WEBVTT - Perfect w/ Kimberly J. Brown 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.720 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.280 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.120 Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up NSVU podcast. I'm 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.959 Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. Hello, thanks for joining us. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.960 We're going to talk SVU. We're going to talk crime, 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.199 and then we're going to have an incredible guest that 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:42.000 I think you guys. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:42.680 Will flip out over. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.240 And now we have some announcements, some chats, some updates, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.040 some gossip. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.680 We can't wait. You know, we're on tour. Do you 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:51.960 know this? 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.680 I ran into someone in my neighborhood. They had no 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.880 idea we were performing in Los Angeles. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.040 Hello, that's crazy, you guys. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.279 If you're not following us on Instagram, it is really 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.880 where we put a lot of fun content about the 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.800 pod and we try to add extra little fun bits 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:07.800 and bobs there for you too. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.279 But we're pod. Yeah, and if you're on Twitter, I'm sorry, 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.080 we don't care. Yeah, we don't put as much on Twitter. No, 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:15.320 we don't put us on Twitter. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.039 But there's not as many of you following us on 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.600 Twitter either, so like but follow us on Instagram. We 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.399 do try to Lisa plays really fun games in the stories, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.880 little polls. We're always trying to make it fun on there. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.600 But it's also where we're talking a lot about our tour. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:30.319 Thank you so much to those of you that have 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.640 already bought tickets. We have sold out a couple of 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:38.280 our shows in Seattle, but we are, you know, possibly 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.240 have something else in the works there, so stay tuned. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.280 We also got you guys asked, We have answered. We 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.760 have added a San Francisco show. It's going to be Thursday, 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.080 June ninth at Cobb's Comedy Club. Come see us. You 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.440 guys harassed us on Instagram and we submitted and we 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.000 got you a show there, so we're really excited. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:58.040 You can go too. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.280 That's messed up live dot com for all of our 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.480 tour dates and ticket links and yeah, we obviously want 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.880 to come all over the country and these shows show. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.040 Yeah, you want to come all over the country? Is 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.600 that it? You sick buck? Come get this count You're 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:14.360 never going to get that. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.079 You have to experience this magic in person, So come 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.600 to our shows and these tour dates. Doing well is 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.720 important to getting us to your city. So if you 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.560 have friends that live in these other cities like Tempe, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.320 San Diego, Irvine, you know, Denver, please tell your friends 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.079 and please come see us, because we're dying to meet 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.000 all you guys and talk murder. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:37.040 And speaking of meeting people, I did meet someone at 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.440 the Kennedy Center. I was there performing for a nice, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.280 you know, little festival moment. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.160 I don't know what it was, but it. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.560 Was for Women's Month, and I met someone that was 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.760 working at the Kennedy Center and they let me know 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:55.200 that the Margaret Chose story of Richard Belzer's dogs being 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.200 run all over without any leashes at the Kennedy Center 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.200 is true and it is folklore there, and that the 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.160 dogs are like running into the elevators alone and like 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.440 doing whatever they wanted. And so we got confirmation gossip 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.320 on Belzer's dogs at the Kennedy Center. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.160 So I love that had to share. I love that. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.760 We also posted on our Instagram another reason for our 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.080 Instagram follow We also posted recently, an eagle eyed listener 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.760 sent us a video of Munch answering the phone with 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.200 a delicate tattoo of the word love scripted on his wrist. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.440 That's what it said, right, love. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.400 It said love. But I didn't think it was that delicate. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.279 It was pretty thick, pretty. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.600 So thick, but like in script. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.080 I guess that delicateness I meant is like script, like 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.320 in like a very feminine like cursive like. Yeah. Listener 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.920 points it out that the tattoo looks like Louise's keychain 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.640 from Sex and the City too. You know she has 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.320 that like love keychain. It's just I thought it was 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.560 a shock for Munch, and people were sending us a 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.480 lot of skeleton emojis. They were very Everyone was overwhelmed 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.520 that Munch has a I mean, he also seems like 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.400 such a like observant jew. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.480 Do you know what I mean? You like to be 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.200 have a tattoo? It's interesting. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.160 Oh, by the way, do you remember when me, you 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.240 and another friend went to a pool at a Kimpton 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.760 hotel and got wasted in the daytime. You had like 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.640 just had rosie and there was a DJ and she 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.320 was incredible. Yes, So she's going to be at South 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.080 by Anna in New York when I'm in both places. Oh, 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.400 I messaged her and then uh, yeah, I'm really really excited. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.520 She was such a good DJ and she was so great. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.680 Maybe we were just blacked out, but I I know 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.120 I was on. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.160 Ring a Tom Collins kick that I think I had 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.799 like six Tom Collins And then I remember I paid 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.840 the bill before I left, because I left you guys 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.480 there and you texted me and you were like like 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.000 the next day you're like, did you pay the bill 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.719 or did we just run out on the check. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:48.240 Don't worry. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.400 Well, that was like a fun moment for us because 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.080 we ordered or we reserved a cabana or whatever, but 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.760 then also a side lounger and we weren't using it, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.839 but anyone that wanted to use it, we would not 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.680 let them because we had. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.599 Paid for it. So I just put like a beach 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.560 cover up on it and was like, we're using it, 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.479 we're using it. One of us might want to lie 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.159 down in a minute. Yeah, it was such assholes. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.479 But the opposite of assholes is sweet, beautiful people, which 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.120 is most of you guys who have been amazing and 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:24.920 sent us so many donations to the RASM organization that 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.360 we shouted out on our Instagram to help people in 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.080 the Ukraine. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.520 We are like overwhelmed by how much. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.840 You guys, we raised so much money to send over there, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.720 and I'm sure more people donated. We just only got 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.760 receipts from people who spent fifty or more. But if 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.480 you gave even four dollars a dollar, like that's still 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.800 a great donation, and like any I think any bit helps. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.360 So you guys are the Yeah, no, we have such 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.320 good listeners, and yeah, it is very good. And it's 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:57.440 like it's just fucked m because now thinking about like 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.840 let's say, God, will you know whatever after like these 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:06.760 people are the airports are fucking demolished, schools, hospitals, like 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.840 infrastructure to the extreme, it's like a really. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.239 Terrifying thing to see. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.640 Yeah, no, absolutely, And I mean I've been reading stuff 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.320 that makes me hopeful that like Putin's in a corner 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.320 and he feels and he's like he's failing and all 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:23.120 this stuff, and I'm. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.880 Like, yeah, but a narcissist in a corner that's scary. Yeah, 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:26.440 it's not good. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.359 That's what I was gonna say, Like, you wonder what 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:29.840 he's gonna do to double down. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.840 So I'm gonna switch it up so we're not saying. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.800 Well, then I watched a video of a young girl 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.240 and a bunker with all the people in the building 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.320 and their pack like sardines, and then she's saying let 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.680 it go from Frozen in Ukrainian and I think was 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.200 it you that were like, why would you watch that? 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:44.680 Yeah? 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.839 I don't know. I was like, there's no rack I 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:51.480 can watch that. I can't. It was really sweet, but yeah, 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.360 it was. Wait. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.120 Can I ask a stupid question? Is there is the 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:56.919 Ukrainian language different than Russian? 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:57.640 Yeah? 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.240 Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, how different is it? 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.760 Do you understand any of it when you hear Ukrainian. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.279 With context clues? 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.560 I could understand it, but I need I usually need 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.679 all the captions and stuff, but some of the spelling 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:11.760 like I can decipher. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:16.040 But yeah, it is a different language. Gotta just to 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.680 switch gears. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.560 My friend Eleanor Kerrigan is so funny at the comedy 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.920 store she opens for Dice and she's just an old 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.560 school funny girl from Philly and I love her so much. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.760 But you know, I don't know if anyone knows this. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.680 I've been crying about it, but I lost my leather 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.440 jacket and no, I think this is the first announcement 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.160 it's made to the pod. Yes, Lisa lost her leather 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.240 jacket at LAX. I did receive a text right after 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.360 it happened and was like, we're going to be dealing 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.280 with the fallout from this. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:45.800 For a while. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.280 So I'm standing with Eleanor, my friend Sydney, and then 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.040 Emily who works at the comedy store, and we're and 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.320 I'm talking about this leather jacket and Emily goes, well, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.440 what brand is it? And I said River Island and 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.360 she goes, I mean it's fine, you could get a 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.080 better one. And I got laughed at so hard by 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.680 Sydney and Eleanor because they saw how distraught I was. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.600 I was like in tears about this leather jacket and 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.760 this woman is like, yeah, I think it's okay. 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.119 It was like fuck off. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:20.040 So that Eldenor is actually like Andrew dice Clay is 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.840 cleaning out his home, and so she goes, well, I 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.520 have some dice jackets in my car. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:25.480 Do you want to try him on? 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.400 So then I went into her trunk and I started 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.240 trying on Andrew dice Clay's leather. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.280 Jackets last night. Did you get to do one? 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:33.960 No? 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:35.880 They were you know, they were big and heavy, and 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.319 really like he's a big guy. But then she also 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.920 had Muhammad Ali's boxing gloves in the car, so then 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.160 I started, I took. I had a little photo. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.960 Shoot with boxing gloves just for my dad and they 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.160 were in a case. But it was just like a 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.719 funny trunk wow, silly thing. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.360 But I got to wear his leather jackets. I thought 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.000 that was funny. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.160 But to get shaded said he was like, no, she 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.720 called me in tears about this jacket and someone was 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.600 just like, yeah. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.480 That's not a good brand at all. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.640 Yeah, okay, I know that brand, but I don't really 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.480 know any good Like I have. My leather jacket is 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.800 the only nice thing I own. And I like did 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.280 research on where to get it. What brand is your 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:16.880 leather jacket? 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:17.679 It's All Saints. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.439 Oh yeah that's the best. Yeah, All Saints is good. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.360 But that's like a thousand dollars No, no, no, it 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.640 was it was half that oh okay, And it was 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.480 like it was like a purchase when I moved to 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.360 LA because like the weather's so weird here, and I 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:29.720 was like, this is gonna be a jacket. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:30.880 I wear all the time, and I do. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.760 Yeah, mine was like under three hundred dollars and everyone's like, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.120 just buy another one, but it's just more to it. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.280 Like like someone was like, why didn't you just get 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:39.840 one right away? 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:40.240 In d C. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.600 I'm like, a leather jacket is not like a quick 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.479 yeah purchase. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.240 It's like and I wear it every day? 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think DC's got the leather 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.040 goods you're looking for. No offense, DC, I just think 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.560 you should look at like I really went around and 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.400 like tried on a bunch of different ones, like cause 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.800 I thought that was like like a big purchase. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.320 You know it is, and it's something where every day 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.000 did you get the did you text tricks see it? 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:03.800 No? 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.640 Not yet, but I will. Oh. So have you been 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:07.480 watching Drag Race? 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.760 Yeah? Are you caught up? I just caught up last night, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:11.640 so I was an right boiler. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.320 Yeah, the double save again, the two double saves. It's like, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.520 we're never going to get to the end of the season. Well, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:18.000 listen to this. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.520 I'm talking to someone yesterday and caught justin Martindale. He 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.720 yesterday goes, you know what it was ruin her head, went, 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.400 I need eight girls for Snatch Game. 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.360 Yeah, but then do Snatch Game before that episode? 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:35.240 Then but that is like I wonder if she knew 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.080 it was going to be a double save. No matter what, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.440 I think that cornbread leaving fucked up the whole schedule. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.839 So then they had that double save, and then they 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.240 had they had they probably had like guests picked to 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.360 come for Snatch game, and so they had to do eight. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.520 But you're right, it's exactly like it has to be eight. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.200 Jasmin absolutely would have gone home third lip sync like 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:55.200 she would have gone home. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.160 I think, wow, Yeah, But they were both great, and 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.760 I loved that they played with each other and usually 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.800 don't to hear a motown hit, so that was like 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:02.920 really exciting to hear. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:04.160 Great. They were great. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.640 I just feel like if it wasn't for the reason 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.800 exactly that your friend is saying, like, then yeah, but 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.640 I didn't even think about that. 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:12.559 That's what's embarrassing. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.239 It's like we have worked in television, we do know television, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.400 and then I completely, I completely believe it. I'm like, 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.839 oh my god, a double say you know, like I 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:22.400 don't know why, because if they. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.480 Moved the snap game, if they moved the night game 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.240 up a week, it might have affected the guests and 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.240 like a whole bunch of other shits, so I think 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.839 they were just like whatever, we're doing it this way 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:30.200 and other. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.040 On the pit stop too, they were like, we do 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.680 not think that was a double say, like, no one 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.040 watching it thought it was that spectacular. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.719 Yeah, but it was really good. I don't know, No, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.440 it was good. It was good. I just I get 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.520 a little bit like h or when they bring people 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.360 back sometimes I'm like, oh my god, we're going to 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:48.920 be here forever. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.640 I wonder if Katya is going to talk about what's 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.440 happening with the war, Like I wonder what her I 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.040 do too. I haven't heard Russian and left. Well, her 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:02.880 favorite Russians performer Alla Polkachova has escaped Russia. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.959 I read and is that the same singer who was 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.480 positive for COVID that she talked about on her She 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.000 had a singer she follows in Russia who they posted it. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.360 They posted their positive COVID test and Katya thought it 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.520 was a pregnancy test, but then she had to translate 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.080 the caption and was like, oh no, sorry, it's a 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:16.760 COVID test. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.760 She was like, oh, thirty nine, that's wonderful, you're pregnant. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.800 Oh no, Alla Pokachhova is like in her sixties, like 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.480 I used to see her as a child. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.520 She truly is like this legend. But she's married to Galkin, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.640 who's a young, like thirty year old. Like she's married 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.199 to a very young man who's obsessed with wow okay, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.840 and they love each other. But I read that they've escaped. Yeah, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.600 like the Jimmy Fallon of Russia spoke out his show 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.000 got canceled immediately, like anyone that speaks out about it. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.600 Their electricity has been cut. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.800 No, and now China's backing it up too. China's getting 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.920 rid of all of the of the pro Ukraine stuff 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.199 that's there. So it's like, I don't know. The two 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.559 of them together is what makes me nervous. China and 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.120 Russia like linking up to fuck the world over is 0:12:59.520 --> 0:12:59.960 nerve wrecked. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.800 But I feel like China does own us like we have. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.719 We're delusional to think that we're like America number one, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.120 Like oh, and let's fucking we probably have to do 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:12.679 something positive for gay kid kids because the fucking Senate 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.120 passed in Florida that don't say gay. Bill and Ali 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.640 Krieger and Ashlyn Harris US women's soccer team players I 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.280 saw their posts Baby Sloan and then it's like, wait, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.800 so their child's not gonna be able to say they 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:24.840 have two moms in school? 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.040 Is illegal for her to be like, oh my two 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.040 moms are coming. Like what I think, Just to be clear, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.600 I think that the kids can say whatever they want. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.840 The teachers are not allowed to talk to them about it. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.800 And it's K through three, So I'm hoping at least 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.079 I think that that's fucking deplorable and horrible, but I'm 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.600 hoping that at least that doesn't affect kids that are 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.720 like in their early teen twins that might be seeking 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.520 out a teacher for like help, coming out or something 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.280 like that, that that doesn't, you know, punish them. Even 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.080 though I still think that, I still think K through 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.240 three is fucking awful. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.640 I'm not trying to make light of that. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.040 I'm just saying I when I read that, I was like, Okay, well, 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.319 if I'm going to try to find any silver lining, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.560 it's that it doesn't affect older kids who are more likely. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.400 But you know, it's like dealing with sexual identity starts 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:13.640 at a young age. We should be able to start 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.040 talking to kids. I already tell Rosie at two, because 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.840 she's very into the binarya who's a girl, who's a boy? 