1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back Thanksgiving week. This is 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: the one and only episode of Late Kick Extra this week. 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Oh you understand it's Thanksgiving week at friends, family traveling. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Maybe you're traveling right now and you're listening to this 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully sharing it with a relative or a friend. 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Maybe you're in standstill traffic. I got out of Nashville 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: one day ahead of time. Apparently things not going well 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: up there this morning, and speaking of this morning, it is, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: as I record, Tuesday, November twenty fourth, there's a lot 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: going on in the world of college football. We got 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: a lot to get to this morning. We do this 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Q and A style normally twice a week. This week 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: just once here on Tuesday. It is you submit them 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and I knock them down as many as I can. 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Joshpat seven zero six at gmail dot com is the 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: email address at Late Kickjosh is the Twitter handle. A 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: lot of flavor in this week's episode, A lot of 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: really really different angles to go at this morning, and 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: obviously later you get into college football season, the more 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: you have going on in different compartments. So we're going 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: to be in a lot of compartments this morning. To 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: housekeeping note, try quick the second is going to be 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: completely out of left field the first one. You know, 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: I was doing Late Kick Live the other night, and 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you say things in a way where you think 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: you've made the point a thousand times, but you just 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: happen to put the right phrasing together and it clicks. 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: So you know, I've been telling you occasionally on both 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: the Late Kick Live show, in this podcast, the Late 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: Kick Extra podcast that I've been doing some zoom consultations 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: because I had, over the course of the summer, been 32 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: getting a lot of emails from college students, but also 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean people in their thirties, people in their forties 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: who have a passion for sports media, same as I 35 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: did before I had ever gotten in the business. I 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: was working in a fabric warehouse and I thought, Hey, 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: that sounds fun, and I think I have the talent 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: and the ability to do it, but I have no 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: clue how to get into it, no clue whatsoever. So 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot of you were like that, and I opened 41 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: up my email in box, I opened up my Twitter DMS, 42 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and I said, I'll tell you what I've done media 43 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: consultation before, so I'll kind of open up a new 44 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: branch of that just for my viewers. My listeners will 45 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: do it one on one. It's not fifteen people, although 46 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: I have done that in the past two but I'm 47 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: doing one on one sessions right now if that sounds 48 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: like you, Because the other night when I was on 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: the show, I said it. I think I said, if 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: you think you have the talent or the tools, or 51 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: you have good ideas, or you have a passion, but 52 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: you just lack the game plan, then hit me up 53 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: because I was there and I figured one out that 54 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: worked well enough, and so maybe we can talk about 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: it and you can get some advice, feedback, whatever the 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: case may be, whatever it is you're looking for, I'll 57 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: be happy to try and help any way I can. 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: So again, email Josh paid seven zero six at gmail 59 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: dot com, at late Kickjosh on Twitter. I got a 60 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: couple more slots opened this week, even in Thanksgiving week. 61 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: Actually I'm home in Georgia, so I truth be told, 62 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: I have probably have more free time this week, So 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: hit me up. I got a lot of you who 64 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: reached out that said you had been on the fence, 65 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: and it apparently pushed you over because of the way 66 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: I said it the other night. That's the first piece 67 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: of Housekeeping News. Here's the second piece. Let me clear 68 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: my throat. You can leave that in there, Jordan, very 69 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: real and authentic. I'm in an editorial meeting yesterday, which 70 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: is just a fancy way of saying a lot of 71 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: us who work at twenty four seven sports talking about 72 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: what we're going to work on this week. And something 73 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: happened that, quite frankly, I should go to HR about, 74 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: but I haven't. I'm a firm believer in talking out 75 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: your interpersonal conflicts publicly instead of going to HR privately. 76 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: It always works out well that way. So we're getting 77 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: towards the end of the call, and I've been largely silent. 