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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by called Lida Health.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into One Bill's Live. We made it to Friday. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Valentine's Day to you. We've got CBS Sports NFL

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Speaker 2: Draft analyst Chris Trepasso filling in today. I'm Maddi Glab

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Speaker 2: filling in for Chris Brown. In the off season, our

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Speaker 2: guys takes a much deserved vacation, so we're happy to

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Speaker 2: sit on this set today and talk about the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: talk about the off season, free agency, the NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: coming up soon enough, the NFL Scouting combine in two weeks. Chris,

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe it. You are a draft analyst, so

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Speaker 2: you have to be knee deep in watching tape right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 4: What I've been saying is like, right, it for the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl ended. For a lot of people, there's like

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Speaker 4: this let down just general football fans. You're exhale and

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Speaker 4: you're like, all right, I'm not gonna watch football for

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Speaker 4: a while. For a lot of Bills fans, it was

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Speaker 4: a great Super Bowl this year, and but for me

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Speaker 4: it's like, no, this is when I actually watch more football.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching Georgia Alabama over and over again in LSU

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Speaker 4: games and Big Ten games ACC games. So I'm knee

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Speaker 4: deep in NFL or college film work for the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 4: Really exciting to be able to get right back into

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Speaker 4: it here on this show and then in the Combine

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Speaker 4: in a few weeks, and the draft will be here

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Speaker 4: sooner than we know it.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it. The end of April is when

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Speaker 2: that draft happens. And you know what else happens toward

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Speaker 2: the end of April. Players report April twenty first do

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Speaker 2: you blink? And then players are already back in the

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Speaker 2: building for off season workouts. And yesterday, in fact, I

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Speaker 2: was walking through the building and saw several of our

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Speaker 2: guys already back. I ran into who's going to be

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Speaker 2: a second year running back, Ray Davis, walking through the hallways,

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Speaker 2: and I said, Ray, what are you doing back here?

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Speaker 2: I was shocked. He said, Maddie, I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: here on and off throughout the entire offseason working out.

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Speaker 5: It's a good sign.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be here quite a bit. So it

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Speaker 2: was awesome to see him back in the building. He

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Speaker 2: seemed happy about the rookie season, and I said, did

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Speaker 2: you did you have a chance to reflect on this

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Speaker 2: year at all and the playoff appearance that you guys had.

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Speaker 2: You Ray Davis had a playoff touchdown and he said,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe I'll cry one day about not making

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl, but I'm working and preparing for next

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That's always a good sign, especially someone that wasn't a

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Speaker 4: first round pick.

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Speaker 5: He was a fourth rounder.

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Speaker 4: He's clearly behind James Cook that he's not just spending

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Speaker 4: the entire offseason away, which a lot of players can,

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Speaker 4: and they get workouts in right in their hometown or

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Speaker 4: back of their college program. But to be here shows

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Speaker 4: the dedication and I think that speaks to the character

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Speaker 4: that we all have come to know with Ray Davis

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Speaker 4: and that he is a extremely hard worker. It's not

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Speaker 4: surprising actually that you saw him here just last week.

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Speaker 2: I think it's good for rookies to do something like

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Speaker 2: that because you continue to pour into the building that

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Speaker 2: drafted you, You continue to get a better feel for

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Speaker 2: your surroundings. Your rookie season is all about figuring it out,

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Speaker 2: figuring out the offense or defense, understanding how the coaching

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Speaker 2: staff operates, your strength staff operates, and to be back,

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Speaker 2: you know, just a couple weeks after the season has

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Speaker 2: I think says a lot about him wanting to feel

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point, And what I would say

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Speaker 4: off of that is two things. Number One, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know this better than I do, but the Bill's

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Speaker 4: facilities in terms of recovery and strength training, like that's

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Speaker 4: going to be better than University of Kentucky or really

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Speaker 4: anywhere else that these players can go. And to your

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Speaker 4: people that drafted you. What I've always heard, and I

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Speaker 4: do a lot of young player analysis for CBS Sports,

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Speaker 4: it's like rookie year, Like you're saying, you're trying to

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Speaker 4: just learn the playbook, get by. It's a longer season,

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Speaker 4: not hit that rookie wall. It's that next offseason where

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Speaker 4: you really learn to become a professional. And that's you're

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Speaker 4: not worrying about, you know, final exams or prepping for

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Speaker 4: good sign again for a young player going into year

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Speaker 2: Now, as we are speaking about the NFL Draft a

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Speaker 2: little bit, give us a teaser. What are some positions

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Speaker 2: of depth in this year's draft. It doesn't need to

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Speaker 2: relate to what Buffalo's needs are, but what are you

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Speaker 4: But it actually does and the perfect segue we were

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Speaker 4: talking about the super Bowl. The biggest takeaway that everyone

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Speaker 5: The Eagles defensive line was just.

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Speaker 4: Dominating on first down, got after Patrick Mahomes sacked him

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Speaker 4: Chiefs like the Eagles did. The Bills need defensive linemen.

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Speaker 4: It is super deep defensive tackle and at edge rusher.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna see those blue chippers, the abdual Carters, the

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Speaker 4: Mason Grahams, but also well into the second and third round,

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Speaker 4: late first round, are still some blue chip players there.

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Speaker 4: So those two spots, more so than the more flashy

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Speaker 4: positions quarterback and wide receiver are the best positions in

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Speaker 4: this draft.

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Speaker 2: Have you done any mock drafts yet?

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Speaker 5: Yes, CBS can stop.

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Speaker 2: When did you start doing them? For the twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: They have me doing them like in September?

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Speaker 4: Were there very like just just hitter mass, like just

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Speaker 4: kind of throw in players that you're watching that you

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Speaker 4: think now. So really when bowl season starts January, they're

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Speaker 4: they're like, we put more into them. And of course

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Speaker 4: after the Senior Bowl and then leading into the Combine,

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Speaker 4: there's more strategy and you have to kind of look

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Speaker 4: at different trades. But yes, I am a mock draft machine.

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Speaker 4: At least one every single week. You probably include some.

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Speaker 5: Yes in mock draft.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you do mock draft watch.

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Speaker 4: Well, there will not be a shortage of me of

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Speaker 2: All right, most recent one that you've done. Who do

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Speaker 2: can remember, I know you've probably done it.

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Speaker 5: I really going to say a million.

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Speaker 2: Who I think we're in the last few that you've done.

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Speaker 4: And you can recall a name, Nick Scourton from Texas

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Speaker 4: amazing at Purdue two years ago, transfers into the SEC

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Speaker 4: Nick Scoverton is going to be huge because at that side,

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Speaker 4: how athletic is he going to test? And maybe for

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Speaker 4: so he gets to them where they wouldn't have to

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Speaker 4: trade up. But there will not be a shortage of

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Speaker 4: mock drafts from me, and there will not be a

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Speaker 4: shortage of defensive tackles and edge rushers potentially for the

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Speaker 4: Bills to pick late in the first round.

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Speaker 2: I love to hear that we spoke about the mock

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Speaker 2: draft watch yesterday. It's coming with Steve Tasker, and I'm

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Speaker 2: pulling up my Excel spreadsheet to see which one I've

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Speaker 2: tracked from yours. It was January twenty ninth, was the

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Speaker 2: last one I have tracked from a mock draft that

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Speaker 2: you released. You had the Bills taking Kenneth Grant out

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Speaker 2: of Michigan. Who's been Who's been a favorite already? Amongst

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Speaker 2: the ones that I've tracked Kenneth Grant, what does he

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Speaker 4: defensive players off the board at Michigan, and you think

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Speaker 4: that Kenneth Grant is smaller because he moves like he's

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Speaker 4: maybe six foot and around three hundred pounds, NonStop motor.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not a great pass rusher, awesome run defender, and

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Speaker 4: with what development and coaching can do. And Kenneth Grant,

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Speaker 5: To his size.

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Speaker 2: Give me a big defensive lineman on the inside with

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Speaker 2: we have and at Oliver, that is something I want

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Speaker 2: for the interior of Buffalo's defensive line. You saw it

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing too with that, which I wrote

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Speaker 4: Yeah, second and third down, A lot of those splash

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Speaker 5: That is huge and.

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Speaker 4: Opens up so many possibilities for what a defense can

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Speaker 2: cool episode because Mina had Ravens safety Kyle Hamilton and

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl game, which was incredible to hear two

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Speaker 2: other NFL players who didn't play in the game kind

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Speaker 2: it went, and to your point of the se second

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Speaker 2: That's what Kyle Hamilton pointed out about what Phillies defense

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So during the regular season and then leading all the

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Speaker 4: like forty three percent of their offensive place in that

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Speaker 5: But always have to say that it's true. You got

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Speaker 2: as they go through that process, they're looking to possibly

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Speaker 2: We've already seen Buffalo do this. Forbes's most recent valuation

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this seemed like it was a formality that the NFL,

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Speaker 2: Well, Lamar and the Tish families each owned fifty percent

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Speaker 2: Where can I find seventy five million dollars in the

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Speaker 5: And it's kind of like how high can it go?

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Speaker 2: Most definitely, and as other NFL players have watched the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Burrow as well in Hey, I know what

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Speaker 4: And what's so ironic and fascinating about this is that

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Speaker 4: re sign them. Yeah, they did really nothing in free

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Speaker 4: agency to bolster the roster. So it's interesting that now

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones is having his most marquee player. I think

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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons, who is like borderline defensive Player of the

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Speaker 4: Year candidate every year, come out and say, hey, like

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Speaker 4: give him a little nudge in the media, which is

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Speaker 4: where Jerry wants to kind of control the narrative of

447
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Speaker 4: we got to do something here. Whether we need a

448
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Speaker 4: draft better, we can only do that every draft class,

449
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Speaker 4: but in free agency or via trade, we need to

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Speaker 4: do more to build this roster because, like you said,

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl champion is in their division and they're

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Speaker 4: not necessarily going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: And so are the Washington commander. You got to play

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Speaker 2: catch up with two teams who are climbing that mountain

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Speaker 2: rather quickly. It's never too early to look ahead to

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl of the twenty twenty five season, or

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Speaker 2: shall I say twenty twenty six, because that's when it

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Speaker 2: will be played in February. That's Super Bowl sixty. ESPN

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Speaker 2: asked thirteen of their NFL experts to make predictions of

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Speaker 2: next year's Super Bowl. Four of the thirteen have the

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Speaker 2: Bills in the Super Bowl, and three of those four

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Speaker 2: have Buffalo winning it. So who are those people? Jeremy Fowler,

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Speaker 2: and national NFL reporter, has the Bills over the Rams,

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Speaker 2: saying the Buffalo breakthrough will happen after the team adds

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Speaker 2: key pieces this offseason. The Rams are not far off.

