1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Let's start by saying that most of the icons featured 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: on our podcast have multi decade careers, but this icon's 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: recent run and simple name recognition got our attention. Ultimately, 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: we had to include her in the lineup because in 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: a few short years, this woman has rewritten the music 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: industry's rule book by breaking rap records left and right 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: and paving a career unlike anyone else's. Today we're talking 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: all things Belgalis Marlenis al Mansar. 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Cardi, b in a Half. 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: He has another talent from the Bronx who played a 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: part in Bad Bunny's success, So it only seems fair 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: that we give her the flowers she also deserves. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: Who, like Jlo, also paved her own way. 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: The self made performer went from stripping in the club 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: to then becoming a full blown superstar better like how. 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: Well, Joseph. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: That's why we're here to help break it all down 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: from the poll to a global stage. This is a 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: woman who is changing the music game and igniting a 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: conversation about feminism for a whole new generation. 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: Uh oh, don't forget how about our feud with one 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: of rap's biggest names. 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: Oh trust me, we won't. 24 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: This is Becoming an Icon a look at Cardi B's 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: rise to a global stage. 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: I'm your host Lilianavosgaz. 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon a. 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on how 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: today's most famous LATINX stars have shaped pop culture. 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: And given the world some extress. 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: Leble, sit back and get. 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: Comfortable, because we are going in the only way we know. 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: How with when I'll be with usunesas, some esney and 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: a lot of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: on our journey to find out what makes them so iconic. 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two The Bronx. 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: Wait what month? 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: October? 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: The full date? 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: Ugh, October eleventh, nineteen ninety two. 41 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: Oh h let me peepeep beep btpepep. She is a 42 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: Levra's Sun, an Aries, Moon and an Aries Rising. Oh 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: my god, this explains so much, Walter focus. Okay, right 44 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: right back to the Bronx. 45 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: She was raised in the Bronx. Her dad is Dominican 46 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: and her mother is Trinidadian. But before we get into 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: the episode, I want to know how much he knew 48 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: about Cardi B. Before we started researching her for this episode. 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: I knew a lot of her memes and her me music, 50 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: but I didn't really know anything else before what about You. 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know her memes as much, and I knew 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot of her one liners, but I was actually 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: confused that they were attributed all to one person. I was, Oh, 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: that's a bunch of different people on from love and 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: hip hop. I didn't realize it was one brilliant mind 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: responsible for all of those one liners. And then obviously 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I knew her music, just because how do you not 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: know her music? But I tell you this, I did 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: not know a lot about Cardi B prior to the 60 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: really big collaborations, right, so, prior to the j Balvin collaborations, 61 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: prior to the Bruno Mars collaboration, Like, I did not 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: know anything. 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: About Cardi b mixtape era. That was all new to me. 64 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: Agreed. I knew the memes, and all of a sudden 65 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: she was like superstar exactly. 66 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: To be honest, for a long time, I didn't even 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: know why her stage name was Cardi B. 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: Wait, what's her real name? 69 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: Belle Galis Marlenis al Mansa. That's a mouthful. 70 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: That literally sounds like a spell from Harry Potter. 71 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: It does, but it can definitely be a lot to 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: say so. 73 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: Growing up, people gave her a nickname Macarty, like, you know, 74 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: that's what my friends call me when I was five 75 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: on the playground Tequila Tequila. 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: Lily, but Carti Cardi b Wow, her mind was the future. 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: I think it goes to prove that Carti has always 78 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: had a really good eye and ear when it comes 79 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: to branding herself. It's definitely one of the many reasons 80 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: why she cemented herself as an icon. 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: But in all fairness, it did take a while for 82 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: her to get there. 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: Growing up, she listened to artists like Missy Elliott, fifty 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: Cent and Jah Rule, and she was obsessed with another 85 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: outspoken and lovingly eccentric artist, Lady Gaga. 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: Cardi b the Little Monster Yo. I can totally see 87 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: it in the way she expresses herself now, in the 88 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: way she dresses. 