WEBVTT - Selects: How Peanut Butter Works

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. It's Chuck And in COVID time it's May fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and on this Saturday Select, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you an episode called How Peanut Butter Works. And boy,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy, I remember loving this one. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>was eating a lot of peanut butter at the time

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<v Speaker 1>during COVID because we had a good store of it already,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love peanut butter, and I think we talk

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about how much we both like peanut butter.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, it's bound to make you hungry. And

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<v Speaker 1>the good news is now you can just go right

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<v Speaker 1>to your store and pick it up and smile a

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<v Speaker 1>real smile at people, just not hidden behind a mask.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's celebrate that. Go out and get some peanut

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<v Speaker 1>butter and smile. Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to peanut Butter Jelly Time. I'm Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Chuck. We haven't seen Jerry in a while. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have seen Jerry, please tell her to call home.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jerry, she sent out in a smoke signal that

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<v Speaker 1>said send me, so she did.

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<v Speaker 2>She did, and we send some on donkey back in

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<v Speaker 2>that general direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you peanut butter or jelly in this scenario?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be peanut buttered. You always make me

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<v Speaker 2>be jelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we should level set here at the beginning, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about if you like peanut butter, which is

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite, and then what you like how do you

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<v Speaker 1>utilize it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? My name is Josh C. And I love peanut butter. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>almost only smooth. I will eat chunky the if civilization

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<v Speaker 2>is collapsed and that's all I can find. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>eat it any way, shape or form. Sometimes just peanut

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<v Speaker 2>butter on a spoon. Sometimes peanut butter on a spoon

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<v Speaker 2>with a little divot made with my tongue filled with

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<v Speaker 2>local honey. If you want to get tubby really fast,

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<v Speaker 2>let me introduce you to the wonder that is a

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<v Speaker 2>spoonful of peanut butter scooped in some cool whip. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but really, any kind of peanut butter anytime, I will

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<v Speaker 2>eat it. And I've noticed that once I reached my forties,

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<v Speaker 2>peanut butter sticks around me a lot more than it

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<v Speaker 2>used to, so I'm having a real struggle with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you want to buzzmarkt your favorite brand?

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<v Speaker 2>We used this Jeff Natural that's like it's like in

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<v Speaker 2>a brown container, and I like it so much. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never I purposely never looked at the label because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to know how natural it is. But my

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<v Speaker 2>all time favorite is Reese's peanut butter, like the like

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<v Speaker 2>Have you had it.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean in the jar?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh it's so good. I think I've had it once.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was raised on Jeff Now go well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was raised on whatever the gigantic gallon tub is that

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<v Speaker 1>you used to it and Ladies Yeah, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was any of those names. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I love peanut butter. It's one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite things in the world. And I will go crunchy

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<v Speaker 1>or smooth no matter. I love them both. I also

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<v Speaker 1>like it with honey. Yeah, I like it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this much obviously because it's just I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years old, but a peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the best things in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've never had that? Is it good? Really? Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any cuby Yes? Do peanut butter and

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<v Speaker 1>cupe sammy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so half in half or more peanut butter than

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<v Speaker 2>mayo or what.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of your your jam. I definitely don't go

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<v Speaker 1>light on the mayo because you've got to have that tang. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>peanut butter and marshmallow fluff I used to eat when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. Yeah, that's good stuff fluff or nutter,

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<v Speaker 1>And now I don't eat the sugary hydrogenated types. I

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<v Speaker 1>either have one of the sort of artisan natural kinds

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<v Speaker 1>you have to mix up or just that. The cap

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<v Speaker 1>Farmers Market grinds the peanuts right in front of your

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<v Speaker 1>face into a tub and hands it to.

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<v Speaker 2>You, right in front of your face, and it says

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<v Speaker 2>beat it. You can't have any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just peanuts obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and maybe a little bit of salt. Do they

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<v Speaker 2>add any salt or is it really just peanuts?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just peanuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I wonder if they salt the peanuts when they

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<v Speaker 2>roast them thing, because I've always seen like peanuts with

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit of salt, Like you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>peanut butter any other way. But maybe maybe they figured

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<v Speaker 2>out they'd cracked the code.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, they may be salted and roasted. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea about the peanut, but it's good. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all good, but I have to mix, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to put a little bit of honey in there,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe a little bit of a gave to give

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<v Speaker 1>it a little bit of a sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a good idea. Yeah, I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you. I've not had any artists and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did a little research and found a couple I

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<v Speaker 2>want to try, and I didn't know, like, is it

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<v Speaker 2>just straight up adult kind of stuff where you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really good, but you're wishing that you had like

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<v Speaker 2>the Nasty Big three brand instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, if you don't add any sweetener, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not nearly as good as you know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think the naturals are all kind of the same as

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<v Speaker 1>far as sweetness level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the best I could discern is that if you're

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<v Speaker 2>paying for artisan craft peanut butter and buddy you're paying,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like supposedly they have, you know, depending on the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of peanuts that are chosen, the variety of peanuts,

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<v Speaker 2>the way that it's roasted, almost like a coffee or

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<v Speaker 2>a wine or something like that. There's like a sophisticated

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<v Speaker 2>palette or tear wir that you really have to pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to. That to me is kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of what peanut butter is supposed to be. It's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to just be like this dumb, messy thing where

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<v Speaker 2>you know your hair is totally normal, and you start

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<v Speaker 2>eating the peanut butter and you suddenly have like a

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<v Speaker 2>cow lick and you're wearing a striped shirt that shows

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<v Speaker 2>your gut kind of thing. You know, like you just

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<v Speaker 2>regress an age. But I also get wanting to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>peanut butter in a healthy way because it is surprisingly

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<v Speaker 2>from what I saw, it is healthier than you would

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<v Speaker 2>suspect if done right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, not a big glob of peter pan with cup

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<v Speaker 1>mayonnaise and potato chips smashed in between white bread. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I am too. I already had some peanut butter

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, so I'm good to go. But this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like the Yawning episode where I kept yawning

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<v Speaker 2>doing research. This is I just wanted peanut butter the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, peanut butter for me that has now become my

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<v Speaker 1>in my since January. You know, I'm trying to lose

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<v Speaker 1>some weight, so that's become my sweet treat at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the night instead of going and getting ice cream.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like a spoonful of peanut butter and honey and

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<v Speaker 1>that'll satiate that desire.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen you in a while. How's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm down twenty since January? But what really

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<v Speaker 1>leveled off the past month?

