WEBVTT - Aim Higher

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin, take a deep breath and go. So you're creating

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<v Speaker 1>those little accents from down here. Yes, that's it one

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<v Speaker 1>more time. This is the last episode of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I've got my takeaways. One takeaway is

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<v Speaker 1>that good coaches can have huge effects, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>really matters who gets them. Another is that the people

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<v Speaker 1>who get the best coaches aren't always the people who

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<v Speaker 1>need them the most. The people who most need a

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<v Speaker 1>coach are people in a position of weakness. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>coaches can make the strong stronger, but the real magic

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<v Speaker 1>happens when a coach attacks a seemingly hopeless situation like

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<v Speaker 1>this one. That's it, you do. Oh. My strategy has

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<v Speaker 1>always been to hide my weaknesses, but it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>hide this one. My voice this Yeah, I'm Michael Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is against the rules. This season has been

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<v Speaker 1>all about the rise of coaches. For this final episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hiring myself a coach. It happens every time I

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<v Speaker 1>publish a book. I'll be three days into a speaking

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<v Speaker 1>tour and poof, I won't be able to speak. Last season,

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<v Speaker 1>the producers of this show tried to get me to

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<v Speaker 1>record two episodes in a day, only to find that

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<v Speaker 1>I was incapable of getting so many words out of

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth without my voice going. It's kind of funny

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<v Speaker 1>because my wife and children often say that I never

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<v Speaker 1>shut up, and I sort of wish that it could

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<v Speaker 1>be true. So take a deep, silent breath in and

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<v Speaker 1>hiss one. Two, he'd been strong, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>All right for maybe a man in his nineties with emphzema.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that was pretty good, But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to allow that with you. You must build that up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his name, is Eric Vitro. We're in his house

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<v Speaker 1>in La. If you were there, you could see that

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<v Speaker 1>Eric isn't just any old voice coach. His walls are

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<v Speaker 1>decorated with frame records that went platinum and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>notes from the singers who recorded them. I'm standing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of his piano. Behind it is a wall that's

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<v Speaker 1>more like a mural. The entire thing is filled with

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<v Speaker 1>snapshots of this coach, with the world's most famous people,

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of them, lots of beautiful people taking on the

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<v Speaker 1>very spot where I'm standing. These are all SuDS. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba good. Yeah. Do you know Cuba. I don't know anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know he sang anything. Yeah, he's done Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Summertide or London and on Broadway one of the nicest

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<v Speaker 1>ariana Grande John Legend, pink Seawan Mendez. And they look

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<v Speaker 1>not just happy to be here, they look grateful, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the actors who came to him to learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>sing in a Broadway musical or a Hollywood movie. Emma

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<v Speaker 1>Stone and Ryan Gosling for La La land Renee Zellweger

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<v Speaker 1>for Judy, Natalie Portman for Everything. The Wall is an

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<v Speaker 1>Awards show speech waiting to happen? Well, Ferrell say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't he sing it? I worked on the movie with

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuck Brothers where he's saying at the end, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>all culminates with him singing time to sing by. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe I had the balls to call you up

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<v Speaker 1>and ask you to do this. I really can't. On

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<v Speaker 1>a whim, I'd call the agent who turns my books

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<v Speaker 1>into movies and asked him, who's the coach for actors

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<v Speaker 1>who need to fix their voices? Say actors who don't

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<v Speaker 1>normally sing but suddenly need to the answer came back

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<v Speaker 1>immediately Eric Vetro. Hollywood agents all know just how vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>their clients feel. I was petrified. I didn't like singing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of people. I always loved singing, but privately

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<v Speaker 1>in my call in the shower, my own husband had

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<v Speaker 1>never heard me sing. Even stars need help to shine,

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<v Speaker 1>the brightest have a sixth sense of where to find

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<v Speaker 1>that help, like this actress Emily Blunt. Rob Marshall had

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<v Speaker 1>asked me to audition for other musicals he was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd always said no because I was just frozen

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<v Speaker 1>with fear about the thought. He eventually called my agent.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, she's coming in. I know she can sing,

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<v Speaker 1>She's perfect for this role. I really want her. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>her to come and I have to hear everyone sing.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the song? It was Moments in the Woods.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her big song. This is ridiculous. What am

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<v Speaker 1>I doing here? I'm in the wrong story. Into the

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<v Speaker 1>Woods was the hit Broadway show that was then being

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a movie. Emily Blunt had no idea if

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<v Speaker 1>she could do the role, but she had a phone

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<v Speaker 1>number for Eric Vitro. Eric told her what he tells

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<v Speaker 1>everybody who calls, come to my house for the first

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<v Speaker 1>lesson and we'll see. I mean, Eric's how is always spotless,

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<v Speaker 1>it always smells heavenly, and he's sort of this weird

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<v Speaker 1>juxtaposition of someone who's incredibly sort of refined and elegant,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he wears sort of like rocker jewelry, like

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<v Speaker 1>real thick chains, and sort of he's sort of an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting image when you look at him. He's usually got

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous shirt on. And I remember thinking how cool

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<v Speaker 1>this guy was and how how effortless he was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of be around. So I went into his kitchen walk

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<v Speaker 1>me through the first like fifteen minutes. We went into

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<v Speaker 1>his music room and he I think we did some

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<v Speaker 1>really embarrassing scales or something something that I was just

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<v Speaker 1>horrified by the idea of. And I felt embarrassed having

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<v Speaker 1>to do all of these strange mouth exercises, like he

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<v Speaker 1>makes you do things like ni like stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Though You're like, how horrifying if someone were to see

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<v Speaker 1>me do this in your life? Had you had that

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<v Speaker 1>experience before it? Anybody ever, any kind of nothing, nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't go to drama school. I wasn't put

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<v Speaker 1>through the ring or of doing sort of trust games

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<v Speaker 1>or physical sort of warm ups or anything I've never

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<v Speaker 1>done it and or anything like that. Where did the

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<v Speaker 1>fear and the inhibition come from in you? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it English? Maybe? Maybe it's like if you aren't

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<v Speaker 1>the very best, that you're supposed to just kind of hide.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you are the very best, you're supposed to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not supposed to enthuse about your own talents where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from, you know, or try too hard. No, you can't,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. So even having a voice coach, that's almost

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<v Speaker 1>like trying too hard. Well, that's interesting to me. Was

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<v Speaker 1>there a little part of you that resisted that in

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<v Speaker 1>any way? No? I feel like I desperately needed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I really really needed it. Emily Blunt got

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Vitro's coaching for the next few years, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had magical effects. I mean she became Mary Poppins. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever lie awake at night just between the dark

