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Speaker 1: Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders for another episode

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Speaker 1: of Bio Order. The Faithfuls Swells Adams here alongside Dolores Catania. Dolores,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say you look stunning today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You are always full of compliments.

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Speaker 1: But like I feel like today you are really like

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Speaker 1: it's on point dark. Were you filming something like what's

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Speaker 1: happening here? You look like you're twenty two years old?

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Speaker 2: I do, Oh my god, thank you. Well, yes, I

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Speaker 2: was filming a podcast in Miami, Glow and Tell, my

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Speaker 2: friend Marisa's podcast. So yeah, it was so much fun

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Speaker 2: glowing Blow and Tell, No, not blow and Tell, though,

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Speaker 2: Glow and Tell.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing blow.

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Speaker 2: It's about a glow up. It's like female talk, women talk,

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Speaker 2: you know, gossip, women tell things like that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well you came correct to that one and

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Speaker 1: to this podcast. Thank you for joining the show. I'm

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Speaker 1: so sorry that I've been gone for the past like

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Speaker 1: three episodes I missed. I know. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: have been able to like handle the show without me.

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Speaker 2: Well we handled it, but it's just not as good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're really amazing. I have to

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Speaker 2: say you know, and you wanted really the truth. When

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Speaker 2: I first met you, I didn't think you were that nice,

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Speaker 2: and I think you're the nicest person I ever met

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Speaker 2: in my life.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait when we met on the show.

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Speaker 2: Wow, after the show, like, yeah, you seemed cranky, and

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Speaker 2: at the Active reunion you seemed cranky too. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I just think, like it was so wrong. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad I gave you a chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think I was cranky at the reunion

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Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't know why I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't on this television show. But I'm sorry that

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Speaker 1: I need to do better about that when I get

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Speaker 1: into like business mode, like if I like, I think

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about when we had the photo shoot,

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Speaker 1: it's like when I'm doing that, like I'm just focusing

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Speaker 1: on that and not trying to be as gregarious. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, that's probably why I didn't do very

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Speaker 1: well on Traders.

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Speaker 2: It couldn't be more wrong. Like you are just such

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Speaker 2: a gentleman and you're so kind, and I love how

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Speaker 2: you are with your wife and your little You know

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Speaker 2: how I feel about your picture behind you, And it's

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Speaker 2: just I just think you're great so you know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: give somebody a chance to really get to know them

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Speaker 2: before you just don't like them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would have been missing out on this.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite quotes is be kind for everyone

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Speaker 1: you know is fighting a hard battle.

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Speaker 2: And that's true. And you know what one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite quotes are from Streetcar named Desire. Blanche Wa said

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Speaker 2: she depended on the kindness of a stranger. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess we're on the same page.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to talk about episode ten of season

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Speaker 1: four of Traders because it feels like we are I

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Speaker 1: think we're in the penultimate episode.

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Speaker 2: So the semi finals.

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Speaker 1: It seems like the walls are closing in a bit

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Speaker 1: on pretty boy snake charmer Rob.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel about Moura, really, like how you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're so good, like a snake boyd charmer, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: shut up, Maura, talk or don't talk at all, or

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Speaker 2: make some sense somewhere, finish a sentence, but you're pretty

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Speaker 2: so shut up.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like saying that the walls are closing in

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Speaker 1: him because he's so handsome, because he is. He is

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Speaker 1: very handsome. But I will say that everyone in that

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Speaker 1: castle has been digmatized by this man for a very

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Speaker 1: long time, and I feel like now they're starting to

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Speaker 2: Well it's the walls are closing in and he's starting

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Speaker 2: to feel it. So they come down to breakfast, right,

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Speaker 2: and every trader goes through this during this time. It

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Speaker 2: is the weight of lying. Yeah, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: people that are actual pathological liars get through life without

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Speaker 2: that weight burden on your back, because it is heavy,

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Speaker 2: like the lies come after you, they collect you. It's heavy.

