1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Which is anonymous with the Laria Baldwin and Michelle Campbell 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Mason and I heart radio podcast, Hey, which is welcome back. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm Michelle and I'm Laria. Today we have Maria Prudente, 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: who's a writer, she's an actor, she's a poet, she's 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: a journalist for The Daily Beast, and she is a 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: me too advocate. You guys are going to hear that 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: she broke a very high profile me to story. She 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: is the epitome of a woman supporting other women. UM. Hi, 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: my name is Maria Prudente. I am a writer and 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I live in New York City. I am also a 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: journalist and my most recent work is reporting the sexual 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: assault claims against Sex and the City actor Christnof. And 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. We're so We're so 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: pleased to have you on. I've I've had the the 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: pleasure of meeting you many times throughout the years, but 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: only recently have we started, you know, really like delving in. 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: So UM, I want to get into it sort of 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: immediately with what I was told right away from David 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: and Marcus, which is you were one of the journalists 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: who revealed the christ note story. I was yes. So 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the first story broke in the Hollywood Record. Um, I 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: think December sixteenth, so we're coming up on a year 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: now actually when it when actually came out. Um. And 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: then we saw the story and my friend who I 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: reported on, said, you know, I think I want to 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: come forward with my story and I said, well, I'm 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: happy to write it. And so what we got to, 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, writing, and a couple of hours later we 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: had a story ready for the Daily Beast. And she 30 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: was the third woman who came forward with claims against 31 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: Chris Nolf and so it was it was a wild ride, 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: but it was it was important because it was able 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: were then able to validate the claims to the woman 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: who came before her. So that was what was important 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: to me, and I think we did we did just that. Um. 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, Maria, can you tell us a little bit 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: about your story and yourself before this happened? What what 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: you were doing? I know you worked a lot in 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: the poetry space, and just a little bit about yourself. Yeah. 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: So I was I'm a former actress, a struggling actress 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: in New York trying to make it. Um. I am 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: from Virginia and then I graduated high school and I 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: moved immediately to New York to study musical theater, and 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: uh I then I started working immediately, at like nineteen 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: years old. I was touring the country and shows and 46 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: that I was doing film and TV, and I really, 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: I really loved it until you know, I didn't anymore. 48 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: And I was making like three hundred dollars doing you know, 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: a play for three months, and I was like, Okay, 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: this is gonna be really hard to make a living. 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: So um, Eventually I decided to go back to school 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: and get my bachelor's degree. And I went to Columbia 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: and got my bachelor's in creative writing, and uh yeah, 54 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: I started doing some poetry. I was able to speak 55 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: at the New York City Poetry Festival back in one 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: which was a huge honor. And have published some you know, 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: short stories, personal essays, and now I'm about to graduate. 58 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, I can't believe I'm saying that in two 59 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: weeks from n y U from the journalism school. So 60 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: congratulate us. Have some n y U and us went there. 61 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: I finished my last two college courses there. Yeah. One 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: thing that you said about Chris's story is that it 63 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: gave validation to the women who came before. And one 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: thing I've learned from the Me Too movement is how 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: we are stronger in numbers. And that's one thing that 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: we try to do on this podcast is we're getting 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: more and more people to come forward and talk about 68 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: the themes of women in our relationships with each other, 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: where we get it right, where we get it very wrong, 70 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: and how we can do better and realize that we're 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: all on the same team. And then little by little 72 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: I started having gratitude and awe for the bravery of 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: these women and the end the that my daughters and 74 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: sons will grow up in a world that we talk 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: about consent and we have our boundaries and we respect 76 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: each other's yeses and nos and and you know, and 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: don't push things. Yeah, absolutely, UM, I think I think 78 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: consent is really important. Actually writing a story right now 79 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: about consent in UM the theater education space UM and 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: how young actors coming to New York, especially mine's focused 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: on actors they don't understand, you know, what consent really 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: is at eighteen nineteen years old, UM, and how that's 83 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: really important and how in retrospect many years later, again 84 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: like during Me Too, it took a movement for us 85 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: to realize about things from our past. Oh, maybe I 86 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: agree to doing something that I wasn't, you know, entirely 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: wanting to participate in. UM. And I think that's really important. 