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<v Speaker 1>and the morning light? Such? My problem is obviously not

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<v Speaker 1>the same as Emily Blunt's. I have no hidden talents

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<v Speaker 1>and no one suspects that I do. I don't secretly

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<v Speaker 1>hope to audition for Rob Marshall's next musical. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, well, I'd better come clean here. My problem

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<v Speaker 1>with my voice isn't practical, it's spiritual. A long time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I basically decided that the last thing I should ever

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<v Speaker 1>do is sing. Standing in Eric Vitro's house, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>how nice it might be to walk through the world

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<v Speaker 1>without being unsettled by the national anthem or terrified by

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<v Speaker 1>karaoke night. As you're gonna put the straw in the bottle,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna hum into the straw, which means air is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be coming through the straw and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>blow bubbles right into the water. Yes, now go, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. You want to send that Eric through the straw? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes out it's funny you feel like around my belly body, Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I want. The first lesson at Eric's house

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<v Speaker 1>was just so that he could see if there was

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<v Speaker 1>any point in having a second lesson over the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I could come over, but then it also

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<v Speaker 1>might be a great waste of time. Now, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I am the most positive, optimistic and supportive people you

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<v Speaker 1>will ever meet. I really am supported with my students. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I really think that whole phrase you can be anyone

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<v Speaker 1>you want and achieve anything you put your mind to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it should be followed by within reason, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that would be like me saying, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quit teaching and I'm going to become the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest basketball player ever. Well, at my age, with my

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<v Speaker 1>hype and my body type, I don't think that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that would And if someone said you can

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<v Speaker 1>do it, Eric, you can put it in and you

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<v Speaker 1>put your mind to, they would be steering me down

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong road, right, It would be ridiculous. I was

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<v Speaker 1>waiting to hear how this story applied to me. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he told me about the famous actor, the actor who's

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<v Speaker 1>picture never quite made it onto the wall behind Eric's piano.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a movie and made a big splash, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody wanted to hear him. You know, everyone's like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's us. That's a good looking and a good actor.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was getting a million offers, and one was

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<v Speaker 1>a Broadway musical and they said, here's the deal, of

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<v Speaker 1>the producers will pay for unlimited voice lessons. They just

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<v Speaker 1>want you to prepare him for this. They trust you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, money's no object. How often do you really

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<v Speaker 1>hear that? You know, money's not you. So I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds like a great gig. That was until he

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<v Speaker 1>got here. And when I met him, he was actually

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<v Speaker 1>very nice, So that was ices on the cape. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>a great guy and just seemed fun to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he started singing, Oh my, I was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a terrible and it's worse than what I

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<v Speaker 1>just did. As he's telling me this story, I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>what else is he trying to tell me? But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. You know, what are the qualities that you

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<v Speaker 1>really need to possess to, you know, to be a

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<v Speaker 1>successful artist and to have a long career. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them is some kind of self awareness of who you

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<v Speaker 1>are and what you should be doing. I kept waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for him to elaborate. He didn't, But at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the session, Eric looked at his schedule and asked

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<v Speaker 1>when I wanted to do the next lesson and whether

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<v Speaker 1>it should be at his house or over FaceTime. So

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<v Speaker 1>I had myself a coach and a new way to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with what was a complicated problem. Who you got trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend? Right here, I say, trouble right here in

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<v Speaker 1>River City White, Sure, I'm a billiard glare certainly. The

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<v Speaker 1>Music Man was a musical turned into a hit movie

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two. There are actually plans right now

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<v Speaker 1>to revive it on Broadway, and you can see why.

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<v Speaker 1>It's both from another era and totally of the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It tells the story of a con man played in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie by Robert Preston. He rolls into a small

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<v Speaker 1>town in Iowa and sells musical instruments to parents by

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<v Speaker 1>persuading them that their kids are prodigies. He promises to

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<v Speaker 1>teach them how to play, only he doesn't know a

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<v Speaker 1>thing about music. The only person in town he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>fool is marrying the librarian played by Shirley Jones. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a prim and proper beauty who teaches piano and sees

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<v Speaker 1>through the Khan. But the music Man persuades her that

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<v Speaker 1>he has this magical system. Oh, I now have a

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary new method called a think system. Well, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>bother with notes. The music Man has found a new

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<v Speaker 1>and better way to coach, not how to sing or

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<v Speaker 1>how to play, how to get yourself into a state

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<v Speaker 1>of mind in which all you want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>sing and play. Oddly, this musical had exactly the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>effect on me. A single song, did it? I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you my phobia, I tell where it comes from it

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<v Speaker 1>and it's that the latter Rose song. Oh, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>figure out from your text what you were lucky about.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what happened. When I was in the third

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<v Speaker 1>and fourth and fifth grade, I had the leads in

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<v Speaker 1>the school players, and it was just I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was more willingness to get on stage and sing, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had them. And in fifth grade they cast me

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<v Speaker 1>in the leading and without telling me that I was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to marry on stage a little girl, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was this It was this awful sequence of events. Childhood

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<v Speaker 1>is a fun house mirror. Everything in it gets distorted.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a woman who became a meteorologist because a

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<v Speaker 1>storm dropped a tree onto her house when she was

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<v Speaker 1>ten years old. That tree kicked a little pebble off

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<v Speaker 1>the top of a hill in her mind and started

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<v Speaker 1>an avalanche. That kind of thing happened inside my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Only my tree was a song called Light a Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>Light a Rose, I'm home again, Rose, dude, get the side.

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<v Speaker 1>Our fifth grade class was going to stage a version

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<v Speaker 1>of the music Man. I thought I'd been duped into

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<v Speaker 1>singing the musical's one love song to a girl in

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<v Speaker 1>front of basically the entire world. But then these extremely

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<v Speaker 1>ancient teachers told me who the girl was, the new girl.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a birth effect, no fingers on her hands

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<v Speaker 1>or toes on her feet. She was also wildly bizarrely aggressive,

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing it boys, pitching fits. I knew I was meant

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind to her, and I tried. A ten

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy with a better character than mine would

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<v Speaker 1>have just gone along with the whole thing, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I told them that I wouldn't do the song, and

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<v Speaker 1>instead of telling me that I couldn't sing, they wound

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<v Speaker 1>up telling that poor little girl she couldn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>role in the play. The teachers had exposed a weakness

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<v Speaker 1>in my character. Of course, when I was ten, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have put it that way, or anyway at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I just suddenly had this ugly new feeling a combination

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<v Speaker 1>of anger and self loathing. There and then I refused

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<v Speaker 1>ever again to sing in school plays. I told the

0:16:06.036 --> 0:16:09.076
<v Speaker 1>music teacher I would never again meet her after school.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny how phobias start. It was a short skip

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<v Speaker 1>from refusing to sing to feeling that I shouldn't sing

0:16:19.956 --> 0:16:25.956
<v Speaker 1>to almost being afraid to sing. I know it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very strange story and it's got no happy ending to it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm done telling that story to my new coach.

