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Speaker 1: question today before we dive into things. Yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: Lakers playing the Warriors tonight, we were debated on the

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Speaker 1: cyberc glass who do you got coming out of the West,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers or the Field And the problem is we

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Speaker 1: couldn't come up with another team that was going to

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Speaker 1: win the West, So some of us are leaning Lakers

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Speaker 1: over the field. Anybody take the field here, Seaton Wood, Okay,

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Speaker 1: are you basing that off of the Lakers not being

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Speaker 1: healthy or just somebody is going to be better than

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Speaker 1: the Lakers. I just think that if there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of one off games, maybe there's a chance there that

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Speaker 1: they lose. Oh well, then they'd have to lose tonight

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Speaker 1: and then they'd have to lose their next game. Yes, McLeman.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem is historically we're not comfortable picking

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Speaker 1: these other teams, Like it feels weird to say that

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Speaker 1: Jazz are going to be the team, or the Clippers

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Speaker 1: are going to be the team. Nothing based on this year,

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Speaker 1: because I mean a lot of us haven't studied how

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Speaker 1: these teams are playing right now. It just feels hard

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Speaker 1: to pick the Nuggets or the Jazz or the Clippers. Well,

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Speaker 1: we assume if the Lakers are healthy, then they're going

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Speaker 1: to play for the NBA front or the championship again,

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Speaker 1: and we assume if the Nets are healthy, then they're

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Speaker 1: there are those deeply ingrained sort of historical things or

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Speaker 1: the NBA. It's kind of hard to tell because we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen these teams. Well, we're basing this off of

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Speaker 1: the talent the Nets have, and we're basing it off

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Speaker 1: the talent that the Lakers have. They have I won't

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Speaker 1: say proven players. I mean, Kyrie did win a championship

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Speaker 1: James Harden hasn't done anything, and we know Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: has won titles before. Yeah, Seed. I think part of

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Speaker 1: They're not winning this, yeah, but I think that these

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Speaker 1: We win this game tonight against Golden State, and then

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Speaker 1: a good chance the Lakers Warriors matchup tonight will be

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Speaker 1: the most star studded play in game in NBA history,

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Speaker 1: even if the play in tournament is adapted on a

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Speaker 1: have a matchup where you have rivals Lebron versus Steph,

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Speaker 1: two of the greatest players, two of the top ten

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Speaker 1: they've won six MVPs between them. They've combined to win

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Speaker 1: Steph made a great case for MVP this season, leading

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Speaker 1: that one of these teams has to lose. But whoever

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Speaker 1: the Grizzlies in the Spurs. Whatever happens, we're witnessing play

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Speaker 1: be saying about the NBA. It'll be fun tonight. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't fun last night. How do the Hornets in a

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Speaker 1: you to the test. Name me four pacers. Name three pacers. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know those in Indiana. Now I'm talking about nationally.

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Speaker 1: Give me three pacers who play now they lost Victor

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Speaker 1: Oladipo exactly. Oh, you might get Malcolm Brogden in there,

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Speaker 1: Deamonte Sabonis, But there are other players who are on

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Speaker 1: but that's what's pretty amazing, and maybe the best player

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Speaker 1: I had his name. I remember. It's only appropriate that

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Speaker 1: hour ago where mclovin goes, you know who their best

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Speaker 1: player is, and nobody knows, and then you told us,

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Speaker 1: I never heard of him until last night. I guess

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Speaker 1: he's a player. I guess he's good. I feel done that.

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Speaker 1: But he's some kid out of Syracuse, an undrafted player

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Speaker 1: named O shaper Sette, who feel then took the Carross

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Speaker 1: Isn't there a hockey player named O'she or O'shee? That's

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Speaker 1: so oj Preshet watch out? And then isn't ice Cube's

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Speaker 1: name o'she? Yeah? Oh Jackson. I honestly I turned it

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Speaker 1: that guy's played for the horder. Yeah. Yeah. The Celtics

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Speaker 1: it feel like he's about twenty seven. Jason Tatum's twenty three,

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Speaker 1: and every time he puts up one of these games,

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Speaker 1: a star. No, I think he's a star. He's been

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Speaker 1: in the league for four years. It's just this team

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Speaker 1: underachieved this year and without Jalen Brown. Now they got

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Speaker 1: the Nets coming up, but the Hornets allowed one hundred

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Speaker 1: and East coast people. If that game La, you're fine.