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations, dude, that is really impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Just forty more to go, man, No, that's really great.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Just just yeah, yeah, it does plateau, but it

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<v Speaker 2>picks up again.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want plat plateaus because of quarantine alcoholism.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I was going to ask, because I'm finding

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<v Speaker 2>that that quarantining has made things like we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have food and everything, but we're we're eating it

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<v Speaker 2>less for some reason, rather than the opposite, which both you,

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<v Speaker 2>me and I were really concerned was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the way it went. Are you finding it easier to

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with food or harder?

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<v Speaker 1>Easier because I'm cooking a lot cheese and buzz marketing again.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm just having one of those MIC's

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<v Speaker 1>mighty goods for lunch, which is very low on calories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really good too.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm just tracking the calories, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's alcohol that's the problem right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotcha. Yeah, I've been doing one or two nights

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<v Speaker 2>a week tops, and then a couple of night. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty good now that I think about it. It's good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because this has been fairly stressful, but I haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>stressed eating too much. So okay, anyway, peanut butter here

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<v Speaker 2>to me chuck early on we happen upon the fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the podcast. If you ask me, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>boy very jarring, if you'll forgive the pun. That peanut

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<v Speaker 2>butter outside of the United States, in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different countries is looked upon as very weird and gross

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<v Speaker 2>in much the same way that we Americans tend to

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<v Speaker 2>think of like vegemite. People like the British, the Chinese,

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<v Speaker 2>other countries do not think peanut butter is particularly good.

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<v Speaker 2>They think it's a little nasty. And that just blew

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<v Speaker 2>me away to read that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd want to talk to some people before I'd

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<v Speaker 1>let some internet website tell me that people think peanut

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<v Speaker 1>butter is gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Some website push your brain around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd like to talk to some folks about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the very least, even if they don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's gross, it is an all American thing. Like even

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<v Speaker 2>countries that do enjoy it. I've read that Australia actually

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<v Speaker 2>likes it a lot. It's an American concoction so much

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<v Speaker 2>so that like it might be the most American concoction

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<v Speaker 2>there is, to tell you the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you make a good point here. You

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<v Speaker 1>put this stuff together that mac and cheese came from Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>hot dogs came from Europe. Yep, sort of Hamburgers, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I would argue that the hamburgers, we know it

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty American, sure, but peanut butter just us as

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<v Speaker 1>far as modern times go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that Inca in the fifteenth century

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<v Speaker 2>used to grind peanuts into a paste and then that

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<v Speaker 2>was it until the nineteenth century when one of our

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<v Speaker 2>buddies who's going to make a cameo later got his

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<v Speaker 2>hands on the idea. But yeah, it was an American invention,

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<v Speaker 2>except it was actually Canadian, as we'll see. But for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, people think of it as all American,

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<v Speaker 2>And to talk about peanut butter, Chuck. We kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have to talk about peanuts. There's really no way around it.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe me. I don't want to, but we have to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you mean Goober's.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard somebody outside of TV call them that?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really, but I knew it was a thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. It's not in the just daily nomenclature of

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<v Speaker 1>my crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is. It's supposedly like a Southern and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess an antiquated Southern word for peanut, a goober or

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<v Speaker 2>goober pe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard goober and that old song about the

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<v Speaker 1>raisinets guber. Well, Goober's is also a candy, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's smuckers goobers, which is peanut, butter and jelly

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<v Speaker 2>mixed together in a jar. It's actually good, is it. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Even as a kid, I was like, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be gross, and then I tried it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>not bad, not bad smuckers.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I'm pretty discerning with my gems and jellies. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's for another day. Though you would not like this,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably would.

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<v Speaker 2>You would not like smuckers, and if you're at all discerning,

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<v Speaker 2>you would not like it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So peanuts is a it's a lagome and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also called a ground nut or an earth nut,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like a lintel or a pee, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a little lagoome nut. No, I'm a big fan of peanuts, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to eat them pretty much anyway. You can

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<v Speaker 1>slice it from boiled to straight up raw out of

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<v Speaker 1>the shell, like them honey, roasted, salted, and roasted, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly in peanut butter.

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<v Speaker 2>So Momo and I go and visit squirrels whenever we

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<v Speaker 2>can when we go on walks, and we always take peanuts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I read you're supposed to take roasted unsalted peanuts,

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<v Speaker 2>so we get like big bags of those, and if

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<v Speaker 2>there's no squirrels out, I get to eat all peanuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, mo will give me a look like

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<v Speaker 2>those are not for you, but they usually end up

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<v Speaker 2>in my tummy. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever seen a squirrel stick one of those in

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth sideways?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep? I had darn cute. Yeah, we will like all

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<v Speaker 2>shell them and then throw like the actual peanut and

0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.679
<v Speaker 2>the squirrel. Somehow we'll know that there's supposed to be

0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.960
<v Speaker 2>another one coming, because they'll very frequently put one in

0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.320
<v Speaker 2>his cheek and then like be like, okay, toss me

0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the other one. Then I'll take that run off and

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<v Speaker 2>like eat it with his two little hands.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really adorable, right, or they might stick around to

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<v Speaker 1>see if it's one of the rare three bangers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which is just that's a good squirrel day right there.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So these things are lagomes, and we think

0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.760
<v Speaker 1>they originated in South America. You mentioned Peru, even though

0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.040
<v Speaker 1>we cannot prove that through the fossil record, but they

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<v Speaker 1>have found evidence in the archaeological culture from Peru from

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<v Speaker 1>about seventy six hundred years ago, and it was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of one of these things where they found the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they were farming this stuff, and then when you

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<v Speaker 1>see it in like artwork and pottery and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know it's sort of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, the peanut has arrived. When it shows up

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<v Speaker 2>on pottery, you know for real. They've also found them,

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<v Speaker 2>i guess, entombed with mummies from the Inca and the Aztecs,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes sense because when the conquistadors arrived the Spanish

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<v Speaker 2>and the Portuguese to South America and Central America, they

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<v Speaker 2>found peanuts being grown as far north as Mexico, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first place they encountered them was actually

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<v Speaker 2>in the Caribbean, and they took them back with them.

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<v Speaker 2>They took them to Spain, and Spain passed them along

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<v Speaker 2>to the rest of Europe and the Philippines and China.