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<v Speaker 1>He has an idea. So it's possible that my voice

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<v Speaker 1>is so bad that you're not gonna be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything at all. So let's see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think conquering that song that gave you such anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>would be fun, would be buzzing conquer, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to do is I want to have

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<v Speaker 1>you sing the melody, but instead of on the words,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to do it on wah wah wah. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have known a lot of singing teachers, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are just playing nuts. I talked to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Eric's students. This is Bette Midler, another famous

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<v Speaker 1>singer on Eric's wall. And there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>quacks too. So you have to be very careful because

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<v Speaker 1>you could be led down the garden path by people

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<v Speaker 1>who say that this is the way to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>When Bett found Eric, she was in a funk. It

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<v Speaker 1>was two thousand and eight. She was about to open

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<v Speaker 1>a new show in Vegas, at Caesar's Palace. The dry

0:17:45.996 --> 0:17:48.276
<v Speaker 1>air was getting to her. But it wasn't just the air.

0:17:49.036 --> 0:17:53.876
<v Speaker 1>Something wasn't quite right. She felt more than usually vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Her backup singers were called the Harlettes. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>Harletts told her about Eric, so Bett called him up.

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<v Speaker 1>He started coming to Vegas to help me, and he

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<v Speaker 1>would come once a week or so and we would

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<v Speaker 1>warm up, or he would call me on the phone.

0:18:10.796 --> 0:18:12.316
<v Speaker 1>We would warm up on the phone, and he gave

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<v Speaker 1>me the taps to warm up with it. And I

0:18:14.076 --> 0:18:17.396
<v Speaker 1>was religious about it. She didn't just get through the

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<v Speaker 1>show's run. She went two years without missing a single performance.

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<v Speaker 1>The staff at Caesar's Palace told her that that had

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<v Speaker 1>never happened, so they invented an award to give her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still Bette Midler's favorite award, and it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>changed her ideas about the value of a coach. There

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<v Speaker 1>are some songs when I can hear him in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear his voice, I can hear certain things

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<v Speaker 1>that he said in my head. And if I can

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<v Speaker 1>keep myself from dismissing it, if I can believe it,

0:18:53.596 --> 0:18:56.356
<v Speaker 1>I just thank God for him every day. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a sunbeam in the world. And I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that a coach has to be You can't have someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to be abusive. Yeah, they have. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to You have to know they care about you. Yes, yes,

0:19:09.996 --> 0:19:14.876
<v Speaker 1>you have to trust them. And trust is absolutely imperative.

0:19:14.956 --> 0:19:18.116
<v Speaker 1>If you don't trust your coach, you're not gonna make

0:19:18.116 --> 0:19:35.956
<v Speaker 1>it ready to take deep breath. Okay, Nope, but that's okay.

0:19:36.116 --> 0:19:40.476
<v Speaker 1>That's why you're here to improve. So yes, we're not listening.

0:19:40.996 --> 0:19:43.476
<v Speaker 1>We're not listening to a friend who was standing in

0:19:43.476 --> 0:19:46.716
<v Speaker 1>our guest copie and he heard me practicing. He I

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<v Speaker 1>came a piece that I thought that was the garbage truck.

0:19:49.556 --> 0:19:53.556
<v Speaker 1>No he didn't. It wasn't just the odd house guest.

0:19:54.116 --> 0:19:57.436
<v Speaker 1>It was the Amazon delivery lady, the guys on the

0:19:57.476 --> 0:20:02.316
<v Speaker 1>recycling truck, the neighbors. Anyone who came within about thirty

0:20:02.396 --> 0:20:06.676
<v Speaker 1>yards of me singing assumed a worried expression. One day,

0:20:06.716 --> 0:20:08.676
<v Speaker 1>I looked at my office window to see a deer

0:20:09.196 --> 0:20:13.476
<v Speaker 1>staring back at me with a look of concern. Then

0:20:13.516 --> 0:20:17.836
<v Speaker 1>there's my children. In happy families, children don't want their

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<v Speaker 1>parents to change. They really don't want to see them

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<v Speaker 1>trying to change. One day, my thirteen year old son

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<v Speaker 1>Walker wandered in with his skateboard under his arm. He

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed a tape recorder and supplied a running commentary just

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<v Speaker 1>out of my earshot, and then I just walked down

0:20:34.036 --> 0:20:48.916
<v Speaker 1>unless my dad going, and he's just run. Okay, it's

0:20:48.916 --> 0:20:54.716
<v Speaker 1>going to be a next Michael Jackson. Somebody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>steal kids. It's hard at the same time to be

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<v Speaker 1>both a comic character in the minds of everyone around

0:21:03.116 --> 0:21:07.716
<v Speaker 1>you and also a slayer of childhood demons. But something

0:21:07.756 --> 0:21:09.996
<v Speaker 1>about this coach made me want to keep on going,

0:21:10.436 --> 0:21:12.956
<v Speaker 1>just to see where he might lead. So you figure

0:21:12.956 --> 0:21:15.316
<v Speaker 1>out what they have, You expanded the best, the best

0:21:15.316 --> 0:21:18.436
<v Speaker 1>you can try to work, and then you worked all

0:21:18.436 --> 0:21:21.836
<v Speaker 1>about funny out who you are. Isn't that life in general?

0:21:21.956 --> 0:21:24.796
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's really true. But it's and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's the key to life, you know, and finding, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that combination of what you do best and what you

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<v Speaker 1>love the most, right, what you enjoy the most, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you're going to want to practice right. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing a style of music that you don't like,

0:21:37.436 --> 0:21:39.516
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to want to practice it right. So

0:21:39.556 --> 0:21:42.596
<v Speaker 1>it becomes meaningless, like like they'll tell me, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>and so tried to get me to blank blink, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I go, that's not what you want to do. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're really trying to fit up a square pain

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<v Speaker 1>around the whole. Right, you've got to have some kind

0:21:52.916 --> 0:21:57.196
<v Speaker 1>of love or passion for it, right has to. This

0:21:57.476 --> 0:22:00.596
<v Speaker 1>entire season has been mainly about the effects that coaches have.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't talked much about why they do what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of reasons someone might decide their passion is

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<v Speaker 1>to sing, but passion for helping others learn to sing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to explain sometimes, but you know, you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you are getting as much as you are giving,

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<v Speaker 1>like to see the improvement, to see people get excited.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that it comes back at you like a rush,

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<v Speaker 1>like a rush of adrenaline. Really is what it is.