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Speaker 1: West Coast, you're fine. If that game started at nine thirty,

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Speaker 1: you might stay up and start watching ten. That's like

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Speaker 1: when something costs two dollars as opposed to one ninety

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Speaker 1: nine dollars. Ninety nine, yeah, two dollars. In no way.

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Speaker 1: If it was like nine thirty, you'd go, all right,

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Speaker 1: let me, let me just start watching. There's a better

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Speaker 1: chance you start watching at nine thirty and stay with it,

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Speaker 1: then tuning in at ten o'clock because it's you start

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Speaker 1: to do the math when you go, okay, if I

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Speaker 1: wake up? And you do the math, and it's I

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Speaker 1: gotta go to bed. Yeah, pub right, you start thinking yourself, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if this is a really good game, I'm not turning

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Speaker 1: it off. So I'm looking at twelve fifteen, twelve thirty

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Speaker 1: The Clippers did not want any part of the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Does Tim have a problem with the Clippers not wanting

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Speaker 1: any part of the Lakers. I don't think Denver wanted

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Speaker 1: the Lakers now because once they get rolling, I don't

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Speaker 1: want any part of that now. The only thing you

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Speaker 1: can bank on is if they're not healthy. But I'd

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Speaker 1: rather get them now. If I'm the Phoenix Suns or

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Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz, let's get him now. But the Clippers

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Speaker 1: wanted on the other side of the bracket, wanted no

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Speaker 1: part of them. But we'll talk to Legs about that

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Speaker 1: coming up, as as well other poll questions. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook didn't really play well last night. They play

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Speaker 1: the Pacers tomorrow night at APM. Is that sort of

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Speaker 1: a must win for Russell's legacy? Is that silly a

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Speaker 1: random wizard playing game as a must win? But are

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Speaker 1: we going to really view him differently if he goes

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Speaker 1: out of the play in tournament? No, no, okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna hold him accountable for not winning championships.

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Speaker 1: I think that we're looking at him being a statistical aberration,

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Speaker 1: statistical anomaly, and you go, this is incredible. I'll go

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Speaker 1: back to Oscar Robertson because Oscar won one title, and

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Speaker 1: he won that title with lu Alcindor in Milwaukee. That

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Speaker 1: was the only one he ever had. Russ is not

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Speaker 1: going to win a title unless he is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Oscar Robertson, people say, oh, triple double guy. And if

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Speaker 1: his time. He was incredible, great player individually, wonderful player

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Speaker 1: know if we're going to go yeah, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: of all time, all right, magic is there. Nobody's gonna

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Speaker 1: if you want to put Isaiah in there, John Stockton, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah won titles. Stockton did not, Steve Nash did not

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Speaker 1: whoever else you want on that list. You know, is

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Speaker 1: Steph really a point guard? Not really? But do you

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Speaker 1: want to put Russell Westbrook in there with John Stockton?

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Speaker 1: You can now John at least got to two NBA finals,

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Speaker 1: technically listed as a point guard. He's never led any team.

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Speaker 1: He's never been top ten in the league and assists

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Speaker 1: scoring a whole bunch of times. Because he's a little

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Speaker 1: play the game and completely differently than what you and

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Speaker 1: I would have thought of a traditional point guard played

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Speaker 1: the position like growing up. But yeah, Magic is the

424
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Speaker 1: greatest point guard of all time? Yes, definitely? Good question.

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Speaker 1: Second is oh my goodness. Second it starts to get

426
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Speaker 1: a little bit more debatable. Now, one of the guys

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Speaker 1: that I never got to see play. I don't know,

428
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Speaker 1: you know how much you know the film you've seen

429
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Speaker 1: on the guy, But Oscar Robertson, was he a point guard?

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Speaker 1: Because there are people that are gonna say he's the

431
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Speaker 1: great He's the second greatest point guard of all time?

432
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Speaker 1: Is it John Stockton? When you look at a guy

433
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Speaker 1: that's stepped the table for everybody and what he did

434
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Speaker 1: defensively too? Is John Stockton the second greatest point guard?

435
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Speaker 1: Is it Curry? I think Curry has played himself now

436
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: into that position. He will be labeled a point guard

437
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: historically forever. So is he? I think now it's it's

438
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: not out of the question. It's Steph Curry is in

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Speaker 1: that discussion, in that debate. And by the way, I

440
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people, Dan, I've debated this with.

441
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: You got fun game where you say, okay, let's draft

442
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you take five. I take five, one at a time,

443
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: and let's go play one game to win everything. Historically,

444
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: all the players that have ever played in the NBA.