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<v Speaker 2>The Portuguese took it back again to Europe, but also

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<v Speaker 2>to India and Africa, and peanuts started to be farmed

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<v Speaker 2>all over the world. Like the world loves peanuts, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not necessarily peanut butter that they're crazy about. And then,

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<v Speaker 2>in a really kind of weird, surprising twist, the peanuts

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<v Speaker 2>were re exported back to the Americas from Africa as

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<v Speaker 2>part of the West African slave trade. And actually that

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<v Speaker 2>word gouber, that Southern word gouber, they think comes from

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<v Speaker 2>a Conga Leese word or Congo with a K word

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<v Speaker 2>in gouba. Yeah, pretty surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, goober and gouba close enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But to think like the peanut, you think of

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<v Speaker 2>the peanut as just American as it comes, and then

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<v Speaker 2>even as Georgia as it comes. But the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have been here had it not been for

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<v Speaker 2>the importation of African slaves, that reintroduced the peanut to

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<v Speaker 2>the Americas. That's a pretty circuitous and weird route for

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<v Speaker 2>it to take.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Africa still grows about twenty five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the peanuts in the world. Weird just below that at

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty one percent here in the States. And it

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<v Speaker 1>took all the way to eighteen forty two that we

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<v Speaker 1>started growing them commercially in the US in Virginia's where

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<v Speaker 1>it first started for oil and food and to substitute

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<v Speaker 1>out for cocoa. And it wasn't it just wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a It was kind of like for people that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the means to buy something better or maybe feed

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<v Speaker 1>it to your animals or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was good for livestock and the poverty stricken

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<v Speaker 2>basically was who were expected to eat peanuts at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>It just like Lobster. Have you ever read Considered the Lobster? That? Wow, man,

0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I want to say David Lee Roth so bad, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's not his name at all. Who wrote

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<v Speaker 2>Consider the Lobster?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of that, But I who was the lobster?

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<v Speaker 2>Who was end of tour about that movie? Oh? David

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<v Speaker 2>Foster Wallace, Oh, sure, sure, yeah. He wrote this really

0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.280
<v Speaker 2>great magazine article once called Considered the Consider the lobster

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<v Speaker 2>it's good. But in it he explains that it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be considered a food fit only for the poor. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess peanuts were considered the same.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Uh you know there were.

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<v Speaker 2>Sea spiders, yeah, or the cockroaches of the sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>It is kind of gross when you think of it

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<v Speaker 2>like that. And apparently there was a law that said

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<v Speaker 2>that you could only feed so much lobster to patients

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<v Speaker 2>and mental asylums at the time, or else it became abusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yeah, they didn't know what did they try

0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.280
<v Speaker 1>him on a hot dog bun with mayonnaise.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the reasons why the peanut was viewed

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<v Speaker 2>as such a lowly crop was that it was again

0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.640
<v Speaker 2>it was used for oil, which I mean, this wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily just cooking oil. They would use it to lubricate machinery,

0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. So the idea of eating the

0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.600
<v Speaker 2>same thing that your machinery lube came from was probably

0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.080
<v Speaker 2>not super appetizing, but it was also like you would

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<v Speaker 2>get just basically trash when you got a bag of peanuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there was no easy way to harvest it, stem them,

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<v Speaker 2>clean them, and prepare them for basically general consumption. So again,

0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.480
<v Speaker 2>you could just dump it into a trough and feed

0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.240
<v Speaker 2>it to your livestock, where you could spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time trying to separate it, or you could just

0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.480
<v Speaker 2>be like, I'm not messing with this. And for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time they didn't mess with it. Actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when the Civil War happened, the Union soldiers got

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<v Speaker 1>their hands on some of our southern peanuts and they

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<v Speaker 1>said these are delicious, and both armies ate a lot

0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of peanuts. And then when the circus rolled around with P. T. Barnum,

0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Jackman, they started selling peanuts there, hot roasted peanuts,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially in the cheap seats, they become known as

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<v Speaker 1>the peanut gallery. And that's where that phrase came from,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because apparently if they didn't like what they saw,

0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.840
<v Speaker 2>they would toss their peanuts that they were eating at

0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the stage. So that's where peanut gallery came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you've got them on the street corners,

0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you've got them at baseball games. Peanuts are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get a little traction as a snack. But they were

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<v Speaker 1>still not It was still hard to get like really

0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.439
<v Speaker 1>good quality peanuts because, like you said, the way they

0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.320
<v Speaker 1>were being harvested at the time by hand, it was

0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:28.959
<v Speaker 1>just tough to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then so two African Americans around the turn of

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.959
<v Speaker 2>the last century stepped up and basically said, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to make the peanut what it is today. So one

0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.080
<v Speaker 2>obviously was George Washington Carver, who's known as basically the

0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.960
<v Speaker 2>father of the peanut, who actually, contrary to popular belief,

0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.560
<v Speaker 2>did not invent peanut butter, but he did come up

0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.600
<v Speaker 2>with more than three hundred different ways to use the peanut.

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<v Speaker 2>And I never realized like why he was so bonkers

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<v Speaker 2>for peanuts, But one of the reasons he was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make the peanut establish it as a prominent crop

0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.600
<v Speaker 2>was because the South had depleted its soil so badly

0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.640
<v Speaker 2>from growing cotton for so long, and then at the

0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.920
<v Speaker 2>worst of this there was a bull weavil outbreak that

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.560
<v Speaker 2>just ruined the rest of the cotton crop. So the

0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 2>South really needed something to replace cotton, and George Washington

0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Carver helped introduce and popularize peanuts and say, not only

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<v Speaker 2>can you eat these things, look at all this other

0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:30.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff you can make out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of them, that's right. And there was another guy around

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.240
<v Speaker 1>the same time named Ben Hicks, Mister Benjamin Hicks. He

0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.320
<v Speaker 1>was from Virginia and which we already talked about being

0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.639
<v Speaker 1>a big peanut state, and he invented a gas powered

0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.919
<v Speaker 1>machine for cleaning and stemming these things. He got it

0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.439
<v Speaker 1>patented like a lot of well it still goes on,

0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.879
<v Speaker 1>I guess, with the little guy and their patents. Big

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<v Speaker 1>farm came around and a farm equipment company challenged him.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually had to go to court, but won the

0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.960
<v Speaker 1>case in nineteen oh one. And this picker was a big,

0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.920
<v Speaker 1>big deal in modernizing peanut farming, and all of a sudden,

0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.399
<v Speaker 1>you could get really good peanuts a lot quicker doesn't

0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.120
<v Speaker 1>take as many hands or man hours or person hours,

0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and the demand for peanuts, for oil for eating them,

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and peanut butter and candy all just kind of went

0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.200
<v Speaker 1>through the roof at that point.

0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, because you could you could get your hands

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.880
<v Speaker 2>on good peanuts. They were widely available and they were

0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.760
<v Speaker 2>just delicious. Everyone saw finally how great peanuts are, but

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<v Speaker 2>not peanut butter yet. And I proposed, Charles that we

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.680
<v Speaker 2>take a break and then come back, really dig into

0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the peanut butter.

0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:45.919
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it, okay, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Ut Scott shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot Okay. So, like I said, the INCA probably had

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.360
<v Speaker 2>us beat as far as the invention of peanut butter went.