0:22:32.316 --> 0:22:34.716
<v Speaker 1>Or to see someone complimented, or if you read a

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<v Speaker 1>good review. I would never say, oh, I take credit

0:22:38.156 --> 0:22:40.716
<v Speaker 1>for that. I don't feel that, but I know I

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<v Speaker 1>had something to do with it. I was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and that just and it makes me so

0:22:45.276 --> 0:22:49.556
<v Speaker 1>happy for that person. One day I asked Eric how

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<v Speaker 1>he became a coach with a completely straight face. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that it had all started in the fifth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>This show can't seem to move on from the fifth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>but such as life. By the time he got to

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<v Speaker 1>the fifth grade, Eric loved music but didn't get much

0:23:04.956 --> 0:23:08.996
<v Speaker 1>encouragement from his parents. Then his class stage of music,

0:23:09.716 --> 0:23:12.636
<v Speaker 1>just as mine had. The most popular boy in aris

0:23:12.676 --> 0:23:16.036
<v Speaker 1>class wanted to play the lead, but he didn't know

0:23:16.076 --> 0:23:21.356
<v Speaker 1>how to sing. He knew because I was playing the

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<v Speaker 1>piano in the morning, you know, for the kids to

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<v Speaker 1>sing the Star Spangled Banner, America the Beautiful, And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to audition. And meanwhile, by the way, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking at like a ten minute skit. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing. But to us, you know, when you're that

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<v Speaker 1>age and you're in a school, you're surrounded by people

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<v Speaker 1>who really matter to you, all those classmates, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many hierarchies and levels and all of that going on.

0:23:47.156 --> 0:23:50.716
<v Speaker 1>So he was popular, he was athletic, he was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the positive things you could be for boy in

0:23:53.876 --> 0:23:56.996
<v Speaker 1>the fifth grade, and or I guess in any grade really,

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<v Speaker 1>And so he said, can you teach me this song?

0:24:00.396 --> 0:24:04.516
<v Speaker 1>And I said sure. So we walked home. My house

0:24:04.716 --> 0:24:08.156
<v Speaker 1>was probably twenty five minutes from the school. He walked

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<v Speaker 1>home with me and I sat at the piano and

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<v Speaker 1>I taught him the song and we went over and

0:24:14.276 --> 0:24:19.836
<v Speaker 1>over and over it. That bonded us forever. You know what.

0:24:20.276 --> 0:24:22.436
<v Speaker 1>We didn't sit at the same table and lunch whatever,

0:24:22.996 --> 0:24:25.596
<v Speaker 1>but whenever I would see him from that time on

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<v Speaker 1>until graduating high school, we were walking down the hall,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd give me that nod, I'd give him that nod,

0:24:30.996 --> 0:24:33.796
<v Speaker 1>like we had that bond. It was amazing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a really special thing we had between us. And so

0:24:37.276 --> 0:24:39.836
<v Speaker 1>Eric just started to help other kids who needed to sing.

0:24:40.516 --> 0:24:42.476
<v Speaker 1>He didn't really think of it as a job until

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<v Speaker 1>one day when he was in college, a classmate auditioned

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<v Speaker 1>for a Broadway show. She offered to pay Eric to

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<v Speaker 1>help her. After that, he built an entire career on

0:24:53.716 --> 0:24:57.116
<v Speaker 1>word of mouth. People just heard about this guy's rare

0:24:57.156 --> 0:25:00.676
<v Speaker 1>coaching gift and called him up. He never really had

0:25:00.716 --> 0:25:04.196
<v Speaker 1>to market himself or push himself on others. They found him,

0:25:04.596 --> 0:25:07.396
<v Speaker 1>what did it feel like You're gonna yawn? Credible space

0:25:07.436 --> 0:25:19.836
<v Speaker 1>to back your throw all these strange sounds. I spend

0:25:19.876 --> 0:25:22.796
<v Speaker 1>an hour every day making them. I ask him why

0:25:22.836 --> 0:25:25.396
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing them, and he sort of explains but sort

0:25:25.396 --> 0:25:29.076
<v Speaker 1>of doesn't, or rather all of his explanations boiled down

0:25:29.116 --> 0:25:33.076
<v Speaker 1>to a single persuasive sentence. Just follow my lead the

0:25:33.116 --> 0:25:35.236
<v Speaker 1>way everyone else is done, and I'll get you there.

0:25:36.316 --> 0:25:42.196
<v Speaker 1>Practice really truly, bet Middler again, my fellow singer. This

0:25:42.316 --> 0:25:44.516
<v Speaker 1>is ther only piece of advice to me. The more

0:25:44.596 --> 0:25:46.356
<v Speaker 1>you do it, the better you're going to get. There's

0:25:46.356 --> 0:25:50.916
<v Speaker 1>no question. There is absolutely no question you will improve.

0:25:51.476 --> 0:25:53.876
<v Speaker 1>The more you do it, the better you get, and

0:25:53.996 --> 0:25:57.276
<v Speaker 1>you find the secrets you find. Well, he told me

0:25:57.316 --> 0:25:58.756
<v Speaker 1>to do it that way. I can't quite do it

0:25:58.796 --> 0:26:00.356
<v Speaker 1>that way, but I can do it this way, and

0:26:00.396 --> 0:26:02.236
<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty good sound, So I like him. My

0:26:02.396 --> 0:26:04.636
<v Speaker 1>question to you is, how do you sound? How do

0:26:04.676 --> 0:26:12.996
<v Speaker 1>you like yourself singing? That was a good question, and

0:26:13.076 --> 0:26:26.596
<v Speaker 1>I was still avoiding the answer. Let's start with a tongue,

0:26:26.716 --> 0:26:28.796
<v Speaker 1>making sure to connect to your breathing muscles. You're gonna

0:26:28.796 --> 0:26:35.916
<v Speaker 1>take deep ruts in and you're gonna sing that. I

0:26:36.036 --> 0:26:38.836
<v Speaker 1>try it. I try everything very good. Now try it

0:26:38.836 --> 0:26:45.636
<v Speaker 1>with the lip bubbly and see if you can do it. Yeah,

0:26:45.636 --> 0:26:47.716
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about it. Don't worry about it, I promise.

