1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about the midterm elections. What the heck is 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: going to happen right now? The polling doesn't look so 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: good for Republicans and even though we've seen economic gains 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: because of President Trump's policies, America, voters aren't feeling it. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 2: Yet, or at least it's not showing up in the polls. 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: So why is that, what's behind the disconnect and what 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: can Republicans do about it? Also, we were told that 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: President Trump was a drag on the ticket throughout the years, 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: but it turns out he's not. But he won't be 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: on the ballot this midterm election. So what do Republicans 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: need to do to drive turnout? We're going to ask 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: John McLoughlin. He is the CEO and partner of McLoughlin 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: as Stand Associates. He is also a Trump campaign pollster 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: and has been an advisor since twenty eleven. So who 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: better to turn to than John? Stay tuned. 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Well, John, it's always great to have you on the show. 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: You know, obviously we're still a few months out from 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: the midterm election. So a lot can happen, but we're 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on right now. I 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: guess if the election we're held today, what do you 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: think would happen. 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: The Democrats would have a slight advantage, And that's what 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: they're betting on. They're betting on the historical trends. Unlike 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: I'm an old timer at this that in two thousand 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: and two, I worked for the Republican National Committee. Jim 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: Gilmore was the head of it. The Speaker Hassert was 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: my client. Tom Davis, the chairman of in our CC, 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: was our client. And we defied history that year because 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: we've picked up eight House seats in two Senate seats, 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: so we didn't have the midterm backlash. And you know, 33 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: right now it's really a function of if the Trump 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: voters come back out, and through twenty twenty five, most 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: of the high profile races and some of the special 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: election since then, they haven't been coming back out the 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: levels they came out at. So in two thousand and two, well, 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: actually we started in two thousand moment the Virginia House 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 3: of Delegates, we targeted Bush two thousand voters because of 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: a very close race between Bush and Gore, but we 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 3: targeted Bush two thousand voters and so in led Virginia 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: we picked up sixty two out of one hundred House 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: of Delegates, we picked up twelve seats, sixty four. We 44 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: actually were up from fifty two to sixty four seats, 45 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: picked up a dozen seats, but we were coming out 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: in higher shares, and Karl Rove took that and he 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: patented into the seventy two hour program and that's what 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: we had happened in two thousand and two. So he 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: gained House seats and we gained Senate seats. The Trump voters, 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: although we were out of the one hundred and fifty 51 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: six million voters that came out in twenty twenty four, 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: he got seventy seven million, fifty percent of the turn out. 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 3: And what you've seen in the high profile races in 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, the anti Trump voters, the Kamala Harris 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: voters have come out of higher ratios in New Jersey, 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: of Virginia, the governor's races there and special elections for Congress, 57 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 3: et cetera, and special elections even in state center in Texas, 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: and the only exception was in Nasau County where Bruce Blakeman, 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: the county executive in a Democrat county point Donalcrack County. 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: He was able to win by double digits, by twelve 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: points across the board, swoop and everything because Trump ohoters 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: came back out in Nasau County because he ran against 63 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 3: Hulklhem and Donney on taxes and on crime. And now 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: he's the government. Now he's the nominee for governor, and 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: he's got to again try to broaden the Trump base 66 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: and get the Trump base to come back out in 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: New York. 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: You know, But how do Republicans do that? 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Because you know, it's sort of ironic because we were 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: told for the longest time that President Trump was a 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: drag on the ticket and then it turns out that 72 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: he actually is the ticket. And you know, Republicans obviously 73 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: owe their majorities to him in twenty twenty four, but 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: he's not going to be on the beat in November. So, like, 75 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: what do Republicans do? How do they get people? Obviously 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Democrats are really fired up right now, we see them 77 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: writing and cities and you know, so how do Republicans 78 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: get their base excited to turn out? 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's the issues and people forget this. I've worked 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump since I've advised him since twenty eleven 81 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: when we first quote a our running and what made 82 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: him unique and what propelled him in twenty fifteen to 83 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: the top of the race for the twenty sixteen nomination 84 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: was his issues, the issues that he selected, and it 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: was he was out there on immigration in twenty fifteen 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: as a hot topic issue, and the rest of the 87 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: Republican field, you know, they were trying to do deals 88 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: with the Democrats, and the vast majority of voters wanted 89 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: to stop a legal immigration and they wanted to deport 90 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: criminal legal immigrants. And by the way, on our website, 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: you know, we took a survey on January twenty seven. 