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: She's even admitted to looking at god Go for fashion inspo, 90 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: but she's also cited Missy Elliott and becoming an icon 91 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: fashion queen Miss Jennifer Lopez I mean Affleck as additional inspo. 92 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: The taste, the Taste Cardi, we. 93 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: All want to know, how did we get here? 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: Well, I'm recording at my place and I'm assuming you 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: took a card to the Joseph. 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean in Carti's journey, how did she get from 97 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: the Bronx to being called the reigning Queen of Hip 98 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Hop by publications like Billboard and Entertainment Weekly, Oh, and 99 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: the Queen of Wrap by iHeartRadio, our Bosses, Love y'all 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: and Vanity Fair. You know, there's a lot of talent 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: out there, and people have been changing the game for 102 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: a long time. So what makes Carti one of the kind? 103 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: It's just like you're saying her attitude. 104 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: She grew up with her sister shout out Hennessy Carlino 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: in the Bronx, but I also spent a lot of 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: time in Washington. 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: Heights growing up. She was close to her Abuela, whom 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: she credits for her accent and well done. 109 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: She says she wasn't the best student and was in 110 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: and out of school, but then she found a way 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: to make money in a more, let's say, non traditional way. 112 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. The oppressed finding recompense from a 113 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: culture built on a foundation of misogyny and toxic masculinity 114 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: that encourages men to obfuscate when presented with opportunities to 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: express vulnerability. In Versity creates incentives to treat women's bodies 116 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: as products to be bid, bought, and sold, but most 117 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: importantly controlled. Well, that seems as traditional as apple pie. Sorry, 118 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: I went somewhere. 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: Back to Cardi, Okay, well, back to the podcast. 120 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: At only nineteen years old, she started her career as 121 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: a stripper. 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: Many of judges are for which, first of all, it's 123 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: very techy of y'all, but to each their own listen. 124 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Carti owned it. She saw a way to make a living, 125 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: and she took it. 126 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: She needed that money, honey. 127 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: She's gone on to call it a positive moment in 128 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: her life, saying it really saved me from a lot 129 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: of things. Stripping gave Carti financial freedom to escape poverty 130 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: and an abusive relationship, and to put herself through school. 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: Don't be out here judging haters. You build the life 132 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: you can with the tools you have. You don't have 133 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: to answer to no one but yourself. 134 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: Phreach, and Carti did what she had to do. 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: She recalls, when I first entered the strip club, I 136 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: was really shy. I felt really uncomfortable. I felt very ashamed. 137 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: There were times when I was crying, like, oh my gosh, 138 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: if my mom or dad found out, they'd be so humiliated. 139 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: But I needed the fucking money. 140 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: That attitude, you know, for her, that's where she harnessed it. 141 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, stripper's talk a certain way. The stripper 142 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: attitude is I'm not ashamed of being a stripper because 143 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of these bitches don't have shit. A lot 144 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: of these bitches don't have a place to stay, don't 145 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: have no car, can't afford this, can't afford that. During 146 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: an interview with Cosmopolitan, she admitted that quote. She doubts 147 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: the me Too movement will change much in the hip 148 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: hop world, especially for women whose sexuality is at the 149 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: forefront of their commercial appeal. She says, a lot of 150 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: video vixens have spoke about this, and nobody gives a fuck. 151 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: When I was trying to be a vixen and people 152 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: were like, you want to be on the cover of 153 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: this magazine, then they pull their dicks out. I bet 154 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: if one of these women stands up and talks about it, 155 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: people are going to say. 156 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: So what, you're a hoe, It don't matter. 157 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: Wait, I'm a hoe. No no you co Cardi. 158 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: And just two years after she started stripping, she became 159 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: a social media hit on both Instagram and Vine, rocking 160 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: up thousands of views and followers. 161 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Vine, A wait, macop to dead Vine. 162 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: I don't know her. 163 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Vine might have died, but it gave her 164 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: a career because people loved her vibe, her videos, and 165 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: her signature Cardi Tude, so much so that she earned 166 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: a spot on Love and Hip Hop New York. This 167 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: regular Degula Shmegula Go from the Bronx was making waves 168 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: on social media with her one million plus followers, so naturally, 169 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the execs behind the VH one show thought, let's bring 170 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: some of that, but Cardi flavor over here. According to 171 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: complex Is Dria Roland, VH one wanted to portray her 172 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: as a silly, exotic dancer languishing in a messy situationship. 