445
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Speaker 1: If you tell me you got first pick and you're

446
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Speaker 1: taking Magic Johnson at point and I can't get him

447
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: and I take Steph Curry, I'll be okay with that decision.

448
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do pretty well in that game

449
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Speaker 1: with Steph Curry as my guy at the point. In

450
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Speaker 1: an all time game with ten guys. What about Isaiah Thomas. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas is in there as well. I think Isaiah

452
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Speaker 1: Thomas probably doesn't get as much credit as some of

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Speaker 1: the other guys, particularly some of the guys, the contemporary

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Speaker 1: guys now, because he wasn't really an explosive scorer unless

455
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Speaker 1: he absolutely had to be. And right now we're putting

456
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Speaker 1: such an emphasis on the three point shot and the

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Speaker 1: ipoppy scoring numbers that these point guards put up guys

458
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Speaker 1: like Lillard and Curry Westbrook a lot of nights that

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Speaker 1: we lose sight of what Isaiah Thomas was taught that

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Speaker 1: position was supposed to will look like. And any given night,

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Speaker 1: there's no question one NYE Isaiah Thomas could average twenty

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Speaker 1: five to thirty points if that's what he wanted to

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Speaker 1: do in a given season. He didn't view it that way.

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Speaker 1: That position and that team had great balance that he

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Speaker 1: played on. He's Tim Legler, ESPN NBA analyst. Did the

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Speaker 1: Clippers try to avoid the Lakers? Probably? And I think

467
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Speaker 1: that's what Sara lou was so testy about the question.

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Speaker 1: But do you have any problem with that? No, at an't.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it at all. It's

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you can't control it.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's not as if there are rules in

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Speaker 1: place to prevent it. There's nothing you can do about it,

473
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Speaker 1: just like load management, just like anything else. They want

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Speaker 1: guys to sit certain nights, they have criteria for it.

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Speaker 1: How are you supposed to prevent a team from saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, guys got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: tight handy tonight the growing last night he felt a

478
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Speaker 1: little twinge, we're gonna sit them out this game. You

479
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Speaker 1: can't prevent it. You can't call them liars. It's it's

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Speaker 1: something that is very difficult to prove. It won't show

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Speaker 1: up on an MRI. So you can stick guys out

482
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Speaker 1: when you want to. And what happens at the end

483
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Speaker 1: of the year. This is going on for a long time,

484
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: by the way, the manipulation of lineups at the end

485
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Speaker 1: of the season for a lot of different reasons. So no,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. The only problem

487
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Speaker 1: I have with it is what message does it send

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Speaker 1: to your team if that's what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: So internally, psychologically, I got a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: problem with it, because if you think you could win it,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't care who you play when you play them.

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Speaker 1: But no, I don't have a problem with it because

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Speaker 1: everyone around the league manipulates their lineups for different reasons. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 1: but I want the Lakers now, tim I just if

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Speaker 1: they start getting they start rolling, then I don't want

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Speaker 1: any part of that. If I'm the Sons, the Jazz,

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, let me take my shot now and see

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Speaker 1: if I can knock you out early, I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: And I use the analogy with the Lakers. They're a

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Speaker 1: prize fighter and you've got to come out and you've

501
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Speaker 1: got to catch them with a huge hooker and uppercut

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Speaker 1: in the first thirty into the fight, and if you

503
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: don't each round, they're going to get stronger, and that's

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00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Lakers. Look, they might

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Speaker 1: lose tonight, wouldn't shock me. You know, they haven't played

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Speaker 1: together a lot. Here at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Lebronod curries on fire Warriors are playing. Well. I'm not

508
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Speaker 1: gonna be shocked if the Lakers lose, but they're not

509
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Speaker 1: going to lose two games in a row. They're going

510
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Speaker 1: to get in and then they take a sigh of relief. Okay,

511
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: we dodged disaster. Now you got us in a seven

512
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: game series. Each game, each round, they get stronger, and

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Speaker 1: I expect them to be back in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird situation. They're going to come in as

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Speaker 1: a seven or eight seed and be favored immediately. That's

516
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: a very weird thing to happen in the NBA. That's

517
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Speaker 1: very unfortunate for utahur Phoenix to end up getting that team.

518
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: And when you had the year that you did as

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00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: a one or two seeds, who has a better chance

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00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: against the Lakers, the Clippers, the Jazz, the Nuggets, Suns.

