WEBVTT - The Unsent Tweet Folder 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.760 You are now listening to Waiting on Reparation A production. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:14.080 I heart radio A. What is going on? Might check? 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.959 The mic sounds nice, the mic sounds nice, and I 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.520 got some lights that's may have been true at some 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.919 point in my life. Let's be a dope of knife 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.840 and he's the dope of knife and I'm drinking some 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.840 wine that didn't want that didn't rhyme at all. Are 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:33.840 you doing? Are you doing? I'm good, I'm good. What's 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.120 going on? Everybody? You're listening to Waiting on Reparations? The 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.479 show where we talk about hip hop, politics and the 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.840 things in between, ship that connects them, YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:44.320 You know the whole drill. You know the whole drill. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.080 So it has been quite a week going. And I 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.000 woke up on I think it was like Saturday or Friday, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.240 might even been Sunday. But I woke up one of 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.840 these days and I looked on Twitter. The fucking World 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:03.600 War three was trended. So I was just like, oh, ship, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.600 and what the hell is going on? And it's kind 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.040 of is it the water Wars? I mean, finally fighting 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:13.160 over you know, basic human rights and resources? Well, I mean, 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.680 I don't know if that's no, that's not it yet, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:21.040 that that's gonna be Damn, that's crazy, that like kind 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.240 of on the brink. But it ain't even about it said, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.080 it's not even the resource wars yet. But anyway, so 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:31.080 long story short for Lehman's uh, that's all I am. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.880 But um, Russia is building up it's true presence with 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.920 over a hundred thousand troops on the border of the Ukraine, 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.880 and it's got a lot of international figures pretty much 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:49.280 expecting that Russia is going to invade the Ukraine. The 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.400 Ukrainian president recently, just like I think a few hours ago, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.320 gave a speech to the citizens of the Ukraine just 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.440 kind of trying to calm their fears and let them 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:06.200 he's he's telling the Ukrainians that the invasion is not imminent, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.880 so you know, he's doing his due diligence of calming down. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:15.840 As here's President Biden um had a press conference recently 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.760 where he was explaining the situation and what he says 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.840 the US stances, and people were saying it was kind 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.480 of a blunder, but I didn't really I didn't really 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.240 see it that way. But pretty much what Biden was 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.760 saying is Look, there's parts of Ukraine that consider themselves 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.240 to be Russian, you know what I mean, and they 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:44.480 actually want the Russians so department. So you know, he's 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.440 saying if if what Russia does is they go in 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:53.440 and they like annexed those parts. I mean, yeah, it's 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.600 not it's not what the US wants. But what are 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.239 you supposed to do? You're gonna like start, you know 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.560 what I mean? Like that's what he called like a 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.880 minor incursion. When I get, I get, I understand what 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.920 he means in that, I don't understand what is about 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.200 that is like what we it's supposed to be like, no, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.880 whatever they do, we're going to war? Like is that 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:16.799 supposed to be so? Like? So, I mean pretty much. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.560 You know the Hawks are trying to get Biden too, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.840 you know, go all in with ridiculous sanctions that I 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.480 guess you know, if you read it a certain way, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.560 would mean war or would baccarush into a corner. It 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.520 doesn't look like that's what the White House policy is, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.760 but either way, it's It's got enough people tweeting about 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.040 World War three and the start of World War three 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.760 that I kind of wanted to know what your thoughts 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.600 were just on that general issue, because we didn't get 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.240 to touch on it last week, but we wanted to. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.760 I don't know, man, I'm so caught up trying to 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.760 stay alive in this bitch man, this this is crazy. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.960 We're gonna get into a lot this week. But I mean, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.440 I didn't actually know. I mean, I guess I was 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.760 vaguely familiar of the fact that there were portions of 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.720 the Ukraine that do consider themselves to be Russian, and 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.280 I think that does raise really interesting implications for what's happening, 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.000 particularly with regards to the US's involvement and really trying 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.600 to protect their interests potentially in the region more so 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.360 than like necessarily m advancing the interests of the people 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.640 who live in those regions of the Ukraine. Yeah, that's 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.119 something I think, Well, well, it's kind of a given 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.600 given US foreign policy, but like, I mean, yeah, I mean, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.440 it's it's one of those situations that I feel is 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.600 like actually quite nuanced, you know what I'm saying. I 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.040 don't know exactly what the perception of it is in 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.760 leftist circles, but you know, I know there is a 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.839 school of thought that you know, people kind of have 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.920 like World War two brain where it's just automatically assumed, well, 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.560 if Vladimir Putin takes over these parts of the Ukraine 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.760 or even goes into the parts of Ukraine that definitely 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.680 don't want them in there, that it's a definite sign 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.640 of like expansionists ambitions, you know what I mean, and 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.880 that if you let him do this, then what's gonna 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.039 stop him? But I don't necessarily know if that's the case, 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.360 you know what I mean. I mean, I don't I 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.920 don't think that's a given. Yeah, I don't think everybody 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.680 is like on a world domination Hitler tip, you know 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.000 what I mean. But at the same time, you know, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.440 like China and Ukraine and Russia like running war game simulations, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.920 you know what I mean, on some on some real 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.440 like set in the stage ship there is there is 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.640 the big you know, the elephant in the room, which 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:37.200 is like in the modern world, are two superpowers actually 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.360 gonna go to war over the Ukraine? I personally don't 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.080 see it, you know what I'm saying. I mean, they 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.159 shot my fucking friends Ferdinand. Yeah, but that was back 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.200 in so much. This is so much because I mean, look, man, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.520 if if if we were. If things improved, I would 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.040 if anything, the military industrial complex has been become far more. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.159 I wouldn't say things have improved, but much more. Or 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.599 is at steak, And that's what a lot of people 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.520 don't consider, Like you know, even eys gonna even in 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.080 fucking drones and kill all their children, like you, first 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.760 of all, this is like, I mean, it's steak for us. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.760 After all, our troops are safe, God bless you. There's 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.320 eleven year old fire bomb, you know, So first you 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.360 gotta you gotta take it from the standpoint of let's 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.000 say that the nukes are off the table, right, which 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.279 if if two superpowered nuclear powers got into a war, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.440 I mean, that's like mutually assured destruction if we're talking nukes. 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.039 But even if we're not talking nukes, let's say, let's 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.160 just say there's like a general agreement, Hey, we're gonna 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.360 go in the war and no one's gonna use nukes. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.320 Are not going to turn this into a cold war situation. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.480 We're just gonna have a conventional war with each other 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.159 and ship like that. Like that's the end of the 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.039 world too, you know what I mean, Like, and you 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.720 know what, I don't know if you've seen don't look 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.159 up yet. There's been a lot of don't look up discourse. Okay, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.080 So like it can apply to so many scenarios. So 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.240 you know, motherfucking Lockheed Martin and rape Theon and Haliburton 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.320 are like, you know, like slobbering and chopping up the 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.880 bit like, oh, yeah, we pulled out of Afghanistan. All 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.400 these private contractors and Blackwater motherfucker's are like my stock 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.720 prices are falling, so they're like super stock that we 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.760 might go into another war to just to benefit their 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.480 goddamn bottom line, sacrificing the lives of our you know, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:25.600 military service people, um you know how many countless casualties, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.400 but in the Ukraine and other regions, you know, because 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.960 like oh we can't, you know, we can't. We can't 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.640 avert disaster. We gotta make sure, like our shareholders. If 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.840 this was like the usual type of war scenarios that 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.920 we've been doing for the last thirty years, where it's 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:45.200 with countries that don't stand a chance of like bringing 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.720 that shipped to our shores, then yeah, like yeah, the 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.920 Lockheed Martin guys, yeah, you know what I'm saying. But 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:57.440 a war with Russia and like China and ship. Yeah, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.880 like people don't. I literally don't think they care. I 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.000 they could. I think they could even be like in 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:07.120 their private boardroom meeting, uh you know, doing cocaine off 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.800 of a glass table or whatever, like well you know 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.840 there is a chance of mutually a destruction. They were like, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.440 but I could become a trillionaire. Yeah, but that's that's 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.280 like they don't give a fun. I mean, you know what, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.640 I agree, they don't give a fuck. Like I don't 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.280 know if I don't. I'm not putting the I'm not 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.720 saying that they don't wouldn't want this because they're like 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.800 good guys and they give a fuck. But just like 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.000 that creates a scenario where there's nowhere to spend your money, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.600 you know what. I'm like, people don't even even world 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.640 left exactly, even if you even if we want to 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:48.920 bring it home and let's like take the Russia element 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.720 out of this and just like focus on our own 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.960 domestic ship. You know how we've been talking about the 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.000 January six stuff and talk of civil war and civil insurrection. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:03.199 Even if America itself were to like experience some like 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.720 like serious extreme widespread political violence that like toward the 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.080 country apart. The world is fun. America provides most of 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.760 the world's food, you know what I mean, like these 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.000 like like like like like the when the superpowers are 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.400 getting into it, I'm gonna need to see your research 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.560 on that. Let's let's look that up. Let's look that up. Bro. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.000 If like a fucking nuke drops in the middle of Montana, 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.480 they're just gonna use that as an opportunity for disaster capitalism, 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.480 privatize all the services, like leave people to you know, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.920 just you know, be languishing on rooftops trying to wave 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.640 down helicopters while their skin melts up from radio action, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:50.120 radioactivity pulsing through their bloodstreams, and some guy's gonna make 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.280 money off of it, and like, oh, we'll have a 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.720 national day of morning and like you know, there's a 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.040 hashtag will trend and let just leave everyone to die for. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.079 So the four country the four countries that produce the 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.160 most food are China, India, the US, and Brazil. Bro. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.400 So yeah, China, India, come on now, I'm come on, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.640 I'm saying, I'm saying, Okay, we're in the top five. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.439 All right, we in the top five that I will 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.920 concede I mean, I mean, all I'm saying is that 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.920 this this particular situation in the Ukraine. The reason that 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.120 I don't think it's gonna get hot personally, and like, okay, 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.040 so we're even we're jumping the gun on this, you 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.520 don't even think it's gonna get like that. I don't. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.760 I don't think it's gonna get to I mean, I'm 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.160 just I'm just stating the reasons why I don't think 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.480 it's gonna get hot, because like if it were to 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.960 get hot between the players that are involved in this, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.800 it's like game set match, Like everything's done, you know 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.960 what I mean, Like everything's done. Everything that everybody's fighting for, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:53.160 everybody's individual issues that everybody's over. That ships out the window. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.520 But you know what I mean, and I don't and 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.000 that goes for everybody, whether you're on the right side 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.319 of ship or the left side of ship or in between. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.920 Like everybody's ship is done. The world has like a 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.240 whole new thing to deal with. If that's the case. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.240 And with that, that's why I don't think the the 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.680 usual powers that be necessarily want that to go down. Yeah, 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.839 you know what I'm saying, Like that's that's a bit too, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.640 Cobra commander, like the world will be destroyed. It will 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:30.120 be that's just imagining. I'm just imagining if like yeah, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:31.760 like I was saying, like a new drop in the 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:37.280 middle of like Sam Sacramento, Like what fucking Jinsaki would say, like, well, 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.960 you know, just hit the gym, have a mark, you know, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.920 place the whortle. It'll be okay, get back to work on. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.000 What do you say do kickboxing? Kickboxing? Alright, so what 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.600 do you what are we talking about? What I just 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.120 wanted to touch on that. So this so this week, 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.760 my Twitter followers, what we're called that, I made a 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:02.319 pack to unleash my un sense tweet folder um and 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.520 a cathartic move to sort of process some of what 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.000 has been happening in the local political scene. And so, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:15.319 in lieu of trying to adhere to the character limit 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.800 on Twitter to tell you about some of the function 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.680 that's been happening behind the scenes in local politics, I've 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:25.280 decided to unload a lot of those um fun reminiscences 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.480 on this week's episode of the podcast, and as well 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.480 talking a little bit about what the broader implications are 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.360 for these things in politics generally and what kind of 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.599 the questions it raises that we can consider in a 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.360 variety of context. Okay, yeah, so we're gonna be back 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:49.600 with that after the jump. Okay, so we are back 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.720 and we're gonna get into this. So Mariah, you know 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.560 we're you're talking about the unset tweets and you know 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.640 that people who've been following you on Twitter, they know 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.400 what's up. So why don't you explain to the listeners 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.640 exactly what the set up for the scenario and what 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.320 we're about to do. Is sure, I'll give a you know, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.200 a brief introduction into how we even got to where 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:13.000 we are to today with the current political turmoil around redistricting, 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.480 which you know, let's start nationally and kind of zoom 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.880 in so you know, with the denial census count, it 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.440 then requires us to UM shift around what our districts 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.400 look like at the federal, state, local level UM in 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.040 order to ensure that one vote for one person, you know, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:35.040 equal representation, etcetera. So as you under as you imagine 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.319 as a part of UM, you know, the fascist attempts 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.320 at taking over and consolidating their power and government. A 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.600 lot of places that are currently Republican held that are 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.760 trending blue places like Georgia. They're attempting to you know, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:52.040 dilute progressive voting power by using gerrymandering to um create 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.600 district maps that ensure them you know, black folks, young 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.800 folks really, you know, high highly compacted urban areas you 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.920 know don't have the same say as folks in rural areas. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.200 And so you know it comes around every ten years. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.880 So we ourselves here in Athens have the opportunity to 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.960 recommend a map of the local county commissions districts to 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.920 the Stay House Legislature for approval UM. And so you know, 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.320 we have some guidelines that we had to adhere to, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.640 trying to get it within a certain um distribution so 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.000 that you know, no district has too many more, too 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.160 too many less voters in another district to ensure that 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.120 you know, one person, one vote, principal um. You know, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.640 basic fairness. You know, no UM, no cracking or packing 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.360 of um of communities of color, So you can't like 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.880 split the community of color in half in order to 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.880 divalute their vote, or pack communities of color together to 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.480 ensure that they don't influence surrounding districts and then risk 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.160 getting representation that is fair for them, um you know, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.720 passed with a subsequent election. So make sure you know, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.480 communities of interests and communities of color are kept together 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.800 as well. Another basic guiding principle is that you don't 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.160 you know, you don't. You want to have minimal disruption 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.440 to sitting in company. So the folks that were Democratic 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.080 elected in the last voting cycle kind of wanna leave 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.680 them alone, leave them in their districts, kind of build 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.120 it around, right. So we worked with our local Board 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.080 of Elections office to create maps that did all of 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.440 these things, and they did. They did an excellent job 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.080 on a very tight timeline. A part of the Republican 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.640 strategy in order to send everything into chaos was releasing 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.560 our census data like five months late, so that we 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.960 didn't even have the numbers on how the population had 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.680 changed to make maps until like two or three months 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.160 before we had to get it to the state House legislature. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.320 So on a very tight turnaround, our Board of Elections 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.200 office and our mapping staff you know, came together with 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.840 the maps. But they were great, and they were pretty good. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.640 You know, like, hey, they ain't you know, shipsh it 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.080 around too much. Got that distribution protected those communities like 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.360 they were supposed to according to principles, but in order 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:03.160 for it to be considered by the Republican state legislature, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.240 it had to have the unanimous consent, the unanimous approval 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.680 of the local county commission. Right. So a couple of 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:17.120 like sleeper self Republicans on the commission, Democrats formerly including 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:21.520 the former interim executive director of the Georgia Democratic Party, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.640 just like wordlessly or with very little cover, just voted 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.400 against the map, effectively showing that they're in full collusion 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.440 with you know, Republicans. These new districts of the Republicans 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.440 had drawn consolidate their power such that getting them out 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.880 of office would be incredibly difficult. Um. And so they 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.880 sitting back, sitting pretty feeling good about the fact that 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.720 the progressives who have come in and you served, their 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.440 power are going to be out soon, and that they 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.360 themselves have protected from you know, the will of the 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.760 people out seeing them for naturally representing or trying to 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.360 fight for what the people need. So that's where we're 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.000 at right now. It's um, it's been it's been a lot, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.800 been a lot down here, a lot of turmoil, and 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:11.280 so that caused me to then revisit my unsent weep 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.000 folder on Twitter and pick out some of the spicy 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.720 stories that I wanted so much to tell people about, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.960 but I've kept to myself in the name of you know, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:26.720 getting along and you know, seeing Kumbaya, etcetera. But you know, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.280 I got nothing for smoke with these people now, so 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.199 I'm excited to reveal to the world some of the 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.679 behind the scenes stuff that um I have zipped my 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.960 lips about over the years. And once started with one 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.480 of my favorite stories of Alison right um so back 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.960 might have even been Honestly, some of her only black 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.680 constituents came to me for help getting their street name 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.920 changed after Ariel thump Acalaway, young woman think four years 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.280 old when she was shot and killed, also eight months 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.720 pregnant back in the summer of two thousand nineteen. So 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.199 they wanted to change the street to thumb Ab in 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.800 honor of her. Um So I helped out, you know, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.120 like help me get the process started with the petition 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.080 and working with the planning department, et cetera. And when 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.520 Alison found out, she was super pissed because once again 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.840 I usurped her authority and Um straight up asked. He. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.160 I was like, well, why do you think your black 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.200 instituents are coming to me and not you, which did 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.879 not make her any happier. But it makes sense to 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.600 me now because as a part of that process, she 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.040 at some point along the way decided that dumb app 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:38.560 was not an appropriate name to change the street too, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:44.120 and so she made an alternate suggestion against the wishes 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.520 of the deceased woman's mother, who like, literally I was 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.040 out of it. I saw her. She like grabbed me 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.080 by the shirt and was like, you gotta make a 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.720 thumb app right, We gotta make that happen, despite the 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.240 fact Alison was trying to push this ship through against 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.040 her wishes and Um at the one point I was 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.600 out to, you know, dinner drinks with one of the 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.679 organizers evolved and he said to me, Allison would probably 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:11.840 like something have better if it had hard arm and Uh. Anyway, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.159 the new district takes all those black people out of 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:19.280 her district. It's now something white, which I'm sure she 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:24.080 is incredibly glad about. And this lady like Jesus so 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:30.400 like she she. Um was really pissed also late late 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:35.040 last year about the fact that the commissioners had requested, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.800 um a raise for ourselves. Could we only make like 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.000 fifteen grand a year? I end up spending like thirty 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.400 forty hours a week on this. Um, I've just been 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.520 incredibly broke um since I left my job at the 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.399 University Georgia. So like, whatever, you know, just bring it 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.720 up to a living wage. We gave everybody else a 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.560 living wage, only people in the government not making living wage. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.320 Let's just bring it up to something fair, right. So 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.960 she was upset about this because she's rich and doesn't care, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.479 and so she went to like a bridebart adjacent like 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:11.120 state newspaper and was complaining to them like, wham a landlord, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.280 my job so hard, I exploit unners for passive income. Well, 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.200 I'm so busy being a mother, Like her son isn't 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:23.200 a whole ass adult. And she even told us that 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.320 he was downtown on May thirty one when the cops 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:31.160 tear gas the folks peacefully occupying College Square. So her 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:36.520 being somewhat of a raggedy back the blue as person, Um, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.840 I don't know how much about time they really spend together. Um, 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.920 but yeah, not great, not a great person in general. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.760 And then we got my campy who people don't know 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.080 this about a year and a half ago killed our 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.280 attempts to buy an apartment building for the homeless behind 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.919 closed doors, UM just complaining about how expensive it was 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.760 gonna be, and then the following summer last summer just 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.560 walked out of discussions about homelessness out of retreat, didn't 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.600 even bother to you know, sit there and listen to 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.600 staff discuss our options for what we can do to 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.760 deal with the fact that like two hundred people in 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:17.520 the city are sleeping outside, not to mention the easily 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.199 thousands that are sleeping on couches like hotels. We've been 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.880 in the cars that like, you know, they're not unsheltered entirely, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.080 but they still don't have a house place to live. So, 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.920 you know, last year, my colleague and I, Jessie who 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.840 put together this resolution calling for all sorts of UM 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.000 interventions to help people get and stay housed, including the 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:41.439 creation of UM sanction homeless encampment. First step, that's got 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.800 a bunch of wrapping around services, got like you know, 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.800 medical folks and social worker folks, etcetera that come there 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.160 and help people and they'll give you a tent. There's 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.440 like you know, a little warming things and all that. 