88 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: And I think going back to the note story, I 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: mean a situation like that. UM. You know, it's it's 90 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting how you said the women that were so 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: courageous about coming forward. UM. You know, the number one 92 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: thing that people always love to ask after a sexual 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: assault story breaks is why why now? Why did the 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: women come forward? UM? And of course if you read 95 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter article, you would know that the women 96 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: came forward because they were triggered by the promo and 97 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: the press for the new show and just like that, 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: which was the Sex and the City sequel. UM. And 99 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: then of course able the woman that I wrote about 100 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: my article, she came forward because she was wanting to 101 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: validate the claims to the woman who came for her. 102 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: And so when I say that, I say that there 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: is no good timing to do this, you know, there 104 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: really isn't. And it just I think the fact that 105 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: the women were going to get a lot of black 106 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: in the press anyways, because it was coming. They were 107 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: coming out with their stories around the same time as 108 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: the TV show was premiering. Didn't matter. What they were 109 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: doing was really brave and courageous. And it gave Aba, 110 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: the woman that I spoke about in my piece, a 111 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: chance to come forward and tell her story. And then 112 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: the woman that came after her with Coria Alred, who 113 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: shared her story. And so it's just a it's a 114 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: crazy domino effect that you see, And that's what we 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: saw with the Me Too movement. Well that's what's interesting 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: is now we're getting to a place we went we 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: stared with always believed the victim, and now we're starting 118 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: to get well how do you know? Like how how? 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: And and that's a question I'm gonna ask you. How 120 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: did you know that you could believe this victim? Well, 121 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: I have a unique experience and that she was a 122 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: friend of mine, um and so I knew her the 123 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: day after it happened to her in two thousand and ten, 124 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: we spoke about it, So I had this insight. Usually 125 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: journalists won't have that. UM. So even if I didn't 126 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: have that, because right again, like I said, I'm I'm 127 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: doing a lot of reporting on sexual assault victims. Now, 128 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: what it requires is a lot of you know, I 129 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: take you at your word, but I also have to 130 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 1: further corroborate your reports and what you're saying, which means 131 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: talking to other friends, looking at emails, text messages. UM. 132 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: So in this in the in the case of Eva 133 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: in an off story, she you know, she presented a 134 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: lot of information. I spoke to other people, but I 135 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: also still to do my due diligence. I had to 136 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: speak to knowlves camp um, and I had to try 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: to present, you know, a really fair it's fair story, um, 138 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: because that's a really big claim to bring against somebody. 139 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: You don't just and I think people don't realize that. 140 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: The more and more I've talked to other people, it's 141 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: it's and like you know, journalists have to do a 142 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: lot too before they could just put something to the press. 143 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: You can't just say anything. You have to really do 144 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: a lot of reporting and corroboration. So I have a 145 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: question for both of you because I think you know, 146 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: obviously Chris not played Mr Big on Sex in the 147 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: City and this this and was in the first episode 148 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: of the sequel, and Mr Big was our as the 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: young women and the archetype of the ideal man, the 150 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: one you want, the one that you cannot quit, the 151 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: one you marry. Like if he's such an amazing idyllic character, 152 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and um, for the ideal man to be the one 153 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: perpetrating this, I mean, there's just so there's so much 154 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: to it. And I just remember as like someone who 155 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: was a fan of the show, and you know that 156 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: I frankly moved to New York and met my own 157 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: Mr Big and thought that was, you know the thing 158 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: as I'm sure we can all, like you know, brought 159 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: those lines in our lives. Like seeing that character fall, 160 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: I think there's there's almost as more visceral for our 161 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: whole generation. Uh did you too feel that way as well? 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: I found it to be. It's all jarring, but in 163 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: a different aspect. I guess I knew I was gonna 164 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: break a lot of women's hearts with this one, because, um, 165 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: even though I wasn't, I wasn't as a former actor. 166 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: It was kind of an open secret about notes behavior, 167 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: so we kind of knew already, um, but no one 168 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: had said anything. But I knew that audiences around the world, 169 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: We're going to be devastated to learn that this person, 170 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: especially because he was so beloved and that was evident 171 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: when he dies in the first episode. Sorry spoiler alert, 172 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: but everyone kind of already died in the first episode 173 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: of and just like that, and then he's like, you know, 174 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: revived in this peloton ad. I mean people were so devastated. Um. 175 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: So I yeah, I mean I had convicted of emotions 176 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: about it as well. You know it. Um, I've again, 177 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: I've also had many bigs of my lifetime here in 178 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: New York as well. I'm gonna get more into um, 179 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, the releasing a story that you know is 180 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: going to have a tremendous impact on multiple people's lives. 