92 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: Nationally eighty seven to ten all Americans would still support 93 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: deporting criminal legal migrants. You have that. And by the way, 94 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: deporting all legal immigrants with sixty two thirty two among 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: a thousand likely voters. So it's issues the Republicans. By 96 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: the way, I think the Democrats may be overreaching, for example, 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: and they're going to have this referendum in Virginia, and 98 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: I think that could be closer than I expected, because 99 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: it's just unfair people don't think that they don't want 100 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: political germandering all the time. And this is clearly a 101 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: reaction to Trump. But the difference is what the Democrats 102 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: are doing in Virginia now. Spamberger got elected governor and 103 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: she was portraying herself as a moderate Democrat, and immediately 104 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: what she's done is she's turned the state into a 105 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: sanctuary city or sanctuary state, and she has proposed increasing 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: a ton of taxes. So you have to get at 107 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 3: what the Democrats will do in Congress. That they'll open 108 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: the borders again, they'll let migrant llgials back in the 109 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: country where they're terrorists at criminals. And what they'll do 110 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: is they'll also raise taxes. Because every Democrat for Congress 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: and Senate last year voted to raise taxes when they 112 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: voted against the Trump tax cuts. And virtually every Democrat 113 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: for Congress and Senate is opposed to the Trump tax cuts. 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: So that means instead of a seventeen hundred dollars tax 115 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: cut for the average American you wanted, and by the way, 116 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: it was a seventeen hundred dollars tax increase they were 117 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: voting for. Instead, most people are getting back a thousand 118 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: dollars extra or two thousand dollars extra, higher tax refunds, 119 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: with no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and 120 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: no tax on Social Security credits. So it's the issues. 121 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: It's not whether Trump's on the ballot or not. You know, 122 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: I love Donald Trump because we worked together so well. 123 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: But he created an issue set that blue collar voters 124 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: across the country, whether it was the Ross Belt of 125 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: the Sun Belt, he was their blue collar billionaire and 126 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: he was standing up for them when people were exporting 127 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: their jobs, they were raising their taxes, when they were 128 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: taking away their health care. He was the one who 129 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: stood up for them. And now right now he's in charge. 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: But the Republicans think, oh, Trump's endorsement, I'm going to 131 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: win the election. No way, You've got to win on 132 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: the issues. Trump is term limited, He's not going to 133 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: be able to run again. 134 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: So about the issues, then, is it a mistake because 135 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: we're starting to see Republicans hedge a little bit on 136 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: mass deportations and really following through with the agenda that 137 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: was promised in the presidential election. So would that be 138 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: a mistake for Republicans to you know, change their tune 139 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: on the. 140 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: Issue it's a mistake not to fix the system. I 141 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: mean President Trump himself and a lot of his carrits 142 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: have talked about work permits. If you're here legally and 143 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: you have a job and the business needs you, We're 144 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: not going to give you citizenship or reward you for 145 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: breaking the law. But we will do is. We'll get 146 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: you work permits, but you have to again, you can't 147 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: be a criminal if you're a criminal, and by the way, 148 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: being a criminal means not just committing crimes here, but 149 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: also coming in and having been embedded. If we know 150 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: you're part of trendy adwa in Venezuela, why are you here? 151 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: I mean, you're not here to reform your life. You're here. 152 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: They're gang members that are bringing in drugs and human trafficking. 153 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: As are They need to be deported. By the way, 154 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: when you talk about the Republicans, the House passed the 155 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: Save Act, which requires voter ID for voting right and 156 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: proof of citizenship for voting. It's enormously popular eighty percent 157 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: issue right. Eighty percent of all Americans support this. The 158 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: House voted to pass with the Republicans. There there were 159 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: some Democrats, not many voted for it. I think, what 160 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 3: is it the one for Texas quite our vote report, maybe, 161 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: but the Senate's not taking it up. That's a betrayal. 