78 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Now here's what the folks on the call didn't know. 79 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: I had already come home. I went't in Nashville, so 80 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: I had already come home. And it was whereas when 81 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I left Nashville it was about forty degrees and dropping 82 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: steadily yesterday here it was about sixty eight degrees and Sonny, 83 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: So I was out, I kid you not on a 84 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: little league baseball field that I grew up playing on 85 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: at Catalla, Georgia, obviously all by myself, and so I'm 86 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: walking around shirtless. By the way, again, it is sixty 87 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: eight degrees, not a cloud in the sky down here. 88 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: So I had my video option turned off, so you know, 89 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: I piped in a couple of times. But then there 90 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: were twenty minute portions of that meeting where they didn't 91 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: hear from me. And I'm just kind of walking around 92 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: out there on the baseball field getting the last rays 93 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: of some that you'll probably get until twenty twenty one. 94 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: We're getting towards the end of the meeting, and someone 95 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: throws out an idea, Hey, do we want to do 96 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: one of those things where we compare thanksgiving foods to 97 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: college football teams or whatnot. You know, basically that kind 98 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: of stuff that is sort of ridiculous, but yet you 99 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: see it one time a year, and in that one 100 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: week of year, it makes sense. And so someone started 101 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: talking about turkey and Bud Elliott in a very elitist 102 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: tone just chimes in and says, I'm a grown man, 103 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Turkey's not all that great. Here's how I know it's 104 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: not all that great, because if it was all that great, 105 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: I'd eat it every day. I'm a grown man. I 106 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: can choose to eat what I want, and I don't 107 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: choose to eat turkey, and so I understand the cinement. Okay, 108 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: turkey is not the most flavor meat in the world, 109 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: but it's a great lean meat. I eat it a lot. 110 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: I also eat, as I've told you before. You know, 111 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: my post workout methodology, especially on the day of a show, 112 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: is I'll go to the gym, and then I'll leave 113 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: the gym, and as I'm headed to the office, I'll 114 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: eat a rotisserie chicken. It sits in my passenger seat 115 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: and I tear it apart like a Neanderthal. But it 116 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: works for me. Okay, But I also like to mix 117 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: turkey into my diet. But turkey it takes a lot 118 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: longer to chew. And I realized a while back, I'm 119 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: just wasting a lot of my life chewing turkey. That's 120 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: just the way it was. Happy Birthday, Bruce Hornsby yesterday, 121 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: by the way, who sung That's just the way it is. 122 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: But forget about Bruce Hornsby. Let's get back on track. 123 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: We're talking turkey here. And so I figured I still 124 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: want to have turkey in my diet. I don't want 125 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: to take fourteen minutes to chew this thing, though, so 126 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: I realized I do not care about taste. Taste is 127 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: irrelevant to me when it comes to nutrition. So I 128 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: bought a blender, and I wondered to myself, I wonder 129 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: if anyone else liquifies meat. It's got to be possible. 130 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: So I put my turkey and a blender, poured some 131 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: water in there. There was a little bit of trial 132 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: and error to get the sizing and proportions right, but 133 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: I finally figured it out. So I started drinking turkey 134 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: and I started mixing way protein in there with it 135 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: so I would have a turkey smoothie. I do this 136 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: to this day. Now. It's become a part of my 137 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: lifestyle every bit as much as breathing, and I do it, 138 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: and I do it routinely, and so I just happened 139 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: to mention that, and I swear to you, I've never 140 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: seen so many torches and pitchforks and culinary elitists on 141 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: one zoom call. In my life. It's like it is 142 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: America as far as I can tell. I am just 143 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: over here living my own life. And I got Barton Simmons, 144 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: who drinks a goat milk, oat milk, whatever it is, 145 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: who knows where it comes from. It doesn't come from 146 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: the same shelf that I buy my milk on in 147 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: the grocery store. I know that. And so everyone wants 148 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: to pile on the guy who's drinking the liquified turkey, 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: But the joke's on them because the other twenty three 150 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: hours and fifty five minutes of the day, I got 151 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: free to do whatever I want to. And then you 152 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: got other suckers out there who are chew in turkey. 153 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I'm not living that life anymore. I'm living my life. 154 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: And if it involves a turkey smoothie every now and then, 155 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: which I can guarantee you sometime today it will, then 156 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: so be it. I got till Barton, I'm gonna be 157 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: around when your great great great great grand Simmons are 158 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: listening to a one hundred and sixty five year old 159 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: version of me, tell them what great uncle Barton used 160 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: to be like. So there you go. There is really 161 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: no transition from liquefied turkey to college football, but we're 162 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: gonna try it anyway. Let's go to Alex this morning. 