downfield taking those
Speaker 1: kind of hits, or even like Andrew Luck did for
Speaker 1: a number of years, where people are kind of criticizing
Speaker 1: how many, how much you know, contact he was taking,
Speaker 1: I think I would feel differently. But Rogers isn't out
Speaker 1: there acting like a crash test dummy. He's very methodical
Speaker 1: in his approach in the pocket and when he's moving
Speaker 1: out when he's not, there's no wasteed motion in that
Speaker 1: at all. There everything has a reason behind it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I know there's always gonna be inherent danger, inherent risk
Speaker 1: as it relates to him, But that can be said
Speaker 1: for every position, you know. I remember there was a
Speaker 1: couple of years there, I think where it was Eddie Lacy.
Speaker 1: You know, should Eddie Lacy be taking as many hits?
Speaker 1: Should he be trying to get out to the sideline more. Uh,
Speaker 1: do the Packers need to consider working on the rep count.
Speaker 1: There's always a question if Aaron Rodgers would change his
Speaker 1: whole mentality and stay in the pocket, then the narrative
Speaker 1: would become, well, why isn't Aaron Rodgers outside the pocket anymore?
Speaker 1: Everything has a cause and effect. We're now at a
Speaker 1: point we're a decade into his career as a starter money,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is what he is as a quarterback. He
Speaker 1: still finds ways to improve his game and to kind
Speaker 1: of add things to his repertoire, but he's become a
Speaker 1: two time m v P A Super Bowl champion getting
Speaker 1: to this level the way he's played. I understand he's
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, but the time might eventually come
Speaker 1: if he does want to play into his forties, where
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to make an adjustment. I thought he
Speaker 1: did that in two thousand fourteen when he had the
Speaker 1: calf injury staying inside the pocket. But right now I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that makes him great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And this is my take,
Speaker 1: and this is admittedly simplistic, but for all the contact,
Speaker 1: the collisions, everything that happened in NFL games. Broken bones
Speaker 1: are fluke, because otherwise they'd happen a heck of a
Speaker 1: lot more than they do. They're a fluke and it's
Speaker 1: happened twice to Aaron Rodgers. And they are the only
Speaker 1: injuries since he has been a starter that have kept
Speaker 1: him on the sidelines for any extended period of time. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's had a concussion here there, calf injury stuff that
Speaker 1: he's tried to play through. But the broken bones, the
Speaker 1: broken collar bones, is what you know has kept him out.
Speaker 1: Their fluke plays. He could just as easily break bones
Speaker 1: by staying in the pocket and taking a hit. That
Speaker 1: that's just the way. That's what happened to Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: two years ago. Remember that when Clay Matthews had the
Speaker 1: hit and Hoyer broke his arm, right he was inside
Speaker 1: the pot, Yeah, he was inside. I mean Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: could you know, cock his arm in the pocket and
Speaker 1: his and his arm could hit some guy on the
Speaker 1: helmet or in the face mask or whatever. He could
Speaker 1: crack his forearm and be out for the season again
Speaker 1: or something. I mean it to me, this whole inside
Speaker 1: and outside the pocket and change the way you play
Speaker 1: the game. It's just it's not a narrative that that
Speaker 1: that I buy into it all, and clearly Rogers doesn't either.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to excel at this level, you
Speaker 1: can't play with a fearful mindset. You can't play with restrictions.
Speaker 1: You have to play the way that you play the game.
Speaker 1: If Aaron Rodgers is curtailing certain aspects based on the
Speaker 1: and you know, potential risk, then he's not being Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a bunch of different probabilities when you
Speaker 1: step on the field. Everyone gets that, players get that,
Speaker 1: but that's all based on probability and unlikeliness. You have
Speaker 1: to play the game for what it is. The hypoth
Speaker 1: you know, the hypothetical is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to play with what's in front of him,
Speaker 1: and it's what's got into the points. Yeah. A couple
Speaker 1: other comments that Rogers made that I thought were really intriguing. Um.
Speaker 1: He talked about Jimmy Graham, very impressed with what he's
Speaker 1: seen so far from the new tight end in this offense,
Speaker 1: And one particular line in his comment about Graham that
Speaker 1: interested me. He made reference to Graham being able to
Speaker 1: read coverages very quickly. Um, that says a lot for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, But what I think it says for the
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen Green Bay Packers. Something that we talked
Speaker 1: about on a previous show is Aaron Rodgers noticing that
Speaker 1: and feeling that way about Jimmy Graham tells me this
Speaker 1: whole process of those two getting on the same page
Speaker 1: is not going to take very long. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence in what this guy brings to the table.