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Speaker 2: Their defense will be elite next season. Eric Moody, a

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Speaker 2: fantasy analyst, also had the Bills over the Lions. Many

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Speaker 2: thought these two teams would make the Super Bowl this

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Speaker 2: past season. I don't think either needs many changes roster

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Speaker 2: wise to make that leap. And then finally, Aaron Schatz,

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Speaker 2: NFL analysts has the Bills over the Lions as well.

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Speaker 2: America gets the Super Bowl it wanted the previous season,

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Speaker 2: as Josh Allen finally wins the AFC and Detroit has

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Speaker 2: another strong and healthier season despite new coordinators on both

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Speaker 2: sides of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that last point with the Lions, if

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Speaker 4: just to speak on them quickly, that will be the

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Speaker 4: biggest challenge for them because Ben Johnson was probably the

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Speaker 4: most creative offensive coordinator in football. Now he's in the

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Speaker 4: division in Chicago, but the talent is certainly there, and

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Speaker 4: like Aaron saying, they're probably not going to be as

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Speaker 4: injured with four of the thirteen picking the Bills, I

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Speaker 4: think it's just a testament to last offseason. There were

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Speaker 4: a lot of question marks and skepticism about how is

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Speaker 4: this bill seem going to look? Who's going to catch passes?

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Speaker 4: And that we kind of said, I think maybe the

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Speaker 4: Gabe Davis and Stefan Diggs departures are actually additions by

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Speaker 4: subtraction in that they can spread around the football and

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Speaker 4: it's not so obvious that Josh Allen is going to

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Speaker 4: be funneling passes to those two playersultimately worked. So all

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Speaker 4: the criticism of, hey, this Bill's roster doesn't really have

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Speaker 4: the fire power to stay with the Bengals and the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs and the Ravens. In the AFC, they average thirty

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Speaker 4: one points a game, so I think that is huge

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Speaker 4: and on the flip side of the Lions kind of dilemma,

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Speaker 4: the Bills bring back both coordinators, and we saw so

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Speaker 4: many different coordinators get posts from these playoff teams teams

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Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl. The Bills bring back Joe Brady

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Speaker 4: for now his second full season being very successful at

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, and same with Bobby babbitte So I think

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Speaker 4: the Bills after a season where there was a lot

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Speaker 4: of thought that they were kind of a tattered group

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Speaker 4: where there was not a lot of continuity, now they

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Speaker 4: have a lot of that. So it's not surprising that

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Speaker 4: there's that much optimism for the Bills to go one

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Speaker 4: step further than they got this past season.

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Speaker 2: It's funny how quickly opinions change the NFL.

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Speaker 5: It's rapid ques.

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Speaker 2: It's year by year. Ah, this team is retooling. This

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Speaker 2: team isn't going to win the AFC East to what

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Speaker 2: they did in twenty twenty four. Man in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: this team could win the Super Bowl because they are

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Speaker 2: not far off. I believe it as well. I don't

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Speaker 2: think they're far off by any means. You draft, well,

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Speaker 2: you grab some new players who are going to add

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Speaker 2: to this roster and free agency, and I think you

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Speaker 2: have the makings of the Super Bowl roster.

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Speaker 4: I want to bring up on another point too, that's

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Speaker 4: about continuity. The Baltimore Ravens left tackle Ronnie Stanley is

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Speaker 4: a free agent. The Ravens do not have a long history.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's part of their team building DNA

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Speaker 4: or philosophy to retain a lot of those higher price

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Speaker 4: free agents. They like to work the compig formula get

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Speaker 4: those players. And the Chiefs Tray Smith, the right guard,

525
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Speaker 4: who is a punishing rate guard. He's a free agent.

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Speaker 4: They have a lot of question marks at left tackle.

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Speaker 4: Beyond bringing back the offensive and defensive coordinators, the Bills

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Speaker 4: are bringing back their entire offensive line that was a

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Speaker 4: much better unit and helped fuel a huge breakout from

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Speaker 4: James Cook, Ty Johnson, Ray Davis. Josh Allen was barely sacked.

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Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of that is Josh Allen, we know,

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Speaker 4: but we can all agree anyone would agree that the

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Speaker 4: offensive line was better. So there's some serious and important

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Speaker 4: continuity on the offensive side for the Bills.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, Buffalo's offensive line allowed a league

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Speaker 2: low twenty four sacks, and then in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: they allow ten less, also a league low in fourteen

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Speaker 2: that was around the NFL presented by Clyde Health, the

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Speaker 2: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. Before we go

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Speaker 2: to break, we've got some listeners who are calling in

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Speaker 2: want to chime in on the conversation. So let's go

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Speaker 2: over to Judy, who's with us in Buffalo? Judy, how

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Speaker 2: are you doing today?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm good. You know, I just think we're over

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Speaker 6: bailing our quarterback. He had a breaking, very good line

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Speaker 6: and we have two backups we have.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ray Davis.

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Speaker 2: Judy, are you still with us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm I'm with you. So my point is that

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Speaker 6: we we are over bailing, over bailing him because we

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Speaker 6: have a really good offensive line and I'm wondering how

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Speaker 6: good uh Ray Davis is.

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Speaker 1: I would like to.

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Speaker 6: See him maybe as a threat to UH.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying, Ray Davis, you think it should have

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Speaker 2: an opportunity next year compared to James Cook.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, I I hope we don't go

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Speaker 6: overboard on these people, other on these players, because we

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Speaker 6: we have enough talent on our team. We just need

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Speaker 6: to so breaking up our defense and so let's.

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Speaker 5: Go with.

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Speaker 2: All right, Judy, thank you so much for that call.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. And that's one way to look at it.

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Speaker 2: One way to look at this roster and next season

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Speaker 2: is actually, I think we have what we need. We

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Speaker 2: don't need to do too much, we don't need to

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Speaker 2: spend too much, we don't need to tweak it too much. Instead,

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Speaker 2: let's just continue with what we have and hope that

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Speaker 2: some of these second year and thirty year players make

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Speaker 2: an even bigger impact on it.

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Speaker 4: And to Judy's point there at the end, I think

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Speaker 4: adding more resources or allocating more resources to the defensive side,

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Speaker 4: because nothing against James Cook, but I think a big

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Speaker 4: like I said, a big reason why he had such

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Speaker 4: a breakout year and was more efficient, hit more longer

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Speaker 4: runs than he ever had. The offensive line was really

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Speaker 4: really good, and those guys are all coming back, and

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Speaker 4: there's really no one that's thirty five, thirty six years old.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Dean Dawkins is kind of the other statesman

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Speaker 4: of the group and he's thirty. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: you will see next season with James and the Bills

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Speaker 4: run game a little bit more balanced, where James Cook's

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Speaker 4: gone over two hundred. I think two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 4: two hundred and forty plus carries the last two years,

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Speaker 4: counting the playoffs, even closer to three hundred. You want,

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Speaker 4: regardless of a guy's contract demands or whatever, you want

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Speaker 4: to be able to split up that workload to keep

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Speaker 4: the run game as a whole as efficient as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you think about where and where and

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Speaker 2: tear in a body. Yeah, for sure, continuing to rightfully

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Speaker 2: so be an RB one on this offense, But you

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Speaker 2: don't want to run him into the point where down

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Speaker 2: the line you're looking at if they are going to

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Speaker 2: sign him to a contract extension, how much can you

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Speaker 2: get out of him because he did so much in

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Speaker 2: his first few seasons as an NFL player. Break time

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Speaker 2: for us. When we return, we will take more of

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Speaker 2: the phone calls and also look into Buffalo's roster some

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Speaker 2: second and thirty your players that we think can make

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Speaker 2: a big jump in twenty twenty five. Don't go anywhere where.

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live present by Kalidahal on Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Matty Glab alongside of

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Speaker 2: CBS Sports NFL Draft analyst Chris Trepasso, who was sitting

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Speaker 2: in today for Steve Tasker. We appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 2: We've got some listeners who have called in. So let's

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Speaker 2: go over to Aaron from Oregon. Aeron, how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing great. Nice to talk to you, Maddie

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Speaker 3: and Chris. I call it occasionally when I get a

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Speaker 3: day off work or something, and you're gonna laugh. In

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Speaker 3: Oregon here we have two full inches of snow and

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Speaker 3: was in businesses are closed down.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good for you. Take advantage of those two inches.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I wanted to talk about the draft a

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Speaker 3: little bit, and I did my first mock draft like

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Speaker 3: five minutes before the program started, and Kenneth Grant was

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Speaker 3: the guy I chose, and you know, you guys started off.

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Speaker 3: He was one of the first you guys mentioned, so

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Speaker 3: so a little validation. But I think if we get

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Speaker 3: if we get somebody like him, some good young defensive

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Speaker 3: linemen and maybe some depth in the secondary, that's really

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Speaker 3: all we need because I think cole Bishop, Ken, Coleman Carter,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're going to develop and get better this year.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe we can sign one edge rusher one

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Speaker 3: speed receiver or something. But I think I think with

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Speaker 3: a couple of little changes, I think we're right.

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Speaker 8: Back in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Thanks for the call, Aaron,

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Speaker 2: It's nice to know that. I mean, this team. You

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Speaker 2: look back to the year that Josh Allen was drafted

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, and it wasn't far after that that

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Speaker 2: the Bills became a team where you're just a few

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Speaker 2: players away. This was a team that had to make

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Speaker 2: some tough decisions once Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean came

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Speaker 2: through the doors of one Bill's drive to figure out,

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Speaker 2: how are we going to build this roster. We need

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Speaker 2: to go get a quarterback, and we need to make

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Speaker 2: some moves in the draft to have some foundational pieces here.