162 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: If you're a Republican and you're in the Senate and 163 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: you're not giving the Senate an opportunity to vote for 164 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: a voter ID for every election and also to require 165 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: citysien ship for every election, you have missed an enormous 166 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: chance to say the Democrats are wrong in this because 167 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: the Democrats support non citizen voting. The New York City 168 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: Council last year voted to legalize non citizen voting. Fortunately 169 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: it was thrown out by a judge, a federal judge 170 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: that was unconstitutional. But what I'm getting at is, how 171 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: could they not vote for that? And if Republicans think 172 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: that I'll get Donald Trump's endorsement and I'll win, But 173 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: I'm not going to let people vote on whether they 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: need voter I do for an election, or whether you 175 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: need to be a citizen. You've just blown it. Lisa Murkowski, 176 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: she should have run on that so the Alaskans could 177 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: vote her out. I mean, it's just it's a huge 178 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: mistake not to fulfill the basic seventy eighty percent issues 179 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: that the vast majority of Republican support. It was the 180 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: RNC platform when Donald Trump got nominated in Milwaukee. I mean, 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: all those issues were extremely popular. 182 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a quick commercial break. More with 183 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: John on the other side. Why do you think, you know, 184 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: obviously we have seen real world gains in terms of 185 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: the economy, both in growth with inflation cooling. You know, objectively, 186 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but things are being turned around. But 187 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: it's not yet hit with voters in polling in terms 188 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: of their perception of the economy. 189 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: What's what the disconnect? Why is that? 190 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 3: Oh? I think the first thing is the real damage 191 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: that Biden Harris did with their inflation, because we still 192 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: get seventy nine percent four to five voters say and 193 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: they were, you know, negatively impacted by the four years 194 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: of Biden Harris inflation. So its deep. I mean, mortgages 195 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 3: were you know, half over six percent. Food prices went 196 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: up and it's a lot, you know, and it's hard 197 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: to bring them down. And healthcare prices went up, and uh, 198 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 3: you know you're looking at you know, people said the 199 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: rents went up, et cetera. Gas prices early we have 200 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: so it takes time for come back down. And it's 201 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 3: case in point in our national survey of a thousand 202 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 3: likely voters that we had at the end of January, 203 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: when we asked them about is the economy getting better 204 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: or worse? Had you had only thirty eight percent saying 205 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: it was getting better and over fifty percent were saying 206 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: it was getting worse. But when you read them a 207 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: list of things that in effect that you said when 208 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: we and when I wrote the question, I had Steve 209 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: Forbes and Larry Kudlow and Steve Moore help it and 210 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: and Steve Moore says, and I'll read you the question, 211 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: but he says, is isn't that a leading question? Because 212 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 3: you're telling them that the economy is getting better? And 213 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: when we told him that, they said sixty three to 214 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: pardon me six, it was sixty two to thirty two. 215 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: They said it was getting better. And and let me 216 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 3: just find the exact wording here, because ye, now, if 217 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: you knew were true that the economy is growing, inflation 218 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 3: is being reduced, wages a rising fast and inflation, consumer 219 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: spending is up, Unemployment is low, interest rates are being cut, 220 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 3: business investment is up, and the federal taxes are being cut. 221 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: Would you say the economy is getting a lot better, 222 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: somewhat better, somewhat worse, or a lot worse. Sixty three 223 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 3: thirty two. They said it's getting better. And that's after 224 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: they told us that it was going to get that 225 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: it was getting worse. Part of me, it was thirty 226 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: nine getting better, fifty four worse in January. So their 227 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: opinion flips, don't They don't normally do that. And you 228 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: know what the biggest difference was, the biggest difference was 229 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: where they got their information. If they were if they 230 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 3: watched right of center cable news channels which four to 231 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: ten due whether it's Fox News, Newsmax eighty three to sixteen, 232 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: they said the economy is getting better when they were 233 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: read that information. If they were left of center cable, 234 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: it's split forty six forty eight. Don't watch cable, they 235 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: flipped fifty nine to thirty five. So the majority of 236 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: voters before they got that information didn't believe it was 237 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: true because they're not hearing it. The Republicans are not 238 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: telling them. We're in our little echo chamber of conservative 239 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: news media. And unlike the campaign, when we ran the 240 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: Trump campaign, we had these rallies that went around the media, 241 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: we went if done around them, we went right through them. 242 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: Direct communications, social media. We would when somebody wanted to 243 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: go to Trump's rally. You get one hundred thousand people 244 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: at the rally, we would have hundreds of thousands send 245 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: us their emails and cell phones and we would then 246 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: send them information about how Trump's proposal to renew his 247 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: tax cuts, how he talked about growing the economy holding 248 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: down inflation. So what's going on right now is if 249 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: you watch CNN or MSNBC or PBS, you're not getting 250 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: any good information about the economy. You don't hear about 251 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 3: how the consumer price index is getting better, confidence is 252 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: going up. You don't hear about that. Oh, by the way, 253 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: the inflation index is lower than the growth of real 254 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: way age. Is new. But they need to see it themselves. 