0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:24.719
<v Speaker 2>But it was actually a Canadian who they think was

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:29.200
<v Speaker 2>probably the actual inventor of modern peanut butter, a guy

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.560
<v Speaker 2>who I had never heard of before. His name was

0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Marcellus Gilmore Edson Wallace. I'm kidding by the last part.

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.560
<v Speaker 2>It was just that was going Marcellus Gilmour Edson. You

0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.919
<v Speaker 2>just can't say the name Marcellus and not followed up

0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:43.920
<v Speaker 2>with Wallace somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it really has become like peanut butter and

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 1>jelly very n So. He patented a paste made of

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 1>peanuts in eighteen eighty four, which was described by him

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and his patent as at room temperature, having a consistency

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.520
<v Speaker 1>like that of butter, lard or ointment.

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Which tried this.

0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 1>It sounds gross, but when you think about peanut butter,

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of about right.

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.440
<v Speaker 1>He added sugar to stabilize it a little bit, and

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.200
<v Speaker 1>this was kind of like the first modern peanut butter

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<v Speaker 1>that we think of as peanut butter. It sold for

0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.720
<v Speaker 1>about six cents a pound, which is a pretty good price.

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and from what I can tell just reading about it,

0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.200
<v Speaker 2>if you tried it today, you'd be like, yeah, it's

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.080
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter, whereas if you tried some of the other stuff,

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.880
<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's the artisan peanut butter.

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.640
<v Speaker 2>It's punished. Yeah, and the other stuff was first developed.

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:39.119
<v Speaker 2>So it's interesting to me that there's in the first

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 2>try right out of the gate, the guy who invents

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter basically invents the modern version of it, and

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.159
<v Speaker 2>then it takes a big step backwards or sideways, I

0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 2>guess you can say, depending on your viewpoint. When our

0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.960
<v Speaker 2>buddy doctor John Harvey Kellogg comes along, and if you'll

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.920
<v Speaker 2>remember from the live show we did on the Kellogg Brothers,

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 2>he invented nut butters, and in particular of peanut butter.

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 2>He's considered one of the main inventors of peanut butter.

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it was right up his alley. Because I

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.280
<v Speaker 1>think that might be my favorite live show we've done. Actually,

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.240
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I think so PR was my favorite PR.

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I knew you were going to say that you did. Yeah,

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.720
<v Speaker 1>that was a good one you did. I think those

0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:21.440
<v Speaker 1>are my top two.

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:25.439
<v Speaker 2>What about pentos Man, what about Nybe Cooper?

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Those might be the first four that I would name.

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:30.200
<v Speaker 1>What else have we done?

0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Mals Bars, We did the secret one that is still

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 2>supposedly on tour but on hiatus right now. So I

0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 2>think that's it. I think that's all. Well, I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go with John Harvey Kellogg because he as if you

0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.159
<v Speaker 1>listen to that one, he was very big on chewing

0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 1>food until it was the consistency of peanut butter basically,

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and so peanut butter comes along and he's like, well,

0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 1>this is perfect because you don't have to chew it

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like that, it's already like that'll just glide right through

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>your system and come out as delicious peanut butter poop.

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it won't poison your entire body and you

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>want have to spend any time in the electric light bath,

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 2>right or the kneading machine. So doctor Kellogg creates basically

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 2>what we would recognize today as the the artisan version

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 2>of peanut butter. It's just ground up peanuts that form

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 2>a paste and apparently that's just a natural thing that happens,

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 2>like if you put roasted peanuts in a food processor

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it's going to turn like gritty in everything, but if

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 2>you just keep going, it eventually reaches this point, this

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:42.560
<v Speaker 2>threshold where that grit turns into this oily paste like

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter, like an ointment, like Marcellus Wallace would call it.

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>And that's basically what John Harvey Kellogg did and served

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>at Battle Creek. But most of the people who would

0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.439
<v Speaker 2>have been exposed to peanut butter would not have tried

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:04.399
<v Speaker 2>John Kelly because you know that sanitarium was really expensive,

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was for the wealthy, it was for celebrities.

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 2>So most people experience peanut butter at one of two places.

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And Chuck, I really found out in researching this that

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 2>the history of peanut butter is super murky. It's like

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 2>a spoonful of peanut butter stood up in a glass

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 2>of water, kind of murky, right where it is kind

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 2>of cross where it's just not entirely clear who did

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>what when, whose contribution has been disproportionately mythologized. But from

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.479
<v Speaker 2>what I can tell, John Harvey Kellogg is definitely one

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 2>of the fathers of peanut butter. Mister Marcellis was one

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>as well. And then it gets a little murkier after that,

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 2>so much so that people say, well, peanut butter made

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 2>his debut at the nineteen oh four Saint Louis World's Fair,

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and then other people are like, no, no, that's why wrong.

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 2>It made its debut at the eighteen ninety three Chicago

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:08.360
<v Speaker 2>World's Fair, and I can find good credible sources that

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.679
<v Speaker 2>say either one. So I have no idea where it

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.919
<v Speaker 2>made its debut. I believe it was sold for sure

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 2>at the Saint Louis Worldfair in nineteen oh four, and

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 2>that a guy named h Summers sold like twenty thousand

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of peanut butter as snack items there, but

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 2>that the people who ate it there had probably already

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 2>been exposed to peanut butter and liked it. It might

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>not have been something that was part of like their

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 2>everyday thing. They weren't standing in their pantry eating it

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.439
<v Speaker 2>off of a spoon, but they had probably had it before,

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 2>and this was like a real treat for them to

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>experience it. It wasn't like debuted in nineteen oh four, from

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>what I can.

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Tell right well, regardless of who introduced it initially, By

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh seven, thanks to companies like Hines and beechnut.

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>They were selling thirty four million pounds of peanut butter

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>up for just two million in eighteen ninety nine, So

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>over an eight year period, that's a pretty big increase.

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 1>And the soldiers come into play again. It wasn't just

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the Civil War and World Wars one and two. And

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>I've had peanut butter k rations before really, uh huh.

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>My dad used to get that stuff a lot when

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid for camping and stuff at the

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Army Navy store. So it became a big part of

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 1>your army rations and the armed forces because I had

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 1>a lot of protein. It was a good sustenance. You

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>could make a PB and J and that was pretty

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>comforting if you were on the front lines or in

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a trench in World War One.

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, supposedly they popularized the PB and J. The troops did.

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>That's right, and thank them for that.

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh I will, I'll salute the troops for that one.