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Speaker 2: And I'm painfully honest, by the way, and even at

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Speaker 2: I'm honest. I can't live a lie. And these people

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Speaker 2: really aren't inherent liars, it doesn't seem to be. And

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Speaker 2: he's at that breakfast table looking so defeated with his

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Speaker 2: big cheerleaders sitting next to him. Who He's looking at

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Speaker 2: this girl saying another guy's lie, like this is what

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to think. Like I don't think he

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Speaker 2: was thinking this, but like she was cheated on. That's

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Speaker 2: the reason she was on what Love Island or is

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Speaker 2: it you know her from Love Island? Right? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So she went on to spite her boyfriend who lied

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Speaker 2: to her, and here she is sitting in front of

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Speaker 2: bothering him because she's like looking up to him and

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Speaker 2: she's following following him around the castle, like you know,

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Speaker 2: he's he's the guy, you know, And I feel bad.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for him, and I also feel bad

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Speaker 2: for her in this moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, watching it back has got to be tough to

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Speaker 1: see how like wrong you were about someone. And I

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Speaker 1: keep thinking about I try to prognosticate into the future

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Speaker 1: of like if it comes down to Rob and Maura

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Speaker 1: at the end, I don't think that Mora will say

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Speaker 1: I think you're a trader.

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Speaker 2: I think that right to the end, she's going to

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Speaker 2: stand by him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that I'm actually not sure if

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Speaker 1: he's going to make it that far, but like it's

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Speaker 1: it might break her, it might break them both to

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Speaker 1: like be at the end and then he has to

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Speaker 1: be like, actually, I'm a trader, And I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Mora when she hears it information.

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Speaker 1: If it comes to fruition Uh, but it's a it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing, you know. Like Eric and Rob in

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Speaker 1: this turret. I think they're a very good team. They're

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Speaker 1: very unsteeming. Rob is the mastermind. Eric is just like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just here and tell me what to do.

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Speaker 2: He's a little bit of a shield as far as

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Speaker 2: I can see.

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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, you know. At breakfast we

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Speaker 1: find out that Kristen was the one that was murdered,

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Speaker 1: and Kristen was the one who was saying like, it's

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Speaker 1: Eric at the end of the night, and if I

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Speaker 1: end up dead, it's going to be Eric. I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: that they went that route because it Ben shows shines

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Speaker 2: I did think about that, but Kristen did not speak

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Speaker 2: smart about it, but she said it to the wrong person. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's the problem. That's where this problem comes in,

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Speaker 2: and that's why she was murdered.

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Speaker 1: She also says it to Rob, and that information is

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Speaker 1: gold to Rob, right, like, because he can either get

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Speaker 1: rid of him, Yeah, he can divulge that to Eric

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Speaker 1: and be like, I don't know if it's a good

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Speaker 1: idea for you to get rid of Christen because of

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Speaker 1: this is what it said, or yeah, sure, if that's

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Speaker 1: what you want to get go after, then fine, and

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Speaker 1: then I have plausible deniability tomorrow when I vote, if

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Speaker 1: I vote you out, you know.

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Speaker 2: He could have turned on him. Sure, that was his chance.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering what he was going to do with

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Speaker 2: that information. But he's not. I don't think he's done

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Speaker 2: with Eric. He still needs him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't talk about the evenisode without talking about Tara.

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Speaker 1: It seems like this show is like really like it's

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Speaker 1: getting to Rob in a way of like the weight

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Speaker 1: of lies are starting to weigh him down, and you

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Speaker 1: can see it in his face at that breakfast. I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting there thinking if I'm still there, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Rob being like, you look tired, You look like you're done.