255 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you another big thing is the average 256 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: person who they don't get pay stumbs anymore. Like back 257 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: in the eighties, though Ronald Reagan had his tax cuts, 258 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: you can see your net pay would go up. So 259 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: now you get to transfer into your account for your 260 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: employer or whatever. So it's on your Apple wallet, your iPhone, 261 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: your whatever account. You have your bank account at the 262 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: end of the month, you gave your credit card bill 263 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: and you look how much do you ow? And it 264 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: used to be maybe two three hundred dollars. You know, 265 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: I have to do bop broceries. When Donald Trump was 266 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: in his first term, and then after Joe Biden who 267 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: was going up three four or five paying a bigger 268 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: credit card bill, of which the interest rates the banks 269 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: are charging on average or over twenty percent, So people 270 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: are not seeing the real economic benefit until now. You're 271 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: going to see some people go to their accounts, have 272 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: their tax is done, which most Americans do, and instead 273 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: of paying taxes, they're going to get a refund or 274 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: a larger refund then they got last year, and they'll realize, hey, 275 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: there was something going on here that's working. And then 276 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: they'll also they'll see that there's more opportunities for jobs 277 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: and better paying jobs. And that takes time, but you 278 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: got to constantly tell them. And I mean, when things 279 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: are bad, people know it. And it's taking a long 280 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: time to recover from the bad effects of the Biden 281 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: Harris inflation. 282 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Then how do you get the message out Because I 283 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: know that with the pulling when people were informed, their 284 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: opinions changed, but you got to inform them. And if 285 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: they're not watching Fox or they're not watching networks that 286 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: are being honest with what's happening in the economy, how 287 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: do you reach them. 288 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: How do you get the message out? 289 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: Well? In campaigns, you have to tell point out. You 290 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: have to raise the money. So you can run digital edge, 291 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: you can run streaming edge, you can run paid cable radio, 292 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: and also you can send direct mail for old de voters. 293 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: But you got to raise the money and tell them 294 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: because the Democrats are going to tell them something else. 295 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: And there's a point in contrast. The Republicans ought to 296 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: have an aggressive scorecard against the Democrats. But the key 297 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: thing is, how can any Democrat win a race on 298 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: affordability when they voted to raise your taxes. When they 299 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: voted against the trumb tax cuts, you would have had 300 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: the largest tax increase in the history of America four 301 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: point five trillion dollars and raising taxes on the average 302 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: person seventeen hundred dollars. Instead, you're getting about one thousand 303 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: dollars pay cut, which is a three thousand dollars So 304 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: the Republicans, instead of kind of getting on defense on 305 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: the Democrats, they need to run against every Democrats saying 306 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: you would have voted to raise taxes on everybody. You 307 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: are against the tax cuts for So Security recipients. You're 308 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: against your four more taxes on tips, You're four more 309 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: taxes on over time, your four more taxes on people's 310 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: earnings and capital gains. You know, you created the problem 311 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: that the gas was five dollars a gallon on average, 312 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: and you created the problem that everybody was paying more. 313 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: And there's no way we should be losing on an 314 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: issue called affordability to the Democrats, because the Democrats are 315 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: the most un affordable platform that we would have, and 316 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: we've got to turn around. We've got to hit them hard. 317 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: And this is what they would do with by the way, 318 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: their contrast, I mean going back to history, when George W. 319 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 3: Bush was able to pick up House and Senate seats 320 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: in that midterm election, he had a tax cut that 321 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: went into effect and grew the economy in the second quarter. 322 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: He pumped the economy after nine to eleven, full of 323 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: money that he had a grown economy. Weired in recession 324 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: and Trump, without a doubt, the President's always telling people 325 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: that the economy is growing, it's getting better. He puts 326 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: out things every day on to social but they need 327 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: to go back to campaign mode and have a contrast 328 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: with the Democrats. If you're running for Congress or if 329 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: you're running for Senate, it's your race. You set the 330 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 3: agenda against your opponent. You need to let them know 331 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: that your opponent voted to raise taxes on them, voted 332 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: to increase inflation, voted to increase federal spending, voted for 333 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 3: higher help care costs and higher insurance. And you know, 334 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: it's just it's just a matter of just direct communications. 