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Speaker 1: going on? Everybody? You're listening to Waiting on Reparations? The

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Speaker 1: You know the whole drill. You know the whole drill.

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Speaker 1: So it has been quite a week going. And I

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Speaker 1: woke up on I think it was like Saturday or Friday,

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Speaker 1: these days and I looked on Twitter. The fucking World

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Speaker 1: War three was trended. So I was just like, oh, ship,

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Speaker 1: of is it the water Wars? I mean, finally fighting

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's no, that's not it yet,

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Speaker 1: that that's gonna be Damn, that's crazy, that like kind

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Speaker 1: it's not even the resource wars yet. But anyway, so

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Speaker 1: long story short for Lehman's uh, that's all I am.

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Speaker 1: But um, Russia is building up it's true presence with

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Speaker 1: As here's President Biden um had a press conference recently

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Speaker 1: that is like what we it's supposed to be like, no,

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Speaker 1: whatever they do, we're going to war? Like is that

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Speaker 1: You know the Hawks are trying to get Biden too,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into a lot this week. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: in so much. This is so much because I mean, look, man,

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Speaker 1: So like it can apply to so many scenarios. So

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like everything's done. Everything that everybody's fighting for,

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Speaker 1: And one such woman, UM was like in her seventies,

427
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: she got evicted of her home, from her home of

428
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: forty years. In late November, Um was found sleeping on

429
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: her former porch by some of her neighbors, who also

430
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: told me that she was still collecting Social Security checks,

431
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: but without a place to live, she'd just been drinking

432
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: her all of the money away. Such was her abject suffering.

433
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: And then in early December, after having you know, reached

434
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: out today but as asking people to look for reached

435
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: out to homeless service providers asking her to you know,

436
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 1: asking um if they had seen her turn out finally

437
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: home one of the one of my homies that works

438
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: with a homeless out of that she died. She had

439
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: been found dead. And so it's not just like a

440
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: petty oh I don't like this person, I don't like

441
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: that person. So that you know, I'm influencing these decisions

442
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: that ultimately don't matter. Take it around the edges, like

443
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: literally their obstruction as caused people to die. I think

444
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: also off you know, I talked a lot about this

445
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: program called Cure Violence on the show, which I've been

446
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: you know, researching and reaching out of stakeholders about and

447
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: sending emails about for months, and like, I don't, I don't, like,

448
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: kids are out here dying, and no one, like no

449
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: one will even respond to my emails about it. Like, um,

450
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: I got a HOMEI that was working with last summer,

451
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, kitting kids jobs at this little car wash

452
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: so they have like something productive to do that it's

453
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: not running the streets. And he told me last weekend

454
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: the two of the kids that we've been working with,

455
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: one of them have been shot and killed. The other

456
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: one was in jail. And so the impacts of this

457
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: are very, very real. And I don't think that folks

458
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: who you know, are wealthy, you know, who like are older,

459
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: who are whiter, who don't really have to like live

460
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: this pain, in this trauma of seeing what's happening to

461
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: people out here, don't realize how they're this shittiness just

462
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: being like just being sticks in the mud is killing

463
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: a people. But um, I also want to come back

464
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: to a recurrent theme and some of the stories here.

465
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: We talked about a big sham, and we talked about

466
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: chronic calmlessness, and an idea that has become mainstreamed in

467
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: the pandemic is how housing is healthcare or else get back.

468
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: I thought that heart was good. I want to also

469
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: come back to Wi Bea Thornton for a second. Chris Um,

470
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: my friend I Ramy State from Pong Bought brought up

471
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: into thousand eighteen when she was first running for office,

472
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: how we understood how people could like her and support her.