181 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: What's the feeling of that pressing send and putting it 182 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: out there that moment? Well, as a reporter, and my 183 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: my number one concern is the person that I'm reporting on, 184 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the person who is in this case, Eva, who was 185 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: the the survivor of assault and so making sure that 186 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: she was doing okay. Um. But also I could not 187 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: have predicted that there would be as much interest as 188 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: there was. I It's like I forget I write so 189 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: must I didn't realize that he was as famous as 190 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: he was, and so when good Morning America and the 191 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: Today Show and Dateline and ABC News, all these people 192 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: are contacting me. I was really overwhelmed, thinking, Okay, I 193 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: don't know what I've got myself into it. And then 194 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: it just sort of blew up onto the television and 195 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: then the next thing, the mail and all these other 196 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: news places are showing how his you know, his personal 197 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: life is you know, actively imploding in front of us. Um, 198 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: he's losing business deals. I think he was dropped from 199 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: a TV show that he was on. He Um. The 200 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: Sex and the City cast came out um supporting the 201 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: women um relatively soon after the story broke. And so 202 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: as a reporter, I don't I don't enjoy seeing the 203 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: person that, you know, the celebrity for example, I don't 204 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: enjoy seeing their life fall apart. That's not why we 205 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: write these stories, but it is. It is a side 206 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: effect of of what happens. If that's what the if 207 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: that's what the public is doing to sort of help 208 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: triage this issue, then that's what they're doing. Um My, 209 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: my main, my main thing is to say, hey, there's 210 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: this we we think that there's this pattern of behavior, 211 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: and our goal here, you know, when journalism is to 212 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: bring this to light and sort of stop this behavior 213 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: from continuing on. And if that's what we were able 214 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: to do, you know, I hope that that's what we 215 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: were able to do. Did you get hate for it? Um? 216 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: You know I didn't. If I did, I didn't. I 217 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 1: didn't find it. I didn't. I certainly didn't go looking comments. Um. 218 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: That was Yeah, that was my advice to Ava. I said, 219 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: please don't make the comments because everyone's going to try 220 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: to poke holes in your story. And the weird thing is, 221 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: after you break a story, other news sites then take 222 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: your story and then they sort of regurgitate it and 223 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: they'll sort of reword things, so that's not like plagiarism, 224 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: and so that's sometimes how things can kind of get misconstrued. 225 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: That was really weird to read that's something I'd written 226 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: and then have them say like what I wrote again? Um, 227 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: but I noticed that that was that was a source 228 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: of worry for um, for Eva and I could I 229 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: could understand that, But you mean that that the it 230 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: was kind of like playing telephone where people were yeah, yeah, 231 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: because the news cycle, they have to tell the story 232 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: all over again, but they have to reword things, so 233 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: it's you know, and I just said, but just remember 234 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: that the story that we wrote is the story that's 235 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: the truth. And the new cycles so fast. To this 236 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: new cycle moves so fast, so they're rushing to write 237 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: rewrite these things. Um. And it's just again, it's it's hard. 238 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: The technology has really changed the way that we've received 239 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: the news, and it's and it's it has I think 240 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: added to this mistrust. Yeah, for sure. I think back 241 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: to my early twenties when I had more of my 242 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: experiences that would fall into the me too um category 243 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: and how I dealt with them and I, UM, I 244 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: didn't talk about it, and I blamed myself and I 245 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: would UM, I'd say, Okay, you put yourself in that position. 246 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: Next time, I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna 247 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: be smarter next time, only smarter, and I'm not gonna 248 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: do that. And I'm not gonna put myself in that 249 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: position again. You are so stupid to put yourself in 250 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: that position, and You're not going to do that again, 251 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: you know. And I think oftentimes, just women, we feel 252 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: like we owe things to people, and I would be 253 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: less standing up for myself. And when I met my husband, UM, 254 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: I put my debit card down at every single meal 255 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to owe him anything, and that 256 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: was my fear. And part of it was like the 257 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: paying for dinner thing that was for some reason, I 258 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: was so hung up on it, and I just had 259 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: this like urge to be like, hey, I'm here because 260 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: I want to be here, not because I owe you anything. 261 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: I just want that to be very clear. This is 262 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: not a transaction, and not that he would even go there, 263 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: but that was all the stuff that I had from before, 264 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: and I just think it would be interesting to to use, 265 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, go through those years now with with you know, 266 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: with the me too movement, and how I could have 267 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: looked at things where I blamed myself and it maybe 268 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: wasn't me. Definitely wasn't you. But that question we can answer. Yeah. Absolutely. 269 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I've been having experiences like that recently with a friend 270 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: of mine. We both worked for the same person, and 271 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: he was telling me again in retrospect, hey, did you 272 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: understand you know that there were some weird things going 273 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: on with this with you know, our boss for example, 274 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I know, I was. I experienced 275 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: those things um with him, but I but I even now, 276 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: even and I've been grappling it with for a long time. 277 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: I keep thinking, I don't think I think I was. 278 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: I think I decided to participate in that. So it's still, 279 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: even though you can read as many stories as you 280 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: want with me too, and you still when it comes 281 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: to yourself, you're still tied to these ideas. And it's 282 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: I still think about it all the time. I just think, 283 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: about three years old, what was I doing? You know, 284 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: I would do things very differently though now ten years later, 285 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: it is interesting how are how how we deal with 286 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: it as we get older. And I think that's what's 287 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: so unfortunate with so many of these people that are attacked. 