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.720 Um So, even after killing our attempt to get a hotel, 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.600 not participating in discussions about homelessness at our treats, not 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.159 showing up to the retreats at all, or most of 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.760 the meetings. Frankly, one time Allison and him got caught 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.679 coming out of mellow mushroom as the rest of us 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.800 left City Hall after a meeting. So after just all 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:18.240 that negligence and abandonment of you know, dereliction of duty 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:20.840 when it came to the meeting we're supposed to approve 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.199 the encampment, he wanted to buy hotel rooms for the 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.600 homeless instead just completely made it up on the spot 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.560 in bad faith, which would have been more expensive and 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.440 temporary compared to just getting the building in two thousand nineteen, 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:38.639 two thousand twenty. Bro. So, I mean his opposition to 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:40.960 building the encampment with bullshit like what else were we 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.800 supposed to do? Like you know this? And I think, okay, 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:46.800 all of this speaks to a couple of things. I'm 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.000 gonna get back to the idea of us housing his 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:50.520 healthcare in a little bit, but I first want to 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.320 start off by identifying that Mike Hammy was the former 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.160 interim executive director of the DEMS, voted against the map, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.639 and because he has lost prominence, he is no longer 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.919 considered a progressive on the commission because new ideas of 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.320 what progressive and what left means haven't merged in his 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.879 twelve years in office, where he is mermaid's stagnant, and 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:12.640 he just really is in this job because he wants 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.320 people to listen to him and feel important and feel powerful, 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.080 and he doesn't right now, and so he's fought against 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.800 everything that we've tried to do, including getting homeless people 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:25.520 some former shelter and including maps that would honor the 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:29.680 will of the voters and allowing our current democratically elected 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:34.399 representatives to give a you know, give a shot of 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.800 remaining in office. And I think it's also mirrors national 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.919 trends and that it's coming back to housing. Mike Allison 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.399 and Vida Thornton, who I have not had smoke for 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.080 yet in this conversation, but I'm about to come for, 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:51.359 also delayed our eviction defense program that you know, Tim 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.000 Denson and myself and Jessie Pool have been working on 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:58.399 since like the like December of UM just like for 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.040 months and months and months and just creating reasons not 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:07.560 to do it, and so finally we get passage for 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:11.480 approval of it. Um. And this whole time, like constituents 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.960 of minor getting evicted straight up getting put out on 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.920 the street in the rain, don't even have enough money 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:21.240 for you haul to get their stuff moved anywhere. UM. 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.000 And one such woman, UM was like in her seventies, 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.600 she got evicted of her home, from her home of 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.359 forty years. In late November, Um was found sleeping on 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.160 her former porch by some of her neighbors, who also 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.919 told me that she was still collecting Social Security checks, 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.280 but without a place to live, she'd just been drinking 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:42.640 her all of the money away. Such was her abject suffering. 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:45.560 And then in early December, after having you know, reached 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.600 out today but as asking people to look for reached 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.639 out to homeless service providers asking her to you know, 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.959 asking um if they had seen her turn out finally 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.400 home one of the one of my homies that works 0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:00.800 with a homeless out of that she died. She had 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:06.040 been found dead. And so it's not just like a 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.520 petty oh I don't like this person, I don't like 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:13.359 that person. So that you know, I'm influencing these decisions 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.639 that ultimately don't matter. Take it around the edges, like 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:22.080 literally their obstruction as caused people to die. I think 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:23.760 also off you know, I talked a lot about this 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.560 program called Cure Violence on the show, which I've been 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.879 you know, researching and reaching out of stakeholders about and 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.919 sending emails about for months, and like, I don't, I don't, like, 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.359 kids are out here dying, and no one, like no 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.400 one will even respond to my emails about it. Like, um, 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.520 I got a HOMEI that was working with last summer, 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:43.920 you know, kitting kids jobs at this little car wash 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:45.840 so they have like something productive to do that it's 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.520 not running the streets. And he told me last weekend 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:50.840 the two of the kids that we've been working with, 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.760 one of them have been shot and killed. The other 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.679 one was in jail. And so the impacts of this 0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:00.159 are very, very real. And I don't think that folks 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:04.880 who you know, are wealthy, you know, who like are older, 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.800 who are whiter, who don't really have to like live 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.840 this pain, in this trauma of seeing what's happening to 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.600 people out here, don't realize how they're this shittiness just 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:19.919 being like just being sticks in the mud is killing 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.640 a people. But um, I also want to come back 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.240 to a recurrent theme and some of the stories here. 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:27.920 We talked about a big sham, and we talked about 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.919 chronic calmlessness, and an idea that has become mainstreamed in 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.000 the pandemic is how housing is healthcare or else get back. 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.120 I thought that heart was good. I want to also 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:43.240 come back to Wi Bea Thornton for a second. Chris Um, 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.080 my friend I Ramy State from Pong Bought brought up 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.120 into thousand eighteen when she was first running for office, 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.640 how we understood how people could like her and support her. 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.880 But she's really good at evading accountability. And I think 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.560 that is incredibly true of the ways that she has 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:05.359 sud lee, slowed down, interrupted, or just otherwise it on 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.160 the wrong side of a lot of what we've tried 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.480 to get done. She'll do things like motion to approve 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:17.120 something and then vote against it um or say hey, I, UM, 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.080 I'm gonna vote for this, but I don't really like it, 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:22.320 or um you know, I like, I respect what you're 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.720 trying to do, and then voting like vote against it, 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.159 like just utter chaos. But in a way such that 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:32.000 it's hard to pin down why she is terrible. Um, 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.200 I think that, you know, as I said before, I 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.879 think so. I think that she's one of those I 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.480 think that she's one of those folks that like materially 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.600 shows up for people. She's the one that will bring 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.240 your kids Easter baskets or pop open the trunk of 0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.520 her car and give you cold cold weather clothes in 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:55.399 the winter. But like she has no like cohesive vision 0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:00.560 or idea or like interest in advancing concrete proposals her 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.040 how to address the very serious suffering in our communities. 