473
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: But she's really good at evading accountability. And I think

474
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: that is incredibly true of the ways that she has

475
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: sud lee, slowed down, interrupted, or just otherwise it on

476
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: the wrong side of a lot of what we've tried

477
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: to get done. She'll do things like motion to approve

478
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: something and then vote against it um or say hey, I, UM,

479
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote for this, but I don't really like it,

480
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: or um you know, I like, I respect what you're

481
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: trying to do, and then voting like vote against it,

482
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: like just utter chaos. But in a way such that

483
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to pin down why she is terrible. Um,

484
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, as I said before, I

485
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: think so. I think that she's one of those I

486
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: think that she's one of those folks that like materially

487
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: shows up for people. She's the one that will bring

488
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: your kids Easter baskets or pop open the trunk of

489
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: her car and give you cold cold weather clothes in

490
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: the winter. But like she has no like cohesive vision

491
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: or idea or like interest in advancing concrete proposals her

492
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: how to address the very serious suffering in our communities.

493
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: And part of the reason why I think this is

494
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: true and honest, honestly kind of empathize with her, even

495
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: though I like, deeply, deeply dislike and distrust her and

496
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: always have UM, is that she's met so before that

497
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: she was on the school board for sixteen years, right,

498
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: and has probably her whole life had to like fight um,

499
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: white people about getting things for our communities in the

500
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: halls of power, and which she has sat, where she

501
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: has oftentimes been without allies, UM, let alone people other

502
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: people of color. And so even in instances where she

503
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: has allies, the most progressive supported her in two thousand

504
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: and eighteen. And even when she had these allies, she

505
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to do anything but fight. She doesn't

506
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: know how to do anything but complain. She doesn't doesn't

507
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: know anything but how to obstruct UM. And so she

508
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: doesn't realize that she is getting in the way of

509
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: the things that she wants. I believe that she wants

510
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: people to stay house. I believe that she wants criminal

511
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: justice perform. And as far as you know, those things

512
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: are auxiliary to her importance, her sense of self importance

513
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: and like importance to her to keep power and feel

514
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: powerful and feel important like all of these guys I'm

515
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: talking about UM. And so I find that very interesting

516
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: and very sad. UM. But you know, for example of

517
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: like her just not having a coherent politics at all,

518
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, jump back in my mind two thousand nineteen

519
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: when we were trying to pass them in town resolution,

520
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: which I've spoken of often UM on this Okay, let

521
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: me actually let me go back. So I think that

522
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: it's an underappreciated thing, the way that trauma influences UM,

523
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: the ways that the black miss leadership class UM gets

524
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: in the way of our own agenda. UM, and that

525
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: like when you get beat up and beat down and

526
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: shoot on for so long it's really hard to like

527
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: advance like a Coe so vision of how to improve

528
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: things when you all you know how to do is

529
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: how to fight. And as well, we got a lot

530
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: of you know, black leaders of the community that are

531
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: stroyed up Republicans that the Republicans have always been in

532
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: power in this state and have cash in on our

533
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: community's poverty in order to secure their seats in the

534
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: political hierarchy. Um. And so you've got those people out

535
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: here who are middle class, completely detached from like the

536
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: root causes of issues in our communities. Um, talking about

537
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: like how financial literacy is gonna save the people. It's like,

538
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: you can't budget if you ain't got no budget money,

539
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: you ain't got money to budgets or excuse me. Um.

540
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: And then you have people like a Vita who just

541
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: like I've never had a plan, Who've never ever had

542
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: a plan for how to fix things, but will show

543
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: up at your church and like bring all the kids

544
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: candy and so like people trust her, people like her, etcetera.

545
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: And as well, I think her Raelian against the government

546
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: in an interesting way, UM also increases their popularity among

547
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: people who do not trust the government. It so saying like, well,

548
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: y'all are standing it my way, and I don't only

549
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: like what you're trying to do, and y'all don't do this,

550
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: and y'all don't do that, even though y'all concludes you ma'am, Um,

551
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: you could advance piece of policy, not anymore because nobody

552
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: trusts you and nobody likes you because you've blown it utterly.

553
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: But um, rather than do that, she fights against us

554
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: as a way to like consolidate her power in in

555
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: communities where there is deep distrust of the government. UM.

556
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, we've got all these issues out here, um,

557
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: and no real vision for how to fix things or

558
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: change things. Um. For example, Um, people don't know this.

