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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, and we're kind of wallowing in our

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Speaker 1: misery after losing to the Dolphins. Ugh, but we're getting

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Speaker 1: ready for the Jets. We can't lose to them, right right?

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Speaker 1: Has this become a must win game?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Three week three?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like.

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Speaker 8: That in the standings, And just like mentally, I think you,

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Speaker 8: I don't think you could handle this being the first

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Speaker 8: the Jets.

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Speaker 4: On this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Aaron Rodgers, you know.

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Speaker 4: It's still gonna be tough.

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Speaker 1: Though. Listen, there's no penciling in this win. You know

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Speaker 1: that's a legitimate defense and we're an offense in the making.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a nice way to put it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I might be down to Indianapolis for penciled in wins.

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Speaker 4: Yea, and that could change.

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Speaker 1: That's what they looked. Okay, although did Richardson get hurt?

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Speaker 9: I don't know if he actually had one, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's it's Tamara, Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and Nabooth and uh,

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Speaker 4: Game and on the seventh day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we had the post game show. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure a lot of people listening and watching now we're

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Speaker 4: A little bit more clarity. I don't know clarity for yourself.

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Speaker 8: But you know, part of it is just, you know,

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Speaker 8: getting a lot of negative Patriots energy out there right now.

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Speaker 8: I had to do the mail bag this week, which

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Speaker 8: I mean, I just I don't want to spend all

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Speaker 4: What Freddie.

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Speaker 9: The five guys need to play together so they see

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Speaker 9: you're not going to add something really significant that transforms

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Speaker 9: five guys up front learn each other and start to

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Speaker 8: And run the ball, and I mean that's I mean,

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Speaker 8: I wonder if those guys are getting past their expiration

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Speaker 4: It's not saying I feel better about the offense, but

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Speaker 8: I agree and like, but the thing I was thinking

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Speaker 1: See, and like just it's only two games. But my

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing. They've had ample opportunities to overcome

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Speaker 4: You're in a hole and you got to climb out

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Speaker 8: But you know, most teams like the first two possessions,

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Speaker 5: The head coach thinks it's the turnovers. Yeah, said it

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Speaker 4: His comments are starting to become one of my lists.

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Speaker 5: Of three hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I have a tangent for that comment. As well, but

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Speaker 5: Like the personnel is not dynamic. It's I said this

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Speaker 5: they threw for three hundred yards and they had three touchdowns,

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Speaker 5: do not have any explosive players. They have two plays

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Speaker 5: run the football either, as Mike has pointed out, and

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Speaker 5: I agree wholeheartedly that's a big thing. But in general,

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Speaker 5: I think we blame a lot on the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I understand why, but I don't think that the turnovers

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Speaker 1: But it's hard to judge all those other things when

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Speaker 5: I mean, everyone right now, they.

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Speaker 1: Really execute the way you want to execute. They were

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Speaker 1: we have to choose from. You weren't your whole playbook

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Speaker 5: But but is that justified because I don't feel it's justified.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that that's an excuse fair enough.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I don't you think that the plays

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Speaker 5: And so I asked O'Brien this morning about under center.

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Speaker 5: They have ran four passes from under center in two weeks.

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Speaker 5: they have just not really and this is my greate

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Speaker 1: Well, you're looking at O'Brien, but there was a stretch

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Speaker 5: they have personnel. They have two big backs, they have

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Speaker 5: They have to run the ball downhill, they have to

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Speaker 4: But respectfully, respectfully, you know, you had two rookie guards

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Speaker 4: Is I made that point last week. Maybe he had.

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Speaker 9: They don't want him to turn his back to a

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Speaker 9: I think we all agree on that. I don't think

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Speaker 4: To throw was was less. There's one on average.

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Speaker 9: Now, obviously the pages didn't have any pressure because it's

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Speaker 9: But mac Jones in two weeks is leads the league

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of I mean, so we've talked

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Speaker 5: ball is a mentality. But I just at the end

439
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Speaker 5: of the day, I look at O'Brien and I think

440
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Speaker 5: he's a great offensive coordinator. He's obviously an experienced guy.

441
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Speaker 5: He knows what he's doing. But at the end of

442
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Speaker 5: the day, they don't have enough scheme related conflict in

443
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Speaker 5: their offense right now. There's not enough play action, there's

444
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 5: not enough window dressing. It's just we're gonna run it

445
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Speaker 5: right at you or we're gonna throw it right at you.

446
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Speaker 5: And when you do that, you better have good players.

447
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 5: You have to have good personnel, and this team doesn't

448
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 5: on offense, are not good enough at least like teams

449
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Speaker 5: like Cincinnati play it that way. They can because they

450
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 5: have Jamar Chase and they have T Higgins, they have

451
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Speaker 5: a great quarterback. The Patriots are a team that they

452
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Speaker 5: need to create openings for their passing game. They need

453
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 5: to scheme guys open, they need to use play action

454
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 5: to create larger passing windows to create catch and run opportunities.

455
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 5: Mac just taking ISO shots to Devonte Parker and Kendrick

456
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 5: Bourne is not going to create explosive plays for this offense.

457
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Speaker 5: So they need to figure out ways to create more

458
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 5: conflict in the defense. Because the defense isn't afraid of

459
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 5: your receivers, that's obvious, so they need to be afraid

460
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Speaker 5: of the scheme. And I think right now, you know, Paul,

461
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Speaker 5: just right off those stats about how much Mac has passed,

462
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Speaker 5: He's also passed the majority of the time and shotgun.

463
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Speaker 5: He's also leads a league in empty dropbacks. Like that's

464
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Speaker 5: their offense is just let's put Mac in the gun,

465
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Speaker 5: let them survey the field pre snap and make a

466
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Speaker 5: quick decisive decision with the football. But they just don't

467
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Speaker 5: have anybody special to then do anything with the ball

468
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Speaker 5: when he throws it to them. So it's five yards here,

469
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Speaker 5: it's six yards there, and then they're tackled.

470
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Speaker 9: The one I really like is Evan talking about how

471
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Speaker 9: they're running the ball, you know, like the schemes and

472
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Speaker 9: you know, would you say inside zones and whatnot, and

473
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Speaker 9: it's a muddied mess. I think you said because politely.

474
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Speaker 9: They don't want to be They don't want to be

475
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Speaker 9: leading the league in pass attempts. They don't that's not

476
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Speaker 9: how they want to play. So they have to figure

477
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Speaker 9: out a way to more efficiently run the ball. It's

478
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Speaker 9: it's pretty simple. They don't want to be leading the

479
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Speaker 9: league in pass attempts. They don't have that kind of

480
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Speaker 9: an offense.

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

482
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Speaker 5: I have not gotten a good answer on two things

483
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Speaker 5: when it comes to the run game over the last

484
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Speaker 5: two years. One where did the full back go? And

485
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Speaker 5: why is this such a big vendetta against full backs? Now,

486
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Speaker 5: you had a full back for twenty years.

487
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Speaker 9: But now that I told you about this too, It's

488
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Speaker 9: like when Josh left, I had a conversation with someone

489
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Speaker 9: who excoriated Josh's need quote unquote for a fullback and

490
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Speaker 9: just went for ten minutes like, we don't we moving

491
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Speaker 9: on from that, we don't want that. And I just

492
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Speaker 9: looked at as like, well, well why, Yeah. They just

493
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Speaker 9: felt like it was too predicting. And this was not

494
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Speaker 9: a member of the coaching staff. Let me stress that

495
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Speaker 9: this was not a member of the coaching staff. It

496
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Speaker 9: was somebody who works for the Patriots football but not

497
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Speaker 9: a member of the coaching staff, and he just said,

498
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Speaker 9: there's too much of a predictor. You know, they just

499
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 9: felt like they were too predictable. When the fullback was

500
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Speaker 9: on the field, it was indicating run and it limited

501
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Speaker 9: what you could do. But I kind of think that

502
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Speaker 9: maybe you need to eliminate the full back wasn't necessarily accurate.

503
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Speaker 9: It was maybe to find a different kind of full back.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one that can catch that.

505
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Speaker 4: They kind of eliminated the third down back two.

506
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Speaker 5: I don't know if that was on purpose.

507
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that that Yeah, that wasn't definitely on purpose,

508
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Speaker 4: but they didn't do anything this year about it. I

509
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: mean time Ontcomery is a receiver, a guy.

510
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pierre Strong, I think they tried to a touchdown.

511
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Speaker 4: You had a touchdown last night.

512
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Speaker 5: What happened to the full back?

513
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Speaker 6: Why?

514
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Speaker 5: Why are we anti full back all of a sudden

515
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Speaker 5: After running the ball behind a full back for twenty

516
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Speaker 5: years successfully, we now don't like full back? And what

517
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 5: happened to the gap schemes? Like so, duo is a

518
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 5: gap scheme, but it's a double team. You have two

519
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 5: double teams by on the interior. There's not really a

520
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 5: whole lot working up to the second level and duo

521
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Speaker 5: the second level. You're supposed to your running back is

522
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Speaker 5: supposed to manipulate the second level and make the linebacker miss.

523
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Speaker 5: But the Patriots old scheme was a downhill, gap oriented

524
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 5: run scheme where if you didn't have the fullback, you

525
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 5: were using pulling guards, so you'd have Shaq Mason pulling

526
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Speaker 5: through the whole, Joe Toney pulling through the hole and

527
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Speaker 5: leading the way for these running backs Mike Onnwenu in

528
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one doing the same thing. They have gone

529
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Speaker 5: away from the downhill run scheme. They have gone away

530
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Speaker 5: from the full back to be this more spread offense,

531
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Speaker 5: and they don't have the personnel, Like I just really

532
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Speaker 5: don't feel like they have the personnel to do that effectively,

533
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Speaker 5: at least not yet. And I don't know why they

534
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Speaker 5: don't just go back to it, Like it's not like

535
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Speaker 5: O'Brien doesn't know how to coach it, like he knows

536
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Speaker 5: how to coach everything. I don't know why they had

537
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Speaker 5: to completely which that entire thing for what they're doing now,

538
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 5: which is just not working. Yeah, right period, Yeah, okay

539
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 5: for two years now.

540
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Speaker 1: It's I mean fair enough, you know, whatever they're doing, right,

541
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Speaker 1: now hasn't hasn't resulted in in a win, you know,

542
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Speaker 1: a win or like Paul said, you know explosive plays,

543
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Speaker 1: you know they what was it? The biggest play is

544
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Speaker 1: twenty two yards and said it happened.

545
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Speaker 9: I had a thirty two yard screen pass to Ormandri Stevenson,

546
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Speaker 9: which was when they were down two school they were

547
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Speaker 9: down eleven in the twelve whatever eleven maybe in the

548
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Speaker 9: fourth quarter of eleven.

549
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Speaker 8: I you know, one thing I just thought about for

550
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Speaker 8: the group maybe to consider you know Vic Fangio's thing,

551
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Speaker 8: cover two right, take away the big plays, I mean,

552
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Speaker 8: anything into that of why the Patriots weren't more aggressive downfield.

553
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Speaker 9: I thought that they took some shots and quite frankly,

554
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Speaker 9: I thought, you know, the more I watched the play,

555
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Speaker 9: I don't understand how Kendrick Bowne didn't catch that pass.

556
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Speaker 9: I thought that was a really good throw.

557
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 5: Mac me too.

558
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 9: On the first deep ball down the left sideline heading

559
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 9: toward the the opposite end of the lighthouse, it was

560
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 9: coming toward us in the press box. I thought that

561
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Speaker 9: he had a chance to make a play on that ball.

562
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Speaker 9: Inexplicably he only put one hand out.

563
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Eli Apple had his other arm, but kind of

564
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 5: you think, so he reached for it, but I I

565
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: think that a good risk. I shouldn't say that. A

566
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 5: better way to play that ball is to then just

567
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Speaker 5: like swipe Eli Apple's hand out of the way through

568
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Speaker 5: the contact and and then go up with two hands.

569
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Speaker 5: I thought that was a dime from I thought that

570
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 5: was a.

571
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Speaker 4: Really good throw. Now he had.

572
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Speaker 9: They made a couple of other efforts to get the

573
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Speaker 9: ball downfield, and they weren't necessarily like the one that

574
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Speaker 9: Kasiki was not necessarily by design. It turned into an

575
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 9: off platform play and he missed you. I thought he

576
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 9: had a chance to make a play there. He overshot him.

577
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Speaker 9: But the one to Bourne that that one in particular

578
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 9: he had another one to Bourne that had no chance

579
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Speaker 9: was like out a bound. I thought that took a

580
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 9: couple of shots. I thought they took a couple of

581
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Speaker 9: shots in the opener. They haven't been able to connect

582
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Speaker 9: on them.

583
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: I think interested in.

584
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Speaker 5: The shots that they're taking, like they're taking these ISO

585
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 5: shots to these outside receivers when they don't have the

586
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: outside receivers that make those plays. Now, DeVante Parker can

587
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 5: but not against Xavian Howard. He can't. You know, that's

588
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 5: been clear for two years, like he can do that

589
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: against lesser corners. But in general, what I was hoping

590
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Speaker 5: from this offense was that there was going to be

591
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Speaker 5: a whole lot more after the catch, Like they were

592
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Speaker 5: going to hit guys on slants and inbreakers with some

593
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: speed and allow those guys to then catch and run

594
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 5: with the football after the catch, and that's how you

595
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 5: were going to generate explosive plays. There's areas offensively. They've

596
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 5: been better on third down, they've been better in the

597
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 5: red zone, and I think Mac has been better too.

598
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 5: But they're not scoring enough points because they can't. They

599
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 5: don't have any explosive plays. They're five to seven scoring

600
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Speaker 5: in the red zone.

601
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Speaker 4: Red zone.

602
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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is my argument from last year. Everybody was

603
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Speaker 9: fixated on their last in the red zone and said, yeah,

604
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Speaker 9: that's the Obviously they're not scoring a percentage of time,

605
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 9: but the bigger problems they don't.

606
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: Get there enough.

607
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: They still don't get there and they still don't.

608
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 9: Get there enough. Now they're efficient in the red zone,

609
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 9: they're just not there often enough.

610
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and last year they were actually scoring outside the

611
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: red zone. I mean Bill even said it, you know,

612
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: and scoring from anywhere. You know. Well, when they did score,

613
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: it was a lot of times it was from outside

614
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: of the red zone. You know. So they've got some

615
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: work to do on offense, for sure. And but I

616
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: will say at their point, I will say that to me,

617
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: my stance hasn't changed since the end of the game.

618
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: It starts with the O line. You know, it's hard

619
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Speaker 1: to judge everything else if Mac is constantly backpedaling and

620
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: has visitors in the batfield, you know.

621
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Speaker 9: And even you know, to you a point like this

622
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Speaker 9: is totally anecdotal. You know, I suppose you could do

623
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Speaker 9: a study and watch all the plays, but like.

624
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Speaker 5: If only we had somebody that does that.

625
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 9: No, but I'm but this is not scheme related. This

626
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 9: is just like you can watch a play and say,

627
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 9: like Mac is sort of throwing the ball off his

628
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 9: back foot. Occasionally he's throwing the ball while while moving backwards.

629
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Speaker 9: Like Fred said, well, the ball's hanging and because the

630
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 9: ball takes a little bit more time and some of

631
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 9: the passes are complete, some of those throws that he

632
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 9: made in the fourth quarter are just like, oh my god,

633
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 9: how is that not going to get intercepted? But the

634
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 9: the flip side of that is, yet some of them

635
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 9: are being completed and then the guy gets tackled immediately

636
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 9: you're looking for yak. Well, there's a reason you're not

637
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 9: getting yack. Not not just because your receivers aren't explosive.

638
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 9: It's because the balls taking them so long to get there.

639
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 9: Really through no fault of Mac, because he's under pressure

640
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 9: when he's throwing it, and he's throwing it before he

641
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 9: wants to, and it's on a guy and now you

642
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 9: know there's there's multiple guys there to make a tackle

643
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 9: before you can even get a chance to.

644
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do any all that.

645
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Speaker 8: I do think I thought Mac had some good off

646
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 8: platform kind of throws. I thought he had some good

647
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 8: throws in this one with guys in his face getting

648
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 8: it out quick.

649
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Speaker 4: You know, I do think he's better this year. You know,

650
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Speaker 4: I don't.