0:26:47.836 --> 0:26:50.876
<v Speaker 1>But I kept thinking of Bette Midler's question, how do

0:26:50.916 --> 0:26:55.356
<v Speaker 1>I like myself singing? The truth is I feel totally

0:26:55.436 --> 0:26:58.956
<v Speaker 1>disconnected from my own voice. I sing the way people

0:26:58.996 --> 0:27:01.476
<v Speaker 1>talk when they're trying to get a foreigner to understand them.

0:27:01.636 --> 0:27:03.876
<v Speaker 1>When it isn't working, I just do it again, louder.

0:27:04.636 --> 0:27:07.236
<v Speaker 1>I also sing with the feeling that something's about to

0:27:07.276 --> 0:27:10.836
<v Speaker 1>go drastically wrong, like I'm a five foot point guard

0:27:10.916 --> 0:27:13.356
<v Speaker 1>driving for a layup with a pair of seven footers

0:27:13.436 --> 0:27:22.556
<v Speaker 1>right behind me. So you're gonna go memo, memo, memo, memo, memo, memo, Mimo, memo, Mimo, Mimo, Mimo, memo, memo, Mimo.

0:27:22.596 --> 0:27:26.516
<v Speaker 1>Now rolling your head, memo, Mima. The music Man is

0:27:26.516 --> 0:27:29.556
<v Speaker 1>about a con man. He knows he's a fraud, but

0:27:29.636 --> 0:27:35.156
<v Speaker 1>he's happy in the role. I'm less. So wow, even

0:27:35.156 --> 0:27:37.436
<v Speaker 1>though Eric agrees to take me on as a student,

0:27:37.716 --> 0:27:40.196
<v Speaker 1>I start with one foot out the door, and I

0:27:40.236 --> 0:27:49.476
<v Speaker 1>think he kind of knows it. Okay. Good. Looking back

0:27:49.476 --> 0:27:51.796
<v Speaker 1>on all this, I see our relationship had a bunch

0:27:51.796 --> 0:27:57.076
<v Speaker 1>of stages. I can count five. You've already heard stage one.

0:27:57.836 --> 0:28:00.116
<v Speaker 1>He was just feeling each other out to decide if

0:28:00.116 --> 0:28:04.276
<v Speaker 1>there was any point of spending time together. Stage two

0:28:04.796 --> 0:28:09.356
<v Speaker 1>was Eric gradually taking control. But I only notice this

0:28:09.436 --> 0:28:12.836
<v Speaker 1>happening after I went back over the recordings of all

0:28:12.876 --> 0:28:18.116
<v Speaker 1>our sessions. It sounded better, Yeah, really really noticeably sounded better. Yeah.

0:28:18.116 --> 0:28:21.196
<v Speaker 1>I mean from a low baseline, but I noticed the difference. No,

0:28:21.596 --> 0:28:24.436
<v Speaker 1>that's great. I didn't give you the acid reflux diet.

0:28:24.476 --> 0:28:27.836
<v Speaker 1>Hot to look at you did? He had given me

0:28:27.876 --> 0:28:31.956
<v Speaker 1>the acid reflux a diet the first session. This long

0:28:32.076 --> 0:28:35.396
<v Speaker 1>list of stuff I was now encouraged to consume, plus

0:28:35.436 --> 0:28:39.236
<v Speaker 1>a longer list of things I shouldn't touch. No spicy foods,

0:28:39.396 --> 0:28:43.996
<v Speaker 1>no coffee, no alcohol. It seemed excessive. I mean, no

0:28:44.196 --> 0:28:48.516
<v Speaker 1>carbonated beverages. You did? Then? Why are you drinking carbonated

0:28:48.516 --> 0:28:51.276
<v Speaker 1>water in front of me? Oh my god? You caught it?

0:28:51.716 --> 0:28:54.396
<v Speaker 1>So because you know it's all I have. It's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>drinking up the remains. I hadn't bought any new ones,

0:28:56.756 --> 0:29:05.196
<v Speaker 1>but it was what, Okay, your family can't drink the perree? Allright? Busting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. It won't happen again. Could always take a

0:29:08.196 --> 0:29:10.356
<v Speaker 1>bath in it. Yeah, that's what I'll do. I'll take

0:29:10.396 --> 0:29:12.756
<v Speaker 1>a back, right, I'll send it to you. Do you

0:29:12.756 --> 0:29:14.436
<v Speaker 1>have a dog, You could wash the dog with it.

0:29:16.676 --> 0:29:19.556
<v Speaker 1>I found that once I got my coach talking, I

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<v Speaker 1>could encourage him to keep going. Please do tell me

0:29:23.236 --> 0:29:25.676
<v Speaker 1>how to wash a dog in sparkling order. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>do very much want to hear what Joan Rivers once

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<v Speaker 1>said about her dog. So long as he was talking,

0:29:31.356 --> 0:29:34.276
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to sing. I was creating a kind

0:29:34.316 --> 0:29:38.436
<v Speaker 1>of alibi that crime against music. No way I could

0:29:38.436 --> 0:29:41.076
<v Speaker 1>have committed it. I wasn't even present at the scene.

0:29:41.116 --> 0:29:45.556
<v Speaker 1>Feel like you're sighing. Make sure you support by using

0:29:45.556 --> 0:29:47.956
<v Speaker 1>your breathing muscles on that first note and put a

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<v Speaker 1>slight cry so to be more of a mey memai

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<v Speaker 1>may good. Now, I guarantee you if you start doing

0:29:58.556 --> 0:30:00.876
<v Speaker 1>it every day, that will get better and better. How

0:30:00.876 --> 0:30:06.356
<v Speaker 1>could it get worse? That is not true? All right now,

0:30:06.996 --> 0:30:09.476
<v Speaker 1>I want to do one keeping a nice and forward,

0:30:09.556 --> 0:30:12.796
<v Speaker 1>keeping your mouth loose and relaxed. Say yum yum, yum,

0:30:12.836 --> 0:30:19.036
<v Speaker 1>yum yum yum. Actually, before we go out further. I

0:30:19.156 --> 0:30:22.076
<v Speaker 1>know you're being funny, but I know there's always a

0:30:22.076 --> 0:30:24.796
<v Speaker 1>little truth in every little bit of humor. What I

0:30:24.876 --> 0:30:27.916
<v Speaker 1>want you to do is stop thinking of it as

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<v Speaker 1>not good, because as long as you do that, you'll

0:30:31.636 --> 0:30:33.516
<v Speaker 1>kind of keep it there, you know what I mean,

0:30:33.916 --> 0:30:35.876
<v Speaker 1>You'll always have a little bit of a sense. While

0:30:35.916 --> 0:30:38.036
<v Speaker 1>I'm not really a singer, I'm not really good. I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to start just thinking to yourself as a singer.