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Speaker 1: And when I think of someone who's tied, I think

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Speaker 1: of someone who's a trader because they have to stay

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Speaker 1: up much later than everybody else because they gotta be

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Speaker 2: Right, But everybody's so tired at this point, it's getting wrong,

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Speaker 2: It is starting to get rough. It's about that time

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Speaker 2: when things start to really weigh heavy. The end is

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Speaker 2: so close, the pot the winner, the pot of gold.

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Speaker 2: The money's at the tip of your fingers, so close,

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Speaker 2: but it's so far because every second you could get

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Speaker 2: thrown out of this game. It's a hard time in

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Speaker 1: My heart breaks for Tara because I think what's breaking

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Speaker 1: her is the fact that she has been wrong so

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Speaker 1: often and she is starting to question, like I think,

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Speaker 1: her own intelligence or her own instincts in the shows

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Speaker 1: with your head, for sure, and that's the point of

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Speaker 1: the game. But there's like a party that wants to

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Speaker 1: wrap my arms around and be like it's okay, Like

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Speaker 1: we all have been wrong on this show.

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Speaker 2: Mark does do that, and I'm it's like, it's no

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Speaker 2: one's ever done that for me before. And I know

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Speaker 2: you believe me. I know you know that's true.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm Paul has wrapped his arms around.

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Speaker 2: One man has ever said it's going to be okay.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if I cried, that would call for that. You

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Speaker 2: get that? Wells yes, I mean not to digress off

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Speaker 2: of my life right now, but like I was like, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, you know in that moment, that's really sweet, and

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Speaker 1: it also is like really powerful for Tara, even though

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. She thinks it's powerful. It's because

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Speaker 1: Mark is like, there is no way that that was acting,

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Speaker 1: and if it was, she deserves an oscar. I think

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Speaker 1: it's what he says.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've had some There was some good acting on

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Speaker 2: our season. Let me tell you. Danielle was convulsing on

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Speaker 2: the floor. Oh, I know that was bad acting. Though

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Speaker 2: that's true, that was too much. But you do know

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Speaker 2: that even the traders cry when they vote somebody out.

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Speaker 2: Look at how Britt fell apart when she voted Danielle.

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Speaker 2: I mean she literally unraveled. So a trader can get

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Speaker 2: that upset about getting out of Faithful and being upset

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Speaker 2: about it because they feel bad. I mean, you have

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Speaker 2: to have a conscience if you're unconsciable. The best trader

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Speaker 2: is an unconsciable trader for sure.

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Speaker 1: So Tara, as misguided as she feels she is, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because she's actually on the right trail. She to

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Speaker 1: suspect Rob is a trader. She talks to Natalie, they

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Speaker 1: try to recruit Maura to vote with them, and that

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Speaker 1: to me, that was like you should have gone after

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Speaker 1: Mark over Maura.

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Speaker 3: More.

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Speaker 1: I feel like La is never going to get Yes,

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Speaker 1: she's she's defied.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this girl she's going to be like I trusted

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Speaker 2: another guy any lot. I mean it's not gonna I

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Speaker 2: don't know how she feels now, but yeah, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: you really do. I'm going to tell you it takes

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Speaker 2: its toll being a liar and trusting someone when you

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Speaker 2: leave this game and you you know, you go to

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Speaker 2: the end in that sense, you do, really, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to tell you, it does take a little bit of

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Speaker 2: time to come back. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And of course that's changed. I understand now you can

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Speaker 1: There's a part of me that wants him if it

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Speaker 1: comes down to them too. What a great storyline, What

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Speaker 1: was like, stop, stop, stop, I've been in Trader this

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine?

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Speaker 2: And then they get married and have four beautiful girls

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Speaker 2: if that ever happens? That could happen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think it happened in season one, right, didn't.

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Speaker 2: They Somebody dismissed himself. Yeah, yeah, he said, I'm going

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Speaker 1: Yeah listen. If I'm Rob's publicist, I'm thinking, hey, listen, split.