173 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 1: This is what Cardi herself. 174 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: Had to say about the experience. 175 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: Yo, it's so crazy, Like the motherfuckers the producers really 176 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: doubted me. It's like, why would y'all doubt me? Like 177 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: I have seven hundred thousand, bajillion followers, she told The 178 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: Fader in February twenty sixteen. I'm telling them, like, yo, 179 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: I have a brand. I'm not even an artists and 180 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: I fill out clubs three thousand whatever the crap. 181 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 3: I filled them shits out. But they didn't care about that. 182 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: They just wanted to make me look as a stripper, 183 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: a struggling stripper. 184 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: I could totally hear Cardi in that. 185 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't do my best Cardi impression, 186 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: like no I could. 187 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: I could really hear her in that, though. I felt that. 188 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: I could see her doing the movements because so much, 189 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: so much of her delivery is like the physical delivery 190 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: of what she says, so animated. 191 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: So you watched the show, so I've watched Okay, wait 192 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: a minute, whoa. 193 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: Okay, hold on wait you are. 194 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: A Love and Hip Hop season one through six? 195 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: Or First of all, I will watch any reality TV. 196 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: People that know me know that there is nothing too 197 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: low brow for me to watch. 198 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: Wow. 199 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: I love television. 200 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: And this is obviously before I had a baby and 201 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: I had lots of hours in a day to spend 202 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: watching crappy TV. But I love reality and I I 203 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: love raw reality TV. I used to like the house. 204 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: You were a Jerry Springer girl? 205 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my. 206 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: God, Yes, and I loved like Mari, like Who's the Daddy? 207 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: I love all that shit, The messier the better, and 208 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: so yes. Occasionally I would watch Love and Hip Hop 209 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: and I had caught it early in the seasons, stopped 210 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: watching it, and then I actually got sent a link 211 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: to Cardi b on the show, and I was like, 212 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: who is this girl? And that's when I watched it 213 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: on VH one on the actual TV. But I remember 214 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: watching it and thinking, I just want a whole show 215 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: about her. If you watch housewives, you remember in real 216 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: house Lives of New York, you would watch scenes and 217 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: Bethany would be in them, and you would leave that 218 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: scene and be. 219 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. 220 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: I want a whole show just about Bethany. To me, 221 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Carti was the Bethany of Love and Hip Hop. You 222 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: just wanted more. And what I was saying about Carti 223 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: is the reason she popped on screen was obviously because 224 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: she's just got natural commie timing, but she's also very 225 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: physical in the way that she presents her thoughts and 226 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: ideas and who she is. And I always thought about 227 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: her and I think this is the ultimate compliment. I 228 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: see a lot of Lucille Ball in Carti what. 229 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone has ever made that connection 230 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: or said. 231 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: That in the world. 232 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: Am I alone here? 233 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: If you are a Lucile ball fan, which I am, 234 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: there is so much physical comedy to who she is. 235 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: Her face moves in a certain way, her body moves 236 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: in a certain way, she waits for the laughs, and 237 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: I see so much of Lucille in Carti. And I 238 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: could be the only person that has ever thought this 239 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: in my entire life, but that is what I thought when. 240 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: I watched her on for Love and Hip Hop Call. 241 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: Me Crazy, Listen, Carti is now definitely going to want 242 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: to chime in on the show because this is one 243 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: of the craziest things. Do you think that she could 244 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: have gotten anywhere without this exposure of the show? 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Yes, because I think that at that point in time, 246 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: she had such a huge loyal audience on Vine and 247 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: she was growing her numbers on Instagram that yes, I 248 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: don't think. I think it would have taken her a 249 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: little bit longer. I think that VH one gave her 250 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: more of an audience because people that maybe weren't on 251 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: social media in the same way that her audience was 252 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: might catch her on late night on VH one. 253 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: So I think she multiplied her audience by being on 254 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: Love and Hip Hop. 255 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: And I think she got to where she got faster, 256 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: but I don't think she necessarily needed it. 257 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: Well, the good news is she joined Love and Hip 258 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: Hop in season six and stayed for two seasons before 259 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: leaving to pursue her music career. 