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.119 And part of the reason why I think this is 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:09.040 true and honest, honestly kind of empathize with her, even 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.280 though I like, deeply, deeply dislike and distrust her and 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.840 always have UM, is that she's met so before that 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.000 she was on the school board for sixteen years, right, 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:23.120 and has probably her whole life had to like fight um, 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:27.000 white people about getting things for our communities in the 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.000 halls of power, and which she has sat, where she 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.800 has oftentimes been without allies, UM, let alone people other 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:37.040 people of color. And so even in instances where she 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.920 has allies, the most progressive supported her in two thousand 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.120 and eighteen. And even when she had these allies, she 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.800 doesn't know how to do anything but fight. She doesn't 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.560 know how to do anything but complain. She doesn't doesn't 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:54.600 know anything but how to obstruct UM. And so she 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:59.800 doesn't realize that she is getting in the way of 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.160 the things that she wants. I believe that she wants 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.920 people to stay house. I believe that she wants criminal 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.360 justice perform. And as far as you know, those things 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:12.440 are auxiliary to her importance, her sense of self importance 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.880 and like importance to her to keep power and feel 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.240 powerful and feel important like all of these guys I'm 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.040 talking about UM. And so I find that very interesting 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:25.200 and very sad. UM. But you know, for example of 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.600 like her just not having a coherent politics at all, 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.360 you know, jump back in my mind two thousand nineteen 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.240 when we were trying to pass them in town resolution, 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:37.040 which I've spoken of often UM on this Okay, let 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.520 me actually let me go back. So I think that 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:44.640 it's an underappreciated thing, the way that trauma influences UM, 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.720 the ways that the black miss leadership class UM gets 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.640 in the way of our own agenda. UM, and that 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.920 like when you get beat up and beat down and 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.400 shoot on for so long it's really hard to like 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.120 advance like a Coe so vision of how to improve 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.560 things when you all you know how to do is 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.880 how to fight. And as well, we got a lot 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.720 of you know, black leaders of the community that are 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.800 stroyed up Republicans that the Republicans have always been in 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.920 power in this state and have cash in on our 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.840 community's poverty in order to secure their seats in the 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.560 political hierarchy. Um. And so you've got those people out 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:25.840 here who are middle class, completely detached from like the 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:30.600 root causes of issues in our communities. Um, talking about 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:32.960 like how financial literacy is gonna save the people. It's like, 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.200 you can't budget if you ain't got no budget money, 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.760 you ain't got money to budgets or excuse me. Um. 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.360 And then you have people like a Vita who just 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.080 like I've never had a plan, Who've never ever had 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.280 a plan for how to fix things, but will show 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.200 up at your church and like bring all the kids 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.719 candy and so like people trust her, people like her, etcetera. 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.240 And as well, I think her Raelian against the government 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:58.400 in an interesting way, UM also increases their popularity among 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.760 people who do not trust the government. It so saying like, well, 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.800 y'all are standing it my way, and I don't only 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.719 like what you're trying to do, and y'all don't do this, 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:12.400 and y'all don't do that, even though y'all concludes you ma'am, Um, 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.800 you could advance piece of policy, not anymore because nobody 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.680 trusts you and nobody likes you because you've blown it utterly. 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:23.800 But um, rather than do that, she fights against us 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.760 as a way to like consolidate her power in in 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:31.360 communities where there is deep distrust of the government. UM. 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.120 So yeah, we've got all these issues out here, um, 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.880 and no real vision for how to fix things or 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:41.800 change things. Um. For example, Um, people don't know this. 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.840 But when we were fighting for the Lindontown Resolution to 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.720 you know, get redress and recognition of the harms of 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:52.360 the displacement of black communities, specifically the Lindtown community in 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.280 the nineteen sixties, in a close warm meeting with staff 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:59.360 and activists about trying to pass this resolution, Peta Thornton 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.120 said that she would never sign on to a document 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:09.120 condemning white supremacy. Now, I I've heard from people since 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:13.440 then who just think that she didn't know what supremacy meant. UM. 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:15.360 But this is, this is what I'm talking about. When 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.280 pressed by the people to take action, she just gets 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.640 incredibly defensive and shuts down rather than like engage in 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:28.760 good faith with with what people are trying to say. Okay, 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.080 let me jump let me jump back actually and talk 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.440 about my candy. So I think the situation I can 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:39.600 be UM has national parallels in that age is just 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.480 a moderating force. I feel um he was one of 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.760 the left most folks on the Commission early in his tenure, 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:50.680 and now he's become a moderate qua conservative UM. And 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.920 so you see the way. Similarly, what happened in Nevada 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:58.320 with the State Democratic Party when UM Democratic Socialists won 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.760 elections and took over leadershi ship of the party, the 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.400 exist you know, the existing um UM folks in power 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.200 just all Quinn transferred all their money out of the 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:15.080 account because even Democrats don't like having their power challenged. 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.160 It's two thousand twenty two. In like another ten years, 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.720 we're gonna be the majority of this bitch. Like I'm sorry, 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.400 you just gotta get with the fucking program. Like we 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.960 out here, we we you represent these people don't be 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.760 out here telling a woman whose daughter died, like, well, 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.800 I don't know if that's like, you know appropriate, shut 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.280 the funk up and been to the will of people. 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.920 That's our job. But yeah, I mean it's really interesting because, um, 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.200 so we tried to pass like raises for ourselves this 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.360 year and not ourselves in the sense of like me directly, 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.400 we wouldn't kick in until next year. But we make 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:49.960 like fifteen thou dollars years. This is a part time job, 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.120 even though we manage a budget of hundreds of millions, 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.600 tens of their yeah, tens of thousand of people. I 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.000 put you know, like I put in like thirty hours 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.960 a week every week because like fucking care. But then Alison, right, 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.120 my candy, Um, we're like, I don't know they went 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:09.280 to this right part adjacent local outlet to like decry 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.000 are like wanting to get racist for ourselves, And in 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.200 this article she was like, I'm a landlord and I'm 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.040 a mother. You know, I have more important things that 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.640 I have to do, and so I don't put a 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.399 lot of time into this job. So like, I don't 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:29.120 see why other people have to. So a couple of points, bro, 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.560 like that that is not that is a reason. That 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:36.239 is effectively what she said. Yeah, she's a landlord and 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.239 a mother, so like and you know, I couldn't have 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:43.240 possibly imagined, you know why I'm not parents or anything 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.279 and not finding a way to like put in the 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:51.719 work that people deserve. All right, Yeah, like what do 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.440 you think you don't think the people deserve the most 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:59.879 energy that you could put into making this making nobody 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.600 made you run. Nobody made you run. Nobody, you know, 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.960 helping me held a gun to your hand, made you 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.919 run a ship. But like she's all be like wham 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.160 a lay in lam a job so hard, like sploit 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.040 renters for passive income when I'm so busy being a mother. 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:18.080 Your son is a whole ass adult. He's like years old, 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:22.640 so people don't know that. Who is so Mike Canby. Yeah, 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.360 so he's been a commissioner for like twelve years, former 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:29.440 interim executive director for the Georgia Democratic Party. He owns 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.080 like a cleaning business. Like you know, he's like a 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.640 very I mean, I would describe him as like a 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.719 pretty bland white dude. He has somewhat of some charisma, 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.120 but you also sort of like a bull in a 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.000 China shop, just getting real aggaro if you don't like, 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:47.359 you know, like care for his pets like low key. 0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:52.240 But what people don't know is that so Mike Hamby, 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.799 So we attempted like a year and a half ago 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:59.040 to buy an apartment building for the homeless, so like 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:00.839 have a place where they can all have their own 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:05.279 apartment UM and have like wrap around services so like 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.759 mental health folks and folks help them with job applications 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.440 and all that ship. It would all be combined in 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.000 one place to help get people up street UM, and 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.320 my can be killed. Our attempts to buy that building 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.960 UM in behind closed doors came up with some excuse 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.959 about what I was too expensive or like something like that. 