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Speaker 1: You know, winning one hundred and eighty thousand dollars, that's

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Speaker 1: great money or whatever it is. But having the admiration

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Speaker 2: And the other like if he's like his publicist isn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I said, I think the walls are

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Speaker 1: it does make sense Rob has kept her around because

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Speaker 2: Far this season or collectively this season. I think, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you I've been dming Natalie. I

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Speaker 2: at this round table. Yeah, when she said it could

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Speaker 2: quote unquote on a sword for somebody who I've been

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Speaker 2: here is because of him, and you're going to back

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Speaker 2: someone apologizes to you for something they've done wrong or

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Speaker 2: took that away from him. Natalie is a badass. I

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Speaker 2: But I loved when Mark through the through the chalkboard

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so intense it was. It was such a good

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Speaker 1: Ever, it's a little laissez fair like when he's just

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Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is that Candice throwing

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, wells because by now people should know that

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Speaker 2: And by now Natalie was right, she studied these shows

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Speaker 1: The problem that Natalie has is that Rob's has held

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Speaker 2: Well, she knew it was the total. It was like

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Speaker 2: the such betrayal and the fact that he's She's the

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Speaker 2: She had it and she lost it to him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because she don't know how to lie. Yeah, well, look

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Speaker 1: But listen, Rob, I guess convinces everyone, or Nally doesn't

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Speaker 1: Everyone votes for Natalie except for Natalie, who votes for Tara, who.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like that was just a I'm voting

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Speaker 2: You know what, she was going down and she was

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Speaker 2: just like, I have nothing to lose with who I

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Speaker 2: vote at Tara. Yeah, and I get that because she

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was a great round table

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Speaker 2: Even in his confessionals. He's like, Kansas came from me

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Speaker 1: You know, what did you think about him being so upset?

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Speaker 1: Like it's one thing to be kind of like the

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Speaker 1: to do? Do you think that was bad acting? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that was him being like him being a brat? Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think that was?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you exactly what it was. He's not acting really.

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Speaker 2: He was worried about the he's thinking he's going to

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Speaker 2: And that little nasty little thing there that I noticed, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little chink in the armor for shure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was talking with my friend Brandy about it, and

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Speaker 1: am I not surprised that the really, really good looking

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Speaker 2: That's because it's not his first rodeo with gaslighting. Maybe. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think Brandy's had her share of gaslighting if she

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna call it a hunch, but I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's read this book.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Rob, I mean we can't make you know. We

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Speaker 2: gotta tell you talk about what we see. We're telling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you seem like a lovely guy, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like I saw maybe a little bit more

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Speaker 2: But maybe it's just like when I thought you were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You can't judge a book by them being

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Speaker 2: in the elevator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after Natalie gets banished, you said, you said it

436
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: best taking the power away from Johnny to say I'm sorry.

437
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: It was amazing her getting up there in the circle

438
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: and being like, I'm a faithful But then also, you know,

439
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: it's what I loved about her speech was it's it's

440
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: very obvious that Natalie is strong physically, like she is

441
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: in insane and also I think that like she is

442
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: a strong woman, and and she's you know a game,

443
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: been on Survivor and all that, you know, all this stuff, smart,

444
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: super smart, but she has this moment where she's just

445
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: like she shows the vulnerable side of herself of like

446
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: I let you guys in a little too much. I

447
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: try to be the strong one and some you know,

448
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: like whatever.

449
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: She let her guard down is how she explained it,

450
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: and that speaks a lot to her life. Like you

451
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: can only imagine her saying, you know, you learn a

452
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: lot about people in this castle and in this game,

453
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Speaker 2: even as a spectator. So I'm going to say that

454
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: Natalie always hasn't had it maybe so easy, right, Yeah,

455
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: because I see a little bit of myself and her

456
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: and I see and I understand when she says, people

457
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: think I'm so hard because I have always had to

458
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: be so strong or I've tried to be so strong

459
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: for everyone my whole life or myself, and I don't

460
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: typically let my guard down. And she's like, but I

461
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: have feelings, you know, And I think that her hurt

462
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: feelings showed off as anger at that round table. Yeah,

463
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: I agree with every way she felt.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I'm not sure if I I'm

465
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: not sure if I was or wasn't a fan of

466
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Natalie up until this episode, but I left it being like, yeah,

467
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: I like her, she's a bad.