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.360 And I go and some people aren't a boy or 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.200 a girl, and some people are a boy and a 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.800 girl and some you know, I'm like trying to tell 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.680 her all the things now at two, because it's already 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.840 starts to get so ingrained, so young. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.320 Well yeah, and then you become a forty year old 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.240 idiot who can't remember to say they you know what 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.040 I mean, yeah, like you got to teach him young, yes, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.640 but it's it's sad. I feel so sad, and I 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.640 can't believe it passed. Because usually with bills that are 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.000 that like deplorable, like you said, and like that shitty, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.480 I'm like, well, it won't pass. It's okay, they're just 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.560 it's just in the news. It won't pass. The ACLU 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.880 will get involved, and then it's like, wow, it passed, okay, fuck. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.840 Yeah yeah yeah. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.480 Because you whenever you like, especially drag race stuff, when 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.120 they do the when they talk to their younger selves 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.040 at the end, it's always like photos of them wearing 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.040 heels as little kids. You know, it's them dressing up 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:13.760 gender many super young. So it's just fucked up. Fuck Florida. 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.080 Fuck Republicans? 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.000 Okay, how do we bring this up? How do we 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.480 bring this up for the end? How do we dismount 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.800 on a positive note? How do we dismount on a 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.040 positive note? What have I seen in the world that 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:31.440 has made me happy? I had funians yesterday. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.120 I went to tap class again yesterday and I am bad? 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.880 Are you bad? Are you bad? At tap? Listen? 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.200 I just like the first two classes, I was like, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.720 I'm okay, I'm doing okay, and then this third class, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.280 I'm like, I she just goes and then it's blah 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.360 blah bah blah blah blah bah, And I go, I, what, like, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.080 you got to do that ten more times? But she 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:52.840 doesn't do it ten more times? And I don't want 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.800 to ask because now your class how hard it is? 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.960 And drag race to learn corea. All I'm saying is 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.200 I'm committed to get better, but I don't think you're 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.200 gonna see me shuffling off to Buffalo anything. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.840 Oh, speaking of dancing, this is something I wanted to 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.200 talk about that I fully forgot. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:08.040 So my friend JB. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.320 Her daughter is at school dance age, and I saw 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.960 a photo and it was her and all of her 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.640 friends and little dresses all in sneakers. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:17.240 I loved it. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.600 I just love that girls go to dances now and 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.120 sneakers and aren't like wearing heels and uncomfortable taking their 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.520 heels off, and what am I gonna do? 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.440 Like what a nightmare we live through? 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.960 And I'm just yeah, dresses with sneakers Casey Musgraves style, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:32.920 Like think. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.800 No party shoes were a nightmare growing up. We called 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.960 them party shoes horrible. And I know I'm never gonna 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.080 get rosy in any so I'm already planning, like the 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.720 sneakers she's gonna wear as a flower girl like she Yeah, 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.840 she's comfort all the way that girl you've seen her. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.360 And I ran into Patty Harris, I mean, oh whatever, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.120 cool people want Independent Spirit Awards and it's like and 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.560 we're there and it's just like fun. My friend Joyel's 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.600 on the nominated for a Critics Choice Award. The award 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.600 show is like, as we're recording like the next two days, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.880 so we'll know she's ill nominated for. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:08.280 Her comedy special. Oh amazing and so so Firestone. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.040 Yeah, but I was like busy when she sent me 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.760 the photo of the dress she was wearing. And I 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.720 just I forgot to respond, I'm living my life. And 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.280 then she goes, so you hate the dress, huh, And 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.080 I was like, no, no, no, I was just busy. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.240 I was busy. I don't hate the dress like I 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:20.800 love it. Yeah. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.320 Check out Joyel Nicole Johnson's special on Peacock and Joe 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:25.920 Firestone special on Peacock. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.400 And now let's fucking and now you're bad the saying 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.639 peacock twice? You per Oh, yeah, let's get going. You 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.119 guys are gonna love today's episode. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:39.080 Let's go okay, fantastic. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.240 We're doing season four, episode twenty four. 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:46.880 It's called perfect, which I like. It is a classic. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.040 And it starts with lights and sirens, cop cars zooming 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.159 to a hip fast like you know fast and the 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:58.600 furious style stop. It like spins around and uniform cops 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.359 like run to the shop owner and the shop owner. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:02.639 Goes, he robbed me, he robbed me. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.840 So cops chase whatever into an alley's trying to find 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:08.040 who robbed them. 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.000 They hear shots. Who what are the shots? 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.080 The shots are in the alley, All the cops are running, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.399 they're meeting up and they have apprehended like a gutter 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.800 punk like skater guy. There's a beanie, you know. Was 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.639 he hungry or drug addict, I'm not sure, but he 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.280 made money for a new board, a new board. And 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.120 then oh no, one of the cops says, check this out. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.160 And there's a shot young girl who is dead, laying 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.920 by the trash can. And then we see Benson coming 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.920 through the yellow crime scene tape. She's a stabler who's 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.560 pinning a badge onto his leather jacket, which seems impossible 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.880 to do, like as a person who is a fan 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.480 of buying pins and my leather jacket, there's no fucking 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.920 way you're not putting a little pin on the leather. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.080 But neither here nor there. So stabler says, I think 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.080 it's weird. They're bringing us into an office. Are involved shooting? 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.680 What's going on here? They're suspicious? And then we see 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:09.800 iab enemy number one, Tucker, and then he describes we 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.640 get all the info. It's a black female teen sleeping 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.920 on the streets, maybe a runaway. Someone worked her over, 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.879 burnmarks on both of her arms, there's ribbons in her 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.040 braids and a very nice blanket. So it's not a 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.520 classic runaway vibes, but there is a hole in her head. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.040 So basically a cop shot her in the head and 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.840 now wants SVU to clean it up. And so they're pissed, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.480 and Tucker's trying to be sincere, like this girl was tortured. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.280 We need to know who she is. Do you want 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.040 her parents to just see her face in the paper? 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.000 So this is a manipulation tactic if I've ever seen one, 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.359 and you know Svu, they have big hearts. So SVU 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.919 starts walking away like, nah, we have no interest in 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.520 cleaning up your mess, and then iab he goes, well, 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:53.959 can't you just do me a favor? 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:55.800 And Benson loses it. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.159 She does a sexy spinback turn and this is a 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.760 perfect moment address her hairdoo. So it's kind of a 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.919 mix between a twenties flapper, a homeschool bowl cut, and 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.520 a boy band guy, but in a fresh cut, like 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.880 a thick, chunky bang, very short. I would say twenties 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.480 flapper is the closest. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.760 Have we covered this hairdoo often? We've done another episode 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.320 in season four, I think, But I don't know. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.640 Or am I always surprised to talk about the hair 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.560 no matter what, Like I'm for some reason, I was like, 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.480 I don't think I've seen this one before, but I 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:31.399 have for sure I have. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.679 And wait, and speaking of looks, Tucker looks so much younger, 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.960 but for so much some reason to me less handsome, 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:38.679 Like I think he looks better older. 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:42.560 Yeah, he's a white hair man. That's what he's meant 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:42.760 to be. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:43.280 Yeah. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.600 So Benson, you know, flips around and she goes all 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.840 the times you people jammed us up, and now you 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.879 want us to play nice. You got a set of 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.600 balls asking us for anything. 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:53.159 Love that. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.239 Stabler says, if we find out it's a cop, like 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.120 the cop shot this girl, you want us to keep 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.840 it quiet. And Tucker goes, no, no, no, do your job. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.120 However it turns out, it turns out we're not here 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.480 to like no secrets. If you don't want to do 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.840 it for me, that's fine, but you obviously want to 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.000 do it for her. So you know our detectives are in. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.960 Now we meet CSU Captain Judith I was let's say 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.400 Judith Light. It's not Judith Light, it's like Judith Judith Cipher. Yeah, 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.440 and she says she found seven slugs and give this, 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.840 and she gives all the scoops on all the evidence 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.639 on the scene and where all the like trajectories came from. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.280 There's shootings from the purpse gun the cops gun, and 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.680 they went through a steel drum and then it hit her. 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.280 But so they do like some some they do detective work. 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.520 I don't know, leave me alone. It's like laser trajectory evidence. 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.680 So we find out the purp is the one who 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:50.199 fired the shot that killed the sweet girl or a 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:51.200 bit so, Like, I'm. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.639 Sorry, if you're like running away from the cops in 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.280 a robbery, what's going through your mind that you're like, 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:57.600 I'm gonna fire some shots. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.199 I'm gonna kill some cops. Like even if you can, 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:00.800 you can go to. 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.199 Jail for robbery for not that long. Like I just 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.560 don't get turning around and being like bang bang bank, 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:06.560 like it's a shootout. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:08.560 Well, I just don't know if people that are robbing 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.440 stores have great decision making skills. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.119 Yeah, yeah, you're asking a lot out of people who 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:15.640 might not. It's like I get running, try to outrun them, 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:16.080 but don't. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.719 I would not try to kill one. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.600 But yeah, cop killers don't bode well in the criminal 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.800 justice system. The fact they didn't shoot him on the 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.000 spot is actually the most fiction thing that as well, 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.800 he's ever done because he was white. Even if you 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.840 shoot a cop, I don't know, they really don't love that. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.440 They don't love that. They'll do a whole parade. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.600 They'll do a whole That's part of our rule of culture, 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.800 if we were to start roles of culture, the cops 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:45.119 famously don't love it when you shoot them. 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.399 So now we're back at the lab Morgue area, Melinda 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:52.360 Warner's playground. She's in a straight hair ponytail. Only problem 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.040 is the girl was already dead. So there's a fork 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:55.640 in all of that. 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:56.400 I saw. 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.440 Let me just say I saw when I was looking 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.959 up when I was looking up various things about this episode, 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.320 Like you know how on IMDb people will sometimes point 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.720 out indiscrepancies. People were, like somebody wrote on IMDb, like 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.679 if the girl was already dead, why was she bleeding 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.640 from the bullet hole. She would have stopped bleeding if 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.119 she was dead, Like she wouldn't have had So that 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.600 was an inconsistency that she had, like blood running down 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:19.200 the bullet hole. 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.000 Yeah, so there wouldn't be any blood at all. 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.840 I guess if you shoot somebody that's already dead, there's 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.600 no blood. I mean, there's no blood that like spills 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.000 out because you don't have any more blood pressure. 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.800 Interesting. Interesting, So Melinda fills us in. 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.800 Outside of that, she says, the girl was filthy, she 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:44.359 hadn't bathed in weeks, cheap clothes. But the necklace she 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.840 had this like very expensive necklace, an Infinity symbol on 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.200 a chain, which of. 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.960 Course Benson knows. Benson like always knows what's expensive and 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:53.639 what's not. You could not tell me what was an 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.159 expensive neck I mean maybe I could be like this 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.280 looked a little bit claars, but like I cannot tell 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.359 what's nice what's not, you know, But Benson Nos. 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.719 Yeah, she didn't know. And then but this is actually gross. 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.800 So the things on her arms were not burns, they 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:12.640 were cockerroach bites. Okay, so we got an Honie's scoop 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:17.320 midway through Incoming Incoming, Oh, breaking news. I was like, 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.680 what the fuck is the word? So the body won't 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.919 really bleed. It might ooze though, and blood clots and 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.560 thickens after death, so yeah, it would be like a 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.800 thick ooze, not a gushing blood. 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.720 Thank you for that. Yeah, we learned a lot on 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.480 this show. Always fun to talk about oo's. Ooz is 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.479 an underused word, maybe because we don't run into ooze. 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:42.120 I like it. 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:44.639 Ooz reminds me of puss and that's one of my 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:45.760 least favorite words. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.760 I know, because when I had some ear moments you 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.240 didn't like when I mentioned the pus, I. 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.520 Was worried for you. I just didn't really want to 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:55.920 hear the p word it really for some reason. And 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.360 I think because I had infected ears for so long, 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.840 my mom would always be like, oh, it's pussing, and like, no, 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:01.640 I'm triggered. 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:07.840 No, it hurts me too. I Ooze is more fun 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.840 to me. It's slimy. It's ghostbusters. It's like something that crazy. 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:17.040 Or when they say somebody is oozing charm, you know, 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.119 like oh she oozes star power. 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.600 Yeah, but that's not good because if you radiate, that's positive. 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:28.000 If you ooze that meat like, that's that that's slimy. Yeah, 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:32.840 that's a slimy personality. Charm is dangerous. Charm is can 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:37.920 go either way. Charm is not a blanket normal. How 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:39.840 do we know because of our line of work? 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:45.000 Yeah, because of serial killers that are charming well and comedians. 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.240 Oh yeah, Also that true, we're terrible people, but can 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:50.439 charm your little pants off. 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.800 I wonder if there's a comedian that we know who 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:58.080 has murdered. I wonder, hmm, interesting that like hit someone 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.040 with their car and never told anyone that person's dead. Like, 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:04.000 we've got to know a killer. Do you think I've 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.640 never even considered that. Oh this is a new thought. 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.440 I mean, this is you know, once when you talk 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.440 for a year straight, NonStop, constantly, this is what happens. 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:17.919 This is where you get to do we know a murderers? Yeah, thoughts, 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:22.320 we'll put out some uh, some poles. Okay, back to 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:28.160 cockroach bites. So we're at Melinda's and we're going over 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.680 the evidence of the young girl who was found in 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:36.600 the alley shot by an officer perp shootout. But it 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.959 was dead before the shooting. And now we're here. Tucker 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.359 thought this girl had burdens on her arms. It's actually 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:48.000 cockroach bites, which is sickening. And then she keeps going 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.320 like we want to hear more, and she goes, if 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.600 she was dead, the bites wouldn't bubble up, but if 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.000 she was mobile, the cockroaches wouldn't bite her. 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:57.040 That's it. 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:01.360 So yeah, so she was drug or sick or restrained 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:02.680 or something we don't really know. 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.240 So we're back at the precinct. 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.040 We have Kragan wearing suspenders saying this girl was held 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.720 captive or what? Like, how can we explain this non movement? 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:12.879 Oh feeling cockroaches bite? 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.560 I didn't even know cockroaches bite you. I didn't even 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:16.080 know that either. 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.600 I did not, because usually you like, turn a light, 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.240 that's the thing you turn a light on in cockroaches scatter, 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.720 you know, so like they're kind of scared of people. 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:28.920 But if you're sitting there restrained or like, you know, incapacitated, 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:30.280 they're gonna have a buffet. 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.080 It's horrible. I can't believe you just use the word buffet. 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.560 I know, I'm sorry. I can't even really say the word. 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.879 You know. My sister calls seawords, she calls them butterflies. 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:41.960 She cannot talk about them. They're like her biggest fear. 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:43.280 Like she would. 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.440 Literally say, oh my god, on third Avenue, I saw 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:47.439 a butterfly today, and like and it would be like 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:48.440 rootin her fucking day. 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.200 What does she say for butterfly? Barely talks about them. 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.280 Well, if she ever wants, you know, I have a 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.520 giant butterfly in my forearm for what reason? 0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.960 No reason, no reason, Well, no, she like butterflies. 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.480 The fact that like, my biggest tattoo is a butterfly 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.080 is just like, what is happening? 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:07.760 I don't even know. 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:09.560 I think that actually makes a lot of sense in 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.080 like a funny metal way, because you act like your 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.480 tattoos kind of don't have any story, but like, butterflies 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:16.600 are a popular tattoo. 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:18.280 I don't know, there's something that makes sense about it 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:18.520 to me. 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.720 Well, yeah, they're a popular tattoo, but you did it 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:21.919 in a different like I don't know. 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.679 No, the nineties are back. I was regressing. I was. 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:26.840 It was like I I was. 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.239 I remember the day I was in the apartment and 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.840 I was like, I have to set up the printer 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.120 or I'll get a tattoo. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:35.160 And then I did that. 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.960 I arrived, I was like, give me a butterfly, Like whatever, 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:41.240 can we get back to these cockroach bites? 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:43.200 But this is sickening and I hate this so much. 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.320 So then we also figure out that she was dead 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.800 somewhere else then brought over to this area and the blanket. 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:53.800 Obviously we're not new to SVU shows that somebody cared 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.720 for her, which leans towards a female person, like I'm 0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:01.000 thinking about the hair brush piano lesson episode, and women 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.760 usually like take care of their victims or something Jesus, 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.000 And there's ribbons in the hair. Someone did love her. 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.320 Munch and Finn run in like giggling schoolgirls. They're excited, 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.120 they have some they have scoop. It's positive idea on 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.959 the victim. She is a missing girl from Philly. Her 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:20.480 name is Samantha Tassler. She went missing eight months ago. 