559
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: But when we were fighting for the Lindontown Resolution to

560
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, get redress and recognition of the harms of

561
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: the displacement of black communities, specifically the Lindtown community in

562
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, in a close warm meeting with staff

563
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: and activists about trying to pass this resolution, Peta Thornton

564
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: said that she would never sign on to a document

565
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: condemning white supremacy. Now, I I've heard from people since

566
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: then who just think that she didn't know what supremacy meant. UM.

567
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: But this is, this is what I'm talking about. When

568
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: pressed by the people to take action, she just gets

569
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: incredibly defensive and shuts down rather than like engage in

570
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: good faith with with what people are trying to say. Okay,

571
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: let me jump let me jump back actually and talk

572
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: about my candy. So I think the situation I can

573
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: be UM has national parallels in that age is just

574
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: a moderating force. I feel um he was one of

575
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: the left most folks on the Commission early in his tenure,

576
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and now he's become a moderate qua conservative UM. And

577
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: so you see the way. Similarly, what happened in Nevada

578
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: with the State Democratic Party when UM Democratic Socialists won

579
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: elections and took over leadershi ship of the party, the

580
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: exist you know, the existing um UM folks in power

581
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: just all Quinn transferred all their money out of the

582
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: account because even Democrats don't like having their power challenged.

583
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: It's two thousand twenty two. In like another ten years,

584
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna be the majority of this bitch. Like I'm sorry,

585
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: you just gotta get with the fucking program. Like we

586
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: out here, we we you represent these people don't be

587
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: out here telling a woman whose daughter died, like, well,

588
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like, you know appropriate, shut

589
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: the funk up and been to the will of people.

590
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: That's our job. But yeah, I mean it's really interesting because, um,

591
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: so we tried to pass like raises for ourselves this

592
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: year and not ourselves in the sense of like me directly,

593
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: we wouldn't kick in until next year. But we make

594
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: like fifteen thou dollars years. This is a part time job,

595
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: even though we manage a budget of hundreds of millions,

596
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: tens of their yeah, tens of thousand of people. I

597
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: put you know, like I put in like thirty hours

598
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: a week every week because like fucking care. But then Alison, right,

599
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: my candy, Um, we're like, I don't know they went

600
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: to this right part adjacent local outlet to like decry

601
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: are like wanting to get racist for ourselves, And in

602
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: this article she was like, I'm a landlord and I'm

603
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: a mother. You know, I have more important things that

604
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I have to do, and so I don't put a

605
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: lot of time into this job. So like, I don't

606
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: see why other people have to. So a couple of points, bro,

607
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: like that that is not that is a reason. That

608
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: is effectively what she said. Yeah, she's a landlord and

609
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: a mother, so like and you know, I couldn't have

610
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: possibly imagined, you know why I'm not parents or anything

611
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: and not finding a way to like put in the

612
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: work that people deserve. All right, Yeah, like what do

613
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: you think you don't think the people deserve the most

614
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: energy that you could put into making this making nobody

615
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: made you run. Nobody made you run. Nobody, you know,

616
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: helping me held a gun to your hand, made you

617
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: run a ship. But like she's all be like wham

618
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: a lay in lam a job so hard, like sploit

619
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: renters for passive income when I'm so busy being a mother.

620
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Your son is a whole ass adult. He's like years old,

621
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: so people don't know that. Who is so Mike Canby. Yeah,

622
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: so he's been a commissioner for like twelve years, former

623
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: interim executive director for the Georgia Democratic Party. He owns

624
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: like a cleaning business. Like you know, he's like a

625
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: very I mean, I would describe him as like a

626
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: pretty bland white dude. He has somewhat of some charisma,

627
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: but you also sort of like a bull in a

628
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: China shop, just getting real aggaro if you don't like,

629
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: you know, like care for his pets like low key.