163 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: To start us off. Alex asks what is the possibility 164 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: of Dan Mullin leaving? Is the NFL the only route 165 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to be worried about in the college world. Yes, I 166 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: don't think there's a job out there that he would 167 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: come it over the Florida job. You're not getting better 168 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: than the Florida job. I think the only path that 169 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: he would take is, like you said, Alex, the NFL. 170 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: There have been whispers about that in the past. It's 171 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: I think even been something that Mullen has talked about 172 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: in the past. I have no reason to believe that 173 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: that's in the future, nothing like that. So I wouldn't 174 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: be worried about it at all. Because you asked about 175 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: being worried, I wouldn't be worried about that at all. 176 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: In fact, I think a lot of the sentiment in 177 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: the past about Mullen has been, well, let's break him down. 178 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: He is a great football mind. He's a great play caller. 179 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: He is a supreme developer of the quarterback position. Look 180 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: at his track record. It speaks for itself. YadA, YadA, YadA. 181 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: What is the one area where he comes up a 182 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: little bit short. Well, it's been recruiting. That sounds like 183 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: an NFL coach. That's the kind of guy you look 184 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: at and say, he's a great football guy. He's just 185 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: in the wrong lane of football. He needs to be 186 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, now that they just beat Georgia, 187 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: and now that we're approaching the early signing period, Florida's 188 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: got some good momentum on the recruiting trail. I'm going 189 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: to do a video actually with Steve Wolfong as soon 190 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: as I get done recording this, and we may very 191 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: well end up talking about Florida. Well, I say that 192 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: because of this. What if let's, just for argument's sake, 193 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: let's say Dan Mullen did have that itch, Let's say 194 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: even a year ago, he had that itch, and he thought, 195 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: the minute I get enough success here to where I 196 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: maximize my potential NFL leverage, I'm out of here. But 197 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: then he got the success, and then he started tasting 198 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: that recruiting success and he realized, hold up, well, I 199 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: can get paid as much in college as I can 200 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL, maybe more if you maximize your revenue streams. 201 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: And secondly, I may be able to compete down here 202 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: because long term, because that's the second question that Alex asked, here, 203 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: is there a fear that the Dan Mullen effect will 204 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: wear off in a few years and we could experience 205 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: a regression much like Michigan has with Harball. That's the 206 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: second part. And I just went ahead and threw both 207 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: questions in here because I don't think so. I don't 208 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: think so because the Dan Mullen effect and the whole 209 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: Harball dealed with Michigan. What would allow that to happen 210 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: and what would allow your results to start eroding is 211 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: if you didn't capitalize in the recruiting world on your 212 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: success in the on field world. And they are right 213 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: now that's not happening. So you don't I think I 214 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: have to worry about that. They are capitalizing and recruiting. Now. 215 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: You've got to get pen on paper, you got to 216 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: get guys on campus. They got to get developed, they 217 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: got to contribute. We understand all that, there's no need 218 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: to state the obvious. But right now, for the first 219 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: time since Dan Mullin's been there, it feels like they're 220 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: ready to go toe to toe with Georgia in some 221 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: recruitments and they're ready to win some head to head battles. 222 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm not telling you they're overtaking them in the team 223 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: rankings this year or next year. But remember the belief 224 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: at Florida. The belief at Florida. We stated it the 225 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: week of the game has always been with Georgia. Don't 226 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: have to have an equal roster. We have to have 227 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: a comparable roster, and then we're gonna beat them on 228 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: game day. We're gonna have better quarterback play, and we're 229 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna beat them on game day. That was basically the 230 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: formula this year. They didn't have a roster to match Georgia's. 231 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: They had one good enough to get in the same 232 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: room as them. They had superior quarterback play, they had 233 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: superior game day coaching. That's the formula for Florida. They 234 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: think it's gonna work. I think it can work for 235 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: Dan Mullen long term, and most importantly, as it relates 236 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: to this question, I think he thinks it can work. 237 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: He's