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 1>But it was pretty regional at the time in the

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>early twentieth century. It didn't travel that great. They finally,

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 1>let you know, I mentioned hydrogenized earlier. It was this hydrogenation,

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>is that right? That really led to the Big Three

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>coming about with the industrialization of peanut butter production, and

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>three gentlemen named Peter, Pan, Skippy and Jeff, which I

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>was curious about Jeff where that came from? And all

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I found was they said, it's easy to spell, easy

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to say, and easy to remember.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>It's true all three of those checks.

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And had no meaning beyond that. Basically.

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Really, I would have guessed I had something to do with,

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, like doing it in a jiff or jiffy

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 2>or something. Huh.

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I mean you got to be

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>in the room, I guess to know where the seed

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 1>came from. But they just said it was simple and

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>super easy, and that was kind of the end of

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that story.

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 2>So good night. So whatt it more? No, I'm with you.

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I do too. I'm kind of mad right now. But

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>we gotta press on with hydrogenation, right because there's this

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>guy named John Krampner, and he wrote a book called

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>The Creamy and Crunchy all about peanut butter, and he

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>basically points to that as saying, like that, that's that

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>was the turning point for peanut butter, maybe even tied

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 2>for first with its invention, was the introduction of hydrogenation,

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>which takes oils that are liquid at room temperature and

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>as hydrogen and a catalyst usually like powdered nickel, and

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>those bonds become infused or saturated with hydrogen and so

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.360
<v Speaker 2>they stick together a lot more easily. So those liquid

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>oils have a more stable solid state at room temperature.

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>So you go from like peanut butter with oil on top,

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>to peanut butter that doesn't have oil on top, but

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.479
<v Speaker 2>the oils mixed into the mixture and it stays that

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 2>way even on the store shelf, which people love because

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know from eating artis in peanut butter.

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a pain to stir it up.

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean in little stir is a little dodgy because

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so close to the lid. Yeah, but you just

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>have to have the right spoon, take your time and

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>don't be in a rush. And you know, shelf life

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>stability is super important with peanut butter because only monsters

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>put their peanut butter in the refrigerator?

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Who does that? Who point them out to me? Monsters?

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you've met somebody who's done that before?

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>No? I think that was in a Judge John Hodgmen

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>listener mail. At one point, Oh, man, I don't think

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>it was a major case, but I think it was

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the one of their listener mail ones. Okay,

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>but totally totally think it should be on the shelf.

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>That's where it belongs. Although I will say if you

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>mix a little peeb and J with a natural kind

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>and you put it in the fridge because you've had

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>your two bites and you made too much the next day,

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>it is interesting. It's more like a Reese's cup consistency.

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of hard. It makes for a nice little snack,

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's certainly not anything that you can spread on bread.

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Right right, Well, that's the other thing too, is if

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the oils are mixed into the solids, that forms this

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 2>creamier substance that makes it way easier to spread, which

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>moms love. Right. And then the other thing it does

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>too is with all of those hydrogen atoms linked on

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>to the fat chains the lipids, there's not all these

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>unused or open bonds that an oxygen atom can come

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>along and bond to and oxidize the peanut butter, which

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>creates peroxide, which gives it a rancid taste. So hydrogenation

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 2>not only made peanut butter less liquidy, more creamy. It

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>also made it last longer, like is sitting on the

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>shelf before it was sold and used. It wouldn't turn

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>rancid nearly as fast, so it was a big deal.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>The problem is is that took peanut butter, which is

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>actually kind of healthy with a mono unsaturated fat that

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>liquid oil and turned it into saturated or partially saturated fat,

0:30:58.200 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>which is really tough on the old.

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why I stay away from that stuff. I mean,

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it's so good, but yeah, I just I made the

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>switch many years ago.

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Good for you, Jack.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The hydrogenated outsold natural for the first time in

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>forty two and accounts for about eighty percent of the

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 1>current market. Peter Pan, believe it or not, I don't

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>think I've ever had Peter Pan. It's not bad unless

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it was just at a friend's house or something. I

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>don't think we ever had it in our house.

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Peter Pan makes a natural one too, and I mean

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm making air quotes like Jeff does, and it's.

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I think they all do know.

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 2>It might even be.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Better than Jeff's natural version. I think Emily likes the

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Smucker's natural huh. But I also got some I can't

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>remember the brand. It's one of the one of the

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>other natural brands. They're all pretty good, I think. Okay,

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>So nineteen twenty eight was when peter Pan rolled out

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and was the first which I didn't know was the

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 1>first major brand. It was the biggest seller at the time.

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:04.479
<v Speaker 1>It used that partial hydrogenation process that was patented by

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Joseph Rosefield from Kentucky. And then that's

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>where Jeff Skippy came from. Peter Pan's parent company said

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to cut your licensing fee. He said, I'm

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>done with you, and I'm going to go out and

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make Skippy on my own. And by

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the end of his career he had ten patents, not

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>just for peanut butter but relating to food. And he

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>was just kind of like Chevy Chase and Vacation movies.

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>He was a food scientist.

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was it the thing that he learned to

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>code a flake with that he used on the sled.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know, some sort of a non nutritional

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember.

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll figure it out. No need to email everyone, No

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>need to.

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Email, No, I want to hear. I want every email

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>about this.

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it was called a non nutritional coding is

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>what he called it. But yes, he was very much

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>like that. But he was also way, way, way better

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>than anything the Chase could ever be because he was

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>a really great boss. He paid his workers really well,

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and in creating the Skippy brand, he broke off from

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 2>this kind of this corporate overlord that he worked for

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>was keeping him under his thumb and then trying to

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 2>short change him. And said, you know what, by creating Skippy,

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to not only challenge you, Peter Pan, I'm

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>going to become the best selling peanut butter there is

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 2>from like nineteen fifty to nineteen eighty, like Skippy was it.

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>And I just missed the Skippy train. So I'm wondering,

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>like if I had been born in nineteen seventy, if

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I would have been raised on Skippy. But I came

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>along at the jiff Era really.

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said, in your face, and they said, I

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>love peanut butter in my face, and he went, oh,

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I got to think of a new comeback.

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, Chuck. One thing that's always bothered me about

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Peter Pan is do you remember that jingle where it's

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>like eat some peanut butter anytime you can. It's like, oh,

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>that's nice, and then they follow it up with but

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>only if it's Peter Pan, Like it's got kind of

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>this like if I can't have you, no one can

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:11.479
<v Speaker 2>psychotic mentality to it. Yeah.

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I never heard that song, so I never really thought

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>about that.

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>You didn't watch the television in the nineteen nineties, I did.