260 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: You know, most people on that show completely doubted her, 261 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: even her fake DJ Mann's in the series. 262 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: But guess what, CARTI didn't give a fuck. 263 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: She was too busy earning the show views and imparting 264 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: all of her cards wisdoms. 265 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: Her lines were iconic, y'all. 266 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: To this day, people always be quoting her. 267 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: I be quoting her like a hoe never gets cold. 268 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: I mean I can't. 269 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: I actually never get cold. 270 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: So I even own a sweater, Joseph, I do I 271 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: have a vest. 272 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: I have a vest, So. 273 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: You're like a half ho because you get cold half 274 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: the time. 275 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: It's true. 276 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: Now, if you go back and watch, there's a really 277 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: great YouTube link that has her greatest hits from the show. 278 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: She's pure comedy gold. 279 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: It's almost as if they had hired the best comedy 280 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: writers in Hollywood and the best actress to play this role. 281 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: But this was just Carti being Cardi, and the one 282 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: liners just flowed from. 283 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: She just has that. 284 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: She absolutely does, and even The New York Times has 285 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: credited her popularity on the show to her ability to 286 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: just rattle off these one liners. 287 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: But beyond that, she had already had this dream of 288 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: making it in the music business, and we see it 289 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: throughout the show. Yeah. 290 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: She made her music debut on a remix of a 291 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: Shaggy song, Boom Boom. 292 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: You remember Shaggy. 293 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: I have never heard of him. 294 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: I caught you listening to him the other day. 295 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: It was to me. 296 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: You were listening to him on the sofa. It was 297 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: me and you were singing it in the shower. 298 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't me. 299 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: I even have it on camera. 300 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: It wasn't me. 301 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: Right, listen, this song was fantastic. 302 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: It mixed up reggae with dancehall and Carti's trademark vocals. 303 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: A year later, she released her first official mixtape called 304 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Gangsta Bitch Music Volume One. Then then she even joined 305 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: the cast of BT's Being Mary Jane as Mercedes. But well, 306 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: the whole TV thing just wasn't doing it for Cardi anymore. 307 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: She was one hundred percent certain she wanted to stick 308 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: to music. 309 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: And odd she did because she has saved my workout playlists. 310 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: But to do that, she had to leave love and 311 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: hip hop New York. So she did and followed her 312 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: departure with Gangstavich Music Volume two, her second mixtape, and 313 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: that's when things really started to shift. 314 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: She was about to get that breakthrough baby. 315 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: She was even getting noticed by more global mainstream brands 316 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: like Matt Cosmetics. 317 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: She was attending events at New York Fashion Week? 318 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait wait? Are we going to talk 319 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: about her brawl with Nicki Minaj at New York Fashion Week? 320 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: That one time that somebody I know leaked the footage? 321 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: Are you kidding? 322 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: That moment went a viral online and guess who captured 323 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: the whole fight on their iPhone? That's me, because you 324 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: know I always get the exclusive. 325 00:16:53,080 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: That's one hundred my boo. 326 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: In late February of twenty seventeen, Cardi B signed with 327 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: her first major record label, Atlantic Records. 328 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: Oo. Our girl is on her way to becoming a star. 329 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Indeed, she was Joseph thanks in part to her love 330 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: for bloody shoes. Carti is the kind of performer that 331 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: feeds off other people's energy. 332 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: Wait, like an energy vampire. 333 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: No, like a hype woman. 334 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: Oh well, that's why she's a team player. She's always 335 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: making collapse at chart and that's just a fact. 336 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: After signing her contract with Atlantic Records, Carti started collaborating 337 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: with rappers like Little Kim. 338 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: And Remy Ma. 339 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: Let's get a boatac yella already, Okay. 340 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: I was just setting the scene. 341 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: Be patient, these expansive these is red bottom zesus bloody shoes. 342 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we're there, We're there. 