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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's. It's another edition of the Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 1: three weeks away, twenty one days out from the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and I can see Dane Brugler all fresh and ready
Speaker 1: to go for this episode for many different reasons, but
Speaker 1: I think it's also because we're just within twenty one days.
Speaker 1: We've got Kevin kat Turner, Bucky Brooks is on the
Speaker 1: way as well. I'm Kyle Yeoman's so glad you're with us.
Speaker 1: But Dane, it is. I mean, I've said this probably
Speaker 1: for the last three weeks or so in its own right,
Speaker 1: but saying, hey, we're getting down to the nitty gritty,
Speaker 1: We're getting down to the final days. The escalation continues
Speaker 1: going up to the NFL Draft, but right now it's
Speaker 1: kind of feels like a little bit of a dead point,
Speaker 1: at least until we figure out some of these medicals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's fair to put it that way, because
Speaker 1: it's it's calm before the storm right now. There's a
Speaker 1: lot that's coming. We know that. But yeah, what the
Speaker 1: medicals are going on right now in Indianapolis. The way
Speaker 1: is working this year is anybody that was invited to
Speaker 1: the combine, you know, they were designated to go to
Speaker 1: a local doctor and get checked out. And then they
Speaker 1: there was about one hundred and fifty guys that had
Speaker 1: some type of issue, uh, you know, or you know,
Speaker 1: an injury in college, and they're going to Indianapolis to
Speaker 1: get a more thorough examination. And so we're going to
Speaker 1: find out what comes out of that. You know, that'll
Speaker 1: the next you know, week or two, stuff like that'll
Speaker 1: start to leak out about you know, maybe some pre
Speaker 1: existing issues we didn't know about, maybe some you know,
Speaker 1: a shoulder injury that's a little worse than what we thought.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I remember that happened with a guy
Speaker 1: like Jaya Jaye back in the day, come out of
Speaker 1: Boise State. Like his knee was just a lot worse
Speaker 1: than what you know, what we knew, and you know,
Speaker 1: we thought he was the second round pick. He lasts
Speaker 1: until like in the fifth round, I believe. So you know,
Speaker 1: it happens every year, and this year is just a
Speaker 1: little bit later because of the dynamic with the Combine
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, as we kind of navigate the
Speaker 1: pandemic with this, with this draft process, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, this is the day after Dane
Speaker 1: puts out his The Beast, the big draft guide that
Speaker 1: he does every year, and I can't help it go, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's seen a lot more players than I have, and
Speaker 1: I still have a goal of like hitting like like,
Speaker 1: I still have a goal of watching three hundred players,
Speaker 1: and then Dan releases a book with six hundred and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, dang, but what's fun is this is
Speaker 1: still kind of grind time for me. In fact, I
Speaker 1: kind of wish that they would move the masters ack
Speaker 1: a month after the draft, because like, I still like,
Speaker 1: I've still got some players they need to watch, and
Speaker 1: I've got a target of people based on the Combine
Speaker 1: invite list. And then you see, you take a peek
Speaker 1: at Dan's draft guy and you start circling some names like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's his uh you know, thirteenth corner or whatever, And
Speaker 1: I had to say that guy, yet, why haven't I
Speaker 1: seen him. I need to see him. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of grind time for me, I know. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: the great thing about rud the NFL in general, is
Speaker 1: the machine keeps pumping out storylines. Two weeks ago, forty
Speaker 1: nine ers are moving up, and we got the whole
Speaker 1: mac Jones thing, and we got the Eagles and Dolphins,
Speaker 1: you know, switching spots there as well. And then you
Speaker 1: get the Carolina Panthers trade for Sam Donald, which on
Speaker 1: surface level you could go, okay, that makes sense, but
Speaker 1: also you're like, well, what if they get rid of
Speaker 1: Teddy Ridgewater or could they still take a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, because they're gonna pick up Donald's fifth
Speaker 1: year option, but don't rule it out it, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: rule it out. So that kind of okay, what trade's
Speaker 1: gonna happen now? And then Mortenson's like Jerry Owns is
Speaker 1: infatuated with Kyl Pits and we're like everyone's infatuated with
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, we know, and it's like, you know, it
Speaker 1: just never stops. There's always something And this is kind
Speaker 1: of the funnest part of the most fun part of
Speaker 1: the year for me, you know, it's kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: like baseball's back in March madness. We've got Master's happening
Speaker 1: and everything's happening, and still kind of like, hey, got
Speaker 1: a little work to do on this draft, plus the
Speaker 1: craft that's gonna come out in the next three weeks.
Speaker 1: And if there's there's one shining example of like how
Speaker 1: to never like act like you know it all about
Speaker 1: the draft, and to me, it's the Laramie Tunsel moment,
Speaker 1: like you've got everything going night of the draft. We've
Speaker 1: got a gas mask situation that shook up that whole draft,
Speaker 1: and he's played a big part in shaking up the
Speaker 1: league with how he got traded and getting drafted later
Speaker 1: than usual. Still, like you know, Trevon Diggs going in
Speaker 1: the second round might be a more recent example, but
Speaker 1: we should never act like we know everything. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of cards to fall, especially this year, everything you
Speaker 1: know so different than usual. I mean, there's late information
Speaker 1: coming in on these players, and you know how you know,
Speaker 1: teams are operating differently just because of how different this
Speaker 1: process has been just from the fall until now, So
Speaker 1: especially this year, I would say, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: we don't know and a lot that we still have
Speaker 1: to try and figure out. I would put it at maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, these last three weeks, off everything we hear,
Speaker 1: maybe what ten percent of it ends up being true.
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be a lot of noise, a lot
Speaker 1: of rumors, a lot of things that just you know
Speaker 1: are not going to come to fruition, but we're going
Speaker 1: to hear about it the next three weeks. Well, in
Speaker 1: these storylines that continue to come out around this draft
Speaker 1: class and around what's going to happen on April twenty nine,
Speaker 1: it's almost like a ticking time bomb because we know
Speaker 1: that there's there's been some in the past, but we're
Speaker 1: waiting for the next big time bomb to drop. And
Speaker 1: of course, yesterday, like Kat said, it was Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts and sure that everybody loves Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: that was really no surprise. Doesn't change a whole lot.
Speaker 1: But I I want to get y'all's opinion on some
Speaker 1: of the storylines we've already heard. Where do we stand
Speaker 1: in the mac Jones at number three conversation, because I
Speaker 1: know we talked about that a couple weeks ago, Dane,
Speaker 1: and you said, based off of what you're hearing mac Jones,
Speaker 1: is the pick? Has anything changed since then? Or have
Speaker 1: you thought of anything else specifically that maybe deters you
Speaker 1: from that actually being the case. I wouldn't say that
Speaker 1: he is the pick, but I would definitely say he
Speaker 1: feels like the leader in the clubhouse, you know, he
Speaker 1: feels like that. That's where that the pick is trending.
Speaker 1: And the fact that this is simple fact that Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan went to his pro day, that right there tells
Speaker 1: you he's at least right there at the conversation. Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan does not go to a lot of pro days.
Speaker 1: And you know the fact that he was there and
Speaker 1: he was not there to see Naji Harris or DeVante
Speaker 1: Smith or those other guys. He was there to see
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Now Kyle Shanahan in the four nine ers
Speaker 1: will be going to Justin fields second pro day next week.
Speaker 1: That's obviously interesting. That shakes things up a little bit.