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.400 The parents come in tonight. I hate seeing the sad parents. 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:24.880 I think it's my least favorite thing. 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.560 They're so sad too. They're so sad. 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.000 So they show the parents all the bags of evidence 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.440 and they're reacting, but they've never seen that necklace. They 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.240 don't know where this necklace has come from. So they 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.280 have to rush over to a different scientist with the 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.600 necklace and he goes, yeah, honestly, I don't know if 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.600 she's a runaway or a street kid, how she had 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.840 this necklace on her. Because this is worth a grand 0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.800 near a grand. He says it's platinum, so and then 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:52.880 he goes but it's not a mainstream like the fact 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.080 that they even say this, it's like, is this real 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.880 or not? These details are what make svus so special. 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.960 So it's not a mainstream necklace because it's coated in rhodium, 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.360 so it has to be handmade. 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:09.400 What jewelry specialists, I guess, I mean yeah, but they're 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.440 saying she would have sold it right, like because it's 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:12.000 worth so much. 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:13.480 So she's probably not a street kid. 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.320 Yeah, or would have been like beat up at a 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:17.840 shelter and it would have been taken. Yeah. 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:22.000 Curly Sue, Yeah, yeah, one of the main reasons people 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.560 don't go to shelters. Yeah, okay, because of Curly Sue. 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:30.520 Because of Curly Sue the movie. Yes, famously, when we 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.560 go live on tour, let's just put on Curly Sue 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:33.360 and see what happens. 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.120 We don't do the podcast. 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.000 I Love Where Today is going like we're at twenty 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:38.760 three minutes and. 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.680 We're fight Oh my god, this is a nightmare. Okay. 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.520 So he they trace it to a little shop in 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.640 the village. The man is obviously gay because it's a 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.880 jewelry store. This is like Florist's. We're not going to 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:52.640 go to any of these places and not see a 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.000 gay man there, so it's Rass Saint Clair played by 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.640 Brian Ready. He's a very books you know actor, but 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.240 he's a Seinfeld person, so I obviously have to have him. 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:05.160 He is the high talker. 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.800 He's Noreene's husband Dan, and Elaine thinks she's talking to 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.560 Nourine on the phone and it's like, ooh, you were 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:12.560 flirting with Jerry. 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.280 And then I love this episode. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.200 It's like a female he has a man with a 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.479 female voice. Basically, that's so funny. 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:19.800 Ross Saint Clair. 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.560 This man's sexuality has nothing to do with the plot, 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:23.960 but his name is Ross Saint Clair. 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.400 They're telling you everything you need to know. I think, yes. 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.120 And he owns a jewelry store. Come on, come on, 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.000 so it's eight hundred dollars. 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.360 It something happened or she was wearing my infinity whoa 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.520 And he goes, yeah, I make these custom for Garrett Lang. 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.560 He's a regular. His assistant came in with a drawing 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.520 and usually I make only my own stuff, but this guy, 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.120 he orders like one hundred of them at a time. 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.000 That's eighty grand. So love that. 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.880 And he handed out the business card fast and I 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:51.280 love that. 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.880 He's not like oh, Warrence, my patience, my this Yeah, yeah, 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:55.600 I don't have. 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.960 A fuck my confidentiality in my jewelry store. 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.240 I just love the He's like, yeah, go fucking talk 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.440 to him. I have I have jewels to make. I'm 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.280 all Saint Clair and I'm busy. So they visit this 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:11.640 wild clinic spiral staircase Marla called Marl Marble Marla Marble 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:15.160 column vibes, and there's a giant ring hanging in the 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.479 middle with an infinity symbol. This is It looks like 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:22.600 a Vegas style ring. Someone should be contortion tricks in it. Anymoment. 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:24.800 Pink is about to go do a show up there. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:26.040 Oh my god, I love it. 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.280 So he uh he says he gives him to all 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.880 his patients, and it's like, what the fuck. Then he 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.480 starts talking about stamina. And this guy kind of looks 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.040 like a poor Man's Ashton Kutcher. 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.320 Absolutely that is the best. I kept thinking. He looks 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:42.040 so familiar. 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.160 Poor Man's Ashton Kutcher is perfect, So I will be 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.800 going back from calling him doctor Garrett Lang Ashton. 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.080 So either of those names throughout this episode will work. 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.360 And he is a serious regular from Queerra's Folk and 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:58.680 that was his big thing. 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:00.800 His name's Gail Harold. 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:04.120 He's been on Desperate Housewives, and I do not trust him. 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:05.800 But you know, it's this thing of like why are 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.320 you handing out expensive things? If you watch Inventing Anna 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.960 with Anna Delvi, she was like tipping with hundreds, very obviously, 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.000 and the hotel worker's boyfriend goes, why does she have 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:17.920 to do that? Rich people don't need to show off, 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.240 like she's trying to prove something. And that's how I 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.160 feel like right away, I'm like, why are you giving 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.440 out these expensive necklaces to people? I don't believe it. 0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.960 He starts talking about injections to sastrun hormones. I think 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.080 he's a quack. I don't know is he doing botox? 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:32.400 I don't know what he does? 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.560 You do? You know he's he's talking about like giving 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.000 you like treatments that can just like enhance your performance, 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.800 like in your life, like make you feel It's fountain 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.000 of youth bullshit, like it's like young, make you feel younger, 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.880 make you feel faster, better at sex, like you know 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.160 everything like that that he's a quack for sure. Death 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:55.720 becomes her? Yes, I wrote, Yes, now a morning go on. 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.480 So he's denying he knows this girl Samantha and says 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.600 he does not treat children. But he goes, you know, 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.040 my patients, say a lot of people ask about these necklaces, 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.319 like this is sad, but I obviously can't give you 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:10.480 a list of my patients. 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:11.279 Obviously not. 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.040 So now we're zooming back to reality from the clinic 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.480 or at the sixteenth Precinct, and Munch is giving us 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.480 a rundown on doctor Ashton. He says, he's so I 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.840 hate saying this, Sam kum laud summa cum laude. What 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.240 does that mean? Second place? You were kind of smart, 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:28.080 but not the smartest. 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.719 It's it's the highest gpa, Like it's the highest, like 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.360 a few people graduate at the top of the class. 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.560 That summa cumlad You can be kum laude, magna cum laude, 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:38.480 summa cum laude. And I'm sure someone's gonna tell me 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.360 I'm pronouncing this wrong, but I think I'm I'm close 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.800 to as Latin is not a spoken language anymore. 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.279 Yeah, and you guys are nerds, so what do we care? 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.520 So he went to Stanford, that's a brand name. Then 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.440 he went to Yale for his MZ and PhD residency 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.080 with a focus on OBG y N and infertility and 0:34:56.160 --> 0:35:01.400 reproductive endocrinologist. Get the fuck away from Craigan makes a 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.960 good point. With all these credentials, he's just working at 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.399 some feel good clinic, Like that doesn't really make sense. 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.320 Why wouldn't he be doing something greater with his knowledge. 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.239 He is in a lot of papers with high society, 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.640 and he believes that hormones can reverse the aging process. 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.759 So Finn pops in with a bird and he's like, 0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.520 sounds like a lunatic fringe of medicine. 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.800 I don't know, I kind of I like what Finn 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:24.400 says anything. 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.560 I loved the post for his birthday and everyone had 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:28.560 all their favorite lines. 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:29.480 That was really special. 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:33.480 You guys really came through, really a nice way to 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.480 celebrate our man. So him and Munch argue about like 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:39.719 what they think is going on, and my Ice is 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.760 like maybe a pedophile, maybe like karas that fountain of youth. Also, 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.840 necklace can't tie him to like you know, the necklace 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.080 can't really tie him to this body. And the autopsy 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.279 is backlogged, so what are we gonna do? Craigan sends 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.319 them to the Morgue to get to like wait there 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:55.680 until the data gets ready. 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:57.360 So what's gonna happen. 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.600 There's so much confusion, So Benson and Stable meet up 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.720 with Melinda again. Trace is a facial tissue and dried 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.960 saliva being tested for DNA. There's a blood clot to 0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:10.120 the left lung due to severe dehydration and liquids deprived 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.920 for five to ten days, so the blood turned to sludge. 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.960 We talked about it with the ooze, so she was 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.319 locked away. But what's fucked up is when you get 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.440 your period, one to two eggs get released, but Samantha 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:28.120 had twelve eggs released at the exact same time, and 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.439 that only happens with IVF and fake shit. And she's 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.719 fourteen years old, so it's impossible for ever have this, 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.000 and she was carrying an eight week old fetus. Shit 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:42.319 is twisted, and the doctor's obviously connected to whatever egg 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.600 shit this is if he's an obgin. So now we're 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.680 at a walk and talk with Alex Cabot. She's of 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.759 course like, not enough evidence, and he goes, come on, 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.440 do it. No, we won't stand in cork. You have 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.640 to find a direct link. So they do this. So 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.640 we got to get financials that's what we can get. 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.480 That's what Alex Cabot can get from her face with 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.839 the judges is some financials. There's not one phone under 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:09.480 his name, suspicious, but everything is under the business. He 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.799 is worth around five million cash and he has real 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:17.520 estate holdings five times that. And one of the buildings 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.600 is a tax to exempt status building, so that, of 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.240 course peques little Stabler's interest. And it's a nonprofit foundation 0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:29.879 for Knowledge Expansion. It's an educational enrichment program for young 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:33.800 women at risk. It's in Chelsea, so obviously we're going honey. 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:38.279 So they're staking outside seeing what's up. But it's not 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.160 usual troubled kid vibes, so they don't get it. And 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.080 then they see a girl and they're both like, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.240 that girl looks so familiar walking into the center. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:46.840 Who is that? 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.040 Oh my god, that's Jessica Morse. She went missing. They 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.840 recognize her from the posters. There were so many posters 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.480 of this missing girl. And it's New York City. Of course, 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.400 Benson and Stabler know about all the missing girls in town, 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.759 so they rush the build. An old lady Batty comes up, 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.520 and this is Barbara Barry. She has one hundred and 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.680 seventeen IMDb credit. It's very exciting. I think a lot 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.120 of our listeners will be happy to know she was 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:15.440 the voice of Hercules's mom in the Disney animated hit Hercules. 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:17.680 That people really like. That one. 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.759 That wasn't a big one to me, But there is 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:23.600 a Hercules Disney stand club on a. Lisa's nodding, so 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:24.440 I'm in it. 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.799 I'm in it. Born in Chicago in nineteen thirty one, 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:28.520 Are you kidding me? 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:33.480 That's that's exciting. And she has tiny, tiny lips, you know, 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.399 she like Miranda Priestley pursing her lips and Devil Wears 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.120 Prada is how this woman's mouth is at all times. 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.040 And that is her I And she's the thumbnail for 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.080 this episode, and you always just kind of like when 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.520 you see this episode on her, you're like, ah, right, 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:47.920 it's this. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:49.560 Yes, She's everything to me. 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.640 Like if one day I am about to win a 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.640 million dollars and they show me her face, I'll know 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:55.600 exactly who it is. 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.120 She has a white hair pixie cut. 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.560 They bust inside the school and she's like, excuse me, 0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:04.439 but they saw a missing girl. They have every right 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:08.000 to run into that Brownstone So we find out this 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.960 woman is a licensed teacher and these are her students. 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:12.360 So there's girls and desks. 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.160 There's a few girls there, and she says she finds 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.440 the girls on the streets. Her name is Paula Haggerty, 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.480 and she gives them a safe place to live, food 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.960 and education. Benson is not having any of it, arrests her, 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.080 dumb ass and says, well, now they're going back home 0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:25.720 to their parents. 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.560 How about that? And when she handcuffs her, guess what. 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:32.720 Paula Haggerty has an infinity symbol tattoo on the inside 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.719 of her arms, so we know that she's connected. An 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.400 old lady doesn't just get an infinity tattoo. It's not 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.160 like that was trendy in the seventies. We know exactly 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.759 when that became popular. Hello, Tiffany's brand jewelry. I think 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:46.960 that's what brought or maybe that's just to me, but 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.759 that's what made the infinity symbol known to me, was Tiffany's. 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.239 Oh really, yeah, you knew about it before. Oh I 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.680 didn't know math Tiffany Infinity. Yeah. I knew about it 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:58.560 for Math and like I've seen people's tattoos of it. 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.120 Actually, no I didn't know about it till those necklaces. Like 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.680 if you want it to be different, you wanted Tiffany's, 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:05.480 but a little different. 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.799 They're bad girl's Tiffany. God, I just want to go 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:12.200 into Tiffany's and treat it like Claire's. Like, wouldn't that 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.359 be so fun? Yeah, you don't even Yeah, I don't. 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.080 I'm not as I'm not as your jewelry focus. You 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.239 know me on, I'm not that jewelry focus. 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:21.640 But I you. 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:25.239 Know you love delicate jewels, you love delicate necklaces, you 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.000 got you like jewelry. 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:29.960 Yeah, I just don't want to put set up high 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.319 expectations and then our listeners meet us and go your 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.320 jewelry games actually just average, you know. I just don't. 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:39.920 I just don't want that to happen. She says, yes, 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.920 I love my tattoo. It's for infinite potential. Stabler runs 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.439 to get the missing girl. Jessica says, long blonde hair. 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.359 She says, I'm not who you think I am. He says, 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.800 your family wants you back. She says, my name is Marjorie, 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.600 it's not Jessica, and this is my family. 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:57.600 Hello, we say brainwash, and this actress is Kimberly J. Brown. 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.080 You might know her as Halloween Town Girl aka A 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:05.600 Quinn's aka the Missing Girl. Hello, this is huge Halloween 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:09.080 Town hit like a crux this year. I saw it everywhere, 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.600 So this is very cool to see her in this 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:16.680 and blonde. We are here and stable in her are 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.040 trying to have a moment, and now we're cutting to 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:22.280 Lady Haggarty and she's an interrogation and she has a lawyer. 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.400 The lawyer is sexy. Oh and this woman, the lawyer 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.120 is played by Laura Herring. 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.839 And she is really famous for this David Lynch movie 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.560 called Mulholland Drive, and that's I think, like her claim 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:36.440 to fame. She's from Mexico. I was like trying to 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:40.839 place her accent, but it's very subtle. She's but that 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.120 movie is very boring and I couldn't get through it. 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:45.160 It was Yeah, I don't know, did you. 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:46.439 Get to the make did you get to the sex 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:47.680 scene with Naomi Once? 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:49.680 I don't think so, Like, I don't know why. 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.320 I don't know if me and David Lynch vibe because 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:56.680 that's twin peaks too, right, Yeah, didn't care boring, fell asleep. 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.720 I just don't care. What else has he done. 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:04.239 He's done blue Velvet twin peaks wild at heart like 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:05.879 he's a lot of Laura durn stuff. 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:07.800 I haven't seen it. Yeah, and this is what I'm learning. 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.840 She's like David, she's his muse. I do love Laura. 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.000 Have you seen the I'm sorry? Have you seen the 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:17.759 the meme of uh me? Of Julia Fox going I 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.439 was I was Brian Softi's muse and uncut Jobs. Yeah, 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:23.760 of course it's my favorite uncut jobs. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:32.440 Okay, so we're all the time continues, so. 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:36.600 We're an interrogation. Benson goes, fuck you. She goes, I 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.160 just tried to help them. Their parents mistreated them, and 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:42.239 Craigan goes, how would you even fucking note that? And 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.640 I guess she studied psychology, which is not a real 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:48.040 major like dumb bitch's major in psychology all the time. 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:48.719 It's not real. 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.359 And as a sociology major, I feel like I could 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:54.200 say that unless you have a PhD, it doesn't matter. 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.640 Or maybe people do learn and retain information from college. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:42:59.720 Maybe I'm the fool. 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:04.719 So Craigan says, she must know that the like that 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.440 teens aren't always right about their parents. Being the worst, 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.520 like you, you know from Street Wise, like some parents 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.680 are kind of fine. And the lawyer like I said, hot, 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.000 hot hot, And we find out that Lang started the 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.840 foundation of knowledge, So okay, we're connecting it. He probably 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.520 like he denied knowing the dead girl, but he is 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.640 part of this foundation. Everyone's wearing this necklace like fuck you, 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:30.680 We're gonna get you. Paula Haggerty doesn't deny seeing Samantha 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:31.840 two right, I don't know. 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.000 Thank you for adding that. Yes, listen, yes, I only 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:34.560 have what I have. 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.080 I've only seen this episode at least fifteen to two 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:43.440 twenty dollars. So and the lawyer, of course, my favorite 0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:45.640 line are what are we doing here? Are you charging? 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:49.520 And they go kidnapping, like you are being charged? Like 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:54.040 you're not gonna walk out of here. There's kidnapping. So 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:58.239 Stabler and law and you know are Halloween Town girl Jessica. 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.160 They're having a conversation and he goes, your parents miss 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:03.719 you this, and she goes, no, no, no, no, I love 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.960 Miss Haggarty and she's crying a little, and Stabler's talking 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.080 about how our family loves and misses her, and she 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.160 is just fully on team Haggarty and needs to be 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:14.360 with Haggarty, belongs with Paula Haggerty. 