had a third question here. Is beating Alabama the 238 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: only route for Kyle trast to win the Heisman. No, 239 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily go that far. I think by far 240 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: it's his most likely route. But he is the odds 241 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: on leader right now. And I haven't looked at him 242 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: this morning, but I looked, I think yesterday, and I 243 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: saw that the Vegas numbers have him as the odds 244 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: on leader. Now that's a little bit different than setting 245 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: odds on a game because there is a human element 246 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: to this, So you're setting odds on something that has 247 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: a human element. People vote on this. So right now 248 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: he's the odds on favorite. But that's not like Vegas 249 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: being able to power rate a football team, because you're 250 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: not power rating voters. You can use historical trends to 251 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: know which way they tend to lean, but history would 252 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: tell you that yes, in all likelihood, Kyle Trask, given 253 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: the current trajectory, is going to have to beat Alabama 254 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: in the SEC Championship game, only because the quarterback at Alabama, 255 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, is kind of right there neck and neck 256 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: with him in this discussion. And you've got other guys 257 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: like Field or Trevor Lawrence if they ever play football again. 258 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: You've got other guys, so it's not one guy who's 259 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: running away with it, and he just has to turn 260 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: in sort of a minimum baseline performance down the stretch 261 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: rest of the season. Side note, get DeVante Smith in 262 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: the Heisman conversation. I'm telling folks in every radio interview 263 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: I do, if you want to understand why I don't 264 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: talk about Heisman much, it's because of this. No one 265 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: lives up to the true spirit of this award. If 266 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: they did, I talk about it all the time because 267 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: the concept of the award. I love. The most outstanding 268 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: player in college football. That's DeVante Smith this year wide 269 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: receiver for Alabama. For those unfamiliar number six, check him out. 270 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: He's pretty good. I don't get how he's not in 271 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: this conversation. I had someone the other day give me 272 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: two names from Alabama that they would put above DeVante Smith, 273 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: and that of course is Mac Jones and Naja Harris. 274 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything away from those guys. I'm just 275 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: giving a whole heck of a lot more to Davante Smith. 276 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: So aside from that, yes, I think Kyle try beating 277 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: Bama is the most likely route. But here's the side. 278 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: What if they completely and totally slaughter the rest of 279 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: their competition and then they go to Atlanta and he 280 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: has an out of this world game and they lose 281 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight to thirty five, a thriller, and he's twenty 282 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: six of thirty one for four touchdowns, no interceptions, and 283 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: he just gets outplayed. But he gets outplayed in a 284 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: manner where Bama's got two special team scores a defensive scorer, 285 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: and Najia Harris scores, and you know, Mac Jones really 286 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: doesn't outplay him as much as the team for Alabama 287 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: outplays him. You could have an outside shot. You can 288 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,119 Speaker 1: have an outside shot even if he loses in Atlanta 289 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: to win the Heisman. That wouldn't stun me. But I 290 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: think you're right on the money with understanding obviously his 291 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: most likely route. All right, next stuff. I had a 292 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: complaint the other day from a relative of mine, no less, 293 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: about the way that I format this podcast. And there's 294 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: a certain thing I do that aggravates him to no end. 295 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: I knew. I knew what he was going to say 296 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: before he even had the words come out of his mouth, 297 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: because I would feel the same way. I have a 298 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: certain habit when I'm listening to podcasts. I have a 299 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: certain thing I do, and I know a lot of 300 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: you are the same way. But they got a telegraph it. 301 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: The host of the podcast has to telegraph that it's coming. 302 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: So you can't respond as the listener the way you 303 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: normally would. And you ask, Josh, what is this thing? Well, 304 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: the thing is simply this. What if I were to 305 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: tell you that Cole has a great question here that 306 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of you have, by the way, 307 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: and it's about whether you should want to make the playoff, 308 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: if you're going to be a significant underdog, or whether 309 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: you should want to sit on the sidelines go to 310 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: a new year six win, get all the money, get 311 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: all the presties and the momentum going forward. And he 312 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: wants to know it. But see it's aggravating because I 313 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: tell you we're going to answer it right after this. 314 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: See that wasn't so bad. I mean, advertisers make it 315 