Speaker 1: And just you know, for context, there's no private workouts
Speaker 1: this process, and so to have a second pro day,
Speaker 1: it's opened anybody, So any other team can attend this
Speaker 1: second pro day with Justin Fields. So it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what other teams are there, but it still
Speaker 1: feels like mac Jones is the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 1: And I would also point out how the Panthers trade
Speaker 1: for Sam Darnold. The timing of that is really interesting
Speaker 1: is that was that a reaction to the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers moving up to three to get mac Jones. Because
Speaker 1: we remember Carolina, they coached mac Jones a senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: The owner Tepper was there, he had a chance, they
Speaker 1: had a chance to get to know mac Jones. Maybe
Speaker 1: that was the target at eight, and then once the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers moved up, they felt that strongly that Okay,
Speaker 1: they're moving up for mac Jones, so we're going to
Speaker 1: go to our backup plan, which happens to be Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: So it was that trade a reaction to the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers move Time will tell, but it's just kind
Speaker 1: of interesting as you try to connect these dots. I
Speaker 1: think it's very it's very fun to talk about these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because you could in your head, you can start,
Speaker 1: you know, getting your own head and creating these like
Speaker 1: smokescreen scenarios. Well, maybe if they go to Matt Jones
Speaker 1: head justin fields pro day, maybe Trey Lance is the
Speaker 1: pick and they could develop for one year behind Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: Like you can start talking yourself into things. To me,
Speaker 1: we know it's a quarterback at three. What in the
Speaker 1: world the Falcons are gonna do it for? It's very fascinating,
Speaker 1: you know, Cincinnati, you kind of ask people who at
Speaker 1: least cover the team in Cinzati. Got friends that cover
Speaker 1: the team in Sinzati. They kind of get the whole Well,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's probably offensive tackle or it's probably
Speaker 1: pass catcher, one of the two. So you thought you'd
Speaker 1: kind of map that out. You feel like Miami went
Speaker 1: up to get a pass catcher. That's what you think,
Speaker 1: you know at least, so you're on a vibe on this.
Speaker 1: You got no clue on Atlanta though you got a
Speaker 1: seven in Detroit. New regime there, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty dangerous if you got a real strong, you know,
Speaker 1: stone cold luck prediction of what's going to happen at seven.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things that are up in
Speaker 1: the air. One thing is interesting, and we talked about
Speaker 1: this with Denver a few weeks ago. They signed you know,
Speaker 1: Calful and Ronald Darby, so it's Denver less likely to
Speaker 1: take a cornerback. I don't know you and you have
Speaker 1: the head coach a little see Carolina signs a J.
Speaker 1: Bouye who's you know, not what he used to be
Speaker 1: and suspended for the first two games. But does that
Speaker 1: make them less likely to take a cornerback? I doubt it,
Speaker 1: but maybe you know, and if you're a team like
Speaker 1: Dallas who could use a you know, a cornerback, you know,
Speaker 1: Carolina could go off as to tackle as well. So
Speaker 1: that's a Carolina is a dangerous team. I think in
Speaker 1: terms of taking a player off the board, if if, if, if,
Speaker 1: let's say that you were longing for Certan Seul Slater
Speaker 1: or we'll say Pits just for fun, right, if you're
Speaker 1: longing for one of those four, well, Caroline is definitely
Speaker 1: a danger to take one of those players, and Denver
Speaker 1: at nine is a danger to take one of those players.
Speaker 1: I have no interest in trading up at this point,
Speaker 1: but I do think you could you can talk yourself
Speaker 1: into some into some doomsday scenarios if you want to.
Speaker 1: If those were the people you were coveting from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: stampoint at ten, well, Kevin and uh, well that's weird.
Speaker 1: I just called you, Kevin, Katie and Katie and Kyle.
Speaker 1: I want to get your answer on this question. What
Speaker 1: do you think the percentage chances that the first defensive
Speaker 1: player or there there's no defensive player drafted in the
Speaker 1: first nine picks. If you had to put a percentage
Speaker 1: on that, what do you think you would say? Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe seventy five percent. I'd probably put three three fourths
Speaker 1: of the way there because I still think there is
Speaker 1: a defensive player that goes there. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's a twenty five percent chance that they at least
Speaker 1: at eight or nine actually end up picking a player
Speaker 1: either at Carolina or Denver that's on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the football. Okay, yeah, I hate to be I
Speaker 1: hate to be two down in the middle, but I
Speaker 1: think it's it's under fifty percent. I think it's like
Speaker 1: a fort that there is that a defensive player has
Speaker 1: already been taken. Wow, I'm sorry. Yeah, I lean more
Speaker 1: towards Kyle. I guess just because when we look at
Speaker 1: uh Carolina at eight they went all defense last year,
Speaker 1: it just feels like this is going to be a
Speaker 1: trade out or were an offensive pensive tackle? Uh right? Denver.
Speaker 1: Denver's tough because you have a new GM, first year GM.
Speaker 1: We there there's a lot of unknown there. Could they
Speaker 1: be in the quarterback market? Um, you know they could
Speaker 1: go in a several different directions, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I would lean more towards Kyle. You know, we're talking
Speaker 1: sixty five seventy percent. There's there's that chance that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could be on the board of ten with every
Speaker 1: single defensive player still available. Let's add Bucky Brooks into
Speaker 1: this conversation as well, as he is now back on
Speaker 1: the Draft show. Bucky, glad you're able to join us
Speaker 1: in your fancy studio set as always wearing the shield.
Speaker 1: Wearing the shield again, I love it from your perspective.
Speaker 1: So the conversation right now that we're having Bucky is
Speaker 1: what is the likelihood that a defensive player goes in
Speaker 1: the top ten, at least above Dallas so top nine
Speaker 1: picks is what would your percentage be that a defensive
Speaker 1: player goes or excuse me, doesn't go in the top
Speaker 1: nine picks? Shoot, man, I think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: the first player. The only team I can see taking
Speaker 1: a defensive player would be at nine, maybe the Denver
Speaker 1: Broncos because big Bangio. Outside of that, you think about
Speaker 1: the run on quarterbacks that could take place. You have
Speaker 1: the cow Pitts scenario, the two offensive tackles Pine Swell
Speaker 1: and versus Later. I mean the first defensive player might
Speaker 1: be either at Denver or the Cowboys, and so that
Speaker 1: I mean you could change the equation if your Dallas
Speaker 1: because you have to pick a de litter when it
Speaker 1: comes to defensive playmakers. Yeah, I like what you know
Speaker 1: Dane said about Carolina possibly being a trade out at eight.
Speaker 1: Now after they made that trade, you know, for Darnold,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about the teams behind like thirteen,
Speaker 1: the Chargers, they could be cornerback, they could be offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: but they could be one of those positions. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: one fourteen Minnesota like in terms of it's not number
Speaker 1: of picks, but in terms of the percentage of draft
Speaker 1: inventory over the last ten years, the Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: Vikings take more corners from a percentage standpoint than the
Speaker 1: other team. What would be surprised if Minnesota got a
Speaker 1: Lance and moved up New England at fifteen. Obviously they
Speaker 1: could do some moving Arizona sixteen they could use a cornerback.
Speaker 1: I think it gets it's fascinating if teams started going, well,
Speaker 1: this is my number one cornerback on the board, and
Speaker 1: I've got a team wanting out at eight. I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. Now. The thing that I wanted
Speaker 1: to throw what you guys though, is still kind of
Speaker 1: a little bit based on the Donald trade, not not really,
Speaker 1: but involves the Jets. What if the Jets they're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're getting Zach Wilson, but we've got
Speaker 1: to get him a weapon right now, We're gonna give
Speaker 1: you pick twenty three and pick thirty four to go
Speaker 1: to ten. Would you do that twenty three and thirty four?