343 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: On June sixteenth, twenty seventeen, Atlantic Records released Cardi B's 344 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: commercial debut single, Bodak Yellow. She performed the single on 345 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: The Wendy Williams Show and Jimmy Kimmel Live. Oh God, 346 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: take me back to Bodak Yello. The first time I 347 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: heard that song, this is terrible, but okay. So the 348 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: first time I heard it, I was like, it sounds 349 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: like Niki, but that's. 350 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 2: Not Nicki whoa. 351 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: Not the voice, but the tone and the delivery. There's 352 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: not that many female rappers. I can listen the monk 353 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: one hand right. So you've got Remy mag, Cardi B, 354 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: Lil Kim, and Nicki Minaj that are real artist when 355 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: it comes to rap that can rhyme like. 356 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 3: That, And I was like, this isn't Nikki. Who the 357 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: hell is this? It was Cardi. 358 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't Nicki because it just seemed a 359 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: little darker. There was just something more. I don't know 360 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: hardcore about the song, but it was definitely a bop. 361 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: It was definitely something that I wanted to hear, but 362 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: it did just feel a little heavier. 363 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 3: I think that's why people responded to it. 364 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: I think we had been served so much, for lack 365 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: of a better term, bubblegum rap from share from female EMCs. 366 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 3: And not that there's anything wrong with bubblegum rap. 367 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: I bopped that too, but I think for so long 368 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: our ear has listened more poppy rap from female EMCs. 369 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Right right, I missed the days of Miss c Ellie. 370 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: I love that and I think to hear her, especially 371 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: with her signature Cardi sound, it made everyone stop and listen, 372 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: which is exactly what you want when you are a 373 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: new artist. And not only did it make you stop 374 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: and listen, but then she hit you with that video 375 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: and then you stopped, you listened, and you watched. 376 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: You stopped, listened and got lubitons. 377 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: Well, if you could afford them. 378 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: I know. 379 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: The song generated a two hundred and seventeen percent spike 380 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: in search traffic for Christian lubatant shoes and get this, 381 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: four point five million dollars in media value according to 382 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: Business of Fashion. So if people were questioning whether Carti 383 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: could make it and whether or not Carti was going 384 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: to be big, their questions stopped right here because the 385 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: song climbed the charts for months on end. 386 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: It even reached the number one spot on the Billboard 387 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: Hot one hundred chart that year. 388 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: It made Cardi b the first female rapper to do 389 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: so with a single since nineteen ninety eight, when Lauren 390 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: Hill's duop that thing. 391 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: Wait what happened to Lauren? That album was amazing. 392 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: The miseducation of Lauren Hill. That is my freshman year 393 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: of college. I would do an entire podcast on that album, 394 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: can we? 395 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: But wait there's more. She also became the first person 396 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: of Dominican descent to reach number one in her story 397 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: of the Hot one hundred since it launched in nineteen 398 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: fifty eight. That's insane. 399 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was even tying with your miss Taytay the 400 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: number one spot with look what you made me? 401 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: Do you leave the Reputation Era out of this? 402 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I don't want to fight you or the Swifties, 403 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: well unless I have Cardi on my side. But back 404 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: to Carti. Soon enough, she was everywhere. I'm pretty sure 405 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: everyone and their mamas and baba's were listening to Bodak Yellow. 406 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: It was a rap anthem of the summer. Lubton should 407 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: have been paying her for the deal. I wonder if 408 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: she gets unlimited Lubtons. 409 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Well, she can buy unlimited lubatons now, so it does 410 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: not matter. 411 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: She doesn't even need them for free anymore. 412 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: That song went on to receive nominations for Best Rap 413 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: Performance and Best Rap Song at the sixtieth Grammy Awards. 414 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: It also won Single of the Year at the twenty 415 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: seventeen be Et Hip Hop Awards. 416 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 2: Vindication take that Chance the. 417 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: Rapper No, I love chance? 418 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so do I, but just felt good. 419 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: Then she dropped Motorsport and No Limit, and soon she 420 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: was the first female rapper to land her first three 421 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: entries in the top ten of the Hot one hundred, also. 422 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: The first female artist to achieve the same on the 423 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: Hot R and B hip hop chart. 424 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: She went on to headline and Power one oh five 425 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: point one's annual Powerhouse music celebration, where she met Mi 426 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: Gos you. 427 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: Mean her baby Daddy and future heavy Offset for those 428 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: wanting the tea. According to a magazine, not much as 429 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: known about their first meeting. 