0:30:41.676 --> 0:30:45.836
<v Speaker 1>You're putting in the time, the effort, you're practicing. Why

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you get better? You know right? Anybody will get

0:30:49.756 --> 0:30:52.636
<v Speaker 1>better is something they put effort in, time and energy,

0:30:52.636 --> 0:30:54.556
<v Speaker 1>And so I want you to just start thinking to

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<v Speaker 1>yourself like a singer. He didn't miss much. He was

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<v Speaker 1>onto me. It's a defense mechanism, I know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to drop it, all right. I want to

0:31:05.316 --> 0:31:08.436
<v Speaker 1>break through that defense because I really do think when

0:31:08.516 --> 0:31:11.596
<v Speaker 1>someone feels a little bit better and they tell themselves,

0:31:12.036 --> 0:31:16.596
<v Speaker 1>you know, self affirming thoughts, it really does make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I won't do it anymore. Yeah, I want

0:31:19.476 --> 0:31:24.636
<v Speaker 1>you to really just think, yeah, this is better. His

0:31:24.836 --> 0:31:28.476
<v Speaker 1>will was just stronger than mine. At some point I

0:31:28.556 --> 0:31:32.036
<v Speaker 1>gave up and accepted that he was in charge. And

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<v Speaker 1>at that point I entered stage three of the coaching relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Buy in actual, honest, buy in very good. And I

0:31:43.076 --> 0:31:47.236
<v Speaker 1>heard by Groat on that first note, whoa to do

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<v Speaker 1>that again? Who wa wa? Wa wa wa. Now aim

0:31:52.716 --> 0:31:54.596
<v Speaker 1>high on that last note, though, don't let it fall

0:31:54.636 --> 0:31:57.436
<v Speaker 1>back from your throat. I mean, who knows if I'm

0:31:57.476 --> 0:32:01.356
<v Speaker 1>actually getting better? I can't tell, but he's giving me

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling of movement. May may May May May may

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<v Speaker 1>may may May. So far, that's the briant, the best

0:32:11.556 --> 0:32:14.276
<v Speaker 1>you've sounded. Does it feel good? It feels really good. Yeah,

0:32:14.356 --> 0:32:16.996
<v Speaker 1>and I want you to really embrace it. Feel what

0:32:17.076 --> 0:32:19.556
<v Speaker 1>it feels like, listen to it because it sounds really good.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point into all of this, like after maybe

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<v Speaker 1>three months of weekly lessons and almost daily practice, it

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<v Speaker 1>occurred to me that one anxiety had been replaced by another.

0:32:35.116 --> 0:32:38.636
<v Speaker 1>I used to be anxious mostly about singing. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>anxious mostly about letting him down. I think we'll call

0:32:42.916 --> 0:32:48.396
<v Speaker 1>this stage four. So have you ever taken a ballet class? No?

0:32:48.596 --> 0:32:52.396
<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but I've been close to one. Okay, So

0:32:53.356 --> 0:32:57.396
<v Speaker 1>in ballet class quite often, you know, they talk about

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<v Speaker 1>getting in touch with and what's the word of connecting

0:33:03.476 --> 0:33:07.636
<v Speaker 1>to your center? Yep. We'll leave your abdominal muscles then, yep.

0:33:08.196 --> 0:33:13.436
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of tight and squeezing your butt cheeks together yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>clanking in the back holding it. Ye, so that's why

0:33:16.156 --> 0:33:20.676
<v Speaker 1>they stand so straight. Yep, yep, Okay, that's clenching in

0:33:20.716 --> 0:33:24.076
<v Speaker 1>the bus and pulling your abdomino muscles can help you

0:33:24.116 --> 0:33:26.876
<v Speaker 1>with support. Now, I prevertical in front of back to

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<v Speaker 1>support because I don't want to be known as the

0:33:28.636 --> 0:33:32.036
<v Speaker 1>butt teacher. And I'm not recording it. He wasn't recording it,

0:33:32.076 --> 0:33:35.036
<v Speaker 1>but I was, Oh no, no no. So I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you if I if I was able to sing

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<v Speaker 1>with my ass muscles, I'd be on Broadway, right, there's

0:33:41.876 --> 0:33:44.196
<v Speaker 1>ever going to be a Broadway again. Yeah, well that's

0:33:44.196 --> 0:33:47.516
<v Speaker 1>a that's a good point. Yeah. Anyway, Okay, getting back

0:33:47.556 --> 0:33:49.996
<v Speaker 1>to your bus. So I want you to put one

0:33:50.076 --> 0:33:52.356
<v Speaker 1>end on your abdominal muscles and you're gonna go to

0:33:52.516 --> 0:33:55.996
<v Speaker 1>a normal hiss pulling your abdomino munz of it, and

0:33:56.036 --> 0:34:00.116
<v Speaker 1>then you're going to add clenching your butt cheeks together. Okay,

0:34:00.196 --> 0:34:04.596
<v Speaker 1>so I'll so. But it just hissed and clenched my

0:34:04.636 --> 0:34:06.636
<v Speaker 1>butt cheeks while I'm doing it. You're going to do

0:34:06.756 --> 0:34:18.276
<v Speaker 1>normal ping of your abdomino muscles. Then you're gonna okay, gotcha, wow,

0:34:19.756 --> 0:34:24.116
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, it was like a howitzer. That's what

0:34:24.196 --> 0:34:27.036
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do that behind us, You're going to seats

0:34:27.036 --> 0:34:30.596
<v Speaker 1>together and pulling your domino was gonna be liker. That

0:34:30.716 --> 0:34:35.076
<v Speaker 1>was like a nuke. It was also extremely weird, but

0:34:35.156 --> 0:34:38.996
<v Speaker 1>it was working, and it got us eventually to stage five.

