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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, September fifth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode
Speaker 1: number thirty two. Welcome to another edition and the very
Speaker 1: first edition of the two thousand and seventeen season. It
Speaker 1: is The Break. I'm Derek Eaglesons joined by Nick Eatman.
Speaker 1: Dial Let's let him go? How let him go? Dave?
Speaker 1: How many firsts do you have in a given year?
Speaker 1: This will be the first of the actual like it's
Speaker 1: week one, so this is the first yea of all,
Speaker 1: Like the regular season? Yeah, right, the regular season starting today? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: We changed as of today, right? Changed the roster enough
Speaker 1: then we make any claims to change the team or
Speaker 1: anything like that, or yeah we didn't. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: make a trade. I'm talking about us four. Well, we
Speaker 1: get we've made a few changes. We started off and
Speaker 1: Amber joined the show. You joined the show. You were
Speaker 1: not a regular, Yeah, but we've been still. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna be a regular been doing this
Speaker 1: for six weeks regular. All right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: thank you whatever? All right? What like? Yeah? Seriously? All right,
Speaker 1: So let's talk some Cowboys football. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: that's happened since the last time we were on the air.
Speaker 1: It's good holiday weekend, good Labor Day weekend, but there
Speaker 1: are lots of changes that happened on this team over
Speaker 1: that weekend. Cowboys cut down to fifty three man roster,
Speaker 1: then made a couple of other moves. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: into that and talk about some of the guys that
Speaker 1: Cowboys acquired um as well as a guy that they
Speaker 1: released and supposedly is back, and I'm sure Nick has
Speaker 1: a lot to say about that. We'll talk to Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore here at some point um in the or segment,
Speaker 1: but before we get to that, we do need to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Ezekiel Elliott right now. There
Speaker 1: have been a few developments in that whole situation. We're
Speaker 1: still waiting on the results of the appeal which happened
Speaker 1: last week. There's suspicion that maybe comes out today from
Speaker 1: what I understand, and you guys can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. From what I understand, if there isn't a
Speaker 1: result on the appeal that's issued by this afternoon, then
Speaker 1: Zeke is allowed to play this week. That accurate. That
Speaker 1: is not detailed in writing anywhere in the CBA. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have talked to several people, and the best that
Speaker 1: I can come up with is that it's an unwritten
Speaker 1: rule or a gender just wouldn't do that to a
Speaker 1: team agreement. Take that from I was just arguing about
Speaker 1: that with Brian, where he said, well, it's kind of
Speaker 1: an unwritten rule that the league's not going to do
Speaker 1: that to a team, And I said, can you think
Speaker 1: of a circumstance where they might make an exception when
Speaker 1: it comes to high profile running back who's in this
Speaker 1: case and they're trying to keep egg from getting all
Speaker 1: over their face and who they're fighting in court right now?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: I've seen it out there a million times. As far
Speaker 1: as I understand it, it is a rule that the
Speaker 1: league typically adheres to. But also, as far as I
Speaker 1: understand it, nowhere in the CBA is that written in
Speaker 1: stone that that has to happen. So there's no guarantees.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could come back with this thing on
Speaker 1: Friday or Saturday if they want to and say, ezekiel,
Speaker 1: it is now suspended. But I really believe that if
Speaker 1: they're going to do that, they're gonna do it with
Speaker 1: a reduced suspension. I don't believe that they'll just say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, now, it's yeah, it's six, it's six now.
Speaker 1: I think that in order to kind of soften the
Speaker 1: blow a little bit and maybe put the ball in
Speaker 1: the cowboys court and Zeke's court, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: come back and with like a reduced charge. I believe
Speaker 1: it'll be four, I mean two. I believe that they'll
Speaker 1: cut it down to two. Well, all that being said,
Speaker 1: at this point, the NFL has advanced the story a
Speaker 1: little bit. They have filed two motions, one to dismiss
Speaker 1: the nfl PA's filed what they filed last week, basically
Speaker 1: saying it's all premature right now they have not had
Speaker 1: a chance to rule on the appeal. They also filed
Speaker 1: a motion to oppose the restraining order that they expect
Speaker 1: that the NFLPA will will issue this week, basically saying
Speaker 1: that the court doesn't have a right to be able
Speaker 1: to defer whatever the arbitrator or whatever the commissioner says,
Speaker 1: because it was collectively bargaining between the players and in
Speaker 1: the league, and they're using case law here, which in
Speaker 1: the case of Brady, they feel like at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it was upheld by the courts that
Speaker 1: because it was collectively bargained, courts don't have a right
Speaker 1: to get in between that, and the commissioner is within
Speaker 1: his jurisdiction addiction to be able to make whatever decisions
Speaker 1: he wants. So that all being said, do you think
Speaker 1: any of this changes the prospect, which is what fans
Speaker 1: care about, of whether he's Akuelie is going to play
Speaker 1: this weekend or not this weekend or I mean sixteen games,
Speaker 1: because I think that right now we're taking this thing
Speaker 1: week by week. Do you think he's playing this weekend.
Speaker 1: I think all signs are pointing in the direction that
Speaker 1: he's going to find a way to be on the
Speaker 1: field this weekend. That's kind of the way I feel,
Speaker 1: because one way or the other with all this, and yeah,
Speaker 1: the NFL filed to block the tro and the restraining
Speaker 1: order that Zeke is filing in Sherman, Texas or has
Speaker 1: filed in Sherman, Texas that will be heard later today.
Speaker 1: Even if they do that, he'll just wait for the
Speaker 1: ruling and file again, like that's all that that means,
Speaker 1: there's nothing keeping him from doing it again. Basically, the
Speaker 1: NFL was like, hey, you went too soon, like whatever,
Speaker 1: so sorry. I just they they're trying to make sure
Speaker 1: it's in the proper a favorable jurisdiction for them. The
Speaker 1: NFL would probably want to hear this in Manhattan, and
Speaker 1: Zeke wants to hear it here whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but regardless, that thing's gonna get filed, and I gotta
Speaker 1: believe even if he ultimately loses it, it's enough of
Speaker 1: an uncertainty that he can't be barred from the field
Speaker 1: by Sunday. I don't think. That's just kind of the
Speaker 1: way I feel about it, because obviously, like I said
Speaker 1: last week, the fact that they went as far as
Speaker 1: to file that motion before they even heard the result
Speaker 1: of the appeal tells me that they're going to fight
Speaker 1: it no matter what they hear. And so when you
Speaker 1: consider that, I just I it all seems so up
Speaker 1: in the air that I have a hard time thinking
Speaker 1: it'll be resolved in time to block him from the
Speaker 1: field on Sunday. I want he plays. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's pretty strong with yeah, one hundred percent is
Speaker 1: I do think he will be on the field this week.
Speaker 1: I think he plays the next week, and I do
Speaker 1: I personally think he's going to get a two game
Speaker 1: suspension that will start probably in week three. What I
Speaker 1: believe that sounds. That sounds way too tidy for the
Speaker 1: way that this works. I honestly I think that would
Speaker 1: be And you can go back for the Cowboys. Zeke
Speaker 1: still has to deal with you know, his reputation is
Speaker 1: on the line and all of that, But as far
Speaker 1: as for the Cowboys and the people who root for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, that sounds like the best you could possibly
Speaker 1: hope this to go. But nothing the NFL does gets
Speaker 1: resolved that quickly to the point where by the end
Speaker 1: of September this whole thing will be a distant memory.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. That's why I like every time
Speaker 1: we talk about Damian Wilson, You're like, well, unless the
Speaker 1: league comes in, the league's not gonna do anything on
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson. I mean he's playing until further I mean
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that. We were talking about that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think I wouldn't be surprised any day between now
Speaker 1: and the end of the season to wake up and
Speaker 1: hear that, you know, Wilson or Carol for that matter,
Speaker 1: has been suspended, Like there's no they just got around
Speaker 1: a Demontre Moore. There's but there's no rhyme or reason
Speaker 1: to it. Though they resolved Willie Sneed's thing in New
Speaker 1: Orleans in the span of about three months, Like here,
Speaker 1: he's off of the first there is three weeks. The
Speaker 1: minute you try to assume that there's a pattern to
Speaker 1: this whole thing is the minute you make a mistake.