288 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: They're very young, you know, categorically, and when you're young, 289 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: you don't you don't see it in the same way 290 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: I was recently, actually, and I don't know how I 291 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: categorized this, but a very famous man who has been 292 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: me too, d and canceled. I met at a restaurant. 293 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: We had some friends in common, and he's perfectly nice, 294 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: but came up behind me and started rubbing my shoulders publicly. 295 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: And I, you know, I own two businesses. I'm in 296 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: my thirties, are very confident with who I am, and 297 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: where where I stand in the world. If I had 298 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: been twenty two and like, you know, just like trying 299 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: to feel my way through life, I don't know if 300 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: I would have been able to handle it the way 301 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: I handle it was like okay, ha ha you and 302 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: then you walk away. But it's so interesting the bravado 303 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: and these people too to have been accused, canceled and 304 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: continue to do it. So it's so much more than 305 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: just like it's endemic in these in these in the 306 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: in society and these people that feel untouchable. But that 307 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: was a trip. But going back to just being young 308 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: and how you think, oh, well, I just deserve this 309 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: because I'm a I'm a body and this is this 310 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: is how like we're so commodified, right, especially if it's 311 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: someone who's in a position of power like your boss 312 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: or in the situation of Eva from the nove article 313 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Chris note, is this here's big with you in a 314 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: in a restaurant that you're working with your she was 315 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: a lounge singer trying to just trying to scrape by 316 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: and make money, and of course he's giving you attention. 317 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: So you think, okay, well this feels nice, but then 318 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: it suddenly doesn't turn up. You know, it turns the 319 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: other direction. It can be very very confusing. Um So 320 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and again, it's something you kind of 321 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: learn over time, but I want women who are younger 322 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: to kind of learn this much sooner, like in eighteen nineteen. Hey, 323 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: you're about to enter the real world. Just so you know, 324 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: this might make you feel special. But well as as 325 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: a mom, these are conversations that I start having with 326 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: my kids. So I'm parenting very differently because of the 327 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: me too movement, which doesn't mean we went right into 328 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: the whole sex conversation. I literally just started having the 329 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: sex conversation with my nine year old and my seven 330 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: year old and it, I mean, for those of you 331 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: guys who have been following my parents journey for many years, 332 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: you guys know that was like the squeamish thing that 333 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: I like. I was so afraid, I mean everything, and 334 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: most people are just afraid to talk about it. But 335 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: um I knew I had to, like mommy up and 336 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: do it. But before that, even when they're younger, I 337 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: teach them to hear no, which doesn't mean that they 338 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: necessarily do it, but I know that it's planted in there. 339 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: This person said stop. This person said no, or you 340 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: said no, so I'm going to stop. You said stop, 341 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: so I stopped. And planting these seeds of just behavior 342 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: and learning to respect another human being as a whole 343 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: person over there, That's something I hope, I hope. I mean, 344 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm only have a 345 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: nine year old and below. I don't know the years 346 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: of you know, beyond, but I hope that that's going 347 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: to both educate them how to treat other people, because 348 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: that's a part of it as well. We're not talking 349 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: about this just as the victim. I mean, I want 350 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: to make sure that we're also not hurting people as well. 351 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: We have to look at it from both sides of 352 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: the possible you know, um spectrum. But you know, and 353 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: I want so I want to make sure that they're 354 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: not hurting people and that they're not hurt and then, 355 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, a little by little, the conversation can go 356 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: into sex. But I was even thinking before this, the 357 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: sex that at least I had growing up was like 358 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: you learned how to put a condom on a banana. 359 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: You know. It's like literally, I would like, we didn't 360 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: talk about consent. We didn't know about these things. And 361 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: so even before eighteen years old, of whoa, this is 362 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: what you're going to get into before that, what does 363 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: it mean to have intimacy with somebody? You know? What 364 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: is that consent? And is this person really consenting? Are 365 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: we really in it together? Or is this something that 366 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm pushing you know? Or am I you know? They 367 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: are they afraid if they don't do this, then I'm gonna, 368 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, go and do that or take this away 369 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: from them if it's like a job or something like that. 370 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: M hmm. Wonderful kids. Um, because like there's this idea 371 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: when I of asking another about asking a little kid, 372 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: can I hug you? Or like, I don't know if 373 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: it's not something that you talk about with your kids 374 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: to know, I mean, it's really it's really hard because 375 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up with the handshaking culture of 376 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: here and the kissing culture of Europe. And it's, um, 377 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: like I was, I was taught you you go around 378 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: little kids asking you little kids, book if two kisses 379 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: to and give two kiss to over and give two 380 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: kisses to everyone, and um, and there is a warmth. 