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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting next to the one and

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Speaker 1: only Wes Hodkowits were coming to you here from our

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Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. Earlier this week, we

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Speaker 1: got our first media access to the players, to the

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Speaker 1: locker room, to the o t a practice at ray

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Speaker 1: nitchky Field. A lot of different topics that we can

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Speaker 1: toss around here over the next couple of episodes, but

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Speaker 1: we might as well start with QB one because for

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Speaker 1: all the things that have been circulating out there this offseason,

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Speaker 1: there's been this a little bit of an undercurrent of

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Speaker 1: you know, will Aaron Rodgers, after two broken collar bones

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Speaker 1: in the last four to five years, is he going

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Speaker 1: to maybe start to play the game a little differently

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Speaker 1: or you know, be concerned himself with extending his career

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Speaker 1: and whatnot in terms of the exposure to injury. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is having none of it. He's not changing how

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Speaker 1: he's going to play the game. Nope. That was his

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Speaker 1: one word answer when he was asked about it earlier

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Speaker 1: this week. And here's my perspective on this, Michael, all Right,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about the two injuries two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand seventeen. I know one of the

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Speaker 1: questions been been posed to both Rodgers and his coaches

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Speaker 1: this week was, you know he was outside the pocket

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Speaker 1: when these things happened, and and you know, if he

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Speaker 1: needs to consider changing that. If if Aaron Rodgers was

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Speaker 1: running around like Michael Vick, if he's downfield taking those

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Speaker 1: kind of hits, or even like Andrew Luck did for

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Speaker 1: how many, how much you know, contact he was taking,

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Speaker 1: I think I would feel differently. But Rogers isn't out

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Speaker 1: there acting like a crash test dummy. He's very methodical

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Speaker 1: in his approach in the pocket and when he's moving

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Speaker 1: out when he's not, there's no wasteed motion in that

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Speaker 1: at all. There everything has a reason behind it. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know there's always gonna be inherent danger, inherent risk

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Speaker 1: as it relates to him, But that can be said

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Speaker 1: You know, should Eddie Lacy be taking as many hits?

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Speaker 1: Should he be trying to get out to the sideline more. Uh,

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Speaker 1: do the Packers need to consider working on the rep count.

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Speaker 1: There's always a question if Aaron Rodgers would change his

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Speaker 1: would become, well, why isn't Aaron Rodgers outside the pocket anymore?

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Speaker 1: Everything has a cause and effect. We're now at a

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Speaker 1: point we're a decade into his career as a starter money,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is what he is as a quarterback. He

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Speaker 1: still finds ways to improve his game and to kind

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Speaker 1: two time m v P A Super Bowl champion getting

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Speaker 1: to this level the way he's played. I understand he's

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Speaker 1: thirty four years old, but the time might eventually come

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Speaker 1: if he does want to play into his forties, where

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to make an adjustment. I thought he

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Speaker 1: did that in two thousand fourteen when he had the

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Speaker 1: calf injury staying inside the pocket. But right now I

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that makes him great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And this is my take,

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Speaker 1: and this is admittedly simplistic, but for all the contact,

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Speaker 1: the collisions, everything that happened in NFL games. Broken bones

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Speaker 1: are fluke, because otherwise they'd happen a heck of a

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Speaker 1: lot more than they do. They're a fluke and it's

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Speaker 1: happened twice to Aaron Rodgers. And they are the only

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Speaker 1: injuries since he has been a starter that have kept

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Speaker 1: he's had a concussion here there, calf injury stuff that

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Speaker 1: he's tried to play through. But the broken bones, the

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Speaker 1: broken collar bones, is what you know has kept him out.

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Speaker 1: Their fluke plays. He could just as easily break bones

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Speaker 1: by staying in the pocket and taking a hit. That

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Speaker 1: that's just the way. That's what happened to Brian Hoyer

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Speaker 1: hit and Hoyer broke his arm, right he was inside

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Speaker 1: the pot, Yeah, he was inside. I mean Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: the game. It's just it's not a narrative that that

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Speaker 1: And if you're going to excel at this level, you

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Speaker 1: can't play with a fearful mindset. You can't play with restrictions.

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Speaker 1: If Aaron Rodgers is curtailing certain aspects based on the

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a bunch of different probabilities when you

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Speaker 1: but that's all based on probability and unlikeliness. You have

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to play with what's in front of him,

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Speaker 1: and it's what's got into the points. Yeah. A couple

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Speaker 1: And one particular line in his comment about Graham that

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Speaker 1: He does, he absolutely does. And I think Graham's also

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Speaker 1: It's only been a couple of days that we've seen him,

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Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted.

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Speaker 1: Mike Spofford here, Wes Hodko, WIT's over there West, continuing

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Speaker 1: our discussion here on the offensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: we talked about Rogers Jimmy Graham, life after Jordy Nelson begins.

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Speaker 1: S and uh, pretty clear cut who the new leaders

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Speaker 1: the thing, like getting back to what Aaron Rodgers earlier.

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Speaker 1: Another topic he was asked about was the whole Dez

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Speaker 1: right exactly. And you know, Roger said, I mean, why

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Speaker 1: could play the linebacker spots, he could play dime linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He could do whatever you needed him to do, and

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Speaker 1: he's a good guy to learn from. Yeah, it's good

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Speaker 1: to see these guys back. It's always nice to reconnect

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Speaker 1: with familiar faces. But with that, we will sign off

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Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow

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Speaker 1: Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for

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