Speaker 1: It's different for every single player in the league and
Speaker 1: every different offense. And when you're bringing in the real
Speaker 1: deal legal system, like not just the NFL's nonsense, but
Speaker 1: the actual courts, I can't imagine that it's tidied up
Speaker 1: that quickly. The one thing that does concern me a
Speaker 1: bid and I think for everybody who is wanting Zeke
Speaker 1: to play this weekend or whatever point this season, I
Speaker 1: think the one thing that concerns me a little bit
Speaker 1: is that the NFL kind of laid out this thing
Speaker 1: of well, here, we've already litigated this. This is no
Speaker 1: different than the Brady situation. From the standpoint that it
Speaker 1: all comes back to, this was collectively bargained and the
Speaker 1: players bought in. Whatever was collectively bargained was a part
Speaker 1: of that negotiation, and the players signed off on it.
Speaker 1: And so we've already gone through court for this. And
Speaker 1: that's what I think fans need to at least be
Speaker 1: thinking about, is there's a possibility that this court, even
Speaker 1: if let's say the appeal comes back and they reduce
Speaker 1: it a little bit, or they don't reduce it, I
Speaker 1: still think the court could say, hey, we're not going
Speaker 1: to give you a stay. We're not going to allow
Speaker 1: you to play while we litigate this. Yes, we'll litigate it.
Speaker 1: If they decide to litigate it, we'll do that, but
Speaker 1: we're not going to give you a stay in the
Speaker 1: meantime because the NFL has a point that it has
Speaker 1: already been litigated, and so case law says that they
Speaker 1: have the right to do what they want to do.
Speaker 1: So that is a possibility here that it's not just
Speaker 1: a gone conclusion that like Brady was able to play
Speaker 1: while this went through the courts. It's not a foregone
Speaker 1: conclusion that Zeke will be able to play while this
Speaker 1: goes through the courts. I do, and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I worry I'm gonna get out of my depth because
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer. But as far as I understand it,
Speaker 1: the criteria to meet this, you know, restraining order to
Speaker 1: this injunction to kind of stave this thing off while
Speaker 1: it plays out. You have to be able to prove
Speaker 1: that it's going to hinder your career, reputation, well being, whatever,
Speaker 1: And you have to be able to prove that you
Speaker 1: have a legitimate chance of winning. And on the out,
Speaker 1: from an outsider's perspective, it seems like Zeke has both
Speaker 1: of those things, just based on what we've heard about
Speaker 1: the mismanagement of the case and obvious I mean, you're
Speaker 1: going to miss six paychecks at the very least, not
Speaker 1: to mention, and you can't get the games, but right right,
Speaker 1: and the harm that it does to your reputation, all
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. So from an outsider's perspective, it
Speaker 1: seems like he meets that criteria. You could come back
Speaker 1: and say, though that since the NFL just did this
Speaker 1: with Brady and one because of the collective bargaining aspect
Speaker 1: of it, maybe he doesn't have as much ground to
Speaker 1: stand on as we think he does, because you see
Speaker 1: and read. I spent two hours reading about this over
Speaker 1: the weekend, and it certainly sounds like the term in
Speaker 1: the legal system is reasonable doubt. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: room for reasonable doubt. And even I'm not declaring anybody
Speaker 1: Inno Center guilty, but there's so much reasonable doubt about
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But when you bring it back to
Speaker 1: you're not trying to win a case. It all goes
Speaker 1: back to the NFL and the collective bargaining agreement. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's going to be enough to matter. Where's the league
Speaker 1: office again? New York, New York man who played first game,
Speaker 1: New York. You do know who the lead the lead
Speaker 1: person in this from the NFL side of this. Have
Speaker 1: you heard about that story that's out there that supposedly
Speaker 1: she is a season ticket holder for the Niants. It
Speaker 1: is a seed. I don't I don't buy it. I
Speaker 1: know it's a convenient and interesting, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it necessarily at the decision. I'm just saying that's that's
Speaker 1: an interesting tidbit in this interesting little tidbit. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just when you're tasked with that type of responsibility,
Speaker 1: hopefully professionals or professionals. I yeah, I mean, I've never
Speaker 1: met that woman, but I just have a hard time
Speaker 1: believing that, you know, one game in one season is
Speaker 1: going to sway this gigantic, multimillion dollar investigation that she's
Speaker 1: been in charge of for the last year. I don't.
Speaker 1: I never bought that, but it is. It is interesting.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, there's a ton more
Speaker 1: that's going to happen in this case between now and
Speaker 1: whenever this thing is resolved. It's just a matter how
Speaker 1: quickly they can move on this, how much the courts
Speaker 1: are willing to get involved. I hope to my heart
Speaker 1: that Eatman is right and by September twenty eighth we
Speaker 1: will and be like, oh no, he served as games
Speaker 1: and it's all over and it's great. But I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. I think is that the way
Speaker 1: I talk, No, that was just like we're just like, ah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen Nick do though that
Speaker 1: was my That was my everything is hunky dory voice
Speaker 1: like that movie pleasant Ville, you know, like, hey, aber Jay,
Speaker 1: here seeks back after two games suspension, and we don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about that anymore. Like that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're the media guy from the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: is something like that. Yeah, the voice scoops callahan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be messy and drawn out. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing I feel certain about, because that's what it's already is.
Speaker 1: It's the NFL's fault for dragging their feet on this
Speaker 1: the whole time, and then to come to find out
Speaker 1: that they don't even have all the right evidence, and
Speaker 1: now they want to kind of hurry this thing up
Speaker 1: because the seasons starting. No, no, they could. I mean
Speaker 1: this has been thirteen months, probably getting close to fourteen now.
Speaker 1: We've been saying thirteen months for a while. You feel
Speaker 1: like they could have handed down this thing in April
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's you know, no, he was crying over
Speaker 1: spilled milk. But what a mess. A lot to go
Speaker 1: m Let's go ahead and move on. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the roster. Cowboys cut down to fifty three, as did
Speaker 1: all the teams throughout the NFL. Lots of things were
Speaker 1: happening and moving this weekend with regards to this roster,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna start first with Kellen Moore in the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. Cowboys make a decision on Friday that they're
Speaker 1: going to cut Kellen Moore. He was a part of
Speaker 1: the original cuts. But then yesterday Rico Gathers is placed
Speaker 1: on IR designated to return, and as a part of that,
Speaker 1: they were able to bring back Kellen Moore, which I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's not official yet, not official, but that's
Speaker 1: what the expectation is, is that they're going to bring
Speaker 1: any for that roster spot. Multiple club officials have said
Speaker 1: or less, yeah, we're doing that. So explain to the
Speaker 1: fans out there listening why the Cowboys decided to go
Speaker 1: this path with regards to Kellen Moore, because obviously, I
Speaker 1: think I think there were something. I can't explain the
Speaker 1: mechanations or explain the thought process. No, no, not the
Speaker 1: thought process, because I think that that part We'll let
Speaker 1: Nick ran on in just a second. But but I
Speaker 1: do think there is something too. Okay, So why didn't
Speaker 1: the Cowboys just they wanted to go this route. Why
Speaker 1: didn't they just put Rico on IR on Friday and then?
Speaker 1: But I know that there are there are reasons for that.