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:15.719 Why can't you see that? 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.759 I know everyone thinks I was kidnapped, but I ran 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.600 away because my parents didn't understand me. And Haggarty saved 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.920 my life and took me off the streets and feeds 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:28.400 and teaches us. So you know she loves this woman, 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.080 and that Paula taught all the girls that they need 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.440 to respect themselves. And Stabler pulls out the big guns 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.239 and takes out a photo of dead Samantha and goes, 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:38.280 is this one of the girls? 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:39.600 And she says, Noah. 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.719 She fiddles with her necklace and starts playing it with it, 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.040 which is an obvious line moment. 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:44.719 If you start playing with the necklace, you're lying. 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.440 Rule of culture. Can we just rip off another podcast 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:52.680 full segment? Do we have to pay them ten cents 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:56.800 every time we say it is legal? Gonna get involved? 0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.680 So we cut to Craigan looking through the blinds like 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.000 a boy little neighbor, talking to George Kuang and Cabot 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:03.480 and Benson. 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.120 They're all talking like what are we gonna do? 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.120 So one girl's from Denver, one from Chicago, one from 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:11.200 Omaha and one from Detroit. They're all high profile cases 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.360 because they all came from wealthy or upper class families. 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.600 So very street wise. Again, not to mention it, you 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.080 know our past episodes over and over again. 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.200 But we did street Wise. What are you gonna do 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:22.600 about it? 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.680 So b D, with a pertinent question, asks how do 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.840 the girls react to being found? And they go, oh, pissed. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.680 They denied their real names, they deny that they were kidnapped, 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.200 and they just all want to go back to missus. 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:36.640 Haggerty and Cabot asks if this is Stockholm syndrome, but 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.520 B D. Wong says no, this is like full devotion brainwashing. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:43.120 It's kind of different. But they can't hold anybody, so 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:44.720 at the end of the day, they really can't connect 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.920 Lang or Haggarty and the most they could do is 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.080 custodial intervention, which is a misdemeanor. So they don't really 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.879 know what can happen. And Kwang says, listen, I think 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:57.200 this is a cult. And if Samantha got punished, she 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.640 went against the cult guidelines, so something happen. And this 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:04.560 was a re educating which involves locking up, depriving and 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:05.239 stuff like that. 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.640 So and the emmy said that that is how she died. 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.520 So they really need to get all the evidence together 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.040 and really prove this case. So Craigan goes, oh my god, 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.600 So if they're holding more girls other places, like we 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:17.600 only found a few of the necklaces, like, we have 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.719 to find what's happening. So they go back to raid 0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:26.640 the original foundation Brownstone. They find nothing like Homeland style nothing. 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:32.400 Everything is taken out, nothing is left behind. So that 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:36.280 shows innocence to me. I think this is you've obviously 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.280 done nothing wrong. And there's a long commercial break pause 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:43.040 here obviously, and we're back from the commercial and we're 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.040 at work mode. We're trying to crack the case. Benson 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.920 says that three trucks showed up and cleared the place 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:50.240 in less than two hours. 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:51.920 But who told them that? I'm confused. 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.000 None of the girls were allowed near a phone, like 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.040 so it had to be Haggardy or the lawyer. But 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.360 with the lawyer risk losing her license by obstruction of justice, like, 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.560 how did this happen? So Jessica reunites with her parents. 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.800 She's not that happy about it, and everyone at the 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.160 priestcinct is staring and she's just like, okay, I don't 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.000 really like my parents, and Craigan goes, wow, cults, they're wild. 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:17.160 So we cut to a fancy lawyer office and there's 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.239 a lot of wood fake Ashton's there in an eight 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.239 piece suit. We have Haggarty and the sexy lawyer and 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.920 George is with them, and Ashton's like, who are you 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:28.360 and he goes, FBI babe and he loves to say that. 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.520 So they asked who cleaned out the foundation and they go, 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:33.400 how would we know? 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:34.440 We have no idea. 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.840 They're like it had to be one of you, guys, 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.120 So what's going on here? And the lawyer says, very calmly, 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.520 are you accusing me of a crime? And Benson's like, 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.960 well you all you have the same lawyer. This is weird. 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:48.560 You're all weird. Stop denying. 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.359 Stop being meaning leaks at a reunion on Bravo, like, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.640 you know you're acting different, acknowledge it. Something shady is happening, 0:47:55.800 --> 0:48:00.759 like like something's afoot, guys. Ashton says, yes, I did 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:04.080 call Joan as soon as you took you know, Paula away. 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:07.319 We love her and he's like, you're wrong, and Benson says, no, 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.080 you're wrong, and you did in vitro on. Samantha like, 0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.160 what are we wrong about that? And he says, maybe 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.239 another obgu I n could have done that. You know, 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.000 it's not me, and Stabler goes, sure she had your 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.680 necklace and had all these eggs, but that's okay, Like 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.840 shut up, and he says any questions from the FBI 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:30.560 agent Huang Bold Bold Bold Bold, and bde Wong is like, oh, 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.360 you're enjoying this, don't you, doctor Lang, you fucking love this, 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.920 and he responds, no, I enjoy helping girls thrive and 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:38.200 realize their full potential. 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.600 Clearly a psychopath. I don't trust him. Sorry, we have 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:43.839 to close you down. Also like, why don't you care 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:44.760 about helping boys? 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:49.759 Yeah, you know, first time of my life I care 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:50.440 about the boys. 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.400 But I will help the boys. 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:56.239 And of course we have another bingo line with the 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.360 lawyer and she says, if you're not charging us with 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:01.120 a crime, you gotta leave again, but this time it works, 0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.360 so they all have to leave, and George is like, 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:05.920 you know what, that guy is a narcissistic bastard and 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.320 he loves being in charge, and like even the lawyer 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:12.640 defers to him before speaking, So of course teens would 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.319 be impressed with someone like that. He seems like he's 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.759 really smart and accomplished, and teens are super vulnerable and 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.279 then they're like and not that attractive and get bad 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:25.240 grades and social outcasts. And it's like, Okay, that's pretty harsh, Stabler, 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.400 you're just calling all these kidnapped women like unattractive. It 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:30.880 was just a wild moment where he's like, they're ugly, 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.920 they're dumb, they're unpopular, they have nothing to offer society. 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:39.000 They know that they're easy prey, and we're like, okay, Stabler, cool, 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.040 but yeah, you know, there are people who didn't fit 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:44.719 in and now they fit in here and they get 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:48.200 the approval and affection that they've been they've been missing, 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.720 and they get love bombed and they're loyal for life. 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:54.680 It's a teenage girl's dream. You're perfect the way you are. 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.480 I thought it was interesting they talked about love bombing 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:02.279 because I have just been hearing about that now recently. Yeah, 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:05.200 in like dating and stuff, and I had never really 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.440 heard that phrase before. Yeah, this episode is from like 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.560 two thousand and three or four, so it's like. 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:12.520 I don't know, it's always ahead of their time, but 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:15.960 love bombing is very in right now, So soopath is in, 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:20.759 toxic is in a lot of That's what's on Instagram 0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:21.360 at the moment. 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:22.000 It would just. 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.200 Yeah, like with mid with West Elm, there was a 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.359 guy named like west Elm Caleb, this guy who this 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.480 girl her TikTok blew up because she like outed this 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:33.800 guy for being like a serial dater and a jerk 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.439 who would like go on dates with girls like love 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:38.880 bomb them, be like I'm obsessed with you, like everything 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.160 about you is perfect, and then like never call them again. 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.040 And he got blown up. And I think he was 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.080 a furniture designer for West Elm, so he got called 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.279 west Elm Caleb. I saw that, but I refuse to 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:50.200 learn about it. So thank you for filling me in. 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:55.560 I can't not know. That is amazing. Yeah, it's cool. 0:50:55.360 --> 0:51:01.160 That we're becoming more and more attuned to dangerous people 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.440 out in the world that can ruin our lives. 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:07.440 But also we can't overuse it. Yeah, or we can 0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:08.760 and we do. Who cares? 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:12.839 But yeah, if someone becomes obsessed with you, you're not 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.920 that cool, like they're they're using you. 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:19.160 Sorry, is that what we're telling people? I just think 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.160 it's like, you know, trust your gut. 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.480 If you feel like someone's love bombing you and it's 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.960 not authentic and it's not like they haven't known you 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.279 long enough to love bomb you, then something's up that's 0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:29.319 red flag. 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:29.279 You know. 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.200 Yeah, so Stabler goes, there's no way these girls found 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.640 them on accident, Like, there's no fucking way. And Georgia 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:38.799 grees like these girls were targets. How did they find them? 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.160 But instead of going to a new location, we're like 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:44.879 back to the sad grieving parents. So that sucks. Their 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.640 eyes are wet as hell, but they do have good information. 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.640 They're like, wait, you said she was murdered. Now you're 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.399 saying she's homeless. Now this now that like what are 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:52.960 you doing? 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.480 Or like turning the knife and twisting it harder, Like 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.560 she was starved to death and left in an alley. 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:01.560 Why did you have to tell them that? There's no 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:05.800 reason they need to know she was starving and being tortured. 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:08.320 What the fuck? SVU. 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:10.880 But we do need to know her routine to see 0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:15.920 if something clicks, and something does click. She started getting 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.719 bad grades, fell into a bad crowd, so they put 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:23.000 her in a remedial tutoring center. That helped kids realize 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:24.000 their full potential. 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:25.279 Ding ding ding ding ding. 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:28.160 So that is the center for knowledge builders, and they're 0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:32.120 rushing fast to get some information on this place where 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:33.719 maybe the girls are being taken from. 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.719 But the quote is exactly the same. This is this 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:36.360 has to be it. 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:39.360 So they go to a place they show the photo 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:41.360 of Samantha and this woman in a white tank in 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.600 a blazer's like, no, no, no, never seen her before. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:45.440 And the woman asked like, why are you guys here, 0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:47.520 and they're like, well, the girl actually attended this center, 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:49.520 so this is pretty awkward that you have no idea 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.560 who she is. And then Stabler brings up like, also 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.440 a girl that went missing in Philly also went to 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.520 one of these centers in Philly. And this woman goes, 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:00.719 I don't like her insinuation, detective, and I love the 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:02.560 way she said it, and he goes, well, I don't 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.400 like liars, and she goes, well, if you're gonna be 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.080 rude this conversations, oh, I just love everything. But basically 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.279 she has an Infinity symbol tattoo in the inside of 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:16.319 her arm. So she goes, what, we're just trying to 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.920 help kids Reathe wait, I got jams, did I do. 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:21.600 Okay, I've been to that. 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.200 Was the first time I've tried it. 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:27.560 It was good. So she's like, listen, full potential quote. 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:28.240 Is that a crime? 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:30.600 And Benson goes, well, yeah, if doctor Lange paid for it, 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:32.399 then yes, this is fucked up. And she goes, oh 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.680 my god, Garrett Lang, our hearts, our eyes, We love him, 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:40.160 love him. He's a generous, forward thinking man. Whatever. 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:41.839 So she's like, he's an investor. 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.560 They could pause for a little bit, but we got 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:44.360 to go to home base. 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:47.799 We gotta have like you know what I mean. 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.680 Yeah, but this woman has a lawyer and basically all 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:54.759 the girls that went to the center, he pays for 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:58.120 the center. Then Haggarty teaches them. So Koonderski is the 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:01.440 woman at the center, recruits them, he teaches them, and 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.360 Quinton the lawyer, protects and he has all these women 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:07.360 doing his dirty work. So now what can. 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.279 I also just say that every single person in this 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.440 episode like doesn't give a single tell when they look 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:14.359 at these photos of these girls, they're all like no, 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:16.400 Like they all are like no, never seen them, like 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:21.080 perfect deflection, Like none of them are even like no, 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:23.000 you know what I mean, Like everyone's just like never 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:23.399 seen them. 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:27.040 Nope, yes, So like I'm just four people, yeah, Like 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:30.959 I feel desperate to be involved in an investigation to help, 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:32.520 and these people are just like not like I would 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:33.440 take a double glance. 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.879 I'd be like, yeah, did I see her somewhere? You know, Like, yeah, 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:38.240 you're right. It's so fucking quick. 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.520 So then Munch finds out that Kandinsky's credit card statements 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:44.399 put her in the city of each of the other 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:48.000 girl's disappearance three days before they go missing. But still 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.960 there's no smoking gun. They need a smoking gun. All 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.120 the girls have gone home already though, so maybe we 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.720 can get it from Jessica. So they go harass Jessica 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:59.160 at the townhouse. Jessica and Stablers sit outside and behind 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.720 the glass of like a really nice home. Benson's speaking 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.160 to the parents, but they focus on Jessica and Stabler, 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:08.080 who's wearing an amazing corduroy coat that I would love 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:10.839 to have in my collection of outerwear that I don't wear. 0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:11.440 That Hanks there. 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.560 So Stabler's doing creepy, creepy like familiar we're friends like 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:19.840 tricking to get information, but she really misses Paula Haggerty 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.200 and she's like, do you really think she did something wrong? 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:27.480 And he goes, yeah, I do, and she says she 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.680 thinks that Paula is the most wonderful woman alive ever, 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.799 and she thinks Garrett's the best ever. And he's just 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.440 trying to get some sort of information, and finally we 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.439 get some crazy that Garrett Lang is going to save 0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:44.439 the world. The ozone layer is disappearing and the uv 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.400 rays will make everyone sterile, so the only way our 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:51.560 species will survive is by cloning living cells. Jessica is 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.920 pregnant and he chose her to be the one of 0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:57.240 the mothers of the future. So Stabler says, you're carrying 0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:00.600 a cloned baby. She goes, yes, I'm a dumb and 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:03.239 I am. I think there's a cloned baby inside of me. 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:08.120 And she thinks that she is helping a family, a 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.560 couple whose baby has died and she's bringing their child 0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.640 back to life. And he goes, did you guys fuck 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:17.279 and she goes, no, he would never. So he took 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:21.719 baby cells my eggs. YadA YadA, in vitro bada boom 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.400 bata bang. This is what's happening, but like it's made up. 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.560 It's like he took cells and put them in my eggs, 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:31.400 like it just the sciences, like even a fourteen year 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.440 old should be like okay, but like where's the sperm? 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:34.440 Like it's so. 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:38.880 Well, yeah, they just believe that it's clones. Yeah, yeah, 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:39.560 I don't know. 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.239 Yale and Stanford are brand names, like maybe you just 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:44.000 trust people. 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:44.680 True. 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.640 So we cut to from finding out about in vitro 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.360 to breaking down the doors of a clinic boom boom bam, 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.880 and Benson calls it a little shop of horrors, and 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.600 then they like go midway through him doing an experiment 0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:59.920 on a girl who's like legs are in the stirrups, 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.880 and Benson and Stabler hold little masks to their face, 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:06.560 which is cute, and he's like, if my person gets 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:09.200 an infection, and they're like, why would there be an infection? 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:12.040 I have a little mask holding like you're wearing dirty, 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:12.880 dirty cop. 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:16.560 Clothes, like but there's no open wounds. So it's like, 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.120 stop what you're doing. Put the teen girl away. You're like, 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:24.600 teen girls aren't guinea pigs, you psycho. They're in interrogation 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.600 and they are trying to get to the bottom of 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.720 what's going on. But He's like, honestly, I'm just trying 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:32.520 to like help the future of humanity, and you've harmed 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.880 her cause, and Benson goes, what's your cause? Praying on 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.680 the grief of parents who have lost their children and 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:42.800 then promising cloned babies for donations, Like you're a fraud 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.040 and I hope you go to fucking jail and cloning 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.680 is illegal too. Why are you pretending what you're doing 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:50.640 is right? Like you know, it's fucked up. 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:54.120 He then brings up Catholicism and Stabler obviously does not 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:58.240 like that one bit, and he does a classic psychopath move, 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:01.440 which is comparing yourself to g or greater things, so 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.760 he thinks he's like Galileo Darwin vibes. 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:06.760 And this reminded me. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.120 Sorry to talk about New Jersey Housewives again, but I'm 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:13.680 on a big rewatch. But so, Caroline Manzo's son starts 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:16.840 hanging out with Billy Joel and Christie Brinkley's daughter Alexa. 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:18.320 Do you know this? 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:22.360 But Caroline Manzo talks, She goes, yeah, I mean both 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:25.680 of our children come from very you know, privileged homes, 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.400 and it's like, did you just compare yourself to Billy Joel? 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:29.640 And Christie Brinkley. 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:34.200 I love how this reminds you of that this guy 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:39.880 comparing himself to Galileo reminds you of Caroline Manzo comparing 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:41.080 yourself to Billy Joel. 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.520 I mean that is the vibe of this podcast in 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:45.200 a nutshell. 