335 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: And you could do it now with social media. You 336 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: could do it now with the They should be on 337 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: your podcast calling out their opponents. You can get the 338 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: message out. You just have to work at it. 339 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: Excuse me. 340 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, when we look ahead at two thousand and 341 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: twenty eight, who on the left do you think right 342 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: now has the best shot of becoming the Democrat nominee? 343 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: Like? 344 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: What do you think? 345 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like right now the left is 346 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: sort of going through an identity crisis. I don't know, 347 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing progressives when the selection cycle. 348 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: I hope it's not what we saw with the Tea Party, because. 349 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: The Tea Party you know, led to you know, Republicans 350 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: picking up sixty three seats in the House. I was 351 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: at the NRC seat during that twenty ten election cycle, 352 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: So I hope that's not the kind of energy that 353 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: they're seeing on the left. But like, where do you 354 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: think the Democrat Party like, you know, who wins out 355 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: in sort of this internal ideological battle that is clearly happening. 356 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: You're right that they're having this huge battle and the 357 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: Republicans don't know how to use it for their They're good. 358 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: I mean, for example, the Republicans did not have a 359 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: strong candidate for mayor in New York City last year, 360 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: and Cuomo and Adams being so unpopular at the time 361 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: with a majority of voters in New York City, wouldn't 362 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 3: both of them, whether it's a Democrat primary, whether it's uh, 363 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: whether it's the general election, you had you know, you 364 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: had a socialist, a Democrat Socialist of American DORS candidate 365 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: in Zora and Mundami run and he was able to 366 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: win rank choice volty. That's another dumb Democratic idea about work. 367 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: It's actually smart for them, banned for us. That helps 368 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: the far left win inside their party. You know you're 369 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: going to have a you're going to have a progressive 370 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: I call them socialists, big government socialists. Well, yeah, probably 371 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: with our marks, you know, big government socialists. Yeah, because 372 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: younger voters born after nineteen eighty nine have no idea 373 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: what communism was like, so they think it's Finland or Sweden. 374 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: They don't know what the cruelty of the Soviet Union. 375 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 3: But they understand big government because they all live through COVID, 376 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: and big government tells you what to do, and that's 377 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: what you've got. So zorheim Mandani right now, as the 378 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 3: mayor of New York City is telling Kathy Hokeel that 379 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: if she does not give him a corporate tax increase 380 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: that will kill jobs and hurt the New York economy, 381 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: or raise taxes on They have a proposal to raise 382 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: income taxes on people O before and fifty thousand, which 383 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: will be a tax on sub chapter of small businesses. 384 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: If he doesn't get that tax for the spending he 385 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: wants to have, he's going to have a ten percent 386 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: property tax hike on homeowners. But this is the socialist, 387 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 3: the big government socialist, and the Democrat party dictating the tail, 388 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 3: is wagging the door, dictating their agenda, and that's going 389 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 3: to happen nationally. But in the primary to your original question, 390 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: when we asked in this January end of January survey 391 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: among Democrat prior roars nationally, Kamala Harris has gone back ahead, 392 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: but Gavin Newsom was at one point in September ahead 393 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: because of Prop fifty in California. So Harris, you know, 394 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: national preference, Harris is twenty seven, Newsom was fourteen bootage 395 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: eded eight AOC Alexandria Passio Cortez at seven. So there's 396 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: a socialist wing in that party that's younger and very active. 397 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: That the bear part is for us is that they 398 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: could nominate a socialists, but the bad part is they 399 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 3: could get elected. So you know, it's like younger Bernie 400 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: Sanders and they have them, and somebody's going to come 401 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 3: out of the primary and it's going to be more 402 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: anti Trump and more radical than we expect, which you 403 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: know would be good for JD. Vansley's and most poles. 404 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: He was leading in our polls right now. If we 405 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 3: lose the House and Center, I think we'll have more 406 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: of a free for all in our priority and less 407 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 3: less structured. 408 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: But you think it'll be though, because you know, I 409 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: like jd. 410 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: Vancelot. He was very impressive during the vice presidential debate. 411 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: Clearly a really smart guy, and President Trump seems to 412 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: think a lot of him. But like President Trump is 413 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: just such a unique force, like even outside of his 414 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: viewpoints on the issues, which obviously he completely changed, like 415 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: the whole entire structure of the Republican Party, Like it 416 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: was a complete realignment, as you know, someone who worked 417 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, on the races right and with him, But 418 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: he's so unique, you know, even just like the McDonald's 419 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: thing and then try like no one else can do that, 420 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, Like he's just like he's just so different. 