Speaker 1: Just explain that to the fans. In order to bring
Speaker 1: a player back from IR, he has to be on
Speaker 1: the three when you make your first roster cuts. So
Speaker 1: Rico had to be on the team on Saturday at
Speaker 1: three zero one or else he would be lost for
Speaker 1: the year. So they waited until Sunday and they moved
Speaker 1: him to IR. The reason why they cut Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: is because he's a vested veteran, which I think even
Speaker 1: the most biased Kellen Moore supporter would agree. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have much of a market outside this building. Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: is a rookie. If you have not accumulated four years
Speaker 1: of service in the NFL, you're subject to the waiver wire,
Speaker 1: which means any team that is interested in you can
Speaker 1: put in a claim and there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 1: You can offer to outbid the other team, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: If the Steelers claim him, he's a Steeler, that's it.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys were far more confident that if they
Speaker 1: cut Kellen Moore, they could get him back in a
Speaker 1: couple of days than if they cut Cooper Rush, which
Speaker 1: proved out to be true. I mean, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: in my mind that multiple teams would have put acclaim
Speaker 1: on Cooper Rush had he been cut. So in terms
Speaker 1: of again, in terms of the mechanics of the whole thing,
Speaker 1: it worked out flawlessly. Why is it I thought that
Speaker 1: we're making progress and then just kidding it might be
Speaker 1: back just kidding. Um, I did get it pretty excited.
Speaker 1: But the way I see it, and I know Nick,
Speaker 1: you're about to get into it, But the way I
Speaker 1: see it, it's like, why you just explain if they
Speaker 1: cut Cooper Rush, he definitely wouldn't be back here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's for sure. They said, now Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: is it, Oh yeah, obviously going to be back here,
Speaker 1: right the Cowboys. The Cowboys are the only ones that
Speaker 1: want him, and that's for sure. He was gonna still
Speaker 1: be there and they'll be able to bring him back.
Speaker 1: And you're about to get into this argument before we
Speaker 1: do that, though, before we do that real quick, I
Speaker 1: want to tie you up the other side of that.
Speaker 1: Is there any concern, yeah, with the fact that Rico
Speaker 1: is now going to eye off for what was a
Speaker 1: concussion that happened what two weeks ago. I think I
Speaker 1: don't agree with the move at all and on on
Speaker 1: that end, and the Kellen Moore end of course, but
Speaker 1: the Rico part, like you know and less, there's something
Speaker 1: we don't know because I think Jason Garrett has said
Speaker 1: he's making progress. So unless he's he's going to go
Speaker 1: to a neurologist or something that we're not we haven't
Speaker 1: heard about that this is a one of those type
Speaker 1: of concussions that's ongoing. But he's tweeting around about how
Speaker 1: great you know it is to be on the team
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, So I don't know what to
Speaker 1: make about that. But the guy needs to practice. He
Speaker 1: needs to be on the practice field, and I think
Speaker 1: that they're they've mishandled this in my opinion, because I
Speaker 1: think that he needs the eight weeks of practices more
Speaker 1: than anybody. And just to be clear, when he's on
Speaker 1: IR designated return, he cannot practice during that time. He
Speaker 1: can practice after six weeks. After six you have six
Speaker 1: weeks he's gonna be sitting around and can't practice. After
Speaker 1: six weeks, you're you are eligible to begin a three
Speaker 1: week practice window. If six weeks elapse and they still
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable, then he'll continue to sit, but he
Speaker 1: is eligible to start practicing after weeks. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: you look at it, what other move could they have
Speaker 1: made for them to be able to bring that veteran
Speaker 1: guy back, which would be Kellen Moore Asia point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is a good point you start thinking about,
Speaker 1: let's start looking at this roster. Find me a guy
Speaker 1: you think you can can make this kind of move
Speaker 1: with that you can cut, that you that you have
Speaker 1: flexibility to cut, understanding the other guys you have, they're
Speaker 1: going to be suspended the first couple of weeks. There's
Speaker 1: a lot going on with this team. Maybe maybe Charles Tapper.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not certain that a Charles Tapper would would
Speaker 1: clear waivers. Right, well, I'm not certain that I care.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Byron Bell. Possibly. My point to all
Speaker 1: of this is that Jason Garrett spent ten years in
Speaker 1: this league as a backup quarterback. Wade Wilson played twenty
Speaker 1: seven years or whatever. He was mostly a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: We saw this team a season get derailed in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen because they didn't have a backup quarterback and Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore was one of the guys that they tried to
Speaker 1: bring in. It's like you're telling us that they really
Speaker 1: like Kellen Moore, but at the same time, he's the
Speaker 1: one player of all of this fifty three. He's the
Speaker 1: one player that you're gonna leave out there. It's why
Speaker 1: I said earlier on this guy is patio furniture. He
Speaker 1: is a lawn chair. Because your lawn chair that you
Speaker 1: put outside of your house, you know, you can serve
Speaker 1: as a purpose. You can sit on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's a chair, but you don't care if
Speaker 1: it gets rained one. You don't definitely care if someone
Speaker 1: comes and steals it, because if you did, you'd put
Speaker 1: it in your house. So you just stuck it outside
Speaker 1: because you're like, well, it doesn't matter. I mean, take
Speaker 1: it if you want, but we don't really think you're
Speaker 1: gonna take it because it's really not that great of
Speaker 1: a lawn chair. So just go ahead and just you
Speaker 1: know whatever, when it's time that we want to bring
Speaker 1: it out, we'll bring it back in. Because they're trying
Speaker 1: to tell us that this guy is an important position.
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna come back and he's gonna be the
Speaker 1: number two quarterback. I don't understand at all why if
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is a guy you like, you should have
Speaker 1: kept him. If you don't like him, then just leave
Speaker 1: him out there. It makes no sense to me at all.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense. They see his inner beauty, he
Speaker 1: out there and there's no they I mean, like one guy.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to like rub the tell me of
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. I mean, like make a call, like
Speaker 1: if you don't think he's that good, then just we'll
Speaker 1: move on and find a guy that is good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand how they did it like that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean they were smart. I think about how they
Speaker 1: did it in order to move between he and Rico.
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, if if you have a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback that thirty one other teams have absolutely no
Speaker 1: interest in, that does raise a bit of a red
Speaker 1: flag in my opinion. Right right, you know that he's
Speaker 1: not claimable, and now Jason said not claimable, but he's
Speaker 1: also not sign the bole either. But but that's also
Speaker 1: the part we don't know. We don't know if there
Speaker 1: was some team that that called his agent and said hey,
Speaker 1: or is he available and he said no, I'm going
Speaker 1: back to the Cowboys because he has that right. That's
Speaker 1: the thing about when they cut him, they have the ability.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could go somewhere else if he wants to.
Speaker 1: But if but I'm not the candidate, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, if if I'm just doing the name out there,
Speaker 1: if if the Miami Dolphins called and said, hey, we
Speaker 1: want you to we're interested, maybe you come in and
Speaker 1: being our third quarterback, he has the right to be
Speaker 1: able to do that. But if the Cowboys said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut you, and that was kind of this understanding,
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring you back, and we're gonna bring you back,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be our backup. He may choose to want
Speaker 1: to stay with the Cowboys. He knows the system, he
Speaker 1: knows the people. We don't know if there were other
Speaker 1: teams that were involved in this, right we don't. But
Speaker 1: in your heart of hearts, do you think that his
Speaker 1: phone was I'm only I'm only making the argument just
Speaker 1: just because we need to be fair and how we
Speaker 1: look at this right, right, But I just everybody has
Speaker 1: the opportunity to watch the preseason games like we did.
Speaker 1: There was absolutely nothing that he did in the preseason
Speaker 1: that would want another team to say, you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not very he's not very big. They doesn't have
Speaker 1: a good arm. He's never won a game in this league,
Speaker 1: but he had a pretty good one though. Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: but that this preseason was I mean, I don't I
Speaker 1: just don't get it. They had opportunity. Don't come back
Speaker 1: now and tell us that you really like Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: when he was the guy that you put it out
Speaker 1: in the rain. I just don't agree. I I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a redundant and I'm gonna write about
Speaker 1: this later this week too, but I'll keep saying Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Alfred Morris. I use the word redundant.
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris is redundant. He doesn't really serve a different
Speaker 1: purpose in your running back group. The main reason he's
Speaker 1: here is because you don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with Zeke, and that's why he fits. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with him being here because he's a great
Speaker 1: insurance polity policy. Kellen Moore is redundant because he's a young,
Speaker 1: unproven quarterback who has never won a game in the NFL.