630
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: But what people don't know is that so Mike Hamby,

631
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: So we attempted like a year and a half ago

632
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: to buy an apartment building for the homeless, so like

633
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: have a place where they can all have their own

634
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: apartment UM and have like wrap around services so like

635
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: mental health folks and folks help them with job applications

636
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: and all that ship. It would all be combined in

637
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: one place to help get people up street UM, and

638
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: my can be killed. Our attempts to buy that building

639
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: UM in behind closed doors came up with some excuse

640
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 1: about what I was too expensive or like something like that.

641
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: And then you later, like the last summer walked out

642
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: of our discussion about homelessness out of retreat. He didn't

643
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: even bother to hear from staffs about our options for

644
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: like dealing with with you know what, like how do

645
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: how do we address the situation homelessness summer community in

646
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: our community? And then this motherfucker like so we were

647
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: like what do we do what? Like we got people

648
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: living outdoors, we got people overdosing and killing themselves throwing

649
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: themselves in the river. We got sexual assaults happening, and

650
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: robberies and all this stuff. Like these people need supports

651
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: because they're suffering like incredible, incredible, just levels of desperation

652
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: out here. So myself and my colleague Jesse Whol trying

653
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: to put together this resolution to lay out what we're

654
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: gonna do, and it included creating an encampment. I think

655
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I'll talk about the still on the show before where

656
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: people could like have their we provide them with tents,

657
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: give him a warming center, you know, give him a

658
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: place to cook, give him WiFi in places to charge

659
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: their phones, and then have the service providers come there

660
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: to help like support them and the you know the

661
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Make sure they get job up TRANSI

662
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: transition out of it. Yeah, as an interim stat because

663
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: our attempts to buy a place that we could like

664
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: help them live in, like a physical home building like

665
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: got shot down. So this sniveling little bitch came into

666
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: the like you opposed it the whole time. Opposed it.

667
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Opposed it a post and a post it would prefer

668
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: for the homeless people to keep you know, shooting up

669
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: and dying and jumping in the river to kill themselves,

670
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I guess. And at that meeting where we voted to

671
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: finally approve this ship, he tried to make like a

672
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: substitute of medment, asked thing too um like put him

673
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: in hotels or something like where It's like, you ain't

674
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: never cared about this, you ain't never once actually engaged

675
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: in good faith around these issues. I don't see you

676
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: out here talking to people like maybe I go above

677
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: and beyond and I do. I'm not trying to say

678
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: that you know he should because do you do you

679
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: think do you think it? Do you think there's like

680
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: a chance that could make him have a change of

681
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: heart if he saw it firsthand? Or no, he's called

682
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: hiss called desires nah nah nah. I'm I'm like, you know,

683
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want to say I'm shocked, but

684
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: it's like the biggest sense that I'm getting is how

685
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because you know, like you're you're my homie,

686
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: and I've known you so long and I've lived with

687
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: you and seen like how much work that you put

688
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: into the ship and how much you care. It's just

689
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like I'm taking it back, you know,

690
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: by the lack of urgency that it seems that these

691
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: motherfuckers have, you know what I mean, even when you

692
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: try to deal with things urgently in this ship. This

693
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: is the other thing that maybe has brought her implications

694
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: for government in our expectations, etcetera. And the need for urgency,

695
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: the need for people to apply constant pressure, because even

696
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: when you are going full fire and all cylinders trying

697
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: to push it through, it's gonna take a year minimum

698
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: to get something done to every people have been out here, yeah,

699
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: suffering for like a year since we first started our

700
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: discussions about creating this encampment, and like we're still trying

701
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: to make it happen still. It's like so it's like

702
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: every day that passes that y'all aren't doing something on

703
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: y'all's end, it's just extending the time that when you know,

704
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sustending the time that it's gonna take

705
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: for ship to eventually get done. When stuff don't you

706
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean, people do start moving on it, right,

707
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: And if that's what happens with stuff that we're regarding

708
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: incredibly urgently, like say goodbye to your hopes. So ship

709
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: that like nobody is building a movement around or applying

710
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: political pressure for you know, we saw that. I mean, like, okay,

711
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: let's move a little bit faster than some things that