430 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: But Carti has said they first met at an industry 431 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: event and Offset pursued her. He was very consistent, Cardi 432 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: said in a video on our Twitter account recapping the 433 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: night they met. He really wanted to talk to. 434 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 2: Me and they're still together. My heart. 435 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: Did you know that Offset and Carti actually got secretly married? 436 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, like benefit. 437 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: Yup, right before they announced her first pregnancy. But we'll 438 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: get into all that very soon. 439 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: Carti's for success was simple, keep up the collabs. Wait, 440 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: didn't you do a song with Osuna? 441 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: See she also collaborated with another Bodikua. 442 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: Well half Bodikua. 443 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: Okay, well my people claim him either way. I'm talking 444 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: about Bruno Mars. 445 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Cardi b was featured in the remix of Finesse, 446 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: appearing in the music video, but also went on to 447 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: release Please Meet. 448 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: Later on, they were charting like crazy all of it, 449 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: making Cardi B the first woman to have five top 450 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: ten singles simultaneously on the Billboard Hot R and B 451 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: Hip Hop Songs charts. 452 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: After all of these collabs, wasn't you ready to drop 453 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: her own album? 454 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: She was? Invasion of Privacy was released on April sixth, 455 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, to universal acclaim. Before we get into the album, 456 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: as promised, we got to talk about New York Fashion Week. 457 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: Oh shit, Nicki versus Carti bing bing B. 458 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: Nicki versus Carti ing bing B. 459 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: For those of you guys who don't know, Lilliana is 460 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: fucking everywhere and she just so happened to be there 461 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: at the night of this fight. 462 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So I was covering the red carpet at the 463 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: Harper's Bizarre Icons event, which. 464 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: Is no big deal, no big d eel. 465 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: It's one of the most well attended and well respected 466 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: events during New York Fashion Week. 467 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: It happens every year. 468 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: It features all of the icons from their Icons issue, 469 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: and let's just say it's a very classy affair. This year, 470 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: it happened to be at the Plaza Hotel, and somehow 471 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: both Carti and Nicki weren't just invited but were within 472 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: minutes of each other during arrivals. On the red carpet, 473 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: I interviewed both women. I can tell you this, They 474 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: were both in great spirits. Carti's interview with me was 475 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: so sweet. She was raving about being a new mom. 476 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: She seemed really peaceful, honestly, And what was she wearing? 477 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: Like? What did she look like? Oh? 478 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: God, she looked gorgeous. 479 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: It was a big red carpet moment for her because 480 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: she was in Dulchangabana cauture head to toe. She had 481 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: on all of these beautiful jewelry pieces, the gorgeous necklace, 482 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: had these big earrings, and then she had this beautiful 483 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: red dress. It was almost kind of very Flamento inspired, 484 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: lots of ruffles, and she looked very regal. She stepped 485 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: up her fashion game for this night by Iconic. Yeah, 486 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: well it's called Bizarre Icons and she was working with Dulceangabana. 487 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: And listen, whatever your opinion is of Dulchangabana, point is 488 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: they dressed Cardi beautifully that night. But more so than 489 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: how she looked, she gave me this feeling that was 490 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: just softer, And I asked her about that on the 491 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: carpet I said, how has motherhood changed you? 492 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: And she said so many ways. 493 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm just more at peace, I'm more relaxed, like I 494 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: just want to be with my baby. It was a 495 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: very different version of Carti than I think the public 496 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: expected of her. Well fast forward minutes later, that's four 497 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: minutes later, and what happens the brawl to end all brawls. 498 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 3: Nicki and Carti had beef. 499 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: We all know this, right they did, and in the beginning, 500 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: and then it escalated because Nicki was being a little 501 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: shady about Carti being a mom. She was liking tweets 502 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: on Twitter and on Instagram, liking posts that basically said 503 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: that Carti was a bad mom. And I can tell 504 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: you this as a mom. Don't come for me, and 505 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: don't talk shit about me as a mom, and worse, 506 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: don't talk shit about my kid. And Carti had had enough, 507 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: and I think when she saw Nicki in a small 508 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: room close to her, she lost it. 509 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: It was like the stripper locker room all over again. Bitch. 