Speaker 1: As as Nick said, you don't really know if he
Speaker 1: can do it. You don't know how good you feel
Speaker 1: about him doing it for an extended stretch of time.
Speaker 1: I just described Cooper Rush too, but there's a there
Speaker 1: is a difference from the standpoint that they feel like
Speaker 1: he understands the offense better than Cooper rushed correct and
Speaker 1: they feel like although he doesn't have the experience on
Speaker 1: like in game experience, he does have more experience in
Speaker 1: the NFL than a Cooper Rush, right, Okay, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't have anywhere near as much experience in the NFL
Speaker 1: as Dak Prescott, which the backup is supposed to help
Speaker 1: the starter, Which is the second half of my argument
Speaker 1: is that if you're dead set on keeping three quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I would rather have Luke McCown because he's been in
Speaker 1: the league for fifteen freaking years. He's shared a room
Speaker 1: with Drew Brees and whatever other good NFL quarterbacks. He's
Speaker 1: just by virtue of being around seeing things that Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott hasn't seen. He's way more and has just been
Speaker 1: just a few games just as a little game experience,
Speaker 1: and five times as many wins because he's at least
Speaker 1: one five or six games as an NFL starter, and
Speaker 1: the last time he started, he threw for three hundred
Speaker 1: yards against the team that wound up losing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So I trust that he can handle it way more
Speaker 1: than I trust that Kellen Moore can. And he offers
Speaker 1: a perspective that Dak Prescott doesn't have whereat like Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: If I was Dak and Kellen was trying to like
Speaker 1: teach me, so I'd be like, dude, I've won thirteen
Speaker 1: games out here, Okay, We're fine. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: dis best year Luke McCown last time he started three
Speaker 1: hundred yards because then they have to acknowledge that the
Speaker 1: last time Kellen Moore started, he went for four hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty or something that I would have I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm about to say this, but I would have
Speaker 1: rather the Cowboys signed Brandon Wheaton as the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: He was just he's available. Yeah, I think he would
Speaker 1: have been. He is a better backup quarterback than Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I do, Okay, maybe actually I kind of agree with
Speaker 1: Oh Hamber's like, I don't know, guys, all right, tell
Speaker 1: you what Amber I want to have you hold that
Speaker 1: point just a second. We're a little over on our break.
Speaker 1: Let's go to our break when we come back. Amber
Speaker 1: has a great point for us to advance this conversation.
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Speaker 1: break life in the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the roster final cuts. We got down
Speaker 1: to we were talking about the quarterback position, and just
Speaker 1: before we ended for our first break, Amber had a
Speaker 1: great point she wanted to throw out there. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much of a great point it is I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to find different ways around this and kind
Speaker 1: of comprehend what the Cowboys are doing here. And maybe,
Speaker 1: and just maybe Kellen Moore is that guy that kind
Speaker 1: of serves how Mark Sanchez was last year to Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: the guy that kind of well, Mark Sanchez didn't know
Speaker 1: this offense. But Kellen Moore has a time that he's
Speaker 1: been here, he knows this offense very well, and he
Speaker 1: can be that guy that possibly is the one that
Speaker 1: is helping out these other guys. I've been on the
Speaker 1: sideline and I've watched them how Callen Moore is always
Speaker 1: helping Dak Prescott and even Cooper Rush. And everyone would think,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, he hates Cooper Rush because of everything,
Speaker 1: how he's beating him out of the field, But he
Speaker 1: has been there. He has been kind of teaching them
Speaker 1: and showing them the iPad and do this or do that,
Speaker 1: or look at this play or whatever. Maybe we don't
Speaker 1: know as much obviously as they do. And he might
Speaker 1: have another purpose here aside from being the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: to help out when Dak can't be on the team.
Speaker 1: Maybe he helps out in other ways. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why he's here. That's why the Cowboys are willing to
Speaker 1: go along with this is because that's the role that
Speaker 1: he feels. He's been with Scotland Hans since twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: He knows what he's talking about and regarded this offense honestly.
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that he was on injured reserve, he
Speaker 1: was he was far more helpful to Dak Prescott last
Speaker 1: year than Tony Romo was. I feel comfortable saying that
Speaker 1: he did advance scouting. He was basically an extra member
Speaker 1: of the coaching staff, which I've seen no shortage of
Speaker 1: people suggest that maybe that's just what he should do
Speaker 1: instead of being backup quarterback. But I think you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, this is a preseason storyline.
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that Dak Prescott's gonna get hurt and
Speaker 1: missed too much time knock on wood, and I think
Speaker 1: that's probably their attitude as well. He's twenty three, he's
Speaker 1: built like an ox. As I've said, he's I don't
Speaker 1: think they're worried about it the way they were worried
Speaker 1: about Tony Romo, so you know, they get along. Kella
Speaker 1: Moore can help him out. Kella Moore knows a lot
Speaker 1: about what he's looking at in regard to the offense,
Speaker 1: And what you just said is exactly why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going along with this. So if you're looking for
Speaker 1: a rational argument for why this is the case, that's it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I actually I agree with you, Amber,
Speaker 1: and I'd take it one step further. And I know
Speaker 1: we talked about this couple weeks ago, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of going back on what I thought back then. I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced that if if Dak knockling Wood does go down,
Speaker 1: does go down for an extended period of time, that
Speaker 1: that Kellen would be the guy that they'd want to
Speaker 1: be the backup. I kind of think if it's for
Speaker 1: an extended period of time, maybe they go with Rush
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we think he's the better quarterback. And again,
Speaker 1: we still have more there. Who can be the whisper,
Speaker 1: who can be the guy that's on the sideline giving
Speaker 1: him the kind of feedback that we want him to
Speaker 1: have during the game. Um, Now, if we have a
Speaker 1: short term thing, maybe we go with the guy with
Speaker 1: a little more experience. But if it's a longer term thing,
Speaker 1: maybe we go with the guy that we think is
Speaker 1: better but just doesn't have the experience and we'll just
Speaker 1: have to move along with the difference will probably be like,
Speaker 1: you know, what their record is, and what they how
Speaker 1: much part of the season has left, and do they
Speaker 1: think it's solvageable and if there anybody else that's out
Speaker 1: there that they can get and you know what's it's
Speaker 1: Tony in shape. I mean, just all those those questions
Speaker 1: you've got to ask yourself. He looks like he is
Speaker 1: just based on you know, seeing him on team. You know,
Speaker 1: so I agree with that. I agree with what Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore serves from from like the mentor you know, standpoint.
Speaker 1: But if that's the case, then then I agree with
Speaker 1: you earlier Derek that that they had to have a
Speaker 1: deal in place, And I don't know if that's even
Speaker 1: legal to say, but they probably had some kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll put you out there, but you know, keep your
Speaker 1: phone by you unless unless one of the other teams called,
Speaker 1: then then you can like ignore that call because we'll
Speaker 1: be calling you back. I'm excited for Sunday because we
Speaker 1: can just talk about the starting quarterback exactly. But you know,
Speaker 1: the thing that I think it would be one thing
Speaker 1: if it was another situation. But I don't think the
Speaker 1: Rico Gather situation is good. I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: smart deal for the Cowboys either. That's why I think
Speaker 1: this whole thing kind of reeks, because he needs to
Speaker 1: if you if you really like him and you want
Speaker 1: him to continue to and grow, then he didn't you know,
Speaker 1: play him and practice him for sure. I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring that up, and it kind of got lost in
Speaker 1: the shuffle, which I agree with you. If he's if
Speaker 1: he's good to go, he needs practice more than anybody else.