712
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: I've described here in the local government. But think about

713
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: the COVID tests. People had to bully the ship out

714
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: of Jen Psaki and President Biden and ordered for them

715
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: to even take seriously that they should send test to

716
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: people in their homes. And even with that relentless heckling,

717
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: they only said they're only sending like forward tests to everybody,

718
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: did they you know, took a while for them to

719
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: roll out. People in dorms, apartment buildings, other sorts of

720
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: like shared housing aren't able to get them because of

721
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: the way the system is set up. So like even

722
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: when you pound the door screaming at the top of

723
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: your lungs to do something, you end up getting a

724
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: half ass response. You end up it's delayed response. Like

725
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: and so I just I really grapple a lot with

726
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: like the the lumbering nature of governments. Because they are

727
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: such large institutions, there's always institutional inertia where they're so

728
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 1: used to doing things the same way that shifting course

729
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: is so difficult for them, um not to mention like

730
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: entrenched political power where it's really hard to like cry

731
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: out that people who have always been making these decisions

732
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: and never taking seriously the needs of the people, and

733
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: so like, you know, I want to give people hope.

734
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I want to give people hope. I do believe that

735
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: we've got done good things through government, but I'm losing

736
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: faith sometimes when I see ship like this bad actors

737
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: who like just refused to take seriously the urgency of

738
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: the concerns of people in the community, and then just

739
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: like the grimingly slow, sand filled gears that churn and

740
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: churn like snails pace to address these like incredibly urgent

741
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: issues that we other than other than they're just being

742
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: like a fucking rennists and ship of progressive or even

743
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: just like passionate people, you know what I mean, just

744
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: completely taking over the ship. What are some things that

745
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: that people can do in their local governments or you know,

746
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: or even in in in more national government, but just like, what,

747
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: what are some things that people can do to maybe

748
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: spurn along some of these gears and get them moving faster?

749
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it really just applying pressure with things

750
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: like calling before Yes, it's absolutely so. Before Progressive took

751
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: power here, there was a very strong, mobilized United Left

752
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: movement to push for things like in a non discrimination ordinance,

753
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: to push just push for a variety of things and

754
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: apply such pressure that folks couldn't ignore it. They had

755
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: to they had to address it. They couldn't turn away,

756
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: they couldn't you know, put on their earbuds or whatever

757
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: and listen to some you know, donkey brain but um.

758
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: And so we've us that. And now that progressives have

759
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: taken power, people like, hey, y'all got it from here,

760
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, we don't got it. We need

761
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: you all to show up and continue to put pressure

762
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: on folks because there's so many plates spinning that sometimes

763
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: people just forget what's important. Sometimes people just lose sight

764
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: of like the suffering that people are living through. And

765
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: so I mean, ultimately that's what's needed. That's always been

766
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: what's needed. Anything astounding that we have accomplished, we have

767
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: only accomplished with intense community pressure to get done. And

768
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: so I've been really reflecting a lot on the need

769
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: for us to not only like mobilize people like existing

770
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: political actors in the community, but like lift up folks

771
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: that are really suffering directly from the housing crisis, from

772
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: the gun violence epidemic, um from underemployment and like wage

773
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: exploitation to be like, Yo, let's go hop in the car,

774
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: like Yo, we'll snag some zack s fees on the way.

775
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: Come to the commission meeting and tell them yourself what

776
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: the fuss is going on out here? Because like people

777
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: like they just don't even know how to engage and

778
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: nor why why would they believe in it if no

779
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: one has ever supported them in doing so and they

780
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: have never seen government, They've never seen Yeah, And that's

781
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: what has gotten back to me with the whole voting

782
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: rights thing, is that like for somebody who has never

783
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: voted anyway, because Republican presidents, democratic presidence, they've always been poor,

784
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: they have always been in and out of jail, they

785
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: have always been losing loved ones to gone violence. They

786
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: have they're hungry day after day, like without actual material

787
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: investment and like the people's needs. I don't, I genuinely

788
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: don't think that voting rights, the passage of like photographs,