Speaker 1: Man's that's interesting, yeah, because you're you're theoretically you're trading
Speaker 1: away from Dan, from JC Horn, maybe a reshaunse Slater.
Speaker 1: I talt to trade away from those players, but you
Speaker 1: have a chance to get possibly two players that you
Speaker 1: could have first round grades on talking about with twenty
Speaker 1: three and then thirty four, so that could you could
Speaker 1: turn that into a Tevin Jenkins and uh, you know
Speaker 1: whoever that next corner is for you, whether it's Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph or uh, you know, do you roll the dice
Speaker 1: on a Caleb Farley at that point, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: with with the injury stuff, so you know that's a
Speaker 1: that's a really I don't know that the Jets would
Speaker 1: be that aggressive. I think they you know, they have
Speaker 1: a lot of picks, so you can't completely rule it out,
Speaker 1: but that would certainly make you think that that'd be interesting. Man.
Speaker 1: I think of your Dallas. I think you have a
Speaker 1: chance to get a top ten player there, and the
Speaker 1: way that we're talking about the board breaking, one of
Speaker 1: the top defenders, if that's where you want to go,
Speaker 1: is going to be there. Arguably one of the top
Speaker 1: offensive tackles would be there too. I think that'd be
Speaker 1: too tempting to pass up to get a marquee player
Speaker 1: as opposed to acquire more picks. I'd rather have the player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm right there too. You think would like it.
Speaker 1: I would like it. I like the dartboard. I like
Speaker 1: having more chances at it, especially whenever it's a top
Speaker 1: thirty five pick. But I think whenever you look at
Speaker 1: the tenth overall pick right now, and we just talked
Speaker 1: about it, there's a very good likelihood that there's not
Speaker 1: going to be a defensive player off the board. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get your cream of the crop, your top defensive
Speaker 1: player on your board no matter what, because or I
Speaker 1: guess close to no matter what, because of where you're picking,
Speaker 1: and because of the teams in the needs that are
Speaker 1: in front of you. So I think trading out of
Speaker 1: that spot is a little bit tougher, especially whenever you
Speaker 1: go all the way back to twenty three. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me I could go back to fourteen or fifteen
Speaker 1: and maybe have the same sort of haul, I'm more enticee,
Speaker 1: I'm more enticed into doing so. But I think going
Speaker 1: from ten to twenty three is a pretty big jump
Speaker 1: for that. Now, now in that scenario, you would have
Speaker 1: three top fifty picks instead of two top fifty picks,
Speaker 1: and you would have four top seventy five picks instead
Speaker 1: of the three top seventy five picks. But I would
Speaker 1: say that I'm not doing that unless one of my
Speaker 1: four guys are on the board. I've narrowed down my
Speaker 1: four guys to Seoul, Slater, Sir Tan, and Pits in
Speaker 1: that order or not not in that order. Anyone those
Speaker 1: Horn's not all Dad, So I'm not I don't want
Speaker 1: to take horn at ten and I like jac Horn,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take him at ten, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to take Michael Parsons at ten. But you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I trade down. If I traded down to uh
Speaker 1: New England, traded down with me or whoever's at seventeen,
Speaker 1: they gonna pull it up here, you know if they, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's someone wanted to do that. You know, like, I'm
Speaker 1: just not terribly interested in reaching for someone right there
Speaker 1: at ten. I want to get my upper tier players.
Speaker 1: I want to be picky about who I have. We
Speaker 1: talked about this last week, Bucky being picky with their
Speaker 1: first round grades. And you know, I like jac Horne,
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I just I don't like
Speaker 1: him at ten. I never did so, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna just change it because Farley got hurt. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of kind of where I'm at, Like I'm
Speaker 1: more willing to trade if I have that doomsday scenario
Speaker 1: where one of these four guys that I have identified,
Speaker 1: who I would you know, really covet at ten. But
Speaker 1: if I hit one of those four, than I've got
Speaker 1: to be all all ears Andre's. I believe I would
Speaker 1: put Michael Parsons in that category. With your four. Just
Speaker 1: from a talent and impact potential standpoint, we've seen the
Speaker 1: only linebackers that really have an impact in today's game
Speaker 1: are the ones that can get after the quarterback. He
Speaker 1: is one of the unique inside players who could do that.
Speaker 1: And if you go back to his high school background,
Speaker 1: him putting his hand in the dirt as a defensive
Speaker 1: ent just makes him a little different. Like we can
Speaker 1: talk about the football character concerns and all that other stuff,
Speaker 1: but from a talent standpoint, if you think about him
Speaker 1: as a possible replacement for Jalen Smith or whatever, this
Speaker 1: dude he can hit, he can run, he can bliss,
Speaker 1: he can get up to the quarterback, and if you
Speaker 1: look at dan Quinn's personality, he would be a very
Speaker 1: intriguing player. Not like I'm married to him, but I
Speaker 1: think you have to have him in that conversation with
Speaker 1: those those guys at ten because I think the talent
Speaker 1: would say that he is a top ten worthy player.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think you know, it's debatable
Speaker 1: about position value and you know his top ten pick,
Speaker 1: is it okay taking a lineback or that early? And
Speaker 1: you know we can debate that, But in terms of
Speaker 1: talent one hundred percent agree he belongs there, and I actually,
Speaker 1: I you know, I would have no problem JC Horn
Speaker 1: at ten. Me personally, I think that's you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him over Certain necessarily. I think Curtain's a
Speaker 1: better player. But if Curtan just you know, hypothetical, say
Speaker 1: he goes nine, I think Jac Horne's absolutely in that
Speaker 1: conversation at number ten. Uh, you know, just the way
Speaker 1: he plays the game. I know he likes to be
Speaker 1: a little over aggressive, but you'd rather him be that
Speaker 1: way than the other way and have to try and
Speaker 1: you know, get him to be more aggressive. So, uh,
Speaker 1: JC Horne at ten, I think that's that's definitely on
Speaker 1: the table for this team. You know. I think his
Speaker 1: interesting day is the conversation with Certain and Horn because
Speaker 1: there are two different style corners and both are worthy
Speaker 1: of being like pick in the top fifth team for
Speaker 1: their own thing. Certain to me is more dependable, trustworthy technician.
Speaker 1: Even though he tested really well at his pro day,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he necessarily plays like that kind
Speaker 1: of athlete on the edge. And then Jac Horne is
Speaker 1: the dynamic athlete who you can envision being a premier
Speaker 1: corner in a man demand cover scheme. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to bog him down to have him
Speaker 1: doing a lot of thinking in zone. But if you
Speaker 1: are a man heavy team and you're just like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play man in Dallasy will worry because the
Speaker 1: cover three is very manlike. He can go and he'll
Speaker 1: thump and he'll do all those other things. I just
Speaker 1: think it comes down to your defensive coordinator and which
Speaker 1: one do you trust the most on the island. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could see I wouldn't hate it
Speaker 1: if he was taking in the top ten because the
Speaker 1: athleticism and the way that he plays, the dog mentality
Speaker 1: that it displays is certainly intriguing. It's something that I
Speaker 1: love about both those players, or Tan and Horn. You
Speaker 1: talk to people in South Carolina and they say, the
Speaker 1: day that jac Horn arrived in claub Be there, uh,
Speaker 1: he tried. He set the tempo for what that defense
Speaker 1: was going to be. He was a culture changer. Then
Speaker 1: you talk to people at Alabama about certan uh, similar
Speaker 1: type of deal. Maybe not as vocal as Horn, but
Speaker 1: a guy that started from day one, and if you're
Speaker 1: starting as a true freshman eighteen years old for Nick Saban.