Speaker 1: He does, he absolutely does. And I think Graham's also
Speaker 1: guy that's going to fit in well with this locker room.
Speaker 1: It's only been a couple of days that we've seen him,
Speaker 1: you know, around the team, and that from with our eyeballs,
Speaker 1: but he just his personality just seems a really mess.
Speaker 1: He does remind me more of that Jared Cook sort
Speaker 1: of just un assuming kind of guy has out of
Speaker 1: this world athleticism, out of this world ability, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't openly advertise that. He just as he said from
Speaker 1: the day at the beginning of the Office program, he
Speaker 1: wants to do his job, he wants to win that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring and he feels like this is the
Speaker 1: best conduit to making that happening. Yeah. Absolutely, With that,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to a break back with more on
Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted.
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodko, WIT's over there West, continuing
Speaker 1: our discussion here on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: we talked about Rogers Jimmy Graham, life after Jordy Nelson begins.
Speaker 1: Now for the Green Bay Packers as we get into O. T, A.
Speaker 1: S and uh, pretty clear cut who the new leaders
Speaker 1: are in the Packers wide receiver room. And I shouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily say leaders because Randall Cobb has been one for
Speaker 1: a while, but now also Davante Adams becomes the pairing
Speaker 1: with Randall Cobb as far as the veteran leaders at
Speaker 1: that position group, a position group that has a lot
Speaker 1: of young guys who are going to be competing but
Speaker 1: also trying to find their way in this league. And
Speaker 1: I thought one of the interesting things I wrote a
Speaker 1: story about this this week, Mike two under in nine
Speaker 1: regular season games played right now, among those eleven receivers
Speaker 1: in the Packers in that room right now, hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five of them belonged to Randall Cobb in DeVante Adams,
Speaker 1: twenty six apiece for Geronimo Allison and Trevor Davison, two
Speaker 1: from Michael Clark, along with three rookie draft picks coming
Speaker 1: in in a litany of other players trying to make
Speaker 1: the squad. Here's the thing, Randall Cobb has been in
Speaker 1: this role before. He was in it in two thousand
Speaker 1: fifteen as well. He was thrust in it when Jordy
Speaker 1: Nelson goes down to the a c L injury in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: He's not He's He's been a leader at a young age.
Speaker 1: For him, as he said this week with reporters, it's
Speaker 1: nothing new even though Jordy Nelson isn't in that room.
Speaker 1: The most telling thing I thought was Davante Adams and
Speaker 1: listen to him speak for almost twenty minutes in locker
Speaker 1: room on on Tuesday, he mentioned this. I thought it
Speaker 1: was such an interesting point, is that he's always had
Speaker 1: that confidence to be a leader. He likes being a
Speaker 1: guy that people go to, and he understood when he
Speaker 1: signed that contract extension back in December, this is what
Speaker 1: is going to be required of him. But being that
Speaker 1: he was a twenty two year old rookie four years ago,
Speaker 1: being that he had Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb at a time,
Speaker 1: James Jones in that room a year later, he wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna voice his opinion. He wasn't gonna be that outspoken
Speaker 1: because he wanted to give that respect. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to step on any feet. But don't get it twisted.
Speaker 1: He feels very comfortable being a guy that that players
Speaker 1: can go to and be in the face of an
Speaker 1: offense UH and a receiver group. And I think even
Speaker 1: I saw Marquez Valdes Scantling the rookie fifth round pick
Speaker 1: out of usf retweeting the story that I had written
Speaker 1: for Packers dot Com and even said, couldn't asked for
Speaker 1: two better role models and how to be a professional,
Speaker 1: how to be a packer. Those two guys are the
Speaker 1: ones that are responsible for setting the standard now for them.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's something that both Cobb
Speaker 1: and Adams fully embrace. Yeah, I think what I see
Speaker 1: with the Packers because we've seen we've seen the leadership
Speaker 1: mantle UH change hands several times over even just within
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers decade as a starting quarterback, you had your
Speaker 1: your Donald Drivers and you're Greg Jennings, and you're James
Speaker 1: Jones and Jordy Nelson, and now it's Davante Adams and
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb. I don't know if it's something about the
Speaker 1: position group or just about those individuals, the type of
Speaker 1: guys who who are brought in to Green Bay and
Speaker 1: and you know, become those playmakers. All these guys are
Speaker 1: so comfortable in their own skin. They are completely at
Speaker 1: ease with who they are, and when leadership is thrust
Speaker 1: upon them, Davantae Adams is not going out there saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to lead like Jordy Nelson, or I need
Speaker 1: to lead like James Jones or Donald Driver. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be Davante Adams. And Randall Cobb has been that waste
Speaker 1: since he walked in as a as a very young
Speaker 1: twenty one year old in two thousand eleven, you know,
Speaker 1: very mature beyond his years, and now he is the
Speaker 1: elder statesman in the Packers locker room. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it's anything all that, you know, all that burdensome,
Speaker 1: I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Because these
Speaker 1: guys are very comfortable with who they are and here's
Speaker 1: the thing, like getting back to what Aaron Rodgers earlier.