651
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Speaker 8: I don't feel like we need to like blow him

652
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 8: up tomorrow like some that were writing to me. You know,

653
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm not going to say I'm excited about

654
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 8: the offense right now for all the reasons you guys

655
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 8: are talking about. But I definitely see improvement in Mac.

656
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Speaker 8: And you know, I just I would like to see

657
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Speaker 8: him with a running game and you know, give him

658
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Speaker 8: some support. I just think, you know, so many people

659
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 8: are so apoplectic right now, and it's like, well, what

660
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 8: are the steps we can take right now to make

661
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Speaker 8: this better? And I think that that's tangible steps on

662
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Speaker 8: the offensive line. Get Trent brown Back. I don't I

663
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Speaker 8: don't know about right tackle though. I mean, I think

664
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Speaker 8: we can all agree Calvin.

665
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Speaker 9: And Calvin, well, yeah, you could make that move. Calvin

666
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Speaker 9: Anderson definitely struggled the other day. Do you think if

667
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Speaker 9: you know, short of making a move outside the organization

668
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Speaker 9: is there, do we revisit the one you think?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: You know, could could Antonio Mafi be the right guard?

671
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Speaker 5: Antonio Mafi really struggled, Yeah, I mean he I think

672
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: he'd let up a sack on the second play he

673
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Speaker 5: was in the game, something like.

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Speaker 1: So becomes the right guard.

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Speaker 8: I mean possible. They're going to have to figure that

676
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Speaker 8: one out. I mean, I you know, I just think

677
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Speaker 8: if you get Trent brown Back and he plays up to,

678
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Speaker 8: you know, a solid level, and he was really good

679
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Speaker 8: in week one, you know, those the interior guys though,

680
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Speaker 8: that's you know, I think everybody's given a little bit

681
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Speaker 8: of a pass to some of the shortcomings in the

682
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Speaker 8: middle there in that game last week. But you know,

683
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Speaker 8: I think those things. I mean, you got he just

684
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Speaker 8: you absolutely have to be able to rely on strange

685
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Speaker 8: Andrews and the WHENU and you know, I don't think

686
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Speaker 8: it was there just yet.

687
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I trashed Mac last week. Everybody knows that. I

688
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: thought he was better in this game than he was

689
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Speaker 5: last week.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I do too. I thought he was under more pressure.

691
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he handled pressure well. I thought he

692
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Speaker 5: made some off platform on the move type of plays

693
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Speaker 5: that he doesn't normally make. And I thought that his

694
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Speaker 5: footwork was better in the pocket. From start to finish

695
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Speaker 5: in this game, I thought he was ready to play.

696
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 5: He looked like he was ready to go, and he

697
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 5: actually made some plays later in the game in this

698
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Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter to get them back in it

699
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Speaker 5: that I've never seen the make before. That throat touchdown

700
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Speaker 5: through to Hunter Henry. I have never seen Mac Jones

701
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Speaker 5: make a play like that before.

702
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll play the Evan role in the whip like it.

703
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Speaker 4: I hated that play. I don't want to ever see

704
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Speaker 4: that again.

705
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Speaker 9: See I mean, like, but here's that made me a

706
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 9: scared me and I talked a little bit to Zoe

707
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Speaker 9: about it yesterday on the broadcast, goes no, no, and

708
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Speaker 9: I said, so, I'm just gonna guess that you were

709
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Speaker 9: with me, and he said absolutely. It was the role

710
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Speaker 9: throw across the body. He can't do that, especially in

711
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Speaker 9: the end zone.

712
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Speaker 5: But but he did it off script like that wasn't

713
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Speaker 5: I know that's right, that's no.

714
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Speaker 4: No, I know we can't.

715
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that you do this, but like this,

716
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Speaker 5: this this irks me because we can't sit here and

717
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 5: put Patrick Mahomes in the Sports Center Top ten every

718
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Speaker 5: single time he does that. But when Mac Jones does it,

719
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Speaker 5: sit there and say oh no, no, no, no, can't do that, like.

720
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Speaker 9: Oh, I think you absolutely can. There's a skill set

721
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Speaker 9: that's far. But he Josh Allen, but he he made

722
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Speaker 9: that throw a lot better than I think any of

723
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Speaker 9: us expected mac Jones to make it.

724
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Speaker 4: I just think it was just so close.

725
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Speaker 5: But that's how.

726
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Speaker 4: I don't want to see it again.

727
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Speaker 9: I think Alan like because I think that those guys

728
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 9: more often than not have the arm strength to get

729
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Speaker 9: the ball where it needs to go.

730
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Speaker 4: Mac doesn't.

731
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Speaker 5: But what if it's better, what if he's improved in

732
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Speaker 5: that area.

733
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Speaker 9: Then then I'll say, Okay, he can now make that throw.

734
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Speaker 9: I've seen him make that throw about ten times in

735
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Speaker 9: his time as the Patriots. That's the first time it

736
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Speaker 9: was completed. If he's going to like I literally have

737
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Speaker 9: seen that ball be picked off about four times, is.

738
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Speaker 5: That if he's going to see that to his repertoire,

739
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Speaker 5: they need him to add that type of playmate.

740
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Speaker 9: That's a different argument. If you're telling me he has

741
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 9: a skill set now that he's developed that he didn't have.

742
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Speaker 9: I'll be willing to revisit. Absolutely, I'm stubborn, but not

743
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Speaker 9: that stubborn.

744
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 5: I appreciate that, all right.

745
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Speaker 1: So we're going to open it up. Eight five to five.

746
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Pass five hundred is the ace ticket. Hutline web radio

747
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com is the email address for focusing

748
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: on the game passed. We'll get into the Jets tomorrow

749
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Speaker 1: when we turn the page Wednesday. But of course, if

750
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Speaker 1: you know there's something you on your mind that you

751
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Speaker 1: want to talk about with the Jets game against the Cowboys,

752
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: you can you can bring that up any indicators that

753
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Speaker 1: you saw. But you know, I think the Jets are

754
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: what they are, a good defense with no offense.

755
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I you know, I think Breessee Hall.

756
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Speaker 8: I mean, not to get into it, but I think

757
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 8: that this is a threatening running game. Given what I

758
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 8: saw from the Patriots defensive front last week, I think

759
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Speaker 8: I have some concerns about that.

760
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Speaker 4: I also would just say.

761
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Speaker 1: He was mad by the way he wanted the ball

762
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Speaker 1: more and so you know, you got holing Cook.

763
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I haven't really dove into that game how

765
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Speaker 8: they were so you know, unproductive, but.

766
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that part, that part scares me.

767
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Speaker 8: But I also think, like, you know, can we just

768
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Speaker 8: can I just give a little credit to Miami. I

769
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Speaker 8: just going back watching I thought Miami's outstanding offense, Like

770
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Speaker 8: they're just.

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Speaker 4: They're really good, you know, and that's it's just like,

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Speaker 4: what what do you do?

773
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Speaker 8: Like, I know, everyone you know wants the defense to

774
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 8: be this shutdown, awesome defense. But you know, sometimes you

775
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 8: just have to acknowledge that this is a team that

776
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 8: is firing on all cylinders right now here in Week two,

777
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Speaker 8: and they're really hard to defend, you know, and certainly

778
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 8: the Patriots defense has some shortcomings, but you know, you

779
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 8: just have to acknowledge when a team is really well

780
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Speaker 8: coached and has a lot of really good players, and

781
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Speaker 8: you know it's it's you have a very slim margin

782
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Speaker 8: for err no matter what.

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Speaker 5: I have grievances with the defense too, But I agree

784
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Speaker 5: with Mike's general point.

785
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Speaker 1: But yeah, but I.

786
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Speaker 9: Still but my grievances would be the same as they've

787
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 9: been for the last two plus years. When they play

788
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Speaker 9: against a good offense, that's generally what it looks.

789
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they were chasing it the whole night. Yeah, they

790
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 5: looked like they were in a blender.

791
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Speaker 9: That the the the optimism that I took out of

792
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Speaker 9: Week one going against a good offense completely disappeared in

793
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Speaker 9: this one. Ycause that's what I agree, that's what I've

794
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 9: seen for the most part. Now it's one game. Hopefully

795
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Speaker 9: they'll bounce back. They'll face more good offenses down the road.

796
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Speaker 9: Now they won't. It won't be won this week. This

797
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 9: would be one. I expect them to hold the team

798
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Speaker 9: under two hundred total yards because that's what they do.

799
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Speaker 5: They mad it was offense fantastic. McDaniel called a fantastic game.

800
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Speaker 5: He he had a great plan and he called a

801
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 5: really good game. He he had to have known going

802
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 5: into the game that Belichick wasn't going to give him

803
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Speaker 5: the big plays, and they had all sorts of window

804
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 5: dress seeing sideline to sideline stuff, and they just got

805
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 5: the Patriots defense trying to run with them sideline to

806
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 5: sideline instead of up the field. And it was a really,

807
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 5: really good plan. But there's just too many instances for

808
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: the Patriots defense where their overreactions to motions and eye

809
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 5: candy was was really bad. Their eye discipline was all

810
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 5: over the place. And then you just have certain guys

811
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Speaker 5: that I just I still can't really understand why in

812
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 5: these matchups, when you know you're going against these fast offenses,

813
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 5: why certain guys are in certain spots that that's also

814
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Speaker 5: you know, something that is a little bit heads.

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Speaker 9: I want to get into that a little bit later

816
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 9: in the show. I would also add, you know, the defensively,

817
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 9: like you said, you know that with Breis Hall, I

818
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 9: respect the Jets running game.

819
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Speaker 6: I do.

820
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Speaker 9: I think both of those guys are dangerous. I don't

821
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Speaker 9: think I'm worried about the run defense based on Sunday Night,

822
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Speaker 9: because I don't think I think that was more scheme

823
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Speaker 9: related not and I don't say straight up game. I'm

824
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Speaker 9: not taking it to Patriots fans. They wanted them to

825
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 9: run that was the game. No, they didn't want to

826
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Speaker 9: play as poorly as they did upfront. They didn't play

827
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Speaker 9: well up front, but they asked fewer guys to stop

828
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Speaker 9: the run than they're going to this week against the

829
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Speaker 9: Jets because of obvious reasons. You know the way that

830
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 9: Miami can hurt you, right, So they asked a lighter

831
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Speaker 9: box to take care of the running game and they failed.

832
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 9: They Now the guys that failed are going to be

833
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 9: the guys that are out there too. You know it's

834
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Speaker 9: the you mentioned, it's the wise bar More, gotcha. I

835
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 9: know it was in the crosshairs for some people. Those

836
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 9: guys are going to need to play better against the Jets.

837
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 9: But there's not going to be the same game plan

838
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 9: that you saw against Miami. They're going to have more

839
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 9: guys up front, the safeties are going to be bringing wood.

840
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 9: They If they have a hard time stopping the run

841
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 9: this week, then I think you can be concerned about

842
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 9: run defense.

843
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 10: I wouldn't even be surprised if the Jets like lean

844
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 10: on the run a lot just to like limit That's.

845
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Speaker 4: All the can we talk about bar More? Because I

846
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: just am not feeling him that this game, Like I

847
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: just I might my cost. My comp to Evan.

848
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 8: My comp to Evan upstairs was he's Adam Butler, you know,

849
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Speaker 8: and I don't think that's what anybody wants right now,

850
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 8: and nobody wants him to just kind of be a

851
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 8: situational pass rusher guy.

852
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 4: But that's who I mean. He had won tackle in

853
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: the game. He missed a couple of tackles.

854
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 8: He just seems like he's got all this energy, but

855
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 8: he doesn't know to go to the right spot to

856
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 8: make the play. And you know, I'm just I'm disappointed,

857
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 8: you know, I just I watched him. I mentioned him

858
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 8: as a guy that you know needs to be able

859
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 8: to get in the backfield. Paul, you mentioned about how

860
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 8: fast Tua gets the ball out.

861
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Speaker 4: You know, there has to be a way to disrupt

862
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: the quarterback. I mean, talking to Covington.

863
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 8: Last week, it's like, no matter who we play, we

864
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 8: have to find a way to.

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Speaker 4: Disrupt the quarterback.

866
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Speaker 8: And even if two was getting the ball out in

867
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Speaker 8: two seconds, there has to be a way to get

868
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Speaker 8: at least him. And they did it on a couple

869
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 8: of plays where you know, it was like a late

870
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 8: shift kind of thing. Somebody comes, somebody doesn't offensive line

871
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 8: is a little bit uncertain, and it forced Two to

872
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 8: make a quick, bad throw not obviously not enough.

873
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Speaker 4: I think what he had like six and completions old game.

874
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Speaker 4: But I just bar Moore is one.

875
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 8: I am really disappointed and why again, he just doesn't

876
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 8: He's just he looks like Adam Butler to me.

877
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: He's got all this energy, but not really that productive.

878
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: I thought that the lack of pass rush was more

879
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 5: on the secondary and the game plan than the actual

880
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 5: I am confident that the Patriots have good pass rushers.

881
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: That's one of the things that I think that we

882
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: can all say, Judean ouch Uh. Those guys can get

883
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: after the quarterback. We saw that in Week one. I

884
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 5: think they can do that. They were terrified of Miami's speed.

885
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: They just worked. They were terrified of Miami's speed. They

886
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 5: came out in that three deep safety look and they

887
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 5: were eight yards off the ball in the entire game,

888
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: and there just wasn't enough resistance on the receivers underneath

889
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 5: off the line of scrimmage. And if you don't jam

890
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 5: those types of guys, if you don't disrupt the routes

891
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: and the timing of the routes, then two is going

892
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: to get the ball out in two seconds, and that's

893
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: what happened.

894
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 9: And I thought it was weird, Like the Dietrich wise

895
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 9: comment about you know, someone asked him about being and

896
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 9: five against two and he's done nothing special against us.

897
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 9: I'm paraphrasing the words special not special. Was definitely part

898
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 9: of what he said. He's done nothing special or he's

899
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 9: he's not doing anything special. You know, stuff like that,

900
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 9: which I find really odd because have they ever made

901
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 9: to I mean, the five games that they want. You

902
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 9: could make an argument that Tua didn't win any of

903
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 9: the five games. I would argue against that, but you

904
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 9: could make the argument that Tua himself didn't go out

905
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 9: and rip them apart in any of the five wins.

906
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 9: Did they ever make Tua look bad in any of

907
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 9: the five games?

908
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 5: No, not even when Brian Flores was the interception they

909
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 5: got here.

910
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm not.

911
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 9: Talking about he never made a bad play. But did

912
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 9: they ever make him look bad? Like on Sunday? He

913
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 9: never looked bad for one second of that game.

914
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 10: Noe, Like he didn't like I feel like Jalen Hurts

915
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 10: stuff only was like uncomfortable and like.

916
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, he had some things to be perfect perfect example

917
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 9: they had. They had Jalen Hurts off his game the

918
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 9: for the most part of in that game I never

919
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 9: saw I don't really remember even like the the interception

920
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 9: and he like the whole game, he said, we're not

921
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 9: going to do that. We're not going to take that's

922
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 9: what they want us to do. That's what And then

923
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 9: finally he's ten yards in the clear and he says,

924
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 9: there it is.

925
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: I got one.

926
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 9: And Gonzales, well, first of all, he made a terrible throw.

927
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 9: But Gonzalez makes a great play to come over and

928
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 9: high point.

929
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: Can't just give him Gonzales a compliment?

930
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: Did you hear me on Gonzales during the game on

931
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: it was a terrible throw?

932
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 9: Absolutely, What did I say during the game, Don't don't

933
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 9: be disingenuous, you just say it like a big man.

934
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 9: And what did I say about Gonzales, It was a

935
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 9: great play by Gonzales.

936
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: You can't get me on him.

937
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 9: He's my guy, He's barbar was also my guy and

938
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 9: misparing to Adam Butler.

939
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 5: Gonzales in this game was my shining light. Gonzales was

940
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: going out there and going toe to toe with Tyreek

941
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: kill that that was a really, really good performance. He

942
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: had safety help a lot, So just a really really

943
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 5: good performance.

944
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 9: To circle back, I'll put a bowl on the interception

945
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 9: in the same exact play could happen with the same

946
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 9: exact bad throw, and Miles Bryant is the guy who

947
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 9: recognizes as it goes over plays it exactly like Gonzalez does.