381 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm somebody, I'm a hugger, I'm gonna see you, I'm 382 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: gonna be like, let me give you a hug. It 383 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: out with the person is like, you know, handshake person. 384 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm hopefully, I hope I will make sure they don't 385 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: give you a hug when you want to handshake, but 386 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: it is I want to make sure that we don't 387 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: lose the warmth through fear. That's a fine line, but 388 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: able to fine line at the same time, you know, 389 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: it's hopefully the way that we're hugging each other is 390 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: not you know, violating anyone too. So there's definitely there's 391 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: definitely you know, a line of that, you know in 392 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: in the media as well. I wonder what it's like 393 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: for people going through reliving a trauma. I mean that's 394 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: not like these people. I mean people sometimes paying victims 395 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: have come forward as like, oh, they just want attention, 396 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: and it's like if this is a real trauma, which 397 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: I think nine times another ten it is, is this 398 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: a real trauma, then they don't want to relive it. 399 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: I've had, you know, going back to my my experiences 400 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: of you know, my my early twenties and bad experiences 401 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: that I've had the media who seems to knock on 402 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: my door for a lot of things has has UM 403 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: tried to I don't want to say, although I've heard 404 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: that the word with my publicist when we sort of 405 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: fight back with it's called victim shame. And they've they've 406 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: tried to, UM, you know, open up things that that bad, 407 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: things that have happened to me that you know, other 408 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: people knew and it's not their story to tell my story. 409 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: And I think my you know, one of the fears. 410 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: As much as I'm you know, I want to be 411 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: applauding women who are coming forward, and I want to 412 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: use this platform and my you know, my social media 413 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: to to promote UM me too in a way that 414 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: feels supportive to to everybody who comes forward. For me, 415 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm afraid of it in terms of for myself 416 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: because I just don't know, you know, triggering, how how 417 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: that would feel coming forward. And I think, you know, 418 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: in my therapy sessions, the one thing I'm not missing 419 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: is the photographer outside of my house deciding he wants 420 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: to be in the therapy session with me by taking 421 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: a photo and then putting in the news. And I 422 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: know that even for people who are not famous who've 423 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: come forward and used their identity that is something that 424 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: they experienced that you know. I had one woman she said, 425 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, the's photographers at my door. And I'm like, yeah, 426 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: that's that's what happens. This is a fact. Actually it's 427 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: not you know what you're saying and experiencing and talking 428 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: about what the trauma like. It is a scientific fact 429 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: that is, you know, it's it's addressed by therapists, meditation 430 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: coaches that I work with everyone in the healing space 431 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: that you every time you say it, no matter, you know, 432 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: we heal and we can tell our story. But chemically, 433 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: your cortisol in your body changes, it brings up the 434 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: trauma response, and so you're actually putting yourself into the 435 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: cycle of feeling the pain over and over again. And 436 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of therapy and a lot of 437 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: work in meditation in which he worked to rewire your 438 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: neural pathways to heal trauma so you don't keep re 439 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: experiencing the same pain. Um but the tenet of learning 440 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: that and executing that and being able to release trauma. 441 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: And I am not a doctor, I'm but I am 442 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: telling you what I've been taught over and overthrew Joe 443 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: to spends amazing therapists and fantastic coaches in in the 444 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: healing space that every time you go there, you you 445 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: do harm yourself in a way. So finding a way 446 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: to a you know, really have that conversation or be 447 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: able to get to a point in which you're not 448 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: bringing up every point or saying it over and over, 449 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: because it's really hard for you to heal and move 450 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: forward and change how you how you look at things. 451 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: So it's it's a very very real thing. And I 452 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: think when exacerbated and like kind of put out in 453 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: the media in a way that isn't conscious, these people 454 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: just keep reliving the pain. Yeah, that's a really good point. 455 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: When I was reporting on the nose story, um, I 456 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: think because we were friends, there was already this trust 457 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: that existed, which probably I think helped, but I still 458 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: was really painful to have to ask for these explicit details. 