Speaker 1: But I do want to say we don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: and no two concussions are created equal. Like I mentioned
Speaker 1: on Sidney Crosby was out for like months and months
Speaker 1: with a concussion that he couldn't podcast, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: I know, but it's still I'm just selling for fans
Speaker 1: out there listening. It might not know the name right,
Speaker 1: but you know it's no, those two things aren't created equal.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to the rant I always have
Speaker 1: about you know, people look at football players is like
Speaker 1: they're on Madden and it's like, Okay, concussion, that's one
Speaker 1: week and then you're back out there. It's not the
Speaker 1: way it works. I mean, and it was a nasty
Speaker 1: hit that he took, so he might still be having
Speaker 1: trouble getting over this for all we know. And if
Speaker 1: he really is still messed up, then he doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be practicing. He needs to be resting because that's
Speaker 1: his life basically. And if there were gonna be let's
Speaker 1: say two more weeks to this injury, that means really,
Speaker 1: it was only four weeks that you're giving up of practice.
Speaker 1: And be honest with you right now, I don't think he.
Speaker 1: I don't think he. I think he's probably an active
Speaker 1: if you were out I instant the practice side of it.
Speaker 1: But they look at it and they say, let's assume
Speaker 1: it's four to six weeks of mispractice time. Does that
Speaker 1: really set him back? You know, maybe it doesn't. Maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't if you can then get him back after
Speaker 1: that time, he starts back practicing and maybe by the
Speaker 1: end of the season he's able to contribute something. Most
Speaker 1: likely it's probably not contributing anything for the rest of
Speaker 1: this year. Really, again, you're working. You're just trying to
Speaker 1: get him time, reps in practice to get him ready
Speaker 1: for hopefully next year, to be able to I don't
Speaker 1: agree with you, Nick. I mean, I don't mind them
Speaker 1: making this move, and just for this reason. Although he
Speaker 1: had a great preseason, he was doing wonderful and I
Speaker 1: really don't think he was going to contribute that much anyways.
Speaker 1: And yes, he should be practicing, and he should not
Speaker 1: have that stop and kind of let the rhythm end
Speaker 1: and just kind of, you know, it is good to
Speaker 1: kind of keep it going. But either way, I don't
Speaker 1: think he would have done much anyways. Well, I agree
Speaker 1: he was going to be an act of every game,
Speaker 1: but I just think that that's I mean, it affects
Speaker 1: him if that's something like eighteen or twenty practices that
Speaker 1: don't miss out. I think what I've been saying all along.
Speaker 1: I think I said this three to four weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore should be on your practice squad, like he
Speaker 1: should be your practice squad quarterback. Nobody's taking him, No
Speaker 1: one's gonna poach him off and put him on their team, clearly,
Speaker 1: so put him on your practice squad. Why does he
Speaker 1: have to be on the fifty three. If Dad gets
Speaker 1: hurt in a game, knock on wood, Cooper Rush is
Speaker 1: gonna have to go in there and finish the game.
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be it's gonna be tough either way,
Speaker 1: So let him be your third quarterback. But isn't there
Speaker 1: that side of this that we don't know? If there
Speaker 1: were teams that were possibly interested in signing him and
Speaker 1: he wanted to come back to the Cowboys, that's what
Speaker 1: we don't know. And if that's the case, you put
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad. There is no guarantee he's
Speaker 1: not gonna go somewhere else, right, Well, I mean they
Speaker 1: did it with Rico. You can do the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, you can pay Rico. Rico made first year
Speaker 1: salary last year and instead of the practice squad for
Speaker 1: that got so you can make the money make yeah,
Speaker 1: you could. I think he's eligible for the practice squad.
Speaker 1: I would just put him on the practice squad to
Speaker 1: be honest with you. All Right, let's move on. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the defensive line. They were
Speaker 1: table moves and sending him on the road, make sure
Speaker 1: he comes every game. There were a couple moves that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys made on the defensive line that I thought
Speaker 1: were interesting and worth noting. Uh they acquired Brian price
Speaker 1: Um as a defensive tackle. They also released Cedric Thornton,
Speaker 1: which last week when we were talking about the team,
Speaker 1: we assumed he was going to make the team, But
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, if you go back through
Speaker 1: training camp, he was he was injured some of it UM,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he necessarily turned a lot of
Speaker 1: heads and made anybody feel like, hey, he's a guy
Speaker 1: that's important. Stephen Piatt came in basically take the job
Speaker 1: as a starter when they were expecting. I think that
Speaker 1: Cedric Thornton was going to be the starter. You know.
Speaker 1: We did a show UM on Friday night and Brian hosted,
Speaker 1: I brought us hosted. It was projecting the fifty three
Speaker 1: the way. I wish we would have had a little
Speaker 1: bit longer time for that to be up, because yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was really interesting. But when when when
Speaker 1: thor his name came up, Dave, you remember there was
Speaker 1: a slight pause and everybody else like lock, yeah, lock,
Speaker 1: lock it in Pia and it was Thornton's name. It
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a pause. I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot, yeah, yeah, go ahead, don't lock it just
Speaker 1: kind of leaked the lock kind of open. We've talked
Speaker 1: about him on the show before and I think somebody
Speaker 1: maybe even called in when we were in Oxnard and
Speaker 1: asked about him being cut, and it was always I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be cut because they don't want to
Speaker 1: eat that money. It was never like it was never
Speaker 1: like he's just you gotta have him. It was like, well,
Speaker 1: they'll owe him this and then there's just dead money
Speaker 1: on their cap, and I don't see him doing that.
Speaker 1: And clearly, you know, yeah, I would have said he underperformed,
Speaker 1: and think anybody would, but I'm still relatively surprised that
Speaker 1: they thought he was so bad that they didn't mind
Speaker 1: eating that money. So explain the money situation. How much
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys give up and dead money? How much
Speaker 1: was he's he gonna be counting this year and money
Speaker 1: that they're gonna that's gonna hit the cap? How much
Speaker 1: was guaranteed him? What's the money situation of this move?
Speaker 1: So it was a four year seven nineteen eighteen million
Speaker 1: dollars deal. He had three million coming to him this
Speaker 1: year that there was guaranteed that they're just going to eat,
Speaker 1: and then I think it drops down to to something
Speaker 1: next year. Now there is some offset language in there
Speaker 1: that if he does sign right another team. But if
Speaker 1: he's not, he's not going to sign with anything major.
Speaker 1: They will make up the difference between just like the
Speaker 1: Browns and Osweiler with Denver, they will make up the
Speaker 1: difference between whatever he signs for. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's clearly not going to sign for as
Speaker 1: much as he signed here, but you would assume even
Speaker 1: if he's making vet minimum, that'll take a you know,
Speaker 1: roughly a million off the cost. But he is he
Speaker 1: that that a player where you're willing to eat three
Speaker 1: million dollars for him, not tet. I didn't think so.
Speaker 1: I didn't think so either, And I was like, great,
Speaker 1: he'll be your third or fourth tackle. He'll he won't
Speaker 1: be first on the field. He'll you know, he's mainly
Speaker 1: a run stuffer, not great, but you play this year
Speaker 1: and even you know next year. Contracts always, the way
Speaker 1: they structured contracts, they always become more palatable after the
Speaker 1: second year. So you wouldn't have surprised me at all
Speaker 1: to see him be a free agency time cut next year.
Speaker 1: But even right now, I'm kind of surprised that they
Speaker 1: were like, nope, we just were ready to go a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. You got to do one of two things,
Speaker 1: and if you can do both, then you're going to
Speaker 1: be a pro bowler. But you've got to be You've
Speaker 1: got to hold up in the run. You've got to
Speaker 1: fill those gaps, and you've got to take on double
Speaker 1: teams and not get blown off the ball. You got
Speaker 1: to show you know, some some of that that size
Speaker 1: and strength, or you've got to get up the field
Speaker 1: quickly and get to the quarterback and shared the blocks,
Speaker 1: I mean, and be disruptive. Yeah, make plays if you
Speaker 1: can do both, and you really are a good player.
Speaker 1: And Malie Collins is looking like he could maybe be both.