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Speaker 2: What does that look like? And then you draft your quarterback,

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Speaker 2: you build around your quarterback, you start to make it

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs, you win playoff games, and you have

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Speaker 2: this roster that, over the last four seasons has been

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Speaker 2: a roster that's a couple players away from being in

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And to Aaron's point, I want to speak directly

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Speaker 4: to it him mentioning some young players which we're going

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Speaker 4: to get to here in a second. I think based

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Speaker 4: on what you just said, Maddie, and that the Bill's

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Speaker 4: roster has been top tier. It's been super Bowl caliber

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Speaker 4: essentially over the last four or five years. What they

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Speaker 4: and I vividly remember talking about this on this show

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Speaker 4: last year. You can have a big draft class, but

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Speaker 4: it was going to be hard for those rookies to

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Speaker 4: come in and be key contributors. And the Bills didn't

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Speaker 4: necessarily have that, but and I think that is ideally

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Speaker 4: what a team wants, where you're not saying, hey, all

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Speaker 4: seven rookies, you got to play eighty percent of the

659
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Speaker 4: snaps and we are relying on you down stretch and

660
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: in the AFC title Game, things like that. But Coleman

661
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: made some plays, Bishop played a little bit. You had

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Speaker 4: some of those players that did get some reps. We

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Speaker 4: saw it with Dorian Williams last year from year one

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Speaker 4: to year two, and we're gonna talk about him as well.

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Speaker 5: So beyond this draft class.

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Speaker 4: And what they do in free agency, it's almost like

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four draft class got a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a red shirt season but got a little taste

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Speaker 4: of the NFL. And I think that's how you build

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Speaker 4: a quality team. So your year, two guys you know

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Speaker 4: are are coming in ready, and you're not just asking

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Speaker 4: four to six rookies to be the guys right away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Let's go over to

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Speaker 2: Kevin and Hamburg who joins the show hit Kevin call,

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Speaker 2: you're welcome. What are you got for us?

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Speaker 9: I guys, all right, I went and talk to you

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Speaker 9: about your predictions for next year. And I remember Monday

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Speaker 9: when they gave the prediction done on ESPN, the different

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Speaker 9: shows on Monday, and they put in the prediction of

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Speaker 9: who's gonna make it and Basni win and the team

681
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Speaker 9: the Eagle was all the way down like four or

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Speaker 9: five slot, and even the teams who didn't even make it, unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: the Bills were up higher.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 9: I know being's changed over the years, but when I

686
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 9: was growing up, I liked the old way with a champ.

687
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 9: Like in boxing, when do you get knocked out, you're

688
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 9: still the runner. You're getting the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 9: So they would be Eagles, then the dreaded Chiefs. Then

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Speaker 9: that if you want to put the Eagles in the

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Speaker 9: Bills next year, they'd be great. But the Eagles should

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Speaker 9: still be as one of the not in the Rams

693
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Speaker 9: who got knocked out, the Packers who got knocked out.

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Speaker 9: You know, even when the Bills lost the Super Bowl

695
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 9: in the nineties, they still had them Giants, Bills, then Redskins, Bills,

696
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Speaker 9: and Boys Bills, Boys Bills, and then Niners and Packers.

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Speaker 9: Whoever got knocked out. They should still stick The Eagles

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Speaker 9: in there are the top champs. Should always get the

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Speaker 9: benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 4: Personally, Yeah, I like that idea, and I think pre

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Speaker 4: free agency in the early nineties, that was just how

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Speaker 4: it was done, and it made a lot of sense

703
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Speaker 4: because there wasn't a ton of play movement. But I

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Speaker 4: think just to say why that probably happens a team

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Speaker 4: like the Eagles, they could still be very good. I'm

706
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 4: not expecting them to just have this huge regression next year.

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Speaker 4: But Josh Swatt is a free agent, Brandon Graham is

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00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: thirty seven years old, he's a free agent. Zach Bond

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Speaker 4: free agent, Mackai Becton, free agent, Avonte Maddocks, who's been

710
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: a great slot corner for them, had that pass breakup

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Speaker 4: on fourth down.

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Speaker 5: He's a free agent.

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Speaker 4: And then Milton Williams, who was so good on the

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Speaker 4: defensive line as the rotational piece after the two Georgia

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Speaker 4: players also a free agent, so they'll probably retain a

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Speaker 4: few of them. But I think that's probably why, Kevin,

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Speaker 4: that it's not just hey Eagles the number one or

718
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Speaker 4: the best odds to get back and win the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl because they have a lot of roster turnover.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Kevin, appreciate it. Moving on to

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Speaker 2: Butch on the east Side. What's up, Butch? How are you?

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Speaker 2: And today?

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Speaker 7: First of all, Queen of WG and Mandy Glass. First

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Speaker 7: person off to Ben super sub my med Chris Tapasso.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, it's great to talk to you.

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Speaker 7: I love him as Jude, I love w G and

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Speaker 7: all the fans of Ronan you. I've definitely love him.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna get right to it, guys. You know this

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Speaker 7: this year, I want the Buffalo Bill's organization to do

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Speaker 7: something totally different than normal. We're there for years. We've

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Speaker 7: been building our team up from shrat since they got here.

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Speaker 1: We're here, we have.

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Speaker 7: A football team. We have got a great organization. Now

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Speaker 7: we'll come to driving free agency. This is a little

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Speaker 7: some different. You already, Shanna Dermott already win A and

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Speaker 7: hired a deepensive assistant, hired a new linebackers assistant. You've

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Speaker 7: got a new special team, a new special team coach,

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Speaker 7: and a special team's assistant. They got a cornerback defensive

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Speaker 7: back assistant. Now I want to know on the offense

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Speaker 7: side of the ball's go get another offensive assistant, someone

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Speaker 7: with a little more resume. That helped Joe Brady out

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Speaker 7: to take it to enough level. That's something Joe might

743
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Speaker 7: not see that a veteran caller can see that helped

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Speaker 7: him along with Ronald Curry. I think that on that

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Speaker 7: side that coach is staff would be fine. Now moving forward,

746
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Speaker 7: on the administrative side, now Brandon Bean and Sean mcderkin

747
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Speaker 7: sit back and say, okay, listen, before we go grocery

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Speaker 7: shop and then spending this money or making trades, let's

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Speaker 7: find certain plugs that we can just get right away,

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Speaker 7: whether they're one year deals, whether they're veteran trades, or

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00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 7: whether the rookie draft picks, and let's slut build our

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Speaker 7: team up. Now that way, going forward, I look at

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Speaker 7: a person that's to me spend The way you guys

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Speaker 7: might disagree is that I don't think and Oliver fits

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Speaker 7: what we're trying to do anymore. I don't think Ajfaneza

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Speaker 7: do either. Besides those two, I think we're going into

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00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 7: a four to three really man press defense now with

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Speaker 7: his new defensive coordinator. I do think Sean mcdermay is

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 7: giving it up to Bobby be and this guy, and

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Speaker 7: I really believe moving forward, we have some pieces that

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Speaker 7: we can use as trade base, even though it's contract

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Speaker 7: situations that maybe we can put into dealing and gain

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Speaker 7: some draft pick, some draft capital. But anyway, I love

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Speaker 7: you guys, I love the staff there. Thanks so much

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Speaker 7: for taking.

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Speaker 2: My call, and God bless I appreciate it. Butch Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting way to look at things. You spoke

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Speaker 2: about one year deals, and Brandon Bean and his season

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Speaker 2: ending press conference speaking about free agency said, once again,

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Speaker 2: while we're in a better cap situation than we were

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Speaker 2: last year, I don't expect us to be big spenders.

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Speaker 2: So what that translates to is probably several of those

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Speaker 2: one year deals, which hopefully some of the guys who

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Speaker 2: were on the roster last season come back on another

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Speaker 2: one year deal or maybe even longer than that. One

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Speaker 2: of the players that I'm speaking about is wide receiver

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Speaker 2: Mac Collins.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Butch I gotta say, I mean, hats off to

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Speaker 4: you for thinking about all of that. I mean, he's

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00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: got every decision made. I think he could be one

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Speaker 4: like a consultant for the Bills in the offseason. I

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Speaker 4: did like his point about maybe a senior ish offensive

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Speaker 4: mind that Mike Shula was in that role twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two and twenty twenty three, was not with the Bills

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Speaker 4: last year, who was kind of like an overseer. That

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Speaker 4: probably was one that could be a sounding board for

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Speaker 4: Joe Brady entering that, you know, first season as an

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator. I don't think that would be a bad idea.

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Speaker 4: And for as much as we've come to know the

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Speaker 4: guys like Greg Russau and aj Apanessa dey Kwon Jones,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that the Bills are going to just

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Speaker 4: stay with the status quo along their defensive line. That

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I think they're all going to be

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Speaker 4: gone or they're going to be traded or cut. But

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Speaker 4: I think Brandon Bean he always says it that they're

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Speaker 4: always looking to improve the roster. There's not really anyone

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Speaker 4: probably outside of Josh Allen, that is off the books

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Speaker 4: where they or that's like off the table, and like

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Speaker 4: we mentioned, it's a great defensive line draft class. There's

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Speaker 4: potentially some trade options out there with some big time

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Speaker 4: edge rushers, maybe defensive tackles as well. So I think, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's important to reset every year and think, all right,

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Speaker 4: we like the the emotional ties to these players, but

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00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 4: we have to be just a little bit better to

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Speaker 4: get to a Super Bowl and ultimately win that trophy.

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Speaker 2: You speak about the offensive coaching staff and Butcher's point

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Speaker 2: about maybe getting a senior assistant in that room, I

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00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: think somebody who was an unsung hero this year and

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Speaker 2: has been in the past couple of years is offensive

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Speaker 2: line coach Aaron Kromer.

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Speaker 5: I think, oh, yeah, a good call.

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Speaker 2: He's been a coordinator to years, big part of the

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Speaker 2: offense as a whole and helping make those decisions, helping

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Speaker 2: craft what type of offense Buffalo is going to run.

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Speaker 2: And we saw Buffalo become a team who was more

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Speaker 2: committed to running the football this season, and I think

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Speaker 2: Aaron Kromer has been a big part of that. You

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00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: hear the offensive lineman talk about what Chromer means to

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Speaker 2: them as a coach, and they have rave reviews about Chromer,

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Speaker 2: just how he has changed their game, how Chromer sees

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Speaker 2: things from a different light, how he wants guys to

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Speaker 2: play to their strengths but also play who they are

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Speaker 2: as people and kind of put a spotlight on what

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Speaker 2: makes them different and teach them techniques to pair all

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Speaker 2: of that together into becoming a really talented offensive line unit.