Speaker 1: Another topic he was asked about was the whole Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant fiasco. In that narrative, that's alter that the Packers
Speaker 1: would they be interested in does Bryant? Thanks Jason Witten, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right exactly. And you know, Roger said, I mean, why
Speaker 1: why would we sign Dez Bryant? You know, when when
Speaker 1: you let go of Jordy Nelson, when you have all
Speaker 1: these young receivers. And I said this during the pre draft.
Speaker 1: I'm sure remember it when we're going out of the
Speaker 1: combine and looking at some of the stuff going into
Speaker 1: the draft, by and large, not even close. The position
Speaker 1: the Packers have done the best job of drafting and
Speaker 1: developing is receiver. They've done it with all the guys
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, So why at that point do why
Speaker 1: was even before Briant? I know there's questions about Sammy
Speaker 1: Atkins and other people putting all this stuff out there.
Speaker 1: The Packers have done such a pure job of developing
Speaker 1: those guys and finding playmakers. I think there has to
Speaker 1: be a lot of trust there that it's going to
Speaker 1: happen again. And that's why, you know, Adams and Cobb.
Speaker 1: They're a product of that tree, and I think they
Speaker 1: understand exactly what their role is now is they try
Speaker 1: to cultivate, you know, that that new generation of Packers receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think when you look at when you look
Speaker 1: at this young group, Aaron Rodgers made the comment when
Speaker 1: it comes to the rookie wide receivers, he didn't really
Speaker 1: have an assessment necessarily of how they're doing because he
Speaker 1: hasn't thrown very many passes to them at all in
Speaker 1: the eleven on eleven drills at O T as yet
Speaker 1: because of where they are on the depth chart. Guys
Speaker 1: like Davante Adams and Randall Cobb can tell these young receivers.
Speaker 1: You know, Adams in particular can say, hey, look where
Speaker 1: I was on the depth chart in when I was rookie,
Speaker 1: and it was what maybe the New England game and
Speaker 1: November of his rookie season before he really sort of
Speaker 1: had his coming out party, so to speak, of like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's this rookie receiver and look what he can do.
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb the same thing, although you know he had
Speaker 1: that big kickoff return in his very first gaming Saints,
Speaker 1: but offensively in this offense with Aaron Rodgers Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1: It it took some time to become an impact player
Speaker 1: because of where he was on the depth chart when
Speaker 1: he walked in. Those are great examples for these young guys,
Speaker 1: for you know, Jamon Moore and for eq st Brown,
Speaker 1: these guys. When you're used to be in the star
Speaker 1: being the man in a big time offense in college,
Speaker 1: you don't just step into that role in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but you can get there. And these two guys, Adams
Speaker 1: and Cobb, are perfect examples of how you get there.
Speaker 1: And Adams said too, there's another side of that ballgame
Speaker 1: as well, what he went through in two thousand and fifteen.
Speaker 1: He said, no matter what you've gone through, and this
Speaker 1: isn't being you know, he's not. This is a humble brake,
Speaker 1: but he's like, I've been through a million times worse
Speaker 1: because of the pressure that got put on him after
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson was gone and the injury that happened, right
Speaker 1: and that was just in his second season. He had
Speaker 1: to pick himself up and then end up having the
Speaker 1: breakthrough season in two thousand and sixteen. That's just sometimes
Speaker 1: the way it goes. And I think that's as he said,
Speaker 1: adds a lot of credit ality to that argument when
Speaker 1: they have those conversations with young players, no question about it.
Speaker 1: With that, we'll go to a break back with more
Speaker 1: on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted.
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford in this chair, West Hodko wits in that one,
Speaker 1: West shifting to the defensive side of the ball. I
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of anticipation and whatnot as to
Speaker 1: just what the Packers secondary is going to look like
Speaker 1: with the top two draft picks coming in at cornerback
Speaker 1: Jaire Alexander Josh Jackson. Kevin King spoke at his locker
Speaker 1: the other day and um, I guess probably the best
Speaker 1: news of of everything that we've heard is that his
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, the shoulder injury that cut short his rookie season,
Speaker 1: everything everything went well. He's not absolutely fully medically cleared
Speaker 1: to participate in everything right now. I think the Packers
Speaker 1: are holding out until until training camp for for that stage.