421 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: So like is it even possible for Republicans to carry 422 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: that mantle forward because it's like, you know who else, 423 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Like there's just no one else like him, period. 424 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 3: You're right, he's totally He's truly historic and there's no 425 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: one like him. But on the other hand, what's different 426 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: is his movement. We created that movement and that was 427 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: by design, and it was when he got into the 428 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: Republican primaries. We decided that he was going to appeal 429 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: to blue collar voters who wanted to you know, there's 430 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 3: a lot of men and women throughout America that field 431 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: were being exploited, and that America is being exploited, that 432 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: they're personally being exploited, their family, their opportunities, their standard 433 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 3: of living. And that was his appeal and it was 434 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: his He those tens of millions of voters are there, 435 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: and he decided he was going to be their leader. 436 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 3: And at one point during the summer of twenty sixteen, 437 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: we were up in his office and he says in 438 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 3: the twenty sixth floor of Trump Twle, and he's saying 439 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 3: to me, he says, how are we going to win? 440 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: All these polls have Hillary Clinton ahead? And he said, 441 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: first of all, you're going to you're going to maximize 442 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 3: the anti Hillary Clinton voter. Most Americans don't like her, 443 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: and you'll get ninety percent of those voters. Then you're 444 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: going to siphon up libertarian voters because Gary Johnson was 445 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: running at ten percent. And I said, said, you'll siphon 446 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: up those voters because it's either you or Hillary, so 447 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: there's no choice. They have to make a decision. And 448 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: I said, the third part is millions of voters have 449 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: been walking away from the Republican Party, where if you 450 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: look at eight twenty ten voters. They didn't vote in 451 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: twenty twelve because Mitt Rowney they thought was the guy 452 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: that would fire at work and take away their healthcare. 453 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: So the country club Republicans that were leading our party 454 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: had lost touch and Trump was our blue collar billionaire. 455 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: And I said, what you are willing to do is 456 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 3: you're going to motivate millions of new voters to come 457 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: into the election with the Republican Party, and these new 458 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: voters will help us beat Hillary. And that's exactly what 459 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 3: we did, whether it was the russ Belt or the 460 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 3: Sun Belt, that's how he was able to He motivated 461 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: new voters, so you had a higher turnout. Instead of 462 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty million like twenty twelve, we had 463 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty nine million voters come out. And 464 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: he was doing it ever since then, and we did 465 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: it in twenty twenty four. So you'd had new voters 466 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: come out pennsylv and Michigan and Wisconsin, and it was 467 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: all over the country, even in New Jersey, New York, California. 468 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: You had to hire turnouts for Trump, but they were 469 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 3: blue collar voters coming in. And the bad part about 470 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 3: the Republican Party is it's still a country club where 471 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: they don't they don't understand these voters. They don't know 472 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 3: how to appeal to them on the issues. And they 473 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: are now seeing a process where in twenty twenty five 474 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: in a lot of places they stayed home. And it's 475 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: the issues and if you cannot appeal to a blue 476 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 3: collar worker. And like Trump, by the way, when he 477 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: was during the campaign in twenty twenty four, he comes 478 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: up with these ideas because of his gut, his instinct, 479 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 3: and because he loves working class people and he's like saying, 480 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: they're talking to a waitress in Las Vegas, and he 481 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 3: got the idea for no tax on tips, and you know, 482 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: then we got a pollo after the fact, I like, 483 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 3: oh yeah, by the way, over seventy percent support no 484 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: tax on tips all voters. Makes sense to working people 485 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: that you give them more of what they aren't. And 486 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: but you know, the Republican Party now they think of 487 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: ways not to give people money and not to help 488 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 3: working class people. That's a huge mistake. So if whomever 489 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 3: wants to win the nomination twenty twenty eight, if you 490 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: can build on and keep the Trump coalition together, you 491 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: have a shot to beat the Democrat coalition, which is 492 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: you know, Harris and Biden. So but you have to 493 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: you have to appeal to them on the issues. You 494 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: have to motivate them quick break. 495 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please you're on social 496 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: media or send it to your family and friends. 497 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen this November? 