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:49.040 But it was just like you think that you're like, 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:53.080 by owning a catering hole in Jersey and being on 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.120 the Housewives, you're equal to. 0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:57.600 One of the greatest musicians of all time. 0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:01.240 Who's just monthly selling out Madison Square Garden for years 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.920 and like a supermodel of the world. And you're like, 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:06.720 you know, both of our kids know what it's like 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:07.680 to be in the limelight. 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:10.680 Yes, makes sense, makes sense, perfect match. 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:14.600 But yeah, you're not fucking Galileo, you dumb Ashton bitch. 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:19.720 So then the lawyer then is like, what's the charge? 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.800 Like shut up, and Bensi is sexy as fuck, and 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:27.320 stone cold stares her down and goes fraud and aggravated 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.720 sexual abuse, and I love it's like, stop pretending nothing 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.480 is going on, Like there are real charges, you fuckers. 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.960 And he's confident that the charges won't stand in court. 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.480 And Cabot and Craigan have been spying through the glass, 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:42.840 and Cabot says he's right, let him loose. She's so, 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.160 I just hate this, Like I love this show so much. 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.720 Half of her job is going I need more cut 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.880 him loose. That's literally fifty percent of her. 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:54.520 Yeah, Like from now on, I think all the lawyers scenes, 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.000 I'm just gonna go the classic leave me alone. No, 0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.280 I will always just keep talking and never shut up. 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:03.440 But it is like, this is a weird part because like, 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:05.880 if you don't mind me just summarizing this next bit, 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:09.560 she goes, little, teens don't need consent to get pregnant, 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:10.280 and it's true. 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:11.160 It's like we don't want. 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:15.640 To get caught up in like the legalities of oh well, 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:17.880 if you need consent to get pregnant, then you need 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:19.960 consent to get an abortion and all this stuff, Like 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:23.040 we need to leave reproductive rights very fluid, and that's 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:26.400 what this guy is praying on the fact that reproductive 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:29.080 rights with teens is like very open. 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:30.120 It's like legal thing. 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.600 Yeah, absolutely, And it's like, yeah, if teens are allowed 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:37.240 to get pregnant, we can't really dictate how they get pregnant. 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:39.920 Yeah, so thank you for summarizing it. 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:43.360 I just thought that was interesting because it was like 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:46.480 I could see at this point why cabits like can'tently 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:47.160 do much. 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:50.640 Absolutely about Kragan's Like, ahh, this is like Mangola, this 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:53.000 is Nazi shit, Like I'm not for it. 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:56.720 So there are, you know, oun opposite ends of more 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.320 of whatever. They're having a discussion. 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:02.560 Alex Kabot goes, how many more times do I have 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.480 to tell you this? We can only get him if 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:09.280 you connect him to Samantha Tassler's death, like she's probably 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:12.880 at wits end, like what you guys understand, like connect 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:16.200 connect it. So they run, they run some Melinda, and 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.480 Melinda goes, listen, I'm ruling the homicide. The DNA in 1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:23.360 the cheek belongs to Paula Haggarty. Oh no, Melinda is 1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:25.440 in a tight bun, which I think rarely happens too. 1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:28.560 And also Samantha was pregnant, there was a fetus, so 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.440 the and then so thank god they could get the 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:34.560 father's DNA of those fetus. It is not a clone, 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.800 so we will need Lang's DNA to prove that it's 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:40.120 his baby, and it is. So the father of the 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:43.920 baby is little baby Ashton Lang. And so this is 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:48.400 huge so now they cut to Jessica in a high 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:51.600 ponytail with wispy bangs, and she's like, my parents are 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:54.080 trying to make me give up my baby, and she 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:57.720 seems really bummed, and Stable goes, you know why we 1:01:57.760 --> 1:02:00.360 got your baby DNA tested. She goes, yeah, make sure 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:02.800 the baby's okay, and he goes, actually, we're full of tricks. 1:02:02.840 --> 1:02:05.439 We're the NYPD, and we found out who the father 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:07.480 is and it's laying and you've been lied to and 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.320 it's not a cloned baby. It's impossible, and he is 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:13.480 the father of your baby. And she screams no, and 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:16.440 he goes, it's the truth. I'm sorry, but it's true, 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:19.440 and she goes no, and you know they're trying to 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:21.160 get her on their on her, you know, they're trying 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:24.200 to get her to testify. They need Jessica's cooperation at 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:26.880 the end of the day. And she thought she was 1:02:26.920 --> 1:02:29.720 helping a couple and he goes, no, you know, Lang 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:31.680 trick them too, so it's a problem. 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:32.880 There's a lot of tears. 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:36.280 So then she finally spills the beans, the beans that 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:40.439 we've been waiting for. Samantha told Jessica that she knew 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:42.520 doctor Lang was a fake and she was going to 1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:46.360 report him to the police. And so Jessica went and 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:50.120 told Paula Haggerty on her and then no one saw 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:54.360 Samantha again. So she will be living with his guilt 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.800 forever and it is her fault and maybe she should 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:59.120 get some jail fucking time too, because if it was 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:02.680 her lie. So Paula said that Samantha had to be 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:05.360 reasoned with and she took her away and that was that. 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:07.280 So now we cut to court and we have the 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:10.160 sexy lawyer Ashton, an old lady Haggarty in a row 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.800 and Jessica's on the stand describing the empty room with 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:15.400 the bucket they put Samantha in, how she never saw 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:18.520 her again, and how she didn't know that she was 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:21.840 dead until the cops busted in a week ago. Now 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:26.240 the cross examination is rough. You know, obviously the defense 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:28.120 attorney is going to go for her. I really like 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:33.880 Halloween Towns headband in this. So the defense attorney does 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:35.600 her job and goes, there wasn't a lock on the door, 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:38.160 you could have left, and you believed about the cloning, 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:41.120 So you're dumb, So what could we even trust you? 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:42.320 You're someone that believed in. 1:03:42.280 --> 1:03:45.320 Cloning, and she goes, since you did believe in all 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:47.880 this cloning, and you thought this was real, and you 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.440 were mad at Samantha, and you did believe that Samantha 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:54.040 deserved to be punished, so like you thought this would happen. 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:55.520 And she goes, yeah, I didn't think she was gonna 1:03:55.680 --> 1:03:59.280 be killed. Like there's a difference between a little punishment 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:03.840 and full on, disgusting, cockroach bite death. So they keep 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:07.400 grilling her. She's crying, She's giving a performance of a lifetime. 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:11.000 She is very much killing it in her little sweater set. Now, 1:04:11.120 --> 1:04:13.320 Nerd Boy takes the core and talks about how close 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.680 he is to cloning humans. But Cabot brings up Dolly 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:19.200 the Sheep iconic. That's a perfect snatch game. I hope 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:20.959 someone does snatch game is Dolly the Sheep. 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:24.720 I think that would be really good. But Dolly, but 1:04:24.800 --> 1:04:27.560 they talk like Dolly Parton a little bit. Okay, I 1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:29.520 see where you're going. I see where you're going. 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:32.200 All of a sudden, you said Dolly Parton, And I 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:34.800 just got an urge for grilled cheese. That took over 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.440 my life like I was fucking pregnant, Like I just 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.560 bled so I know I'm not, but I want grilled 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:41.240 cheese right now. 1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:44.480 But like birds, a little like bubbly cheese. Why does 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:46.400 Dolly bring you that thought? 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:49.959 I don't know. Life is weird, our brains are okay. 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.439 I thought maybe you saw a picture of Dolly eating 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:53.960 a grilled cheese one time or something. 1:04:54.400 --> 1:04:57.200 No, it's truly psychotic. I'm unhinged. I'm losing it. This 1:04:57.240 --> 1:04:59.920 episode is driving me to the end. I like, cannot 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:01.000 and I cannot. 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:06.320 You only have another page? I can't. You can do it. 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:08.760 There's still eight more sets. Like that's the thing. 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:10.400 You think we're in court and it's done, and it's 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:13.320 not like we're still gonna go back to visiting people 1:05:13.360 --> 1:05:16.480 in jail. I'm just like, I just I'm like, I know, 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:21.280 there's more twists. There's more twists, so you know this 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:23.760 guy's basically the Wizard of Oz. Like you, why are 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:26.680 you promising cloned babies to grieving parents if there are 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:31.240 no cloned babies and you're using your own sperm and 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:33.800 you're taking their money, Like, how do you not see 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:34.840 what you're doing as a crime. 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:36.520 I'm like fucking livid right now. 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:39.920 And he said the girl's consented and It's like, yeah, 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:41.920 they consented, but it's a clone baby is not your 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:45.280 sperm babies, and cab It did Okay, not her best work. 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:47.280 I'm gonna say this was not her greatest you know 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:51.480 cross examination that I've ever seen. The defense redirects and 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:56.160 asks have you ever even stepped foot into that school? No, 1:05:56.600 --> 1:05:58.920 So now they're starting to turn everything on Paula and 1:05:58.920 --> 1:06:01.600 how Paula does everything, and that Lang is never even there. 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:04.840 So they're throwing Paula under the bus, and that's not good. 1:06:05.200 --> 1:06:07.880 So now Cabbot's doing good girl, good girl stuff. They're 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:11.040 back in the jail. Paula's in jail grays, but also 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:15.160 wearing a white turtleneck. I wonder how she negotiated turtleneck wearing. 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:18.600 But Cabot is trying to help her, saying, you need 1:06:18.640 --> 1:06:22.520 a different lawyer. Langham is here, and this is Peter Hermann, 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:25.919 who is obviously Murshiko's husband. Okay, he's like they hate 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.000 him in the beginning because he's a defense attorney, but 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:29.919 he's always there to help and he's kind of their 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:33.040 go to call when anyone needs help with people they 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:36.280 love or within their personal lives. So he's a good guy, 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:38.919 and he's here going, hey, like the squad's trying to help. 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:39.560 I'm trying to help. 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:42.000 We're trying to help you because they're they're you know, 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.440 you're gonna martyr yourself for him. And she says he 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:46.960 gave me something that I lost and eye will never 1:06:47.040 --> 1:06:49.680 turn my back on him, and Cabot knows the scoop 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:52.800 and goes, your daughter named Carrie, so she's a missing 1:06:52.840 --> 1:06:54.400 person from nineteen seventy five. 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:56.400 She ran away and. 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:59.320 Paula never saw her daughter again, and that's why she 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:01.600 wanted to work with teenage girls and give them a home, 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:05.960 and she wanted to help these teens and also like 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:08.840 bring to life dead children like she wanted to do 1:07:08.920 --> 1:07:12.360 it all. And she goes, and those parents should have 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:15.280 treated their daughters better, like fuck them, and Cabba goes, yeah, 1:07:15.280 --> 1:07:17.720 because you were a bad mom, right, and she starts 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:19.760 to cry. It tears well up, and she goes, Carrie 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:22.360 was young when my husband left, and I didn't handle 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:24.000 it well and they fought all the time, and then 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:25.920 one day her daughter was gone with a note that 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:27.520 said I have to leave because I have to go 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:29.880 find a mother. And she puts her hand to her 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:32.000 mouth and she's crying and this is so sad. And 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:34.440 then they bring in a surprise visitor. Not only is 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:37.320 this woman getting turtlenecks, but she's getting tons of visitors. 1:07:37.360 --> 1:07:40.320 Everyone wants to help Paula Haggarty, even though she did 1:07:40.400 --> 1:07:43.640 help kill Samantha. I don't know why we're pretending suddenly 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:48.040 that like we like this woman. But Jessica runs in 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:49.959 and she goes, I love my parents, but I still 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:52.080 love you, and they hug and embrace and I did 1:07:52.120 --> 1:07:53.760 write I love this even though I'm turning my back 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:57.680 on Paula Haggarty. Now Maloney appears, and Maloney goes, he 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:00.320 manipulated your pain, and now you must stop. And these 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:02.800 girls love and trust you, and you're the only one 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:07.040 to stop him. Cool lingo LFG, let's fucking go. If 1:08:07.120 --> 1:08:10.840 you know about urban dictionary, I learned that. And she 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:13.800 touches Jessica face. It's sweet. And now we're back to court. 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:17.200 Haggarty's on the stand and she's talking about how Kondarski 1:08:17.240 --> 1:08:19.559 found the girls at the learning centers and then that's 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:23.160 where the indoctrination would begin, and then they were brought 1:08:23.200 --> 1:08:25.320 like they were basically told to leave and go to 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:28.400 New York on their own to avoid kidnapping charges. But 1:08:28.439 --> 1:08:30.439 Marcy gave them money and a fake idea if they 1:08:30.520 --> 1:08:33.240 needed a plane ride. So but you know, some smart 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:36.639 stuff to avoid kidnapping charges. I'm impressed. And then when 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:39.320 the girls arrived, Paula would act like their mother, a teacher, 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:42.120 a nurse and give them hormone injections. 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:43.599 Not good, not good. 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:46.320 And right now she's wearing a pretty pink turtleneck and 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:49.280 I like it. She's turning looks on the stand, really 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:52.479 making a big statement for turtlenecks. And then she says, listen, 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:55.360 I reasoned with Samantha. I put her in the basement, 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:57.799 which is like how we and doctrine, and was ordered 1:08:57.800 --> 1:09:00.720 by doctor Ashton Lang and to knock her water or 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:04.920 food to reprogram her. And you know, the sixth night 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:07.960 she went in and Haggarty kind of cracked because so 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:11.800 Samantha could wasn't moving, and so she'd wanted to give 1:09:11.840 --> 1:09:13.920 her some water, and doctor Link came in. He would 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:16.599 come in at night, so he's saying he never stepped 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:19.000 foot into the Brownstone, but actually when the girls went 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:21.559 to bed every night, he would come in and do 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:24.040 fucked up shit to her. And when Paula tried to 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:26.040 give her water, doctor Link took it away and said, 1:09:26.080 --> 1:09:29.920 absolutely not. And Samantha died in fucking Paula's arms because 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:31.680 he didn't want to get caught. And it's fucked up 1:09:31.720 --> 1:09:33.320 and she was dirty and that's how and like so 1:09:33.360 --> 1:09:35.080 she tried to wipe her face and fix her hair 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:36.880 and like that is all Paula stuff. 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:38.280 And the acting's insane. 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:43.839 This is like such a professional actress and composed crying 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:48.160 in character, so masterful, and the doctor looks pissed. 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:49.360 Like how dare you betray me? Look? 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:53.200 And then they both carried her to the car to leave, 1:09:53.400 --> 1:09:56.280 and he told her, like go put her somewhere so 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:58.200 it looks like she was homeless, and she did do it. 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:00.320 She made her as comfortable as possible. But she is 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:02.120 part of it. And I hope she serves some jail time. 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:05.519 I hope she doesn't go free, like maybe a reduced sentence, 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:07.160 but like I am not on her side. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:10.040 And then the doctor stands up and says, why are 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:12.600 you doing this? Why are you betraying me? And Petrovsky 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:15.320 of course not happy with it. Judge Petrovsky does not 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:17.840 like it, and she goes an out of order and 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:21.000 then the psychoasis goes the line of the century. 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:23.080 This whole trial is out of order. 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:27.040 And then Benson and Stablers stand watching as everything happens, 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.360 and Benson has the largest collared shirt I've ever seen 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:31.000 in my life, Like, you can go hang gliding with 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:34.840 these collars, jump off the fucking green canyon. They like 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:38.679 giant collars. And you know, he's being pulled away while 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:41.599 talking about the future of science and cloning and future 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:44.559 and that's that, and we're done, and I'm fucking done. 1:10:45.240 --> 1:11:00.000 Here are sponsors. Okay, thank you, Lee's. 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:01.720 I never got to thank you for all the hard 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:04.800 work you did recapping before we went to break. That 1:11:05.080 --> 1:11:08.479 was an intense long episode with a lot of twists, 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:11.479 and you did a great job, sir, baying us through 1:11:11.640 --> 1:11:16.080 all of that nonsense with cloning. Now, this is gonna 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:20.280 be sort of a potpourri of cases because this episode's 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:24.320 listed all over the internet as having several different inspirations 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:28.120 of crimes and people and situations. So I'm gonna just 1:11:28.160 --> 1:11:31.639 do sort of quick recaps of all of them. So 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:35.519 the first one I think that's pretty similar is the 1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:39.519 case of Lisa McPherson now Lisa McPherson was a thirty 1:11:39.560 --> 1:11:42.320 six year old woman who died in nineteen ninety four 1:11:43.040 --> 1:11:47.080 in the care of the Church of Scientology. I am 1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:50.040 nervous to even talk about the Church of Scientology on 1:11:50.200 --> 1:11:54.120 this podcast. I feel like I am obsessed with Scientology. 1:11:54.160 --> 1:11:57.200 I've read the book, I've watched the Leah Remini, I've 1:11:57.200 --> 1:12:00.519 watched the doc on HBO, Like I'm upset. But when 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.439 I talk about it in LA I'm like an old 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:05.960 lady talking about cancer. I'm like, did you know Scientology? 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:08.840 Like I'm very like I can't. I always think someone 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:11.760 behind me in a store is gonna hear me talking 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:14.680 about Scientology and like ruin my chances of ever like 1:12:14.760 --> 1:12:17.840 working in this town again, Like it's it's crazy. I'm 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:20.960 being I'm mostly joking, but they do have, you know, 1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:25.400 very retaliatory ways. Anyway, the case of Lisa McPherson is 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:28.920 a real blight on the history of the Church of Scientology. 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:32.640 Her case is extremely sketchy, as is so much with Scientology. 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:35.439 This is a woman who was allegedly going through some 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:39.280 mental health issues and then she got into a minor 1:12:39.360 --> 1:12:42.200 car accident and right after the car accident, she had 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.920 some erratic behavior, like she started to take her clothes off, 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.519 and they were like, let's bring her in for some 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:50.960 psychiatric testing, like the ambulance people at the scene and everything, 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:54.720 And then she later said that the reason she took 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:56.880 her clothes off was because she wanted to get evaluated 1:12:57.040 --> 1:13:01.040 for psych testing. And then we all know that psychology 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.920 and not psychology, but psychiatry is like a full no 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:07.160 no in scientology. So she was like immediately checked out 1:13:07.200 --> 1:13:11.440 by fellow scientologists and she was taken to Fort Harrison 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:16.479 Hotel also known as flag Land Base, where she was 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:20.960 cared for by members of the church's Flag Service organization 1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:24.240 also called Fso, I don't know, I can't get into 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:26.639 all of the levels of scientology on this, it would 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:30.479 take forever. So according to scientology, she was brought to 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:33.640 Fort Harrison Hotel for quote unquote rest and relaxation, but 1:13:33.720 --> 1:13:36.959 others claimed that she was brought there for an introspection rundown, 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:40.080 which I think is like their versions of like psychiatric 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:40.960 testing where they go. 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:45.360 So she tried to get a psychiatric exam, and somehow 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:48.040 the scientologists found out she was being held and went 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:49.439 and grabbed her and took her out. 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:51.639 Yeah, And when they took her out, she was like, yeah, yeah, 1:13:51.640 --> 1:13:53.240 I don't want that. I don't want any psychiatry, like 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:55.280 I think. Once she was confronted with members of the church, 1:13:55.320 --> 1:13:57.599 she was like, I don't want this and left of 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:04.439 her own accord. So she was at this hotel under 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:06.439 and this is in Clearwater, Florida, which is like a 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:08.160 huge Scientology. 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:10.640 It's like their their main base, and LA is the 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:11.120 main base. 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:14.439 No. LA is like big for the associate for the 1:14:14.479 --> 1:14:16.880 celebrity center, and like a big recruiting center and where 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:18.880 they do all of their like propaganda, like they have 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:22.600 movie studios here. But Clearwater, Florida has always been like 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:24.080 where the main shit is. 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:25.880 I didn't know that. 