789
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: other's legislation, it's gonna matter enough to like really really

790
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: boost turned out to a degree where like the will

791
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: of the people is truly represented, like in Biden canceled

792
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: student debt, or if he just like with the stroke

793
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: of a pen, like expunged marijuana. I guess he can't

794
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: do that with strongly pen, but he can reschedule marijuana

795
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: from a class A you know, prohibitive sus sence stroke

796
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: of a pen. You know it's directly after the d

797
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: a boom um, and you know, work to exponde people's

798
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: records something that they can feel, people would believe and

799
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: people would engage, but instead like so um, just moving

800
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: along a little bit. So I wanted to talk to

801
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: you about, you know, the entrenched like black I guess

802
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: ruling class or black political class. So let's how much

803
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: support do how much support or lack thereof do you

804
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: get from them on the things that you work on,

805
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: and then how does that extend a lot of these

806
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: A lot of these black leaders in the community are

807
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: Republicans or like crypto Republicans collude with them a ton, etcetera, etcetera,

808
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: because they have cash in on the community's poverty in

809
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: exchange for their place in the political hierarchy for decades.

810
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Like they're comfortable, they're middle class, they're good they're separated

811
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: from the experience of like the truly down in the

812
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: dirt people that they claim to one help, and so

813
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: like they don't Yeah, they don't trust me because I'm

814
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: out here talking about the radical ship like setting people free,

815
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: like for real, not just performed, not just equity, not progress,

816
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: but like liberating people and bringing forward ideas that are

817
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: kind of scary and also usurping their authority because like

818
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: I ain't come and ask for their permission. I ain't

819
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: come and like you know, bend the knee and kiss

820
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: the ring about that ship, you find that that's like

821
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: something that they expect that they want, is the bending

822
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: of the absolutely hey, your dues, and it's like ship

823
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: like nah. So and this gets back to what I

824
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: was just saying about showing up for people materially. So

825
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: folks like the person I am about to talk about

826
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: next via Thornton, is this bitch who will like bring

827
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: you Eastern baskets like for your kids and like you know,

828
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: you pull up pop the trunk and like make sure

829
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: your kids have sweaters and ship like that, like showing

830
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: up for people materially in such a way that like

831
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: she has a lot of trust in the community, people

832
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: like you know, really think that she's somebody that you know,

833
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: she's a fighter, someone you can believe in because, like

834
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, you will materially show up for you, but

835
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: not in systemic ways. She has no coherent like agenda

836
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: for how to fix any of the problems that she

837
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: like she has seen she is seeing, you know, is

838
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: more like putting band aids um things. And also something

839
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: I've realized about Elvita Thornton recently is that she was

840
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: on school board for sixteen years before she became a commissioner,

841
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: and so as like a black face in a high

842
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: in a high place, she has probably always been in

843
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: rooms that are majority white people and has had and

844
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: has legitimately had to rail against um like the function

845
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: that like the white you know, white supremacist power structure

846
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: has dealts the blows they have dealt on the community.

847
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: But this has then given rise to like a fucking

848
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: neurosis of hers where even when she is allied with folks,

849
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: because a bunch of progressives supported her when she ran

850
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: like pretty much like all my homies like thought she

851
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: was the ship. So yeah, a lot of people supported her,

852
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of white progressives in this town

853
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: supported her in two thousand eighteen. This is gonna be

854
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: hard for people to hear, but um, because of like

855
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: white progressives, like white guilt about not actually knowing any

856
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Black people and having no means by which to like

857
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: put roots down in the black community and actually get

858
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: to know people. Um. Like Vida Thornton came on the

859
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: scene and everybody supported her because they didn't want to

860
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: see him racist, even though it was abundantly claire that

861
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: she didn't have a coherent agenda, even though she did

862
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: things like get so drunk at Assets and Harmony, which

863
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: was like a music event that all the candidates were at,

864
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, she had to be carried out and loaded

865
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: into a car. She couldn't walk. Um. And so I mean,

866
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: like these people, these people who were just like, oh,

867
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: black face in a high place, let's get behind them

868
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: so that we don't see him racist because we're so

869
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: scared and feel so guilty about white supremacy. Like you

870
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: have to get out into the community and actually get

871
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: to know black people, um, in order to like like

872
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: develop uh cohesive like political analysis of what's going on

873
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: and really understand what the needs are and also help

874
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: elevate leadership that will do the same. Um, I can't

875
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: imagine what it's like for white people. Actually I can,

876
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: and I don't have any like empathy for the fact

877
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: that I mean, I've had to begin rooms where nobody

878
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: looked like me my entire fucking life. So if you're

879
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: white and like you're nervous about going out on the

880
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: block and like dapping people up and giving out waters

881
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: or showing up at the food distro or going to

882
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the churches, like fucking get it together, I'm sorry, go

883
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: to these places and get to know these people. Um,

884
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: because you know folks who say, like, oh, well, we

885
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: have to support her, She's the only one. It's like, Well,

886
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: if you collaborate with communities to uplift leadership, like the

887
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: Black the Ascendant Black Miss Leadership class won't be the

888
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: only option on the table. We could have a diversity

889
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: of political thought represented in the kinds of leaders and

890
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: the kinds of candidates that we have to choose from.

891
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: But because white progressives, I mean, there's a lot of

892
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: different reasons why not. But my smoke for the folks

893
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: that supported her in two thousand and eighteen, even though

894
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: I tried to warn people that she was shipped. I

895
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: saw through her the entire time. UM. The thing that

896
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: they need to understand as well, if that do a

897
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: little bit smoke for them, is that like you can't

898
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: be scared. You gotta get out there and talk to people.

899
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: You gotta get out there and talk to people. I

900
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: don't know, that's all I really got. I don't know

901
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: I got more ship. A lot of it was decontextualized

902
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: when I went back to my draftweets, where I was like,

903
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like this could be this could have been

904
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: about anything, just like bishing about how much these people stuck.

905
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: But I wanted to bring up some concrete examples of

906
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: like the dirt they have done our community they're continuing

907
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: to do through colluding with um the Republicans. On January six,

908
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: they literally drop those maps in January like on some

909
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: anniversary ship Like, I mean, the thing is coincidence. They

910
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing. What they literally for one

911
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: of the progressives they tried to oust, they literally drew

912
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: the border of his map to look like a dick,

913
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: to like poke into his poke into it like a

914
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: like another district, as like like a literal fuck you,

915
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: like we are fucking you here's the dick. Yeah, see this,

916
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: this is again. They know that they're playing three dimensional

917
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: chess man four dimensional seven. I don't know, man, They're

918
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: playing like they're trying to win, Like they don't give

919
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: a funk what the other side is gonna say. It's

920
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: that's twis really important to me. That's why I was

921
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: really important me to come like forward about a bunch

922
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: of the ship because like, I'm tired of like y'all

923
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: didn't realize I was playing nice before, I was playing

924
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: nice before. Those days are over. I ain't got nothing

925
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: but smoke for you. Like alright, So to close it off,

926
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna do something a little bit different on this episode.

927
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: We are not going to just do the same old

928
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: rappi rap thing that we normally do because me and Mariah,

929
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, our music as that goes, we we do

930
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: a lot more than just freestyle on the mic. At

931
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: the end of the show. We're both actually, you know,

932
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: working recording artists. So, Mariah, what do you got coming up?

933
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited to announce that yesterday we told

934
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: the world that my new album Bell Ringer is coming

935
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: out on April, and we dropped the first music video

936
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: first single for the album. It's called Work. It is

937
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: um what I hope will be like the modern day

938
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: labor anthem. And so um we're gonna play that for

939
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: y'all as we close out today. Um, you know, go

940
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: check it out if you follow me on socials. Who

941
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: produced it? So this is produced by my homie Reindeer

942
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: games Um, who has been my DJ for many years

943
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and um pretty much executively produced album. So yeah, give

944
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: a listen to this. This is work. Go check out

945
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: the music video. The link to it's going to be

946
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: in the the episode description. And yeah, hopefully this will

947
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: give you some inspiration to keep fighting because, like I said,

948
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: and we need mass movements of organized people of the

949
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: multi racial working class in order to fight this ship.