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:30.040 And then you later, like the last summer walked out 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.840 of our discussion about homelessness out of retreat. He didn't 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.120 even bother to hear from staffs about our options for 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.160 like dealing with with you know what, like how do 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.000 how do we address the situation homelessness summer community in 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:47.080 our community? And then this motherfucker like so we were 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.640 like what do we do what? Like we got people 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.439 living outdoors, we got people overdosing and killing themselves throwing 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.440 themselves in the river. We got sexual assaults happening, and 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.880 robberies and all this stuff. Like these people need supports 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:03.080 because they're suffering like incredible, incredible, just levels of desperation 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.879 out here. So myself and my colleague Jesse Whol trying 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.879 to put together this resolution to lay out what we're 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.759 gonna do, and it included creating an encampment. I think 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.080 I'll talk about the still on the show before where 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.920 people could like have their we provide them with tents, 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.960 give him a warming center, you know, give him a 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.319 place to cook, give him WiFi in places to charge 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.560 their phones, and then have the service providers come there 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:29.120 to help like support them and the you know the 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.640 kind of stuff. Make sure they get job up TRANSI 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.760 transition out of it. Yeah, as an interim stat because 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.480 our attempts to buy a place that we could like 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:42.160 help them live in, like a physical home building like 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:49.160 got shot down. So this sniveling little bitch came into 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.480 the like you opposed it the whole time. Opposed it. 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.560 Opposed it a post and a post it would prefer 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.880 for the homeless people to keep you know, shooting up 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.360 and dying and jumping in the river to kill themselves, 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.640 I guess. And at that meeting where we voted to 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.279 finally approve this ship, he tried to make like a 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:11.880 substitute of medment, asked thing too um like put him 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.680 in hotels or something like where It's like, you ain't 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.920 never cared about this, you ain't never once actually engaged 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:23.440 in good faith around these issues. I don't see you 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.759 out here talking to people like maybe I go above 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.719 and beyond and I do. I'm not trying to say 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:32.960 that you know he should because do you do you 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.000 think do you think it? Do you think there's like 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.239 a chance that could make him have a change of 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:41.520 heart if he saw it firsthand? Or no, he's called 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:51.600 hiss called desires nah nah nah. I'm I'm like, you know, 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.680 it's like I don't want to say I'm shocked, but 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.120 it's like the biggest sense that I'm getting is how 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.240 And maybe it's because you know, like you're you're my homie, 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.440 and I've known you so long and I've lived with 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.160 you and seen like how much work that you put 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.680 into the ship and how much you care. It's just 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.520 I don't know, it's like I'm taking it back, you know, 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:14.319 by the lack of urgency that it seems that these 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.799 motherfuckers have, you know what I mean, even when you 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.680 try to deal with things urgently in this ship. This 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.799 is the other thing that maybe has brought her implications 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.320 for government in our expectations, etcetera. And the need for urgency, 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.279 the need for people to apply constant pressure, because even 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.120 when you are going full fire and all cylinders trying 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.080 to push it through, it's gonna take a year minimum 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.080 to get something done to every people have been out here, yeah, 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.200 suffering for like a year since we first started our 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.960 discussions about creating this encampment, and like we're still trying 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.840 to make it happen still. It's like so it's like 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:51.319 every day that passes that y'all aren't doing something on 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:55.320 y'all's end, it's just extending the time that when you know, 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.560 I mean, it's sustending the time that it's gonna take 0:39:57.600 --> 0:39:59.560 for ship to eventually get done. When stuff don't you 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.920 know what I mean, people do start moving on it, right, 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.440 And if that's what happens with stuff that we're regarding 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.760 incredibly urgently, like say goodbye to your hopes. So ship 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.480 that like nobody is building a movement around or applying 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:15.279 political pressure for you know, we saw that. I mean, like, okay, 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.600 let's move a little bit faster than some things that 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.319 I've described here in the local government. But think about 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.680 the COVID tests. People had to bully the ship out 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.759 of Jen Psaki and President Biden and ordered for them 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:31.160 to even take seriously that they should send test to 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.720 people in their homes. And even with that relentless heckling, 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.239 they only said they're only sending like forward tests to everybody, 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.360 did they you know, took a while for them to 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.279 roll out. People in dorms, apartment buildings, other sorts of 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:47.040 like shared housing aren't able to get them because of 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.359 the way the system is set up. So like even 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.680 when you pound the door screaming at the top of 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.000 your lungs to do something, you end up getting a 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:58.759 half ass response. You end up it's delayed response. Like 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:01.719 and so I just I really grapple a lot with 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:06.920 like the the lumbering nature of governments. Because they are 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.880 such large institutions, there's always institutional inertia where they're so 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.479 used to doing things the same way that shifting course 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:17.239 is so difficult for them, um not to mention like 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.320 entrenched political power where it's really hard to like cry 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.560 out that people who have always been making these decisions 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.560 and never taking seriously the needs of the people, and 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.960 so like, you know, I want to give people hope. 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:30.560 I want to give people hope. I do believe that 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.680 we've got done good things through government, but I'm losing 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.840 faith sometimes when I see ship like this bad actors 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.279 who like just refused to take seriously the urgency of 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.880 the concerns of people in the community, and then just 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:47.719 like the grimingly slow, sand filled gears that churn and 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:53.759 churn like snails pace to address these like incredibly urgent 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:58.560 issues that we other than other than they're just being 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:03.080 like a fucking rennists and ship of progressive or even 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:07.040 just like passionate people, you know what I mean, just 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.760 completely taking over the ship. What are some things that 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.799 that people can do in their local governments or you know, 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.319 or even in in in more national government, but just like, what, 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.320 what are some things that people can do to maybe 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.120 spurn along some of these gears and get them moving faster? 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.359 Is it? Is it really just applying pressure with things 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:32.919 like calling before Yes, it's absolutely so. Before Progressive took 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:37.200 power here, there was a very strong, mobilized United Left 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.800 movement to push for things like in a non discrimination ordinance, 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.480 to push just push for a variety of things and 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.200 apply such pressure that folks couldn't ignore it. They had 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.320 to they had to address it. They couldn't turn away, 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.000 they couldn't you know, put on their earbuds or whatever 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:59.160 and listen to some you know, donkey brain but um. 