Speaker 1: That tells me something about you. So both these guys
Speaker 1: I think fit the mold of what you're looking for
Speaker 1: for a cornerstone defensive player who's also going to help,
Speaker 1: you know, be part of your culture, change in your
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and part of the organization. Yeah
Speaker 1: you can, no, do you take off? No? I was
Speaker 1: going to take it to your point. Yeah, well my
Speaker 1: points actually takes it somewhere else because I'm like that,
Speaker 1: I'm all over the road. We'll do it, let's do it. Well.
Speaker 1: What if I told you that they liked to roadmap
Speaker 1: the draft and they got talked into like they did
Speaker 1: a few years ago. We've got to take a pass
Speaker 1: rusher early. The pass rusher class is not that deep,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna lock in on Ojilari Quitty Pay or
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips. What if I told you that you guys
Speaker 1: feeling pretty nasty, feeling pretty bad about taking one of
Speaker 1: those guys at ten, because I definitely am. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like it. Uh, there's the current all right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know Daniel Jeremiah and his latest bocad him going,
Speaker 1: uh Quitt Pay believe Yeah, I don't yeah, I don't like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like the quitty pay thing. The
Speaker 1: only the only one that I could kind of be
Speaker 1: talked into would be Jalen Phillis, but it would only
Speaker 1: be after like a deep and thorough examination of the background.
Speaker 1: And the reason why Jalen Phillis would be intriguing is
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, he was the number one
Speaker 1: recruit um. He was a cast me out. He was
Speaker 1: super athletic because he's from out here in California, super athletic.
Speaker 1: He can run around. I think the pro day was
Speaker 1: a reminder of his athleticism because you kind of forget
Speaker 1: that looking at the take because he's kind of smooth.
Speaker 1: He's a technician in those things, hand skills wise, and
Speaker 1: the way that he gets after it. He gets after
Speaker 1: it like a veteran. But the one thing that you
Speaker 1: just don't know, You got to crack open the chest
Speaker 1: and see what the ticker is because I gotta have
Speaker 1: someone that loves it. If I'm taking him at top ten,
Speaker 1: he has to love it. And some of the reports
Speaker 1: that you hear about like, oh he kind of tapped out,
Speaker 1: he didn't know the waning love of the game with
Speaker 1: some of the injury stuff. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: could do it, but of those three, I'll be more
Speaker 1: likely to take Jalen Phillips than the other guys. And
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said. It would not be
Speaker 1: surprising if he went twelve or two. You know, there's
Speaker 1: just such a wide variance there because of the concerns
Speaker 1: that buck you laid out. Personally, I would be okay
Speaker 1: with as he's audulearry there. I'm a believer in him
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. I think, you know, he guys
Speaker 1: twenty years old and he just he's coming off a
Speaker 1: season where he led the SEC and sacks, tackles for
Speaker 1: loss and forced fumbles. A guy that's you know, he
Speaker 1: looks a little undersized just when you you know, see him,
Speaker 1: but then you watch him play and okay, thirty four
Speaker 1: and a half inch arms. Yeah, he's six two, but
Speaker 1: he has the length of a six to five player.
Speaker 1: And so the burst that he plays with the explosiveness
Speaker 1: and he's really instinctive. You watch him play the run,
Speaker 1: you watch him you know there's more to him than
Speaker 1: just speed, and I think you feel good about him
Speaker 1: growing and developing and getting better. So of those pass
Speaker 1: rushers Audrew Larry for me would be the one where
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I think there's maybe a better player here,
Speaker 1: But I don't hate that pick because of what we
Speaker 1: think he can be down the road. I think it
Speaker 1: all depends on the D line coach and those things
Speaker 1: like if you have a D line coach, because right
Speaker 1: now he has a great fastball. His basketball is that
Speaker 1: when he comes off the edge and bends and bursts
Speaker 1: and two hand swipes like he look, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: stop him if he gets it going that way? Is
Speaker 1: what is his ability to develop a counter to that?
Speaker 1: What is his change? What if that that guy is
Speaker 1: quick setting him or sitting on it? Does he have
Speaker 1: anything else? But he plays hard, which always gives him
Speaker 1: a chance. And you're right, he is disruptive against the
Speaker 1: run game. He does that part of it. And I
Speaker 1: would say, like it's funny because I have Quitty Pay
Speaker 1: ranked ahead of him, But really the Quitty Pay thing
Speaker 1: is a mystery. And I think in Dallas, like if
Speaker 1: you take Quitty Pay, you have the ghost of Taco
Speaker 1: Charltenhagen just because you're scouting the helmet, right. And the
Speaker 1: thing about Quitty Pay is and the biggest issue I have.
Speaker 1: You want to get true, proven sack production from a
Speaker 1: pass rusher, because if I see with someone who's active,
Speaker 1: but I never see him get the fish in the boat.
Speaker 1: We're just out there fishing all day for nothing, Like
Speaker 1: I need to see the fish get into the boat
Speaker 1: and get into the bucket. And I don't see enough
Speaker 1: sack production from him, and so everyone says, oh, he'll
Speaker 1: turn it on and he has this or whatever, But man,
Speaker 1: can I see it? Because if not, I'm just hoping
Speaker 1: for something that I just never know if he's going
Speaker 1: to turn into. I guess we're going fishing. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be the draft show fishing show pretty soon. I mean
Speaker 1: we're hitting the lake, hitting the pond, whatever we end
Speaker 1: up at it to do for those of you knocking
Speaker 1: down the door in the Twitter mentions about edge rushers.
Speaker 1: Potentially at ten, there you go. There's the three names
Speaker 1: I think you could talk about it, Phillips and then
Speaker 1: Quitty pay and outside of that, I don't know if
Speaker 1: any of those three are even worth the tenth overall pick.
Speaker 1: I would probably lean Ojilari, but either way I would
Speaker 1: not I would rather take any other defensive player. I
Speaker 1: think in the draft at least Michael Parsons even I
Speaker 1: would throw the two corners in there before we even
Speaker 1: get to edge Rusher. But of course, the Cowboys yesterday
Speaker 1: creating a little bit of storylines Jerry Jones saying that
Speaker 1: he's infatuated with Kyle Pitts. Could the Cowboys trade up
Speaker 1: to number four? And what would that take? We're gonna
Speaker 1: answer that question and twitter on the twenty when we
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Speaker 1: off with Corey Clark, and Corey Clark does great work
Speaker 1: on the radio, and he decided to throw this question
Speaker 1: out there because of the news yesterday with Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: Could you see Dallas trading up to number four to
Speaker 1: draft mister Kyle Pitts and what would it cost for
Speaker 1: them to do that. We'll start with you, Dane on
Speaker 1: this one. What would it cost for the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: go from ten to four? And is that even a
Speaker 1: remote possibility? Well? I think first, who are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: competing with for that pick? You know, because theoretically they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna get some offers at number four or a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then it's tough to outbid
Speaker 1: a team. We saw what it took to move up
Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers from twelve to three, so
Speaker 1: moving up from ten to four it's not that different.