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Speaker 2: And you saw it this year, allowing just fourteen sacks.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break, but when we return, we'll

828
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Speaker 2: answer more phone calls and dig into Buffalo's roster some

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Speaker 2: rookies that we think could make a big jump in

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Speaker 2: year two. Stick with us here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: We're presented by Clydehealth on Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back

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Speaker 2: here on one Bill's Live. Gonna go right back to

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Speaker 2: the phone lines because we have some listeners hanging on.

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Speaker 2: Let's go over to Jeff. How are you doing, Jeff?

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 8: Thanks?

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Speaker 10: I just wanted to talk a little bit about like

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Speaker 10: when the Bills drafted last year and they gave up Worthy.

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00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 10: I wonder if that would have made any difference because

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00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 10: let's tell any touchdowns he had and the super and

842
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 10: the game against us and it kind of upset me

843
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Speaker 10: when they did that, So I don't know why they

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Speaker 10: did it. Is there anything you guys could say about that?

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Speaker 10: And also our defensive backs, we need to get more

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Speaker 10: speed because we're too slow. I mean I was told

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Speaker 10: the coach from Bill Belichick always said we were slow

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Speaker 10: on that. I'm not saying he knows, but that's one

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Speaker 10: of the other things too. And that's all I got

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Speaker 10: to say right now.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Jeff, all right, do you want

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00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: to tackle Xavier Worthy and the Bills passing? I'll put

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00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: that in a finger quotes. Yes, baby, Brandon Bean never

854
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: wanted him, That's why they didn't draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what we would think, right, I mean

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00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: that he traded back multiple times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the speed is always going to be flashy.

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Speaker 4: But I think you can look at Xavier Worthy and

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00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 4: Ken Coleman's rookie seasons very similarly. They were very limited players.

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Speaker 4: They made a few splash plays. Now in the case

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Speaker 4: of the callers, you know, saying, hey, he's touchdowns against

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00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: the Bills, that's I don't I think that's trivial. Kean

863
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 4: Coleman is going to be that rebounder down the numbers

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00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: down the seam on the outside, Savior Worthy is gonna

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00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 4: get bumped a lot at the line of scrimmage and

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00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: win some plays down the field. So these are receivers

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00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: that we will see who becomes the better receiver in

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00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: the next year. So as they try to round out

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00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: their games. The one thing I will say on the

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Speaker 4: cornerbacks with their new hire of Ryan Nielsen, a lot

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00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: more man coverage background.

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Speaker 5: So maybe we will see.

873
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Speaker 4: More athleticism and more man coverage ability in terms of

874
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: who they sign in free agency and who they draft

875
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: at cornerback.

876
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that on my way to work today,

877
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: just you know, thinking about football things. I'm thinking about

878
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: man coverage in the NFL as I'm driving into work,

879
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: and we saw Buffalo's defense play in more man coverage

880
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: at the end of the season. We saw Buffalo play

881
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: in some of that against the Chiefs, and after Christian

882
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: Benford went out, it was harder for Buffalo to find

883
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: success in man coverage. What is the need to play

884
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: man coverage in today's NFL?

885
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: The ball comes out so quick when you're facing a

886
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes or a Joe Burrow. They not only have

887
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: quick releases and have big arms, but they know where

888
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: to go with the football. So when you're playing zone

889
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 4: and everyone's watching the quarterback and there's literal like you're

890
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 4: allowing space between you and the receiver if you're a

891
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 4: d back, those quarterbacks can get the ball out in

892
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: under two and a half seconds, so the pass rush

893
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 4: is mitigated like we saw in that AFC title game,

894
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 4: and they.

895
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 5: Can pick you apart.

896
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: So I think the Bills and Sean mcdermant's been good

897
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 4: about just evolving as a coach to saying we need

898
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: to be able to man up where when a Joe

899
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: Burrow or Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes are catching that

900
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 4: shotgun snap, they look and there's not a Travis Kelce

901
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: that's standing between two players where he can fire a

902
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 4: fastball in there and get seven yards. So it's second

903
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: and three. That's not to say the Bills are never

904
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: going to play zone. Most of the NFL is still zone,

905
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: but I like that they're trying to diversify what they

906
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: do cover. And of course, if you're going to play

907
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: more man, you need better athletes at dB.

908
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: And you're going to play against those types of quarterbacks

909
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, so you might as well be ready

910
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: to play.

911
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 5: Man throughout the season, so then you're ready for.

912
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: That sprinkled in throughout the year so that by the

913
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: time these games are are one and done, you truly

914
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: can play it at a high level. All right, let's

915
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: take one more call before we go to break. Let's

916
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: go over to David in Buffalo. David, how are you doing.

917
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 8: I'm doing well, Thanks for taking my call. I have

918
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 8: a question for you guys, and you guys have such

919
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 8: great knowledge of players that are coming in. I'm really

920
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 8: interested in what you have to say. The draft willly

921
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 8: intrigues me, mostly because you have players like the Bill

922
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 8: sick Elam in the first round, but actually Ben for

923
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 8: taking the sixth round turned out to be the real

924
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 8: shutdown corner. A few years back, there was a DT

925
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 8: I think that we took in the first five picks,

926
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 8: but it was Kyle Williams, who you took in the

927
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 8: fifth round, who turned out to be the definition of

928
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 8: what was to be a Bill. So I'm wondering what

929
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 8: you guys see of potential players in this draft class

930
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 8: that are guys that we might take in the fourth

931
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 8: round or later that might turn into really great starts

932
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 8: for the bill if you work with him over and

933
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 8: work on particular definits in their game.

934
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 5: Oh ranks for the call, David, Yeah, David, I will.

935
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 4: I'm going to table this in my mind for when

936
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: I'm like at prospect number three hundred, I met like

937
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five, one hundred and fifty, where

938
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: I should be able to rattle off, Hey, there's a

939
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: fourth rounder I love. It's a little bit too early

940
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: in the process to know, just in terms of I

941
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: haven't had enough time to watch and evaluate, and we

942
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: got to see the combine to kind of help slot

943
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: where Okay, this guy's a great player, but he didn't

944
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: test really well. He looks like a good football player,

945
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 4: but he's probably going to be a fourth or fifth

946
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 4: round pick. So that's probably a question that's better that

947
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: I can better answer, and a lot of other analysts

948
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 4: can answer closer to the NFL Draft and especially after

949
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: the combine. But it will say, like I mentioned at

950
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: the outset of this defensive tackle and edge rusher, there

951
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 4: will be the marquee guys in the first round, second,

952
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: you know, early second, early third, but we'll look back

953
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: in two or three years a bunch of quality players

954
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: at those front seven positions on defense in this draft

955
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 4: that were picked four to fifth, sixth round. And I

956
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: think that has to be music to the ears not

957
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: only of our caller David, but Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott.

958
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: I love it when you say something like that, where

959
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: there's depth like that in this year's draft class. I

960
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: spoke about it during yesterday's show. But my brain goes

961
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: to what the Rams did in last year's draft, picking

962
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Jared Verse and Branden Fisk in the first and the

963
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: second round of last year's NFL draft, and you saw

964
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: both of them produce at a high level four and

965
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: a half sacks out of Jared Verse, eight and a

966
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: half out of Brandon Fisk. And then in twenty twenty three,

967
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: the Rams also drafted Byron Young and he's had fifteen

968
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: and a half sacks over his two years in the NFL,

969
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: drafted in the third round. So maybe Buffalo can implement

970
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: that type of strategy in this year's draft where if

971
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: it is truly like you say, deep at that position group,

972
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: both edge rusher and defensive tackle, maybe you go all

973
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: in this year and draft a couple guys like we

974
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: have seen them draft defensive linemen multiple back to back

975
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: in previous drafts. Maybe they do something like that again.

976
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, obviously Boogie Basham was not a

977
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 4: pick that the Bills got to see that return on.

978
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: That was a miss. That doesn't mean that they should

979
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: just stop trying. I mean, teams like the Eagles have misses,

980
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: the Rams have misses as well. And even last year,

981
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: the Rams went in the sixth round and picked Tyler Davis,

982
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 4: a really fun run stuffing nose tackle out of Clemson.

983
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: So they were like, hey, we just had Aaron Donald retire.

984
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: We need to reload up front. And the I think

985
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 4: a big reason why the Rams, the Eagles, the Ravens

986
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 4: are all quality teams and the Bills are why the

987
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 4: Bills have been good. Beyond Josh Allen and he certainly

988
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: moves to Needle more than anyone, the defensive and offensive

989
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 4: lines have been really good. So it wouldn't be surprising

990
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: if the Bills pick multiple players at those positions.

991
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. Because when we return, we're gonna talk

992
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: about Buffalo's rookies, Keon Coleman, Javon Solomon, cole Bishop, and more.

993
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: Projections that we have for these rookies who are turning

994
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: into sophomore players in the twenty twenty five season. Stick

995
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: with us here when Bill's Live is presented by Clydeahealth

996
00:50:28,560 --> 00:51:08,720
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997
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 8: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calledlida Health.

998
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome back into One Bill's Live. Hope

999
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: you all are having a lovely Friday afternoon. We've got

1000
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: our number two of this show coming to you. Maddi

1001
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: Glab alongside of CBS Sports NFL Draft analyst Chris Trepasso,

1002
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: and Chris has spent every off season looking into the

1003
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: upcoming NFL draft, so that means he studied a lot

1004
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: of Buffalo's current rookies who are set to become second

1005
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: year players here soon enough as the new league year

1006
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: begins on March twelfth. Officially, we wanted to look back

1007
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: on some of those rookie seasons that this group had

1008
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: kind of project where they might head to in twenty

1009
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 2: twenty five. And we had a caller point out Xavier

1010
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: Worthy and what he did in this year in his

1011
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: first year in the NFL. And if you look at

1012
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: the two numbers, they're not far off from each other.

1013
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: I know Xavier Worthy had more touchdowns at six, but

1014
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: Keon had four. Keon also missed four games during the

1015
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: season and had to come back from that injury that

1016
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: he had. Didn't look the same once he came back

1017
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: from that injury. But Keon Coleman had twenty nine catches

1018
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty six yards averaged nineteen point two

1019
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: yards per catch. That was up in the top five,

1020
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: top ten in the league amongst rookies. I want to

1021
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: say top two for rookie wide receivers. I'll have to

1022
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: double check that stat, but he was high up in

1023
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: that category. And Xavier Worthy had fifty nine catches for

1024
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: six hundred and thirty eight yards averaged ten point eight

1025
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: yards per reception. Two different players there with what they're

1026
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: tasked to do on each offense. But Chris looking at

1027
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman's rookie season, what we saw out of him,

1028
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: what were the highlights and how do you project that

1029
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 2: into next year?