Speaker 1: But Kevin King is very confident in his health right
Speaker 1: now and he's excited for what lies ahead. And there's
Speaker 1: levels to this thing. Mike, you can be back for
Speaker 1: the off season program and be able to participate in
Speaker 1: this stuff. And you know, have some restrictions before training camp,
Speaker 1: you also cannot be doing anything too. So the fact
Speaker 1: that he is out there, I think points to that progress.
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, he had one of the
Speaker 1: best in the business. Dr James Andrew is probably one
Speaker 1: of the most famous sports surgeons in the country. Work
Speaker 1: on that shoulder feels like he took care of him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go. He's gonna be able to get his
Speaker 1: hands on guys this season pressing at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Feels really good about that right now and where he's sitting.
Speaker 1: And then he also mentioned too, I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that they've brought in two more cornerbacks into this competition
Speaker 1: with JayR Alexander and Josh Jackson. Truman Williams coming in
Speaker 1: a guy that he's expecting to learn from as well
Speaker 1: with the wealth of experience that Traumont has had over
Speaker 1: the last eleven years in this league. I've been saying
Speaker 1: at all offseason, the Packers have built a lot of
Speaker 1: depth at the cornerback position, and for for King to
Speaker 1: be back and participating in this and the plans that
Speaker 1: the Packers have for him, in the bright spots that
Speaker 1: he showed during his rookie season despite that shoulder injury.
Speaker 1: I think that bodes well for what he's gonna have
Speaker 1: in store now for his sophomore campaign. Yeah, let's not
Speaker 1: let's not forget this. Uh, this is one tough cookie
Speaker 1: here from the University of Washington, because this is this
Speaker 1: is a shoulder injury that you know, he he played
Speaker 1: through it a good stretch in in his rookie season
Speaker 1: before he was shut down, but he had to battle
Speaker 1: this in college at times as well, with the shoulder
Speaker 1: popping out of place because of the problems and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he just he just kept after it.
Speaker 1: And I sensed I sensed not not only some relief,
Speaker 1: but some excitement on his part that he feels like,
Speaker 1: for the first time in a while, the shoulder is
Speaker 1: not something that has to be on his mind, that
Speaker 1: that that that he has to think about. And when
Speaker 1: you combine perhaps that, uh, that that mind at ease
Speaker 1: type of position with the talent and the ability that
Speaker 1: we haven't seen frankly yet on the field because he
Speaker 1: really only played about half a season, it'll be really
Speaker 1: intriguing what what develops. I think of it a lot
Speaker 1: like a car. You know, where you're driving a car
Speaker 1: and let's say you got a dang or you got
Speaker 1: an a Fender vendor uh and and you keep driving it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're not driving it, it's gonna feel like everything's okay.
Speaker 1: But when you have to get back in it, you're
Speaker 1: not making anything better. You do have to get it repaired.
Speaker 1: And I go back to that game, I think it
Speaker 1: was against Pittsburgh, where you could just see him battling
Speaker 1: through it and and just pushing himself through it. He'd
Speaker 1: miss practices, he'd miss a game, he'd come back. There
Speaker 1: was just that understanding that, Okay, we gotta get this
Speaker 1: thing better for the long run as opposed to just
Speaker 1: the short term. Something else that was very interesting, Mike,
Speaker 1: and I pointed this out when you and I were
Speaker 1: standing at practice, the fact that, yeah, we could talk
Speaker 1: about Kevin King until we're blowing the face. But Quentin
Speaker 1: Rollins was back on the field after having that nasty
Speaker 1: achilles injury last season. Herb water Is, who had the
Speaker 1: solar surgery last training camp. Packers were high on him
Speaker 1: making a conversion from receiver. He was back on the field.
Speaker 1: Kentroll Bryce back from the ankle injury. So the Packers
Speaker 1: finally are getting healthy in that secondary, which I know
Speaker 1: it's it's may you're anticipating that that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But the fact that those guys are back on the field,
Speaker 1: to me, once you know, July rolls around, that is
Speaker 1: the position between cornerback and safety and who ends up
Speaker 1: playing in nickel and dimes situations. It's the biggest battle.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest competition. There are so many players with
Speaker 1: experience going to be in that that battle. To see
Speaker 1: these guys being able to get back on the field
Speaker 1: and potentially in a position for that first training camp
Speaker 1: practice and start competing, I think that's something that Joe
Speaker 1: Wit and that entire defense has to feel good about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, is that with some
Speaker 1: of these injuries, I was certainly anticipating, you know, more
Speaker 1: guys being held out, you know where maybe you're waiting
Speaker 1: for the first practice of training camp. But when with
Speaker 1: the work that they're able to get Now, as you said,
Speaker 1: the competition is going to be intense, It's going to
Speaker 1: be sharp. These guys are are going to be going
Speaker 1: at it because not only for the pecking order and
Speaker 1: whatnot in terms of playing time, but just flat out
Speaker 1: making the roster because of because of the all those
Speaker 1: young guys from you know, the year one to year three,
Speaker 1: four guys that are in that mix. There's not gonna
Speaker 1: be room for all of them. That's just the bottom
Speaker 1: line exactly. And kudos the Herb Waters. He told me
Speaker 1: in January he'd be cleared for O t A s
Speaker 1: and he was lived up to his word. All right.