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:30.000 Yeah, because this castle, this Lavender Castle, is huge. Oh, 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:31.160 I mean it's the place to be. 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:35.680 They have like our land barons the Church of Scientology, 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:38.360 like they have so much property, and in Los Angeles 1:14:38.400 --> 1:14:41.320 they have like expensive ass property. Like I mean, we 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:43.640 could do a whole nother fucking episode on Scientology, but 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:49.600 maybe for a future Patreon that doesn't exist. So according 1:14:49.720 --> 1:14:54.519 to uh the Scientologist, she was under twenty four to seven. 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:57.320 Watch her status was logged. There were all these care 1:14:57.400 --> 1:14:59.840 logs for her, and they say that she was inc 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:03.120 parent and sometimes violent, that her nails, they cut her 1:15:03.160 --> 1:15:05.639 nails so that she would scratch herself, that she had 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:08.479 bruised fists and feet while she was hitting a wall. 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:13.000 One church person said that she looked like she had measles, 1:15:13.040 --> 1:15:14.960 Like she looked like she had measles or chicken pox 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:17.240 on her face. So this woman was not well and 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:19.559 should not have been being cared for by like a 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:23.960 religious organization. She refused food. It's a little bit different 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:26.880 from this story of Samantha. Obviously, Samantha is refusing food, 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:30.479 but it's she is refusing food according to them, though 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:33.519 who knows, maybe that's not what's happening. They said she 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:36.519 was refusing protein shakes and that they would attempt to 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:38.760 force feed her but she would spit it out. And 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:42.080 it was noted that she was very weak and not 1:15:42.240 --> 1:15:45.120 standing up or some days moving at all. So this 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:48.200 is like similar to what's happening to Samantha. And what 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:51.120 I read was that some scientologists who questioned this were 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:52.080 basically told. 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:53.360 To like mind their own fucking business. 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:58.639 Obviously, so when they saw that she was doing really badly. 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:02.760 This scientilicology doctor named Minkoff was called and he insisted 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:06.559 that he see McPherson, even though he was forty five 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:11.439 minutes away from Clearwater. So they start taking her to 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:16.479 Minkoff's hospital, and Janis Johnson, who was a medical officer 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:19.160 at the Fort Harrison Hotel who was assigned to McPherson, 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:23.680 she said that the whole ride, Lisa is gasping and 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:27.280 having labored breathing, and they passed four fucking hospitals on 1:16:27.360 --> 1:16:29.880 the way to this other guy's hospital. But they had 1:16:29.880 --> 1:16:32.639 to go to the Scientology hospital and when they got there, 1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:35.599 she had no vital signs. She was essentially dead when 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:39.040 they got to his hospital, so they attempted to resuscitate 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:41.800 her for twenty minutes and then they declared her dead. So, 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.040 with a similar situation to what happened in the episode, 1:16:46.080 --> 1:16:49.200 she had basically gone five to ten days without fluid, 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:52.400 She was underweight, and she had cockroach bites all over 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:55.639 her body and was comatose for twenty four to forty 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:59.559 eight hours before she died, is what reports later said. 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:03.320 The first Corners report listed her cause of death as undetermined, 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:05.800 but the church told her family she had died of 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:09.559 menenjoitus in a blood clot then Lisa, you'll you'll love 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:14.400 slash hate this Scientology brought in their own pathologists, including 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:18.759 doctor Michael Baden, and he concluded that she had died 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:21.599 suddenly and unpredictably of a blood clot in her left 1:17:21.680 --> 1:17:24.639 lung that had originated from a knee bruise she suffered 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:27.439 in a minor car accident seventeen days earlier. 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:28.880 I don't buy it. 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:31.719 I have a giant bruise on my knee right now, 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:33.120 so this is stressing me out. 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:36.920 Listen, are you moving? Are you sitting up right now? 1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:40.720 If you have a bruise and you stay sedentary, I 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:43.480 think that can become a clot or or an embolism 1:17:43.520 --> 1:17:45.080 that moves up into your body and hurts you. 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:47.479 Sorry to make it, no, it's okay. 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:49.840 The problem was this woman was like Samantha. She was 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.599 either tied down or so weak that she couldn't move. 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:56.720 It also makes me feel better that not actually than 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:59.640 not at all. But the fact that it had the 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.400 cocker thing happened and they took it from this case 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:05.479 is better to me than the people are so unhinged 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:07.800 that the writing came up with it, like to come 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:12.960 up with seditary cockroach bites fictionally is more fucked up 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:14.639 than taking it from real life, even though I wish 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:16.559 it never happened or has been utter you. 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:18.360 Know, urse I know, but I hear what you're saying. 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:22.000 So then then essentially there was a second coroner's report 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:24.320 that went along with all this. Like I like to 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:26.920 think doctor Michael Batten is like unimpeachable, but I just 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:29.439 think scientology has so much power and so much money, 1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:34.720 Like how could this woman's like condition not be How 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:37.040 could it just be this embolism and not related to 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:39.439 the fact that she wasn't drinking or eating. I guess 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:42.040 it's possible she refused all that stuff herself. 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:44.160 But she also wasn't she was just trying to go 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:46.200 to the psychiatrist. She wasn't trying to go against the 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:48.360 church or was that such a big. 1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:51.120 You're really not allowed to do that. But she was 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:54.640 having a mental health episode, so I'm sure she just 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:56.840 wanted like some kind of help, and the Church of 1:18:56.880 --> 1:18:58.720 Scientology is like, we know how to get we know 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:01.000 how to do this, and they think that they were 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:04.799 giving her like introspection rundowns and probably trying to make her, 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:07.720 you know, just like talk it out, but like there 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.599 comes to a point where talk therapy is obviously not enough. 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:14.080 So that is I think who A lot of the 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:18.639 Samantha Tassler was based on doctor Garrett Lang or doctor 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:21.200 Ashton Lang as we've been calling him in this episode, 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:25.519 Baby Ashton. He is based on a couple of different things, 1:19:25.560 --> 1:19:32.799 we think. So the Rillyan cult is a it's wild. 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:39.040 It's called an international UFO religion. So it's founded by 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:44.040 a guy who calls himself Ryel whose name is Claude Vorilhan, 1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:47.000 and he's a i think a Frenchman, the founder and 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:53.320 current leader of the Rileyan movement. So the dogma behind 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:56.639 the Rileyan movement, or the Raellian cult as it's called, 1:19:56.960 --> 1:20:00.599 is that there is no God, only Eloheim and Elohim, 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:03.479 which sounds like a Hebrew word to me, is a 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:08.280 group of extraterrestrial scientists who intelligently designed the human race. 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:11.559 So they think there's all these old aliens in the 1:20:11.600 --> 1:20:15.439 sky that made us, made the earth, and the human race. 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:15.720 How we are. 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:21.519 The Rillyan human cloning organization is called Clone AID and 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:24.519 in two thousand and two, ry Alliens I'm saying I'm 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:29.880 probably saying it wrong. Ryellians Rallians is gonna come after us. Yeah, 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:31.439 I know, I say something. 1:20:31.680 --> 1:20:34.040 I was reading it all I was reading on the internet. 1:20:34.120 --> 1:20:37.479 They had between fifty thousand and one hundred thousand followers worldwide. 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:40.000 We're not huge, but we could have a Rillian listener. 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:40.559 We'll see. 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:43.040 And this is honestly, I have the biggest smile on 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:45.320 my face. This is the funniest thing we've ever covered. Like, 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:47.840 I do love this UFO cult a lot. I hope 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:49.800 they I mean, maybe they do bad things. I mean, 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:51.800 I don't know, but I love the idea of them. 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:52.759 Well. 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:56.040 He In two thousand and two, the Rye Alliens claimed 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:58.519 that they had cloned the first human baby named eve. 1:20:59.320 --> 1:20:59.439 Uh. 1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:03.759 That caused it international media stir. Obviously it was not real. 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:08.880 Ryle believes that humanity is slowly transitioning into a society 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:11.280 where humans will not need to work or have jobs. 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.080 Because of that, Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe you would 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:14.280 like that. 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:17.920 Actually, he wrote a book in two thousand and one 1:21:17.960 --> 1:21:20.920 called Yes to Human Cloning. He thought that we could 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:24.800 do like human genetic engineering to avoid and like get 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:29.120 rid of genetically inherited diseases, which I'm sure people are 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:33.000 researching constantly, but there aren't like aliens in the sky 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:34.960 that are going to help you with doing that, and so. 1:21:36.040 --> 1:21:37.720 No matter how hard we wish there were. 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:44.840 Yeah, And apparently in general, Rileyanism is widely mocked and 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:47.679 thought to be pretty looney tunes, like on the internet 1:21:47.720 --> 1:21:50.000 and across the board like where people are even like 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:52.680 religious scholars were like okay, like I mean it's a 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:55.400 UFO religion, like so a little. 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:58.040 Yeah, but how is scientology any more grounded in anything 1:21:58.080 --> 1:21:59.400 real than us? 1:21:59.600 --> 1:22:02.400 You know, scientology has a lot of the same. I 1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:04.880 mean when I make fun of Scientology to my husband, 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:07.240 he goes, yeah, but how is that different from Judaism 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:09.839 or Christianity or a lot of religions. And I'm like, well, 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:15.000 my problem with scientology is how they take all of 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:18.360 your money and they excommunicate you from your family, Like 1:22:18.400 --> 1:22:20.720 how you just have to like ditch your family if 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:23.200 they like you can be Catholic and be married to 1:22:23.240 --> 1:22:25.000 a Jew, you know what I mean, Like, no religion 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:29.200 cares about that really, like Scientology cares deeply. I mean, 1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:31.439 I know Jews preferre Jews marry other Jews, but you 1:22:31.439 --> 1:22:36.360 know here, I am married to a Pentecostal. Anyway, the 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:40.920 second man that little Ashton baby is related to is 1:22:41.360 --> 1:22:45.679 or is inspired by, is this former doctor named Cecil 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:49.040 Jacobson who was a fertility doctor who used his own 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:53.519 sperm to impregnate patients without informing them. A wild thing 1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:55.479 about him is that he was credited with being one 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:58.720 of the first doctors in the United States to introduce amniocentisis, 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:01.320 which is like currently used. I think I had an 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:04.960 amnio on that my last baby. That's the test where 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:08.439 you know, the baby is in a sac surrounded with fluid, 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:11.760 and the amniocentesis kind of just like pulls some of 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:14.240 that fluid out to just test it for birth defects. 1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:16.920 It's controversial. A lot of people don't do it. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:18.400 I did not do it for rosy because I was 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:21.519 told I didn't really need to because it can cause 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:24.160 a miscarriage or a problem with the baby. So not 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:27.880 everybody does amniocentesis, and I totally get that, but it's 1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:31.880 a way to test for specific diseases. What this guy 1:23:31.920 --> 1:23:35.800 would do is he would inject patients with hCG, which 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:44.280 is human choreyonic gonadoptrepin gonad otrepin Okay, before and after. 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:45.560 He would do it before. 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:50.000 They conceived, and then this is basically the hormone that 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:52.400 is common in pregnancy. This is what a pregnancy test 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:55.519 is testing for, and it's also used in fertility treatments 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:59.639 as well. So the pregnancies would progress normally and then 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:02.479 they would take pregnancy tests and be positive, and the 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:06.160 patient's bodies would begin to feel changes, and then he'd 1:24:06.200 --> 1:24:08.519 perform an ultrasound and he'd be like, oh, here's the 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:11.080 fetus in this grainy image. And then around the third 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:13.280 month he would tell them, oh, your fetus has died. 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:17.160 And these patients were never really pregnant. Their body was 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:20.599 changing in reaction to the hCG he was giving them. 1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:23.679 And of course the positive pregnancy tests were positive because 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:25.840 those tests are looking for hCG and that's what he's 1:24:25.880 --> 1:24:30.640 injecting them with. So in nineteen eighty nine, some suspicious 1:24:30.720 --> 1:24:35.240 former patients told a local television station about this guy 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:38.000 and they started investigating him, and then he got sued 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:40.760 by multiple patients. And then during the core and this 1:24:40.880 --> 1:24:43.120 was for the whole, This was for the whole, like 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:47.840 sort of fake pregnancy scam, not even for his own sperm. 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.960 Yet it was in that investigation that that came to light. 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:54.519 They noticed that some patients had been arranged to be 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:58.800 artificially inseminated with donor sperm, and it was all anonymous. 1:24:58.800 --> 1:25:02.320 Only Jacobson would know who these people were, these donors, 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:07.439 and like to preserve their anonymity, he said. And then 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:10.679 the investigation found that there was no donor program. 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:11.920 It did not exist. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:15.200 And some of Jacobson's patients who had been conceived through 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:19.880 donor insemination agreed to have their you know, genes tested 1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:22.960 and their babies tested, and at least seven instances they 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:26.679 found where Jacobsen was the father of the children, including 1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:29.360 one patient who was supposed to have been inseminated with 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:32.400 her husband sperm. She wasn't there to get donor sperm, 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:33.960 she was there to get her husband's sperm. 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:35.200 So fucked up. 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:39.479 So more DNA tests linked him to at least fifteen children, 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:42.080 and it has been suspected that he fathered as many 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.040 as seventy five children with his own sperm. 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:47.799 So I don't understand how So some of the parents 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:50.880 were lied to with grainy images and hormone therapy and 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:53.519 it was like, haha, we took your money, and then 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:56.200 some of the people fully were given his sperm and habit. 1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:58.960 I think maybe that's how it progressed, Like maybe he 1:25:59.120 --> 1:26:01.280 started out the first and then he started being like, wow, 1:26:01.320 --> 1:26:05.400 these people really like when you when he gives his 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:07.680 side of it, he thinks he did nothing wrong. He 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.479 was like, they wanted babies, they were having trouble. I 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.400 gave them babies. When you ask him about what happened 1:26:13.400 --> 1:26:15.800 with these fake pregnancy things, He's like, no, I thought 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:19.160 they were pregnant. It's like, you know how the science works, 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:22.760 like you can see on a on a ultrasound if 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.240 that's a fetus. And they later said that the fetuses 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:30.240 that he would show were fecal matter or other organs. 1:26:30.520 --> 1:26:32.439 Like he'd be like, there it is. And I'll tell 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:35.040 you something. I've seen two of my babies up on 1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:37.880 those screens. I cannot see shit. Like people go, there's 1:26:37.880 --> 1:26:40.200 the arm, do you see the spine? I go, nope, 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.080 I don't see any of it. Like my eyes cannot 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.519 adjust to those fucking images. I like could not until 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.360 the baby's like eight months old and it's like, okay, 1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:50.000 there's the head whatever. I could not see any of 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.120 those little swirls of a baby, so I could see 1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:54.759 why people would be like, oh, yep, that's our little angel, 1:26:54.840 --> 1:26:58.480 and it's just not it's a swirl on a ultrasound, 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:03.160 so pretty fucked up. A federal jury convicted him on 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:07.600 fifty two counts of fraud and perjury for artificially inseminating 1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:10.640 patients without their knowledge and for telling them they were 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:13.200 pregnant when they were not. And when I read an 1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:16.400 article from when he was found guilty but not sentenced, 1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:19.080 they said he could be sentenced up to two hundred 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:21.120 and eighty years in prison and find up to five 1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:22.280 hundred thousand dollars. 1:27:22.560 --> 1:27:26.920 But of course he got five years. That's the end 1:27:26.960 --> 1:27:27.160 of that. 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:30.760 This guy got five years, and I think that's pretty nuts. 1:27:30.800 --> 1:27:32.720 And he of course moved to Utah after that, and 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:35.360 he lost his medical license, so he's obviously not practicing 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:38.880 medicine any longer and is probably on a do not 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:40.200 practice list in every state. 1:27:40.640 --> 1:27:42.440 I wonder what he's doing in Utah. 1:27:43.200 --> 1:27:46.400 I heard he was doing agricultural research or something like that. 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:48.880 There was something that I read about that, but it 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:50.080 was not related to. 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:52.960 But I wonder if someone like that becomes like the 1:27:53.040 --> 1:27:56.360 John Stamos character and becomes a reproductive abuser in their 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:58.560 personal life when they can't do it professionally. 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:00.479 He had eight I think he had eight children with 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:01.360 his actual wife. 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:01.920 Yeah. 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:04.639 I bet he's still doing some illegal, nefarious shit. 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:06.559 Yeah. 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.759 The final case that I was going to talk about today, 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:10.960 So a lot of what I found on the internet 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:13.640 said that this episode was linked to the kidnapping of 1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:15.680 Elizabeth Smart. And I do get the timing of that, 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.160 because she was found in two thousand and three. That's 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:20.440 when this episode came out. Like that's undeniable. 1:28:20.720 --> 1:28:21.519 It seems to. 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:26.200 Me that the only similarity was just them finding Jessica 1:28:26.240 --> 1:28:28.800 and being like, wait, we know her, She's that missing girl. 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:33.040 That kind of seems like the only similarity because it's 1:28:33.080 --> 1:28:35.600 really they're really not that linked otherwise. But I'm going 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:37.519 to just tell you about Elizabeth Smart anyway, just because 1:28:37.520 --> 1:28:40.280 it's interesting and there are no other s few episodes 1:28:40.280 --> 1:28:41.400 based on Elizabeth Smart. 1:28:41.439 --> 1:28:44.280 So I'm going to talk about this real quick with 1:28:44.320 --> 1:28:44.960 you now. 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:48.439 Jam packed episode for find Out for our little stories, 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:50.080 but I'm trying to keep them short so it's not 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:53.519 like too crazy, and the honestly, the Elizabeth Smart case, 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:58.200 I think was so publicized because she was this like beautiful, 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:01.840 blonde haired, blue eyed girl that went missing, but it 1:29:01.960 --> 1:29:07.160 wasn't like there's just not as much information. It's pretty 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:10.559 cut and dry, is all I'm saying. So essentially, Elizabeth 1:29:10.560 --> 1:29:13.400 Smart was fourteen years old when she was sleeping in 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:15.400 bed in a room she shared with her little sister. 1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:18.400 She was kidnapped at knife point. This is in Salt 1:29:18.439 --> 1:29:20.920 Lake City and this was in June of two thousand 1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:25.439 and two. So her kidnapper was Brian David Mitchell and 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:29.240 his wife Wanda Barzie, and they held Elizabeth for nine months. 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:32.160 I think in on my mind she was being she 1:29:32.240 --> 1:29:34.160 was held for years, but she was I think I'm 1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:36.799 thinking of J. C. Duggart who was held for eighteen years. 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:39.919 This girl was held for nine months. Jac is eighteen 1:29:40.000 --> 1:29:43.759 years eighteen. She was taken when she was like eleven, 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:46.639 and I believe she was found when she was like thirty. 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:49.080 Oh my god, yeah something like that. 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:51.240 Yeah. 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:56.320 So yeah, he went into her room, he took her 1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:59.519 at knife point. The sister did wake up, but pretended 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:02.559 to be a s and then the sister tried to 1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:04.680 actually come out and tell the parents, but when she 1:30:04.800 --> 1:30:07.759 opened the door, she saw the kidnapper and her sister 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:09.439 in the hallway. So she went back into her bed 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:12.400 for like two hours terrified, and then finally went out 1:30:12.439 --> 1:30:15.880 and told her parents what happened. Brian David Mitchell, the 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:19.280 guy who kidnapped her, also went by Emmanuel because obviously 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:23.040 he's a religious nut and he claimed to be a 1:30:23.040 --> 1:30:26.280 religious preacher. And he held Elizabeth at a camp in 1:30:26.320 --> 1:30:29.599 the woods with his wife, where he repeatedly raped her, 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:32.720 starved her, forced her to drink alcohol and watch pornography, 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:35.559 and basically as soon as she got there, he quote 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:38.880 unquote married her in a ceremony performed by his wife. 1:30:39.400 --> 1:30:45.280 So she recognized Mitchell as Emmanuel because he was a 1:30:45.320 --> 1:30:48.559 panhandler her mother had given money to and had offered 1:30:48.600 --> 1:30:51.160 him to come to their house and work on their roof. 