510 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I think Carti was like, you've 511 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: been saying all this shit about me. Now you're in 512 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: a small room with me. I'm going to let you 513 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: know exactly how I feel. And I think we can 514 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: all agree that if there's one thing that Carti is 515 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: not going to do, it is mint or hide how 516 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: she feel. 517 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: She is out there. 518 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: So I happen to hear some commotion, so I ran 519 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: from the carpet to right. 520 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: Below the second floor where you could see. 521 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: He called your camera man right away. Okay, first of all, 522 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: held my hand. I was not wasting time with a 523 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: camera crew. I was like, oh, no, something is about 524 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: to go down. You just have this feeling, you have 525 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: intuition as a journalist, like something is about to happen. 526 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 1: So I whip out my iPhone, I aiming up, and 527 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: Carti's ass just happens to be right on top of me, 528 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: like you can exposed ass, like exposed ash. 529 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: The skirt of the dress tour right. 530 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, So she was in a little bit of like 531 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: a scuffle the dress tour. So she was just in 532 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: her spanks underwear and Colin Carter, her stylist, is standing 533 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: right next to her, grabs the dress or try and 534 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: cover her back up, and then you see Cardi bend 535 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: down and you're like, what is she doing? Girl was 536 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: taking off her shoe to throw it at Nicky's face, 537 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: threw her shoe. In the video you see her throw 538 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: the shoe. And then that's not all. Cardi's no bitch. 539 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: She charges at Nicki and then never gets to Nicki 540 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: but runs into Nicki's security team, who bops her in 541 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: the head. And then you're like, wait what And all 542 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, people are screaming. You see Cardi's publicist screaming, 543 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I'm going to run to the 544 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: staircase because there's only one way in and one way out. Listen, 545 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: I know how to get a story, man. So I 546 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: run to the staircase because I'm like, there's only one 547 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: way for her to leave. There's literally one exit. So 548 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: I stand at the bottom of the exit, and within 549 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: thirty seconds I see two security guards coming down, and 550 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: then who appears but Cardi. B Right, she appears, huge 551 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: bump on her head, a big giant welt, no earrings, 552 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: and I say that for a reason, okay, And she's 553 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: got her head held up high. She gets escorted out, 554 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: and then all of the commotion, which is all about 555 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: stop filming cameras down, no cameras. 556 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: Do you think I listened? 557 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: Obviously, not. That's how we got some major footagee. 558 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: Bad Zobe got the footage. So she gets escorted out, 559 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: Nicky stays at the party. I don't see Nicki leave 560 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: until maybe an hour later. But it was a scuffle. 561 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: I am telling you. 562 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: There has never been a fight or a brawl like 563 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: that at any Bizarre Icons event. 564 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: It was insanity. 565 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: That is amazing, and I'm just so glad that you 566 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: were there and got to see it. I feel it 567 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: wasn't premeditated, only because she was dressed up with those 568 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: earrings and all of that. 569 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: So I love that you think that some fancy ascatur 570 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: is gonna stop Carti from being Carti. You clearly don't 571 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: know our girl, Belle galis. If Carti had some scores 572 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: to settle, she was about to get them. On Invasion 573 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: of Privacy, listen, Carti is sensitive. She may seemingly let 574 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: things slide, but she's admitted that a lot of what 575 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: people and people online say does get to her. 576 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: So when she gets on that mic, girl addresses what 577 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: she's heard. You heard. This wasn't just collapse. This was 578 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: Cardi b telling the world that she wasn't going anywhere. 579 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: Invasion of Privacy was a hip hop record, but it 580 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: also included trap, Latin drop, and R and B sounds. 581 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: It featured vocals from Me Goes Chance, the rapper Kalanie Sizza, 582 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: twenty one, Savage YG and J Belvin Gone Bad Bunny. 583 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: It became the most on demand audio streaming week ever 584 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: for an album by a female artists. It also opened 585 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: the door for an unapologetic expression of culture. Carti an 586 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: artists who followed her wouldn't have to water themselves down 587 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: to appeal to the general market. 588 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: The title itself also sent. 589 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: A message, Yes, Carti has a public persona, and yeah 590 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: she built her brand on social media, but it's still 591 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: got to be on her terms. 