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: possible for us be able to do the podcast. And 316 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: if I were to tell you, if I were to 317 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: telegraph that ad reads coming, you could just hit the 318 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: fast forward button, you know, kind of like I do 319 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: when I listen to podcasts. So I got to sneak 320 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: it up on you as quickly as possible. Now, as 321 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: for Cole, he did have a really good question. I 322 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: wasn't lying about that. Cole says, as an organ fan, 323 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: I felt both last year and now this year, we're 324 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: better off almost making the playoff then we are actually 325 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: making the playoff and getting crushed by a team like 326 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: Clemson or Alabama. Last year we ended up winning the 327 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, which gave us momentum in recruiting. What are 328 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts on whether a fringe playoff team like Oregon 329 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: should want to make the playoff, especially when they know 330 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: they'll likely be toasted by more talented teams. All right, Cole, 331 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: this is going to sound like I'm e bullying. You 332 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: were pod bullying you. I'm not. You know you know me, 333 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: you know me better than that good George Strait song. However, 334 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: I can't marry myself to this mentality. Now I understand 335 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: where it comes from. I do get it. I've heard, 336 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: for instance, this week, I've heard Brigham Young. Well, i've 337 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: heard theories about Brigham Young rather where it's thought, and 338 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I don't agree with this that 339 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: they're posturing publicly to go one way, but really they'd 340 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: be more than happy to go the New Year six route, win, 341 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: go undefeated, and then be able to beat that two 342 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: thousand and four Auburn drum. Well, we would have done 343 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: this if we were given an opportunity that twenty seventeen 344 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: UCF drum. Now I'm not casting aspersions at the Brigham 345 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: Young fan base. It's also been established, I say Brigham Young, 346 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: because when I say BYU, that's what I sound like, BYU. 347 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: I have a very thick Southern accent. You may not 348 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: realize it because I kind of put a blanket over 349 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: it when I'm on the air, but especially when I'm 350 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: back home, sometimes it can bleed through. There's a plate 351 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: of grits next to me, by the way, Just a 352 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: little side note. So if I tell you, b yu, 353 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: you have no clue what I said. I can't. I 354 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: can't round the y B y B y you. That's 355 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: what it would sound like, at which point there are 356 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: certain facilities you'd probably want to check me in. So 357 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: Brigham Young may be doing this, I don't know. Central 358 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Florida absolutely does it. I all but certainly know would 359 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Orgon do this though, because Oregon is a bona fide 360 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: Power five team. I cannot get on board with thinking 361 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: that way. I just can't. It's such a defeatist mentality. 362 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: It's a for lack of a better term, it's limp. 363 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: Don't be limp. If you're gonna go, wear one, go 364 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: whar one? I mean? Notre Dame never hesitated when they 365 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: got spanked by Alabama. They got spanked on the scoreboard 366 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: by Clemson the next time they went. I don't think 367 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: they were outplayed nearly to the degree that they were 368 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: against Alabama a few years earlier. You got to get there, Listen. 369 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: My philosophy is this, go take as many swings as 370 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: you can. Swing, and swing and swing some more. Fortunately, 371 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone in the organ organization or 372 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: in the organ program. I guess that's a better college 373 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: term that thinks that way. I mean, I really think 374 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: you may get backhanded. And christ Paul's kind of guy 375 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: who'll do it. By the way, I think anyone around 376 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: there who would even suggest that mentality, you know, imagine that. 377 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: Let's go into the Oregon war room. Okay, it is 378 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: six thirty eight on a Tuesday morning, it's the middle 379 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: of a game week, and they're, you know, filing in 380 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: one by one. They're gonna do their team meeting this morning, 381 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: staff meeting at least. And Mario looks over and there's 382 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: an analyst over there, and he's kind of got a 383 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: sheepish look on his face. But you can tell you 384 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: us to speak up. So christ Ball says, go ahead 385 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: and speak up. Well, coach, I was just wondering, Yeah, speak Louder. 386 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: I was just wondering, speak Louder, Coach, should we really 387 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: want to make the playoff? Wham? That's it? Backhand just 388 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: hand mark on the cheek. Rest of the day. Yes, 389 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: we want to make the playoff. Absolutely, we want to 390 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: make the playoff. But coach, we won't be favored. Who cares. 