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:52.439 Help work on their roof. 1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:57.479 So an act of kindness from Elizabeth Smart's mother turned 1:30:57.479 --> 1:31:01.160 into this nightmare where her daughter was kidnapped by this man. 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:04.640 During her captivity, she was forced to take on a 1:31:04.680 --> 1:31:07.639 new name, and she chose Esther from the Old Testament, 1:31:08.800 --> 1:31:11.800 my grandmother's name, and also we know Book of esther 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:19.439 very religious name. She would accompany Mitchell and Barzi in 1:31:19.520 --> 1:31:22.360 public on various occasions, and she would be head to 1:31:22.360 --> 1:31:24.439 toe in white robes. Like there are photos that came 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:27.400 out later where she went unrecognized because she was wearing 1:31:27.439 --> 1:31:30.320 a veil. She was wearing full garb, like, no one 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:34.920 recognized her. About six weeks after her abduction. I never 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:38.839 knew about this. Mitchell and Barzie actually tried to kidnap 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:43.280 Elizabeth's cousin to make her an additional bride, and they 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:47.040 didn't succeed, but the family did find a cutout screen. 1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:49.200 How did they know about the cousin? 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:52.000 He knew he must have known this family because he 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:53.760 was there for a few months working on their roof, 1:31:54.160 --> 1:31:56.640 So he probably saw Elizabeth one time, then saw the 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:59.360 other another girl who was like around the same age. 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:01.879 And he's looking for brides. He's looking for young brides, 1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:06.080 you know, but not so I don't know, sir, it's weird. Yeah, 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:08.479 well the sister was only like nine, maybe, like you 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:10.519 know what I mean, maybe that was too young for him, 1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:12.400 Like maybe he wanted them to have his babies. And 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:14.559 if you're not menstruating yet, like I don't know, you know, 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:17.760 like I really don't know, but he wanted this specific 1:32:17.840 --> 1:32:21.639 age bride, and I think, yeah, I think Elizabeth had 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:26.639 other siblings, but he went after her specifically. So there 1:32:26.720 --> 1:32:29.040 was one week in her captivity where Mitchell went to 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:32.559 jail and her and Elizabeth Smart and Barzie just went 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:35.519 a week without food and we're like, like so weak 1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:38.120 they could barely walk to the bucket that they used 1:32:38.160 --> 1:32:41.400 like as a toilet. So things were not good out 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:45.920 in the woods. Then three months after her abduction, the 1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:50.240 little sister suddenly remembers the roofer who had worked on 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:53.240 their house and is like, that's the voice I heard, 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:55.240 Like when she heard the voice in the bedroom, she 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:57.760 knew it was familiar, but she couldn't place it. So 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:00.960 three months later she has this memory and remembers the 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:05.280 roofer and you know obviously tells the parents and tells 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:08.400 the family, the Smart family, and they go to the police, 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:11.479 and the Smart family had to fight with the police 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:14.040 to release the sketch of Emmanuel, and the police like 1:33:14.120 --> 1:33:16.600 tried to downplay like the sketch, like, oh, it's not 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:19.679 going to find him. Whatever, it found him, Like the 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:23.920 family knew Mitchell's step son saw the sketch of him 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:28.240 on America's Most Wanted and identified him, So then now 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:29.280 they're looking for him. 1:33:29.320 --> 1:33:30.639 So now they're trying to find him. 1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:33.960 Meanwhile, Mitchell has maybe trying to move the family the 1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:37.320 quote the family to another city like New York or Boston. 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:43.320 But Elizabeth smart like very smartly revealed like, oh, she goes, 1:33:43.479 --> 1:33:45.160 I think God wants us to go back to Salt 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:47.680 Lake City because at this point he kept her for 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:51.000 a long time basically twenty miles from her family's house, 1:33:51.000 --> 1:33:53.839 which is so nuts, like so close in the woods. 1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:56.080 And then they moved to San Diego and they were 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:59.120 there for a little while, and then Elizabeth somehow convinced 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:01.080 him to go back to Salt City, which is great 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:03.120 because probably more people know who she is out there, 1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:07.120 like can identify, you know. So he agrees with her, Yes, 1:34:07.200 --> 1:34:10.600 God probably does want that, and they hitchhike back to Utah. 1:34:10.960 --> 1:34:16.720 Then in March of two thousand and three, she and 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:20.920 her captors are walking the streets of Sandy, Utah, which 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:23.519 is just a few miles from Salt Lake City, and 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:27.240 somebody recognizes that her and calls the police, and at 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:29.960 first she's like, no, no, maybe that's a little bit 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:35.000 too The what the episode is connected by because these 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:38.599 girls are not there. She kind of Jessica sort of 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:41.000 denied her identity and then pretty quickly was like, I 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:41.519 don't want to. 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:41.960 Go home, you know. 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:46.240 But Elizabeth Smart wasn't positive that this whole ordeal was over. 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:48.800 You know, she's so traumatized, like she doesn't know, so 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:52.240 she's like probably telling them her fake name and all 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:54.840 this stuff, and so I think her name was Augustine 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:56.559 was another name that they gave her when they were 1:34:56.560 --> 1:34:58.680 in public, so I think she was reverting to that 1:34:59.160 --> 1:35:03.280 and then eventually taken to the police station, joyfully reunited 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:05.720 with her family, and it's a happy ending, I mean 1:35:05.840 --> 1:35:08.240 to a point. She gets she's not dead, which I 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:11.960 think is after most with the statistics about most abductions, 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:16.320 is a good, good ending. Wanda Barzie, the wife, was 1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:20.200 sentenced to fifteen years in federal prison, which I don't 1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:23.280 know if that's enough for her role in the kidnapping, 1:35:23.320 --> 1:35:25.559 because Elizabeth Smart says that she's one of the most 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:27.920 evil women she's ever met in her life, so she 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:29.960 I don't know that she was just like a brainwashed 1:35:30.080 --> 1:35:31.639 like I'm just doing what my. 1:35:31.640 --> 1:35:32.479 Master tells me. 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:35.920 But she got early released and was released in twenty 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:42.679 eighteen and then with Mitchell getting his prison sentence and conviction, 1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:45.280 it was difficult because there was a lot of back 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:47.720 and forth about his fitness to stand trial, whether he 1:35:47.800 --> 1:35:49.639 was going to be ruled confident or you know, we've 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:53.840 talked about this in previous episodes. So Mitchell was diagnosed 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:58.080 by forensic psychologist as having antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder, 1:35:58.960 --> 1:36:02.960 and the dispute over his confidence lasted eight years, and 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.000 then in twenty ten because she was found in two 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:08.920 thousand and three. In twenty ten, finally he was deemed 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:11.759 mentally capable and he was sentenced to life in prison 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:14.080 without the possibility of parole in twenty eleven. 1:36:14.800 --> 1:36:17.519 And you know what's crazy is right after she. 1:36:18.240 --> 1:36:21.720 Was found, not right after, but you know, within a 1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:25.240 couple of years, she did her first interview with Katie Couric. 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.960 I cannot find it anywhere. There's a transcript of it, 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:31.040 but there's no video, Like I can't find the video. 1:36:31.040 --> 1:36:32.599 I don't know if NBC took it down or what, 1:36:32.720 --> 1:36:34.639 but like I could not find the video of the interview, 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:37.639 and apparently it was a kind of a softball interview, 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:39.439 like how are you what are you looking forward? To 1:36:39.479 --> 1:36:41.439 doing again now that you're back, Like she did not 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:44.360 get into the nitty gritty of what happened to her 1:36:44.400 --> 1:36:48.400 while she was in captivity. And then actually Nancy Grace 1:36:48.439 --> 1:36:51.240 had her on to talk about Adam's Law, which is 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:53.439 Adam Walsh, you know, the son of the guy who 1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:56.640 does America's Most Wanted who was killed. There was a 1:36:56.720 --> 1:36:59.720 law that I think I think George w Yeah, George w. 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:02.559 Bush was signing in that she was went on Nancy 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:05.320 Grace to support the law and talk about it, and 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:07.360 she had asked for privacy. She said she didn't want 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:09.120 to talk about anything, and Nancy Grace still asked her 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:12.360 questions because Nancy Grace is that bitch, and just asked 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:14.040 her all this stuff and she just had to go, 1:37:14.439 --> 1:37:17.160 you know, I'm actually not here to talk about what 1:37:17.160 --> 1:37:19.040 happened to me. I'm here to support the bill and 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:19.760 blah blah blah. 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:22.439 And you know, she shut down Nancy Grace in that interview, 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:24.680 I would say three to four times, and Nancy was 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:27.080 relentless and would not stop, Like, I don't understand how 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:30.479 you're this disrespectful of a young woman that like escaped 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:33.479 such terror because it was her just being like I've 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:34.519 told you to stop. 1:37:35.040 --> 1:37:37.880 Like she finally had to be like, what are you doing? 1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:41.400 Yeah, I don't want to talk about what happened because 1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:43.680 they were like you were just walking on the oh. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:47.599 I remember Nancy Grace going so were you scared, and 1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:50.800 her going yeah, what are you doing? 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:53.080 Yeah? 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:58.120 Well, she is now like a very accomplished advocate for 1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:00.000 missing people and victims of sexualists. 1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:01.080 She's an author. 1:38:01.640 --> 1:38:04.840 I watched I did watch an interview with her and 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:07.240 Anderson Cooper, but it's from twenty thirteen, so it's like 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:09.799 ten years after the fact. She's older, she's more composed, 1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:11.960 she can talk about what happened to her. And it 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:13.640 was when she decided to write her book, and she 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:17.360 was obviously saying, like people disclosed to me constantly, Like 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:19.920 people come up to me and just say, my dad 1:38:19.960 --> 1:38:21.799 tried to sell me so that he could pay mortgage 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:25.559 on the house, like all kinds of horrible. And so 1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:27.760 she wanted to write a book and she wants to 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:31.000 be outspoken so that she can just show people that 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:33.679 like life can move on after you have a tragedy, 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:35.519 like a trauma like this in your life, and you 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:40.680 can it doesn't have to define you. And famously she 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:43.000 was most recently on The Masked. 1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:45.000 Dancer as Miss moth Wow. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.559 She went on The mask Dancer and I read this 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:49.479 interview with her where she was like, they were like, 1:38:49.880 --> 1:38:51.880 this isn't really something you've ever done before, and she 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:54.840 was kind of like, you know, when I got offered this, 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:57.679 I thought I couldn't believe it. And then my grandma 1:38:57.760 --> 1:38:59.679 had just passed away, and I sort of thought about 1:38:59.680 --> 1:39:01.599 her life and she had done a lot of serious things, 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:03.040 but she had done a lot of fun things. And 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:04.840 I kind of looked at my own life and I 1:39:04.880 --> 1:39:07.479 felt like my life has been very serious and very heavy, 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:10.840 especially because she's now dedicated her life to this kind 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:13.479 of you know, work, which is got to be pretty 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:16.559 heavy sometimes, especially with your own story. And she was like, 1:39:16.600 --> 1:39:18.080 I just kind of want to do something fun and 1:39:18.080 --> 1:39:19.800 like let a little bit more light into my life. 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:21.960 And so she went on the mast Answer to kind 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:23.320 of Love. At first, when I heard that, I was 1:39:23.360 --> 1:39:25.880 like TV has hit a new low. But now that 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:27.960 I hear her side, I'm like, oh, that makes sense, 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:28.880 and that's like cute. 1:39:29.080 --> 1:39:29.320 Yeah. 1:39:29.400 --> 1:39:33.160 Why not let someone dance on TV in an outfit? Yeah? 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:36.080 And get her face out to more people that can 1:39:36.160 --> 1:39:37.639 learn about her work and her story. 1:39:37.720 --> 1:39:40.960 You know what I mean, Like, it's so fucked. This 1:39:41.080 --> 1:39:43.439 is fucked. Thank you, Kara. 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:47.719 So that's the combination of my mixed bag of crimes today. 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:49.960 Yeah, we got a lot of scoop. Thank you so much. 1:39:50.960 --> 1:39:53.360 Hang on for our interview, guys, it's gonna be a 1:39:53.360 --> 1:40:04.080 good one. All right, everybody, Today's guest. If you were 1:40:04.120 --> 1:40:06.679 a kid in the nineties, there's a really good chance 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:09.200 that you know and are obsessed with today's guest. She's 1:40:09.200 --> 1:40:12.679 a Disney Channel Original movie icon known for her roles 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:16.080 in the first three Halloween, Town Movie and Quince And 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:18.960 she also has appeared in tons of staple soaps like 1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:21.640 Guiding Light and General Hospital. But you guys know her 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:24.960 today as Jessica Morse and we're so excited to share 1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:26.479 our convo with Kimberly J. 1:40:26.640 --> 1:40:29.479 Brown. Yeah, so it's an iconic one. 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:33.559 The woman who plays like the teacher the main Why 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:34.519 am I forgetting her name? 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:36.120 It's just Sarry Barbara. 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:39.000 Yeah, because you know with SVU, when you're someone like 1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:41.439 us that watches constantly, you're like, wait, I know this episode, 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:43.160 what Wait, which one is it? And then you see her, 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:49.479 and you're like, oh, yes, this is insemination cult. So 1:40:49.520 --> 1:40:51.360 how does it feel to be in a cult episode? 1:40:51.400 --> 1:40:54.519 Were you a fan beforehand? How is audition like the 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:56.480 beginnings of the episode? 1:40:56.920 --> 1:40:59.280 I honestly, I don't think I had seen a full 1:40:59.360 --> 1:41:03.479 episode before I did the show, But after I did 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:07.360 the show, I have seen probably you know, a hundred 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:10.840 at least now, Like it completely sucked me in and 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:16.840 I was very generously offered the role, which doesn't have 1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:18.960 you know, is a very cool thing when it does 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:21.400 happen in your career. So I didn't have a full 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:25.840 audition process, but I was excited to do one of 1:41:25.880 --> 1:41:27.800 the you know, they were calling it, you know, the 1:41:27.880 --> 1:41:31.400 rip from the Headlines episode, sort of mirroring the whole 1:41:31.439 --> 1:41:36.080 Elizabeth Smart case, and so I was excited to just 1:41:36.520 --> 1:41:40.200 have it kind of I don't know, those episodes seem 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:44.160 like they you know, they kind of took some aspects 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:46.160 of real life and then did their own twist on them, 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:48.800 and so I was excited to be a part of 1:41:49.920 --> 1:41:51.320 that kind of storyline. 1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:56.800 Did you do research on cults, brainwashing, kidnapping Elizabeth Smart? 1:41:56.840 --> 1:41:59.559 Did you prep in any sort of way to play 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:00.840 someone that it's been brainwashed. 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:05.160 I was familiar with the Elizabeth Smart story and kind 1:42:05.200 --> 1:42:07.800 of looked it up again, but I didn't want to 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:10.640 get too heavy into her story because I knew they 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:15.080 were also doing their own thing with it, and other 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:18.000 than that, I did not. I can't say I looked 1:42:18.040 --> 1:42:19.760 up brainwashing. No, but it was. 1:42:21.600 --> 1:42:23.640 While we were planning questions. I looked at Kara and 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:26.200 was like, did you research cults? And she started answering it, 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:28.120 and I was like, not you, We're going to ask, 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:31.120 but I guess no one's researching car. 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:32.960 I started to be like, well, yeah, I mean I've 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:34.080 done a lot of research off cult. 1:42:34.200 --> 1:42:37.720 Yeah, short, short, yeah. 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:38.560 So you looking at you, our listeners can't see you, 1:42:38.600 --> 1:42:40.720 but you have dark hair. You are a blonde in 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:42.000 this episode? Or is that a wig? 1:42:42.080 --> 1:42:43.559 Were you? Did you used to be a blonde? Did 1:42:43.600 --> 1:42:45.160 they make you dye your hair? What's the story? 1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:47.720 I went through a blonde Actually, I don't want I 1:42:47.760 --> 1:42:49.479 was going to say a blonde phase, but it wasn't. 1:42:50.000 --> 1:42:52.800 I think it was after I did a movie called 1:42:52.840 --> 1:42:54.640 Bringing Down the House where I played Steve Martin and 1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:57.840 Jean Smart's daughter, and so I had lightened my hair 1:42:57.920 --> 1:43:00.160 for that movie, and so I kind of kept it 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:02.960 up for I think a couple of years after doing 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:06.280 that movie, so this was still when I was keeping 1:43:06.400 --> 1:43:10.320 up the blonde. And they loved that because they asked 1:43:10.360 --> 1:43:13.400 for some old photos of me, you know, to use 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:15.720 throughout the episode, and a lot of the stuff that 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:18.680 I had was me in my naturally dark hair, so 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:21.599 they that was kind of they just loved that aspect 1:43:21.640 --> 1:43:23.840 that it was we got to kind of use the 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:26.880 different hair color as far as you know, towards the 1:43:27.280 --> 1:43:29.920 whole disappearance and everything in the episode. 1:43:30.120 --> 1:43:33.400 Yeah, the change of personality and hair color. 1:43:33.479 --> 1:43:37.799 Well hair to go into the makeup hair wardrobe world. 1:43:38.000 --> 1:43:39.160 You had great outerwear. 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:40.920 I don't know if this is too specific of a 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:43.160 question for something that happened twelve years ago, but. 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:46.720 Possibly let's try so. 1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:49.120 You just had such good peak coats and there was 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:53.840 like a Swede tan collar jacket. Do you remember working 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:56.640 with wardrobe or that, you know, the Infinity necklace is 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:57.400 pretty iconic. 1:43:58.080 --> 1:44:00.880 I did love that necklace. I remember than being very 1:44:00.920 --> 1:44:05.519 specific obviously about the necklace, but about her wearing things 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:09.080 that didn't either didn't quite fit or you know, were 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:13.040 a little bit not along the lines of you know, 1:44:13.120 --> 1:44:16.880 what teens in that age range were wearing that day, 1:44:16.920 --> 1:44:18.639 and they did want to kind of set her apart 1:44:19.680 --> 1:44:22.360 with the clothing. And I do remember that coat. I 1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:25.120 remember loving that coat because it was cold in New 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:26.960 York City when we were filming and I had to do, 1:44:27.120 --> 1:44:29.880 you know, walking down the street of the Brownstones and 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:33.920 like just yeah, the loving that coat. I should have 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:36.519 tried to take it off, but yes, I tried with 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:38.439 the other one, the coat that I wore in the 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:43.000 backyard scene with Chris Maloney like that. I think it 1:44:43.000 --> 1:44:45.240 was somebody I don't remember, but I yeah, I made 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:46.719 an attempt to buy that coat. 1:44:46.479 --> 1:44:46.960 Off of them. 1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:51.040 Speaking of Maloney, you have a lot of intense moments 1:44:51.040 --> 1:44:53.720 with him in this episode, did you guys connect or 1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:56.200 I mean, what's was it hard to focus because he's 1:44:56.240 --> 1:44:57.519 so hot or like what? 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:01.720 He was fantastic? I mean everybody in the whole cast was, 1:45:01.720 --> 1:45:04.759 but it it was fun to kind of play off 1:45:04.800 --> 1:45:08.320 of that. He has such an intense energy when he's 1:45:08.320 --> 1:45:11.920 playing Stabler, and I think it was fun to I 1:45:12.000 --> 1:45:15.439 definitely used that in the role. But I just loved 1:45:15.439 --> 1:45:20.160 how he was so intense but then also just brought 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:23.519 that warmth thin to really, you know, kind of make anybody. 1:45:23.560 --> 1:45:26.280 He was questioning his friend in that moment, and so 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:28.760 it was a nice dynamic to kind of play off 1:45:28.760 --> 1:45:34.120 of because I was so you know, not experienced with 1:45:34.120 --> 1:45:36.720 with talking to people like him for years, and I 1:45:36.760 --> 1:45:39.519 kind of I used that dynamic a lot. But he 1:45:39.600 --> 1:45:42.479 was He was just so great to work with. 1:45:43.120 --> 1:45:43.920 That's nice to hear. 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:47.880 We've mostly heard that about him, But everybody usually gushes 1:45:47.920 --> 1:45:50.559 about Mariushka any any guy, and I. 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:54.519 Will add to the gushing. She was so kind and 1:45:55.960 --> 1:45:58.519 just I didn't. She is sort of the epitome I 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:03.679 think of the kind of character like I admire her 1:46:03.760 --> 1:46:05.479 in that role so much, Like that is the kind 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:07.519 of role in character that I think would be so 1:46:07.640 --> 1:46:09.760 fun to play for years and years, Like it doesn't 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:11.960 surprise me that the show is so successful and she 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:14.120 just continues to kick ass in it, because she's just 1:46:15.200 --> 1:46:19.280 she's just a kick ass person. But we did we 1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:21.280 had somebody in common in the sense when I first 1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:24.680 met her that her now a husband, Peter Herman. I 1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:27.679 think they hadn't quite gotten married at the time, but 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:30.800 Peter and I worked together on a soap opera called 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:33.080 Guiding Light years ago it's not on the air anymore. 1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:37.320 So yeah, So I had seen that they were together, 1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:39.960 and I didn't I didn't realize initially that he was 1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:43.559 also in the episode. So we kind of bonded over 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:45.720 that initially that I was like, well tell him, Mara 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:49.080 says hi, because he played the doctor that cloned my 1:46:49.160 --> 1:46:50.800 mother on the soap opera, and we went into the 1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:54.840 whole storyline. So and then later we ended up, you know, 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:58.080 actually seeing each other and working together. But that was cool, 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:00.479 and she was I think I don't remember how many 1:47:00.560 --> 1:47:03.120 years later it was, but I actually sent her a note. 1:47:03.360 --> 1:47:05.320 I think it was through her website because I think 1:47:05.320 --> 1:47:08.040 it was before you know, Instagram and all that, but 1:47:09.560 --> 1:47:11.800 just saying hi, and you know how much fun I 1:47:11.800 --> 1:47:14.080 had working on the episode and all that, and how 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:16.160 I was then addicted to the show. And she wrote 1:47:16.200 --> 1:47:19.640 me back and said hi, and just wrote me the 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:22.080 sweetest note, and I think ended it with, you know, 1:47:22.120 --> 1:47:25.200 something like be careful, you know, make sure you continue 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:27.400 to go outside, like you know, don't stay in all 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:29.720 the time like you know. But it was in She's 1:47:29.760 --> 1:47:33.080 just very very down to earth and fun like that. 1:47:33.720 --> 1:47:36.559 Did you sense their love connection on set? 