Speaker 1: But Thornton was neither. He really wasn't. He wasn't a
Speaker 1: guy that you thought was really quick and was making
Speaker 1: plays behind the line of scrimmage. And he wasn't a
Speaker 1: guy that was just kind of man handling the gardens
Speaker 1: center and all that. So he was kind of just
Speaker 1: a guy and just the guy making a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But it's still prising though, it's still surprising to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay this money to go. So so with
Speaker 1: that being said, I don't think any of us necessarily
Speaker 1: think that was or understand that move. Does that say
Speaker 1: more about Brian Price and maybe what he is, because
Speaker 1: you weren't gonna have both of them. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: keep four defensive tackles on this team. So does that
Speaker 1: maybe suggest that they feel like he really adds something
Speaker 1: significant to their rotation? There for them to say, we'll
Speaker 1: pay three million for you to go at us to
Speaker 1: be able to replace you with this guy, it has
Speaker 1: to be that way. I mean, otherwise it definitely it
Speaker 1: wouldn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to me why
Speaker 1: they made this move in the first place. But they
Speaker 1: know more than I do, so I'm sure they see
Speaker 1: something in Price. Then Yeah, I don't think it's so
Speaker 1: much about price. I think it's the price was better.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody was just better than him, and so
Speaker 1: who's it gonna be? Well, it was this guy. But
Speaker 1: is he that much better though? No, I mean he
Speaker 1: can't be much better. This has to be more about
Speaker 1: Thornton being off the team. Off the team. It's not
Speaker 1: like we gotta get priced, gotta get pricefell who were
Speaker 1: gonna cut price for? I guess Thornton, And we're gonna
Speaker 1: move Thornton. But he could be a better fit, like,
Speaker 1: for example, I think Pie as an example of that,
Speaker 1: nobody said in the offseason, this is the greatest free
Speaker 1: agent signing. However, he got here and you start seeing
Speaker 1: him in this system and saying, wow, this guy's pretty
Speaker 1: good in this system, right, I think it would be
Speaker 1: disingenuous to try to convince anybody that a guy that
Speaker 1: was part of somebody else's roster cuts is like this
Speaker 1: massive upgrade that you need to be doing cartwheels about.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he turns out to be a great player,
Speaker 1: but and well, that's the thing, and that's that goes
Speaker 1: to Knick's first point. Right, if you go back and
Speaker 1: we talked about this too, you kind of had a
Speaker 1: like a side eye glance at Richard ashe because he
Speaker 1: is a completely different defensive tackle than any of the
Speaker 1: other ones that they have on the roster. He's just
Speaker 1: a big guy. It's hard to move, probably not going
Speaker 1: to generate a ton of pass rush, but he can
Speaker 1: clog up the line, and that's what Brian Price appears
Speaker 1: to be even more so. Honestly, he's six three three twenty,
Speaker 1: so he's I don't know for sure, but I think
Speaker 1: he's the biggest one tech that they've had here. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and how much does Rod Marinelli love those guys.
Speaker 1: He loved Nick Hayden. Nick Hayden was Kellen Moore before
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. Nobody understood why he was here, but Rob
Speaker 1: Marinelli loved him and he did a job. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and try to tell you
Speaker 1: that Brian Price is like the man, but he I
Speaker 1: think can be a better nose tackle than anybody else
Speaker 1: on this roster. Because that was the problem with Thornton.
Speaker 1: He was never going to beat out Malik to be
Speaker 1: the three technique obviously, and same thing with Paia. Pie
Speaker 1: is so good at generating pressure, but he was a
Speaker 1: three four end moving into this system and he wasn't
Speaker 1: sturdy enough to really be that space eater that you want,
Speaker 1: which so I think Brian Price might be able to
Speaker 1: do that a little bit better. I'm, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and act like he's
Speaker 1: a pro bowler, but he fits I think he fits
Speaker 1: the scheme a little bit better. And I'm still surprised
Speaker 1: that they were so adamant about this that they were
Speaker 1: willing to eat that salary to do it. But in
Speaker 1: that regard, at least it makes sense. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: take our final break, will come back, and I do
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit more about a couple
Speaker 1: other a couple other moves that Cowboys made picking up
Speaker 1: a linebacker and a cornerback. I will talk about that
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. We're in the final segment of the show. Um,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for joining us. It was fun. This
Speaker 1: is all. This is all fun, getting it feel. If
Speaker 1: it's felt contentious, I get maybe this the Zeke stuff
Speaker 1: just puts me on. We've had much more contential. This
Speaker 1: has been fun because it's good to get back on
Speaker 1: and this week one. So starting tomorrow, as we those
Speaker 1: of you who have been listening to our show for years,
Speaker 1: even though Dave and Amber are new to the show,
Speaker 1: we're not going to change what we do. So this year,
Speaker 1: as we do every every year, on Wednesdays and Thursdays,
Speaker 1: will really dive deep into the game. Talk about the
Speaker 1: other team, their offense, their defense. Give you guys an
Speaker 1: idea of what we can expect as far as matchups
Speaker 1: on either side. Um, and so Dave be ready. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this show with Brian more than Dave does.
Speaker 1: She actually does, so she's probably we're going to add
Speaker 1: a little more to this conversation than Dave will. I've
Speaker 1: been doing this show with regularity for like three or
Speaker 1: four years, like I know, I don't know if it's regularity,
Speaker 1: maybe once a month regular and regular know how the
Speaker 1: routine works. Okay, So all right, well good, so we're
Speaker 1: ready to go tomorrow we'll jump into that. We'll probably
Speaker 1: jump into the into the Giants maybe the Giants offense
Speaker 1: versus the Cowboys defense tomorrow and then flip it for
Speaker 1: the next day. All right, let's get into I did
Speaker 1: want to talk about a couple of other acquisitions Cowboys made.
Speaker 1: They acquired linebacker Jerome Elliott, and he was a The
Speaker 1: interesting thing about this was he was a three four
Speaker 1: linebacker with the Green Bay Packers outside linebacker. What does
Speaker 1: that fit on this Cowboys because you would think, okay,
Speaker 1: this has to be a move to making a move
Speaker 1: to be able to help them with the loss of
Speaker 1: Hitchens for whatever period of time, that's gonna be. But
Speaker 1: how does an outside three four linebacker fit in a
Speaker 1: four three defensive with the Cowboys? Well, I think that
Speaker 1: where they're gonna play him as mainly if you if
Speaker 1: you watch some of the highlights on him, he's tackling
Speaker 1: the punt turner a lot, So they're gonna play him
Speaker 1: a lot on special teams. Um, if they needed to
Speaker 1: be in a situation where that he needed to rush
Speaker 1: the pastor he probably may probably would be better than
Speaker 1: Kyle Wilbert as a defensive end to do that in
Speaker 1: a in a third and twelve situation, if you need
Speaker 1: to to have a guy that can just get off
Speaker 1: the edge, because when when you're new to the team,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of the concepts you need to
Speaker 1: learn there. I mean, there's your guy, there's the tackle,
Speaker 1: get around him and get to the quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: and then from a special team standpoint, I think that's
Speaker 1: what they'll use him. He was just a better option
Speaker 1: than Mark Nazacha at this point. Oh, I think they're
Speaker 1: trying to get back, trying to get back to practice, practice,
Speaker 1: squad not official yet. Um, I think he's been claimed.
Speaker 1: Jay Ron Elliott has Kyle Wilburt right now over him.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, absolutely. I mean he's a little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: and I think he's more athletic. But I think Wilbur's
Speaker 1: finally at a point where obviously he makes his money
Speaker 1: on special teams, but he's slimmed down enough to where
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 1: use him as a pass rusher. But Elliott can, He
Speaker 1: could probably, he could probably play sam if you need
Speaker 1: him to. He could probably play in if you needed
Speaker 1: him to. And he's gonna play like four special teams.
Speaker 1: So he's just kind of that jack of all trades
Speaker 1: help us get through this stretch where we're down a linebacker. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna win somebody some money too. If they
Speaker 1: bet you know that Elliott would play a week one
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys roster, make sure you specify kids. One
Speaker 1: more player that Cowboys acquired, cornerback ben A ben Wickery
Speaker 1: they traded for him. Um tell me what he what
Speaker 1: he adds to the group, because I know that there
Speaker 1: are obviously there's a lot of any problems for our
Speaker 1: pa announcer in the booth, that's gonna be a big problem.