948
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 9: He doesn't pick it off. Yeah, he doesn't high point

949
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 9: the ball like that. No, Like he's a six to

950
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 9: two athlete who went up with another athlete and won

951
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 9: the battle like that's because he's that talented.

952
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: That was one of the most him I've seen a

953
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 5: Patriot player make in like three years. Just here athleticism.

954
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 5: He was great.

955
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: Am I crazy to kind of like Myles Bryant now.

956
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 9: Based on that game a little bit, if you want

957
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 9: to give me some Miles Bryant.

958
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: Off the Eagles game.

959
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 9: Eagles game, I'm here. He made one good play in

960
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 9: that game. He chopped that guy down. I mean he's

961
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 9: thirty five yards on the sideline.

962
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 4: That's a tough play. That's a tough play to Jalen Waddell.

963
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

964
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 8: I just I think I think he plays tough, and

965
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 8: I think he's had his ups and downs and he's

966
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 8: you know, went up against Jayalen Waddle, and Jayalen Waddle

967
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 8: went up and made a catch over I'm sure I

968
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 8: don't know I.

969
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: Go up and make a catch over him. He ran

970
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: by him.

971
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 5: We kind of jumped up in it was an underthrown.

972
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 9: Thank you, But I'm saying it was good play.

973
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think I like how he's giving.

974
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 9: The stiff that when he's used correctly, he's he can be.

975
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 5: Really to me, Miles Bryant is like the equivalent of

976
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: like a utility man in baseball, where he just can

977
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 5: kind of move around the secondary and play where you

978
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: need him to play. And they're the perfect coaching staff

979
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 5: to protect that type of player. The fact that John

980
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 5: Jones and Marcus Jones gets hurt in like the first

981
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 5: quarter and they have to put Miles Bryan on Jalen

982
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: Waddle isn't Miles Bryant's fault. Like they had injuries at

983
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 5: the cornerback position and they were thin. That wasn't the

984
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 5: plan going into the game to have Miles Bryan on

985
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 5: an island against Jalen Waddle.

986
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 9: And I'll say one more thing about the defense in general.

987
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 9: Freddie before I know you want to hit those phones.

988
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 9: Tackling was not good, not this game, not as good

989
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 9: as Week one.

990
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 5: They missed eight tackles, but the tackles that they missed

991
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 5: then for some reason lead to like really big plays,

992
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 5: Like they didn't swarm to the football in this game

993
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 5: like they did in Week one, which I thought was

994
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 5: maybe the most disappointing.

995
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: Daniels might have had a more spread out and there's

996
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: more speed on that team, you know.

997
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: I just.

998
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 5: When when Jabriel Peppers misses a tackle in the backfield

999
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 5: and then that run still gain gains eight yards like that,

1000
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 5: that to me is pursuit and like hustle to the football.

1001
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 8: I was disappointed Juwan Bentley in this game, and I

1002
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 8: feel like I annually have one of those games where

1003
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 8: I kind of, you know, see what he's limited at

1004
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 8: in games that he's limited in. I just I think

1005
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 8: he was, like Evan said, chasing it all night long.

1006
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 8: Just couldn't couldn't get ahead of the play, couldn't make

1007
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 8: those stops that you know, we're kind of used to

1008
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 8: him saying. I hope he needs to have a big

1009
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 8: game coming back, But I just that I worry about

1010
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 8: the veterans up front right now.

1011
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 4: That's you know, those guys.

1012
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 5: Was just to put in a in a bad spot personally,

1013
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 5: I think by the coaches and he's trying to cover

1014
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 5: the flats and stuff like that, and they're putting him

1015
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 5: in conflict, and well, it just what are we doing?

1016
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: Would you say? But because of the threats that the

1017
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Miami offense posed and the way that the Patriots game

1018
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: plan defensively for that, it wasn't a good game for

1019
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: instinctual play on defense because there was so much that

1020
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: you had to like remember on every play depending on

1021
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: the look that you were being given.

1022
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, Fred, because I mean, if

1023
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 8: you're going to come out in you know, a kind

1024
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 8: of what three high look where they're all in the

1025
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 8: middle of the field and then you kind of roll

1026
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 8: the dice out of that, you have to know that

1027
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 8: they're gonna then hit the checkdowns and run the ball.

1028
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 8: And you know, I don't know what they were doing

1029
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 8: in the run game that really should have thrown off

1030
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 8: the defensive front all that much. Like you know, I mean,

1031
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 8: it's I think some of it was just getting pushed

1032
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 8: around a little bit with with those big boys up front.

1033
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 8: I don't know with Bentley, I don't know, I don't

1034
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 8: know what to tell you where where his mind was

1035
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 8: in this, But you know, it's just it's not like

1036
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 8: they're they're have all this crazy motion with their run game.

1037
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of times it's just they're just

1038
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: running the zone.

1039
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 5: Like they run a lot. They run a lot of

1040
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 5: blockers in from the edges, and they have really good

1041
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 5: job of Shanahan's great at this too, of setting up

1042
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 5: angles for blockers, so like they don't have tight ends.

1043
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 5: Just like take Jawan Bentley square right, They'll have him

1044
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 5: come from like an angle and that allows him to

1045
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 5: leverage the block a little bit easier. They're really good

1046
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 5: at that in the Shanahan tree. But in general, with

1047
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 5: the running game and just with the whole offense, I

1048
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 5: thought that they were way over reactionary to some of

1049
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 5: the motions and the different type of things that Miami

1050
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: does with the window dressing and instead of just playing

1051
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 5: your assignment and playing downhill in the run game, they

1052
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: were worried about Okay, you know, now Tyreek's going in motion,

1053
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: and a lot of the plays that they hit off

1054
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 5: of the motions weren't to the person that went in motion.

1055
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: They were sending tyreek on those wheel motions, and then

1056
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: two guys were jumping him and it was leaving what

1057
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: you know, the guy openings in the middle of the

1058
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 5: field or underneath when everybody is looking over at number ten.

1059
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 5: And I thought in the running game too, they're running

1060
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 5: these like split flows and the tight ends are coming

1061
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 5: up across or they're inserting, and everybody is just flowing

1062
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: to the movement and it's leaving holes other places for

1063
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: cutbacks and things like that. And it it just to

1064
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 5: me this was a really poor game in for the

1065
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 5: defense in terms of I discipline, like knowing where your

1066
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: eyes are supposed to be and not getting lurd out

1067
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 5: of gaps and Lord out of space.

1068
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 8: I saw some plays though out of map who are

1069
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 8: not many, maybe one or two, but just that seemed

1070
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 8: to me like he was seeing it better, at least

1071
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 8: from a few snaps that linebacker a little bit he had.

1072
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 4: You know, It's just.

1073
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 8: It's it's hard when you can't see you know, Bentley

1074
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 8: defeat a block and you know then you see map

1075
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 8: who just kind of you know, just get around to

1076
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 8: guy using yeah, like running around blocks, you know that,

1077
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 8: and so you know, you talk about the rookies intriguing

1078
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 8: you a little bit that intriguing with map who I

1079
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 8: still feel like White is he needs to understand how

1080
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 8: to play within the defense. I think he's got a

1081
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 8: lot of and I wanted to I'm glad you brought

1082
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 8: White up.

1083
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 9: Did you guys see like, did he take us? You know,

1084
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 9: I don't want to say a step back, but was

1085
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 9: quiet in this game?

1086
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah he was?

1087
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1088
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: I think so he made the game.

1089
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: He made one play where and this is one of

1090
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 5: the frustrating, uh you know plays in terms of the tackling.

1091
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 5: He they ran like a zone sweep and to a

1092
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 5: the snap is over to his head, so the ball

1093
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 5: goes over to his head. Tua has to catch the

1094
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: high snap and he hands it to the running back

1095
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 5: and Keon White presses the guard ten yards into the backfield.

1096
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: Those two things both happened, and the run still gains

1097
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 5: seven yards. Ye, so Godshow had him the back initially,

1098
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 5: but it's Godshow with all this space and you have

1099
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 5: this three hundred and thirty pound nose tackle trying to

1100
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: chase the chicken with all this space to go in

1101
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 5: sideline to sideline. He whiffs on him and then there's

1102
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 5: just nobody else, and he and the back ends up

1103
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 5: gaining on a play that should have been a four

1104
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 5: yard loss.

1105
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: They gave up seven yards exactly. That's exactly what I'm

1106
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 4: talking about.

1107
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 11: You know.

1108
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 8: It's just like he's all power. He can push the

1109
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 8: guard ten yards in the backfield. But now he's disrupted

1110
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 8: the integrity of the defense and it turns into a

1111
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 8: big game. So I think he's going to be really good.

1112
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 8: I just you know, it's it's that awareness of you know, knowing.

1113
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 9: I wasn't saying that, like, oh, I'm really disappointed in

1114
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 9: Keon White. I just was saying I didn't really notice

1115
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 9: him much in this game.

1116
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: Was he quiet? Was he blocked?

1117
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 8: But you know, so you guys are get I mean

1118
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 8: he did draw the draw the hold, right, Yeah.

1119
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: I drew trying to backdoor his own plays.

1120
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: It's I'd love to see him play more. I mean,

1121
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: I think that's that's him. Just get him on the

1122
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: field more, get him more experience.

1123
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: You'll get more experienced. Eight five five pass five hundred

1124
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: is the a ticket hout.

1125
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: Line trying to bring it back positive.

1126
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll get more experience.

1127
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 8: No listen, I'm I'm good with You got to be

1128
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 8: positive about those three trios the least of the problems

1129
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 8: right now, Can you.

1130
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 9: Just tell you they have about forty eight least of

1131
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 9: the problems, but they're going too.

1132
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 8: If they had just hit three offensive picks last draft,

1133
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 8: and you know, now we got three defensive picks, like

1134
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 8: we would really be cooking.

1135
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 5: Can we just use Marty mop who correctly? Please one time.

1136
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 10: I definitely think to your point, Mike, they're paying the

1137
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 10: price for bad draft class and also bad free agencies.

1138
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 10: Were you pick these players who, like I keep saying,

1139
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 10: are off brand, they're not good enough, and now you're paying.

1140
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 5: The price for it.

1141
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 10: And it's unfortunately now it's like they just have to

1142
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 10: control they can control and do the best with what

1143
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 10: they have.

1144
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 4: Godshaw's the tough one. I mean, I think they've had

1145
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 4: some hits.

1146
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 8: I mean, Hunter Henry right now is resurgent, and I mean,

1147
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 8: you just I can't imagine this offense without Hunter Henry

1148
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 8: right now. But you know, it's just it's God Shot,

1149
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 8: it's too much of the up and down with him,

1150
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 8: you know. And I just I think, as I you know,

1151
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 8: if I do look put my eye towards the future,

1152
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 8: I feel like you.

1153
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 4: Need a guy in the middle.

1154
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 8: You need a big body, a big, dominant kind of

1155
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 8: player in the middle.

1156
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 4: I just look at it.

1157
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 9: It's like, you know the guys you're picking, right, So

1158
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 9: you you take Godshaw as one of the free agents

1159
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 9: and you give him some money, then you re up him,

1160
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 9: and then you still take a Godshaw type player.

1161
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 4: In the second round. And I'm not saying ke On

1162
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 4: White's bad.

1163
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 9: I like Keon Wahite, no, you know, but I just

1164
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 9: might they have been better off you know, taking a tackle.

1165
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 5: Oh, you mean, spreading out the assets to both sides

1166
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: of the football.

1167
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: Right, So this is.

1168
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 5: Like from a big picture standpoint, they they're close to

1169
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 5: what their vision of winning games is. They want to

1170
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 5: win the game on defense.

1171
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 9: No, they want they want to be tough against the run,

1172
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 9: and they want to you know, make plays on special teams.

1173
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 9: And you know, here we go super Bowl, Right, So

1174
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 9: that doesn't work that way anymore in this league.

1175
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 12: Right.

1176
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: And they've held two really good offenses to twenty five

1177
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 5: and twenty four points and twenty five of those you

1178
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 5: know it was really eighteen.

1179
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, for I would say absolutely check week one, not check.

1180
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: I don't disagree, But in terms of the actual outcome

1181
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 5: of the game, of the points that Miami scored, they

1182
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 5: scored twenty four. That should be in theory a winnable

1183
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 5: game for the Patriots still only give up twenty four

1184
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 5: points against an offense that scored thirty six the week before.

1185
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 5: But I think what it all boils down to, which

1186
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 5: is what we've talked to about a ton in the

1187
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 5: fourth quarter of these games, is that because they've used

1188
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 5: all of these assets to bolster the defense to try

1189
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 5: to win this way of you know, in the twenties,

1190
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 5: with great defense and all this type of stuff, they

1191
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: don't have players to make plays offensively when the when

1192
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 5: the car are down in the fourth quarter. So now

1193
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 5: you run into a situation where they're competitive in these

1194
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 5: games because their defense is good, but they're not winning

1195
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 5: games because they don't have enough on offense. But they

1196
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 5: use all the resources on defense. Like all your top

1197
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 5: three draft picks are on defense. Your highest played player

1198
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 5: on the team is a defensive player. It's Matthew Judon.

1199
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 5: And at like what point do you have to look

1200
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 5: at it and say, well, we still need to score,

1201
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 5: like period, Like we can't win these We're not gonna

1202
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 5: win seventeen to fourteen against a team like Miami.

1203
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 4: But against a team like the Jets, you might.

1204
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: You might get that one week reprieve.

1205
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 4: Right, this is gonna be Bill's favorite game of the year.

1206
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: Let's go to Anthony and Seattle. What's up, Anthony, Hey,

1207
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: what's up? Right?

1208
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 13: What's up my people?

1209
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: Anthony?

1210
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 13: Hey, I'm gonna be stubborn. I'm gonna hold out a

1211
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 13: hope on my prediction. And uh, at least for just

1212
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 13: two more games. Well, really, one more game. If we

1213
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 13: lose to the Jets, it's over. If we lose to

1214
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 13: the Jets and then we lose to the If we

1215
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 13: beat the Jets and then we lose to the Cowboys,

1216
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 13: over because you just can't be good teams. And but

1217
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 13: I want to go off my test and and then

1218
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 13: I'm gonna get.

1219
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 14: Out of you guys, out of your hair.

1220
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 13: But okay, we got Paul there and Evan there. So

1221
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 13: Paul I saw a little bit of the teflon Mac

1222
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 13: thing uh after this game, and you know what I

1223
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 13: get it.

1224
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 14: You know, I heard a whole lot of the you know, uh,

1225
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 14: you know, we need wide receivers and we need you know,

1226
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 14: uh uh uh offensive line.

1227
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 13: And we got to run the ball better, and yeah.

1228
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 14: You need all those things because he's not good enough,

1229
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 14: Like you've got to surround him with all of that.

1230
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 13: It's too hard, you know. And I get he's a

1231
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 13: good kid. He works hard, he tries hard, so it's

1232
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 13: it's you know, he says and does all the right things,

1233
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 13: so it's easy to say, like, oh, it's not on him.

1234
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 13: It's not his fault that he's not talented enough to

1235
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 13: overcome some of that stuff.

1236
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say that that that apps is happening

1237
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 9: right now, But I don't think this is a Teflon

1238
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 9: Mac game, like and I've been that that's like sort

1239
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 9: of like a phrase that I sort of kind of used.

1240
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 9: I wouldn't necessarily put this one. I think Mac did

1241
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 9: about what you all you could really hope for given

1242
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 9: the way that the game unfolded.

1243
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: Now.

1244
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 9: I don't think he was perfect by any means. I

1245
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 9: think the pick was atrocious. But I don't think this

1246
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 9: would be a great Teflon Matt, even for like a

1247
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 9: guy like on my side. This wouldn't be one of

1248
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 9: those games like yeah, in like that game against Miami

1249
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 9: when he like, No, this wouldn't be one of the

1250
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 9: ones I would have in the holster.

1251
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 13: Yeah, that that that pick though, That's that's one thing

1252
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 13: I was going to get at. You know, Evan, I

1253
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 13: didn't fight you too, uh too. I didn't fight back

1254
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 13: on it last week when I when I brought it

1255
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 13: up when he threw the one a booty that that

1256
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 13: stopped the drive at the end. But like, I'm gonna

1257
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 13: fight you on it this week because I'm like, it's that,

1258
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 13: it's that jump ball that he liked. And here's like example, what.