Speaker 1: And the ransom for a quarterback is a lot, so
Speaker 1: you know it's going to take at least a first
Speaker 1: round pick. And then probably something else that's a lot,
Speaker 1: And Kyle Pitts is a special, special player, there's no
Speaker 1: debate about that. But is it worth not having a
Speaker 1: first round pick next year and then whether that's another
Speaker 1: two somewhere, I don't It's hard to figure out. But
Speaker 1: as much as I like Kyle Pitts, that that's a
Speaker 1: tough total swallow. The chart would tell you ten, forty
Speaker 1: four and one fifteen, but you can throw the chart
Speaker 1: out the window when you're trading in the top ten
Speaker 1: or into the top five. So right, especially when quarterback
Speaker 1: quarterback wouldn't be involved. Yeah, quarterback wouldn't be involved with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, but theoretically there could be another team looking
Speaker 1: to get up the number four four a quarterback, So
Speaker 1: the price is going to go up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys offense is not the problem at least,
Speaker 1: you know, scoring points and you know the quarterback, wide receivers,
Speaker 1: the pass catchers, that's not the problem. And so I
Speaker 1: just don't think you can justify moving up to strengthen
Speaker 1: a strength when you have other needs on this team
Speaker 1: that you can get elsewhere. So it would be a
Speaker 1: hard sell, and that's that's not easy to say it
Speaker 1: because again, Kyle Pitts is a special, special player. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I mean, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: help you can get defensively to put his team from
Speaker 1: the bottom to the middle of the pack. Your best
Speaker 1: bet might be to say, let's go all in on
Speaker 1: the offense. And I mean, I hate to be team
Speaker 1: forty Burger, but I think maybe if you can hang
Speaker 1: forty on them and make people chase points, it could
Speaker 1: be interesting. And I do want to because when was
Speaker 1: the last time like the Cowboys have had, like in
Speaker 1: a legitimate high end threat in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, like I Meanson Witten was older.
Speaker 1: But when you have someone that can control the middle
Speaker 1: of the field and even do some of the mismatched
Speaker 1: stuff that cal Pitts can do, imagine the one of
Speaker 1: ones that would be created not only for Mary Cooper,
Speaker 1: but for Michael Gallup and Cede Lamb. And how does
Speaker 1: that light in the box when it comes to Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: It would be very intriguing if you could do the sale,
Speaker 1: and if you dug into Mike McCarthy's history of multiple
Speaker 1: tight ends, I just think emptying out the backfield doing
Speaker 1: some different things with Kyle Pitts. We make for interesting
Speaker 1: conversation in that meeting room. If Mike McCarthy's involved in
Speaker 1: selling a vision for how this offense can even go
Speaker 1: to a greater level, and if Cayle Pitts is there
Speaker 1: at ten, do it. I'm on board all the way,
Speaker 1: trading a future one to get up there. That's where
Speaker 1: I would have a would you move up to eight?
Speaker 1: If you sitting there at eight, would you move up
Speaker 1: to eight to get them? What's it going to cost
Speaker 1: me like a third? It's probably I think. I think
Speaker 1: it just costs your third binnion that now that you
Speaker 1: could sell me on, that'd be enticing, because that's as
Speaker 1: much as i'd like to have that. You know, that
Speaker 1: third round pick theoretically could be a starter, but to
Speaker 1: get a difference maker like Kyle Pitts, a guy that
Speaker 1: we think is a special player, Yeah, you can sell
Speaker 1: me on that, absolutely, So it would be picked. Seventy
Speaker 1: five would be your first third and ninety nine would
Speaker 1: be your second third. So yeah, you'd probably have to
Speaker 1: give up seventy five, I would think in order to
Speaker 1: get up to eight, especially if you do have ninety
Speaker 1: nine on the back burner there. But just based off
Speaker 1: of this conversation, it sounds like we're all three or
Speaker 1: all of you guys are in the boat that if
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is at ten, you're still taking him. And
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a little bit more solidified than
Speaker 1: what I've heard from you guys in the past. It's
Speaker 1: just too good. I mean, he's the best non quarterback
Speaker 1: in this draft. He's just he's a difference maker. And
Speaker 1: you don't want to be the team that passes on
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. You don't. You don't want to be the
Speaker 1: guy that passes on special and so it just don't
Speaker 1: see him doing that, Kyle, because Kyle knows this, because
Speaker 1: last week I was at proponent of like, hey, he's
Speaker 1: just a tenant. But I got a stern talking to
Speaker 1: from one of my mentors, Scott McCloy, and he was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying about this guy, but this
Speaker 1: guy is pretty good. And then we went back and
Speaker 1: forth because he drafted Vernon Davis in the top ten
Speaker 1: at six, and he said, the only thing is the
Speaker 1: difference is we don't really know the player because we
Speaker 1: didn't get to the combin and talk to him. But
Speaker 1: if he has a mindset where he can be a
Speaker 1: dominant player, he creates so many problems for the defense
Speaker 1: because legitimately he's a jumbo wide receiver. And we've seen
Speaker 1: lesser talents like a Georgian Red create problems in Washington
Speaker 1: being on the outside. And so when you think about
Speaker 1: Jordan Reed and Zach Erst and Darren Waller or whatever,
Speaker 1: I would say that cow Fitz is a better athlete
Speaker 1: and maybe a more skilled player than those guys. And
Speaker 1: we've seen the headache that they've created in an offense
Speaker 1: in Dallas where you have three legitimate white house are
Speaker 1: running back, a quarterback that can get the ball out
Speaker 1: of his hands. I don't know how you defend that offense,
Speaker 1: even if we're playing a video. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you set the defense up. What are you trying to
Speaker 1: take away? You guys are talking me into this right now.
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know. I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: never been wanted to say it. Let's take him at ten,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to shift my thinking at this very moment, Katie.
Speaker 1: I don't want to cut you off, but we need
Speaker 1: to get some more questions because we've spent twelve minutes
Speaker 1: on Kyle kits already. Let's go to let's go to
Speaker 1: DFW sports fan. He said, who's the most realistic player
Speaker 1: with the round one grade who could still be there
Speaker 1: at forty four or fall to the early second where
Speaker 1: you could potentially trade up to go get him. Is
Speaker 1: there anybody Bucky that comes to mind whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to a first round grade going to forty four? Man
Speaker 1: like it. It's funny because first round grade, I think
Speaker 1: the first round grade is probably cut off it in
Speaker 1: the twenties. Yeah, I think all the tackles are gone.
Speaker 1: I think you have a better shot of one of
Speaker 1: those cornerbacks being there because I think the cornerback class
Speaker 1: is graded loose, Like you have guys who are high
Speaker 1: on Greg Newsom, some guys who are not. You have
Speaker 1: guys who talk about Johnson to Johnson kid from Kentucky,
Speaker 1: some guys who don't. Some guys who have a high
Speaker 1: grade on Asante Samuel Junior, other guys don't. And so
Speaker 1: I think you're more likely to get a talent in
Speaker 1: the second round that plays like a first round at
Speaker 1: corner at the pick at forty four than other. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I think the answer to that question that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of I would say that becomes like an injury guy,
Speaker 1: and that's where Caitlin Farley comes into the into play.