391 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: We would rather do that than go play Katala Community 392 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: College in some New Year Six Bowl. I don't know 393 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: that Katala Community College is going, but you understand my 394 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: point there. They're not looking to gather New Year's Six 395 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: Bowl awards. And added point here about the recruiting momentum, 396 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: it's detached from on field results. A lot of times, 397 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: it greatly helps to sell the Rose Bowl on the 398 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: recruiting trail. And I'm not telling you it, Dutton. I 399 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: think we're going to be doing just fine recruiting whether 400 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: they won the Rose Bowl or not. What if they 401 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: lost the Rose Bowl? Can we look at four or 402 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: five recruitments that would have been disproportionately impacted one way 403 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: or the other. Do we think that a kid was 404 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: sitting at home on the edge of his couch and 405 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: he said, all right, I mean that was a close 406 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: game by the way. So is there a kid sitting 407 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: on his couch and he's biting his fingernails down to 408 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: the nubs and outcoming this game that's going to determine 409 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: the next four years and therefore the next forty years 410 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: of my life. Wisconsin, Oregon. I'm going with who whoever 411 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: wins all the roses? I don't think so. So I 412 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: think they'd be fine either way. Yes, Cole, to answer 413 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: your question, make the playoff every single time. Adam is next. 414 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: He's asking about Scott Frost. Why is Scott Frost failing 415 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: at Nebraska? Is it geographical limitations in recruiting? If he's 416 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: ever let go at Nebraska? What happens to a guy 417 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: with an all world resume that failed at his alma mater, Adam, 418 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: this is really really fascinating and really layered, and there's 419 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: another layer that we cannot possibly see right now. Let 420 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: me break it down for you a second. So he's 421 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: failing at Nebraska. I think for a couple of reasons 422 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned there. I don't think it's a lack of 423 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: coaching acumen. Now that's my personal take on Scott Frost. 424 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't think the guy went there and forgot how 425 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: to coach football. I also don't think he duped a 426 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: lot of people into thinking he knows the game of 427 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: football to get the job. I mean he was Scott 428 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: Frost is a good football guy. I don't think anything 429 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: other than that. And I don't think a lot of 430 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: people who are close to the program think that they're 431 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: just limitations in place like you mentioned geographical limitations and recruiting. 432 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: This sport never sits still. I say this all the time. 433 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: The sport never sits still for very long. There was 434 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: a time when Nebraska dominated this sport. I was alive. 435 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't all that long ago. I'm not seventy five 436 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: years old, and there's nothing wrong with being seventy five, 437 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: but I don't have the memory. I can't go back 438 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: in the memory bank to you know, colorless TV like 439 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: some of you can. Even though I watched Andy Griffith 440 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, just like you did. It 441 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: was just already old when I was a kid, but 442 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: I still watched it. You know mister mcbeev episode. By 443 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: the way, if none of you have ever watched Andy Griffith, 444 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: go check out the mister mcbeev episode. It'll jerk a 445 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: teer out. Of the driest eye in the room. What 446 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: was I talking about. Let's see, let's trace it back 447 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: bv Andy Griffith, colorless tv AH Nebraska football. Okay, so 448 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it's that necessarily. I think it's a 449 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: little combination of factors. There are certain limitations that you're 450 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: not changing. No coaches going in there and changing it. 451 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: I really wish in an alternate universe, I could just 452 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: take Nick Saban and drop him at Nebraska, rewind ten years, 453 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: even take Nick Saban instead in seven of going to Alabama, 454 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: he goes to Nebraska. I think they would be a 455 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: good program. Okay, don't get me wrong there, but he's 456 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: certainly not duplicating Alabama results at Nebraska. Why is that. Well, 457 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Nebraska has a resource inferiority complex to Alabama, as does 458 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: most of the rest of the sport. Maybe the gap 459 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: is just a little bit wider. Having said that, here's 460 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: the third layer I'm talking about, Adam, that you didn't 461 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: put in here because you couldn't have possibly put it 462 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: in here. You said in the second part of your question, 463 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: if he's ever let go at Nebraska, what happens to 464 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: a guy with an all world resume that failed at 465 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: his alma mater. Well, the answer, Adam is he'd eventually 466 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: get hired somewhere. Here's the third layer. What happens if 467 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: he gets hired somewhere and he succeeds. That tells you 468 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: all you need to know about Nebraska as a program. 469 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with the inner wiring of the program. 