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.719 And so we've us that. And now that progressives have 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:03.759 taken power, people like, hey, y'all got it from here, 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:05.680 and it's like, no, we don't got it. We need 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.520 you all to show up and continue to put pressure 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:11.000 on folks because there's so many plates spinning that sometimes 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.360 people just forget what's important. Sometimes people just lose sight 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:18.680 of like the suffering that people are living through. And 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.040 so I mean, ultimately that's what's needed. That's always been 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.279 what's needed. Anything astounding that we have accomplished, we have 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:29.600 only accomplished with intense community pressure to get done. And 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.680 so I've been really reflecting a lot on the need 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.680 for us to not only like mobilize people like existing 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.960 political actors in the community, but like lift up folks 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:42.359 that are really suffering directly from the housing crisis, from 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:47.120 the gun violence epidemic, um from underemployment and like wage 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:51.239 exploitation to be like, Yo, let's go hop in the car, 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.120 like Yo, we'll snag some zack s fees on the way. 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.600 Come to the commission meeting and tell them yourself what 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.600 the fuss is going on out here? Because like people 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.560 like they just don't even know how to engage and 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:04.680 nor why why would they believe in it if no 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.600 one has ever supported them in doing so and they 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:11.160 have never seen government, They've never seen Yeah, And that's 0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:12.759 what has gotten back to me with the whole voting 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.759 rights thing, is that like for somebody who has never 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:20.040 voted anyway, because Republican presidents, democratic presidence, they've always been poor, 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.560 they have always been in and out of jail, they 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.279 have always been losing loved ones to gone violence. They 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:29.760 have they're hungry day after day, like without actual material 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.440 investment and like the people's needs. I don't, I genuinely 0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.640 don't think that voting rights, the passage of like photographs, 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:40.160 other's legislation, it's gonna matter enough to like really really 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.640 boost turned out to a degree where like the will 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.760 of the people is truly represented, like in Biden canceled 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.320 student debt, or if he just like with the stroke 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:51.879 of a pen, like expunged marijuana. I guess he can't 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:54.120 do that with strongly pen, but he can reschedule marijuana 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.200 from a class A you know, prohibitive sus sence stroke 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.560 of a pen. You know it's directly after the d 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:03.800 a boom um, and you know, work to exponde people's 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:07.000 records something that they can feel, people would believe and 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:12.000 people would engage, but instead like so um, just moving 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.040 along a little bit. So I wanted to talk to 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:20.880 you about, you know, the entrenched like black I guess 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:25.920 ruling class or black political class. So let's how much 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:30.080 support do how much support or lack thereof do you 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.600 get from them on the things that you work on, 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.120 and then how does that extend a lot of these 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:37.920 A lot of these black leaders in the community are 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:43.560 Republicans or like crypto Republicans collude with them a ton, etcetera, etcetera, 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:47.000 because they have cash in on the community's poverty in 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:52.680 exchange for their place in the political hierarchy for decades. 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.040 Like they're comfortable, they're middle class, they're good they're separated 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.400 from the experience of like the truly down in the 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.040 dirt people that they claim to one help, and so 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:03.359 like they don't Yeah, they don't trust me because I'm 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.399 out here talking about the radical ship like setting people free, 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.280 like for real, not just performed, not just equity, not progress, 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.560 but like liberating people and bringing forward ideas that are 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.640 kind of scary and also usurping their authority because like 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:16.959 I ain't come and ask for their permission. I ain't 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.279 come and like you know, bend the knee and kiss 0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.040 the ring about that ship, you find that that's like 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.759 something that they expect that they want, is the bending 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.880 of the absolutely hey, your dues, and it's like ship 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.880 like nah. So and this gets back to what I 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:34.600 was just saying about showing up for people materially. So 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.160 folks like the person I am about to talk about 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.200 next via Thornton, is this bitch who will like bring 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:43.480 you Eastern baskets like for your kids and like you know, 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.359 you pull up pop the trunk and like make sure 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:48.480 your kids have sweaters and ship like that, like showing 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.680 up for people materially in such a way that like 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.760 she has a lot of trust in the community, people 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.719 like you know, really think that she's somebody that you know, 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.480 she's a fighter, someone you can believe in because, like 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.160 you know, you will materially show up for you, but 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:07.120 not in systemic ways. She has no coherent like agenda 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.160 for how to fix any of the problems that she 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:13.840 like she has seen she is seeing, you know, is 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:19.040 more like putting band aids um things. And also something 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.440 I've realized about Elvita Thornton recently is that she was 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.920 on school board for sixteen years before she became a commissioner, 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:27.640 and so as like a black face in a high 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.200 in a high place, she has probably always been in 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:33.280 rooms that are majority white people and has had and 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:37.560 has legitimately had to rail against um like the function 0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:41.880 that like the white you know, white supremacist power structure 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:45.160 has dealts the blows they have dealt on the community. 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:47.760 But this has then given rise to like a fucking 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:53.279 neurosis of hers where even when she is allied with folks, 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.200 because a bunch of progressives supported her when she ran 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.160 like pretty much like all my homies like thought she 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.200 was the ship. So yeah, a lot of people supported her, 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.359 you know, a lot of white progressives in this town 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.279 supported her in two thousand eighteen. This is gonna be 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:10.440 hard for people to hear, but um, because of like 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.560 white progressives, like white guilt about not actually knowing any 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.440 Black people and having no means by which to like 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.200 put roots down in the black community and actually get 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.960 to know people. Um. Like Vida Thornton came on the 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.239 scene and everybody supported her because they didn't want to 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.480 see him racist, even though it was abundantly claire that 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:30.960 she didn't have a coherent agenda, even though she did 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.719 things like get so drunk at Assets and Harmony, which 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.839 was like a music event that all the candidates were at, 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.040 you know, she had to be carried out and loaded 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:43.080 into a car. She couldn't walk. Um. And so I mean, 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.160 like these people, these people who were just like, oh, 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.600 black face in a high place, let's get behind them 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.440 so that we don't see him racist because we're so 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:55.799 scared and feel so guilty about white supremacy. Like you 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.399 have to get out into the community and actually get 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:03.640 to know black people, um, in order to like like 0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.799 develop uh cohesive like political analysis of what's going on 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:11.120 and really understand what the needs are and also help 0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:15.359 elevate leadership that will do the same. Um, I can't 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.680 imagine what it's like for white people. Actually I can, 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.680 and I don't have any like empathy for the fact 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.520 that I mean, I've had to begin rooms where nobody 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.160 looked like me my entire fucking life. So if you're 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:28.520 white and like you're nervous about going out on the 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:31.160 block and like dapping people up and giving out waters 0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:33.160 or showing up at the food distro or going to 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.960 the churches, like fucking get it together, I'm sorry, go 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:40.719 to these places and get to know these people. Um, 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.120 because you know folks who say, like, oh, well, we 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.560 have to support her, She's the only one. It's like, Well, 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:52.440 if you collaborate with communities to uplift leadership, like the 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.880 Black the Ascendant Black Miss Leadership class won't be the 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:59.600 only option on the table. We could have a diversity 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.719 of political thought represented in the kinds of leaders and 0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.400 the kinds of candidates that we have to choose from. 