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that one though, But I mean I

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>was in the nineties. I was in college, so I

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>probably wasn't. I don't even think we had cable. I

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't watch much TV in college, gotcha. So Skippy is

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>doing great. Peter Pan is just like, well, I guess

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll just have to be second banana and Skippy and

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Jeff said, how do you like being third banana?

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Because that's where you're headed.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.919
<v Speaker 1>That same year, in nineteen fifty five, this is when

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Rosefield sold Skippy to Best Foods. Procter and Gamble bought

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Big Top Peanut from William T. Young, also of Kentucky,

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and then they became JIFF and they held that brand

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>until two thou one, two thousand and two.

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did not know that, that's right, But wait,

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one, two thousand and two.

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It's when they sold the Smuckers.

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, but Jeff is still the number one brand.

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Today, right as far as I know.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that's that's my understanding too. I thought you

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>were saying like it was the number one brand until then.

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, from from I think nineteen eighty to today,

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>it's it's number one.

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they got a lot of I think they

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>all do. But Jeff alone has fifteen different kinds of

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>peanut butter, which is kind of nuts. If you look

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>at their lists, They've got all kinds of different crazy

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>peanut butters out there.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Now, well, nuts is just one variety. Well, they all

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>have peanuts in them. Yeah, well they have. They have

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.959
<v Speaker 2>a good almond butter too. Yeah, I can.

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I can get down with some almond butter.

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You know what, buddy, I'm going to buy you some.

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>When we see each other again, I'm going to be

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>brandishing a jar of Jeff almond butter for you.

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not good.

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 2>What is uh?

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>You know you can't take peanut butter sandwiches into classrooms

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>anymore mm hmm, or at least at you know, at

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>my kids preschool. And of course you can't take anything

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>in there anymore because it's closed. But you have to

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 1>make you have to make it with what a cheese

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I used to chew these things all the time. What

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>a baseball players chew? Sunflower seeds, chickpeas, sunflower butter.

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 2>That's good too. I've had that. It's not bad.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I do not care for it, So.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>You don't like it? Huh? I think it's all right,

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess wow. I really like basically any kind of butters,

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>including just butter. Butter.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, butter's great. But I just cannot get down

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>with the sunflower flower.

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some flower, No, it totally, and it's definitely there's

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>a taste of sunflower to it. Like you could have

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 2>no idea what you were eating and somebody gives it

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 2>to you and you would be like, that's sunflower butter,

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I love sunflower seeds though. That was a big thing

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>in college for a little while. We would sit around

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, just put a mouthful of flower seeds

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>on our mouth. O.

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember the sunflower trend quite well.

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Remember that. And you would crack, Yeah, you would crack

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>them open with your teeth and you would spit out

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the shell and then swallow the seed that you on

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the seed and swallow it.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.399
<v Speaker 2>So I would eat the whole thing.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, you didn't eat the shell.

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is I would eat the whole thing. And

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 2>that I would smoke a whole cigar and in hal it.

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>You're a very bad squirrel. And then you would drown,

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>drown your lawn and water. Yeah, and you would sit

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>back and say, I'm doing life just right.

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got it all figured out. Would you really

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>eat the shells? Huh? I still do to this day, really, yeah.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of dangerous because every once in a

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>while there's like one one part to it that's just

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 2>a spear and you can go right into your gums

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're not careful. So I'm pretty good at it,

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 2>but every once in a while and be like I

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>think I'm bleeding.

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's how I eat peanuts when I go to

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the ball game. I stick the whole peanut in my

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>mouth really uh huh, like a squirrel, and I kind

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 1>of suck on it for a second and get that

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>salty goodness and then I crack it open with my

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>teeth and I pull it out of my mouth and

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 1>then dump the peanuts in and throw away the shells.

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>And then between every bite you have to coat your

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>lips with lipbalm because it's so dried and cracked.

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>By saltby it is pretty salty. But the only time

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I eat peanuts in the shell like that is at

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 1>a baseball game.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.760
<v Speaker 2>So now I do something similar, but it's with peanut

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 2>M and MS. I will crack the peanut M and

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 2>M in half and expose the peanut in your teeth, yes,

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and then eat that the the freed chocolate shell side,

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and then eat the other chocolate shelled side from around

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the peanut, and then I eat the peanut by itself.

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding?

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>You?

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm dead serious. I can't remember the last time I

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 2>ate a peanut minem without doing that with every single one.

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, here's what I'll do sometimes with peanut M

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and MS. Okay, we should just have a side gig

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 1>where we just talk about our stupid quirks. We do.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>It's part of the podcast I put.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes I'll just mow on them like there's no tomorrow.

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes I will, and this helps me eat fewer

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>of them, because I will pop one or two in

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 1>my mouth, and I'll just let them sit there and

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 1>marinate in my saliva. Oh yeah, yeah, and swirl them

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 1>around and then that candy coating kind of melts away

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit and makes it like a really soft

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>little crunch.

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Yep. I know, I know what you mean.

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.479
<v Speaker 1>You know that move Yep, it's really good.

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I do that too, But usually I'm a little less

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 2>patient than that. It's every once in a while, maybe

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>when I'm like, you know, I have a whole tupperware

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 2>bowl full of peanut M and ms, I might go

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 2>crazy like that.

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's should we take a break or

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>should we wait a second?

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do that. Let's take a break.

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>And jog jo.

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Shot shot.

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>All right. So where we left off was Jeff was

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>killing it. You and I have very weird eating habits. Yeah,

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and Jeff starts killing it. They start putting sugar and

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 1>molasses in there. Everyone else followed suit, and finally, in

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties, the FDA stood up and said, hold

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>on a minute, guys, this stuff you're calling peanut butter

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>is junk food. Now there's one leading brand. I'm not

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 1>going to name names. I think it was Jeff that

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>was only seventy five percent actual peanuts. He's like, so

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>you got to start putting ninety five percent peanuts in

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. The peanut butter lobby said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:51.280
<v Speaker 1>How about eighty seven percent? And they said, we're the FDA,

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.720
<v Speaker 1>we meet people in the middle. Let's settle on ninety

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.399
<v Speaker 1>percent peanuts and peanut butter. And since nineteen seventy one

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that's been the standard.

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think like this went on for a dozen years.

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 2>There's a really interesting article on today I found out

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>called the Momentous Peanut Butter Hearings. It's definitely worth reading.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 2>But it just was nuts, how literally nuts how long

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 2>this went on for. And then finally it's just kind

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 2>of heartening that the FDA was like, no, ninety percent,

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that's as low as we're going. Make sure that your

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter has ninety percent peanuts. Good day to you, sir.

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 2>And that was that finally, and it became enforced in

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy two, and still today there is a federal

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 2>legal definition for what constitutes peanut butter, and one of

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>the first things is it has to have ninety percent

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>peanuts in it.