468
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: Bitch, and I commenting on her thing. You should go

469
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: comment if that's how you feel about her. Let her

470
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: needs the support right now.

471
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I will. I'm not even sure if I follow her,

472
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: but I'll do that tonight. And then I loved that

473
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm a faithful and then she turns

474
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: around and walks out and says, good job guys, which

475
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: is like the dagger twisted like and.

476
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: That's when Mark flips so dramatically fixed it. He didn't

477
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: want to vote for her, Why did he? Why did

478
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: he change? And Tara and Johnny, why did you not

479
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: stand behind her? You would have got.

480
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: Out the biggest contrader in history. This would have changed

481
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: the whole trajectory of what this whole season was about.

482
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 3: It was right there, and it just goes to show

483
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: you were always one decision away from a whole different life.

484
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, from success or failure.

485
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: I suppose. Isn't it crazy? This game is so good.

486
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say anymore, and I'm

487
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: learning more how to play. But she went in this

488
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: game knowing how to play it.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, after that roundtable's over, Tara starts

490
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: crying and into Mark's arms. Are you playing the smallest

491
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: violin ever for her? Because she went against Like.

492
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Speaker 2: You know, I get very uncomfortable with those type of things. Yeah,

493
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: it was so uncomfortable for me. I think the guttural

494
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: crying yeah, and him saying it's okay, I can't even

495
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: talk about it.

496
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

497
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: Never, well never never.

498
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: Alan rings the bell and everyone gathers in front of

499
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: the castle by a single coffin, and we, of course

500
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: are left on a cliffhanger. Of all the people available

501
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: to be murdered, who do you think is next to go? Well?

502
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: If more goes, I will be so happy for her

503
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: because she will have been right for the first time. Y. Yes,

504
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if she picked a trader in the past,

505
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: but she's like, I'm definitely going, I'm going, it's definitely me.

506
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: It's definitely me. How did she know? Did somebody tip

507
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: her off?

508
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: You want to know what I think, because I think

509
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: that More is a lot smarter than we're giving your

510
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: credit for or we're seeing on the show. But I

511
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: think that when she sat down at that breakfast table

512
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: that earlier that morning and told Rob, you know, like,

513
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: if if you're a trader, like it's going to follow,

514
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: it's going to break me, right.

515
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: But I do listen, I know, I mean it was

516
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: it was with Danielle, like the after let me explain

517
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: to you, my vote for Brittany was very easy after

518
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: getting stabbed in the back by Danielle. Yeah.

519
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I just wonder, if you know, Moura, she

520
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: says that in the morning, they all vote wrong, they

521
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: go after Natalie, and I wonder if she's sitting there thinking, Okay,

522
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: we were wrong about Natalie. Maybe Natalie was right about Rob,

523
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: and I would assume that Rob would get rid of

524
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: me now because he knows how much it would break

525
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: me to be at the end with him. I wonder

526
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: if that's what she's thinking.

527
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: It's a very deep thought. Yeah, And I have to

528
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I don't think it goes that deep.

529
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you do. But do you think it's Moura

530
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: or do you think it's something moa.

531
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: I think it's Moura, and I think more just has

532
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 2: a feeling. But I don't think that she's going as

533
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: far as to say he's saving me by killing me.

534
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Do you think? Okay, So let's get into the mindset

535
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: of why Rob would want to kill Maura, because Moura

536
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: is team Rob, right, Like, I feel like he thinks

537
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: he can manipul late her and kind of like ride

538
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: her to.

539
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't need.

540
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: To be you know, at to be there at the end.