Speaker 1: Would be my specific answer there. But like you know,
Speaker 1: Smith situation, Jalen Smith situation. The only other name that
Speaker 1: I could think of, and I don't think he would
Speaker 1: fall that far, but I'm just going there just for
Speaker 1: the sake of this conversation would be a Zavin Collins
Speaker 1: or a Nick Molton, a middle of the field linebacker
Speaker 1: type player. Maybe, Yeah, one of those guys. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of those guys may end up being there. The name
Speaker 1: that I was going to mention, Uh, it's Christian Barmore.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy that has so much ability, so
Speaker 1: much talent, but you know only a Richard sophomore, didn't
Speaker 1: really really turn it on till the second half of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. Uh, you know, could he potentially
Speaker 1: slip a little bit? I think it's possible. It's at
Speaker 1: least in the realm of possibility. I don't think it's likely. Um,
Speaker 1: Zavian Collins. I mentioned this on the first draft show
Speaker 1: we had back in December. How how much of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys like him. I think they have a first round
Speaker 1: grade on him. And I say I think, but when
Speaker 1: I actually mean I know, And that's that's a player
Speaker 1: to keep on the radar, you know. I don't know
Speaker 1: that they would do that at ten, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a guy that they really like, and so it just
Speaker 1: af in a trade back scenario or a trade up scenario.
Speaker 1: Something to keep in mind. He's interesting because he's so long,
Speaker 1: he's so athletic, he has the ability to kind of
Speaker 1: move around a bunch. And I just wondered with DQ
Speaker 1: and how they're reconfiguring this defense, what kind of role
Speaker 1: could they create for him, because I think you have
Speaker 1: to go back when you look at what the Seahawks
Speaker 1: did and they're not similar players, but the Seahouts took
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagon, who spent most of his time playing down
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage at Utah State, and moved
Speaker 1: him inside to mike linebacker. I just wondered with Xavian Collins,
Speaker 1: what would his versatility add to this defense as DQ
Speaker 1: kind of thinks about the vision for this defense going forward,
Speaker 1: because you can see him playing inside sometimes you see
Speaker 1: him come off the edge. He's just a very unique talent.
Speaker 1: And he is so big. I mean, he is just
Speaker 1: a big, monstrous player that you have these visions of
Speaker 1: him and LV playing beside each other, and I can't
Speaker 1: imagine in a zone defense where they're spot dropping and
Speaker 1: looking at quarterback, how are you gonna fit the ball
Speaker 1: into some of these intermediate windows with this length that
Speaker 1: they have. On the we're showing some highlights. Sounds bigger
Speaker 1: than that's insane. Yeah, we're showing highlights of him against
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State at the moment, gentlemen, And I've watched this
Speaker 1: game on ALL twenty two, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: the highlights or I don't know if the ALL twenty
Speaker 1: two does him credit of just how big he is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable. How to think that frame is
Speaker 1: from from Collins and he is. He's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, he tore up the pokes up in Stillwater
Speaker 1: and something that that definitely caught my eye on film. Now,
Speaker 1: this is another question that has been asked before, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back into it a little bit, and
Speaker 1: this comes from fanatic Cowboy on Twitter. I like Twitter
Speaker 1: the Twitter handle earlier in the show talking about not
Speaker 1: today but throughout the course of it, he says, You've
Speaker 1: got have discussed Detroit's Jeff Okuda for the number ten
Speaker 1: overall pick. What if we bring up that same question now,
Speaker 1: would that be something that you would consider a guy who,
Speaker 1: of course went in the top ten or top five
Speaker 1: last year rather switched around for the top ten pick
Speaker 1: overall this year if Detroit somehow wanted to do that,
Speaker 1: is that something that you would consider? Katie, whatever opinion
Speaker 1: that I tweeted out about this four months ago, I'll
Speaker 1: just say whatever I said then that I really don't.
Speaker 1: I mean I could, Yeah, I'll take the I'll take
Speaker 1: the younger guy, I guess at this point. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know what Kuda's age though, but I'm comfortable. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the time when that conversation came up, we
Speaker 1: were talking about Farley in certain I'll take Certain over Okuda,
Speaker 1: but I'll take Okudo over Horn just to have fun, Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't have a passionate opinion here though, you know,
Speaker 1: see unfortunate Like the Jeff Okuda thing is kind of
Speaker 1: like when you buy a car, once you drive it
Speaker 1: off the lot, it changes. The thing is never we
Speaker 1: seen him in the Pros. I'm not quite as fired
Speaker 1: up as I was last year, so it would be
Speaker 1: a harder, say help, for me to give him to
Speaker 1: ten after I've seen him play in the Pros, even
Speaker 1: though he still contne out to be a really good player.
Speaker 1: It's certainly a red flag when a team is ready
Speaker 1: to punt on a top three pick after one year. Ye.
Speaker 1: I know it's a new new regime in Detroit, so
Speaker 1: you can point to that. But if a team's ready
Speaker 1: to move on from a player that quickly, that that
Speaker 1: should set off alarms in your head. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that's a trade your work worth making. I do it.
Speaker 1: I do it from Marshawn Lattimore. No way, can't do
Speaker 1: that now either, I know. Probably with what other Ohio
Speaker 1: state corner is out the Denzel Ward, I'm waiting to
Speaker 1: get Sean Wade in the seventh. There you go, that's
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. How about another red schooled cornerback?
Speaker 1: Josh Weaver wants us to tell him more about corner
Speaker 1: Rashad wild Goose from Wisconsin, And what is this projected
Speaker 1: around Dane Brugler take this one, you know, I think
Speaker 1: he's more of late round guy um a player who
Speaker 1: wish we could have seen more of him at Wisconsin. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know he was he was a top recruit coming
Speaker 1: out of Miami, out of South Florida. I only played
Speaker 1: two games this year. You got her, then he opted
Speaker 1: out kind of preserve his body, didn't. You know? He's
Speaker 1: not a big guys five ten one, solid athlete, but
Speaker 1: not a great athlete. I think he was in the
Speaker 1: four fives in the forty a pro day UM, so
Speaker 1: you know he's he's a guy with talent. But when
Speaker 1: you stack him up with these other corners in this draft,
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to kind of I'd rather have
Speaker 1: this guy, or I'd rather have this guy before you
Speaker 1: know it, wild use is kind of down your board,
Speaker 1: so later rounds p FA, I think that's the range
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Wild Use a Dane As I closed
Speaker 1: my eyes and I just listened to you. After about
Speaker 1: two sentences, I was like, Yep, that's a Day three
Speaker 1: laid round. We'll wait, we'll draft find somebody better before
Speaker 1: we take a take a flyer on that. And and
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Like when you talk about a
Speaker 1: guy who want to play two games and then he's
Speaker 1: hurt and he opted out. Then he runs the four
Speaker 1: or five like, I mean, what exactly are the redeemable
Speaker 1: qualities Devil'll enable him to be a guy that could
Speaker 1: start right away. Doesn't sound like much. And then when
Speaker 1: you look at the tape you don't see a lot early.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can work his way on special teams and
Speaker 1: find a roll up right now. I wouldn't say that
Speaker 1: I would be excited about his prospects. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like that. I do like the go ahead, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: I promised we'd get to a lot of questions to
Speaker 1: go ahead. Okay, we'll start with you on the rapid fire.
Speaker 1: Then this one comes from Christian. This is rapid fire.
Speaker 1: One position other than cornerback? What position would be? You?
Speaker 1: Would you be disappointed slash frustrated with if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't use a single pick on them in the draft,
Speaker 1: which one would it be? Katie? You start to saw
Speaker 1: they need to take a defensive end at some point,
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman. Can I can be spread it out
Speaker 1: that far? You gotta take another defense finement? That's fair,
Speaker 1: Then you gotta take it. I would probably say offensive line.
Speaker 1: You know Dak Prescott, he paid him now let's keep
Speaker 1: him healthy. And you know it's with Tyron getting older.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can get a guy, you think
Speaker 1: you can develop there at that position. But it's just
Speaker 1: good to have depth, and they need depth across the
Speaker 1: offensive line. So I'd like to see him invest in
Speaker 1: a quality off especially this draft where offensive tackle interior
Speaker 1: offensive line two of the strongest positions in this draft.