1030
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 4: Well, first off, I'm just smiling over here because we

1031
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 4: all heard about the speed of Xavier Worthy setting the

1032
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: combine record, but Kean Coleman actually averaged more yards per catch.

1033
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: So it's not just speed does not just equate to

1034
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 4: averaging nineteen yards of catch. I mean, Coleman was one

1035
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: of the slower of the top receivers picked, and he

1036
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: almost doubled Xavier Worthy in terms of how long his

1037
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: average catch would go for a lot of it comes

1038
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: down to how good you are at the catch point.

1039
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: That was a weakness for Xavier Worthy on film and

1040
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 4: a strength for Keon Coleman. I thought it was a

1041
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 4: little bit inflated how good he was as a rebounder.

1042
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: But if you wanted to do strengths and weaknesses for

1043
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 4: Coleman last year coming out of Florida State, you certainly

1044
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: would have said, okay, six, three, two fifteen, he can

1045
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 4: go up and get it. Pre injury. You mentioned the

1046
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: injury that he missed four games, and he you could say, okay, well,

1047
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: he necessarily didn't hit that rookie wall because he had

1048
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: right around when that rookie wall hits November early December,

1049
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 4: that's when he out. But pre injury and Brandon Bean

1050
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 4: spoke to this at the season ending press conference, they're

1051
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: like two different players. Before the injury for Keon Coleman,

1052
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 4: nine games played, he had twenty two catches for four

1053
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: hundred and seventeen yards. And if you're watching on MSG

1054
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 4: of forty two percent contested catch win rate, so that

1055
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 4: means when it was a contested catch, he came down

1056
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: with it. And yeah, what's funny about that is just

1057
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 4: a quick aside. We always hear fifty to fifty balls,

1058
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 4: but in reality, if you're close to fifty to fifty,

1059
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 4: you're really really good. So he was at forty two

1060
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 4: percent post injury, we know he got clocked by Jordan Poyer,

1061
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 4: was of some head stuff and a risk rist injury,

1062
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: risk injury. Brandon Bean said it was the year of

1063
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 4: the risk that Dwayne Smooth had a risk, Ken Coleman

1064
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: had a risk. Uh after that seven games for Keon Coleman,

1065
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: ten catches for only one hundred and sixty one.

1066
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 5: Yards and without a touchdown.

1067
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 4: So to me, Keon Coleman after that game and his

1068
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 4: contestant catch win rate which I should mention only twenty

1069
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 4: eight point two percent, So he was like fifteen percent

1070
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 4: worse in the one area that he was supposed to

1071
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 4: be the strongest in going up rebounding the football, allowing

1072
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 4: Josh Allen to just maybe you're not open, but he's

1073
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 4: just gonna fire you with the football with that gunslinger

1074
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: mentality and it was a risk injury. That to me

1075
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 4: is not surprising that Coleman wasn't as effective in the

1076
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: one area that was kind of his specialty. So if

1077
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 4: we get if the Bills get a key on Coleman

1078
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 4: that was similar, that takes maybe even an incremental step

1079
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 4: from where he was pre injury.

1080
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 5: I think in this everybody.

1081
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 4: Eats offense, that's completely fine. Is he ever gonna be

1082
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: a big separator? I don't think so. I don't think

1083
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 4: the Bills believe that. But down the scene as a

1084
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 4: big slot receiver or even on the boundary being that

1085
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 4: power forward for Josh Allen, I think teams like to

1086
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: have the back shoulder game. Xavier Worthy doesn't really give

1087
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: you that. Pre injury, Keon Coleman did forty two percent

1088
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 4: contested win rate is very good. That's what they're going

1089
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 4: to be hoping for with a presumably healthy one risk

1090
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: for Kean Coleman in his second season.

1091
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: Coleman's nineteen point two yards per catch that he averaged

1092
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: during his rookie season ranked third in the NFL. So

1093
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: not only just looking at rookies, looking at wide receivers

1094
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: as a whole, So That's a good number to see

1095
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: out of a rookie. And you look back at what

1096
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: Buffalo's offense was doing in the second part of the

1097
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: season after Coleman had come back from that injury, you

1098
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: missed that contested catch. Receiver Amari Cooper was that at times.

1099
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: But we also didn't see a lot of consistency out

1100
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: of Cooper because Cooper joined the team so late. There's

1101
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: only so much that you can learn and do and

1102
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: implement while your rushing offense is completely taking off. So

1103
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to seeing Coleman take.

1104
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 4: A step forward now and just hopefully not throw too

1105
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 4: many numbers at you. The first nine games, what Kean

1106
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: Coleman did where he was pleasantly surprising, and I think

1107
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: right before the injury the Seahawks game was a great

1108
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 4: game for him, which was the game before I believe

1109
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: he got injured, or two games before it was Indy

1110
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 4: then Miami. That pace that he was on his per

1111
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: game pace forty one catches for almost eight hundred yards

1112
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 4: and almost six touchdowns. If you put forty one catches

1113
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: for six for eight hundred yards and six touchdowns in

1114
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: the Bills offense next year, in the everybody eats style offense,

1115
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 4: which I have no reason to believe that that's not

1116
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: going to be the mantra.

1117
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 5: Again, that's totally fine.

1118
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: After the injury, the seventeen game pace only twenty four

1119
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 4: catches for four hundred yards.

1120
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 5: So I don't want to solely say that it was

1121
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 5: only the risk injury.

1122
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 4: But when you're a contested catch wide receiver, you're making

1123
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: those difficult grabs in traffic, you gotta have strong hands.

1124
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 4: You can't have a risk injury that's nagging where it's like, man,

1125
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 4: you've missed the bye week, You've missed a bunch of

1126
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: key games.

1127
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 5: We need you back.

1128
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: Having him at one hundred percent where he can really

1129
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: lean into his specialty and feel confident in doing so,

1130
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: will be huge.

1131
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to feel confident coming off of a wrist

1132
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: injury when you're going up against dogs at the cornerback position.

1133
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 5: Safety's coming from the middle, can't.

1134
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: I can understand that? All right, let's move on. One

1135
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: of one of the other rookies that Buffalo drafted last

1136
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: year was an edge rusher in the fifth round. His

1137
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: name is Javon Solomon. Solomon played in every single game,

1138
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: finished with two sacks, six quarterback hits, had three tackles

1139
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: for loss, forced to fumble, and also recovered one. How

1140
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: do you reflect on his rookie season.

1141
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: I think he had a really good rookie season for

1142
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: a fifth round pick. And I spoke to this in

1143
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: the earlier segment that the Bills given their roster makeup,

1144
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: even though there was a lot of criticism or skepticism

1145
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: about who was going to do what on each side

1146
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 4: of the ball, they didn't have a lot of open

1147
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 4: roster spots where they're like, hey, fifth round rookie, you're

1148
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: going to come in and play eighty percent of the snaps.

1149
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 5: I like what the Bills did.

1150
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 4: They almost drafted Solomon a year ahead that he was

1151
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 4: the smaller, speedier, bendier edge rusher in the Von Miller

1152
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: vein a year before. They probably expect von Miller to

1153
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 4: not be on the roster, so he can learn from

1154
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: Von play a little bit. We saw him in the

1155
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: regular season finale against the Patriots early in the year.

1156
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 5: In some of those blowouts.

1157
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: Against the Jacksonville Jaguars is where he had his stripsack

1158
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 4: of Mac Jones.

1159
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 5: He flashed.

1160
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 4: Now, it wasn't a huge sample enough where he was

1161
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 4: going to be playing in that much in the playoffs.

1162
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 4: But fourteen pressures for Javon Solomon on eighty nine pass

1163
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: rushing snaps, which is a pretty good rate, almost sixteen

1164
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 4: percent pressure rate, And to kind of frame that, now

1165
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 4: we're talking TJ. Watt, Miles Garrett rushing five, six, seven

1166
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 4: hundred times. The elite level pass rushers pressure rates sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

1167
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 4: nineteen percent. So eighty nine pass rush naps is not

1168
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: a lot to tiny sample, but you would like to

1169
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: see that pressure rate more so than if he had

1170
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 4: one pressure on eighty nine pass rush snaps. So he

1171
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 4: flashed around the corner. He has very, almost weirdly long arms.

1172
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 5: For how tall he is.

1173
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 4: He has like over thirty three inch arms, like offensive

1174
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 4: tackle length. He didn't look completely overwhelmed against the run.

1175
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 4: But I think the Bills drafted him as kind of

1176
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 4: this red shirt. Let's develop him pass rushing specialist on

1177
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 4: the corner in a room that had Von Miller and

1178
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 4: then a bunch of towering players like a Japanessa and

1179
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 4: Greg Russeau. I don't want to say that I think

1180
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 4: Javon Solomon is going to be an All Pro next season,

1181
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 4: but I really think he has this skill set and

1182
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 4: got the experience needed in year one to be a

1183
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 4: key pass rusher for this defense.

1184
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, I mentioned drafting Javon Solomon a

1185
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: year before. You want to put some some more responsibility

1186
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: on a player like that. They don't just do that

1187
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: with Javon Solomon, They've done it with other players. What

1188
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: is the advantage to doing something like that.

1189
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 4: It's the advantage where you know, deer in headlight moments

1190
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: when their rookies don't necessarily have to happen, where those

1191
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 4: guys can like literally learn in practice. Can you know,

1192
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: for the case of the Bills, what's good is that

1193
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 4: they play in a lot of blowout games where these

1194
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 4: guys can play almost the whole fourth quarter that they've

1195
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: blown out a lot of teams they and they typically

1196
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: have done that. They've been, you know, one of the

1197
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: top point differential teams in the NFL the last five

1198
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 4: years that by year two, And I always say this

1199
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 4: with guys up front.

1200
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 5: Whether it's offensive lineman or defensive lineman.

1201
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: It takes at least one year to become NFL strong.