Speaker 1: But when, but when you look at it from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of the experienced level of the depth at the
Speaker 1: cornerback position. Um, it seems like this move was made
Speaker 1: for the purposes of being able to add a little
Speaker 1: more experience to that to that depth. You guys agree
Speaker 1: with that, We don't know for sure that should have
Speaker 1: be a Woozier and Jordan Lewis are even going to
Speaker 1: play they I mean they had very limited camps Lewis
Speaker 1: and didn't have one at all, so you know, if
Speaker 1: they're active, they're probably not gonna be able to do
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's probably going to take them weeks
Speaker 1: with an S to really get up to speed where
Speaker 1: you can expect them to play like the highly touted
Speaker 1: draft picks that they are. So you trade away a
Speaker 1: not very valuable conditional draft pick. I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't remember off the top of my head, but
Speaker 1: he has to be on the forty six for X
Speaker 1: amount of weeks for the pick to even qualify. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you use him for two weeks and
Speaker 1: then Cheeto and Jordan look great and you cut him,
Speaker 1: then you didn't give up anything to get him. I
Speaker 1: think that's worth noting. So and that's Brian uses the
Speaker 1: term bridge player all the time. This is a bridge
Speaker 1: player over a very short span. I mean, maybe he'll
Speaker 1: be fantastic and have a longer term future here, but
Speaker 1: this is to help you get through this month or
Speaker 1: so where your rookies maybe aren't quite ready to play.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take some calls. You guys can call
Speaker 1: us the numbers two, one, four, eight seven two twenty
Speaker 1: one oh two. You can call us about questions you
Speaker 1: may have, or if you have an opinion about the roster,
Speaker 1: the final roster, or at least the final roster as
Speaker 1: of now, make sure you give us a call again
Speaker 1: the number two, one, four, eight seven two twenty one
Speaker 1: oh two. We can also take questions on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Cowboys Break and but let's start with the question from Twitter.
Speaker 1: Chicano ask, I have a question, how come we switched
Speaker 1: from a three to four to a four three? For
Speaker 1: some reason? I felt like our defense was more aggressive
Speaker 1: in a three four, and they haven't played a three.
Speaker 1: I didn't cover this team last time they played three four.
Speaker 1: They've been in Rod's scheme since since I started. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, Nick, what do you think? I mean?
Speaker 1: It's all about the personnel that you have, and that
Speaker 1: was about the time when they were losing the Marcus
Speaker 1: ware and Anthony Spencer off the edge, they had some
Speaker 1: of the bigger ends, I guess, but I mean it
Speaker 1: was it was more about, let's let's switch this up
Speaker 1: a little bit from Rob Ryan's defense and to get
Speaker 1: something different. We had a chance to get Monty Kiffin
Speaker 1: came in and then obviously Rod Marinelli and those two guys,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what they played. Was the was
Speaker 1: the four to three. So we talked about that actually
Speaker 1: in the UM press box. Was it last game you
Speaker 1: ask me? I kind of asked you the question of like,
Speaker 1: how many players do you think it would take for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to make that switch? Um, well, the only
Speaker 1: thing I really like is having Jalen Samith and Sean
Speaker 1: Lee in the middle of a three four I think
Speaker 1: that would be pretty good. Other than that, I don't
Speaker 1: have any honestly, don't have an outside linebacker. That's the
Speaker 1: thing the most in my opinion, one of the most
Speaker 1: important things of a three four defense is you need
Speaker 1: to have that guy screaming around the edge, and I
Speaker 1: don't don't have it. I know you don't have it.
Speaker 1: I was about say, I don't think you have it.
Speaker 1: I know you don't have that guy, Like, you don't
Speaker 1: have a DeMarcus Sware type guy who can also maybe
Speaker 1: drop back in coverage or play the flat or just
Speaker 1: have the athletic ability to play that way. The personnel
Speaker 1: that they have on hand would be so screwed if
Speaker 1: they tried to play three four right now. I don't
Speaker 1: have anybody. They don't. Actually, you know who would be
Speaker 1: awesome in a three four Lee Collins at the end, No,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, Oh yeah, if he get on the field,
Speaker 1: that yeah, good question, So it would I. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like the three four because it allows you to
Speaker 1: be super versatile, and I think it's easier to find
Speaker 1: pass rushers for a three four. But at this point,
Speaker 1: for the time being, at least you're kind of committed
Speaker 1: to it. And I like, I like this defense when
Speaker 1: you've got the pieces that you need to run it
Speaker 1: well on't. I mean, my favorite defense if recent memory
Speaker 1: was this defense in Chicago, And like, when you've got
Speaker 1: the guys who can do it, it's pretty good. Chun
Speaker 1: Lee has been healthier in this defense to playing the
Speaker 1: weak side as well than playing right there. In the middle.
Speaker 1: But I do think having him and Jaylen Smith they
Speaker 1: would be really good, but subject to more injury. You
Speaker 1: don't have the big defensive tackle either, and you don't
Speaker 1: have you don't have big defense big linebackers. You need
Speaker 1: bigger linebackers a lot of times. I know when Bill
Speaker 1: Parcel's got here and he switched, one of the things
Speaker 1: he always talked about was like, you know, these linebackers
Speaker 1: aren't really big. At the time, I think it was,
Speaker 1: and they they proved to be better than they but
Speaker 1: he also said that they were special players, like from
Speaker 1: the stay point that most guys that size cannot pull
Speaker 1: it off. He didn't think that Win was going to
Speaker 1: be able to pull it off like he did Um
Speaker 1: and Kakeley, right, But but I do think that you
Speaker 1: need you probably want bigger linebackers than what you have
Speaker 1: right now. Is only really the guy, right Janala Smith
Speaker 1: is really the only guy at linebacker position that's probably
Speaker 1: big enough to play at middle linebacker in a three four.
Speaker 1: I would hate it for Malie Collins if he got
Speaker 1: switched into a three four though. That's the other thing
Speaker 1: is I mean, you can make a difference there if
Speaker 1: you're a good player. Think about J. J. Watt, You
Speaker 1: can't defensive end. That's about the only guy. But there
Speaker 1: was a guy from Pittsburgh, yeah years ago. Was no
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about was his name? It wasn't Aaron Schobel.
Speaker 1: It was it was a white guy. That's why I
Speaker 1: was thinking Aaron Schobel. But Ki Kissel was a defensive end.
Speaker 1: But there was another guy too. I thought that was
Speaker 1: pretty good at defensive end. That was kind of a
Speaker 1: difference may Maker type player. But it also depends on
Speaker 1: what kind of three four you're talking about. Like Bill
Speaker 1: Street four defensive end. All you're gonna do is take
Speaker 1: on blocks and then decide whether you go on one
Speaker 1: way or the other. You know, in Wades, the three
Speaker 1: four defensive ends expect to get up feel. So it's
Speaker 1: a little different depending on what kind of three four
Speaker 1: you talking about. With the resources that they've sunk into
Speaker 1: running this defense, I think it would be a mistake
Speaker 1: any right now. I agree. I mean, Malik is just
Speaker 1: starting out on his deal. You just drafted Taco, who
Speaker 1: would be I don't like the thought of him. You
Speaker 1: don't think Taco would be good as a stand up
Speaker 1: guy on the outside. Maybe maybe he could be good
Speaker 1: as a three four end. He'd be an end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: him and him and David Irving would be the three
Speaker 1: four end. Don't think he's athletic enough to play d
Speaker 1: You know what's you say? All this and we're wasting
Speaker 1: time talking about something that's not going to happen. But
Speaker 1: like you never thought Jay Ratloff would be a good
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the in three four and he put
Speaker 1: or hold up for the Pro Bowl four years in
Speaker 1: a row. All right, let's go. Let's get a phone call.
Speaker 1: We got a call from Johnny in North Carolina. Johnny,
Speaker 1: what up? What's going on? How are you doing today?
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing good work right now? Um?