1259
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 5: Is he supposed to do? Like, who is he supposed

1260
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 5: to throw it to down the field? Go ahead, go ahead,

1261
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, here's the thing.

1262
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 13: Okay, I'm gonna give you some examples. Okay, with Tyreek Hill,

1263
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 13: the one that threw the tet Tyreek Hill, you got

1264
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 13: two Alphas down there, Hill and Gonzo, so you can

1265
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 13: look at that as fifty to fifty. The one with

1266
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 13: the one that he threw the wattle, well, you got

1267
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 13: one Outpha down there, so that's eighty twenty. So his

1268
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 13: guy came down with it. But like, for some reason,

1269
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 13: I wish that somebody had the kind of kind of

1270
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 13: confidence in me that he has in Devonte Parker because

1271
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 13: he believes there's two alphas down there when he sees

1272
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 13: him and Zavian Hellerton.

1273
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 4: No, he doesn't see. To me, I don't think it

1274
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 4: was about a mentality. It was a bad throw.

1275
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 5: It was a bad throw, and I'm not excusing the

1276
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 5: bad throw. But at the end of the day, I

1277
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 5: told you off the top of the show, they have

1278
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 5: two plays over twenty yards thanks Anthony. Two plays, and

1279
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 5: that's not because of the quarterback right now. The reason

1280
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 5: why they have two plays over twenty yards is because

1281
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 5: they ain't got anybody on the outside who can do

1282
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: what Jalen Wattle did to Miles Bryant. That's That's just

1283
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 5: the bottom line. I'm not going to sit here and

1284
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 5: say that Mac Jones would be an MVP quarterback if

1285
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 5: he had better weapons. I'm not saying that. But you say,

1286
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 5: in that situation like he trusted DeVante Parker, who else

1287
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 5: is he supposed to trust?

1288
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 9: I would just say that all the criticism you want

1289
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 9: to throw for that one individual play, you know, much

1290
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 9: like Tua. I think you want to criticize Tua for

1291
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 9: the pick go. I mean, terrible play, terrible decision, the

1292
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 9: Mac pick on first and ten from the twenty two.

1293
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 9: That's what you thought was your best chance. Like, okay,

1294
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 9: you have one on one down that side. You know,

1295
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 9: pre snap, I'm looking at whatever I see.

1296
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 4: You have to come off of that. You have to.

1297
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 5: I don't disagree because it he terrible all around. He

1298
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 5: in general, he needs I agree with the caller that

1299
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, that's not a matchup

1300
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 5: that favors the Patriots and the quarterbacks got to know that.

1301
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 5: The quarterbacks got to know high that this is not

1302
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 5: where I'm going to win this game. Is throwing it

1303
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 5: t's X on the outside with Parker. That's not how

1304
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 5: I'm going to win the game. But it would be

1305
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 5: nice just to for Mac for a second. It would

1306
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 5: be nice if his receiver every once in a while

1307
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 5: made a play for him. That would be nice. And

1308
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 5: Kendrick Bourne dropped a deep ball that he made a

1309
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 5: good throw on Parker. Can't be that win that matchup.

1310
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 5: I agree with that, But one.

1311
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 4: Time one the Bourne one, I think is in that category.

1312
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1313
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 9: I mean, I remember Hunter Henry reaching behind his head

1314
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 9: to bring in a fourth and twelve pass, Like I

1315
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 9: think this is where I sort.

1316
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: Of get a little bit too far. The other way.

1317
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 9: So I think the Hunter Henry play, I don't think

1318
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 9: you can throw it any better than Mac threw it

1319
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 9: on that So I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this conversation

1320
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 9: with a positive on Mac. I don't think Mack could

1321
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 9: have thrown that deep ball to Kendrick Bourne any better

1322
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 9: than he did. And and the fact that he put

1323
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 9: one hand up.

1324
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1325
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 9: You know, we haven't gotten into this yet, like we

1326
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 9: haven't gotten in any of the drama yet. I think

1327
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 9: this drama bruin too like for him to not have played,

1328
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 9: you know what, half half the plays after two touchdowns

1329
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 9: the first week he plays half the snaps. Is that

1330
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 9: just because his boy Parker's back and he has to

1331
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 9: play one hundred percent of this apps? Or is it

1332
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 9: because they didn't like the effort on some of those plays.

1333
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1334
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 5: His heart riding in week one was shaky, like some

1335
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 5: good rounds.

1336
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: Did you have to think of what Mac had to

1337
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: say about you know, we have to it can't be

1338
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: just a couple of us.

1339
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 4: Us clarified that this morning. I didn't I didn't love it,

1340
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: didn't hate it.

1341
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 8: I would just say to it felt like they really

1342
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 8: were purposeful and trying to get Juju involved.

1343
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 4: A lot of plays design specific me.

1344
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 5: So do you feel Harry Vibes were just force feeding

1345
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 5: him even though he's not one of our better players.

1346
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 9: I'm not sure he would have been a part of

1347
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 9: the offense at all. If they didn't have to bench Douglas.

1348
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 5: Well, I don't didn't have to bench Douglas.

1349
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 9: No, no, no, they they didn't have to bench Douglas. You

1350
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't have been bench Douglas. But the point being,

1351
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 9: I think if Douglas doesn't fumble that I'm not sure

1352
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 9: you see much of Juju.

1353
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 8: If if that's what was interesting to me though, because

1354
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 8: it's like, were those plays designed for Douglas and then

1355
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 8: they just rolled them over to Juju or you know,

1356
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 8: I don't know, it just it seemed they were intentionally

1357
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 8: trying to get involved.

1358
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 9: I just mean, the best player that Juju was involved

1359
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 9: when was an evan off platform play, the role to

1360
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 9: the left and the Sideline. That wasn't a play designed

1361
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 9: for Juju. It was two guys making a play on

1362
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 9: the run.

1363
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 4: On the go.

1364
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: All right, well, Paul's foods here going up break. We

1365
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Speaker 12: Everyone, a very pleasant, good evening and welcome to Foxboroughs

1386
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 12: Gillett Stadium for this prime time encounter of New England Patriots.

1387
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 12: M Miami Dolphins and AFC Beast showdown Stevenson's second down

1388
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 12: and twelve of.

1389
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 6: What's summing of Jones's sacked.

1390
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 12: Three Dolphins get to the quarterback with a jail great

1391
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 12: lad by David Long Junior the x tight hit.

1392
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 16: Yet both tackles get lost here with the Blitz look

1393
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 16: perfect timing by the Miami defense, Max's gonna have to

1394
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 16: extend his count here a little bit.

1395
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 12: Doutless motions to the right to join Yoseki. Two receivers

1396
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 12: stacked les Stevenson in the back of Flitzer's coming.

1397
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 6: A rush up.

1398
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 17: The moment cost little for Tubs.

1399
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 6: Pharsing us in mine off chuck down, Who's from behind?

1400
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 6: Stevenson dimes on it for New England initially, but then.

1401
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 12: The Dolphins taken a the Mario Douglass had the ball

1402
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 12: chopped away from behind and it looked like romondre Stevenson

1403
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 12: had a shot at it, diving car at the loose

1404
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 12: ball before the Dolphins.

1405
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 17: Come away with a turnover by New England and.

1406
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 6: Then screen set up for Wattle right slat spreads past.

1407
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 16: The forties, speaks past the thirty across the twenty.

1408
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 12: Five as he stepped out of an ankle tackle and

1409
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 12: then lost his balance inside the twenty. Eventually hopped to

1410
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 12: his feet and was pushed down by Devi and now

1411
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 12: Marcus Jones is writhing in paid earlier in equipment issue

1412
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 12: for Jones.

1413
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 6: In this case it is an injury. Hot men in

1414
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 6: motion left and then orbit.

1415
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 17: Motion into the Batchelor circles back to the right, a.

1416
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 12: Gift to Poster runs in the left, runs into the pylon.

1417
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 12: I'll hop into the end zone and a touchdown for Miami.

1418
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 6: Gonna get tough. You've gotta get the buy out. On

1419
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 6: the right side, he's got collapse.

1420
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 16: I don't know about four times tonight Gonzales gets pinned

1421
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 16: in right there, and this is Moster sets it up inside.

1422
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 16: He's pompstant. He's done us twice tonight. That's a hell

1423
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 16: of a run by him. Poor job by your perimeter

1424
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 16: trying to collapse that ende. You've been condensed down inside

1425
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 16: multiple time.

1426
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 6: Side. Something's got to change.

1427
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: You need the personnel swarts.

1428
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 12: But again Otomid goes in motion to the right, the

1429
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 12: lion starts to block that way, and then most Are

1430
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 12: runs left.

1431
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 6: He say, let's to viking down inside. You can't you

1432
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 6: can't you gotta stay home. Take the gap Attecrity. They

1433
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 6: talked about it all week.

1434
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: Stay in your spot.

1435
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 11: I'm a rookie Chad Ryland, come on kid, fourth round

1436
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 11: pick from Maryland, who made two extra points last week

1437
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 11: with his first career field goal attempt from forty nine

1438
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 11: yards out near Hashmark Herringer.

1439
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 17: The fellow rookie knee down right hand.

1440
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 12: Extending, waits on the snap from Cardona, Joe snaps the

1441
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 12: back barringer holes Ryland swings the leg kick lifted to the.

1442
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 6: Up Riot heads fucking, but it's good.

1443
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 17: And his first career field goal and the Patriots are

1444
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 17: on the board in a ten to three games.

1445
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 6: We want it turn on to go here in the

1446
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 6: second how go buy a lot? Takes a snap, throws

1447
01:01:59,200 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 6: it right.

1448
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 17: By Hill at the goal line in front of file.

1449
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 17: Down here and toutch down Miami.

1450
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 6: One of the easiest drives you'll see all week.

1451
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 17: Have the Dolphins we have eleven sat against the spair

1452
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 17: as they celebrating the.

1453
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 6: Unzone, stretching their lead to sixteen to three. You've got

1454
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 6: picked a part.

1455
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 16: That everybody until you get down inside the five, then

1456
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 16: you give it up an easy one.

1457
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 6: They will this isn't even about ocean of speed and

1458
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 6: hans off here. You don't even jamming him. He's he's

1459
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 6: he's on the line of scrimmage inside the five.

1460
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 16: It's gotta before we've got no jam on him, the

1461
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 16: most dynamic receiver.

1462
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: You don't champ him.

1463
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 17: He takes the staff, he dropped back.

1464
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 12: He looks down vy Sackoo Jay was there for the

1465
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 12: Patriots along with Judog Matt. Judea will celebrate in the

1466
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 12: red sleeves. Another sack, his second in his many winks.

1467
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 16: Shoo Jay in the middle, foot Cha in the middle.

1468
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 16: Make him more athletic, get him over to the center. Now,

1469
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 16: all of a sudden, you start looking at where we

1470
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 16: don't have a got a block. Now it's a little guy.

1471
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 16: That's jude On off the back edge. But man, you

1472
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 16: push the pocket here ouj tries to get the swim move.

1473
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 16: He got up under the guard and it's him a

1474
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 16: jude On. He's teaming up on ta.

1475
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 6: Tag of my loaf from the gulch cloister to his left.

1476
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 6: Takes a snap. The blots are coming. I throw across.

1477
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 17: I'll take away and.

1478
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 12: Buy dugger a good play on a throw that gos

1479
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 12: there for as you come a streaking across the middle,

1480
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 12: Kyle able to drop knock it away. Jason Sanders most

1481
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 12: accurate field goal kicker in Miami history.

1482
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 6: The Dolphins have had a good lineage of kickers.

1483
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 12: Joe said, He's forty nine yard try from the far

1484
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 12: hash right hash towards the now and flows north end

1485
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 12: toward the lighthouse, snaps to Bailey.

1486
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 6: The kick is stack by Schooler.

1487
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 12: The ball is losing to forty five step by the

1488
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 12: angling Dugger recovers on a block by Brendan Schooler.

1489
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 6: The patrons take over at the Miami forty nine.

1490
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 16: That kick the game changer right there. What a judge

1491
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 16: by Schooler on this. We saw it from up here,

1492
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 16: untouched from the left side, left defensive side. He turns

1493
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 16: that corner gets there, man, it just might be the

1494
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 16: break that you need.

1495
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 12: Max dans In throws it right and I'm all gonna

1496
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 12: be kicked off by Howard, fronting DeVante, Parker and Exam

1497
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 12: and Howard comes up with another interception for Miami.

1498
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 6: I don't what are they talking about. There's nothing what

1499
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 6: they're trying to converse? Where the officials took their fourty

1500
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 6: yard on Yeah, they stepped out of it on the

1501
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 6: field because an interception.

1502
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh now, Miami time out.

1503
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 6: Remember golf for the first two Japan about forty five

1504
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 6: trips to the left.

1505
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 12: Now he'll Springsiang Slam, baked by Tango by.

1506
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 6: Lord, chased by Judi.

1507
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 17: Unload the deep ball down the left side.

1508
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 12: Right now, it's gonna be a setting lifting gun Dallas, the.

1509
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 17: Rookie fix it up the bay.

1510
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 6: She had to take over ten to fifteen.

1511
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 16: I'm sorry, Tyreek Hill is going forward at the snaps.

1512
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 16: This has happened about three times tonight. They do so

1513
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 16: much of it that the referees fall asleep. I want

1514
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 16: to play by Gonzalez, ad jump ball, Wait to catch

1515
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 16: it at the highest point, kid, big moment for him

1516
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 16: right there.

1517
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 12: Wow, Christian Gonzalez, the rookie first round pick. Where a

1518
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 12: forty one and a half bene berda coen my pointing it.

1519
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 12: That's the second time in as many weeks that Gonzales

1520
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 12: has come up with a big play for the Patriots.

1521
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 12: Last week it was a fourth down breakup against the Eagles.

1522
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 12: Now the Dolphins have a chance to distance themselves from

1523
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 12: the past. First and ten from the forty three forward

1524
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 12: cams it off to most sprints straight.

1525
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 17: I had it.

1526
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 12: He's gone because that's one story to the ten to

1527
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 12: the upside like that touch down Miami.

1528
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: For going forward at the motion.

1529
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 6: I'm telling you the hell the run by.

1530
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: Moster increased it.

1531
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 16: His side angle again at this I'm showing it from

1532
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 16: the rear angle here on NBC. But they're moving forward

1533
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 16: at the step with the potion. It's about four or

1534
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 16: five times the forty three yards. No chance to catch

1535
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 16: him in the open field. Sanders comes on for the

1536
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 16: point after trial from the two.

1537
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 17: White hash marks, stamping a handoff.

1538
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 6: Stevens and tucks the Shoulders runs up.

1539
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 17: Coming a lot is getting to the end zone. Touchdown Adrians.

1540
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 16: Quarterbacks trying to fall here, man, I mean these last

1541
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 16: two drives are all on Mac all on Mac keeping places,

1542
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 16: multiple plays alive under duress, tackle for breaking down.

1543
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 6: He's stepping out of the pocket and you need him.

1544
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 6: You need him tonight. He's somewhat carrying you. So the

1545
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 6: Patriots are out of timeouts exactly six six.

1546
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 12: Sick up another contestic catch in the game on the

1547
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 12: line right there, four and three from the thirty three.

1548
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 12: We get dregs left and putting the two Ton ends

1549
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 12: stack two receivers right joints. Jones steps forward to identify

1550
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 12: the protections. Now he takes the step, he back pedals.

1551
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 12: He's pressured up, he said. He throws into the air

1552
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 12: side finger tip catch by Kasiki's reaching out laterals it back.

1553
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 17: Pop by Strange. He's wrapped up.

1554
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 16: He drives col tacklers will put across the thirtieth to

1555
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 16: the twenty nine.

1556
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 6: Seemingly when the first down gonna clock. It got a claw.

1557
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 17: Handred's gotta get to the line of scrimmen.

1558
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 12: Want a heads up, Blake and with forty seconds ago,

1559
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 12: kaz Sicki trying to reach out with a biger tip

1560
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 12: catch and put the.

1561
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 16: Ball across the line again and then plateral's back the

1562
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 16: Strange your.

1563
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 6: First down on the further review, he knew he didn't

1564
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 6: have a play official. We'll take another look.

1565
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 12: We want to catch by Strange and then turning and

1566
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 12: then turning forward kiss and he lands across the thirty

1567
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 12: yard line.

1568
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: Have the review.

1569
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: The runner was down, sort of playing the game.