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right, because that is still the standard. If it

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is smooth, it has to be very fine with an

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>even texture and no hint of grainy peanuts at all.

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>If it's a medium, you can have a little grain

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.839
<v Speaker 1>to it, but nothing larger than one sixteenth of an

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>inch in dimension, and then all bets are off. If

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you're crunchy. I don't know who says chunky, but it's

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely crunchy.

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Chunky. Yeah, that's like a type of Campbell soup.

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>So crunchy can be larger than one sixteenth and I

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 1>guess I mean they're all about the same size. I'd

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>be curious to see if there are any kind of

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 1>half sized peanuts if it gets that chunky.

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like larger than a sixteenth of an inch, Yeah,

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>like a half of a peanut, people would be like,

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 2>it's too chunky. I can't take it.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, I mean that's like candy bar level.

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>It is. It is so chuck. What you've just said

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 2>is the federal government's definition of the different varieties of

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter as far as they're concerned. And I don't

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 2>know if you said it or not, but that guy

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Rosefield, who was the founder of Skippy. He actually

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 2>created chunky sorry, crunchy peanut butter.

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>We both said crunchy, and now we're both saying chunky.

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I know it's kind of stuck in my head, but

0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 2>he's the guy who if you like chunky peanut butter,

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 2>first of all, shame on you. But secondly, thank Joseph

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Rosefield for that, because he came up with it, I

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>think in the fifties.

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I said, I like it all. There is

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 1>not a kind of peanut butter that I won't eat.

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's all really good.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 2>So then I think also this kind of demonstrates just

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 2>how seriously Americans take peanut butter. The USDA goes on

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>to say, there are other qualities that make a peanut

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>butter either Grade A, Grade B or substandard peanut butter, and.

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite.

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>It's things like color. The color has to match certain

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:42.720
<v Speaker 2>color samples that you can only obtain from a company

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 2>called Agtron Ink of Sparks, Nevada. This is in the

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy two law that you have to write to

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Agtron and say, can you please send me the peanut

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>butter colored standards because I need to make sure that

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 2>my peanut butter matches the USDA's standards for color of

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter online.

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Get with it while you're writing me a letter.

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's that's a really good point. You email, or

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.959
<v Speaker 2>you'd write back like, I don't know, can you please

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>send me the website URL? And then they would. But

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>when you get this color standard, you can't just look

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 2>at it wherever you have to. You have to look

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 2>at it with a at a light with a color

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 2>temperature of about seventy five hundred calvin plus or minus

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty calvin or something equal to a

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>moderately partly cloudy day. That's that's the government's standard for

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 2>judging the color of peanut butter.

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>All I can think of now is somebody writing a

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>handwritten letter to someone asking for a URL, someone with

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a ballpoint pin spelling out https colon slash slash.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I looked up agtron ink. They're still around and they

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>are on point man. They've been in business for I

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 2>think about a century. But they are all about like

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>food analysis. If you're a coffee roast or a barista

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 2>or something, you can take their online class. I think

0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 2>it's online. It's like a day long class that like

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>really teaches you all, like the science behind the coffee

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>you're selling and roasting and grinding. It's a really interesting company,

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.439
<v Speaker 2>it looks like. But that's if you start making peanut butter,

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 2>you need to you need to write a letter to

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>agtron Nink asking for their UURL and.

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>They will send you a laminated sheet and a Manila envelope. Yeah, so,

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're talking peanut butter. In the United States, the

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 1>about half of the edible use of peanuts is from

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 1>peanut butter. Obviously, peanut butter is and a ton of

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite parts of candy bars and

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Totally, I'm a sucker for any peanut

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 1>butter ice creams, peanut butter candy bars. It's just I

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 1>can't get enough of that combination.

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm totally with you, buddy.

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Which, by the way, Joseph Rosefield was the skippy guy,

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>was the guy who came up with that peanut butter

0:45:56.280 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and chocolate combo before Reesus did. But the National Peanut

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Board estimates that it takes about five hundred and forty

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>peanuts to make up one of those twelve ounce jars,

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 1>which is a lot of peanuts. That kind of surprised me.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:10.479
<v Speaker 1>It was more than I thought.

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sit there and shell peanuts until you reach five

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty individual peanuts, and you will have a

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 2>sudden appreciation for your panut butter.

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean for sure. But of course

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 1>machines do that.

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well, if it's artisan, no, somebody wearing like

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:33.480
<v Speaker 2>a calico srong is doing it with by hand. In Vermont,

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I do think Vermont people are like, yeah, I think

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that's my conception. Prove me wrong, Vermont.

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and nine, we're talking about health aspects.

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of parts to the health of it,

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 1>of whether or not it's just good for you, which

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to. But also there have been a couple

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of peanut butter incidents throughout the years in recent years

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that have scared people off peanut butter a little bit.

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and nine was the second one. There

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>were five hundred people who got sick and eight people

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>died from eating peanut butter from a plant in Blakely, Georgia.

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>That was pretty gross and not maintained.

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Well. I remember that, don't you. I remember both of them.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.879
<v Speaker 1>The other one was in two thousand and seven, and

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that was Salmonella and peter Pan and Great Value, both

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 1>owned by con Agra, and that got about six hundred

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and change sick, but nobody died, luckily, but I remember

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:35.760
<v Speaker 1>both of those. It was a big deal because peanut

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>butter is so ubiquitous.

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>So there's also I didn't realize this until I started

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 2>researching it. There's something called affle detoxins. Have you heard

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>of them?

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I think I did back when all the stuff happened,

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>or maybe not, I have heard of it.

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>So there's there's a mold called Aspergillis that grows on

0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:03.240
<v Speaker 2>peanuts because peanuts are grown underground, right, and the Aspergillis

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 2>can produce a toxin called afflotoxins. And apparently humans are

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 2>pretty much immune to its initial effects or its short

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>term effects, but we have no idea what happens if

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:18.359
<v Speaker 2>you eat aflotoxins. You know, over the course of a lifetime,

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>you know what happens. And apparently there's studies of humans

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.760
<v Speaker 2>that found that it's been linked to certain types of cancer,

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>potentially birth effects, cognitive disabilities, all sorts of horrible stuff.

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>And peanut butter producers say, well, we get at least

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine percent of the aflatoxins out just by processing peanuts,

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 2>And you say, well, what about the other eleven percent,

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, have some beetter pan and forget your troubles.

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right. So there is like a real risk of

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 2>something bad happening to you, whether it's a poisoning or not.

0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people are like, even if it's

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 2>pure peanut butter, it's still it's still not healthy for you.