459 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: What happened, How did you get into the office? Was 460 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: the door? Like? What happened? Um? Because we need to 461 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: figure out should we call this rape, should we call 462 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: this assault? Should we call this? What should we call this? 463 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: And it required all these specifics and and doing so 464 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: you are actively aware that you are possibly triggering re 465 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: triggering this person reliving their their trauma. Um. And I'm 466 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: even doing the same thing and reporting now having people 467 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: you're you're trying to take a trauma informed approach in 468 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: my reporting, saying you know, look, if you need to 469 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: take a you know, a break and and talking to me, 470 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: please do. And some of them will just stop and 471 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: say like, I'm sorry, I'm having a moment. I'm I'm 472 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: living this thing. They'll cry, um, and or oh, this 473 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: thing just came up. A lot of times I'll be 474 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: talking to someone and something brandy will just come up 475 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: for them, um, which they haven't thought about in years, 476 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: which is really interesting. UM. And the good the good 477 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: news is, I think for me, a lot of times 478 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: when I walk away from it, a lot of them 479 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 1: feel like a relief and they released something and talking 480 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: to me um if they haven't already done that in therapy. 481 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: But it really is interesting how that isn't there is 482 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: that there is that that challenge is sometimes it can 483 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: be really good what they're doing, but they can also 484 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: be you know, re re traumatizing themselves process. Absolutely, what 485 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: do you think is next with me too? After you've 486 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: moderated such a big part of this conversation so so 487 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: recently because it had been going on for quite a 488 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: long time before that, Or do you see a shift 489 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: in how people are communicating coming forward, or how maybe 490 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: the media is bring it in a different way. So, 491 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I I think my answer is kind of be biased 492 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: if I'm being totally honest. Um, I don't know what 493 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: the future looks like for me to UM. I think, uh, look, 494 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: we've I think everything's kind of gone to the other 495 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: extreme where now we we we disbelieve everybody. Um. So 496 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: I hope that we can get back to believing women 497 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: again as they feel like we've kind of gone to 498 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: the other side, which is sort of I think we 499 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: all thought would happen eventually. Um. But so that's a 500 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: good question. I just recently had a conversation with someone 501 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: about the note article and they completely said, you know, wow, 502 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: you you you blew up guy's career twenty plus years. 503 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Why why why did she have to talk, you know, 504 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: and how did you believe her? So I'm feeling a 505 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: little myself, a little disillusioned because I thought, Okay, well, 506 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: how much progress have we made? But she's only one person, 507 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: But there are other people out there that are like her. 508 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Who disbelieve women and who have such distressed and so 509 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I think I would encourage women 510 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: to keep coming forward. Um. And then you know, I 511 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: think what we've probably seen the future too. I mean, 512 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: especially if if the things I'm working, the projects that 513 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm working on, get out there too, we'll start to 514 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: see more not just women, but men as well coming 515 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: forward and sharing their stories. Um. You know, something that 516 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: we haven't even discussed. I think in the cultural zeite 517 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: geist really is like same sex, you know, predation and assault. Um, 518 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: that's something that we have to we haven't even touched 519 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: on yet. So I think there's there's other iterations of 520 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: me too. It's not just going to be about women. Um. 521 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: But I think we should continue to believe women. Um. 522 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: And I think that we should, you know, as journalists, 523 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: we should always try to corroborate our stories as much 524 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: as possible and try to be as fair as possible 525 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: because if if there there's going to be a story 526 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: where you didn't get it right, and that does ruin 527 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: it for for for the others who just do decide 528 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: to come forward. UM. But yeah, so I'm not sure. 529 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: I think I think I want to be I want 530 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: to be positive. We love the positivity. There's enough negativity 531 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: out there. No, I mean, look, can I say I 532 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: think the majority again, the majority of the stuff that 533 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: has come out, we all know it's true. We all 534 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: know it's true. And I think that most of us 535 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: can think right now back to a time when we 536 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: could have had an example of saying that's not okay, 537 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, And I think if we can get to 538 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: a place where yeah, sure, we want to make sure, 539 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: we want to keep it clean. We always want to 540 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: go in and not just say all right, we're gonna 541 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: just go destroy this person's life without listening. But we 542 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: gotta listen. And that's what me too is about. It's 543 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: not just making accusations and then you know, going and 544 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, burning, burning that one. You know, it's literally 545 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: about going saying okay, let's talk about it, come in, 546 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: let's let's you know, let's let's create a safe space 547 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: for you to speak what what happened, and and then 548 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: we can help you and we can educate the next generation, 549 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: educate oursels else and the next generation so that hopefully 550 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: they can do better. Well, that's the perfect history lesson, right, 551 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: because if we're not heard if we don't listen to 552 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: the stories of before, we can't of course correct and 553 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: teach the younger generations. So like we have to have 554 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: this positivity and openness