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:07.920 But because white progressives, I mean, there's a lot of 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.000 different reasons why not. But my smoke for the folks 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.600 that supported her in two thousand and eighteen, even though 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.360 I tried to warn people that she was shipped. I 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:20.440 saw through her the entire time. UM. The thing that 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.000 they need to understand as well, if that do a 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.520 little bit smoke for them, is that like you can't 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.280 be scared. You gotta get out there and talk to people. 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:29.880 You gotta get out there and talk to people. I 0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:31.640 don't know, that's all I really got. I don't know 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.160 I got more ship. A lot of it was decontextualized 0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:35.920 when I went back to my draftweets, where I was like, 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.120 I'm just like this could be this could have been 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.560 about anything, just like bishing about how much these people stuck. 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:43.239 But I wanted to bring up some concrete examples of 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.040 like the dirt they have done our community they're continuing 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:50.680 to do through colluding with um the Republicans. On January six, 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.680 they literally drop those maps in January like on some 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:57.000 anniversary ship Like, I mean, the thing is coincidence. They 0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.960 knew what they were doing. What they literally for one 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:04.200 of the progressives they tried to oust, they literally drew 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:07.520 the border of his map to look like a dick, 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.480 to like poke into his poke into it like a 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.880 like another district, as like like a literal fuck you, 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:18.520 like we are fucking you here's the dick. Yeah, see this, 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.760 this is again. They know that they're playing three dimensional 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.920 chess man four dimensional seven. I don't know, man, They're 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.040 playing like they're trying to win, Like they don't give 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.640 a funk what the other side is gonna say. It's 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:33.680 that's twis really important to me. That's why I was 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:35.480 really important me to come like forward about a bunch 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.439 of the ship because like, I'm tired of like y'all 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.200 didn't realize I was playing nice before, I was playing 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:44.839 nice before. Those days are over. I ain't got nothing 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:50.520 but smoke for you. Like alright, So to close it off, 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:55.120 we're gonna do something a little bit different on this episode. 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.160 We are not going to just do the same old 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.960 rappi rap thing that we normally do because me and Mariah, 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.880 you know, our music as that goes, we we do 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.000 a lot more than just freestyle on the mic. At 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.560 the end of the show. We're both actually, you know, 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.160 working recording artists. So, Mariah, what do you got coming up? 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:17.160 So I'm very excited to announce that yesterday we told 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.080 the world that my new album Bell Ringer is coming 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:24.120 out on April, and we dropped the first music video 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.719 first single for the album. It's called Work. It is 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.239 um what I hope will be like the modern day 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:32.759 labor anthem. And so um we're gonna play that for 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.880 y'all as we close out today. Um, you know, go 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.480 check it out if you follow me on socials. Who 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.600 produced it? So this is produced by my homie Reindeer 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.720 games Um, who has been my DJ for many years 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:47.520 and um pretty much executively produced album. So yeah, give 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.719 a listen to this. This is work. Go check out 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.400 the music video. The link to it's going to be 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:57.640 in the the episode description. And yeah, hopefully this will 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.919 give you some inspiration to keep fighting because, like I said, 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:04.400 and we need mass movements of organized people of the 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.640 multi racial working class in order to fight this ship. 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.520 No matter what happens, you know, my homies might get 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:12.560 kicked out of office, I might get kicked out office, whatever, 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:15.480 Fascist takeover whatever, we gotta be ready to fight. And 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.040 so I hope this gets you all ready to fight. 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:26.759 Let's right in a communication, Workers of America, hen the 0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:32.960 campus workers in Georgia three two six five, Big, it's 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:40.320 sire you won't people, Which sire you won't? Which side 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:47.560 you won't? Deepoo? Which side are you? Oh, which sire 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:53.560 you won't? My people? Which side are you won't? Which 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:58.680 side are you won't? People? Wich side? Are you won't? 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:03.600 Working ship? The boxes they swipper renne mopping ship, but 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.960 we're never talking and whipping the shopping cut They packed 0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.880 the beer in the walkings and stick the weird little boxes, 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:13.799 keep kitching for just stopping the financial marketself. And they're 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.560 talking for over fifty fifty bucks and bear the cup 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.040 in the like sixty thrifty huts and get spent on 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.799 like sitting ducks, so they get sicker getting buck. So 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:24.880 you ever wanted to honor them? He's my ask for 0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:29.360 all Mohammed and collected bargaining and mazonna target and fede 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.839 to walm Martin into parking hole food to we all 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.080 give what we are to get it workers one of 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.120 the company that rising in the arguments. So are you 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:43.359 with them? Are you lay loof you? Need Ham said, 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:45.800 I haven't see though, and play loof you need th 0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:48.840 Ham said I've be't see though, and play hoof you. 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.919 Need Ham said I haven't see though. Ha My said 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.200 I haven't see though. Ham said, I haven't seedo. Which 0:54:55.320 --> 0:55:02.080 side you are? My people? Which side you oh, which 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:09.440 side you won't? People? Which sire you all? Which side 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:15.800 are you o? People? Which side a you won't? Which 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:20.680 side are you won't? My people? Which side are you all? 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.239 Imagine a minute money into badverage. Women and men in 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.600 the tragic position of bringing and patrick and wages in't 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.839 count to the shackle by capitalism. Imagine a minute money 0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:32.120 into badvers. Citizens planned in this vineage and watching the 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.200 kitchens and stack in the linen's called packers and windings 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.319 and tend it's a labor extracted for pettis or if 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:38.320 they're coordinated to address the sort of statement of it 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.399 an organization because sucking what that's what organized but does 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.600 and not even sort of its work. The cards taking 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.719 the power from horders of bucks, but bankers off showing 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:47.759 they because we're turning the value away, but of those 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.839 who created the blainess. So if you're data then telling 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:52.959 about waking up or leader earning back, if you sat 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.040 about burning, if you gotta curious turn and you had 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:56.880 it with passively like it, we got your back and 0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:58.799 were happy to have you out on the picking line, 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:09.080 actively work and go way which side you need? Said, 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:14.879 I've been seen no help with you said you need, 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:20.000 said I've been seen help time said I've been seen. 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:26.200 Help you need, said, I've been seen, help you need, said, 0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:36.120 I've been z side. Are you yo? That ship was fire. 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.040 You guys got to make sure that you go watch that, 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:41.960 press the light button, comment on that ship, and be 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.839 sure to look out for Mariah's new album, Bell Ringer 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.120 when that ship comes out in April one. But I'm 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.440 sure you're gonna we're gonna keep talking about this between 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:53.040 now and then. I'm sure she's gonna be dropping some 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.160 more stuff. I know. I know I'm on there too, 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:58.920 So you know, next town, next time I'm in town, 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:00.760 we might want to like shoot a little some video 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:03.200 things for that. Yeah, we might need to. We might 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:07.600 need to. Yeah. Alright, my name is Dope Knife, and 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:12.440 you have been listening to Waiting on Reparations. We are 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.480 out and we will see you guys next week. Peace. 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.640 Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.360 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts