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Speaker 1: Great move to the right at the fifty, comes back

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Speaker 1: to the left at the party. He's lost at the thirty.

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Speaker 1: He's at the twenty ten touchdown. Cardinals rise up and

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Speaker 1: make up play hit one hit. Oh my goodness, he

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Speaker 1: got crushed. You've gotta be Kidney. Come off the ball

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Speaker 1: with malice. Here's Paul calvc well in an atmosphere of

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Speaker 1: everyone holding themselves accountable. Maybe I should go ahead and

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Speaker 1: just go Paully profess right here off the top and

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Speaker 1: let you guys know that I did call for a

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Speaker 1: forty burger last week. That was before the game. After

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Speaker 1: the game. Unfortunately for the Cardinals, it was Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: should do with them as an offense as yes years true,

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Speaker 1: he might have looked at the matchup and the losing

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Speaker 1: This is exactly why Darren Herman klod to guard that.

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Speaker 1: At least to me, you can never account or what

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Speaker 1: the desperation. That's always the unknown factor, the factor that

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Speaker 1: doesn't show up, Kyle in the numbers and the analytics,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that was a factor in that game,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know if the Cardinals thought that all

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Speaker 1: the end of the game, but it obviously didn't happen. Well,

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Speaker 1: the numbers that showed up were the three interceptions, and

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Speaker 1: think that was the big deal. To me, is Kyler

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what really bit them. What else, Darren,

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Speaker 1: what else sticks with you in that game that perhaps

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about something that they're going

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Speaker 1: realization that you know, these are games, given the opponents

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Speaker 1: which is if he doesn't throw those interceptions. I think

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Speaker 1: winning some of these close games can be a band

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Speaker 1: aid over issues that still need to be remedied and rectified.

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Speaker 1: He's sort of what a great quarterback is doing offense,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking Isaiah Simmons Kyle in that secondary.

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Speaker 1: even with the way he passes. So you know, again,

429
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: I want to see it be a pattern, and I

430
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: don't see it being a pattern. Yet, it was not

431
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,239
Speaker 1: a good game. I thought he forced some things and

432
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: he Azabella was open on that last play. He did

433
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: stare down fits. There were just some It just it

434
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: just fell off from jump. And so I'm not gonna

435
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 1: say concerned. I'm gonna right now say it's one bad

436
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: game and we'll see what happens. You know, I like

437
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 1: the Kurt Warner because remember what those Niner defenses used

438
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: to try and do against Kurt Warner back in the day.

439
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: They would always rush three drop eight because Kurt was

440
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: begging defenses to blitz h Yeah, because he loved to

441
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: read and react and make the quick decision, and he

442
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: no pre snap, who's gonna be open if you're bringing numbers,

443
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: And it was when you dropped eight that all of

444
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: a sudden it became that much more difficult. So it's

445
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, you know, I can only imagine how

446
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: difficult that can be for Kyler and what And that's

447
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: just going to be part of the process that we're

448
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: going to see Kyle. The difference for me is that

449
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: I feel like this offense is a lot of quick

450
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: hitting passes where it's wide receiver screen where there's only

451
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: one read or a certain thing where you're getting it

452
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: to your primary receiver and without much scanning of the field.

453
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: And when he does have to drop back, I think

454
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: that is something that has to be fine tuned a

455
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit where Kyler Murray reads the field and sees

456
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: where players are going before and after the snap, because

457
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: I think once he gets that, he's going to be

458
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: very dynamic and hard to stop. But against the Lions,

459
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: I think he didn't see it quite right on a

460
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: few of those throws, and one was an interception. The

461
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: other luckily for Kyler, the safety didn't come up with

462
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: that ball right in the middle of the field. They're

463
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: trying to get to Fitzgerald. I think they're not going

464
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: to turn the ball over a lot, because that's the

465
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: way Cliff Kingsbury has designed this offense. But on these plays,

466
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: even if it's only twenty five percent of the passes

467
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: where Kyler Murray's putting the ball in danger because of

468
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: the longer drop and more having to scan the field,

469
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: that's going to keep the offense from reaching its full

470
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: potential if it continues to happen. It was the Okuda interception.

471
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: He called it user error right through the ball right.

472
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: That one was fine. He just Hopkins was open and

473
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: he didn't throw it. He threw it behind him. And

474
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: that was the pick, the one where the safety almost

475
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: got it, and then obviously the one that fits. Those

476
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: to me were two pretty big errors when it comes

477
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: to field vision because in that final drive and by

478
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: the way, the user errors sort of reminded me of

479
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen once behind the time using the term buffering

480
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: terms only in eighteen to twenty four year old would

481
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: use when he saw a zero blitz for the first

482
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: time in Cardinals camp, and he said, buffery not trying

483
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: to decide what exactly to do with the football at

484
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: that point, just brought it sort of a smile just

485
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: to sort of the age group that one. But that

486
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: final drive, Cardinals come out Kenyan Drake, it was DeAndre

487
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Hopkins on first down, got twelve yards, Kenyan Drake got

488
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: fourteen yards on a run. First down in ten again

489
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake a one yard run, and then you got

490
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: the two shots to Keshan Johnson, both incomplete. Cardinals come

491
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: back to the sideline and there was frustration. There's no

492
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: doubt about it. You saw it. Guys. Guys ramped up

493
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: and I think they were thinking they were going to

494
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: get the ball back. They never did. But do you

495
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: think there's a lesson learned there? A little bit Darren

496
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: that in that key situation, if you're Kyler, you're you

497
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: continue to target a DeAndre Hopkins go to a fits

498
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: in that situation as opposed to a guy who missed

499
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: the first two games and as your fifth or six

500
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Speaker 1: string receiver. You know, again, as I said before, I

501
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: was surprised it plays out there. But at the same time,

502
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, let's say Drake gets his one yard run.

503
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: Let's say you try and go back shoulder to Keshan,

504
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: and it's incomplete like that ended up being. And I

505
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: don't really I haven't really looked at that play in particular,

506
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: but on the third down, if he sees Andy Isabella,

507
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: which I'm he didn't go to Keishan because I've got

508
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: to go to Keishean, he obviously didn't see Andy Isabella,

509
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: who was definitely wide open and had about two steps

510
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: cutting across towards his own sideline. That would have been

511
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: not only a first down, but that out of a

512
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: chance for some real yack yardage on that play, and

513
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: it's and certainly would have kept the drive aligne if

514
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: he throw, if he sees him and they make that catch,

515
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: and they're able to continue on that drive, and let's

516
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: let's argue that they have enough momentum at that point

517
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: that they go and score a touchdown and they win

518
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: that game. Then all of a sudden he throws three

519
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: picks and they win. Then all of a sudden, it's

520
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: only one less target to Keishawan Johnson and they win

521
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: that game. It just shows you how how razor thin

522
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: the outcome of this game was and how different we

523
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 1: would be talking about it. I mean, if they go in.

524
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: If they get in Andy Isabella there, they go in

525
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. They up winning that game. They're gonna

526
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: end up with I don't know, whatever it was. They

527
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: would have had over four hundred yards of offense. Kyler

528
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: Murray would have had let's say, let's say Drake runs

529
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: in that final touchdown. He still has three touchdowns he

530
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: accounted for Kyler Murray, even though he had the three picks.

531
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: People are like, Okay, even though Kyler Murray turned the

532
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: ball over something, this is still a really good team.

533
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: And I guess that's that's where I keep pausing every

534
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: time we get to the very specific things, because you

535
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: how much it could be different just on that one player,

536
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: those two plays. And I'm not even putting the first

537
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: interception on him at all. His arm got yet And honestly,

538
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: and we probably disagree on this, Darren, but Dan Arnold,

539
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: I know the ball is wobbling, but you get both

540
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: hands on it, and it wasn't exactly a laser beam.

541
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: And we've seen Dan Arnold make ridiculous catches in camp,

542
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: So to me, that was not on Kyler at all.

543
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: I get. I don't think it's on him when he

544
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: gets hit I'm not it would have been nice if

545
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: dan Arnold comes up with that, But I know, but

546
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking in the context of the game. When

547
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: you're going and you see his arm coming your way

548
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: and you're you're expecting a certain velocity on that pass

549
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: and it's not there because his hands hit and it's fluttering,

550
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: that's an awful That's a quick ass way to have

551
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: to turn around and make that catch. Again, I don't

552
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: do does Dan Arnd, Does Rob Gronkowski make that catch?

553
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Does any of the great tight ends make that catch? Perhaps?

554
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think as long as we're talking about

555
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold, I love the Dan Arnold story. But again,

556
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: when we talked about before the season what kind of

557
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: year he would have, and I'd have all these people saying,

558
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: fantasy wise, what is dan Arnold gonna do? And I

559
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: was like, well, let's I kind of want to see

560
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with dan Arnold before we get too

561
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: over our skis. And I think you're kind of seeing

562
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: the transition to what they would like him to be

563
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: and what he might be at this point. So again,

564
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I agree with you. I'm

565
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: not putting that on Kyler, he can't stare down receivers.

566
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I just he had a bad game, and I agree

567
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: with Kyle. I think he's in a position where he

568
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: can have a nice bounce back game. I don't think

569
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: he's going to have another game like that the next

570
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: two weeks, by any stretch of the imagination, no crowd.

571
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be anxious to get out

572
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: there and show people what he's able to do, because

573
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: I think we can sit here and criticize it all

574
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: we want. There's nobody who's more angry at Kyler Murray

575
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: right now than Kyler Murray after what he did. Yeah,

576
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: there's one thing we know about the coach and the quarterback.

577
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: They're grinders and they're ultra competitive. So you know, and

578
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: ask for what the Lions did. Matt Patricia wouldn't answer

579
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: that question. He said, and I quote, I probably should

580
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: keep that philosophy to ourselves. And then Matt and then

581
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford did make the comment about how the d

582
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: played outstanding getting him three turnovers. We should have scored forty,

583
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: you asked Kyler, and a couple of those were gifts,

584
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: as he mentioned user air. So what is undeniable as

585
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, Kyle and ten catches another one hundred plus

586
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: yard game, leads the NFL boat receptions and receiving yards,

587
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: And honestly, you get the sense, at least I do,

588
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: they're not completely in sync. It may be far from it,

589
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and they're still ultra productive. Yeah, I mean, I thought

590
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a more balanced offense this season.

591
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: You knew that DeAndre Hopkins was gonna be your number

592
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: one receiver, but I didn't think it was gonna be

593
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and then falling off a cliff and then

594
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: you're number two through four. It's been But you see

595
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: him on the field, I mean, you get the ball

596
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: in his hands. He's slithery, he's got great hands when

597
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: he's getting contested catches. He runs such great routes that

598
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: he has separation. It's everything you want. And I think

599
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: teams are going to really bracket him moving forward and

600
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: try to keep him under control and make other guys

601
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: prove it. And I think the Cardinals have the talent

602
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: to do it. Like we talked about last week, I

603
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: think those other guys will have big games. But if

604
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: teams keep allowing DeAndre Hopkins the easy catches. They're certainly

605
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: going to keep throwing it to him, you know. On

606
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: Game Plan Cliff Kingsbury's TV show this week, I asked him,

607
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: as anything surprised you because to me, his yards after catch,

608
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: it's very impressive. We know the hands, we know is

609
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the way he competes with the football, and Kingsmor agreed

610
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: with that. He said, yeah, he really has an innate

611
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: sense of where to go and how to run with

612
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: the football after the catch. You know, Darren and I do.

613
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't do this lately, and it's not the same fashion,

614
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: but the same productivity effectiveness to me of an ant

615
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Kuon Bolden. How many times did ant Quan Bolden take

616
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: the short catch in the flat and then boom, just

617
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: make something out of nothing and make before you know it,

618
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: he's made anywhere from three to a half dozen guys

619
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: miss and he's got you a first down. That it's

620
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: in that fashion, it's sort of a similar approach to

621
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: the receiver position that DeAndre Hopkins has to ant Kuon

622
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: bold without the ferocity perhaps and the physicality that q

623
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: had back in the day. I can see that. I

624
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: think that's a fair a fair assessment. I mean even

625
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: even if we go back to the Todd Haley, Larry Fitzgerald, Hey,

626
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: mister one trick pony, you know, you could be so

627
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: much better and take your game to a whole nother

628
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: level if you just were willing to be a little

629
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: more for physical and get those yards after the catch,

630
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: which he learned. And I think with DeAndre Hopkins what

631
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: really strikes me and this is not a surprise. He

632
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: was a three time All Pro before I ever got here.

633
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: But it's so weird that, you know, there have been

634
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: some Hall of Fame type receivers here between Fits and

635
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Hankuon that we've watched grow from the ground up because

636
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: they both showed up his rookies and whereas this guy,

637
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: they drop him in and he's a finished product. And

638
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: I've seen DeAndre Hopkins play on a handful of national

639
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: TV games, but because he's in the AFC and because

640
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: it was the Texans, I didn't see him a ton.

641
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: So watching him all the time now is still kind

642
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: of new to me and yet again finished product. And

643
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: you can see it. You can see, you can see

644
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: everything he does well. Quite frankly, all these talks about,

645
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, how he doesn't practice a lot and as

646
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: we've seen since he didn't practice a ton in training

647
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: camp at all, and then we got to the regular

648
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: season and he takes every Wednesday off. And yet I

649
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: understand it now because the dude shows up on Sundays

650
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: and he is uber productive and who cares? And I

651
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: think we've talked about before, and I just want to

652
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: stay for the record. I'm thinking, probably nobody even remembers

653
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: this but me. So I'm probably stupid for even bringing

654
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: it up on these podcast airwaves. But I feel like

655
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: at one point I even said I could see a

656
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: scenario because they were so deep a receiver that nobody

657
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: got a thousand yards, including DeAndre Hopkins. And damn, do

658
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: I sound really really stupid? He's gonna do it after

659
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: seven games. I'll have it by the by the bye week. Yeah,

660
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: And then again, does that make this Cardinal's offense a

661
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: little too predictable? Kyles? I mean, what are you thinking

662
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: right now? If indeed you're Matt Rule and that Carolina defense,

663
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: are you know, among things that you're gonna make the

664
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Speaker 1: Cardinals offense prove. I'm guessing that you're gonna pull a

665
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Belichick at this point and take away what the Cardinals

666
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: do best and then have him go from there. I

667
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: don't know what Matt Patricia what his plan was, because

668
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: he's a Belichick guy obviously, so I don't know what

669
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: he probably assessed Kyler. We take away Kyler's running based

670
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: on what we saw the first two weeks, and let's

671
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: see how the Cardinals can adapt from there. I'm guessing now,

672
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: if if you can take away Kyler's running and then

673
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna brack it DeAndre Hopkins, you know that'll be

674
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: quite a double barrel challenge for the Cardinals offense. And

675
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: maybe that is the hard part for a defensive coordinator because,

676
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: as you say that, you're kind of running out of

677
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: players to do all this stuff if you're trying to

678
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: if you ever spy Kyler Murray, you can't brack it

679
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. But I think I think it might happen.

680
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean, DeAndre Hopkins has been so good for three

681
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: games that you might want others to prove it. And

682
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: I just wonder with the way Andy Isabella played, I mean,

683
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: our team's comfortable playing him one on one because I

684
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: feel like with the strides he's taken, it's gonna be

685
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: tough to stop him one on one on deep routes

686
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: if if you are shading that safety over to Hopkins.

687
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: But it's not like we've talked about. It's it's so

688
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: imbalanced right now with Hopkins and everybody else that maybe

689
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: teams do start playing the Cardinals differently. I'm guessing defensive

690
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: coordinators assume the same as us, where Hopkins would get

691
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: his targets, but so would Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk

692
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: and Andy Isabella and it and the running game would

693
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: be efficient. And it's really been such heavy Hopkins and

694
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray that is this the real Cardinals offense? Or

695
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: is this just a small sample size? You know, just

696
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: like a week ago we talked about maybe the more

697
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: impressive play for it wasn't the fifty four yard or

698
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: to Andy Isabella. It was the slant, the quick slant

699
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: where he opened up the hips and he made the

700
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: camp catch with his hands behind him. I like the

701
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: four yard touchdown and the fact he got off the press.

702
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't a classic, complete in your face press, but

703
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: there was physicality and the dB was at the line

704
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and he got off that and got into

705
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: space and left that guy because in the dust and

706
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: that wasn't always the case. Last year at five to

707
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: nine a buck eighty something. It was he had to,

708
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, learn that ability to get off these physical

709
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: NFL corners, and so I like that a lot. What

710
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: is interesting And you guys mentioned Carolina as Cardinals go

711
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: on the road, and I don't know what it's like

712
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: from the press box, but there is zero, and I

713
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: mean zero home field advantage. You can try and replicate

714
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: things with your JumboTron and the game ops in some

715
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: of the sound effects. But and I almost asked this

716
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: of Cliff Kingsbury and then we ran out of time,

717
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: probably thankfully for my sake, but the fact there were

718
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: no fans in the stands and no NFL coach is

719
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: going to use that as an excuse or cite that.

720
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: But there was nothing to feed off, Darren. There was

721
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 1: nothing for the if the Cardinals came out a little

722
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: bit flat, and if they maybe expected the Lions to

723
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: umplode like the Lions had done the eleven previous games

724
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: to some degree at some point during the game, and

725
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden the fans could maybe get

726
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: them back into the game and refocus them and get

727
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: give them a boost none of that existed. If there

728
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: were there were fans there, that's that's evidence enough. Because

729
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: how many guys turned around looking for the fans and

730
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: all they saw was Paully pencil neck in the front row.

731
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's beyond disappointing. Maybe that was the deflating factor.

732
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they're flat in the game. I'm not

733
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: exactly sure, but I mean, you go on the road

734
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: and it's you might as well be playing these in

735
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: the bubble, the NBA style, because there's zero atmosphere and

736
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: zero advantage. No I would agree, and even I mean

737
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: even at home, I mean with with what happened. You know,

738
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I had my sons happened to be at the Lions game.

739
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: And you get a group of family and friends that

740
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: aren't probably the most vocal people of all time because

741
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: they're watching it for different reasons than most fans are,

742
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't make a huge difference. I don't know.

743
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to know it. I don't know what

744
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: the Carolina rules are right now. That's the other problem too,

745
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: is we're gonna be going to all these places. If

746
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: we go to New York, we know there's gonna be

747
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: no fans or New Jersey, but all these other places,

748
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: it's been all kind of hit and miss on whether

749
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a handful of people in the stands

750
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: or not. So I don't know exactly what's happening in Carolina.

751
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Abott looked at that recently. And now that we've got

752
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: the most recent COVID situation with the Tennessee Titans and

753
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: how that may or may not impact the NFL going forward,

754
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everything's going to get a little

755
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: bit more scrutinized, a little bit more, and I think

756
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: that really gets ratcheted up. I mean, I think it

757
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: was really easy over the first few weeks to kind

758
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: of forget where we are as a society because the

759
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: NFL was able to make this work so well, and

760
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 1: props the NHL for getting through their entire season, back

761
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: half of the season and their championship without any problems,

762
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: and the NBA is about to do the same thing,

763
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: and Baseball has made it to their play offs and

764
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: the NFL can only keep hoping. But then stuff might

765
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: like Tennessee might happen, and then all of a sudden

766
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: kind of okay, hold on one second here, and I

767
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: think things might get tightened up a little bit more.

768
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: I'll be interesting to see what all happens there. But

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00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Paul. I mean, it's the reality

770
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: is this is an emotional game, perhaps more than any

771
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: other sport, and to not have that, to be able

772
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: to not be able to draw on that, I do

773
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: think it is going to make an impact, and we've

774
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: seen it in the NBA. There is no home court advantage.

775
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: Obviously they're playing on a neutral court all the time anyways.

776
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: But I don't think for those who are following the NBA,

777
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: do I think the Nuggets make it to the Western

778
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: Conference Finals come back down three one twice in a

779
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: row if they were actually playing road games, I absolutely

780
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: do not. I absolutely think the NBA would have played

781
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: out differently. So I do think that this is a season,

782
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: as we said before, that could be really weird. Although

783
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: right now I don't know who he's beating, the Chiefs,

784
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: but that's neither here nor there, and so this could

785
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: be weird. And it goes back to what you said,

786
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: there's no home field advantage really to speak of. Do

787
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: you see, by the way, any of the headlines on

788
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: the back pages of the New York post and the

789
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: Jets and Giants who are both owing three right now.

790
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: There was one on Monday morning after they both got

791
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: blown out, and there was a split screen on the

792
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: back page. There was a shot of Darnold and a

793
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: shot of Daniel Jones and the headline screen three and doubt.

794
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: That was a headline instead of three and out three

795
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: in doubt. And then there was another like subheadline about

796
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: they deserved the booing that didn't exist, and so it

797
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: was anyway that was that was abundant. But here's my segue,

798
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: Kyle to you. The other thing we're not hearing along

799
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: with fans is the name Chandler Jones being called. I

800
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: asked Passion Wolf in the post game. I said, I

801
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: don't think you guys called Chandler Jones name once the

802
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: entire game. And I asked Cliff Kingsbury and his TV

803
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: show and he's sort of cut me off in mid

804
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: question and said, he's getting more attention than ever he's

805
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: been treat He's being treated like the elite pass rusher

806
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: he is, and it's opening up things for other guys.

807
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: What do you have to add to that? What do

808
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: you where do you think this goes? Is this something

809
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to get used to the rest of

810
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: the year. Just an absence of Chandler Jones big plays. Yeah,

811
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean one sack in three games, regardless of the attention.

812
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're an elite edge rusher, you certainly

813
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: want to have a bigger impact than that, even if

814
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: teams are chipping you or double teaming you. So I

815
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: feel like I'm sure he wants to improve. I do

816
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: think Hasan Reddick has been a very pleasant surprise. I

817
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: think Devon Kannard has been better than I thought he

818
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: would be. Corey Peters has been really good in the

819
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: pass rush, which you're not really counting on. So other

820
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: guys have certainly picked up the slack. And I don't

821
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: think the pass rush has been a humongous issue. I

822
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: do think late against Detroit it wasn't as prevalent as

823
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: it needed to be, and I think the Detroit passing

824
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: game got in a really nice rhythm. But yeah, I

825
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: do feel like Chandler Jones needs to get to that

826
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: level in order for the Cardinals defense to really reach

827
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: its potential, because he is their best pass rusher. He's

828
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: the guy. When he gets back there, he gets a

829
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: lot of forced fumbles, the strip sacks a lot of times,

830
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: he recovers it himself, So I think he just has

831
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: that knack four big plays, and we'll see if those

832
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: other guys continue to perform. Teams are going to have

833
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: to make sure that they're stopping everybody and not just

834
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, so we'll see how it goes. But I

835
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: do feel like this is a good opportunity this week

836
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: against the Panthers team that has thrown it deep a

837
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: decent amount. They have gotten a nice number of chunk plays,

838
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: So I think if the Cardinals can get ahead and

839
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: get Chandler Jones rolling, that's obviously going to help them

840
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: a lot. And then also those other guys continuing to

841
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: do what they've done. And if you want the matchup

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: of the game to me just early in the process here,

843
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: you look at that left tackle position for the Carolina

844
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: Panthers and it's a three headed platoon right now. Russell

845
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: o'coon's been dealing with a groin injury. They rotated three

846
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: different guy in against Joey Bosa and the Chargers, all

847
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: of them struggled with four g's in there, the two

848
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: backups and Trent Scott and Greg Little. So this would

849
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: be a great week for Chandler Jones. And you know

850
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: what two years ago, Darren, if you think about it, it

851
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: it was Week four against the Niners where remember Chandler

852
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: had put on a little extra weight. It was in

853
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes defense, and then he realized, you know what,

854
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: this isn't working so well and he shed the weight.

855
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: And I think it was the Week four where he

856
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: had the breakout game at the forty nine Ers. Might

857
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: have been Week five and he had a big Gammas

858
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: to remember doing the postgame interview in the locker room.

859
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: So it's a different circumstance and different situation. He's not

860
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: losing any weights, he's not changing his body composition. But

861
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: I do wonder if maybe in the current iteration to

862
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: this defense that they're trying to figure out how to

863
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: unlock Chandler Jones, and if it happens at Carolina, that

864
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: would be great to see. Obviously. Yeah, I mean, he

865
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: had two four stack games last year and that was

866
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: a big boost towards his sack total. I mean that's

867
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: eight of his nineteen sacks, and obviously you take those away,

868
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: he still has eleven sacks. It's a very nice season.

869
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: I feel like it's still kind of early. I do

870
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: agree with Kyle. There's been other pass rushers that have

871
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: gotten I mean, Jordan Phillips has two sacks already. I

872
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: mean they're getting the sacks. I think some of the

873
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: time they're getting the pressure unfortunately. I think what we're

874
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: remembering is that last drive when you're assuming Matthew Stafford's

875
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: going to be throwing a lot, and they couldn't seem

876
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: to get enough pressure although he was getting the ball

877
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: off so fast. Clearly advanced Joseph saw it because they

878
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: kept trying to blitz and it was not getting anywhere.

879
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: So you're gonna need to have guys hold up on

880
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: the back end so to give him a little bit

881
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: of time. But I don't I'm not worried about Chandler

882
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Jones right now. Again going into the Lions game, I

883
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: don't know what the numbers are right now, but going

884
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: into lines gave me had six quarterback hits in two games.

885
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: Even though he had the one sack. He was getting pressure,

886
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: he just wasn't getting the sacks. And I don't want

887
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: to get overly reliant on that one stat. It would

888
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: be nice for him to go crazy, and I know

889
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: we're all talking about, you know, records and stuff, and

890
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know if that's was ever that realistic

891
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: knowing what teams we're going to be doing, But I

892
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: think I think they're gonna be okay. Now, if we

893
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: get to mid season he's got one sack or two sacks,

894
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: that would be a little bit concerning because you're counting

895
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: on him to produce. But right now that's not where

896
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: we are. And the Cardinals did have four sacks in

897
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: the game. It might not have felt like it completely,

898
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: but Corey Peters and Jordan Phillips and Devon Kannard and

899
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: as Son reddickal had sacks. So if you can get

900
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: Chandler on tracked, then guess what, it's a more dynamic

901
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: pass rush than it has been in the past few

902
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: years because there are more guys getting home right now.

903
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: You just I just see if you can make that

904
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: payoff for you. And you're gonna see an experienced guy

905
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: and Teddy Bridgewater. It's not gonna be a Dwayne Haskins.

906
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a Teddy Bridgewater coming up in this matchup.

907
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: And if he's gonna try and take a page out

908
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: of Matthew Stafford's playbook. Yeah, Darren's right, He's gonna be

909
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: getting to the ball quick and and forcing the Cardinals

910
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: to tackle, especially if they're minus Buddha Baker. Yeah, I

911
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: think that's a big key, and that's a great point

912
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: that Matthew Stafford was not waiting around to throw that ball.

913
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: It was very quick in the majority of those snaps.

914
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: So a lot of it is on the secondary, and

915
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: I think Drake Kirkpatrick and Byer Murphy had some issues

916
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: in pass coverage against the Lions and that was the

917
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: best wide receiver group that they had seen, So you

918
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: want them to bounce back. But I think the Panthers

919
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: have some underrated guys. They don't have huge name recognition players,

920
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: but Robbie Anderson and d J. Moore and Kurtis Samuel

921
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: are all decent receivers. So it is a test for

922
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: that secondary, especially knowing like we've talked about, you don't

923
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: have the band aid and Buddha Baker to help out

924
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of different things. So there's more going

925
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: to be on Buyer Murphy and Drake Kirkpatrick to really

926
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: lock down their guys without that help. Wait, Kyle, are

927
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: you are you coming up with a nickname for Buddha now?

928
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: Buddha and aid Baker? Is that what you're calling him? Now?

929
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: We'll see after this week it might be pretty glaring

930
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: after him not on the field. It was pretty amazing though,

931
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how could you not think with the Cardinals

932
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: wearing the number eight on their jersey and honor of

933
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: the lake Great Larry Wilson and the famous legendary epic

934
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: story of been making interception with two casts in his hands,

935
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: and there's Buddha rocking the massive thumb splint all wrapped

936
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: up and then he's on the sideline getting the other

937
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: hand looked at, and you're just wondering, Okay, is this

938
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, the first game without Larry Wilson

939
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: and wearing the patch if he would have been out there,

940
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: and he actually did get his and he actually injured

941
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: the left hand getting his hands on a laser beaming

942
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: passed for Matthew Stafford. Wasn't that that's how it happened, right,

943
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: I'd assume so, I mean that was a bullet and

944
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: he dove so he almost had that pick too. That

945
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: was a nice play. Well, here's the thing, Darren, you're

946
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: going to Carolina. I'm going to Carolina, and there's history

947
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: in that stadium. Last time in that stadium, that was

948
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game, right, that was the last trip

949
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: to Carolina, wasn't it? Uh? What's it? I think played

950
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: them the next year? They did play the next year,

951
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I just remember that. I mean, obviously,

952
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: remember the NFC Championship game. Remember the playoff game with

953
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Linley was off the playoff win. Obviously in the

954
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight run. I mean, there have been

955
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: some memory for a nondescript dare I say, franchise and stadium.

956
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: There have been some pretty memorable games in Cardinal's history

957
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: at that location. I actually like that stadium. I like

958
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: that city. I like that city a lot better when

959
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm able to go out in it and do stuff.

960
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: But that's not a bad city. I'm gonna have to

961
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: have you have your tracer on, Darren. Just remember that

962
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna know where you're at in Charlotte. We're gonna

963
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: know exactly where you're at at all times. You better

964
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: be wearing that contact tracer. Well, I'm just I'm just again,

965
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm hoping with the most recent stuff that's happened with

966
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee and the Titans, that things don't get locked down

967
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: even further than they already are. What else is out there, Kyle?

968
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: Anything anything? Any other numbers, any other dvo A, h

969
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: o A numbers. What about the H. How's your HROA doing, Kyle?

970
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: My H is good. They don't bother me too much,

971
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: but they keep the houses looking good the front yard,

972
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: so I'm happy with the H. You haven't had any

973
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: weed violations or anything recently. No, A year or two

974
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: ago I got busted for not bringing my trash can

975
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: in fast enough one day, but they were sticklers about

976
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: it that week. So yeah, what about the field? What

977
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: about the war the weeds above replacement? That's good? You

978
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: know what you tell hand ran down the street to

979
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: stop reporting you for the stink and garbage canner? You

980
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: get your busiest football season, you're going seven days a week. Seriously,

981
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: what's out of line? That's you know? You know what

982
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: I saw. I'm gonna leave you with this and this

983
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: is no joke. A month ago, I go rolling the

984
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: old recycling can out to the sidewalk right at dust

985
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: so you know it's dark enough and I and three

986
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: houses down a neighbor come out, literally, looks around all suspicious, like,

987
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: walks down everything except tiptoeing, walks down one house and

988
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: drops his recyclables. Apparently his was full into somebody else's receptacle.

989
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I'll wait a minute. That's an h

990
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: way foul right there. Come on, did you report him? Paul?

991
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna tell our neighbor because I know the

992
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: neighbor within whom's receptacle those you know, And the wife said, no,

993
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: don't do it, don't, don't, don't, don't create neighborhood drama.

994
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Come on, you know. I mean, if

995
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: the recycle can is already out there, what's the harm

996
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: in adding to it? If it's just gonna get picked up.

997
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: I can see if it's already been emptied, but if

998
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: it's out there full, I feel like, no harm, no

999
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: foul there, not that I do it. But because I

1000
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: brought in the garbage can last week, no joke, and

1001
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: the cannon it was, the lid was open, and I

1002
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: looked down and there was a big tall can of beer,

1003
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: like the forty eight ounce can of beer, And I'm like, who,

1004
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: who just polished off a forty eight ounce can of

1005
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: beer at one in the afternoon on a Wednesday. Here,

1006
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: your son is homeschooling, correct, that's it, you know what.

1007
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go check on him right now actually, so

1008
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: that'll do it for Cards Underground