950
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: No matter what happens, you know, my homies might get

951
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: kicked out of office, I might get kicked out office, whatever,

952
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: Fascist takeover whatever, we gotta be ready to fight. And

953
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: so I hope this gets you all ready to fight.

954
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: Let's right in a communication, Workers of America, hen the

955
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: campus workers in Georgia three two six five, Big, it's

956
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: sire you won't people, Which sire you won't? Which side

957
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: you won't? Deepoo? Which side are you? Oh, which sire

958
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: you won't? My people? Which side are you won't? Which

959
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: side are you won't? People? Wich side? Are you won't?

960
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: Working ship? The boxes they swipper renne mopping ship, but

961
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: we're never talking and whipping the shopping cut They packed

962
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: the beer in the walkings and stick the weird little boxes,

963
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: keep kitching for just stopping the financial marketself. And they're

964
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: talking for over fifty fifty bucks and bear the cup

965
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: in the like sixty thrifty huts and get spent on

966
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: like sitting ducks, so they get sicker getting buck. So

967
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: you ever wanted to honor them? He's my ask for

968
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: all Mohammed and collected bargaining and mazonna target and fede

969
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: to walm Martin into parking hole food to we all

970
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: give what we are to get it workers one of

971
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: the company that rising in the arguments. So are you

972
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: with them? Are you lay loof you? Need Ham said,

973
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Speaker 1: I haven't see though, and play loof you need th

974
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Speaker 1: Ham said I've be't see though, and play hoof you.

975
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Speaker 1: Need Ham said I haven't see though. Ha My said

976
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Speaker 1: I haven't see though. Ham said, I haven't seedo. Which

977
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Speaker 1: side you are? My people? Which side you oh, which

978
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: side you won't? People? Which sire you all? Which side

979
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Speaker 1: are you o? People? Which side a you won't? Which

980
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: side are you won't? My people? Which side are you all?

981
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: Imagine a minute money into badverage. Women and men in

982
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: the tragic position of bringing and patrick and wages in't

983
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: count to the shackle by capitalism. Imagine a minute money

984
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: into badvers. Citizens planned in this vineage and watching the

985
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: kitchens and stack in the linen's called packers and windings

986
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Speaker 1: and tend it's a labor extracted for pettis or if

987
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: they're coordinated to address the sort of statement of it

988
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: an organization because sucking what that's what organized but does

989
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: and not even sort of its work. The cards taking

990
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: the power from horders of bucks, but bankers off showing

991
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: they because we're turning the value away, but of those

992
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: who created the blainess. So if you're data then telling

993
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: about waking up or leader earning back, if you sat

994
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: about burning, if you gotta curious turn and you had

995
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: it with passively like it, we got your back and

996
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: were happy to have you out on the picking line,

997
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: actively work and go way which side you need? Said,

998
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: I've been seen no help with you said you need,

999
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: said I've been seen help time said I've been seen.

1000
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: Help you need, said, I've been seen, help you need, said,

1001
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: I've been z side. Are you yo? That ship was fire.

1002
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: You guys got to make sure that you go watch that,

1003
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: press the light button, comment on that ship, and be

1004
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: sure to look out for Mariah's new album, Bell Ringer

1005
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: when that ship comes out in April one. But I'm

1006
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna we're gonna keep talking about this between

1007
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: now and then. I'm sure she's gonna be dropping some

1008
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: more stuff. I know. I know I'm on there too,

1009
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: So you know, next town, next time I'm in town,

1010
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: we might want to like shoot a little some video

1011
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: things for that. Yeah, we might need to. We might

1012
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: need to. Yeah. Alright, my name is Dope Knife, and

1013
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: you have been listening to Waiting on Reparations. We are

1014
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: out and we will see you guys next week. Peace.

1015
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