now, otherwise it'll just continue to 555 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: happen over and over time in a perfect world. In 556 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: a perfect world, you know, after after the NOE article 557 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: came out, what could have happened is there could have 558 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: been a bigger conversation of okay, here, what you're saying, 559 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: what let's talk about like what happened? And then the 560 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: culture could have been a part of that conversation. But instead, 561 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: you know, he was sort of exiled and excommunicated from 562 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, the cultural conversation and nothing and sort of 563 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: went away, and then no conversations ends up happening. So 564 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I think that maybe the future, at least, what I'd 565 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: like to see from you too, is that there is 566 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: sort of like an exchange between the people in the 567 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: public and the people who are making accusations or you know, 568 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: just coming to the press and saying something, and then 569 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: the journalists needed to sort of mediate that, I think 570 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: in their work. Um, So that's what I hope to 571 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: see so that we can we can prevent, Like you said, 572 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: prevented from happening. I'd like to put some like frosting 573 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: on that goal of yours too and say like, also, 574 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: let's make it. You know, we have all gone through 575 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: so much, and Hillary has shared a lot today and 576 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: I've shared a little bit about so many people I 577 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: know that have been assaulted. But you know that we 578 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: are so much more than our trauma, and these women 579 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: that get the spotlight put on them in these situations 580 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: are often now just like which is only remembered for 581 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: the trauma, and we are whole people with the whole story. 582 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: So let's hope that journalists like you that are so 583 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: accountable and do work so hard to tell, to bring 584 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: a full picture to light, helps create that that we 585 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: are not just victims. Just like I really had a 586 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: hard time with that movie Blonde Um, even though it's 587 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: based on a novel that's a very sensationalized version of 588 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: Maryland's life. Yes, we know she was assaulted and very 589 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: abused and had a very hard time the studio system, 590 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: but I thought it was so sad that this powerful, amazing, 591 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: talented person was just kind of put into this box 592 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: of a victim. And I think just the movie I 593 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: couldn't stop crying the whole time, and it was so 594 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: much of the story, but so much of that that 595 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: she had just been made so small and and just 596 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: you know, a vessel for trauma when she represents so 597 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: much positivity to so many people. You're so right, and 598 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: that's have been some of the best advice given to 599 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: me is you are not the bad things that happened 600 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: to you. I am not the bad things that happened 601 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: to me in my twenties that I have yet to 602 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: speak about. I am not the trolls, the abuser's, the bullies, 603 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: their negativity. That is not who I am. That is 604 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: something that they do to me that is not who 605 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I am. And the same thing for everybody out there. 606 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: You are a whole, positive person with so much potential 607 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: and so worth it. Don't let the negativity start to 608 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: consume your entire identity. Hell yes, hell yeah, hell um. Okay. 609 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: On that note, what are we covering in the Coven Ladies? 610 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: So I'm going real which this week? So I think 611 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave this one off to bring Maria into it. 612 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: You know, like we've talked about it. Every week, we 613 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: have something that we're coverting and I'm going to start 614 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: with witches and us being more than our than our story. 615 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: And this is Which Oracle Cards an anatomy of a 616 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: witch cards per mind, body, and spirit, and you can 617 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: you pick a card and it kind of tells you, 618 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: like what you need in that moment or encourages you 619 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: to kind of explore one path or another in your 620 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: in your decision making it that day. And it's always 621 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: positive and a little mystical, and you know, it's just 622 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: it's also a very pretty box. Anatomy of the Which 623 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: Oracle Cards available probably on Amazon. I love that. When 624 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: I was when I was at the correction facility where 625 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm starting to teach you. Then I was connecting 626 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: with the people there. Um this one woman she she 627 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: ran back to her bunk and she said, they have 628 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: um yoga sometimes it's gonna be a little different, but 629 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: they have yoga sometimes. And they're like she brings as 630 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: these cards that are kind of like that that have 631 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: sayings and you know, sort of sort of spiritual meaning 632 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: on them, and she had saved three. She gets she 633 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: gets so excited she gets to save them and she says, 634 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: I read them over and over again to bring positivity 635 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: into my mind and to think this is somebody who 636 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: is in the same room for most of the day 637 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: and this gives her such hope and such you know, 638 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: connectedness into the kind of person that she wants to 639 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: evolve into being. Oh, it's the little things, like the 640 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: little affirmation that can get us through the hardest times. 