Speaker 1: So take advantage of that invested in the offensive line,
Speaker 1: like I would say, a playmaking linebacker and athletic linebacker
Speaker 1: brevit someone that can run sideline, the sideline and chase
Speaker 1: because they need to upgrade the athleticism on the second level.
Speaker 1: I think they need to upgrade the depth as well. Bucky,
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I think it's linebacker for me.
Speaker 1: If they don't take one of these mid round linebackers.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about the names Baron Browning, Zavian
Speaker 1: Collins that we just threw out. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's mid round, but he's a potential prospect. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the middle of that linebacker
Speaker 1: group that could be a solid depth piece or even
Speaker 1: a starter down the road. Who knows. With the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why that position is where it
Speaker 1: is for me. By the way, just because of this segment,
Speaker 1: I have fans now tweeting at me saying that I'm
Speaker 1: a hashtag. Team all the Burgers is what I am
Speaker 1: now a part of after this. So it's all the
Speaker 1: brog hashtag all the Burgers. Because last year it was
Speaker 1: Team forty Burger with Ceedee Lamb. Now it's Team all
Speaker 1: the Burgers with Kyle Pitts and apparently I'm on part
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's Katie, Bucky Brooks, Dame Brugler, and Bucky. We're
Speaker 1: gonna start with you. Actually, Katie, you're back, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna let you throw out of these prop bets. What
Speaker 1: prop bets do you have for us to sit through? Well?
Speaker 1: Tell yeah, I just trying to have a little fun
Speaker 1: because I have a gambling problem. So who will we'll start? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Bucky X. I know, Bucky, I
Speaker 1: know you're high on my guy. Javante Williams from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: How many running backs will be selected in the first
Speaker 1: round over under one point five under one under? I
Speaker 1: don't even know if one I gets selected. We may
Speaker 1: see a draft where we see zero running backs taken
Speaker 1: in the first round Day fourtun I think I would
Speaker 1: agree with Bucky. I think you know, we could we
Speaker 1: could see two. I don't think that's like it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocking, but I would agree. If I had a bet,
Speaker 1: put a bet on it, I would say one or
Speaker 1: zero or the more more likely bets. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the best way you look at it is you look
Speaker 1: at these teams late in the first round that need
Speaker 1: a running back. Tampa Bay probably not, of course, Kansas
Speaker 1: City did it last year. Green Bay, maybe you can
Speaker 1: maybe look that direction. I pretty much no, I think
Speaker 1: you would be just resigned. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: you're looking at you know, maybe maybe a Pittsburgh. You know,
Speaker 1: I think they will more likely to go corner or
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. But you could if they took Naji Harris
Speaker 1: there at what twenty four, I don't think it'd be
Speaker 1: shocked that they would be the perfect that would be
Speaker 1: the perfect fit, because to me, he is the new
Speaker 1: school version of lead Bill for them. But outside of that, like,
Speaker 1: there's so many running backs that are talented that I
Speaker 1: think teams are going to look at other positions. First
Speaker 1: before they go back. And they're like three teams in
Speaker 1: play for running backs, Miami, the Jets, and you talk
Speaker 1: about the Steelers. Outside of that, no one else really
Speaker 1: seems fired up about needing a running back early. It's true. Well,
Speaker 1: and the interesting thing with the Miami and the Jets
Speaker 1: is they both pick early in round two, so you
Speaker 1: know they don't have to if they don't feel like
Speaker 1: they have to take one of those guys in that
Speaker 1: with their late first round picks, they could just wait
Speaker 1: till the early second round and take that there running
Speaker 1: back there. Okay, just so you guys know, I'm charting
Speaker 1: your answers and we will have a we'll test the
Speaker 1: accuracy after the draft. The winner aner on me at
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Speaker 1: I'm in your state, since you guys, I'm not in Texas. Here. Um,
Speaker 1: this one will be a be a kind of a
Speaker 1: tense one over under nine and a half as the
Speaker 1: draft position for Patrick Surtan the second. Oh gosh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay positive. Yeah, I think over I think that
Speaker 1: when you look at Okay, who's gonna take Curtan. I
Speaker 1: think one possible scenario here is Denver would the trade
Speaker 1: up to four and then the Falcons move back to nine.
Speaker 1: I think that Patrick's or Tan would then become the
Speaker 1: favorite to be that ninth to pick a number nine
Speaker 1: overall to Atlanta. That to me would be a postible scenario.
Speaker 1: But if that doesn't happen, I think there's a good
Speaker 1: chance that's her Tan's available at ten. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: see him going within in the top ten. I have
Speaker 1: to take to over. Yeah. I don't like the Broncos
Speaker 1: an only team that could put a trigger to the
Speaker 1: rest of the teams. No one has a need like
Speaker 1: that in the top ten. Okay, how many wide receivers
Speaker 1: will be selected in the first round over or under
Speaker 1: four point five? So we think, all right, we think
Speaker 1: three for sure, and then it becomes okay Bateman, Elijah Moore, Kadarius,
Speaker 1: Tony Marshall, Emile of those Yeah, of those four, you
Speaker 1: know how many sneak in to do two sneak in there?
Speaker 1: Because that would give you five for the over That's
Speaker 1: a tough one. That's tough one. Well, that's how these problem.
Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna I'm gonna go I'm gonna go, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go under. Wow. How do you think it'd be four?
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's where I'm leaning to. Um. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it would just be three. Wow. Maybe somewhere in
Speaker 1: the twenties you get the fourth one. Yeah, don't m
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna say. Over, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that Bateman and More get in there. I'm gonna say that, Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm the three and then some yeah, some way, the
Speaker 1: Bateman and More will just sneak into that late first,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel good about it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say under. I think I think I'm just
Speaker 1: with Chase Smith, Waddle, Bateman, and then College Wits after that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's another guy that sneaks in there,
Speaker 1: and if they do, it would be late. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if maybe like a Terrence Marshall gets
Speaker 1: in there, uh and and has some sort of of
Speaker 1: look there terr. I keep saying his name with an
Speaker 1: extra inn, but I think Marshall could maybe get in there,
Speaker 1: but who knows. I would say under though, Okay. Pina
Speaker 1: sul selected over or under pick five point five basically,
Speaker 1: does he go to the Bengals. Yeah, it's good boy,
Speaker 1: And that's really where I'm you know, I'm working on
Speaker 1: a mock draft right now, and I get hung up
Speaker 1: with the Bengals. Do they go tackle? Do they go
Speaker 1: pass rusher? And you know, you look at it, and
Speaker 1: tackles not exactly the immediate need when you have Joanah
Speaker 1: Williams and they signed Riley Reef, but you know, they
Speaker 1: signed him to a one year deal, so it's not
Speaker 1: exactly a long term solution. They could absolutely still go
Speaker 1: off into tackle. Help your quarterback. Man. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't know. I'm gonna say, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm going under. I think he goes off
Speaker 1: the board to Cincinnati. They just put Anthony Munio's name
Speaker 1: in the Ring of honor. I think they're going to
Speaker 1: convince themselves they don't need to make sure they protect
Speaker 1: your burrow. I think that's the smart that's the smart choice.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's what they should do. But
Speaker 1: I just don't trust him exactly. It doesn't trust since
Speaker 1: opening I'm gonna say that Kyle Pitts or Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: You're just gonna be too enticing, and so will I
Speaker 1: think they should go seel. I'm gonna say they don't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm gonna say the over. You gotta
Speaker 1: be careful there, Dane. You live in Ohio. You have
Speaker 1: to be careful with what you're saying about Cincinnati. Cincinnati's
Speaker 1: they're they're four hours So okay, that's good. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: a good enough distance away. That's like us talking about Houston.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I would probably say over, just because I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily trust him either. I think they're gonna get
Speaker 1: enticed with somebody else. Maybe it's Jamar Chayes, who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to go get a pass catcher for
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow rather than try and protect him because of
Speaker 1: the patchwork offensive line signings that they've had. So i'm
Speaker 1: gonna say over. We've talked about Certan and Horn at nauseum.