1202
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 4: That you're not going to come in I don't care

1203
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 4: when we watch the combine where guys look like they

1204
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 4: have NFL bodies. The power that you need to win

1205
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 4: around the corner or win inside, or block on the edge,

1206
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 4: or block at center or guard is different from whether

1207
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: you're Javon Solomon coming from Troy or you're coming from

1208
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 4: the SEC. So it also allows those year two players

1209
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 4: to really come in with an NFL body when they're

1210
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 4: now asked to go from playing fifteen percent of the

1211
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 4: snaps up to forty five or fifty. And I think

1212
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: we'll see that with Javon Solomon, who is a little

1213
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 4: bit under size in terms of height and weight, but

1214
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 4: again has the length and the pass rushing repertoire to

1215
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: be a quality player on the edge next season.

1216
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: Sticking with Buffalo's defense, the Bills drafted safety Cole Bishop

1217
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: in the second round of the twenty twenty four draft.

1218
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: He was teammates with Dalton Kincaid at Utah, and Bishop

1219
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: started in four games played in sixteen. We saw those

1220
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: four starts, a bulk of those four stars happen. At

1221
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: the end of the season, he finished with thirty four tackles,

1222
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: a TfL two passes defense, and I think started to

1223
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: come into his own at the end of the season.

1224
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: What did Cole Bishop do best in his rookie year?

1225
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 5: He did so.

1226
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: I was just talking about specialties for Keyon Coleman, for

1227
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: Javon Solomon, it was that he had a bunch of

1228
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,959
Speaker 4: pass rushing moves and was really productive in a variety of.

1229
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 5: Ways at Troy.

1230
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 4: For Cole Bishop, what I think drew the Bills to

1231
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 4: him was his legitimate versatility. Now, and you're gonna hear

1232
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 4: that a lot during the pre draft process. Oh, he's

1233
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 4: versaal he's versatile. I mean when I say legitimately versatile,

1234
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 4: I mean you can thrive in multiple spots.

1235
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 5: It's not just you have a body. Oh you could

1236
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 5: play in the slot.

1237
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 4: You can play he can play in the slot, he

1238
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 4: can play linebacker, he can play free safety, he can

1239
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 4: play strong safety.

1240
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 5: He can be that robber at the intermediate level.

1241
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 4: He did all of those things at Utah, And like

1242
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 4: you're mentioning, as he got more time playing in this

1243
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 4: Bill's defense, he started to make some plays.

1244
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 5: In multiple roles.

1245
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: And we know how complex the Bills try to disguise coverages,

1246
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 4: whether it's zone or man, and that their safeties are

1247
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 4: really interchangeable. That goes back to the poyer in high days.

1248
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 4: I think we did see that the pass breakup in

1249
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 4: the season finale, what almost was an interception in the

1250
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 4: AFC title game should have been a pass break up

1251
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 4: there as well. That was not the right call on review.

1252
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 4: He did miss some tackles, which that's what you're gonna get.

1253
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 4: You're gonna get those moments where you're like, oh, he

1254
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: needs to clean up little parts of his game as

1255
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 4: a rookie. It's not surprising to see a high missed

1256
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 4: tackle rate for a safety, but to segue off Coleman

1257
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 4: and more so Solomon, I think they drafted Cole Bishop

1258
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 4: with twenty twenty five in mind because DeMar Hamlin and

1259
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 4: Taylor Rapp were the entrenched starters at safety and they

1260
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 4: were playing quality football in tandem before Damar Hamlin got hurt.

1261
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 4: So those are two situations where I think those players

1262
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 4: got quality playing time, weren't asked to do too much,

1263
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 4: and will be more ready to be like full time

1264
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 4: contributors in twenty twenty five.

1265
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: DeMar Hamlin is set to become a free agent. It'll

1266
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what the Bills decide to do

1267
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,439
Speaker 2: with Hamlin. If they decide to bring him back into

1268
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: the building or let him test the market. For this conversation,

1269
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: let's say Hamlin is no longer with the team in

1270
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and the Bills have Rap and Cole

1271
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: Bishop at safety. How do those two fit together? Because

1272
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: when I look at Taylor Rap and when I look

1273
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: at col Bishop, they are two safeties who their strengths

1274
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: are being hunters on defense at the line of scrimmage,

1275
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: hunting the ball down rather than playing center field. Now

1276
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: you said Bishop can play in that role. How do

1277
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: you see them fitting.

1278
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: Well, I think toward the end, I'll go back to

1279
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 4: Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer. Toward the end of their

1280
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 4: times in Buffalo, Poyer was kind of like a quasi linebacker.

1281
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 4: Micah Hyde was just playing center field. But if you

1282
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 4: remember twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, when

1283
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 4: they were really in their prime and the Bills were

1284
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 4: like the best pass defense in football, they were not

1285
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: allowing big plays. They were truly interchangeable. Like every snap

1286
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: it was Jordan Poyer made plays at the deep middle,

1287
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 4: Michah Hyde would play in the box. I think that

1288
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 4: will be the calling card of this defense. Bishop is

1289
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 4: bigger than Taylor Rap and a little bit faster, more explosive.

1290
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 4: But I think you will get to the point of

1291
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 4: Taylor Rap and Cole Bishop are this bill starting safeties,

1292
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: and to me, the odds on favorite to be the

1293
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 4: tandem is them. You will have no ability to be

1294
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 4: able to decipher who's the free safety.

1295
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 5: Oh, he would just playing deep middle. Now he's in

1296
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 5: the box.

1297
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 4: So I think with Sean McDermott's background from Carolina to Buffalo,

1298
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 4: that's what he really prioritizes more than having a stagnant

1299
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 4: free safety and a stagnant strong safety. So to answer

1300
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: your question, I think how they'll play in tandem or

1301
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 4: kind of compliment each other is just with their versatility a.

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: Little trickery at that position, which which is important, which

1303
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer and Mike Hyde did for so long, is

1304
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,959
Speaker 2: disguising things for an opposing offense not be sure what's

1305
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: going to happen when they snapped the football jumping back

1306
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: to the offense. Buffalo drafted running back Ray Davis in

1307
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 2: the fourth round of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,

1308
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: and it was fun to see what type of player

1309
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: Davis turned into throughout the season. He is a bruiser

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: at running back, a physical running back who who showed

1311
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: Buffalo from the beginning how he can add to the offense.

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01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: Davis had one hundred and thirteen carries from four hundred

1313
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 2: and forty two yards average third three point nine yards

1314
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Speaker 2: per rush, had three rushing touchdowns and also three receiving

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: touchdowns as well. How do you reflect on Davis's rookie year.

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Speaker 5: For a fourth round rookie, he had a great season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, especially playing behind a breakout running back with

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 4: James Cook, who set the franchise record in rushing touchdowns

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 4: in a season. It's about as much as you could

1320
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Speaker 4: ask for a fourth round pick, especially when we all

1321
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 4: heard all season about Ty Johnson as the best third

1322
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 4: downback according to Josh Allen, who had a very good

1323
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 4: season in his own right, nothing like in particular from

1324
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 4: the analytics or production side really stood out from Ray Davis.

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 4: I do like though, in the Monday night football game

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01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 4: against the Jets, when James Cook was down for that

1327
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 4: one game, Ray Davis had over one hundred yards from scrimmage.

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01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 4: He shouldered the load ninety seven yards on the ground

1329
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 4: on the road against a really good Jets defense that

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 4: was still when Robert Sala was there and a lot

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01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 4: of their pieces were still healthy. He showed that if

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 4: I need to, and I think that's important for your

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 4: second or third string running back to have that spot

1334
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 4: starting ability. Five poot eight, two eleven. He's a different

1335
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 4: body type than James Cook. He gives you more I think,

1336
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 4: side to side wiggle and just power in those short

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01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 4: yard situations. So I think the Bills are super happy

1338
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 4: with what they got from Ray Davis and what he

1339
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 4: can bring to this team in twenty twenty five.

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01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Davis, I look back on his season, even saying

1341
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: that he had six total touchdowns, it's a lot surprising

1342
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 2: to me out of a rookie. He's got a really

1343
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 2: strong lower half and you see that in his ability

1344
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 2: to push the pile. All right. One more for us

1345
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: in terms of rookies. It's a cornerback, Daikwon Hardy, who

1346
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: we didn't see too much out of him. We saw

1347
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: some out of him during the preseason, preseason, and it

1348
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: looked alright the preseason. How do you look back on

1349
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: his rookie season after not having too much tape to

1350
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: go off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is right in my wheelhouse because again,

1352
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 4: we didn't see him in the regular season. He returned

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 4: some kicks in preseason and looked good, had pass breakups

1354
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: in August. Why it's in my wheelhouse is because I

1355
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 4: loved him as a draft prospect. To run four three

1356
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 4: eight with a forty two and a half inch vertical

1357
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 4: out of Penn State. Talk about traits like he has them, Galora,

1358
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 4: and if we're expecting the Bills to have to play

1359
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 4: more man coverage, he has that athleticism to do that.

1360
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: Taron Johnson is Taron Johnson. He is going to be

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01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 4: on the field as often as possible, and rightfully so.

1362
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 4: But I think it's good for the Bills to have

1363
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 4: someone that get that got a red shirt season, a

1364
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 4: true red shirt season, didn't play, but has that ability

1365
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 4: kind of coming waiting in the wings in Daykon Hardy.

1366
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 4: He's someone I really like During the pre draft process,

1367
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: I thought the Bills got a steal in the sixth

1368
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 4: round that offers something that no one else in that

1369
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 4: slot role does, where Taron Johnson is a great player,

1370
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 4: but he's not running four three eight with a forty

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 4: two and a half inch vertical, So keep that name

1372
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Speaker 4: in the back of your mind, Daycon Hardy, whether it's

1373
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 4: just as a returner or some that when the Bills

1374
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 4: do need to match up with a hyper a Z Flowers,

1375
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 4: a hyper quick type slot receiver, he has that physical

1376
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 4: talent to be able to do that.

1377
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 2: Hardy spent the entire season on Buffalo's practice squad in

1378
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: the offseason competing for that returner spot, but ultimately was

1379
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: won by Brandon Codrington. Let's touch on one more and

1380
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Speaker 2: that is Buffalo's rookie defensive tackle Dwayne Carter. He was

1381
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: drafted by the Bills in the third round. Another rookie

1382
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: who we saw miss quite some times.

1383
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 5: Is he risk two?

