WEBVTT - How Hate Works 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.920 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.400 from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.320 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is always a 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.599 chipper and cheerful Charles W. Chuck Bryant Man, I'm going 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:29.639 ten different directions, buddy. Yeah, I'm a little screwy, are you. Yeah, 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.880 we'll focus on this one. Okay, okay, because we're going 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.479 on in one direction, and that's hate. I hate to focus. Okay. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.599 You hate broccoli. I do hate broccoli, and you know that. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.280 I also hate peas, like split peas. I remember declaring 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.720 um as a child that peas are some of my 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.360 most hated enemies. I think a lot of kids don't 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.400 like peas because they're mushy. Yeah. Well that's the problem 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.360 with all vegetables. Really, they're mushy, they're overcooked if you 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.000 cook something. No, I've had pretty nasty broccoli. But broccoli, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.760 it's all that's separate. It's just disgusting in every single way. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.080 But cream spinach, I love that. It's awesome. Yeah, that's 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.000 good stuff. You and I shared a cream spinach at 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.720 Morton steak. That's recently two ladies. Yeah, it was something 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.360 we couldn't even finish. It was so rich. It was 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.360 really good, So Chuck, we don't hate cream spinach, I 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.600 hate broccoli and um. One of the things I hate 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.600 more than anything else is not having an intro, which 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:30.920 I don't because I was looking online and strangely they're 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.880 The online world is a repository for hate in a 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.440 certain way, as in like, um, neo Nazi punk bands 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:45.600 not huh, this article calls it pop music pop music, yeah, um, 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.720 or you know Facebook groups dedicated to hate, like you know, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.240 Holocaust denial and that kind of stuff. Sure, Um, but 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.680 this word is so ubiquitous in our culture that there 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.440 was nothing there. Like I found a guy um and 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.480 dairy and mass who was accused of hate crime. Um, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.520 everybody wants to know why, um, Cleveland fans hate Lebron. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.800 I can answer that. But I mean, like, we throw 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.520 this word around like the you know, some reality TV 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.200 series was the show you love to hate? Right? Um. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.320 We we use this word a lot. But yeah, I 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.520 found a study out of the University of Texas that 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.320 that asked people how often they hated and um, nobody 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.680 said every day. It's not an everyday thing. So like 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.640 we we hate things mc brockley, but we also realized 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:42.280 that there's a real distinction between hating something and experiencing 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.800 actual hate. You hit it on the head, and this 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.880 is a pretty old distinction, right, Like, like philosophers have 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.320 have been aware of this before. I think Aristotle was 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.120 pretty sure he hated peas, but he really hated him Lock. Yeah. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.840 He and he's not Webster, so I will read his 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.600 definition because he's Aristotle. Uh. He said it was a 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.320 dislike for someone based on our negative perception of that 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.040 person's nature. That is so intense that whoever feels it 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.080 wants to cause real harm to another, Like I really 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.280 want to harm you. Yeah, so that's the difference, Like Pete, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.240 like you said, people throw that word around. I hate broccoli, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.960 but you're not gonna go out and try and burn 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:27.359 down broccoli farms. No, I know that's silly. I'm not 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:31.920 gonna go burn down Cubby BROCCOLI's family's broccoli farm. It 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.440 was used to fund the James Bond movies. But Josh, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.560 I think, and this is me surmising in my own 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.040 personal purview, I think there are kind of two types 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.240 of hate, well three types really. Then one type that 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.040 you just throw the word around like I hate that show, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.440 I hate broccoli. One that is real hate, which I 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.040 think is fear based when you don't know someone personally 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:56.640 or a group personally, where you hate a group of people. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.800 And then there's like the anger retribution based hate, like 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.600 someone personally has wronged you so badly that you hate 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.600 them and and cause and either want to cause or 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.480 which ill upon them. Right, Well, you just brought up 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.080 a huge can of worms by using the word anger. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.960 Like there's a real debate over whether hate and anger 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.600 are the same thing, right, right, They say they're not. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.120 It depends on who you talk to. But the people 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.320 who say they're not say things like UM, hate is 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:33.760 brought on by humiliation or ill treatment or being devalued. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.320 Where anger is brought on when you're when you're treated 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.160 UM in a way that you consider unfairly. Right, right, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:48.240 anger is the result of UM not having any recourse. Right, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.360 frustration perhaps coupled with that right and that that kind 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.920 of dances along the border because people who hate, you know, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.599 other groups often are frustrated. Like when we talked about 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.719 the fast sism in the fascism podcast Getting Um Getting 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.039 groups all riled up against a scapegoat is one of 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.160 the tenets of fascism, right, And so these people are 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.240 frustrated at their lot in life, their unemployments high because 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.560 of the Jews or something like that, Right, But really 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:22.480 they're not. They're they're angry about their job while they 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.599 hate the Jews. So the two are really intertwined. But 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.680 there's a lot of people think if you look at 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.279 them deeply enough, they're not one and the same. Well, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:31.599 I think a lot of times that kind of hate 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:36.320 is displaced anger and frustration at your own you know. Yeah, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.680 but there is there is also a very um strong 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.880 physiological basis to it as well. I mean, it's an 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.400 emotion supposedly, although it's not one of the basic emotions. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:53.000 Anger is Yeah, what are the basic emotions? Anger? Joy, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:06:01.720 fear discussed and peckishness. I thought it was joy, pain, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:07.360 sunshine and rain. No is that Rob bass No? I 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.400 can't remember. I could sing it, but I can't remember 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.799 sing it. No, no, no, I think it's Rob Basse. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.880 No it was it was a duo. Oh no, no, 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.360 I'm thinking of uh, I want money, lots and lots 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.800 of money. That was a duo to be rich. Remember 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.280 that stupid song? Yeah, kind of. They wrote a song 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.080 about being rich. Oh yeah, how great it was, and 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.880 that was their only song. So unless they were already 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:33.680 rich than they never were from that song that makes sense. Yeah, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.680 it does just blew my mind, buddy. So do you 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.039 hate that song? Uh? I do now because it's in 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.400 my head. So, Chuck, what is this um physiological basis 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.200 of anger? Well, it's pointed out in the article within 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.680 an Iron Maiden song, which I thought was an odd choice. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.440 There's a thin line between love and hate. Yeah, It's 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.760 like there's a whole other song called There's a thin 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.120 Line between Love and Hate. Well, there's a much more 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.960 popular song, I think, the Persuaders, which was It's a 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.800 thin line between Love and hate, the old Motown song. Right. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.920 Have you ever heard the Pretender's version of it? No, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.160 it's hands down the greatest version ever. Really is a 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.760 thin yea between love and Hey, the Pretenders covered the 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.440 Persuaders and yep, all right, I'm telling you all right. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.800 So apparently Iron Maiden actually listen to that song on 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.760 YouTube the other day and it's a it's an Iron 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.760 Maiden song. Yeah, now I looked it up to make 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.440 sure that Iron maidenheading covered the persuaders, and uh no, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.000 Bruce Dickinson came up with his own lyrics, his own version. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.320 He's like, that one's fine. I'm doing this one. That's right. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.880 So the point of all this, Josh, is that there 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:42.880 is a thin line between love and hate as far 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.960 as uh the brain goes. Because um, in two thousand 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.440 and eight, there was a study at the University College 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.120 of London and that's in the UK, and um, they 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.520 got seventeen people, not very wide ranging. I had a 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.360 lot of problems with this study, but they got seventeen 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.440 people who say they hated someone else. Maybe that's why 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.360 they maybe have a hard time finding someone who hates 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.160 someone else. Maybe not because I don't hate anyone. I 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.600 was about to ask you that. Well, we'll get to 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.320 the personal stuff in a minute. So this study, what 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.920 they did was they found seventeen people who hated someone else, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.080 threw them under the old wonder machine and looked showed 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.960 him pictures of the people they hated. Which is so 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.680 funny to record the results. I guess they're like, you 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.360 need to bring pictures of people you hate. For the study, Yeah, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:31.960 they could have just said think of the person you hate, 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.320 I think, and it would achieve the same goal, I guess. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.040 So anyway, they what they found out was that a 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.560 couple of regions in the brain there's like a hate circuit. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:46.240 They call it there the pudament okay, and the Jerry 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:51.440 laughed at that, and the insular cortex in both fired 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.520 up with pictures of people that they hated, right, And 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.560 the significance of this is that both of those regions 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.600 also fire up when you see picture or think about 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.080 someone you love, which is the longest way to say. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.200 It's a thin line between Lemon hates, right, and I 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.640 think everybody kind of senses that. It's like um when 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:17.480 passions flaring are it's virtually the same thing. There are 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.400 two sides of one coin. In my opinion, if you 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.960 truly hate somebody, the real hate to fear is not 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.760 one where somebody's like, oh I hate you so much, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.360 you know, because that that can be turned. That means 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.200 that they have some sort of emotional connection to you. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.560 The one to be afraid of is the detached, calm, 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.600 cool kind of hatred, because that's the one where you 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.880 end up dead somewhere like I'm the Green River killer 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:51.200 and I hate prostitutes. Well, that brings up an interesting sidebar, right, Um, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:57.920 do serial killers hate their victims? No? End of sidebar. Well, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.160 they have long said that serial killers don't experience emotion 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.120 on that scale, but they're starting to uh to change 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.160 their thinking in certain cases because a lot of serial 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.800 killers suffer from antisocial personality disorder, and people who suffer 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.840 from that experience a range of emotions. So it's not 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.679 always I think it's it's both. You know that not 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.960 you can't say every serial killer it's the same. Well, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.920 they've been saying that for a long time. They've been 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.080 trying to find the threads that connect them. And I 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.360 told you about the sociologist I talked to. He was 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.559 just really up in arms that psychology has spent for 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.640 decades or so looking at serial killers and investing come 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.840 up with his anti personal any social personality disorder. He's like, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.760 of course they have a personality disorder, they're serial killers. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.800 That's a good point. So back to that study though, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.880 about the brain and the difference between love and hate, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.440 and they did see, um, a difference, a key difference 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.000 because the areas of the frontal cortex associated with judgment 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:59.559 and critical thinking become less active when you see someone 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.000 you love of on the f m R I machine, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.520 But when you saw someone you hate, most of your 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:11.280 frontal cortex cortex cortex is active, remains active. Yeah, so 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.520 that's a big difference. But that makes sense as well, Chuck, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.360 because I mean, if you see I know, you don't 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.560 hate anybody, so you wouldn't understand this. But when you 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.000 see someone you hate, you just like it's a personality, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.320 you just you you you tend to criticize them in 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.840 your head, like, oh, you're wearing that sweater today. You 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.080 look so fat and stupid in that sweater. I hope 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.760 you somehow get did you strangle yourself on that sweater? Yeah? 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:37.520 So the point is that it takes like hatred is 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.280 an active thing. It's an active rumination on this. It's 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.120 not a knee jerk thing like when you might see 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.240 a picture of someone you love. All right, So that's interesting, right, 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.680 that's what that study came up with the set of 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.120 the seventeen people. Yeah, with the this Yeah, it couldn't 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.920 get you know. And the other problem is I'm sure 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:02.920 they were um weird western educated Uh deed something rich 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:08.880 and developed carrel, what the eye stands for? And what 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.280 would you just spell weird? It's basically like the idea 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.600 that all of these studies that cited are cited. A 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.400 lot of them are they're just college kids. So it's 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.960 like this really narrow niche of the human population that 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.319 they extrapolate onto good point and in this case they 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.480 just use seventeen of them. Well, we're here to report 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.800 it and then criticize it, and we're done. We did both, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.440 that's right. Uh. What what's the deal with like old hate? Though? 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.080 Like don't they have some inclination of like early hate 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.400 with Caveman and the like? Well, yeah, because parts of 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.680 the you know, the closer to the center or the 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.719 brain stem that you get in the brain, the more 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.160 ancient that part of the brain is. And if there's 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.480 a region like the pew tamin that's associated with a 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.800 certain thing e g. Hate, then that means that hate's 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.440 been around for a very long time because they are 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.240 part of the brain. Uh has been able to carry 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.240 out that function for this song or should ostensibly got 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.040 you right, but then it's also new with the prefrontal 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.440 cortex which is a fairly newer aspect. So maybe we 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.760 just hated, but we didn't criticize. We just hated. And 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.640 they think possibly that we developed hate as a species 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:30.160 or a capacity to hate as a survival mechanism way 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.920 back in hunter gatherer days, where we could feel justified 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:40.760 by say, taking food from another group because we hated them, 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:45.800 which I actually found pretty that's a pretty inspiring idea. Yeah, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.560 that you had to work up hate enough to go 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.320 in pillage. I think that's kind of neat because it 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:56.720 makes it seem like we aren't naturally hateful beings, and 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.480 I don't think we are. I believe everybody had hate, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.200 and everyone has a vast capacity to hate, but I 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.000 don't I wouldn't characterize this as generally hateful. That's good. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.920 I'm kind of surprised to hear you say that that's 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.280 true though. Alright, So, uh, it's in the Bible, Josh, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.800 It's an ancient text all over the place. Hate's been 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.480 around a long time. M Right. We canna talk about Carthage, Yeah, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.920 because I know you love this. The Carthaginian general, Hannibal Carthaginian, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:33.640 and you gotta stop that Hannibal pledged to his father, Dad, 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.680 I hate Rome, I hate Romans. I don't like the Italians. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.320 I hate them forever, and I will swear retribution because 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.800 they have seized our provinces. He said, father, yes, son, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.840 I'm going to kill the Romans. And he did. He 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.080 made good on that, invaded Italy and did quite a 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.400 bit of damage. Of course, the Romans fired back because 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.720 they hate the Carthage. Why can't say that word? They 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:01.840 hated people from Carthage, the Carthagenians, and in one PC 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.000 they did some pretty bad things like burning them in 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.720 their houses while they screamed. But does that hate, like, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.840 I don't know, And that's a I think that's an 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.120 issue that I have um here there with this is 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.400 that there? That's kind of a jump to conclusion, Like 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.760 is it hate? I don't know. It does hate form 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.280 the basis for war or horrible acts in war? Well, 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.880 I don't know, because it's it's condemned pretty much in 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.120 like the New Testament in the Bible, it's condemned in 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:37.280 the Koran. Uh, let not hatred of the people incite 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.400 you not to act equitably, And in uh Medieval and 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.560 Renaissance Europe you came up in you but in Italy 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.800 they came up with the vendetta, which is uh, very 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.000 much retribution for the hatred. There you go, I I 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.080 let's see, that's what I'm saying. Like I think, let's 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.320 say a Roman soldier comes to your town while you're 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:04.320 away using the the latrine pit that your village has dug, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.640 and they burn your family alive in your house while 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.080 you're using the bathroom. And you come back and you 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.600 see the Roman legions going away and your family is dead, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:19.120 burned the crisps. Right. Um. I don't think the Romans 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:24.640 necessarily felt hatred to commit that act, but that act 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.240 would incite hatred in the person that it befell. So 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.120 I think of vendetta is an excellent example of hatred 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.720 because somebody done, you're wrong and you're gonna get back 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.200 at them, or they did something to your father or 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.400 something you The vendetta is very long lasting from what 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.640 I understand. Yeah, and it's not I mean, this is 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.280 obviously we're talking about mafia vendetta's and war vendetta's, but 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.680 it can happen on a smaller level. You might not 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.160 think of it as vendetta though, but if someone done 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.840 you really wrong, and you're like, I'm gonna get that 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.600 person back by doing this and six months and they 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.200 least expected that's a vendetta. But you you don't call 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.280 it a vendetta. It's just uh, well in in Italy, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.400 they it's just come up it, sir, Um, I'm gonna 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.480 get you suck a bad people do that though. There 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.159 was a word for it though in medieval and Renaissance Europe, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.359 in the Messiah, which is Latin for un friendship, it 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.600 was a legal term for hating somebody. Okay, so what 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.440 we've done is established that hatred is definitely a thing 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.000 that's been around a long time. Is that what we've done? Yeah, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.440 and chuck, of course it's still around, um in recent 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.760 modern history. There's other examples that we could go into, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:48.520 like hate groups. Yeah, well, let's talk about the Nazis 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.600 real quick, because again we talked about fascism and one 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:56.720 of the tenets of it being, um, I guess, inciting 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.520 other group to hate. Yeah, group hate. That's that's where 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.520 we are for sure. And a lot of that that 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.200 gave a lot of a body of data for people 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.360 to study and that they're still studying. But um, one 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.399 guy in particular named Martin Oppenheimer, is a sociologist from 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:17.520 Rutgers University. UM. It was basically said, like, look, the 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.320 Nazis are proof positive that you can number one, get 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.640 an entire group to hate another group, and that you 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:31.240 do this by um identifying and exploiting the group that 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:36.480 you're with their frustrations, say unemployment, joblessness, and then basically saying, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.239 those are the people who are at fault. That's how 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.360 you store the pot exactly. That's how you incite hatred, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:44.280 which is gotta be one of the worst things you 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.000 can do. One of the worst non violent acts I 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.720 think a person commit is insite hatred, you know. Yeah. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.240 And also I thought what came to mind to me 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.959 when I was reading this was some of these same tactics, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:00.439 like a marginalized people, people who are in a cure, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.960 who are seeking safety somewhere. It's also the kind of 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.480 the same thing they do with the cults and the brainwashing. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.800 They're seeking out these same types of people and saying, hey, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.199 you feel marginalized, you feel like you're not loved, you 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.160 need a safe haven. But they're not saying go hate 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.840 someone else. They're saying, just come and be with our group, well, 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.600 our our association of like in group and out group 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.959 is like this emotional psychological razor blade that can be 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.320 exploited in any number of ways exactly, you know, but 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.600 it's always a marginalized people. It seems like yeah, yeah, 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.880 or there, But you mean the people who are stirred, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.439 who have hatred stirred up in them. Yeah, or go 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.800 join a cult or something like that. Yeah, you mean teenagers? 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.399 And uh, well, at Stanford study in two thousand and 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.679 ten basically said hey, if you want to um teach 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.760 teenagers to hate, here's how you do it. You can't 0:19:54.840 --> 0:20:00.600 just overtly say go hate this group, you know, hate Muslims, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:05.480 hate black people, hate Jewish people, hate gays. You can't 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.040 just say that it's not good enough. But if you 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:13.959 tell a story that basically implies this is these are 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.399 people you should hate and here's why, right, like um, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.800 homosexuals or Petter asks, and so you know you can't 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.760 let them into certain groups, and by the way, you 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:30.280 should hate them because of the story. Right then I 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.760 think that I had a problem with that one because 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.080 it was like, that's true for everything. If you tell 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.440 the story, it's gonna hit home or personally to somebody. Yeah, 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.720 you can't say, hey, go love uh Sea Biscuit because 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.119 he ran a horse race that was pretty neat. But 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.359 if you tell the story of Sea Biscuit all of 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.720 a sudden, you're gonna leave that thing going. Man, I'm 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.359 getting my butt to the Kentucky Derby next year because 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.160 I love me some horse racing. I love Sea Biscuit. 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.359 See he saw the movie, right, No, I didn't um 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.080 the But the funny thing is is that that whole 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.560 that study made the careers of two Stanford researchers so right. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.719 But they do have a point because they point out 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.080 in this article, or they don't, but we do. Um. 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:16.160 D W. Griffith's awful um movie awful on content. Birth 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.280 of a Nation from nineteen fifteen. It's no Sea Biscuit. 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.480 It's no Sea Biscuit, but it did a really good 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:25.399 job of getting people to hate black people in the 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.160 United States. Yeah, doesn't it feature like the Well, since 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.240 it was nineteen fifteen, it's like the first and everything. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.560 But it's like the first on screen rape uh or 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.320 implied rape. There was a rape of a white woman 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.200 by like an escaped slave I think by a white 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.520 actor in black Face of course at the time, and um, 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.080 it was a big, huge movie. It grows ten million 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:53.280 dollars in nineteen fifteen. That's two hundred million. That's two 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.679 sixteen million dollars today, is what grows. Yeah. And it 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.960 was based on a play, Yeah, it is. This based 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.080 on a play in a book called The Klansman. And 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.760 d W. Griffith felt so bad about this afterward that 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.520 he made a follow up film that you're called Intolerance, 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.399 which was a three hour silent film meditation on uh 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:20.320 four parallel stories of man's intolerance throughout history. Oh. I 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.159 didn't know he did that. That's good, Yeah, because I 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:25.840 want to like d W. Griffith. Yeah, I mean, he 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:30.600 didn't write Birth of the Nation, so he directed it. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.040 Not like getting him off the hook or anything, but 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:34.800 I think at the time he was just trying to 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.840 make a movie that sold lot of tickets and that 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.440 was the way to do it. Yeah, that's the way 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.320 to do it. And then the Nazi of course, anyone 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:48.560 who saw Inglorious Bastards knows that Gebel's, Joseph Gebel's was 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.880 in charge of, you know, the propaganda department with feature films, 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.480 and they had one called Judd Seuss. Is it Judd 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.000 or you'd probably it'd be you'd seous. So you're the 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.200 one who speaks to German. And how did you say 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.520 Judd Seuss? I don't know. I was concentrating on the 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:08.840 umlaut part and that's just okay. So yeah, but that 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.960 featured a main character, a Jewish main character who was 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.320 shunned by a gentile woman and so he raped her, 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.800 among other things, and it was required viewing for the Stormtroopers. 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.400 They loved it. And then they give him crystal meth. 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.320 Really yeah, from what I understand, that will do it. Um. 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.720 And that didn't just go out with the Nazis. UM 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.280 media has been playing like more and more of a 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:41.440 role UM among I guess hate groups tred as a 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:46.960 as a concept and as a practice, right yeah, because um, 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:51.680 I think in the nineties, Uh, Bosnian Serb TV showed 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.479 UM something that's kind of referred to now as like 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:59.840 a basically hate mongering UM series called Genocide that stir 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:07.199