Speaker 1: How many cornerbacks are selected in the first round over
Speaker 1: under three and a half? Does someone take a chance
Speaker 1: on Farley? Does a run start on corners over under
Speaker 1: three and a half? I'd say over. I would say
Speaker 1: it's just such a premium position. And when you think
Speaker 1: of some of those like Okay, if we think that
Speaker 1: Certan Horn and say Greg Newsom, we feel good about
Speaker 1: those three corners going first round. Then it becomes okay,
Speaker 1: you know, Caleb Farley's got obviously the injury stuff. But
Speaker 1: then you also throw into two Georgia corners. You throw
Speaker 1: in Kelvin Joseph, the guys that are really talented, but
Speaker 1: there might be just something there that you worry about.
Speaker 1: And but there's so much talent and at a premium
Speaker 1: position that I can absolutely see a team saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bet on the trades. Uh yeah, Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph has some maturity stuff, but we're gonna bet
Speaker 1: on the trades. Tyson Campbell, we wish you could find
Speaker 1: the football better downfield, you know, and makes some of
Speaker 1: those interceptions, but we feel good about just the traits.
Speaker 1: And so you know, in Kansas City or the Packer,
Speaker 1: some of those teams in the back half of round one,
Speaker 1: I could see them pulling the trigger on a corner.
Speaker 1: So I'll set the over. I'm gonna take the over
Speaker 1: because justin thinking about recent years, the first round corners
Speaker 1: that have been taken to the end. DeAndre Baker, Jeff
Speaker 1: Gladdeny Michael Hughes. When when you think about it in
Speaker 1: that vein, it makes it more realistic that we'll see
Speaker 1: more than four corners go in the first round. All right,
Speaker 1: we had time for one more, I think, Kyle right, Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm not charged. So it's justin Fields over under pick
Speaker 1: four and a half under. I think nine ers. They're
Speaker 1: going to justin Fields Pro Day next week. So you
Speaker 1: can't completely rule Home out at three. That's that's tough.
Speaker 1: I you know, I still feel like we're really up
Speaker 1: in the air with the San Francisco is gonna do
Speaker 1: it three? Um, you know, there's too much smoke about
Speaker 1: mac Jones. It has too much. Too much has to
Speaker 1: be too smoke about the mac Jones thing, like like bizarre,
Speaker 1: the most unbelievable thing. It makes me almost want to
Speaker 1: compute whenever we're we're debating the thing, like it just
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. Like I mean, if we're going to
Speaker 1: give up draft capital, I want to give up draft
Speaker 1: capital for special. I don't want to give it up
Speaker 1: for just another game manager. And so like I don't
Speaker 1: see special. So I would rather if you tell me
Speaker 1: trade lance or whatever, like fine, because I can bank
Speaker 1: on the special trades or whatever. But the mac Jones
Speaker 1: thing just drives me crazy. Um, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: it it has to be the rad to smoke screen
Speaker 1: to known to man, because I just can't imagine everyone knowing,
Speaker 1: oh mac Jones is who they want, Like yeah, maybe man,
Speaker 1: they're gonna take Kyle Cash if I that'd be wild
Speaker 1: Pitts and Kittle have fun. Oh yeah, Garoppolo's gonna find
Speaker 1: a way to get out. Garoppolo's heard. Okay, Uh, we
Speaker 1: still have CJ. Bethard or Nick Mullins, But I think
Speaker 1: and that's my contention. Look, I know it's not the
Speaker 1: mac Jones thing, but my contention would be Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: You just played games with Nick Mullins and c J. Bethard.
Speaker 1: You not saying mac Jones as those guys, but you
Speaker 1: want to go down that road again, Like it's just
Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, dude, you just went down this
Speaker 1: with just quarterbacks. Like if I'm a gamble, at least
Speaker 1: gamble with somebody who can make it right. You lost
Speaker 1: to Pat Mahomes. All of the stems from in my mind,
Speaker 1: like they see Matt Lafleur playing with Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: Sean McBay and Kyle Shanahan have quarterback envy. They want
Speaker 1: someone who can make the plays come to life. Matt
Speaker 1: Jones doesn't make the plays come to life with his specialness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're right, You're one hundred percent right. I can't
Speaker 1: figure out why, and who knows what Atlanta is going
Speaker 1: to do. If I'm Atlanta and Matt Ryan at that age,
Speaker 1: I know he just restructured the contract. Dude, Trey Lance
Speaker 1: makes so much sense, or even justin fields, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: A quarterback there. One of those guys makes so much
Speaker 1: sense to Trey Lance especially could sit for a year
Speaker 1: and then you know if he's if it's weird at
Speaker 1: pick someone at four that would have to sit more
Speaker 1: than one year, that's very weird. But like if Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan had a great year, you could still have that option.
Speaker 1: Like I think Atlanta needs to be in that quarterback
Speaker 1: mix two and maybe they are. It's just I kind
Speaker 1: of get the vibes that maybe they won't go that
Speaker 1: direction as we get a little closer, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna find out who has more sway
Speaker 1: in that building that head A coach and a gum
Speaker 1: based on what they do. If they go with a quarterback,
Speaker 1: then the g I think one that, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: thumb match where but if they go if they trade
Speaker 1: down or they go pits or you know a different
Speaker 1: direction than probably the head coach one that Dot debate about. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's stay with Matt Ryan, let's compete, let's get better.
Speaker 1: And so it's going to be an interesting dynamic. And
Speaker 1: Danny to your point, because Arthur Smith is there, and
Speaker 1: the more that he talks to Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: to be able to speak his language, because they can
Speaker 1: talk about coverage and what we're going on and what
Speaker 1: we need to do, coaches fall in love with I
Speaker 1: can win right now with this guy, as opposed to, hey,
Speaker 1: let's think about the future. We need to make sure
Speaker 1: we get one and let's do Alex Smith Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: and he still can play, but we can get the
Speaker 1: other guy ready. I do want if they're gonna fall
Speaker 1: into that trap, and then do they have enough bandwidth
Speaker 1: to know what is coming down to pipeline next year?
Speaker 1: Do I want Sam Howell or one of those other quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, did Liberty Kid or whatever, or
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, I better get the best of
Speaker 1: the last one that's available in this class because it
Speaker 1: sees what's available next year. Either way, you're gonna look
Speaker 1: at it. Still there, Kyle, Oh, yes, I'm so dumb.
Speaker 1: Give me a sewn on the thing I am here
Speaker 1: if you. Yes, I'm dumb. I closed my laptop thinking
Speaker 1: that the show was over, but I forgot that's how
Speaker 1: I talk to you guys. So yes, I've never done that.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've done the hundred of these shows now,
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Either way. San Francisco is holding
Speaker 1: either way, San Francisco is holding everybody else up whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the draft because of what they could
Speaker 1: potentially do at three. But it's certainly gonna be something
Speaker 1: to talk about over the next couple of weeks. But
Speaker 1: that'll do it for us here on the Dallas Cowboys
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