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, the major brands that are sugary and

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>hydrogenated certainly aren't good for you. If you're going to

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the farmer's market and getting those peanuts a ground right

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in front of your face.

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not terrible.

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's got a lot of nutrition. It's got

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of antioxidants. It's got we're talking, this is

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:26.839
<v Speaker 1>one hundred grams of this stuff. You've got forty five

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 1>percent RDA of vitamin E, sixty seven percent of vitamin

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 1>B three, sixteen seven percent I'm sorry, seventy three percent

0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.279
<v Speaker 1>of manganese, and thirty nine percent of magnesium. So it's

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of good stuff in there. It's got

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of calories too, that's about six hundred calories

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 1>eating one hundred grams worth. But if it's you know,

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's one hundred grams is a lot.

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 2>No, it is a tremendous amount. The other thing is too,

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 2>is if you're eating that artisan peanut butter, that craft

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.799
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter, the non hydrogenated I guess I should say

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter, the oils and the fats in it are

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 2>actually good for you. The monounsaturated fat is the kind

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that's good for your heart. It's that saturated stuff that

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 2>becomes shelf stable. That's the stuff that can build up

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:21.720
<v Speaker 2>as plaque in your arterial walls and cause heart attacks

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and strokes and that kind of thing. But the natural

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter actually does the opposite. It helps your cholesterol levels.

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>That's right, It's just great.

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 2>It's basically just really calorie dents. Like if you're trying

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 2>to lose weight, it's a good idea to shy away

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.479
<v Speaker 2>from peanut butter. But if you're eating natural peanut butter,

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 2>it's not like a non nutritious food. It's actually pretty nutritious.

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just calorie dents.

0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, And if you're trying to lose weight, and you

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 1>opt for a spoonful of peanut butter and honey rather

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>than a pint of bin and Jerri's, then you're definitely

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:54.800
<v Speaker 1>doing the right thing.

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 2>For sure, man, for sure. One thing though, that has,

0:50:58.440 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, strikes fear in a lot of people, Like

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you were saying in your daughter's preschool, you can't even

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 2>bring a peanut butter sandwich in there anymore. Is this

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the rise of the peanut allergy? Like, there's a survey

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 2>that was conducted in the eighties, the nineties, and the

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 2>two thousands, and I think the most recent one was

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eight, and they found that between

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven and two thousand and eight, in this

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:26.879
<v Speaker 2>national survey of fifty three hundred homes, that the self

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>reported peanut allergies went from zero point four percent of

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 2>respondents to one point four percent of respondents, which is

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:38.480
<v Speaker 2>one point four percent. Doesn't sound like a lot, but

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that's a huge increase between like eleven years, I guess.

0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.760
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is, if you look at other studies,

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 2>they found that yes, self reported rates are on the rise,

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 2>but doctor diagnosed rates have held steady. So there seems

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to be an increase in perception that people have peanut allergies.

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>That's not necessary an increase in actual peanut allergies, which

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:07.280
<v Speaker 2>is really strange and bizarre to think of, if that's correct.

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I have seen the trend of oral immunotherapy

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 1>like feeding your very small child and your baby peanuts

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to a little bit at a time to ensure or

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.879
<v Speaker 1>hopefully ensure that they won't be stricken with the worst

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>food allergy of all. It's true, the peanut allergy. And

0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.239
<v Speaker 1>there was a study in Israel that had guidelines for

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:33.399
<v Speaker 1>early infant feeding and they said, around four to six

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>months of age, just shove a bunch of peanuts in

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>their mouth and see what happened, and.

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Make them chew, and then hit them with the lipball.

0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hit them with that. Hit them with the lipball.

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 2>So one last thing, chuck and I couldn't find a

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>place to put it, but it has to be said.

0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:56.720
<v Speaker 2>There is a phobia called arak aboot to aphobia iraka

0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 2>bo aphobia. Yeah, I think I nailed it that last time, okay,

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:05.760
<v Speaker 2>And it is.

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Is that for me? Is that my cue? Yes, it's

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.640
<v Speaker 1>hard to tell because you're not kicking me under the table.

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not like doing that series of blinks.

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>That is the fear peanut butter are getting stuck on

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the roof of your mouth. That is a true thing,

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 1>which is shouldn't be a fear, because all you gotta

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.800
<v Speaker 1>do is just keep working the tongue and that peanut

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>butter is going to dislodge and go right down your throat.

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 2>That's right, just like John Harvey Kellogg.

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Foresaw your little whole milk and you're all set.

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Nice man, or some cool whip. Don't forget the cool whip.

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I gotta try that.

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.799
<v Speaker 2>That's I don't know if you should try that. Like,

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:39.359
<v Speaker 2>I think I gained ten pounds in a month just

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.279
<v Speaker 2>after I discovered that it's it's not good for you, man.

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't wait. Cool whip doesn't last long on

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 1>our house. We can't keep it here. It's just like

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard not to just sort of, oh, I'll

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:51.279
<v Speaker 1>just have a little spoonful every now and.

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Then, right and then where did it go? Yeah, it's

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 2>like your hair is stuck to your forehead because you've

0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:57.680
<v Speaker 2>put your whole face in the tub.

0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>So good, and it's good frozen too. I don't know

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 1>if you ever tried that.

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've tried it both ways, but if you do

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 2>want to try, it's about it's about half and half

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter. Cool person, grainful.

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll give it a shot if I'm ever allowed to

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 1>go to the grocery store again.

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, Okay, Well I think that's it then for

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 2>peanut butter unless you have anything else.

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Got nothing else?

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well since we said we have nothing else, that

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 2>means it's time for those who are male.

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call this early listener that came back

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>as an adult love these hey guys last year? Well,

0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.319
<v Speaker 1>what I really love is people that never stopped listening. Right,

0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 1>But we'll take this, hey guys. Last year I started

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:40.839
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0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>break from the nine to ten days? What does that mean?

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.960
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0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:52.760
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0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I think they got hit by the affle a toxin.

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I think he maybe I don't know what he. When

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.319
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0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:06.680
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0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.080
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0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:12.880
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0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:16.920
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0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.279
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0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.800
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0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:32.399
<v Speaker 1>I even made a friend through the podcast listener Lucas.

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<v Speaker 1>I take it that's just Lucas.

0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Listener is not his first name, I hope.

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.400
<v Speaker 1>So he was listening to your podcast while driving his

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.880
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0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:47.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say thanks, guys, and that is from listener Daniel,

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 1>So maybe that's how they met. They had the same

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:50.960
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0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, I never thought I would have a brother, but

0:55:55.200 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 2>now I do. Daniel and Lucas together. Listener, you got anything.

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.680
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0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:04.840
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