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Speaker 1: I would have said, well, I would have said Denver,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how you overcome Jim Al Murray

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Speaker 1: not being there and as good as Michael Porter is

524
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and he's headed for stardom and he's been unbelievable really

525
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Speaker 1: the last couple months. Can he do that every night

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00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: against that team? So I don't think he's quite there yet.

527
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: For that, there'll be inconsistency there. You don't have Jamal Murray.

528
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: That's an impossible task. So I don't think it's Denver anymore.

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Speaker 1: I would probably say the Clippers. But there's a huge

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Speaker 1: caveat and it's on Paul Georgia's shoulders. There's a few

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Speaker 1: players going into this postseason dam with an enormous amount

532
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: of pressure on. Joannis has a lot of pressure on it.

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00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: I think Paul George is in that category. I think

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00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: James Harden is in that category. Those three guys probably

535
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Speaker 1: have more pressure on than anybody else in the postseason

536
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: because of some of their playoff failures. Paul George's seasons

537
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: typically end in a fiery crash where he doesn't play

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00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: well when they absolutely have to have him. In last

539
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: year's Game seven against Denver is another example of that.

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00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: And he had games like that in Oklahoma City. He

541
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Speaker 1: had a couple times like that in Indiana back and

542
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: look at the last game of Paul George's season, typically

543
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: not great. He's got to be big for them to

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Speaker 1: have a chance. But I do think probably the talent

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Speaker 1: of Kawai and Paul George gives them the best chance

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00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: against a d and Lebron. Any chance for the Celtics

547
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: against the Nets, I say, look, Jason Fatum's got to

548
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: be the best player on the floor in any night

549
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: in which they win. How much can you expect that

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00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: out of one guy when you're playing against the firepowered

551
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: at the Nets have There's never been a collection of offenses.

552
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: We're all offensive talent at the top of one roster

553
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: in the history of his league. That's what you're facing.

554
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: He went up to the line seventeen times last night.

555
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: He was sensational. The Nets aren't going to foul him

556
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: that much. They're gonna make him make more shots than that,

557
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: not let him get into a rhythm at the foul line.

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00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: And even if he is great in this series, which

559
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: I think he can be, Kemba Walker has to be

560
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: even better probably, and he's been really good lately. But

561
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: as Kemba Walker gonna give you twenty five a night

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: in this series. I don't think so, and that's what

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00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: it would take to even win. I think two games.

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00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a five game series. Maybe the

565
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Celtics get an early split. We get interested for a second.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I do not know

567
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Speaker 1: how any team is supposed to match the firepower of

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Speaker 1: what those three guys bring to the table, because they

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Speaker 1: can beat you on every platform offensively. Who's your MVP. Wow,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't bad most of the season, but I think

571
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm gonna pull for

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Speaker 1: the guy that was there every night. And I know

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Speaker 1: that's a big part of this argument. I typically defend

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Speaker 1: guys that miss a little bit of time in fact

575
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Speaker 1: and bad For Rookie of the Year, I thought it

576
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: was a joke that he didn't win it, even though

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Speaker 1: he played thirty one game. I said, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me my eyes did not see Joel

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Speaker 1: Ebide as the most dominant rookie player that year, first

580
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: year player, obviously he was. People thought he didn't play enough,

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00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: so Malcolm Brogen gets Rookie of the Year. I was

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00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: against that. I'm at the point now with Bron missing

583
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: so much time in bed missing so much time hard

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Speaker 1: and missing so much time. They were the three guys

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00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: I think in the mix. If we're gonna reward a

586
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: guy for being there every night, and also, by the way,

587
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: is you know twenty six, eleven and eight, I'm all

588
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: for it. So I think Yokis is deserving of it,

589
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and I think Yokis will win it. But I thought

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00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid for seventy five eighty percent of the season

591
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: was the MVP. It just got to the point he

592
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: just missed a little bit too much time. And I

593
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: think Yoki should be rewarded for being there every night.

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Speaker 1: How many times should you face the Bulls when they

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00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: had Jordan, Pippen and Rodman. I don't know the number

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: of games on the top of my head, but I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you this. My career was nineteen ninety to two thousand.

598
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: I was in Eastern Conference for a good part of that.