541
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: So so then is it getting rid of Maura gives

542
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: him plausible deniability that of course it's not me because

543
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I would never have gotten rid of the girl. That

544
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: I might be having a show man swift, but obviously

545
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: I have been very close to.

546
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: No, he's thinking like a trader. Yeah, that's for sure.

547
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: He's getting rid of her because he would say why

548
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: would I get rid of my you know, my person for.

549
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: Me if I were them, there's a world in which

550
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting rid of either Johnny or Tara because they

551
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: vote in lockstep, so they're effectively a vote in a doubt.

552
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: It's the numbers vote.

553
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of want to split them apart.

554
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm probably going after because she's kind of said, I

555
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be here anymore. I think that there

556
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: is still a suspicion on Johnny. I think that people.

557
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: Want to keep Johnny. Then you want to keep Johnny

558
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 2: for the shield.

559
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's so you think Maura. I think I think Tara.

560
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: I think I think Maura because the heat is on Rob. Yeah,

561
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: because you know, after somebody leaves, when it's between the two,

562
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: the next person they're looking at is Rob. And it

563
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: was and Natalie made a lot of sense as to

564
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: why it was robbed, right, But she spent more time

565
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: at that table being mad at Tara than putting the

566
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: nail in the coffin for Rob, which I didn't agree with,

567
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: but she was blindsided.

568
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, she spent too much of that the

569
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: equity of that time on being angry at Tara and

570
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: not at the Pride, which was figuring out a way

571
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: to convince everyone that Rob was, in fact and is

572
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: a trader. What do you think is going to happen

573
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: at the end.

574
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Rob's too good to lose,

575
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: so I.

576
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: Feel, Yeah, I've been saying this. I think from the beginning,

577
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I think the Traders are going to win this one,

578
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: which I think is fun.

579
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: TV say that in the beginning.

580
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if both Rob and Eric

581
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: are still there at the end. I don't think.

582
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: I think the I think he's gonna use Eric. I

583
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: think Eric's gonna, yeah, somehow get voted out and he

584
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: I finds him going around the fire pit with the

585
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: last two people maybe and he gets rid of them

586
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: both and he wins. That's what I That's what I say.

587
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Well, we shall see only one more episode left of

588
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: season four of The Trade or this one has been

589
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: a banger of a season, and of course we have

590
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: the reunion, which I've been gone the past couple of episodes.

591
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: But like there's a lot of things coming out about

592
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: the reunion.

593
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: There's some housewives. Housewives make a good reunion.

594
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: It sounds very dramatic, if the reports are true. Especially

595
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: so this is what I heard, and I don't know

596
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: if it's true or not, but what I heard was

597
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: is that Lisa goes after Colton. Colton leaves and then

598
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: doesn't want to come back on the show, but comes back,

599
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: but then they'd never talk about whatever Lisa got upset

600
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: with him about. I'm interested to see if that is

601
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: true or if that's all just internet fodder.

602
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well, what we are going to say.

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Speaker 1: We are thank you all for listening to another episode

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00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: of By Order of the Faithfuls. If you're not following

605
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: us on social media, please do act by Order of

606
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: the Faithfuls on Instagram, DMS any questions concerns you have there.

607
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: We are going to be talking looking to Natalie. Natalie

608
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: is going to be coming on the show. That is

609
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: going to be fun. We're really going to get the

610
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: scoop about how that last roundtable really went down, and

611
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: maybe I'll maybe get a little bit of a tease

612
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: for what's going to happen.

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00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: Natalie is a good girl.

614
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: She is I I like her a lot. I'm gonna

615
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: go follow her and give her a.

616
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, give her some support. I gave her some love

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Speaker 2: today cool.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Dolores. As always, it's lovely to see you. You

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Speaker 1: look fantastic and I can't wait to see you again

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00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: very very soon for another episode of By Order of

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Speaker 1: the Faithfuls.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. Bye guys, Bye,