470 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: It's strictly external factors that limit Nebraska. No one ever 471 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: hates on Nebraska, at least neutral observers. No one hates 472 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: on Nebraska. No one says, oh, that program's terrible. I 473 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: to hate to go there. They're morally bankrupt, ethically bankrupt. 474 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: Never even a whiff of that. Everyone loves Nebraska. Actually, 475 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: everyone views Nebraska as their favorite cousin or their favorite neighbor. 476 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: Everyone loves Nebraska. It's not that the people there are wonderful, 477 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: the red balloons, everything's great. What happens, though, if he 478 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: succeeded at UCF and then he failed at Nebraska, and 479 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: then he succeeds elsewhere, and it's like a little failure sandwich. 480 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: What does that say? I mean when the only blip 481 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: on the radar, the only downward spike, is Nebraska, and 482 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: you got a guy succeeding before and after. Now, that 483 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: would be the worst look. That would be really bad. 484 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: And that's when and you have to rethink some things. 485 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: But yet I don't know that they're rethinking things even 486 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: in that manner, in a way that they already haven't. 487 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: I just maybe I don't know that there are answers 488 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: that they're looking for. There. Jim is next up. Let's see. Okay, yeah, 489 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: there we go. Jim is next up. I heard you 490 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: speaking on how you feel that Hugh Freeze would be 491 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: a good fit for South Carolina or any school in 492 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: need of a great, offensive minded coach. You explained that 493 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: the ad and the boosters would need to accept him 494 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: and be ready for the criticism which would die down 495 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: once he started winning. We all know what he did 496 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: and how some of it is irrelevant now, so as 497 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: long as he wins football games. My question is, what's 498 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: your line? What would someone have to do for you, 499 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: the person and fan, to say I don't care how 500 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: many games he wins, us I'm not supporting that guy. 501 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this question too, so you 502 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: can think right along with me, what's that line for you? 503 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, every one of you who are listening to 504 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: this podcast. You're a fan of some program. Let's say 505 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: your program has a job opening. Let's say Hugh Freeze 506 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 1: would be a viable candidate. How many of you are 507 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: saying no to Hugh Freeze for obviously off the field reasons. 508 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: And if you are one that says yes, like I 509 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: would be, then how much further? What's the line? Who 510 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: would you not be willing to bring in? Okay, where 511 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: between Hugh Freeze and all the way down to like 512 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer, Where is that line where do you finally 513 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: say nope, not taking a step further than this line 514 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: right here? Dahmer was a defensive guy. By the way, 515 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: he wouldn't work in today's game. What's the book on 516 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: Hugh Freeese? I mean, what are we really mad at here? Well, 517 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean he had some off field extracurriculars, if you will, 518 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: But hoopst among us hasn't been caught with a burner 519 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: a time or two with some weird numbers in there. Well, 520 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: most of us actually myself included, But still point stands 521 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: none of us are perfect. Secondly, I don't think that 522 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: impacts his ability to coach a program one iota. So 523 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,479 Speaker 1: that you call it baggage. I just call it life. 524 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: That's what I call that. I couldn't care less about that. 525 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: And the only difference, by the way, little side note 526 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: before I get back on the main road, the only 527 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: difference between the scandal in Hugh Freeese's life and the 528 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: scandal and a lot of other coaches' lives and just 529 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: humans lives? Are you know about Hugh Freeze's And I'll 530 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: leave it there, Okay, If you could publicize everything about 531 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: every coach in America right now, Hugh Freeze would even 532 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: be able to hate on some of them. So I 533 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: get back on the main road now because I don't 534 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 1: care about that at all. What I would care about 535 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: is his NCAA past. That's the baggage. So how much 536 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: do I care about it? Well? None, Well, let me rephrase, 537 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: I am cognizant of it. I don't care about it 538 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to being a deterrent for me hiring 539 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: him or not. The reason it's because I don't think 540 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: it's going to happen again, to put it plainly, and 541 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll wear it and 542 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: I'll bear that burden and you can fire me. Luckily 543 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: you can't so all I have to do is talk 544 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: in this microphone, and I can be wrong and not 545 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: be fired well about Hugh Freeze at least, but I 546 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: would look at it and I would say, here's what 547 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: this guy did. If I hire him. Do I think 548 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: he's going to do it again? Do I believe his contrition? 