1384
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was placed on the injured reserve and he

1385
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: missed a long time five games in the middle of

1386
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: his rookie season. Finishes his rookie year playing in eleven games,

1387
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: making three starts, three quarterback hits, fourteen total tackles, one

1388
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: pass defense. Is what we saw out of Carter. How

1389
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: do you assess his rookie season?

1390
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Speaker 5: I think it was fine for a fourth round pick.

1391
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 5: That or no third round pick.

1392
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 4: Sorry, like I was thinking that they traded up to

1393
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 4: get him. It wasn't great post injury and maybe that's

1394
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 4: the theme for some of these rookies, and this risk

1395
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 4: injury that was like this nagging thing on the Bills roster.

1396
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 5: I mentioned Dayne Smooth as well head of risk injury

1397
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 5: early on.

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Speaker 4: You saw those flashes that we saw Duke over a long,

1399
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 4: illustrious career for the Blue Devils. There's not one area

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 4: that Dwayne Carter excels at. He's not a crazy athlete,

1401
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 4: he's not very big, he's not a crazy run stopper.

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 4: But he's like good in all of those areas. So

1403
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 4: I wonder what he can do to add a specialty

1404
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 4: to his game. Does he get stronger, Is he working

1405
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 4: on his conditioning so he can play a higher percentage

1406
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 4: of the snaps?

1407
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Speaker 5: And he again.

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 4: Got that red shirt ish type season where the Bills

1409
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 4: rotated a lot upfront, suffered the unfortunate injury, played a

1410
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 4: little bit down the stretch. I think he will be

1411
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 4: a part of what the Bills want to do. I

1412
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 4: don't think the Bills are going to necessarily say, hey,

1413
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 4: he's our week once next to add Oliver. They want

1414
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 4: to upgrade there, but a good rotational piece that showed

1415
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: some positive flashes pre injury for the Bills.

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01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: Early on in the season, when Buffalo's defensive line faced

1417
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: some injuries. I remember Sean McDermott saying quite early that

1418
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 2: defensive tackle Dwayne Carter needs to step up and needs

1419
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: to be a part.

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 4: Of that rotation healthy scratch early and then after getting

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01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 4: called out, You're right, he started to really show his own.

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01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll see what life looks like for Dwayne

1423
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 2: Carter in year two and how he progresses in his

1424
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 2: NFL career. Coming up next year three leap candidates. Who

1425
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: on Buffalo's roster do we think is going to take

1426
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 2: a big jump in year three? Some of these players

1427
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: I think really have to take a big jump in

1428
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 2: year three. You'll hear more about that coming up next

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live. We're presented by Clidahealth on Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills Radio. Welcome back on one Bill's Live. We just

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Speaker 2: finished talking about Buffalo's rookies, what we thought of their

1432
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: first season in the NFL, and what we're projecting those

1433
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: guys to do in their second year in their NFL careers.

1434
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 2: There are a slew of players on this roster who

1435
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 2: are set to become third year players soon enough, who

1436
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 2: we expect big things out of and I think it's

1437
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: okay to put those expectations on some of those players

1438
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 2: based on what they've done in their first two seasons.

1439
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: We hear Buffalo's general manager Brandon Bean talk about quite

1440
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: frequently year three being the breakout year for a lot

1441
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: of players across different positions because they've had two years

1442
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 2: in the system to truly get an offense or defense down,

1443
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with where they're at, with the coaches that

1444
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: they have over them, and finally time to really come

1445
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: into your own as an NFL player. Let's start with

1446
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: tight end Dalton Kincaid, who is going to be a

1447
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: third year player. He finished his sophomore season starting in

1448
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: nine games, forty four catches, four hundred and forty eight

1449
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: receiving yards to receiving touchdowns. Kinkaid is another player that

1450
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 2: missed time due to injury.

1451
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 6: He was.

1452
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: On the inactive list a few games this season, and

1453
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: after the season ended, Bean and Sean McDermott both said

1454
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid needs to get stronger this offseason so he

1455
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: doesn't suffer those injuries and can last throughout an entire year.

1456
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's exactly what I spoke to in the last segment.

1457
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 4: That maybe there are times with specific players it takes

1458
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 4: even three years to become NFL strong. And when you're

1459
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 4: a tight end, you're doing so many different things. You're

1460
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 4: not just catching passes. You need to be able to block,

1461
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 4: and like you said, it's a really really long season,

1462
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 4: especially when you're the Bills going deep into the playoff,

1463
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 4: and I don't it's not surprising that someone that was

1464
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 4: a receiving specialist tight end that wasn't really a great

1465
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 4: or wasn't drafted for his blocking that to have the

1466
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 4: GM and the coach say, yeah, you got to get

1467
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 4: stronger entering year three. It's a huge season, like you mentioned,

1468
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 4: for a lot of players, especially when you were a

1469
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 4: first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Kincaid had that knee injury. Yeah right, Yeah, you heard

1471
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: players after the season. It was Dawson Knox who really

1472
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: stuck up for Kinkaid and said, you know, he was

1473
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: dealing with multiple things that you guys don't know about,

1474
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: kind of describe the PC and said, and then he

1475
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: had a bunch of fluid in his knee as well

1476
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: and was playing on that. So Knox described it as

1477
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,480
Speaker 2: something that was a lot harder than you know, viewers

1478
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 2: and fans you know, thought of Kincaid with just this

1479
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: one injury, it was multiple injuries that he was dealing

1480
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 2: with that he decided to play through Another player who

1481
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: has been a big part of Buffalo defense, and I'm

1482
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: really excited for to see what he does in his

1483
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 2: third year with the Bills. It's Dorian Williams, Buffalo's linebacker.

1484
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: He was drafted in the third round in the twenty

1485
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: twenty three draft, and unfortunately Matt Milano Terris's bicep during

1486
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,480
Speaker 2: training camp when it's looking like Terrell Bernard and Matt

1487
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 2: Milano are going to be back together, Dorian Williams steps

1488
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 2: into a starting role for much of last season, starts

1489
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: in eleven games, leads the team with one hundred and

1490
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 2: fourteen tackles, has five TFLs, two quarterback hits. What do

1491
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: you want to see out of Williams in year three?

1492
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 4: Just the continued development that we saw it from year one.

1493
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 4: We saw some splashes year two in a full time role,

1494
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 4: essentially looked like an NFL starter, a higher level starter

1495
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 4: at times.

1496
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 5: So I'm going to.

1497
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 4: Try to infuse as much or as many numbers into

1498
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 4: this as possible. Yeah, Dorian Williams had forty two stops,

1499
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 4: and what a stop is by Pro Football focus, it

1500
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 4: is a tackle that constitutes a loss for the offense

1501
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 4: based on down and distance, so not every four yard

1502
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 4: gain is the same. If it's on third and three,

1503
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 4: they get the first down. If it's on first and ten,

1504
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 4: that's pretty good for the defense. Forty two stops that

1505
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 4: was the twenty third most among all linebackers, and Williams

1506
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 4: played the fiftieth most snaps, so he was in terms

1507
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 4: of bang for your buck and efficiency in terms of

1508
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 4: those Matt Mulano esque splash plays near the line of scrimmage,

1509
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 4: Dorrian Williams was really really good and in coverage. Dorian

1510
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 4: Williams only allowed seven point nine yards per catch in

1511
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 4: his coverage area, which was the thirteenth lowest among all

1512
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 4: linebackers in the NFL. So not a lot over his head,

1513
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 4: not a lot of running backs or tight ends catching

1514
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 4: the football, creating after the catch, and against the run.

1515
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 4: He was a missile to the football that I think

1516
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 4: Terrell Bernard is really like a brain of the Bills

1517
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: defense where he knows where everyone needs to be, the coverage,

1518
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 4: the played description or design for the offense. Dorian Williams

1519
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 4: is seaball getball, and we talked about that, and I

1520
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 4: love talking about Williams. He was a huge draft crush

1521
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 4: of mine. It was happy when the Bills picked him.

1522
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 4: Sean McDermott spoke to that when Dorian Williams was a

1523
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 4: rookie and when he had to take over for Matt Malane,

1524
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,480
Speaker 4: that he is a run and chase linebacker. The athleticism

1525
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 4: is through the roof. He ran sub four or five

1526
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 4: at the combine super speed. I think it's again, like

1527
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 4: we talked about it with the safeties, a really good

1528
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: complimentary group with Dorian Williams and Trel Bernard.

1529
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 2: Williams just missed nine tackles last season, and you speak

1530
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: about sea ball, gift ball for Williams, he was a

1531
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: player that you draft for his traits. I remember Buffalo's

1532
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: GM Brandon Bean speaking about the defense that Williams played

1533
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 2: in at Tulane being a very different defense, vanilla defense

1534
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 2: where you don't have to do too much in it.

1535
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,480
Speaker 2: And the jump that Williams had to make in Buffalo's

1536
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 2: defense is not an easy one. Williams said during his

1537
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 2: rookie season, it was hard to figure out what we

1538
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: were doing year two, I feel much more comfortable in

1539
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: the system. And you see that him missing just nine

1540
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: tackles and being a full time starter, Yeah, he was.

1541
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 4: A lot more sure of a tackler. And I think

1542
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 4: that's again the specific players that can be impacted by

1543
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 4: the fact that the Bills are retaining both coordinators, that

1544
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 4: he will be going into essentially year three with the

1545
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 4: same coordinator, same defensive scheme in Buffalo. So I think

1546
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 4: the sky's the limit for him. I'm a big trades guy,

1547
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 4: like I've been saying, and if we're talking about Dorian

1548
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 4: Williams as one of the best year three or just

1549
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 4: young linebackers in all of football next season, I will

1550
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 4: not be surprised, all right.

1551
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: Next up for players who could make a big impact

1552
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,480
Speaker 2: on this roster in year three, it's one of Buffalo's

1553
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 2: offensive linemen, Osyrus Torrens, who I I think has had

1554
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: an incredible two years as an NFL player and has

1555
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 2: been a glue guy on the offensive line, somebody who

1556
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: is bigger in his position but has some light feet.

1557
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: What do you project for Torrance's third season?

1558
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 4: Well, based on his first two years, and really I'll

1559
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 4: go back three or four years to go from Louisiana

1560
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 4: to Florida and not really miss a beat and look

1561
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 4: as good in the SEC as he.

1562
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 5: Did in the Sunbelt. That was one thing.

1563
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 4: Then he goes second round pick to the NFL, plays

1564
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 4: over one thousand snaps and it felt like ninety percent

1565
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 4: of the Bills games you didn't even know he was

1566
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 4: on the field. There was not a lot of penalties,

1567
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 4: there were not a lot of times where he was

1568
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 4: a liability blocking for the run, allowing pressures of Josh Allen.

1569
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 5: And then in year two he was even better.

1570
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 4: And it goes back to what we were talked about

1571
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 4: with Kincaid and with other players being NFL strong. I mean,

1572
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 4: this is a big, strapping dude, but to add even

1573
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: more power and more with and more strength his lower half,

1574
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 4: I am fully expecting Osiris Torrance to be on that

1575
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl caliber type player radar next season. That's not

1576
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 4: to say he's never had a bad rep. When you're

1577
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 4: playing eleven hundred snaps, you're going to have some of those,

1578
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 4: but to limit those because of how well he can

1579
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 4: deal with pass rushers with his length and his power

1580
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 4: will be paramount for year three for him, and I

1581
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 4: think everything that he's done over the last four years

1582
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 4: shows that his arrow is still pointing up.

1583
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 2: Torrans' is sixty five, three hundred and thirty pounds. I

1584
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: did a podcast episode with him at the end of

1585
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 2: the season, and reflecting on his rookie season, Torrence said,

1586
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: I hit that rookie wall. I felt it. I think

1587
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: that's something that I experienced in my first season that

1588
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 2: was a negative year two. I know what to expect,

1589
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: I know what's demanded of me throughout a long NFL

1590
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 2: season into the playoffs, and one thing that he was

1591
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 2: open and honest about was when he felt like he

1592
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: was taking a step back in his play, what he

1593
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,799
Speaker 2: did to help motivate himself was look at old tape,

1594
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 2: whether it be a good game, whether it be a

1595
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: previous season of what he did well, and kind of

1596
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: try to harness that and bring it into the next

1597
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: game so he didn't continue that slump. I thought that

1598
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: was a cool nugget from how Torrence motivates himself throughout

1599
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: the season and having.

1600
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 4: Aaron Kromer there, again, who's this a veteran offensive line coach.

1601
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 4: You know a lot of people say the best offensive

1602
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 4: line coach in the NFL for now going on a

1603
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,560
Speaker 4: third season will be huge. I tease that I was

1604
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 4: going to bring up a lot of numbers. I did

1605
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 4: not mention Dalton Kincaid. If we can jump back in

1606
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 4: him for a second, I want to talk about him

1607
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 4: because we mentioned Keon Coleman and that the disparity between

1608
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 4: Coleman pre injury and post injury Dalton Kinkaid is like

1609
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 4: the exact same case.

1610
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 5: For twenty twenty four.

1611
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 4: Before his injury, he got injured against the Colts in

1612
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 4: Week ten, he was averaging about three and a half

1613
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 4: catches thirty six yards per game, and vitally the advanced

1614
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 4: statistic care to look at twenty point five percent missed

1615
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 4: tackle for Strate, and when you watched him at Utah,

1616
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 4: he was catching those zone sits and those underneath routs,

1617
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 4: making two or three guys miss creating a big play.

1618
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 4: So twenty point five percent misstackle four Strate pre injury.

1619
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 4: Post injury, he was only averaging two point six catches

1620
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 4: per game and twenty seven yards, which is not way off,

1621
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 4: but it's certainly a dip in both of those. You know,

1622
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 4: classic statistical categories. The mistackle four Strate went down to

1623
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 4: six point two percent, down from twenty and a half,

1624
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 4: So kin Kaid didn't have that ability, like you're mentioning

1625
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 4: fluid in his knee at torn pcl plane through it

1626
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 4: to make that linebacker miss, to then turn that six

1627
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 4: yard pass into a twelve yard gain, and what we

1628
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 4: saw a lot from him making something out of essentially

1629
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 4: nothing or a high percentage throw.

1630
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 5: That ability just wasn't there.

1631
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 4: So if presumably healthy in twenty twenty five, the Bills

1632
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 4: get pre injury dald kin Kate from twenty twenty four,

1633
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 4: and he maybe builds a little bit, is a little stronger,

1634
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 4: and can stay healthy in the everybody eats offense, I

1635
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 4: think they will certainly like the production that they get

1636
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 4: from dal kin Kate.

1637
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 2: This dude has half a year to put on muscle

1638
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: and strength ahead of the twenty twenty five season. You

1639
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: think if you're head coach and your GM tasked you

1640
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: with doing so coming off of a season where you

1641
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 2: had numbers where maybe you thought you were going to

1642
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: take a step forward and you didn't. I look at

1643
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Kinkaid as being an extra motivated player who wants to

1644
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: prove I can get stronger, I can last in the

1645
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 2: NFL as a pass catching tight end. And I can

1646
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: add to the blocking game as well. He's somebody who's

1647
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 2: going to want to prove I deserve another contract here

1648
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: in Buffalo.

1649
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 4: And we're speaking about mentors with Aaron Kromer and a

1650
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 4: lot of other players on the roster, giving that red

1651
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 4: shirt type season to these young players. I mean, obviously,

1652
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 4: look at Dawson Knox, who came in as a highly

1653
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 4: f let but pretty raw tight end. Kincaid was more

1654
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: of a polished product than Dawson Knox, and Knox has

1655
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 4: really morphed into a complete tight end and is really

1656
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 4: he's gotten bigger and stronger and is if you ask

1657
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 4: any Bills coach. McDermott spoke to it, Brandon Bean spoke

1658
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 4: to it after the year, a great part of the

1659
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 4: run game, an important part of the run game. It

1660
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 4: wasn't just Eleg Anderson as that six offensive lineman. It

1661
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 4: was being able to attach Dawson Knox to the line

1662
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 4: and move defensive ends and move linebackers at the second level.

1663
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 4: So when it comes to learning how to build your

1664
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 4: body and the technique that comes with becoming a quality

1665
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 4: run blocking tight end along with all the athleticism that

1666
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 4: you have, Dald Kinkaid as the perfect mentor in his

1667
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 4: really close friend.

1668
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 2: Dawson Knox, and Dawson Knox this season proved to be

1669
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: a go to guy at the end of the season.

1670
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 5: Knox.

1671
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: Knox is a tight end who the first couple of

1672
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: years of his had some of those big time drops

1673
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: where it was like, man, if if you could catch

1674
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: the ball in this moment, it would be huge for

1675
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 2: what it could do to a game or to a drive.

1676
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 2: Knocks capitalized off of doing that this season at the

1677
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 2: end of the year, and Josh Allen pointed Knocks out

1678
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 2: as a player who was not recognized by many on

1679
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 2: the outside, but who was super meaningful to Buffalo's roster

1680
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, both in the locker room and

1681
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: on the field. So I think that just cements what

1682
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: this player means to Buffalo's roster, not just this past season,

1683
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 2: but going forward in his career.

1684
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: Here as you as well, Yeah, he's a glue guy

1685
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 4: and even if he's not catching forty fifty sixty passes,

1686
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 4: maybe there is a lot of value that he can

1687
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 4: provide to help and mentor dol Kincaid.

1688
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to take a break, but when

1689
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: we return. We're closing up shop here on One Bill's Live.

1690
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: Stay with us. We're One Bills Live, presented by Clytiehill

1691
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: at the un Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One

1692
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: Bills Live. Before we close things out, we got one

1693
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 2: final caller that we want to get to, Bob from Buffalo.

1694
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: You're on with us, Bob, how are you doing?

1695
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 1: I'm well, thanks, Erry. I wanted to call today because

1696
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: Chris Brown is off and I didn't want to blow

1697
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: smoke up as you're end, if you know what I mean.

1698
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: But that guy is so talented. We are so lucky

1699
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,799
Speaker 1: to have him, him and Steve. He's a national talent

1700
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: that we got locally and it files in some of

1701
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: the footsteps of the announcers we've had before. And you

1702
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: guys on Friday is a fill in. Are incredible Now, Maddy,

1703
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: I like you better than Chris. Sorry Chris, but you

1704
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: know she's a lot better looking and her analytics are

1705
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: actually spot on for somebody that's I've watched over the

1706
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: last two years. Last point I wanted to bring up

1707
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: is this is probably gonna be a point that nobody

1708
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: agrees with, but so so be it. I think that

1709
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: Elam is a lot better than people give him credit

1710
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: to be. I think the guy should start. I think

1711
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 1: they should let him play his game for five or

1712
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: six games, let him be physical, let him get his

1713
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: penalties called, and see what happens. He's got one year.

1714
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: I do believe in him, and I'm gonna let it go.

1715
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: But thanks guys for a great show.

1716
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1717
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 4: What I would say to that is, I mean, if

1718
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 4: there's a glimmer of hope for Elam, it's that the

1719
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 4: Bills are probably going to try to play more man coverage.

1720
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 4: And that's where he thrived at Florida. That's why he

1721
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 4: was a first round pick. And I do think, you know,

1722
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 4: the recency bias and the enormity of that game is

1723
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 4: playing a little bit of a part here to say,

1724
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 4: oh man, he's terrible. He shouldn't even be in the

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Speaker 4: NFL where he has an interception of Patrick Mahomes in

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01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 4: his past and interception against the Steelers in the in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs two years ago.

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Speaker 5: He's made some plays.

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Speaker 2: In there against Tyreek Hill too.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, So there might be with new eyes on him,

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Speaker 4: this Ryan Nielsen that's played more press man than really

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Speaker 4: any other defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: In the league.

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Speaker 4: With Elom still relatively cheap and he's he's not a

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Speaker 4: free agent, maybe the Bills try to give him one

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Speaker 4: more opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Bean was asked about Elm in his season ending press

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Speaker 2: conference and he said, look, I don't think this is

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Speaker 2: how we thought it would go, or Elam thought this

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Speaker 2: is how his career would go to this point. I

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Speaker 2: will say one thing. He is such a hard worker,

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01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 2: is such a great guy. I really want him to

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01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 2: get another chance in this defense because I think Kyer

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Speaker 2: Elam is deserving of it. We want to thank you

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Speaker 2: for tuning into a Friday edition of One Bills Live

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Speaker 2: or closing things up here for the weekend. Enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 2: We'll see on Monday.