0:34:40.156 --> 0:34:42.876
<v Speaker 1>I still didn't really like the way I sounded, but

0:34:42.956 --> 0:34:45.316
<v Speaker 1>I could see how one day I might like the

0:34:45.356 --> 0:34:49.036
<v Speaker 1>way I sounded. I was starting to have this entirely

0:34:49.116 --> 0:34:52.316
<v Speaker 1>new feeling because of this coach, and I sort of

0:34:52.356 --> 0:34:56.156
<v Speaker 1>confessed it directly to Bette Midler. I don't know if

0:34:56.196 --> 0:34:58.476
<v Speaker 1>you feel this way, but I found that once you

0:34:58.596 --> 0:35:04.036
<v Speaker 1>start singing, it's really hard to stop. That's great, you know,

0:35:04.196 --> 0:35:05.956
<v Speaker 1>do you know? You know you start saying you kind

0:35:05.956 --> 0:35:09.036
<v Speaker 1>of don't want to stop. So I find myself one

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<v Speaker 1>undering the streets after I've been doing a lesson singing,

0:35:11.596 --> 0:35:13.756
<v Speaker 1>and then I realize people are staring at me. Oh really,

0:35:13.876 --> 0:35:16.676
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a sweet story. That's fantastic. I'm going to

0:35:16.756 --> 0:35:22.396
<v Speaker 1>try that. Now. How has your progress been with you

0:35:23.076 --> 0:35:26.996
<v Speaker 1>mentally thinking of yourself as a singer? Not bad? Good?

0:35:27.236 --> 0:35:30.556
<v Speaker 1>So that interference is gone, and I'm trying to talk

0:35:30.596 --> 0:35:35.116
<v Speaker 1>myself into this great great because I think that, you know,

0:35:35.156 --> 0:35:38.116
<v Speaker 1>then it becomes I don't want to say, an experiment,

0:35:38.236 --> 0:35:42.036
<v Speaker 1>maybe an exercise in not just singing in general, but

0:35:42.476 --> 0:35:46.076
<v Speaker 1>how powerful the mind can be to creating what it

0:35:46.156 --> 0:35:53.556
<v Speaker 1>is we want to create in our life. I agree. Okay, so,

0:35:53.676 --> 0:35:55.396
<v Speaker 1>but one hand on your chest, one hand on your

0:35:55.396 --> 0:35:58.236
<v Speaker 1>abdominal muscles. Take a deep, low breath and a long

0:35:58.276 --> 0:36:02.636
<v Speaker 1>steady It's not often that someone persuades you that you

0:36:02.636 --> 0:36:06.756
<v Speaker 1>can go to a place you've never been. It's intoxicating,

0:36:07.756 --> 0:36:10.996
<v Speaker 1>even for people who've been on most everywhere. And actually,

0:36:10.996 --> 0:36:15.276
<v Speaker 1>the most free thing about Eric is that he encourages

0:36:15.316 --> 0:36:19.116
<v Speaker 1>you to not make it sound beautiful and perfect, just

0:36:19.196 --> 0:36:22.516
<v Speaker 1>makes sense of it, like Emily Blunt makes sense of

0:36:22.556 --> 0:36:26.436
<v Speaker 1>the song. Let me hear the story, Tell me a story.

0:36:27.116 --> 0:36:30.476
<v Speaker 1>This is what's so elusive about coaching. How a gifted

0:36:30.556 --> 0:36:32.596
<v Speaker 1>coach can get you to shift the focus of your

0:36:32.636 --> 0:36:37.116
<v Speaker 1>attention so you're no longer singing a song. You're sort

0:36:37.116 --> 0:36:40.716
<v Speaker 1>of exploring who you are or might be. It hit

0:36:40.756 --> 0:36:42.956
<v Speaker 1>Bette Midler right away. You know what I have to

0:36:42.956 --> 0:36:45.796
<v Speaker 1>tell you this, This is a good story. When I

0:36:45.836 --> 0:36:48.596
<v Speaker 1>first care to Eric, I would come to Eric and

0:36:48.636 --> 0:36:51.356
<v Speaker 1>you don't know me, Michael, but I am. I'm a

0:36:51.436 --> 0:36:55.156
<v Speaker 1>very sad person. I mean, I can be hilarious, but

0:36:55.396 --> 0:37:01.516
<v Speaker 1>like many comics I am, I am like a tragic soul,

0:37:02.036 --> 0:37:04.956
<v Speaker 1>and I can be very hard on myself and very

0:37:04.956 --> 0:37:07.836
<v Speaker 1>hard on people around me. I'm sorry to admit that.

0:37:07.916 --> 0:37:12.236
<v Speaker 1>People I'm telling I'm letting you in. This coach knows stuff.

0:37:12.636 --> 0:37:16.116
<v Speaker 1>Stuff you never know that he knows. He knows what

0:37:16.276 --> 0:37:18.956
<v Speaker 1>you might be capable of. If you allow him to help,

0:37:19.756 --> 0:37:23.076
<v Speaker 1>you might already be world famous and headlining a Vegas show.

0:37:23.716 --> 0:37:26.636
<v Speaker 1>You also, at the same time might be hating yourself

0:37:26.636 --> 0:37:43.836
<v Speaker 1>and making life miserable for your coach. And he came

0:37:43.876 --> 0:37:46.516
<v Speaker 1>to my opening night, and you know what he told me,

0:37:46.556 --> 0:38:04.236
<v Speaker 1>Like years later, he said to me, when that curtain

0:38:04.276 --> 0:38:10.436
<v Speaker 1>went up and you came up, I didn't reckon you

0:38:10.476 --> 0:38:14.076
<v Speaker 1>are you were so full of joy as life and

0:38:14.236 --> 0:38:28.636
<v Speaker 1>color and fun and you're such a bust. Recognize she's

0:38:28.756 --> 0:38:31.076
<v Speaker 1>laughing so hard that you might not have heard what

0:38:31.116 --> 0:38:33.636
<v Speaker 1>her coach said to her. You were so full of

0:38:33.836 --> 0:38:36.716
<v Speaker 1>joy and life and color and fun, and you're such

0:38:36.756 --> 0:38:40.476
<v Speaker 1>a bitch. She loved that he said it then and

0:38:40.636 --> 0:38:47.556
<v Speaker 1>obviously still loves it now. Oh my god, the poor guy,

0:38:49.356 --> 0:38:54.636
<v Speaker 1>because I am intense and he is he just never

0:38:54.756 --> 0:38:58.716
<v Speaker 1>let me go? So yes, he helped me over. He

0:38:58.716 --> 0:39:02.076
<v Speaker 1>helped me, He helped me over an enormous he helped

0:39:02.116 --> 0:39:06.836
<v Speaker 1>me climb an enormous mountain, an enormous mountain. You've given

0:39:06.876 --> 0:39:09.636
<v Speaker 1>me something. That's why I had to come. I don't

0:39:09.636 --> 0:39:15.156
<v Speaker 1>recall giving oh, yes, something beautiful. That's why I came back.