549 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: I do believe it. With Hugh Freeze, a lot of 550 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: peopleeople don't take him at face value. I'm not going 551 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: to go down that road necessarily because I don't know 552 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: him personally. A lot of people who say the same 553 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: things about him also don't know him personally. But I 554 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: would say this, Do I believe he's actually going to 555 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: be dumb enough to do that again? Do I think 556 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: he's going to be brazen enough to do that again? 557 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: My gut feel is no, I don't think he is, 558 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't let either be a deterrent or 559 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: an insurmountable obstacle from me hiring that guy. If I 560 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: think he's going to win here, if I think that 561 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: he's going to put our guys in the best position 562 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: to succeed, if I think he's going to be able 563 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: to recruit, If I think when I hire him, the 564 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: rest of this conference is going to let out a 565 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: collective of uh oh, they got Hugh Freeze. Then he's 566 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: my guy now at South Carolina. I kind of had 567 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: a change of heart on this with Hugh Freeze, not 568 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: with the South Carolina job in general or Hugh Freeze 569 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: in general, but with Freeze at Carolina. The reason I 570 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of went in another direction with Freeze in Carolina 571 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: is because I think Carolina needs to hire a guy 572 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: who views the the game Cock's head coaching job as 573 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: a destination job, and I don't believe Hugh Freeze would 574 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: view it that way. I think Hugh Freeze would view 575 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: South Carolina as a massive step up from Liberty. But 576 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: then I think he would look at Carolina and say, 577 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: this is my launching pad job. This is gonna get 578 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: me to the top rung of the ladder. This rung 579 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: right here is really nice, and I can make some 580 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: money here, and I'm in the most high profile conference 581 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: in America, and I'm gonna play on national TV twelve 582 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: weeks out of the year, and I'm gonna play some 583 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: of the greatest venues the sport has to offer. But 584 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: I've already done that. I've done it at Ole miss 585 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it now at Carolina. But here's the difference. 586 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm ultimately looking to get one of the five best 587 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: jobs in America, and I don't view South Carolina as that. Now, 588 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: that's where I think Hugh Freeze's mine would be. So 589 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: every game he won at Carolina, you would have two emotions. 590 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: Excuse me. You would number one, think great, we just won, 591 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: and then as you get a few years down the road, 592 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: you'd think, number two, we just won. Everyone knows we 593 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: just won. And there's a job opening come and open 594 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: over here, and there's another one coming open over there, 595 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: and oh boy, they're going to come after Hugh Freeze, 596 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: aren't they. You don't want to worry about losing your 597 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: head coach. South Carolina has no business worrying about that. 598 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: Find a guy who've viewsed your job as his destination. 599 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: If that's Billy Napier, then that would be great. If 600 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: it's a guy we're not even talking about right now, 601 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: that would be great. And by the way, that's kind 602 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: of a rap on that question. But by the way, 603 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: it's Thanksgiving week. But I heard at the end of 604 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: last week Carolina wants to they want to move on 605 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: this this week. Now, A lot of folks want to 606 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: move as soon as they can. It doesn't always work 607 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: exactly on that timetable. But I wouldn't be shocked if 608 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: you're sitting around this week and you all of a sudden, here, oh, 609 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: we've got major rumors over here, We've got major action. 610 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: It's a line out of Twister, actually towards the very beginning. 611 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: Different context, though, I wouldn't be surprised to see something 612 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: popping this week. But I also wouldn't be surprised if 613 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: we were sitting here next week and I was leading 614 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: the podcast with fourteen of you questioning, Hey, I thought 615 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: you said they were going to make a hire last week. No, friends, 616 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: I think they want to make a hire this week. 617 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: But I want to do a lot of things this week. 618 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to do so. South 619 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: Carolina getting a head coach in the house probably not 620 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: among the list of things that I'm certain about. But 621 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: I will tell you this, because we're not doing a 622 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: podcast on Thursday, I think we're going to be backlogged 623 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: with questions, but I welcome it. So I'm telling you again, 624 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: fill that inbox up. Josh Pait seven zero six at 625 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: gmail dot com with all your questions. 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