592 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: She chooses what or what she doesn't want to share. 593 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: Girls entitled to some privacy, so get up out of 594 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: her business. 595 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: If you're a hot item, the tabloids know no boundaries, 596 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: kind of like a Latino household d D. Let me 597 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: live my life and Carti is smart and strategic. She 598 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: knows how to always stay one step ahead of the press. 599 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: Rmor started swirling that she was expecting her first baby 600 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: with Offset. She went on SNL and put an end 601 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: to the rumors by showing off her beautiful bomb right 602 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: in the middle of her performance. 603 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: Looking fire and very innocent and maternal. 604 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: I am, I add but if you thought a baby 605 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: in her belly was going to stop her conquest of 606 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: the biz, think again. 607 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: The fourth single off the album. 608 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: I like dollars, I like diamonds, I like stunning, I 609 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: like shining. 610 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: I like million dollar deals. Where's my bend, bitch? I'm signing? Wait, 611 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: can we sign a. 612 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: Million dollar please? I heart it. 613 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: I like it was about to change everything we talked about. 614 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: I like it back in the Bad Bunny episodes. 615 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: Episode two for those of you taking notes, and if 616 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: you missed it, make sure you go back and listen. 617 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 3: This song was everywhere. 618 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: It's a legacy defining hit, and you know it is 619 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: because you're probably singing it right now. 620 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: I like those Balan the ones that looked like. 621 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 3: Sucks flexing on bitches as hard as I can eat. 622 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 3: The lamb told that bitch. I'm sorry though, about my 623 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: coins like. 624 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: Mario, Yeah, they call me Cardi b I run this 625 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: shit like Cardio. 626 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: That song is just so good. 627 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: Are we gonna have to pay to use that? Because 628 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: I sounded so much late? 629 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: Literally, I was like, dude, is Cardi on right now? 630 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 3: Wait, did we just invite Cardi into the studio? 631 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: She's going to be here. She totally is okay. So 632 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: did you like the album? Yes? Or no? God? 633 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: Is that even a question? It was so good and 634 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: just her lines in it. Who raps about eating fucking Hallal? 635 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: Someone who lived in the Bronx bitch there. 636 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: I always wondered with that line, like, did my friends 637 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: in Texas listening to that go eating Hallal? 638 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: Hey? Google, what's Hallal eating Halal? Driving the lamb a lamb? 639 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: Because here's and you know what I love about that line. 640 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: It's first of all, just poetic. But I love the 641 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: mix of highbrow and lowbrow. And that is why Cardi 642 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: is so authentic in everything that she does. Because she 643 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: is going to roll up to the Halal guys on 644 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: fifty first and sixth. 645 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 2: Avenue in her Fendy Firs Verstachi. 646 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: In her in her Versachi furs, dripping in Jacob the Jeweler, 647 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: and she's going to step out and buy Halal and 648 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: then eat the Halal in the neon green Lamborghini. 649 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 3: I love her, Am I wrong? No, No, Everything about 650 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 3: that album was just born to be. 651 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: Everything every touches turns to gold. 652 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Carti had a Midas touch, so much so that 653 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: even Maroon five wanted in. 654 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: Oh, I have a quote from them, Adam Levine said, 655 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: and I quote, it is truly unreal how fucking hot 656 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: you are. It truly blows my mind. 657 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 3: Wait, Joseph, I don't think that was about the song 658 00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 3: they did with. 659 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 2: Car Oh, I didn't say it. 660 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: Was girls like you made it onto the Hot one 661 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: hundred and the music video received more than three billion views. 662 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: Then she received the most nominations at the twenty eighteen 663 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: MTV Video Music Awards twelve to be exact, including Video 664 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: of the Year, and she took home three awards. A 665 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: few years earlier, Carti was just a woman from the 666 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: Bronx waiting for a big break, trying to find a path, 667 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: And now here she is dominating the VMAs. 668 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: And opening doors for other badass low mama fitas out there. 669 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: Cardi b has paved the way for so many of 670 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: today's top female rap artists, Doja Cat Lizzo, Meganie Stallions. 671 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of Yes, Yes, we are going to be discussing 672 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: the song that cemented Cardi as a musical sensation. 673 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 2: On that wop wop woah on. 674 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 3: The next Becoming an Icon. 675 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael 676 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Guda podcast Network. 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