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:41.840 They were definitely. They're definitely very bonded and worked together 1:47:41.920 --> 1:47:44.360 very well, and there's a I really could tell there 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:49.200 was such a collaborative just a collaborative sense among all 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:51.160 of them, and in the way that they worked with 1:47:51.720 --> 1:47:55.400 the producer and the director on set, but also you know, 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:58.800 the producers that weren't there, and there was always like 1:47:58.880 --> 1:48:01.799 calls made to them and kind of discussing certain dialogue 1:48:01.880 --> 1:48:04.160 and things that were happening in the episode. And I 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:06.200 thought it was really cool that they all had that 1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:09.160 camaraderie and sort of back and forth as far as 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:12.040 like kind of you know, they the actors were kind 1:48:12.040 --> 1:48:15.320 of you know, able to collaborate with what was going 1:48:15.360 --> 1:48:20.040 on in the episode, and I admired that, Hell yeah. 1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:24.080 You also got a courtroom scene. I didn't know how 1:48:24.200 --> 1:48:26.040 was that a blast? 1:48:26.640 --> 1:48:28.200 Because they were like, well, we're on the you know, 1:48:28.280 --> 1:48:30.800 this is the this is the law and order set, 1:48:30.920 --> 1:48:34.040 you know, so there was a lot of care throughout 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.640 all of the shooting and everything to not mess up 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:39.200 anything that was you know, pre set in the way 1:48:39.240 --> 1:48:42.320 that that cast and crew and everything that had everything 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:46.920 set up. But as an actor, I have always I 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:49.759 love courtroom shows. I love like and I've always wanted 1:48:49.800 --> 1:48:52.719 to play a lawyer, which I haven't yet, I've gotten 1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:56.040 very close. So for me being able to be on 1:48:56.080 --> 1:48:59.320 the witness stand and be interrogated so hard was awesome. 1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:02.640 It was like a little actor's like a you know, 1:49:02.680 --> 1:49:04.960 one of those like a bucketless things you want to do, 1:49:05.040 --> 1:49:09.920 I guess, and it was. It was also intense because 1:49:09.920 --> 1:49:12.479 it's you know, I had Stephanie March coming at me 1:49:12.600 --> 1:49:15.800 for a little while, and then Laura Elena Herring came 1:49:15.800 --> 1:49:19.320 at me, who was so stern through the episode. But 1:49:19.439 --> 1:49:21.559 we I think that was the first day we met, 1:49:21.600 --> 1:49:24.040 and she just came at I think we had to 1:49:24.080 --> 1:49:26.920 do our stuff first, she came at me, and then 1:49:26.960 --> 1:49:28.960 I don't know, I don't remember how it happened, but 1:49:29.000 --> 1:49:30.880 I ended up one of us ended up cracking a 1:49:30.960 --> 1:49:33.880 joke and then we just we clicked and we just 1:49:34.000 --> 1:49:36.320 ended up goofing around with each other for the rest 1:49:36.320 --> 1:49:38.040 of the time we were working together, which was so 1:49:38.160 --> 1:49:42.000 obviously the opposite of our characters. But I loved all 1:49:42.080 --> 1:49:45.120 of it, and I loved kind of just really soaking 1:49:45.160 --> 1:49:49.040 into that, you know, just the whole breakdown on the stand. 1:49:49.040 --> 1:49:50.920 It was kind of a I didn't realize at the time, 1:49:51.040 --> 1:49:53.320 kind of like one of those classic moments and it 1:49:53.520 --> 1:49:56.639 just uh and man, they moved that camera in right 1:49:56.680 --> 1:49:59.679 in on your face and they get right all in there, 1:49:59.720 --> 1:50:02.000 you know, and it comes across sounds great, It's cool. 1:50:02.600 --> 1:50:02.880 Yeah. 1:50:02.880 --> 1:50:03.759 What kind of lawyer? 1:50:04.160 --> 1:50:07.519 Defense, prosecution, good guys, slimy bad? 1:50:09.360 --> 1:50:14.240 I think I think defense. I think I think it's 1:50:15.520 --> 1:50:18.240 one of my other favorite roles in shows. Ever is 1:50:18.920 --> 1:50:21.800 the good Wife, and I watching Juliana Margully is like, 1:50:21.880 --> 1:50:24.920 that was just such an amazing role. But I think 1:50:24.920 --> 1:50:27.000 it's fun to kind of show the human side of 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:29.720 that kind of job and who you're representing and all 1:50:29.760 --> 1:50:31.320 that kind of stuff, to kind of show, you know, 1:50:31.680 --> 1:50:35.320 the behind the scenes aspect of what I imagine that 1:50:35.479 --> 1:50:37.240 life to be. I have no idea. 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:41.840 Yeah, seems terrible in real life seems it seems. 1:50:41.920 --> 1:50:46.679 Very stressful, very stressful, and I there's no absolutely no way. 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:49.120 I have way too much anxiety to the lawyer. But 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:51.120 it's you know, it's so fun to watch. 1:50:51.520 --> 1:50:53.400 Yeah, I mean on TV they wrap up the case 1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:59.519 in fifteen minutes. Yeah, So, how was working with Barbara Barry? 1:50:59.520 --> 1:51:02.479 We brought her before. She's like, so she's worked since 1:51:02.479 --> 1:51:03.200 the fifties. 1:51:03.320 --> 1:51:05.120 I mean, you guys seem like you had a in 1:51:05.200 --> 1:51:08.160 that scene at the end, like you seem very connected. 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:11.240 And we were. She was so sweet. We had met 1:51:11.360 --> 1:51:15.200 I think at the Independent Spirit Awards a few years prior. 1:51:15.280 --> 1:51:18.840 I think she was We were both there, I think 1:51:18.840 --> 1:51:20.800 the year that I had won and she was nominated 1:51:20.960 --> 1:51:23.880 or something. I can't remember, but we we talked about 1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:28.840 that and she just was such a warm, sweet lady. 1:51:28.880 --> 1:51:31.920 I mean, and I think it's evident in the role, 1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:34.559 but also yeah, in that moment between us, like at 1:51:34.600 --> 1:51:37.920 the end, I think that was an important just an 1:51:37.920 --> 1:51:40.840 important thing to show and oh gosh, yeah, she just 1:51:40.920 --> 1:51:43.439 would always just come up and hug me and hold 1:51:43.439 --> 1:51:44.880 my face in her hands, and it was just, you know, 1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:45.639 it was so sweet. 1:51:46.479 --> 1:51:49.120 Yes, I love that. 1:51:49.880 --> 1:51:52.559 I love the nostalgia and everything is coming back and 1:51:52.600 --> 1:51:55.400 Halloween Town has made so many people happy for decades. 1:51:55.880 --> 1:51:58.280 How does it feel to be in a hit cult 1:51:58.479 --> 1:52:00.839 classic holiday sensation? 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:05.240 Yeah, moving from one cult to another, Yeah, yeah, yes. 1:52:05.080 --> 1:52:09.719 Perfect segue there. It's incredible. It still blows my mind 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:14.519 that the movies are still talked about and people watch them, 1:52:14.520 --> 1:52:18.479 and I mean I get approached almost daily on the 1:52:18.479 --> 1:52:21.519 street of people just being fans of the movies and 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:24.880 sharing stories of what it meant to them growing up 1:52:24.920 --> 1:52:27.640 and how they show it to their kids now. And 1:52:27.920 --> 1:52:31.280 I have young nephews and my friends young kids that 1:52:31.360 --> 1:52:34.240 watch it now, and it's just amazing. It's had a 1:52:34.240 --> 1:52:37.200 whole other life. And I couldn't couldn't be more honored. 1:52:37.240 --> 1:52:39.400 You know, As an actor, you just you hope somebody 1:52:39.439 --> 1:52:42.800 sees something that you do. But the fact that it's 1:52:43.200 --> 1:52:46.479 been able to live on like this is just it's amazing. 1:52:47.439 --> 1:52:49.639 Yeah, just the Disney movies I was I was telling Kara, 1:52:49.720 --> 1:52:51.040 I was more of I liked the Quins. 1:52:51.120 --> 1:52:52.760 That's the one that I was watching a lot. 1:52:53.600 --> 1:52:57.240 I love, I love. I've never been able, I think, 1:52:57.280 --> 1:52:59.720 to do a movie since then where you get to 1:53:00.000 --> 1:53:01.840 break the fourth wall like that and like talk to 1:53:01.880 --> 1:53:04.559 the camera and narrate the whole movie. That was just 1:53:05.280 --> 1:53:08.559 it's rare and that was just such a fun aspect 1:53:08.640 --> 1:53:10.839 of that. And I and I loved all the babies. 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:15.000 And actually my brother Dylan, my real brother Dylan is 1:53:15.439 --> 1:53:17.240 was one of the babies, like towards the end of 1:53:17.240 --> 1:53:18.760 the movie, he's. 1:53:18.479 --> 1:53:19.120 I love that. 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:22.360 Yeah, he's in his early twenties now, so there's a 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:25.600 little there's a little time perspective. But yeah, he's in 1:53:25.640 --> 1:53:27.960 the movie, and so it's a fun little little person. 1:53:28.120 --> 1:53:30.479 I was reading they had to use like twenty babies 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:31.400 for that movie. 1:53:31.640 --> 1:53:34.720 It's yeah, they had like baby can't work that long. Yes, 1:53:34.880 --> 1:53:37.080 they can only work for like fifteen twenty minutes at 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:39.320 a time, and so yeah, you would kind of we 1:53:39.360 --> 1:53:41.680 would rehearse with dolls up until the final moment, and 1:53:41.720 --> 1:53:44.200 then they would bring in one group of babies and 1:53:44.200 --> 1:53:46.280 then if one got upset, they would have to it's. 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:47.200 A whole stop it out. 1:53:47.320 --> 1:53:50.360 Baby wrangling is a real thing in the industry. It's yeah, 1:53:50.520 --> 1:53:52.080 it's it's it's funny. 1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:54.719 I did not know that there were so many babies 1:53:54.760 --> 1:53:56.599 and they could work for so little. 1:53:57.360 --> 1:53:59.799 I guess that's good. We can't like overwork these babies. 1:53:59.840 --> 1:54:03.040 But no, I mean I think I think it's because 1:54:03.040 --> 1:54:05.439 they're so young too, Like the industry as a whole, 1:54:05.479 --> 1:54:08.200 like when I was a teenager growing up, like the 1:54:08.200 --> 1:54:10.559 the state rules and everything of working, like you can 1:54:10.600 --> 1:54:12.439 only work a certain numbn of hours as kids too, 1:54:12.520 --> 1:54:16.519 until you're until you're eighteen, and so it's it's as 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:18.640 a kid actor. It was always I always wanted to 1:54:18.680 --> 1:54:22.240 stay on set longer, and you have to do three 1:54:22.240 --> 1:54:24.880 hours of school every day, so it's it's always like 1:54:24.920 --> 1:54:30.960 a very scheduled, you know, brought out like it's they 1:54:31.000 --> 1:54:32.800 have to do a lot to maintain, you know, a 1:54:32.840 --> 1:54:35.080 shooting date with kids. But with that was my first 1:54:35.120 --> 1:54:37.000 time working with babies to where it was like, oh, 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:39.840 they have to go now, oh okay, that was they've 1:54:39.920 --> 1:54:44.480 only been here from Devin baby. Yeah. 1:54:44.640 --> 1:54:46.400 So what are you up to these days? 1:54:46.400 --> 1:54:48.240 I saw that you have a one and a half 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:49.919 million followers on TikTok? 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:50.840 What are you doing on there? 1:54:51.040 --> 1:54:53.280 I do? It's it's crazy. 1:54:53.120 --> 1:54:54.240 What are you? What's your content? 1:54:54.960 --> 1:54:56.760 Fun? You know, I'm trying to keep up with the 1:54:56.760 --> 1:55:01.040 cool kids. I do just a lot of yes, comedy stuff, 1:55:01.040 --> 1:55:04.360 whatever kind of hits me is the things going on 1:55:04.400 --> 1:55:06.400 in my life that I you know, wonder if other 1:55:06.440 --> 1:55:09.960 people go through too. But it's a lot of fun. 1:55:10.000 --> 1:55:13.720 I started it like a year or so ago and thought, Okay, 1:55:13.840 --> 1:55:15.800 let's see what this is about, like you know, and 1:55:16.200 --> 1:55:20.200 it's just was astounding how it kind of took off 1:55:20.240 --> 1:55:23.840 and now it's a great place to kind of, you know, 1:55:24.240 --> 1:55:26.360 make something and it enables me to be creative and 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:29.360 do some comedy stuff. And I have an improv background too, 1:55:29.400 --> 1:55:31.680 so it's been fun to kind of try to create 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:34.120 some things and talk to the fans, and I mean 1:55:34.240 --> 1:55:37.920 talk about some the nostalgic, like just that group of 1:55:37.960 --> 1:55:41.640 fans and everything they are. They are amazingly loyal fans 1:55:41.680 --> 1:55:44.000 because they're all hanging out just wanting to talk. You know, 1:55:44.320 --> 1:55:46.920 Disney a lot too, which is really cool. 1:55:47.240 --> 1:55:49.480 Do you have anybody that follows you but that when 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:52.560 they follow you you were like, oh, hell yeah. 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:53.720 Oh. 1:55:53.800 --> 1:55:55.600 I was just asking another friend of mine this the 1:55:55.680 --> 1:55:58.760 other day because she got big on Instagram doing these 1:55:58.840 --> 1:56:01.680 videos and stuff, and she's like, oh yeah, little John, 1:56:01.920 --> 1:56:02.520 Oh yeah. 1:56:03.560 --> 1:56:06.960 Well, I have to say I saw I think it 1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:10.560 was a little mass followed no mentioned Halloween Town this 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:13.640 past year, tweeted about it and oh okay that I 1:56:13.680 --> 1:56:16.200 mean that kind of blew my brother's mind for sure. 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:20.320 My brother, who's twenty two, was just like, what I think. 1:56:20.520 --> 1:56:22.400 Titus Burgess followed. 1:56:21.960 --> 1:56:23.080 Me, Oh I love it. 1:56:23.240 --> 1:56:26.720 I love him too. Yeah, kimm Schmidt is just he 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:29.040 just was phenomenal on that and I could listen to 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:31.960 him saying the whole time I said hi to Keky 1:56:32.000 --> 1:56:35.600 Palmer recently on Instagram and she wrote me just the 1:56:35.640 --> 1:56:38.400 sweetest comment and followed me and it was just like, oh, 1:56:38.520 --> 1:56:40.320 like we hadn't seen each other in the longest time. 1:56:41.840 --> 1:56:44.280 She's s girl, she is okay, there we go. 1:56:44.400 --> 1:56:47.040 She was little, she was like a child. She was 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:49.680 like a really little kid. It's cute. I mean scary 1:56:49.760 --> 1:56:54.520 there there's you know, yeah sv but she was very cute. 1:56:54.640 --> 1:56:58.440 Cool within the SVU. Yeah, yes, yes, absolutely. 1:56:59.360 --> 1:57:00.680 What did you guys work on together? 1:57:01.720 --> 1:57:05.240 We actually have never worked together, I guess from you know, 1:57:05.280 --> 1:57:09.120 we were both on Disney. And then I stopped by 1:57:09.360 --> 1:57:13.640 a music video shoot that she was doing with Mary J. 1:57:13.760 --> 1:57:16.040 Blige and Ludacris. I can't remember the name of the song. 1:57:16.120 --> 1:57:18.560 It was like run Away Love. I think one of 1:57:18.600 --> 1:57:20.880 those just random things that my I stopped by to 1:57:20.880 --> 1:57:22.800 see my publicist at the time, and then she was 1:57:22.880 --> 1:57:24.200 I didn't know she was in the video and so 1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:25.920 she came out, was like hey, and so it just 1:57:26.360 --> 1:57:30.080 we've just kind of said high over the years and yes. 1:57:29.960 --> 1:57:32.920 Wait, did you meet Ludacris? You really? You swept right 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:34.800 on that another SVU alum. 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:38.040 I did not meet him then, but I do have 1:57:38.040 --> 1:57:43.360 a ludacrous story. I was back in New York actually working. 1:57:43.680 --> 1:57:46.160 I came back on The Guiding Light after I left, 1:57:46.200 --> 1:57:49.200 right before it went off the air, and he was 1:57:49.200 --> 1:57:52.640 in the same studio doing some show I don't know. 1:57:52.720 --> 1:57:54.760 But I got in the elevator to go to lunch 1:57:54.880 --> 1:57:56.840 and I ended up standing right in front of him 1:57:57.320 --> 1:58:00.560 in the elevator and we had the same publicist at 1:58:00.560 --> 1:58:02.280 the time, and so it was one of those things 1:58:02.280 --> 1:58:03.560 where I was like, Oh my god, do I do it? 1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:05.320 Do I say Hi? Like? And I was like, oh, 1:58:05.360 --> 1:58:07.600 you don't say hi like, You're you're gonna regret it 1:58:07.640 --> 1:58:09.600 for the rest of your life. So I said Hi, 1:58:09.680 --> 1:58:11.200 don't you know. He didn't know who, you know, but 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:13.200 he was very sweet and said Hi, and then we 1:58:13.440 --> 1:58:16.560 both you know, went off in our separate ways. But 1:58:16.760 --> 1:58:19.320 now I'm it was one of those no regrets, okay exactly. 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:21.840 I was like, no regrets. I did say, Hilda, you 1:58:21.920 --> 1:58:23.040 do you do? Yeah? 1:58:23.320 --> 1:58:24.840 Yeah. 1:58:24.880 --> 1:58:27.760 And another thing I noticed that I got really excited about. 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:31.440 I'm a huge Bugs life girl. I actually have one 1:58:31.440 --> 1:58:34.360 of the character's toys right there. But were you all 1:58:34.440 --> 1:58:36.240 the little girls like in the school? 1:58:37.160 --> 1:58:39.240 Yes, there was like a group of us that came 1:58:39.240 --> 1:58:42.400 in and voiced a lot of the Blueberry ants like that. 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:45.120 That were all the various friends that Dot had And 1:58:45.160 --> 1:58:49.000 it was the coolest experience because they hadn't finished animating, 1:58:49.040 --> 1:58:53.400 fully animating the movie yet, and anderstand and John Laster 1:58:53.560 --> 1:58:56.200 with there like the all the sessions, which I was 1:58:56.240 --> 1:58:59.880 impressed with because you never know, you know who creatively 1:59:00.000 --> 1:59:02.200 and you know the big wigs within the company if 1:59:02.200 --> 1:59:04.560 they're going to come and participate in every session. But 1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:08.760 they let us watch like sections of the movie explained 1:59:08.840 --> 1:59:10.560 everything that was going on. We get to see some 1:59:10.640 --> 1:59:12.640 of some of the movie was still in like the 1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:16.240 sketch phase of like drawing and wasn't fully animated yet, 1:59:16.280 --> 1:59:19.680 so these different scenes would be pieces of the movie. 1:59:19.680 --> 1:59:22.280 And it was really fun getting to see how those 1:59:22.320 --> 1:59:25.520 movies come together. And I'm a huge Pixar fan, so 1:59:25.600 --> 1:59:27.920 that was like I was, you know, I was holding 1:59:27.960 --> 1:59:31.400 the fangirl in is as hard, you know, as hard 1:59:31.400 --> 1:59:32.440 as I could and. 1:59:32.480 --> 1:59:33.240 They're so cute. 1:59:33.280 --> 1:59:35.840 Do you have a drawing of the answers? Did they 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:37.720 give you toys? Do you have a memory of the 1:59:37.760 --> 1:59:40.000 ant or just in your heart? 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:42.600 No, in my heart for sure, it will always stay 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:44.360 in my heart. Yeah, they were sweet. They gave us 1:59:45.240 --> 1:59:47.600 they signed us posters at the end of the at 1:59:47.680 --> 1:59:50.480 the end of the sessions. But no, I that would 1:59:50.480 --> 1:59:52.040 have been that would have been pretty cool. 1:59:52.080 --> 1:59:55.160 Too, you know huge. Yeah, they're really cute. They are. 1:59:55.680 --> 1:59:56.760 I love that movie too. 1:59:57.600 --> 1:59:59.400 Do you have anything that you're working on right now 1:59:59.440 --> 2:00:00.760 that you want to like? Plug? 2:00:01.640 --> 2:00:05.520 You're so sweet? Well, I mean, I'm I'm obviously on 2:00:05.560 --> 2:00:08.400 all the socials if people want to follow me, and uh, 2:00:08.640 --> 2:00:12.960 I have an Etsy shop called Craftily Creative that has 2:00:13.000 --> 2:00:17.640 a bunch of some like uh graphic t's and some 2:00:17.680 --> 2:00:20.520 other fun stuff that are that's Halloween Town inspired. It's 2:00:20.560 --> 2:00:24.600 kind of my love letter to the fans. And I 2:00:24.640 --> 2:00:27.960 think later this year, I'm i guest started in an 2:00:27.960 --> 2:00:32.000 episode of an animated Disney show that's coming out soon too. 2:00:32.120 --> 2:00:36.640 So it's I'm grateful just to still be creative in 2:00:36.640 --> 2:00:39.280 the business and and get to do my thing, you know. 2:00:39.360 --> 2:00:42.560 It's it's so fun to get to talk through uh, 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:46.000 fun memories like this of cool shows and stuff. And 2:00:46.080 --> 2:00:49.280 actually this morning, I think somebody the episode must have 2:00:49.360 --> 2:00:52.960 just aired of SBU because somebody tagged me in a oh. 2:00:52.880 --> 2:00:54.520 I was just I was gonna ask you that too. 2:00:54.600 --> 2:00:56.560 Do you get that like every time your episode air 2:00:56.640 --> 2:00:57.880 or someone's like just saw you. 2:00:58.360 --> 2:01:00.920 Yes, yeah, I get DM like tweeted all of that 2:01:01.000 --> 2:01:03.040 and then somebody sometimes they put up clips which I 2:01:03.040 --> 2:01:07.880 think I reposted in my instant story but it's uh yeah, 2:01:07.920 --> 2:01:10.680 and it was it was me and Christopher Vloney like, 2:01:10.880 --> 2:01:13.520 and it's just I hadn't seen it in a while. 2:01:13.560 --> 2:01:17.080 So it genuinely tickles me to to get to go 2:01:17.240 --> 2:01:19.400 back and kind of, you know, relive, relive some of 2:01:19.400 --> 2:01:20.000 those moments. 2:01:23.800 --> 2:01:26.720 Oh man, she was fun. She was fun, and I 2:01:26.760 --> 2:01:28.720 love that she had opinions on her outerwear. You know 2:01:28.760 --> 2:01:29.120 what I mean? 2:01:29.680 --> 2:01:31.800 When I get to mesh on these little details with 2:01:31.920 --> 2:01:36.120 her amazing guests and uh yeah, that was like really fun. 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:38.560 I think a lot of our listeners and friends, I 2:01:38.600 --> 2:01:42.800 know Matteo Lane will be excited and he will hit 2:01:42.840 --> 2:01:43.160 me up. 2:01:43.720 --> 2:01:45.320 Yeah. 2:01:45.440 --> 2:01:47.800 I for this week's post mortem, I don't know what 2:01:47.840 --> 2:01:51.240 we can say. Uh, your parents are bad, but they're 2:01:51.280 --> 2:01:52.720 not as bad as a cult that's going to try 2:01:52.720 --> 2:01:55.200 to impregnate you and leave you to get bitten by roaches. 2:01:55.360 --> 2:01:56.720 So maybe try to work it out. 2:01:57.920 --> 2:02:01.040 Also, come on miss Haggarty, Why did you let Samantha 2:02:01.080 --> 2:02:04.080 die like that? I know, you know, because it's like 2:02:04.120 --> 2:02:06.000 we love her at the end, but it's like, no, 2:02:06.120 --> 2:02:08.560 you let this man control you. But like maybe she 2:02:08.640 --> 2:02:11.000 was controlled. He manipulated her while she was in grief 2:02:11.040 --> 2:02:12.200 over her daughter, you know. 2:02:12.440 --> 2:02:14.960 Yeah, maybe he was like, I'll kick you out on 2:02:15.000 --> 2:02:16.240 the street and you won't be able to help any 2:02:16.280 --> 2:02:18.360 of these girls, and she was like, okay, one to 2:02:18.440 --> 2:02:20.880 save many who knows, you know, who knows what's going 2:02:20.920 --> 2:02:24.920 through an old lady's uh mind and a cult. 2:02:25.040 --> 2:02:30.080 But yeah, you can't clone people like I don't don't trust, 2:02:30.240 --> 2:02:32.360 don't run, I don't know, I can't any. 2:02:32.080 --> 2:02:34.600 These Ashton puts your lookalikes that think they can change 2:02:34.600 --> 2:02:35.080 the world. 2:02:36.280 --> 2:02:38.040 And Mila, you saw them their video. 2:02:38.280 --> 2:02:41.480 They're matching up to three million dollars of donations to Ukraine. 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:46.400 Oh because she is from that region, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:02:46.440 --> 2:02:49.120 that's awesome, super big. I can't say the same for 2:02:49.200 --> 2:02:50.720 this fucking doctor loser. 2:02:51.080 --> 2:02:52.240 No, he's not a real person. 2:02:52.720 --> 2:02:56.680 But in terms of the Elizabeth Smart story, I feel like, yeah, 2:02:56.680 --> 2:02:59.000 like let's all just keep our eyes open and see 2:02:59.240 --> 2:03:02.000 in case you see it, Sketchy people in public. I mean, 2:03:02.360 --> 2:03:04.200 there's nothing you can do to prevent what happened to 2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:05.040 Elizabeth Smart. 2:03:05.080 --> 2:03:06.880 I guess besides, like be aware of. 2:03:07.880 --> 2:03:11.320 Sketchy people in your life, sketchy roofers working on your house. 2:03:11.400 --> 2:03:11.840 I don't know. 2:03:12.080 --> 2:03:15.120 I mean, don't let anyone work or live or enter 2:03:15.160 --> 2:03:16.200 your home at any time. 2:03:17.080 --> 2:03:18.839 That's the only way to protect your children. 2:03:19.040 --> 2:03:21.400 That's only that's Oh, and this is something we didn't 2:03:21.480 --> 2:03:24.480 talk about, but this is more worldly not for the episode, 2:03:24.640 --> 2:03:27.200 but have you seen the posts about like Kim Kardashian 2:03:27.360 --> 2:03:30.400 and Kanye and how like she's so rich and powerful 2:03:30.440 --> 2:03:32.360 and it's still hard for her to get away from 2:03:32.360 --> 2:03:35.240 like an abusive person and it's still being stalked. And 2:03:35.440 --> 2:03:38.400 yet we're so blase when we tell people like why 2:03:38.360 --> 2:03:39.800 didn't you leave, Why don't you just leave? 2:03:39.840 --> 2:03:40.680 Why don't you live? 2:03:40.760 --> 2:03:43.400 And it's like one of the richest people in the 2:03:43.440 --> 2:03:47.720 world couldn't leave with the most security and the most protection, 2:03:48.240 --> 2:03:52.120 And that you're asking just like random teachers to like 2:03:52.200 --> 2:03:53.520 be able to ski easily. 2:03:53.840 --> 2:03:55.840 No, it's that's such a good point. Yeah, it's like 2:03:55.920 --> 2:03:59.360 hard for everybody, And yeah, Kim Kardashian has helped get 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:01.440 people off death throw and she can't get Kanye out 2:04:01.480 --> 2:04:03.080 of her fucking life, like it's. 2:04:03.280 --> 2:04:06.480 Nuts, and that now there's all these like you know, 2:04:06.600 --> 2:04:09.080 like he was controlling and he changed the way she dressed, 2:04:09.120 --> 2:04:11.720 and they're putting all these clips together from the show 2:04:11.760 --> 2:04:13.800 and how controlling he is and even all of his 2:04:13.840 --> 2:04:15.720 girlfriends he dresses all of them. 2:04:16.240 --> 2:04:16.960 That's not for me. 2:04:18.440 --> 2:04:20.400 It's not for me too. I also do know that 2:04:20.400 --> 2:04:22.880 the Kanye doc isn't made by him. He's not making money. 2:04:22.920 --> 2:04:25.080 These people that he fucked over had the footage and 2:04:25.120 --> 2:04:27.320 they made all the money off of selling the footage 2:04:27.320 --> 2:04:27.800 for the doc. 2:04:28.400 --> 2:04:33.000 Oh the genius thing. Yeah wow, Well. 2:04:32.880 --> 2:04:35.000 Not either here nor there. But this was a jam 2:04:35.040 --> 2:04:36.360 packs amazing episode. 2:04:36.720 --> 2:04:40.000 You know the thing, if you steal something and you're 2:04:40.080 --> 2:04:42.160 running away from the cops, don't turn around and shoot them. 2:04:42.200 --> 2:04:43.360 You're just gonna make it worse. 2:04:44.160 --> 2:04:45.960 Just a note to all the skateboarders out there that 2:04:46.000 --> 2:04:48.080 are trying to steal shit and shoot cops. Also, I 2:04:48.200 --> 2:04:51.560 just hope that every missing person's picture I ever see, 2:04:51.600 --> 2:04:54.400 I can like photograph memory into my brain and then 2:04:55.120 --> 2:04:57.320 one day be like, I know her, I saw her, 2:04:57.400 --> 2:04:59.440 I know, I know. I wish I could be like 2:04:59.480 --> 2:05:01.640 these people. I used to think, like, oh my god, 2:05:01.680 --> 2:05:04.200 I'm going to memorize amber alerts and like you forget 2:05:04.200 --> 2:05:05.680 them the second you see them, you know what. 2:05:05.600 --> 2:05:07.400 I mean, Like, oh, I can't. 2:05:07.480 --> 2:05:10.080 But anyway, I do think that we learn a lot 2:05:10.120 --> 2:05:13.120 about from people like Elizabeth Smart who don't completely like 2:05:13.200 --> 2:05:15.560 collapse and even though that is completely your right if 2:05:15.600 --> 2:05:18.320 you go through something like this, but who use their 2:05:18.840 --> 2:05:21.760 experience and their trauma to sort of like educate others 2:05:21.760 --> 2:05:24.880 and help others. And I think that leads us pretty 2:05:25.240 --> 2:05:27.680 well into our what would Sister Peg do segment this week, 2:05:27.720 --> 2:05:30.560 which is our weekly segment where we direct you towards 2:05:31.360 --> 2:05:34.880 a resource, a website, an organization, a book, something to 2:05:34.920 --> 2:05:38.000 give you more context and more information about what we 2:05:38.080 --> 2:05:40.760 covered in today's episode. And we want to highlight a 2:05:40.800 --> 2:05:43.920 book by Elizabeth Smart called My Story. I believe she 2:05:43.920 --> 2:05:47.000 has two books, but this is I believe her first one, 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:51.080 and this is her memoir, My Story, where she recounts 2:05:51.080 --> 2:05:52.840 the horrors of what happened to her, but also talks 2:05:52.840 --> 2:05:55.720 about how she maintained hope throughout it all and devised 2:05:55.720 --> 2:05:58.920 the plan that would ultimately lead to her rescue in Utah. 2:05:59.040 --> 2:06:01.760 She also discusses how she's used advocacy to move through 2:06:02.080 --> 2:06:04.560 what happened to her, and the link to buy the 2:06:04.560 --> 2:06:05.520 book is in our show notes. 2:06:05.560 --> 2:06:10.240 If you're interested and next week's episode, we'll be control 2:06:10.640 --> 2:06:14.600 season five, episode nine and we can't wait to see you. 2:06:15.040 --> 2:06:23.480 Such a good episode, See you guys next week. 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:28.879 That's Messed Up is an Exactly Right production. 2:06:29.320 --> 2:06:31.120 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:06:31.160 --> 2:06:33.360 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:06:33.400 --> 2:06:35.880 at thots Messed Up Pod at gmail dot com. 2:06:36.000 --> 2:06:38.840 Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod 2:06:38.960 --> 2:06:41.760 and on Twitter at messed Up Pod, and follow us 2:06:41.760 --> 2:06:44.400 personally at karaklink and at Glittergyes. 2:06:44.800 --> 2:06:47.240 As always, please see our show notes for sources and 2:06:47.240 --> 2:06:47.919 more information. 2:06:48.280 --> 2:06:51.400 Thank you so much to our producer Analie Snelson. 2:06:51.240 --> 2:06:54.240 And to our mixing engineer RYO Baum, and to Henry 2:06:54.280 --> 2:06:57.480 Kaperski for our theme song, and to Carly Jeen Andrews 2:06:57.560 --> 2:07:01.080 for our artwork. 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