1570
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 5: The nine line the one.

1571
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 6: I did.

1572
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 12: Thirty two seconds one last time, Tunguo I loa to

1573
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 12: the knee. He is now five to zero against the

1574
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 12: Patriots as the Miami Dolphins starting quarterback.

1575
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 6: The Dolphins atop the ANC East.

1576
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 12: The Patriots now were their first and two stars since

1577
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 12: two thousand and one. They've got to go to New

1578
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 12: York next week to play the Jets and that defense.

1579
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: Rich Stone is the official tire of the New England Patriots,

1580
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: and Bridgestone tires are now on location through September thirtieth

1581
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: at all Sullivan Tire locations. Visit sullivantires dot com for

1582
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: a location near you.

1583
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1584
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: So it's been since two thousand and one since the

1585
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: Patriots started oh and two, but we all know what

1586
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: happened that season. Yeah. True, but that's got hurt.

1587
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, that is word for word what my was on

1588
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 9: a main radio station. He said, you know that one

1589
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 9: turned out pretty well? Said yeah, LEDs got hurt and

1590
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 9: Brady came in and saved the day.

1591
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones. Eight five to five, Pats

1592
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: five hundred. We'll go to Patty and Agua on what's

1593
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: up Patty, Patty, Patti, No too long, Tony and Pittsburgh. Tony,

1594
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: what's up?

1595
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 18: Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call again, no problem.

1596
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 18: So many things to talk about this game, right, and

1597
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 18: you've covered a lot of them. I know you've briefly

1598
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 18: touched on the defense. On that side of things, I

1599
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 18: think good teams on defense make the offense win different ways,

1600
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 18: and the offense is called that bluff when they're good.

1601
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 18: So credit to the Dolphins there. Maybe things would have

1602
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 18: been different if John Jones could have played and they

1603
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 18: could have manned up one of those guys. You know,

1604
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 18: I think the story is just on the offense. I'll

1605
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 18: give you a little something to chew on, where no

1606
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 18: further than the box score first three quarters seven possessions

1607
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 18: zero three zero in the box score, and it just

1608
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 18: has to be better than that. For many of the

1609
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 18: reasons you guys are pointed out. I think the most

1610
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 18: important ones maybe those formations. Smack seems to succeed the

1611
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 18: most in shotgun and then they can't run the ball

1612
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 18: because no one's scared of him passing when they're in

1613
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 18: the you know, in the eye or the single back.

1614
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 18: So that's all I got, all right.

1615
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: Thanks Tony.

1616
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's right about the starts, like you can't just

1617
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 9: give away possession after possession, and that's what they're doing.

1618
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick writes in mass Native Living in Dolphin Country

1619
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: and the Florida Keys super frustrated like everyone else. Seems

1620
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: like the whole world knew we needed a receiver an

1621
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: O line upgrade, and Bill did nothing about it. Got

1622
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: to think we'd be at least one in one if

1623
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: that had happened. Anyway, we're owing two and the sky

1624
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: is falling. But taking a step back. If you're owing

1625
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: two and I told you the teams you lost to,

1626
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: both by one score were both going to end up

1627
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: in the conference championship game at the end of the season,

1628
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: would you feel better about it?

1629
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 4: Now?

1630
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: Ask yourself, how far fetched is it that that's really

1631
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: actually what happens.

1632
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not speaking for you guys, but no,

1633
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 9: it would not make me feel better because that's kind

1634
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 9: of a confirmation of what I've been thinking. They can't

1635
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 9: stack up against the good teams.

1636
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, they don't need to end up in

1637
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 8: the conference championship for me to believe that those two

1638
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 8: offenses are really good. I mean, I think Philadelphia didn't

1639
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 8: play that great. They didn't probably play up to what

1640
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 8: they really are going to be. But Miami did play great,

1641
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 8: So I mean I do think that there's something just

1642
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 8: to be said that, look, the first two games out

1643
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 8: of the gate, you played arguably two of the best

1644
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 8: offenses and most unique offenses.

1645
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 4: In the league.

1646
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 8: And not to make excuses, they need to be better

1647
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 8: against those teams, like Paul said, but you know, those

1648
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 8: are two really really tough, tough teams to match up

1649
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 8: right out of the gate.

1650
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 4: So you know, take it for what it is. Is

1651
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 4: there's no excuses. They got to be better this week

1652
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 4: against an offense that's not going.

1653
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: To be what those two offenses.

1654
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 5: They also made some really really good in game adjustments

1655
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 5: defensively in this game. They came out and zoned three

1656
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 5: high safety and Tua just picked them apart, and they

1657
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 5: they really went away from that and completely changed their

1658
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 5: game plan and basically just trusted their guys to play

1659
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 5: their usual style of defense after that and make plays

1660
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 5: on the outside, which for the most part, they did.

1661
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 5: And I thought that the adjustments were really what held

1662
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 5: Miami to twenty four points. If they had kept what

1663
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 5: to do and what they were doing at the beginning

1664
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 5: of the game, then Miami would have scored forty.

1665
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 9: So you don't think poor execution did that like maybe,

1666
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean they missed two field goals, the

1667
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 9: second one after you drop a snap for no reason,

1668
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 9: like it's third in less than a yard. You drop

1669
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 9: a snap and then you have to kick a fifty

1670
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 9: five yard field goal and that's why you miss it.

1671
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were otherwise like perfect.

1672
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's like any team perfect the whole

1673
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 4: game with everything, like you know, you do some mistake.

1674
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 9: Like I would push back against the perfect. I think

1675
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 9: they dropped passes. I think they missed some plays, and

1676
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 9: I think the one that you were talking about with

1677
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 9: Tyreek Hill, to me, I think could have been a

1678
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 9: big play. I think the Patriots did enough to hang

1679
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 9: on defensively. Yeah, that's the probably the best compliment I

1680
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 9: can give the Patriots defensively is they did enough to

1681
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 9: hang on. But I think the same performance is generally.

1682
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 9: I think they allowed a thirty point game. I think

1683
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 9: the other team, you know, not being prepared and missing

1684
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 9: out on special teams cost them six points minimum. I

1685
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 9: would say even more because I think the fumbled snap

1686
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 9: was like that can't happen, Like that's not not playing perfect,

1687
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 9: that's playing I wanted. I knew I had something I

1688
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 9: wanted to ask you guys. I random stream of consciousness

1689
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 9: in the I don't know if you guys saw this,

1690
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 9: but in the game book, after the fourth down, the

1691
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 9: lateral play, there was fifty one seconds left and there

1692
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 9: was two kneel downs. One of them says fumble play aboarded.

1693
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 4: Did he fumble another snap?

1694
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: He did?

1695
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, they talked about de Marcus Covington talked about it.

1696
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: They were talking about that's why you hit the center,

1697
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: even on kneel downs, because you never know what's going

1698
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah. I didn't get it, but yeah, he

1699
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: did fumble it.

1700
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 5: But I'm not trying to say that the defense.

1701
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 9: No, I wasn't suggesting that you did. I was just

1702
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 9: saying I think that the adjustments were wherever.

1703
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: I think the defense played well enough, But.

1704
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 4: I don't I do.

1705
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 9: I think if you play like that against that offense,

1706
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 9: you're gonna lose nine times out of ten. I think

1707
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 9: you're going to get thirty on you nine times out.

1708
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 5: I think if you play like that with the way

1709
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 5: that you need to win football games, and that's all

1710
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 5: they could do, that's all they could do, right what

1711
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 5: they did. I agree, But I think at the bottom

1712
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 5: line is is you gave up twenty four points and

1713
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 5: you needed twenty five to win, and they can't score

1714
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 5: twenty five, right, like, and that's the band plan.

1715
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 4: I would say this is where I'm going to be

1716
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 4: on Pro Patriot.

1717
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 19: Like.

1718
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 9: I think that they played him the only way you

1719
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 9: can possibly play them. You can't let them run free

1720
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 9: and throw bombs, and they didn't.

1721
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: I think that Jonathan jones injury was tough, and it

1722
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: just shows the depth. They don't have a lot of depth.

1723
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 4: It's a house of cards had a lot of spots,

1724
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 4: so when.

1725
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: One guy like that goes down, it really does affect

1726
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: really Like.

1727
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 9: The only position group that I feel fine about regardless

1728
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 9: is safety. I think that they can lose the safety

1729
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 9: or two. I wouldn't want to see dugg Er leave,

1730
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 9: but I think that if you put Adrian Phillips into

1731
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 9: a bigger role, there's not a huge drop off. Jalen

1732
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 9: Mills and Adrian Phillips haven't played a ton in the

1733
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 9: first two games. I feel fine with those guys on

1734
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 9: the field.

1735
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 8: Phillips seems like he's more special teams right now. Cody

1736
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 8: Davis out, I mean, it seems like that's kind of

1737
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 8: what his role has transitioned to, being kind of the core.

1738
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 4: Twhy I had them on my surprise cut list.

1739
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 5: If you recall to be fair though to them at corner,

1740
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 5: they're now down all three Joneses. Yeah, so yeah, take

1741
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 5: you take away three corners from anybody's cornerback room, and

1742
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 5: you're going to start to have some depth issues.

1743
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,839
Speaker 1: Right Sam and Halifax. I really like the postgame podcast

1744
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: and Evans upon further review, right up, I found them

1745
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: both to be well balanced and informative. I definitely catch

1746
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: myself falling into the mac apologist camp at times, and

1747
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: I'll say that so far this season, I think Mac

1748
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: has been good ish. He's had some plays that definitely

1749
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: stand out compared to his first two years, I feel,

1750
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: especially given some of the old line issues and skill

1751
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: position players on the field, but with some real bad

1752
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: throws in both games that just make you question his arm.

1753
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: My question is to do with the benching of Pop Douglas.

1754
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: You discussed your thoughts postgame about the benching rookies after

1755
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: fumbling rule. Bill has and question it given Douglas' skill

1756
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: set compared to the other guys out there. Bill has

1757
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: lots of these quirks. Is this unwritten rule or behavior

1758
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: the most frustrating or does something else come to mind?

1759
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 9: No, the mostrust drafting that he thinks that running the ball,

1760
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 9: playing good special teams is the formula to success.

1761
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 4: There's plenty, there's plenty of that.

1762
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 8: I mean, I just think it's unfortunate if they did

1763
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 8: have all those plays kind of planned for Pop Douglas and.

1764
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 4: Then they ended up going to Juju.

1765
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 5: What what different place?

1766
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 4: You know, like, how many if you had gotten Pop

1767
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 4: Douglas that many touches? I mean that what did Juju

1768
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,520
Speaker 4: end up with? I mean just a couple of five catches.

1769
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 8: Twenty eight yards? You know, might you might have got

1770
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 8: a little something I would have liked to see popping that.

1771
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't, But I just like I'm gonna give

1772
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 9: them a little defending Again. I don't think the plan

1773
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 9: was that, like you fall down seventeen to three, you're

1774
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 9: chasing two scores the entire second half, you're game plan.

1775
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 9: And I even think some of those plays to Juju

1776
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 9: weren't necessarily is not like we got to get Juju

1777
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 9: the ball. There was that little bubble screen that was yep,

1778
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 9: and that was to me, that's a to Mario Douglas.

1779
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: Play Tony writes, saying, I feel like channeling my inner

1780
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: Andy Hart channeling his inner Edward G. Robinson and the

1781
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: Ted Commandments. Who is your Messiah?

1782
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 4: Now's yeah? I seen Andy credit for that.

1783
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: I seem to recall the great Billy O'Brien had some

1784
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: guy at quarterback, Edward Brady or Patrick who won the

1785
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: AFC East Division and even the AFC Championship prior to

1786
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: the great offensive coordinators arrival. Oh, he might have even

1787
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. I think even the Great Billy

1788
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: O'Brien needs players, including an O line, to execute his plays.

1789
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: It's all about the players, or at least a very

1790
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: large part, and the Patriots simply don't have the players,

1791
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: haven't had them for a few years and won't for

1792
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 1: a while.

1793
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 5: I agree with the emailer, like I said at the

1794
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 5: top of the show, it's the same pig with nicer

1795
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 5: shoes and nicer lipstick on it, Like it's the same

1796
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 5: personnel in terms of the middling personnel. It's just that

1797
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 5: Billy Oh is better at designing an offense than Matt Patricia.

1798
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 4: He makes it look better.

1799
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, But to Evan's point, and if you don't want

1800
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 9: to depress yourself, don't do this exercise.

1801
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 4: I did take the numbers from last year on average

1802
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 4: per game, and then look at the numbers from this year.

1803
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 6: You will not like what you see.

1804
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, I don't do that. I don't

1805
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 4: look at any numbers.

1806
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 5: They don't.

1807
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 4: Don't do it, don't do it.

1808
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 5: Defend them. They have been better situationally, third down in

1809
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 5: red zone they have, and it looks better.

1810
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 9: And I would totally say, like I know that, you

1811
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 9: know sometime, like you know, oh sure, all the totally

1812
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 9: subjective things are better.

1813
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 4: No, I'm watching. It looks better. They have a plan,

1814
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: they have a design. Do I agree with every play call?

1815
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 20: No?

1816
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 9: There was that run that we talked about in the

1817
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 9: post game show to Ezekiel Elliott.

1818
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 4: Coming out of the two minute wanting. I just saw wanting.

1819
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 4: I turned into my mother.

1820
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 9: That was an atrocious call. That was a waste of

1821
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 9: a play. The quarterback sneaks on second one wasted downs

1822
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 9: in my opinion. So I'm not telling you this guy

1823
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 9: knows what he's doing and Matt Patricia didn't. But I'm

1824
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 9: just saying the results are what they are because that's

1825
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 9: what the person.

1826
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: I am going to say. He knows what he's doing.

1827
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: And Patricia didn't, but still you need the players. You

1828
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: need the players Rick and Dallas. I feel like the

1829
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: Patriots have been repeating the same cycle the last few years.

1830
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: They start the season with a solid defense but no

1831
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: game changers on offense, lose games the last minute, which

1832
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: gives everyone hope when just enough games, doing large part

1833
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: to superior coaching from Bill Belichick, to miss out on

1834
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: high draft picks and finish the season eight to nine

1835
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: or nine and eight. Then in the offseason they avoid

1836
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: big name free agents, use their early round draft picks

1837
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: on defense, and let their best players walk without resigning.

1838
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: Then they start the process all over again. Honestly, I

1839
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: don't see anything changing anytime soon. I hate being so pessimistic,

1840
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: But do any of you see anything changing? I am

1841
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: looking or am I looking at this the wrong way?

1842
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 10: I feel like something has to change, Like if they

1843
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 10: are like under five hundred this year because of this

1844
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 10: personnel issue has to change. Whether it's coaches, whether it's

1845
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 10: more than that, who knows, but something has to change,

1846
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 10: Like you can't just continue to just be eyeing when

1847
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 10: you're coaching to take you farther than what It can't

1848
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 10: it can't.

1849
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 5: It's just it's such a difficult thing for me because

1850
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 5: they have a floor every single year. They have a

1851
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 5: floor because Bill Belichick is their head coach. Like they

1852
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 5: are not going to stink because Bill is their coach,

1853
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 5: and they're going to be in a lot of games

1854
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 5: that Frankly, Miami has a lot more talent than they

1855
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 5: do on their roster. But they hung in there and

1856
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 5: they were incompetitive in the game, I think because of

1857
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 5: the system, because of the fundamentals from because of the coaching.

1858
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 5: But at the same time, like Paul was saying, he

1859
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 5: wants to he still thinks running the ball in defense

1860
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 5: and special teams is going to win football games in

1861
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three and it's not. So that's where Bill

1862
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 5: holds his own self back. But like it, I feel

1863
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 5: like this is always in a pretzel with me. It's

1864
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 5: like they're good because of Bill Belichick, but they're also

1865
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 5: bad because of Bill Belichick, and which Bill do we

1866
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 5: care more?

1867
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 10: Morre and right now with this, they're just gonna have

1868
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 10: a bunch of moral victories where they're gonna be like,

1869
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 10: to your point, Miami's roster is really good and we

1870
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 10: held them to this cool, but you still lost.

1871
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 9: And it's going to be a bunch of What worries

1872
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 9: me is that he thinks that way. Like I agree

1873
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 9: with what Evan said, I thought, like I said, the

1874
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 9: game plan defensively, I thought was a good one. I

1875
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 9: thought the offensive game plan by Miami was better. But

1876
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 9: the reason that I worry is I think he takes

1877
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 9: a game like that and says, did you see what

1878
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 9: I did?