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00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: They won six titles during that time. I saw more

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00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: than my share of those guys, and to this day,

601
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: one of the most you know, intimidating things you faced

602
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: as a player. They were the only team I ever

603
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: played against in the NBA that pressed after free throws

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: and got away with it when you got a Rodman

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00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: Pippin Jordan Ron Harper picking you up in the backcourt

606
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: in a one two one one trap with that kind

607
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: of length. It was amazing to see point guard sort

608
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: of just run up the floor to wave at You're like, yeah,

609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: get it, legs, you got it, bring it up because

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00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: that first class in the deep corner and you turned

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: and you got Rodman running at you with Scottie Pippen,

612
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: and it was like an eclips. So yeah, I saw

613
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: more than my share. And to this day, that's the

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: greatest defensive team. You know that I for certainly I've

615
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: played against, but I think that's the best defensive team

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen to this day. Where those mid nineties

617
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: Bulls teams, but the best defender out of that group

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00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: was who Scottie Pippen. I think Scottie Pippen is the

619
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Speaker 1: best defensive player maybe outside of Bill Russell and to

620
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: get a guy I didn't see play, but obviously different roles.

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Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen's the best defender I've ever seen because he

622
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: was not only the best individual defender, he was the

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: best team helped defender as well. The ground, he covered,

624
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: his IQ, his communication, his instincts combined with six eight

625
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: fingertips touching both sidelines kind of a nightmare. You know,

626
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: you came off screen I played against him, he'd switch

627
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: Jordan beyond me. They'd switch on the baseline and come

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00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: off a downscreen. I knew I had enough separation to

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Speaker 1: get a clean shot off because I'd done it a

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Speaker 1: million times in my life. Catch turn, pivot, turn left shoulder,

631
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Speaker 1: go to square off and all of a sudden this

632
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: arm would come out of nowhere, and now you're going

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Speaker 1: up and you're having to make a pass in mid air.

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Speaker 1: That was the recover ability of Scottie Pippottum. He was.

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Speaker 1: He was special in one of a kind in the

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Speaker 1: way that he covered ground out there. Do you ever

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Speaker 1: make Jordan mad? Yes? I did, because Jordan loved to

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Speaker 1: gamble defensively um and so he would turn up to Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he did. That's why. That's why I though defensively

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Speaker 1: was the kind of guy that you know, he'd be

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Speaker 1: guarding me and obviously I wasn't going to do a

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Speaker 1: ton off to dribble against a guy like that, So

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Speaker 1: he knew kind I was going to spot up and wait.

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Speaker 1: He loved to turn his head and oh that he

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Speaker 1: loved to rake down in the post. Try to go

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Speaker 1: get Chris Webber, Juan Howard, Rashid Wiles, get those guys

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Speaker 1: from behind, and they'd make a move to the middle.

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Speaker 1: I would be low key, Baul would come out get

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Speaker 1: some space. So yes, I remember a game which I

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Speaker 1: hit a couple of threes because he turned his head

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Speaker 1: and left being. I remember after the second or third

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Speaker 1: one running down a court and Michael sang to me

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Speaker 1: on the way down the court, well, that's it for

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Speaker 1: you if I'm not leaving you again. And it's pretty

656
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Speaker 1: much like the equivalent of I guess the the water

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Speaker 1: company shutting your man off. The water is shut off now,

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Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of how you felt. So at

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Speaker 1: that point, we're gonna have to get it in transition.

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Speaker 1: You know, Michael is picking up somebody else. If that's

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Speaker 1: what you wasn't that amazing. He's telling you your night's done,

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Speaker 1: and you know that he's right. Yeah, And you know

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Speaker 1: what if you're making threes against Michael Jordan, you know it.

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Speaker 1: I kind of felt like, hey, that's okay. I already

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Speaker 1: he Actually it's funny. I have a picture in my

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Speaker 1: house and he and I are standing next to each other.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. Just twenty three, twenty three our

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Speaker 1: backs Jordan Legler, We're talking to other, little smirk on

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671
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Speaker 1: it's that Jordan talking trash to you, and I said no. Actually,

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Speaker 1: that was the first game I played after the three

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Speaker 1: All Star weekend when I won it, and he was

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Speaker 1: actually asking me about that. He was like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: winning the three point shootout, and that's what that picture captured.

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Speaker 1: I just got lucky someone happened to take that picture

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Speaker 1: at that time, and it's a pretty cool thing. So

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Speaker 1: obviously the greatest of all time. That nothing's ever going

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Speaker 1: to change my mind about that because I saw it

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Speaker 1: up close and personal, too personal. Seeing that team as

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Speaker 1: many times as I did in the nineties But that

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Speaker 1: was a cool, cool moment for me because it showed

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Speaker 1: you the humanity of Michael Jordan as well and as

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Speaker 1: awareness of kind of like what was going on for

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Speaker 1: a guy like me that that was a year which

691
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Speaker 1: I had a breakout year, and that was a national

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Speaker 1: moment for me. For Michael Jordan recognized that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Leg's great to you is always thanks for the stories. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: It's Tim Legler, ESPN NBA analyst. One year, he had

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Speaker 1: fifty two percent of his three point shots. He shot

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Speaker 1: I think forty eight from the floor. He shot fifty two.