498 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: There's November. It's going to be I think it's going 499 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 3: to be a close election. Our generic ballot through most 500 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five, the generic Republican was leading the Democrats, 501 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 3: and then at some point in January flipped. We had 502 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: us down two points and the end I've seen polls 503 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: where we're down two or three or four points right 504 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: now in the good polls, not not like if you 505 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: go to the real pot Talks average and you look 506 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: at the economists, you go fall of adults. They have 507 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: more Harris voters than Trump owters by like ten or 508 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: twelve points. How do you do that? In the poll 509 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: we got fifty percent of the vote, they got only 510 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 3: thirty four trump os. They have more liberals and conservatives, 511 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 3: more Democrats than Republicans. So it's the opposite. You know, 512 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: a lot of these media polls are the opposite of reality. 513 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: So they're using the polls to kind of suppress us 514 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: and see how stupid the Republicans are if they're gullible 515 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: and believe this. And so I think what should happen 516 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: is the Republicans should run a very issue or in 517 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: the campaign. They should follow up on Trump's suggestion to 518 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: have a mid term convention. But the most important that 519 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: thing about that convention would be a midterm platform that 520 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: every Republican would have to sign on to, Like the 521 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: Contract for America back in ninety four where they flipped 522 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: the House, you'd have to have, you know, basically a 523 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 3: contract that you support. You know, we need voter ID 524 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: to vote elections. We need only citizens voting in American elections. 525 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: We need secure boards, We need to deport curdle legal owners. 526 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: We need to have an insurance system where the consumer 527 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: controls the money, not the insurance companies and certainly not 528 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: the government. And we need to have you know, even 529 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: more tax cuts, like indexing capital gains so if you 530 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: sell your house, you keep more of what you're earned, 531 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 3: so that people would sell our houses, so you'd have 532 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: more supply in the market, so that the price of 533 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: houses could get a you have lower interest rates, which 534 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: absolutely banks should not be charging over twenty percent interest 535 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: rates on credit cards when there's you know, inflation is 536 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: less than three percent right now, So why doesn't somebody 537 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: have a credit card by the rate of inflation plus 538 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: the rate of you know, color points above prime? I know, 539 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: you know it should be you know, it should be 540 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: close to what you pay for a mortgage. It shouldn't 541 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: be in loan sharks charged only twenty percent. You probably 542 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: get a better deal from a loan shark than a 543 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: bank on a credit card. And so this the Republicans 544 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: need to have an issue agenda that appeals to working 545 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: class Americans so that they can come back out and 546 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: vote against the big government socialists and the their crap party. 547 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: And it's pretty simple. People vote for themselves and they 548 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: vote on issues what's best for their own interests. And 549 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: the Republicans need to have that agenda and not let 550 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: the Democrats run on free bus rides and taxing the 551 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: rich things that things that appeal to the big government socialists. 552 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: We can't let them take our country that way. 553 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: And then before we go, is there is there anything 554 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: else you want to convey and get across? 555 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: I think if Republicans, you know, if they're relying on 556 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 3: Donald Trump to carry them this November. There they've got 557 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: up backwards. They need to get out front on the issues, 558 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: play offense against the Democrats, tell the voters why those 559 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: Democrats are wrong and dead for America. And guess what, 560 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: but President Trump will be there back in them up 561 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: the whole way and and you know and leading the charge. 562 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: But but it's about the issues for the American people. 563 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 3: I mean, if you if when you go to vote, 564 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: you should feel you're voting for somebody who will lower 565 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: your taxes, create jobs, keep inflation down, make sure America 566 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: is strong, in a peace, secure our borders. I mean, 567 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: it's there's the issues will decide the race. If you 568 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: you know, if you're just going to you know, worry 569 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: about you know, fake polls for the media and uh 570 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: and distance yourself from the agenda and from the working 571 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: class people, we'll get burier Nomember. So we need to 572 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: we need to go play offense again. We need to 573 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: hold the Democrats accountable. 574 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: John, thanks for joining. Always appreciate your insight. 575 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Lisa, thanks for the opportunity. 576 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: It was John McLoughlin, appreciate him for taking the time 577 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home 578 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. 579 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: But you can listen throughout the week. 580 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: I also want to thank John Cassio and my producer 581 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: for putting the show together. 582 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: Until next time.