1879
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 4: That high flying that putting No. Thirty six on us?

1880
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 4: But I would say, what's the difference?

1881
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: He still lost?

1882
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 9: Like you think that the way to win games now

1883
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 9: is holding those teams below their average and you can win,

1884
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 9: but you can if you can't score. And this is

1885
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 9: going on now, three plus years of not really being

1886
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 9: able to score with those offenses. He thinks it's great

1887
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 9: because those offenses not getting their career nights against me.

1888
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 5: And you also look at what we were talking about

1889
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 5: this earlier, what he said postgame. Somebody asked him postgame,

1890
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 5: why do you think you guys have gotten off the

1891
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 5: slow starts and gotten yourself into these holes? And he

1892
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 5: said turnovers, right, that they turned the ball over too much.

1893
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 5: And on the surface, I can see what he's saying.

1894
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 5: But at the same time, just because maybe you don't

1895
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 5: throw pick six against Philadelphia? Are you gonna score? Like,

1896
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 5: you're probably gonna There was like a minute left in

1897
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 5: the third quarter when they turned the ball over the

1898
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 5: second time. They had one fumble on the second series

1899
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 5: of the game. That's why you fell behind seventeen to three, right,

1900
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 5: because the Dolphins then went like eighty five yards off

1901
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 5: of that fumble. Right, Which is another thing that's not

1902
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 5: exactly like not all turnovers are created equals, you know,

1903
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 5: like sometimes you give up a fumble.

1904
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 9: Okay, maybe you took points off the board. Maybe you

1905
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 9: would have got a field goal there and ends up

1906
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 9: being a ten point swing, but you can still stop them. Yeah,

1907
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 9: liked't they didn't go that touchdowns right because of the

1908
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 9: fumble to him. Those are their margins though, right, are

1909
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 9: like if we don't if we don't turn the ball over,

1910
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 9: we don't throw an interception. You know, where is that

1911
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 9: the twenty three years something like that that macked through

1912
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 9: the interception of Parker.

1913
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 4: Terrible.

1914
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 5: If you don't have those two turnovers, Like even if

1915
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 5: you give give give us ten points on those two drives,

1916
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 5: a field goal and a touchdown because of two turnovers,

1917
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 5: there's the game, right, And that's the way that he's

1918
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 5: presenting it. At least I don't know if that's actually

1919
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 5: how he feels, but that's the way.

1920
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 9: I think that is how he feels, and I think

1921
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 9: he completely ignores those plays from the other side. Yeah,

1922
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 9: like I said, with the fumbled snap, which had nothing

1923
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 9: to do like to me, at least the Brendan school

1924
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 9: of blocked field goal, that's entirely on the Patriots. Wonderful scheme,

1925
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 9: even better execution to block a field goal, fumbling a

1926
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 9: snap on third and an inch when they get the

1927
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 9: inch and the game is over and they're just gonna

1928
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 9: be you have to use your timeouts now, and now

1929
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 9: you're gonna end up kneling on the ball. That's the

1930
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 9: only reason why you got the ball back, not because

1931
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 9: of some wonderful play that they made. He doesn't look

1932
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 9: at it that way.

1933
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: Though, Colin Denver, I feel like you need to refocus.

1934
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: So here goes my rant, and I mean it with

1935
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 1: the best intentions. Members of the show spend the majority

1936
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: of last week being defend of their takes on the

1937
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: Patriots rather than talking about the Dolphins. Why did you

1938
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: even mention Van Ginkl, Xavier Howard or vic Fangio barely

1939
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: any mention of Armstead being out. I come here to

1940
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on the last week's game on Tuesday,

1941
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 1: in a preview of the next week's game on Wednesday

1942
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: and Thursday. Let's complaining about people calling you negative on Twitter.

1943
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: More football, please.

1944
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 5: You didn't listen to Catch twenty two.

1945
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 9: Also Thoughts on Hill, he also didn't listen to the

1946
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 9: first hour. I don't think anybody talked about being defensive

1947
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 9: about their takes.

1948
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 4: The whole first hour was strictly football the game.

1949
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 9: Also, Thoughts and Mike talked about vic Fangio's too deep defense.

1950
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: Thoughts on Hill, of all people calling Patriots fan terrible

1951
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: people ironic, don't you think?

1952
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 5: Oh so now we care about what other people say.

1953
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 4: Right now you know how it works, and he is

1954
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 4: a terrible person.

1955
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: Let's see Jack and and Aba as a fundamental At

1956
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: a fundamental level, football reduces to a basic proposition, can

1957
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 1: your guy philosophically defeat brute force, speed, quickness, or guile

1958
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: the man across the line of scrimmage from him. After

1959
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: the Dolphins game, we can see that the Patriots simply

1960
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: aren't good enough to beat the guys across the line

1961
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. How did the Patriots end up in this predicament?

1962
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: How did the Patriots get out of this predicament draft better? Yeah?

1963
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 4: I think you just have to get It's funny, you know,

1964
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 4: I wonder, you know, like he game it out a

1965
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 4: little bit.

1966
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 8: You know, it's funny you kind of stuck with with

1967
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 8: Bill and his floor and you know, I just I wonder, like,

1968
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 8: you know, when they finally do turn it over and

1969
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 8: you know it might be a couple of rough years

1970
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 8: as you're you know, trying to rebuild the roster and

1971
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 8: in the mold of the new head coach, how how's

1972
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 8: that gonna fly? How are three four win seasons gonna

1973
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 8: fly during the during the rebuild.

1974
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 4: Not I'm not saying this to say we can't fire,

1975
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 4: hes gonna get just so you know.

1976
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 9: I say I would not say a three or four

1977
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 9: win season is acceptable with with the new coach, Like

1978
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 9: why what you know, why.

1979
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 4: Do you have to do that?

1980
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 9: Like those are the teams, but those are the teams

1981
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 9: that are sort of losing purpose that win three and

1982
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 9: four games like Arizona.

1983
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 5: It just is a question of again, you know what

1984
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 5: I said, this is the mental pretzel. I walk myself

1985
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 5: into all the time, is that he's the reason why

1986
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 5: you have this like eight or nine win floor, but

1987
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 5: he's also the reason why you're you know, he's holding

1988
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 5: them back in other areas. And it goes back to

1989
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 5: Paul's you know, just said change philosophy. That's how they're

1990
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 5: going to get out of this. And at what point

1991
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 5: in time is he going to look at not just

1992
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 5: like the game evolving and all that kind of stuff,

1993
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 5: but just look at every single week the Patriots go

1994
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 5: into the matchup and they have an offense that is

1995
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 5: worse than the offense that they are facing just in

1996
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,879
Speaker 5: terms of personnel every week last week, how many Eagles

1997
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 5: do you draft in a draft on offense before you

1998
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 5: draft the first Patriots offensive player?

1999
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 4: Oh god, probably at least eight or nine when you.

2000
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 5: Think about the quarterback, the two receivers Dallas got right,

2001
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 5: and probably the offense probably all five offense, maybe four

2002
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 5: out of five offensive line. So at what point are

2003
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 5: we going to look at it? And and the Eagles

2004
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 5: have done this while also still maintaining a good defense,

2005
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 5: Like it's not like the Eagles defense is crap because

2006
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 5: they've spent all of their resources on offense, and then

2007
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 5: you go into net last week and they have two

2008
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 5: all world receivers that are in a different ballpark than

2009
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 5: anybody on your roster. And at what point do you

2010
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 5: look at that and say, we need to also load

2011
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 5: up like this, like we need to have better playmakers

2012
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 5: on the outside. I mean, this week they got Garrett Wilson.

2013
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 5: The Patriots don't have anybody that's as good, anywhere close

2014
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 5: to as good as Garrett Wilson.

2015
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 8: That's why it's the draft, you know, I mean, look

2016
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 8: at you know, look what Philly did. I mean, it's

2017
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 8: you know, it's right there staring in the face. They

2018
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 8: weren't you know, it wasn't we have an average quarterback.

2019
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 8: Let's go, you know, break the bank and just try

2020
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 8: to get an amazing receiver with them. They had a

2021
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 8: good team in place, and they said, hey, we feel

2022
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 8: like we're one player away. Let's go get aj Brown.

2023
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 8: You know, they had things in place around him already

2024
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 8: that you know, fostered that success. But I mean, so

2025
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 8: I'd love to see the numbers just on how many.

2026
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 9: Guys they've drafted and play themselves well and for like

2027
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 9: the last majority for Philly specific to the point that

2028
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 9: you guys are just making They didn't. They feel like

2029
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 9: they have some weapons on offense, right with with Smith

2030
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 9: and Brown and Goddard to go with the running game. Well,

2031
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 9: they didn't then take the draft this year and say,

2032
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 9: you know what we need, Let's get another receiver, another

2033
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 9: running back. What does Bill do? But we're pretty good

2034
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 9: on defense, so let's go out and get three defensive

2035
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 9: players with the first three picks. And I don't I

2036
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 9: don't mind any of the three picks. If you told

2037
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 9: me that those three guys are the players, I'd say,

2038
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 9: oh yeah, I mean I'm less convinced on Mapu, but

2039
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 9: Keon White and especially Christian Gonzales, I'm fine with those picks.

2040
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 9: But might you have been better served to maybe take

2041
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 9: one of those three guys and then grab a tackle

2042
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 9: and maybe you're not dealing with this, you know? And

2043
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 9: I watched that kid play again last night for Cleveland.

2044
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 9: He does not look out of place at Alton jan Johnson. Yes,

2045
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 9: and that was a fourth round pick, right.

2046
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he fell because it's yeah fourth round, yep.

2047
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 4: So you had opportunities to get that guy.

2048
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 5: They drafted, uh, Jake Anders.

2049
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 4: And then Vederian Lowe's not playing Jake Andrews.

2050
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 9: One.

2051
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 5: I don't get they drafted Jake Andrews. I think there's

2052
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 5: first Their first pick of the fourth round is Jake

2053
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 5: Andrews if I'm not mistaken, and Dwan Jones went like

2054
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 5: three picks later.

2055
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 4: So I think that argument.

2056
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 9: But the Eagles, the Eagles took like they said, okay,

2057
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 9: we have we have enough around Jalen Hurts. Now let's

2058
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 9: you know, we're gonna be losing some guys in defense,

2059
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 9: and that defense is definitely in transition. They're struggling in

2060
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 9: the early going, but they get you know, the kid

2061
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 9: who falls into their lap because of you know, the

2062
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 9: the driving thing at Georgia. He's been really good, right,

2063
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 9: He's been really good the first.

2064
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 4: Couple of weeks.

2065
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 9: And you know, of course Nikobe Dean gets hurt again

2066
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 9: because that's what he did in college. But you can

2067
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 9: still see what they're trying to add defensive players because

2068
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 9: they feel pretty good about the offenses.

2069
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 8: It's the perfect example because it's like David Andrews, one

2070
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 8: of your captains, one of your best players. They drafted

2071
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 8: a center, like you know, and even when you're there

2072
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 8: in day four, like you know, day three, like round four,

2073
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 8: like there's still good players available.

2074
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 5: Jones had had to have been off their draft board.

2075
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 5: For the reasons why he fell to the It's a

2076
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 5: great question because he he was a top fifty talent

2077
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 5: in the draft, no question, no question, and he fell

2078
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 5: all the way to the fourth round because of work

2079
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 5: ethic issues. I think I had heard a report that

2080
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 5: he was telling teams that he actually would rather have

2081
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 5: been in the NBA instead of the NFL. But he

2082
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 5: weighs three hundred and eighty pounds, so the NBA wasn't

2083
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 5: going to happen, so he just decided to pull on.

2084
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 4: A Caleb Williams. Yeah, I don't like the situation there.

2085
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to go this much.

2086
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he he was just he interviewed really oddly, Like

2087
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 5: he just said some weird things in interviews.

2088
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 4: And my backup professional career now if I can't, you know,

2089
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 4: I've got options. We six ' eight.

2090
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2091
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 10: I just think at one point, at what point are

2092
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 10: you going to be willing to evolve? Like I was

2093
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 10: doing a panel with Matthew Slater and one of the

2094
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 10: questions was, like, with being a great leader and wanting

2095
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 10: to maintain your level of success, you also have to

2096
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 10: be willing to evolve in order to be able to

2097
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 10: still be able to be competitive, which your competition that

2098
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 10: is chasing after you. And now it's like your competition

2099
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 10: is not chasing you, they're surpassing you because you're not

2100
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 10: You're not evolving at all. You're thinking, like, my coaching

2101
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 10: is good enough. I don't need to evolve. Even though

2102
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 10: the NFL is changing, They're way faster, quarterbacks are different.

2103
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 10: I'm going to continue to do things the way I'm

2104
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 10: used to doing it. And it's like you can't continue

2105
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 10: to do that.

2106
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: I can't.

2107
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 8: I mean, I just wonder if it's coming for all

2108
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 8: as old men, if we're all going to be setting

2109
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 8: our ways and.

2110
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 1: This is so it is.

2111
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2112
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 9: Maybe that's why it bothers me so much, because I

2113
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 9: know it's I'm looking in the mirror, right, I mean,

2114
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 9: who's more set in their ways than me?

2115
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 5: But I think it's psy frustrating about it. From from

2116
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 5: for Bill is he evolves on defense, on defense schematically,

2117
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 5: they are very very ahead of the curve like they

2118
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 5: they were first of all. Like I know that some

2119
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,879
Speaker 5: people don't like give him the credit, but I personally

2120
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 5: think that Bill Belichick invented the moneybacker. Patrick Chunk came

2121
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 5: back from his first failed stin and they made him

2122
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 5: like a hybrid linebacker safety, and he invented a position

2123
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 5: for that type of player, because.

2124
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,560
Speaker 9: I can tell you he was been trying to do

2125
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 9: that for a lot longer before that, right, But me,

2126
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 9: Tank Williams, who's the agent he brought Adrian Phillips over

2127
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 9: for Adrian Wilson.

2128
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: Who's the guy that they drafted with Pete Carroll. He

2129
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: was supposed to be that nick Uh what do they

2130
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: call it?

2131
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 4: You're talking about the elephant?

2132
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: No, no, not the elephant, yeah, no, no, no, no,

2133
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: it was oh shoot, my wife babysat for his kid.

2134
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: A couple. Who was the safety that we brought in,

2135
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: the big nickel?

2136
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 4: Oh Victor Green?

2137
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,879
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that Victor.

2138
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 4: You know, just so you know, I just went we

2139
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 4: drafted this guy.

2140
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh come on, you remember, come on, Paul, Remember he

2141
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the big nickel, a big, big guy,

2142
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: big Bucky Jones to Bucky.

2143
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 5: Jones, and they and Bill took to Bucky Jones and

2144
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 5: Wade him a good player on the first Dynasty teams.

2145
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 5: And so he he brought Patrick chunk back, and he

2146
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 5: recognized that tight ends were turning into legitimate pass catchers

2147
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 5: and they weren't gonna be able to just put linebackers

2148
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 5: on tight ends anymore. That those guys are gonna be

2149
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,759
Speaker 5: receivers now. And they made Chung a tight end stopper,

2150
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 5: and and that's how that position evolved. They this three

2151
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 5: safety look is something that teams do in college against

2152
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 5: air raid teams. They this is a tight front with

2153
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 5: a three safety look is a college thing. And Bill

2154
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 5: just did it for the first time maybe as an

2155
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,560
Speaker 5: NFL team that I've ever seen on Sunday night. So

2156
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 5: he evolves defensively, he drafts guys, you know, like Dugger

2157
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 5: and Marty Mapu and these guys that can play these

2158
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 5: hybrid roles, and he's got all these different blurring lines.

2159
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 5: But offensively, they just they just don't They they just

2160
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 5: don't keep up with the times.

2161
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 17: And I just.

2162
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 5: But it's not it's not that he can't.

2163
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I think it has to do with personalities. I think

2164
01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: it has to do with money.

2165
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 4: And well, that's dumb. I'm giving him more credit than that.

2166
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think it's like, you know, control of

2167
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: the locker room. Who's going to be loyal to me.

2168
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 4: Those are all the wrong reasons.

2169
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just telling I think that all plays if.