Speaker 1: Quick question? Do you think Jeff he will start or
Speaker 1: do you think Xaviel would? Because I got my Ireland
Speaker 1: Woods David Helman, what's going on? Man? It's my second
Speaker 1: time talking to you. Hey, what's going on? Dude? There's
Speaker 1: not much from you? Hey, stay strong against Brian broadest Man.
Speaker 1: He's a tough cookie. Ah, he's a big teddy bear. Okay,
Speaker 1: appreciate that, but yeah, that's my question. All right, thanks
Speaker 1: for the call. Well, just keep watching the sidelines because
Speaker 1: that's where Xavier Woods is going to be. You get
Speaker 1: your eye on him this game. I mean, Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: is gonna start, but this game, yes, go ahead. Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods will probably play special teams. Do you think he'll
Speaker 1: be inactive? We kind of got into an argument about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Brian made the astute observation that they
Speaker 1: preferred address all four safeties. That's about say, you can
Speaker 1: play special teams, and again, I think you want to
Speaker 1: use probably three, if not four safeties in your different
Speaker 1: sub packages and stuff. So I'm not gonna be surprised
Speaker 1: to see him on the field at some point. But
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath is going to start at safety. Do you
Speaker 1: think that that changes at some point this season? I'm
Speaker 1: if he gives up him seventy three yard touchdown to
Speaker 1: you know, Larry Fitzgerald or something in Week three and
Speaker 1: he hasn't played well the first two games, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could make a change if if you feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you feel like these guys are better. I think that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be better though. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: better than the other two. Yeah, he's gonna be in position.
Speaker 1: See and people just they don't really think he's that
Speaker 1: great of an athlete, but he's one of the better
Speaker 1: athletes on the team, So you can just kind of
Speaker 1: take that stereotype and put it over there that that's
Speaker 1: not the case. And he is around the ball. He
Speaker 1: makes more plays than these other guys probably in the
Speaker 1: secondary have made combined. I bet he's had the ball
Speaker 1: in his hand twice as much as Orlando Scandrick. Ever,
Speaker 1: that's probably fair. So I it's the same thing I
Speaker 1: keep saying. Jeff Heath is gonna get credit on the
Speaker 1: stat sheet for sixteen starts as long as he's healthy.
Speaker 1: I think that. But Woods and Cavan will have their
Speaker 1: role to play, and they'll rotate him in, and they'll
Speaker 1: have three safeties on the field at certain times, and
Speaker 1: those guys will probably finish with, you know, thirty or
Speaker 1: thirty five tackles and maybe even make some plays. But
Speaker 1: when you look at the stat sheet, that says, you know,
Speaker 1: when they run the intro at the beginning of the game,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath will be the starter. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: another question from Twitter. Well, I'm seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about the defense, and we are already in week one.
Speaker 1: How are you guys feeling about the defense overall, just
Speaker 1: in general at this point, I hold my breath a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, they got you gotta get the
Speaker 1: Giants coming in, and it doesn't really matter if if
Speaker 1: I mean, it does matter if Odell Beckham plays the game.
Speaker 1: But I do think that they're going to be I've
Speaker 1: seen Eli Manning come in with a lot less uh
Speaker 1: you know, weapons on offense and still do well. He
Speaker 1: plays well there. The Cowboys Giants always will have these
Speaker 1: these interesting games. Sometimes they're shootouts, sometimes they're low scoring,
Speaker 1: but they're always gonna be good games. And I just
Speaker 1: think that, you know, with the suspensions that you have
Speaker 1: on defense, you have some injuries, you have concerns with
Speaker 1: the corners and with Crawford, I think you hold your
Speaker 1: breath a little bit there on defense. Yeah, Hitchens, sorry
Speaker 1: I forgot Hitchens. That's a big injury. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's a huge injury. But I don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's changed since before the season. I
Speaker 1: think they're the same. To me, they're the same defense
Speaker 1: that they were when we when we went into training camp.
Speaker 1: I know you guys didn't know with me on that,
Speaker 1: but I think I bet you don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say ahead, but I I don't feel great about
Speaker 1: the defense and I never have. But through the last
Speaker 1: six weeks, do you kind of feel like maybe the
Speaker 1: pass rush will be better than we give it credit for.
Speaker 1: Maybe if MALIEK Collins can be a difference maker. Malik
Speaker 1: looks like a potential difference maker. Yeah, Stephen Paya looks
Speaker 1: like a potential difference maker. DeMarcus started slow, but I
Speaker 1: really felt like he kind of came on at the
Speaker 1: end of camp. Yeah. I don't know what to think
Speaker 1: about Mayowa because he's been on and off with his
Speaker 1: knee so much, but he led the team in sacks
Speaker 1: and that counts for something last year I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: So that's four guys that are pretty nice right there.
Speaker 1: I would feel better if David Irving was was sure
Speaker 1: I would feel and I was about to throw in
Speaker 1: Demontre Moore right maybe was the most consistently good edge
Speaker 1: rusher on the entire team through all of training camp
Speaker 1: and he's only out for two games. That's not that bad.
Speaker 1: So do I think they're gonna get sixty sacks? No?
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I kind of feel like maybe
Speaker 1: they'll be better than we give than people give them
Speaker 1: credit for, especially against the Giants O line that I
Speaker 1: don't think it's very good, but I agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. I don't know if I think they may
Speaker 1: have taken a step back, especially if you're just talking
Speaker 1: about week one. I think they may have taken a
Speaker 1: step back in the secondary. I don't feel as comfortable
Speaker 1: with that guys that they have in the second, specifically
Speaker 1: at the cornerback position, as I did last year at
Speaker 1: the cornerback. That's why I made sure to preface that
Speaker 1: the unit as a whole, you lose hitch. The rookies
Speaker 1: aren't ready. The secondary didn't look great in the dress rehearsal.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that great about the defense as a whole,
Speaker 1: but I feel better about the pass rush, and I
Speaker 1: think everybody would agree that a good pass rush can
Speaker 1: ask a lot of other problems with that. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if it's that much better to mask the difference.
Speaker 1: So I guess my point is with the changes, if
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit better about one area, I
Speaker 1: don't feel as good about another. So I still think
Speaker 1: you got pretty much the same pretty much. It be
Speaker 1: point where it's like over all just all of it
Speaker 1: we feel good about. But I will say this though too,
Speaker 1: I also don't agree that this was that the defense
Speaker 1: was horrible last year. I think the defense was an
Speaker 1: average defense, and so I still think they're an average defense.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're the type of defense that's the
Speaker 1: worst in the league. Also don't think they're anywhere near
Speaker 1: being the best in the league. If the offense does
Speaker 1: what it did last year, they should be fine the
Speaker 1: majority of the games that they play. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think that this ruling, this decision, whatever comes down
Speaker 1: with Zeke, I think Rod Marinelli is going to be
Speaker 1: the most interested person in the room because I think
Speaker 1: that his defense, if they can get the offense can
Speaker 1: move the ball and can kind of give them some
Speaker 1: rest and kind of stay on the field, get first down,
Speaker 1: to do all those things. I think that'll help this
Speaker 1: defense and kind of how it's been structured a little
Speaker 1: bit this year, but without it, and we saw in
Speaker 1: the Packer game last year it was an average defense.
Speaker 1: You're right, but for the most part they got by
Speaker 1: with it because the offense was moving the ball. But
Speaker 1: when they when they struggled out of the gate against
Speaker 1: Green Bay, then they got exposed a little bit more
Speaker 1: are so, but still we're in position to win and
Speaker 1: make that. They buckled down and you know, they made
Speaker 1: it a tight game and all that, but then at
Speaker 1: the end they got by the probably the best in
Speaker 1: the league, if not the second best. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take We're done with for today. We'll be back tomorrow. Remember,
Speaker 1: tomorrow we'll talk about the Giants offense versus the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: Start breaking that down, getting you guys ready for opening Sunday.
Speaker 1: Till then for Nick Eatman, David Helman, Ambergarcia, I'm Derek Haklson.
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