641 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: And I think that all the like we've talked about 642 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: trauma victims today, what these tools are, and I think 643 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: that's something we should all will be putting on the 644 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: platform after today too. You know, many ways that we 645 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: can cope and find fun light in the world. Mariah, 646 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: what's yours? So this is this looks silly but kind 647 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: of kind of whatchy. This is a base, um, and 648 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: I believe it or not. And um, I think that 649 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: one of the things that brings me a lot of 650 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: joy where I find the peace. It sounds a little silly, 651 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: but I do like arranging flowers, cutting flowers and arranging them, 652 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: and I think, um, I think doing something something simple 653 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: like that is really good for you. And I want, 654 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: especially just talking about women who've been gone through so 655 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: much trauma, like taking some time for yourself, making, like 656 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: making something beautiful, like find some flowers, cut them, arrange them, 657 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: put them around your house and I don't know, put 658 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: them in like silly looking plases like these. Um. That's that, 659 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: and that really is it, when you're having a really 660 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: bad moment, bringing its beauty into your life for good 661 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: people support. It's what it comes your nervous system, which 662 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: is really what this comes down to, you know, is 663 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: my nervous system out of whack because I have been abused, 664 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, and whether that is in person online, you know, 665 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: if something coming up from the past, some fear from 666 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: the future, but that can still you know, mess with 667 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: your nervous system and to settle yourself into the present. 668 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: That's that's such a good one. Mine today is a 669 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: book that changed my life in my twenties. UM. It's 670 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: a book called Waking the Tigerup by Peter Levine, and 671 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: it's about somatic experiencing. And I don't know if you 672 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: guys have heard it. It's become much more common than 673 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: it was, UM back back then. And I read it. 674 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: I read it again, I underlined it, and it's all 675 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: about UM dealing with trauma and trying to release it 676 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: from the body. Understanding that trauma is held in the 677 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: body and I can talk and talk and talk about things, 678 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: but my mind is going places and my body is 679 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: actually going with that trauma there. So how do you 680 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: talk about it and sent to yourself and teach your 681 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: body and teach your nervous system that you're not in 682 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: that trauma anymore? And that was a life changing book 683 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: for me and really has helped me through the years 684 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: process trauma. So whenever you know some of the stuff 685 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: that I talked about today, it every single bit brings 686 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: up trauma for me. So after this session, I'm going 687 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: to go and I'm gonna go do some you know, 688 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: somatic experiencing stuff that I that I learned and UM 689 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully get my my body back into a present 690 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: state where I can be both happy and a good 691 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: human of the universe. Oh, You're always a good human 692 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: of the universe. Thanks UM, Thank you so much for 693 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: taking the time and being with us. And it was 694 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: just a very interesting conversation. I learned quite a lot 695 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: from you, and I really have never gotten into a 696 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: place where I talked so so deeply with about the 697 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 1: Me Too movement, and especially not with a reporter who 698 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: has been as close to it as you have. Thank 699 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: you so much for having me. This was really interesting 700 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: conversation and uh yeah, I'm just really grateful, thank you, 701 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: thank you. I feel like we covered so much and 702 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: I feel so much more kind of aware of your 703 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: side of things and how and how much I respect 704 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: journalists that think in the way you do, and that 705 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: there's so much we should be hopeful and have more 706 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: trust because there are people out you telling stories the 707 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: right way. So thank you, and now tell us how 708 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: everyone can find you and your work. You can find 709 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: me and my work on my website, which is Maria 710 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: Prudente dot com, and I have an Instagram page which 711 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: is Maria A Prudente. All right, thanks Mario. We look 712 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: forward to continuing this conversation with you. Thank you. Yeah, 713 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: you know what, Michelle, that was an amazing conversation. You know, 714 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: for me, who's usually on the other side of the story, 715 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: it's really nice to hear from journalist who is really 716 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: doing her homework and really being very thoughtful as she's 717 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: investigating a very big story that affects a lot of people, 718 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: aside from being extremely smart, and I think she really 719 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: opened up our perspective on the amount of work and 720 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 1: credibility it takes to responsibly talk about abuse and how 721 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: how to convey that and how to do it in 722 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: a way that's safe for the victim, and you know, 723 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: very clear, and I think too, you know, she she's 724 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: a reminder that there are so many amazing journalists and 725 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: people in the press that do everything they can to 726 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: make sure they're telling the best story possible. And in 727 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: a world where we hear people mistrusting the media a lot, 728 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: I think Marie is such a breath of fresh air, 729 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: and I think we're very lucky to have her on 730 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: for this amazing conversation which I feel that you and 731 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: I both opened up and learned so much today. Absolutely, 732 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: such a breath of fresh air. All Right, ladies, that's 733 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: it for today. Don't forget to rate reviews, subscribe, share 734 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: with your friends. We love that our coven is growing. 735 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: Find us on social media, and we'll see you next week. Bye. Thanks, 736 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: Which is