2170
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 9: You're really interested in doing what's in the best interest

2171
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 9: of the team, those kinds of things shouldn't even fact.

2172
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 4: But I think in his mind, money is and who's loyalty.

2173
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I've got guys on my team that you know, it's

2174
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: all me, me, me, me me. That's not going to

2175
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: be good for the team. I think he feels that way,

2176
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I think there's certain players that he

2177
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: tries to avoid, you know, guys he doesn't want to

2178
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 1: coach in that car.

2179
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 9: Would you describe Travis Kelcey like that, I would. I

2180
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 9: think he's sort of a spotlight guy, wants all the attention.

2181
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: So it was Gronkowski but you know, lately.

2182
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't know. I don't hate

2183
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey all that much.

2184
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 9: I'm not telling I didn't. I didn't ask you if

2185
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 9: you hate it, but I don't. I think that he's

2186
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 9: sort of like in that category, one of these guys.

2187
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he doesn't work hard.

2188
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 5: And I don't know if Tyreek Hill works hard. I

2189
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 5: think he's not.

2190
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Kelsey.

2191
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 9: No, but I'm saying, like, what is like, why would

2192
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 9: a coach openly say I don't want that because of what?

2193
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 4: Because he's too good?

2194
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 9: Like he's gonna be good, He's gonna be good, and

2195
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 9: he's gonna want attention. Like no, like if you think

2196
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 9: that he's good. Now, no one wants a lazy player

2197
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 9: who doesn't work hard. No one wants that at any position.

2198
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 4: I don't.

2199
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 9: I don't think it's better to have a linebacker who

2200
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 9: doesn't work hard than it is to have an offense.

2201
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's less like you know,

2202
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: the like outgoing personality more than if he doesn't get

2203
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: his touches, he's gonna complain.

2204
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 4: So what you know, it's your job to keep that

2205
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 4: on the rest.

2206
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 5: I know, but I think there was a little if

2207
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 5: he's good enough too, he should be getting the touches regardless, right.

2208
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 4: But I think it was probably in all seriousness.

2209
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 9: And I know I don't like Tyreek Hill, so it's

2210
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 9: probably gonna come off as well, you just don't like him.

2211
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 9: I think there was an element of that with those

2212
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 9: comments the other night about the fans. You know he's

2213
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 9: got that he you know he I think he had

2214
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 9: a huge impact on the game with his presence, but

2215
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 9: he probably looks at it saying, I gotta get mine

2216
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 9: five or forty in a touchdown, I gotta get.

2217
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 4: Mine, you know, And these fans are yelling at me.

2218
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 4: They're nasty.

2219
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: Here.

2220
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 4: By the way, I wanted to ask another question. I

2221
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 4: have to stream of consciousness. It's just coming here. He

2222
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 4: said the quote they were saying things that I wouldn't

2223
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 4: say in church.

2224
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 10: So badly wanted to quote tweet that and be like, what.

2225
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 9: Would you say in church that you wouldn't be comfortable

2226
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 9: saying outside of church?

2227
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: Right?

2228
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 5: Also?

2229
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 4: Right would you say it?

2230
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 20: Like?

2231
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 10: Also would you be comfortable going in church and breaking

2232
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 10: your child's arm and beating your wife?

2233
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 4: I'm not getting into that.

2234
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 5: I'm crazy.

2235
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 4: What like to me when I went to church? I

2236
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 4: was on my bes.

2237
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: He missed the analogy. What he meant to say is

2238
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:43,799
Speaker 1: he said things.

2239
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 4: Or something like that, but he said church.

2240
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: I said church because he messed it up.

2241
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 10: I just like I did not like how he was

2242
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 10: acting like he was holier than that, Like he's the

2243
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 10: wrong person to be doing that. Now, if Matthew Slater

2244
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 10: said that and said they were saying things to me

2245
01:36:58,560 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 10: that you know you wouldn't stay in church.

2246
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 5: Sure, but no I would.

2247
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 9: I would say the same thing, it doesn't make sense, Matthew.

2248
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:06,560
Speaker 9: The only difference is I would have an opportunity to

2249
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 9: go up to Matthew and say, Matthew.

2250
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 6: What did that mean?

2251
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 4: You bring up a good point? There passed metaphor.

2252
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: A lot of hot dog.

2253
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 5: I will say.

2254
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 10: Paul had a really good one on Twitter yesterday about

2255
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 10: reading book.

2256
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 4: Oh not really, I was just making fun of my

2257
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 4: short book or something.

2258
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 9: That chapter book and that chapter closed and that the

2259
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 9: no that, yeah, I think stuff like that. That chapter

2260
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 9: was closed in Patriots.

2261
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 4: See him in the locker room? Did you ever see him? Also,

2262
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 4: by the way, officially gone officially.

2263
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: Let's get to the phone.

2264
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 9: We're up to date on Patriots mark than ever when

2265
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 9: Ronnie Perkins was signed by a Denver Patriots practice.

2266
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 10: Also one more note, one more note in case Devon

2267
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 10: Godchaw's not at practice tomorrow, baby girl today?

2268
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 4: Oh okay, what's market takes Sunday.

2269
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 12: Off to take all?

2270
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 20: I got kind of a serious question.

2271
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 3: I'll try to make it quick.

2272
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 20: In like the Boston tradition where great players become great

2273
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,719
Speaker 20: coaches become great, great gms.

2274
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, Ara back and what he

2275
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 3: has the best ever?

2276
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 17: But Bill and Brady were.

2277
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 20: You know, something we'll never see again ever. I mean,

2278
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 20: and I would Brady ever consider coming back in like

2279
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 20: a coach's position and have Bill go to management or

2280
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 20: become his like Schenechiar something like that to bring Brady

2281
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:30,799
Speaker 20: back into the fold because he has so much knowledge

2282
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 20: and we know he's a winner.

2283
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 13: I mean this year when we come on, we've probably had.

2284
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 20: About four or five years of this stuff coming up.

2285
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 20: But you guys, ever considering Brady.

2286
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 16: Coming back in with Bill.

2287
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: Great players don't always make good coaches.

2288
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 18: That's he brought us to the seventh game with the

2289
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 18: Stanley Cup.

2290
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, he wasn't a great player, Tommy Heinsen.

2291
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: Tommy Heinsen wasn't a great player.

2292
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 9: Tommy Heinsen absolutely wasn't great play. But that's a whole

2293
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 9: different era.

2294
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Ted Williams couldn't coach hitting.

2295
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think we have a great treatment at all,

2296
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 9: you know, I mean, he's Tom Brady. I think he's

2297
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 9: got I don't think Tom Brady doesn't watched at all.

2298
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 9: In New England or Boston coaching.

2299
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 5: Why would Tom Brady coach? Yeah, oh god, the hours

2300
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 5: and the and all that stuff.

2301
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 4: No way, Yeah, I'd be very surprised.

2302
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 20: Zero and you know, two and fifteen lea games and four.

2303
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 1: And listen, anything you could get to have Tom Brady

2304
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: come back here, anything, any reason, you can have Tom

2305
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: Brady here on for it. But he's not coming back

2306
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: to coach here or anywhere. Thanks Mark, just to.

2307
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 4: Ring the bell. He just rang in there.

2308
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 5: He was fifty five.

2309
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 4: But I went to school with that guy.

2310
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 5: He said he was fifty five, and I thought he's

2311
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 5: Terry O'Reilly.

2312
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm fifty four. I remember Terry Y.

2313
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you were young.

2314
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 9: But he and he also just knows a coach and

2315
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 9: you don't coach, y, Yes, you do as a coach

2316
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 9: in the seventies, right, he played in the seventies, but

2317
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 9: he coached, coached, and he was born.

2318
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 4: In the seventies and I know, but he was as

2319
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 4: a player.

2320
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 9: He was the coach that led the team that finally

2321
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 9: broke the of curse in eighty eight. Now, I would

2322
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 9: also say, as you know, Mike, I like to correct

2323
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 9: in accuracies. They did not go to the seventh game

2324
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 9: of the Stanley Cup Finals. They went to the Stanley

2325
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 9: Cup Finals, where they were swept in four Okay.

2326
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 4: Detailed he played till eighty four, eighty five. I was

2327
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,879
Speaker 4: like nine. I remember, I totally Yeah, I'm not surprised.

2328
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 5: I remember Rayborn.

2329
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 1: Terry o'rally. You're lucky you do.

2330
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 9: He was my Terry O'Reilly was a was a like

2331
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 9: a third third line checking grinder who could fight, couldn't skate,

2332
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 9: but he had some skills.

2333
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:29,799
Speaker 4: He would score twenty.

2334
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 5: Even I know that.

2335
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, Todd's Todd.

2336
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 5: That's true. Hey guys, first game a couple of weeks.

2337
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 19: I know that you probably mentioned it already, but I

2338
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 19: had to ticked my way to the doctor, so I'm

2339
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 19: going to bring it up again, and I'm a little

2340
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 19: bit upset about it. His answer, mister Belichick's answer after

2341
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 19: they asked him, all why didn't Douglat's go back on,

2342
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 19: and he said, yeah, well we had excellent or no,

2343
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 19: we had very good.

2344
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 9: Everybody had good games. The answer was everybody else had

2345
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 9: a good game, but somehow they only sco at seventeen

2346
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 9: points and only had two hundred and eighty yards so

2347
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 9: is the game.

2348
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 19: Isn't a chance that the game has gone past him?

2349
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 19: Because he seems to be really good at coaching situations like, hey,

2350
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 19: look they've locked that field goal that they can call

2351
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 19: up certain defenses and stuff like I can take your

2352
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 19: one guy away and make you play like this. But

2353
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 19: they don't seem to be able to coach a game.

2354
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 19: He doesn't seem to be able to manage a game.

2355
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 19: I think Brady did that for him to a certain extent.

2356
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 19: He kept the ball moving, he kept open on the field,

2357
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 19: kept their you know, their opposing offense off especially you know,

2358
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 19: seems like the cold set back in the day, and

2359
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 19: you know, I think we're just he needs the synergy

2360
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 19: and he doesn't give the offense enough credit. And I

2361
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 19: don't know why he doesn't look at the offense and say, hey,

2362
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 19: I need to have at least X level like a

2363
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 19: floor for my offense. I don't want to. I don't

2364
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 19: get it. He doesn't. He hasn't had that. He hasn't

2365
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 19: seen that. Like when they when they lost Brady and

2366
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 19: they hired that guy from the Carolina that the hairdo

2367
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:01,759
Speaker 19: guy I thought they was just couldn't throw.

2368
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 18: A past by yards devoted Cam.

2369
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 13: I was like, what are they doing?

2370
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 19: I don't don't.

2371
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 4: That's not right.

2372
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 1: I hear you, Okay. I mean when they signed Cam Newton,

2373
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: we were all excited.

2374
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 12: I was.

2375
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: We were hoping that he come back to form at

2376
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 1: some point.

2377
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 9: But you know, those are the bad takes that Paul

2378
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 9: has that no one ever criticized. I'm not going to

2379
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 9: be I'm not going to be high on someone that

2380
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 9: didn't pan out.

2381
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a fraud and say, oh

2382
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I never liked that. I loved that we had a

2383
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: special show for it. I think, right right from my

2384
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 1: back door.

2385
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 5: So I when it comes to in game management, though,

2386
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 5: it's I don't think it's Brady. I think he misses Ernie.

2387
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 5: I really think he misses Ernie.

2388
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 4: I think it's all of it.

2389
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 9: But I also think they had a lot of other

2390
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 9: good players that were like the Mike Rabel types of

2391
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 9: Teddy Brucen types that they were like coaches on the field.

2392
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 4: They had a lot of let me.

2393
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 5: But when it comes to like game management and like

2394
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 5: decision like no pint, like challenge, no challenge like I

2395
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 5: just remember you know, Edelman tells these great stories about

2396
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 5: Ernie and like, you know, Bill referencing Ernie or saying,

2397
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 5: you know, Ernie would do this, and I just who's

2398
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 5: in his ear now, like who's managing the game for him?

2399
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: Now?

2400
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 9: A couple quick anecdotes related to this. Now we had

2401
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 9: Matt Smith and I got a chance to talk to

2402
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 9: Rodney Harrison for another Pats from the past that would

2403
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 9: be I don't know if that's yeah, okay, so it

2404
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 9: is out. So it was about a half a we

2405
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 9: we talked a little bit about and I brought up

2406
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 9: the the I think it's the three AFC Championship when

2407
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 9: Rodney and Tie sort of switched spots in the secondary.

2408
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 4: Evan, do you remember this?

2409
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 9: They sort of, Okay, I know, I know it's early,

2410
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:49,600
Speaker 9: but I didn't know if you've got a chance to

2411
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 9: go back and break down that I wish.

2412
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 5: Now that I work for the Patriots, that's like actually

2413
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 5: an off season dream of mind.

2414
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 9: So basically without getting you know, you know, I don't

2415
01:43:58,479 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 9: want to say things that I don't know what I'm

2416
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 9: talking about. So very simplistically, Rodney went up in jams

2417
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 9: the receivers while ty Law came back and sort of played.

2418
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 9: They more or less switch from corner to safety roles.

2419
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 5: That's what happened on Gonzo's pick.

2420
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, so I had sort of asked them about that.

2421
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 9: It was just something that Bill had come up with it.

2422
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 4: No, we did it.

2423
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 9: We did it on our own, and we went to

2424
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 9: Bill and said we think that we could do it,

2425
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 9: and Bill said, well, if you guys think that'll work,

2426
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 9: go ahead. This is kind of what I'm talking about.

2427
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 9: They had players that were on the field that were

2428
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 9: like coaches, that could understand concepts and schemes and at

2429
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 9: times maybe even knew as much, if not more than

2430
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 9: the guys that were telling them what to do.

2431
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 4: And it worked.

2432
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 9: The other anecdote I'll say is from the last Super Bowl,

2433
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 9: the one in Atlanta that they beat the Rams thirteen

2434
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 9: to three. Do you remember how that game unfolded. It's

2435
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 9: ten to three, Patriots is trying to run the clock out,

2436
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 9: and it's like fourth down in a yard and there

2437
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 9: is this big conversation on the sideline and finally Brady

2438
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 9: just what are we doing?

2439
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 4: Just kick the field goal?

2440
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 9: The game is over, right, like Ernie's there, Yeah, yeah,

2441
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 9: Bill's there, And the quarterback had to say, what are

2442
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 9: we even talking about again?

2443
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,639
Speaker 4: Like Dan Campbell, I'm allergic to kicking.

2444
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:13,560
Speaker 1: No, just kick it.

2445
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 4: The game's over. Once we made Once we kicked the

2446
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 4: oblong big skin through the h we'll all be exhilarated.

2447
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, going back to the whole thing

2448
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: about it that way, how Bill treats the defense differently

2449
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: than the offense, and he favors the defense. And you know,

2450
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 1: just something that came to mind. And you know, like

2451
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:34,839
Speaker 1: there've been guys on defense like Tully Bandacaine, James Sanders

2452
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 1: that he extended from like money, and it's like, well,

2453
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: he's given them a little bit more money than I

2454
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 1: think there was.

2455
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 4: Well, Sanders is definitely one of those.

2456
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 1: Has he ever done that for an offensive guy? Like

2457
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: a guy that he's like, why is he giving him that? Lineman?

2458
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Shaq.

2459
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker but more than this, but more than we

2460
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: thought he was worth.

2461
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, like guards, he's given guards like top of

2462
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 9: the market money and Tuney and maybe to.

2463
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 5: Friend's point, wait, we would not skill guys. They want

2464
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 5: a free agency and Stefan Gilmore it's the chefter right

2465
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,719
Speaker 5: boom Patriots pay Steffon Gilmore massive contract.

2466
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 9: I don't they don't do that if at all, But

2467
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 9: they don't do that often with offensive guys. Yeah, but

2468
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 9: definitely not skilled.

2469
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 5: Now I will say that offensively, especially in the last

2470
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 5: like let's say half decade, you need to trade for

2471
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 5: those receivers, either draft him or te because they don't

2472
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 5: like T. Higgins is not going to be an unrestricted

2473
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 5: free agent, right, Like he's not going to be available

2474
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 5: as a free agent in March, like you know a

2475
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 5: bunch of other players. Yes, I don't think he will be.