Speaker 1: With that, we will go to a break back with
Speaker 1: more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford alongside West Hodko. It's West quickly
Speaker 1: before we go. Worth mentioning here that, especially for those
Speaker 1: fans locally who are coming out to the open O
Speaker 1: t A practices, some familiar faces not in their jerseys
Speaker 1: but on the side headlines for Green Bay this spring
Speaker 1: as coaching interns. Coincidentally, all of them on the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl forty five roster from two thousand ten. Talking about
Speaker 1: jareded Bush, Brandon Jackson, and Nick Barnett. Now, Brandon Jackson
Speaker 1: was here last year in the same sort of coaching
Speaker 1: intern capacity and then He's worked at a couple of
Speaker 1: small colleges um with with his uh you know, trying
Speaker 1: to break into coaching, and now Jared Bush and Nick
Speaker 1: Barnett trying to do the same thing, get into the
Speaker 1: coaching business after they're playing days. Just interesting to see
Speaker 1: some of those familiar faces out there as they as
Speaker 1: they try to take that next step in their careers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not even just the familiar faces out there.
Speaker 1: It was in the stadium. I ran into Jared Bush
Speaker 1: walking around on Wednesday, and uh, just like he did
Speaker 1: when he was a player. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this, Jared Bush was very very rarely available in
Speaker 1: the locker room, Like he just wasn't in there. If
Speaker 1: you wanted to get him, you could get him. He
Speaker 1: just wasn't sitting at his locker on his iPhone the
Speaker 1: entire time. What he used to do all the time
Speaker 1: is he put on a weight pack, run into the bowl,
Speaker 1: and he'd run the stairs. He didn't have the weight pack.
Speaker 1: The guy went and did that again. I mean, like
Speaker 1: he looks phenomenal right now. And I've even said this
Speaker 1: to one of the r PR communications assistant, Nate like Cassio.
Speaker 1: I mean he even looks like he got taller. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I forgot how tall Jared Bush was.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. He's a great guy to
Speaker 1: have in here, just starting with him first and foremost,
Speaker 1: because yes, he knew with the everything ins and outs
Speaker 1: of Dom Caper's defense, but he also made himself valuable
Speaker 1: on special teams. For any young guy that's trying to
Speaker 1: make this fifty three, Jared Bush should be your idol.
Speaker 1: You should have a picture of him up on your
Speaker 1: mantle in terms of an undrafted free agent out of
Speaker 1: Utah State that came in and did everything that was
Speaker 1: asked of him and made himself valuable for nine years
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Nick Barnett a vet veteran's veteran, you know,
Speaker 1: as long as he was around. And then obviously Brandon
Speaker 1: Jackson having the experience he did last year with Ben
Speaker 1: sermons to a good group to learn from here during
Speaker 1: the offseason program. Yeah, when you talk about Jared Bush
Speaker 1: being um, you know, being a poster boy so to
Speaker 1: speak for last lack of a better phrase, for some
Speaker 1: of these young guys. Let's not forget his even first
Speaker 1: attempt into the NFL failed. He get he gets released
Speaker 1: by Carolina, the Packers end up claim claiming him on waivers,
Speaker 1: and then for the better part of a decade he
Speaker 1: becomes a special team standout and then the occasional fill
Speaker 1: in uh in the defensive backfield, both at corner or
Speaker 1: safety when something was needed, and the guy gets an
Speaker 1: interception in the Super Bowl against Ben Roethlisberger. Absolutely, just
Speaker 1: an incredible career he had. I remember Don Caper Santa too.
Speaker 1: He could play basically every position that wasn't defensive line,
Speaker 1: could play the linebacker spots, he could play dime linebacker.
Speaker 1: He could do whatever you needed him to do, and
Speaker 1: he's a good guy to learn from. Yeah, it's good
Speaker 1: to see these guys back. It's always nice to reconnect
Speaker 1: with familiar faces. But with that, we will sign off
Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow
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Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time.