0:39:15.196 --> 0:39:18.596
<v Speaker 1>In fifth grade, after Eric Vitro realized he had this

0:39:18.676 --> 0:39:22.076
<v Speaker 1>gift for helping people learn how to sing, he began

0:39:22.116 --> 0:39:26.036
<v Speaker 1>to collect voices. They were a gallery in his mind.

0:39:26.956 --> 0:39:31.196
<v Speaker 1>He recalls the first acquisition when he saw a movie

0:39:31.756 --> 0:39:38.636
<v Speaker 1>called The Music Man, Oh B on the huge but

0:39:38.836 --> 0:39:44.516
<v Speaker 1>I never I didn't see it in the movie theater,

0:39:45.116 --> 0:39:47.996
<v Speaker 1>but it was on television one night, and I had

0:39:48.036 --> 0:39:50.836
<v Speaker 1>this little real to real tape recorders before there was

0:39:50.916 --> 0:39:54.956
<v Speaker 1>VHS tapes or anything, and I recorded the whole thing

0:39:55.636 --> 0:39:58.676
<v Speaker 1>so I could listen to it again. I thought Shirley

0:39:58.756 --> 0:40:01.796
<v Speaker 1>Jones had such a beautiful voice. I used to play

0:40:01.796 --> 0:40:04.676
<v Speaker 1>it over and over, her singing till there was you,

0:40:04.876 --> 0:40:07.876
<v Speaker 1>the songs she sings at the end and at the footbridge.

0:40:07.916 --> 0:40:13.076
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was so beautiful that was you. It

0:40:13.196 --> 0:40:16.396
<v Speaker 1>may have been Eric's first experience of paying really close

0:40:16.436 --> 0:40:20.596
<v Speaker 1>attention to someone else's voice, just studying it, and it

0:40:20.676 --> 0:40:24.316
<v Speaker 1>was ironic that you became It was her teacher for years,

0:40:24.356 --> 0:40:28.036
<v Speaker 1>for like ten years, you know, and we became very close.

0:40:28.956 --> 0:40:32.156
<v Speaker 1>That was a rare false note for Eric Vitro. It

0:40:32.196 --> 0:40:36.116
<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel at all ironic to me that Shirley Jones,

0:40:36.516 --> 0:40:39.636
<v Speaker 1>star of the Music Man, would one day call Eric

0:40:39.676 --> 0:40:43.596
<v Speaker 1>and ask for his help. It feels like his destiny

0:40:43.636 --> 0:40:47.116
<v Speaker 1>to help her and maybe me too. So before we

0:40:47.236 --> 0:40:52.156
<v Speaker 1>sing Lyda Rose, You're chosen song to heal the wound

0:40:52.196 --> 0:40:57.556
<v Speaker 1>of your child? What are you going to think? What

0:40:57.676 --> 0:41:02.196
<v Speaker 1>am I going to think? Well? I think probably the

0:41:02.236 --> 0:41:08.556
<v Speaker 1>best spirit to sing it in is a slightly comic seduction. Okay,

0:41:08.596 --> 0:41:13.676
<v Speaker 1>it's like an ironic seduction. Okay, So that's the tone.

0:41:13.876 --> 0:41:16.996
<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's the overall tone, and and it's it's

0:41:18.996 --> 0:41:21.276
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like, yeah, Light of Rose, I could

0:41:21.316 --> 0:41:22.876
<v Speaker 1>understand if you don't want to get married at the

0:41:22.916 --> 0:41:25.516
<v Speaker 1>end of this, but I'm giving him my best shot. Okay, Great,

0:41:25.916 --> 0:41:30.036
<v Speaker 1>So it's an irresponsible, uh love song? Great, all right,

0:41:30.076 --> 0:41:41.156
<v Speaker 1>So let's sing through Light a Rose, Light a Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm home again Rose to get the sun back in

0:41:45.156 --> 0:41:50.756
<v Speaker 1>the sky, Light a Rose, I am home again Rose,

0:41:50.876 --> 0:41:58.916
<v Speaker 1>about a thousand kisses shine ding dong ding. I can

0:41:59.076 --> 0:42:06.476
<v Speaker 1>hear the chapel bill chime, ding dong ding at the

0:42:06.596 --> 0:42:12.356
<v Speaker 1>least suggestion, Oh up the question, light a Rose, I'm

0:42:12.436 --> 0:42:18.996
<v Speaker 1>home again Rose, without a sweetheart to my name, Light

0:42:19.076 --> 0:42:25.156
<v Speaker 1>a Rose? How everyone knows that I'm hoping you're the same.

0:42:26.396 --> 0:42:33.436
<v Speaker 1>So here is my love song, not fancy or fine,

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<v Speaker 1>Light a Rose. Oh, won't you be mind? I'm Michael Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to Against the Rules. Against the Rules

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<v Speaker 1>is brought to you by Pushkin Industries. The show's produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Audrey Dilling and Catherine Girodo, with research assistance from

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<v Speaker 1>Lydia Jeancott and Zooe Wynn. Our editor is Julia Barton.

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<v Speaker 1>Mel o'bell is our executive producer. Our theme was composed

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<v Speaker 1>by Nick Brittell, with additional scoring by Stellwagen Siphonette. We

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<v Speaker 1>got fact checked by Beth Johnson. Our show was recorded

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<v Speaker 1>by tofur Ruth and Trey Schultz at Northgate Studios in Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, thanks to Pushkin's founders, Jacob Weisberg and Malcolm Gladwell.

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<v Speaker 1>So my last question and then we can get onto

0:43:49.916 --> 0:43:51.836
<v Speaker 1>the lesson. If you want to get into the lesson,

0:43:52.436 --> 0:43:57.436
<v Speaker 1>Is any anyone you ever worked with ask you so

0:43:57.516 --> 0:44:03.676
<v Speaker 1>much about yourself as you Most of the time people

0:44:03.676 --> 0:44:06.276
<v Speaker 1>are here just to learn, so they don't really ask

0:44:06.356 --> 0:44:09.476
<v Speaker 1>that much about me. Yeah, the dury, little big You're

0:44:09.516 --> 0:44:11.676
<v Speaker 1>always the most interesting person in the room, but you're

0:44:11.716 --> 0:44:14.276
<v Speaker 1>paying attention to everybody else. I don't know if that's true,

0:44:14.396 --> 0:44:17.756
<v Speaker 1>but I am paying attention, and you know, I'm sure

0:44:17.836 --> 0:44:20.596
<v Speaker 1>you find this too. It's really more interesting to be

0:44:20.756 --> 0:44:23.956
<v Speaker 1>the person listening to the other people because I know

0:44:24.076 --> 0:44:33.476
<v Speaker 1>my own story. I've gotta feel the same way.