2476
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 5: They'll extend him before I think they'll I think they'll

2477
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 5: trade him on the franchise tag or trade him before

2478
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 5: that point. Okay, yeah, yeah, so they they'll find a

2479
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 5: way to leverage that into getting something for T. Higgins.

2480
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 5: That's more than just a compic. Right, So those got

2481
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,640
Speaker 5: you have pretty cheap. You have to aggree. You have

2482
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 5: to aggressively pursue those guys, is my point. In the

2483
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 5: trade market, like Tyree kill A J. Brown, Stefon Diggs,

2484
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:00,720
Speaker 5: like those guys got trade Adams. Yeah, they don't just

2485
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 5: come available.

2486
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 9: Even like lesser guy like Marquis Brown, like you have

2487
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 9: some some modicum of talent at that position, you have

2488
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 9: to trade for him if you want to just can't

2489
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 9: find that sweet.

2490
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 8: Spot of like the Welker restricted free agent or the

2491
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 8: Randy Moss distressed asset, you know, those kind of things

2492
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 8: like they just haven't they haven't really been out.

2493
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 4: There for him to those are his favorites.

2494
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, zach'son Boston. What's up, Zach?

2495
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 21: I got Thanks for taking my call. You know, I

2496
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 21: just wanted to say that I don't think as far

2497
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 21: as the offense and speed, I don't think it's far off.

2498
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 21: You know, back when we had Brady so the same

2499
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 21: type of receivers we always had and we made it

2500
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 21: work with him. So you know, I really don't understand

2501
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 21: that part. But I just wanted to say one thing

2502
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 21: one call, and I brought up Patrick Chung and you know,

2503
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 21: I got into an argument with my brother about Patrick Chung,

2504
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:56,759
Speaker 21: I want to say last week, and I called Patrick

2505
01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 21: Chung a tightening a tight end race there. You know,

2506
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 21: I remember in twenty fifteen when Pat Chung held Travis

2507
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 21: kelce to I think it was twelve yards and he

2508
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 21: also covered t Y Hilton that that year and he

2509
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 21: l t l I Hilton till like twelve yards, And

2510
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 21: I said that, you know, I don't believe that Kyle

2511
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 21: Dugger is there yet. I don't think he can cover

2512
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 21: tight ends as well as Pat Chung did, And I

2513
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 21: just want to know y'all start doing that.

2514
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:27,720
Speaker 5: Well. I don't think that that's a covering tight ends

2515
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 5: is an issue, Like I don't think that that's something

2516
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 5: that we're really I.

2517
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,600
Speaker 9: Don't think Douger is great cover. I also think that

2518
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 9: what Bill used to do is what he did on Sunday,

2519
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 9: Like we're going to limit Tyreek Hill, he limited Travis Kelsey.

2520
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 9: How many points of Kansas City score that night? Do

2521
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 9: you guys remember, I don't know forty forty?

2522
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 4: Now the Patriots scored how many forty three?

2523
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:50,920
Speaker 6: Three?

2524
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, a game winning field.

2525
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 9: Goal because I know block your ears might so Tom Brady,

2526
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 9: because Tom Brady recognizes that we're in a shootout. They

2527
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 9: went over to twenty five and he didn't say, well,

2528
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 9: we tried. But I also just put forty three on

2529
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 9: the board in one.

2530
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 5: Anyway, maybe their weapons now or not or are not

2531
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 5: that far off to twenty years ago at the beginning

2532
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 5: part of the dynasty, but one that was twenty years ago.

2533
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 4: But here's where I have to come clean and say,

2534
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that it was the same game. But

2535
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go game I may not have been

2536
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 4: the game that Kelsey only had twelve years.

2537
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 5: I was very convincing.

2538
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 9: I think I want to come clean before the ship

2539
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 9: before the show as wrong, wrong, Paul.

2540
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 4: They only lost twenty seven to.

2541
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 17: Twenty that night.

2542
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you're right. I think it was the

2543
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 5: forty three they that was the game that they they

2544
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 5: stood up. I think it was High Tower and I

2545
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 5: think Tyreek Hill that was his two hundred year night.

2546
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 5: So they stood High Tower up over Kelsey, and every

2547
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 5: time Kelsey released off the line of scrimmage, High Tower

2548
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 5: just put a forearm into it.

2549
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 4: It's like, I like your favorite thing.

2550
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 9: Yeah No, but I like Patrick Chung, and I do

2551
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,679
Speaker 9: think that what Evan said about him earlier is accurate.

2552
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 9: The changed completely the way they used Chung the second

2553
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 9: time around. I don't think he was necessarily a tight

2554
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 9: end or race.

2555
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: I think Harrison was the tight end.

2556
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 9: If they had if they had Rodney Harrison right in

2557
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 9: the two thousand and six, they would put Rodney Dallash

2558
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 9: Clark wouldn't have done a thing right. I wasn't even

2559
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 9: there for this conversation and I feel like the same

2560
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:23,040
Speaker 9: with me.

2561
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 4: Same with me. I was there either, but it's just

2562
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 4: has become a show thing anytime Dallas Clark or Rodney here.

2563
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 4: But why have to say Dallas Dallas Clark.

2564
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 5: Why do we think that their weapons are equal to

2565
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 5: Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman?

2566
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 4: And I think that's what gets lost in like the

2567
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 4: you know, and the everything. No actually need a wide

2568
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 4: receiver and it's like, well, they could get an amazing

2569
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 4: tight end to that. I didn't want to.

2570
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 9: I know, the guy was a little you could tell

2571
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 9: he was down just about the state of the team.

2572
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 9: So I don't want to jump in even if you

2573
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 9: wanted to decide I agree with you guys. You know

2574
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 9: you're just missing Gronk and Edelman and and the other

2575
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:56,880
Speaker 9: players that they've had. But even if you want to

2576
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 9: make that argument and say it's roughly the same as

2577
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 9: it was in the glory days, how you can just

2578
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 9: sort of flippantly just ignore the fact that you had

2579
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 9: the greatest player whoever played, right, that's the difference, Like, yeah,

2580
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 9: maybe maybe the personnel around Brady wasn't all that different

2581
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 9: than it is now.

2582
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 4: I would argue it is. I would argue Brady had

2583
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 4: far more to work with in most of those years.

2584
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 4: But what's the difference between the greatest quarterback of all time?

2585
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Even three or four, when yes, they had a great defense.

2586
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,719
Speaker 1: There were games where Brady would pass for three hundred

2587
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 1: and sixty yards in three touchdowns.

2588
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 4: Four there was as stacked as you could get.

2589
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: Right, and you know, like so even with lesser receivers,

2590
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: Brady made them better. David Gibbons, what did he ever

2591
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: do when he left?

2592
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 4: You know, like people like that it's bilitating knee injury. Yeah, tragic,

2593
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 4: Actually it was career ended.

2594
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 9: I would absolutely love a Dion Branch right about now.

2595
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 9: Please give me Branch, Givens, Troy Brown and David Patton.

2596
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 9: That's not better than what you have right now.

2597
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 8: Right And that's what you know, to tie it back

2598
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 8: to your point of you know, kind of having to

2599
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:58,640
Speaker 8: go out and get these guys and really have to,

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01:51:58,720 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 8: you know, be aggressive.

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01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 4: And it's like if they hadn't hit on Gronk, who was, you.

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01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 8: Know, himself a distressed asset, and the draft and Julian Edelman,

2603
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 8: you know what would have happen over those last ten

2604
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 8: years if they hadn't Because it doesn't seem like they

2605
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 8: want to go out and get those guys. They just

2606
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 8: happen to hit on them. And then you go back

2607
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 8: to like the drafts, it's like they didn't hit on

2608
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 8: more of those guys. You know, they didn't hit on

2609
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:17,679
Speaker 8: another tight end after Gronk, they didn't hit on another

2610
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 8: receiver after Edelman, and you know, and here we are.

2611
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 10: I still want to know who this comes down to.

2612
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 10: It's like I feel like, obviously growing his team are

2613
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 10: doing the work, but it's like I feel like it's

2614
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 10: not being received, like they're doing the work, and I'm

2615
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 10: sure they have those these great players on their boards.

2616
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 5: And then Bill's just.

2617
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 10: Like, no, I want these guys on defense, and it's

2618
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:38,839
Speaker 10: just it's unfortunate.

2619
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.

2620
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: I think for Billy thinks defense is safer picks. I

2621
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: understand it more. I can scout it better, and there's

2622
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 1: less of a chance something to that, there's less of

2623
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 1: a chance of fail if we take the guy that

2624
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:54,719
Speaker 1: we like on defense.

2625
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 5: And it's just a that they want to win this

2626
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 5: type of way. They want to win, playing the game

2627
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:04,679
Speaker 5: in the high teens in the low twenties, and they're

2628
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:07,560
Speaker 5: gonna count on the defense to carry them. But in

2629
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 5: the defense for the most part in the first two

2630
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 5: weeks has has has carried them. But when you need

2631
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 5: the plays in the fourth quarter and you know, they

2632
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 5: don't have the playmakers for Mac to really go to

2633
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 5: in the game, and they don't have, you know, an

2634
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 5: all World Hall of Fame Tom Brady level quarterback, it's like, Okay,

2635
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 5: well he held them twenty four points, So what good

2636
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 5: did it do. I feel like this is just.

2637
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 10: Getting like stale, and like he can't continue to live

2638
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 10: like this, especially down the stretch when you're gonna have

2639
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:37,599
Speaker 10: even more injuries, Like injuries happen. You have three corners

2640
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 10: down right now, like who else is gonna get hurt?

2641
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:41,759
Speaker 10: And it's like you can't you can't avoid that happening.

2642
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 5: It's gonna happen.

2643
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,840
Speaker 1: It was a recent interview he Bill did and he

2644
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 1: used the words sustainable. Well, that's not sustainable. I think

2645
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 1: he was talking about the rams maybe or something like that.

2646
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: Maybe he feels like building a good defense is more

2647
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: sustainable over a course of c than building a great

2648
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:03,759
Speaker 1: offense just because of the money.

2649
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, Well, why not have good a balance?

2650
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Though I'm not saying he's right. Yeah, I'm just thinking that.

2651
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 4: I don't think he's right if that's what he's thinking.

2652
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 8: And I mean, and to that point, like I've always

2653
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 8: thinking a little little anecdote of you know, defense is

2654
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:17,679
Speaker 8: about destroying.

2655
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 4: An offense is about creating. It's harder to create things,

2656
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 4: you know, like you would think, like it's harder to

2657
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 4: go I need to put more effort into the offensive

2658
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 4: side of the ball to get guys who can make

2659
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 4: something out of nothing instead of like, you know, you

2660
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 4: just see the look on key on White's face, and

2661
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 4: you're like, you're gonna go destroying offense, you know.

2662
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 6: With just a look.

2663
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 12: You know.

2664
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 9: It's just you can make an argument that the way

2665
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 9: the game has evolved, it's kind of harder to stop somebody.

2666
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, I mean, is it like don't even try anymore? Though,

2667
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 4: It's like it's like you can only get to a

2668
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 4: certain level.

2669
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 9: And then Bill would never get to the Nick sabe

2670
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 9: and comment that has gotten so much attention over the

2671
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 9: last four or five years when he said that, But yeah,

2672
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 9: like devote more time to replang it, Like, I don't

2673
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 9: think it's harder to keep an offense together. I don't,

2674
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 9: First of all, we all know what I think about money,

2675
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 9: and we don't have to get into that this late

2676
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 9: in the show. But I think that might be part

2677
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 9: of it too. I think Bill does very much still

2678
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 9: believe in the economics of the of the structure, and

2679
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 9: that's another to me philosophy that's past its time. Yeah, yeah,

2680
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 9: do you think when you most recently with Patrick Mahomes yesterday.

2681
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 8: Like on when you this offseason will be kind of

2682
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 8: a barometer for how he feels because they feel like

2683
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 8: if they kind of overextend themselves to keep on when

2684
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 8: you're nothing against him when you But I just think

2685
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 8: we can all agree at this point, like you can

2686
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,920
Speaker 8: find a guard. You just drafted two guards, like yeah,

2687
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 8: I need they need more and to like sign him

2688
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 8: to a contract or to franchise him.

2689
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 9: Unless he signs like a really reasonable deal, I'd be

2690
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:38,880
Speaker 9: stunned if he comes back because of what you said.

2691
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 9: The second thing, you know, I have Mafi, I have so,

2692
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 9: I have Jake Andrews. I have to have one of

2693
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 9: these guys that should.

2694
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 5: Have seventy six million dollars in cap space projected right

2695
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:50,680
Speaker 5: now next year for the Patriots.

2696
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 4: He saw something that was more than that well.

2697
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 5: Miguel has its seventy se okay, I trust I try

2698
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 5: to trust him. I do, he has it ad seventy

2699
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:02,160
Speaker 5: six million. So there's a lot that goes into that

2700
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 5: of how many guys are really signed for next year

2701
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 5: that are impact players for you, that aren't just rookie

2702
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 5: you know, on rookie contracts from the last couple of

2703
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 5: drafts and stuff like that, and you know, and when

2704
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 5: he was obviously a big one dugger ouch. But a

2705
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 5: lot of the reason why they have so much cap

2706
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:19,160
Speaker 5: space because they don't have a lot of players.

2707
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 9: I mean, we're all talking about how the offense is struggled.

2708
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 9: Who had been two of the better players on offense,

2709
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 9: Henry and Kaseki, right, ye, they're both up.

2710
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 5: Especially Henry, and they have no tight ends and they

2711
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:29,840
Speaker 5: got it.

2712
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:31,640
Speaker 8: They're gonna have to rebuild the tight end group and

2713
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 8: the and the offensive line essentially.

2714
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 4: I mean, it's I think it's just Als Parker and

2715
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 4: ju Jules back.

2716
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:42,240
Speaker 1: What's up? Al al al big aal al you're there,

2717
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, Yes, Hey.

2718
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 3: So first time caller, a longtime listener. I think the

2719
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,800
Speaker 3: one of the first episodes I listened to is when

2720
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 3: Fred absolutely dominated Andy and the contest.

2721
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 4: Oh and killed him?

2722
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Don't well I did real push up?

2723
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 4: Yes, you did right, he's got short arms.

2724
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 3: Though I've emailed a couple of times, I'm gonna try

2725
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 3: to keep it short. But first I want to, like

2726
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 3: Paul side in the street a little bit and fight

2727
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 3: with the fans about something they haven't even argued yet.

2728
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 4: I'll bet they have.

2729
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 1: How's a good listener. I can tell you he knows

2730
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: you go ahead.

2731
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people give build a

2732
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 3: coach a pass because talent isn't the same as other

2733
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 3: teams have, and they give Bill a GM a pass

2734
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 3: because he's such a great coach. But I think at

2735
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 3: this point we've we've just gotten to the point where

2736
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 3: he's not a good enough coach to out coach Build

2737
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 3: a GM every If you go into every week without

2738
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 3: talent that can match up like you're you're gonna win

2739
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 3: less often than you lose. And I think the way

2740
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 3: that this team has played the start, if Rogers was healthy,

2741
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:04,600
Speaker 3: I would really see them going zero to four. And

2742
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 3: this is like four years after Brady left to like this,

2743
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 3: This isn't a rebuilding team. This is the team and

2744
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 3: it still kind of looks like this. I don't know

2745
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 3: what happens when Bill leaves, but I think it might

2746
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 3: be time to find out. And I know it's probably

2747
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 3: a little bit early to start talking about Paul's little pole,

2748
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 3: but I think we might be headed down that road

2749
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 3: this year.

2750
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:33,760
Speaker 1: All right, hey, listen, Al, that's a good call.

2751
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 9: No, it is a good call, and he's not you know,

2752
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,840
Speaker 9: I think the way he put it is true. So

2753
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 9: now you're going into games with less talent than the

2754
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 9: other team consistently. Is he a good enough coach to

2755
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:47,760
Speaker 9: overcome it enough to make you a playoff team?

2756
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2757
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 4: Well, you know we're going to find out, because a

2758
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 4: lot of the games this year, the other team's gonna

2759
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 4: have one.

2760
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: We'll solve that tomorrow's show at noon. As for this show,

2761
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye. Thanks for everyone who called an emailed.

2762
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 1: I know we didn't get to a lot of the emails.

2763
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 1: Sorry about that, but thank you for participating. We'll be

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01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: back tomorrow at noon.

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01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:13,240
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