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Speaker 1: Legs is an incredible shooter, incredible like today's NBA legs.

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Speaker 1: You could give him eight three pointers ten to three

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Speaker 1: point shot attempts. But he did say one time to

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Speaker 1: me when we were covering the NBA Finals, he said,

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Speaker 1: I'm so good, all beat you left handed from three

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Speaker 1: point range, and he was serious about it. I didn't

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Speaker 1: take him up on the offer. Yeah, Seeden, How awesome

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Speaker 1: is it though? To be just have a game and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Jordan's like, all right, that's it,

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Speaker 1: You're done, Like, okay, I gotta start paying attention to

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Speaker 1: you now that I wouldn't make me feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: want to fly under the radar just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: just so Mike's not gone. All right, your night's done.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I'm tired of you. And then he knows

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Speaker 1: that too. Oh, PAULI just sent me the picture. That

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Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Legler and Jordan chatting there. All right,

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Speaker 1: I have any numbers here? Legler faced Jordan and the

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Speaker 1: in nine. Okay, we got that one. Take a break,

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Neil? Hey, Dan five nine one

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Speaker 1: seventy five. Dan, I'm just calling in about the top

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Speaker 1: point guard of all time list obviously West Westbrook is

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Speaker 1: his numbers are insane and it's fright. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're missing Big Chris Paul. I mean, the guy's he

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Speaker 1: knock on him is that he's he doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: ring and then he doesn't have the pig numbered on

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Speaker 1: you're not topping twenty five plus, you're you're not really

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Speaker 1: getting recognized. And if he was, maybe in the Stockton

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Speaker 1: era he would have been that guy and then he

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Speaker 1: would have been above him. You never know, but I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to get your thoughts. Where do you even

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Speaker 1: have him on your on your list is a top five?

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Speaker 1: Because I try not to do list. Neil, thanks for

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Speaker 1: the phone call. Everybody else does list Mount Rushmore's and

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Speaker 1: all of that. I try not to do that because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do it. You know, it's it's generational.

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Speaker 1: You know Oscar and Jerry West, what they did, how

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Speaker 1: they did it, who they did it against, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to you know, then you bring in Magic, and then

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Speaker 1: you have Stockton, and then you have Isaiah and then

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Speaker 1: you have Steve Nash. You want to put Chris Paul

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Speaker 1: in there in the top ten, Okay, Russell Westbrook, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but now we don't even have true point guards. Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry is not a point guard. Hey, most guys who

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Speaker 1: lead the league and score, you know, aren't bigg assist guys.

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Speaker 1: Nate Archibald led the league in scoring and assist for

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Speaker 1: a Last Plays team. But for the most part, Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: you tune in, he's gonna score, you know. Draymond Green

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Speaker 1: average more assist than Steph Curry. And I just think

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Speaker 1: that these designations aren't fair because Steph Curry is not

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Speaker 1: a point guard. Like James Harden is more of a

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Speaker 1: point guard than Steph Curry is because he's getting eleven

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Speaker 1: assists a game. Steph has the ball that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: he passes the ball. Yeah, paint We need to come

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Speaker 1: up with a determined like ball dominant guard BDG. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. That's too too wordy. But you know, Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul is a point guard. He average is usually averages

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Speaker 1: about seventeen eighteen nineteen points a game and about eleven assists.

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Speaker 1: That's a true point guard. Yes, like Magic Johnson was,

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Speaker 1: and like Isaiah Thomas was, Chris Paul's getting being kind

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Speaker 1: of boxed out of that category. You know, he's a

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Speaker 1: a shooting guard than a point guard. It's points guard,

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Speaker 1: that's what I keep saying. He's a points guard. He

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Speaker 1: But he's not a guy who gets a lot of assists. Yes, McClement,

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Speaker 1: So what is it that's not point guard? About James

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Speaker 1: Harden just because he shoots a lot, but he drives

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Speaker 1: Now he's a point guard. What about Damian Lillard. He's

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Speaker 1: the same as Curry, right, yes, yes, because but Kyrie

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Speaker 1: is not a point guard. Shooting guard rd Yes, Harden

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