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Speaker 2: Hold on, welcome in here these Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian

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Speaker 2: though in for the crew today and fired up. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what, Jeff, you and I are. We're ball

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 2: We got a little like little or Derv's ride, a

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Speaker 2: real stuff is right around the corner, my friend. That's

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Speaker 3: I was thinking yesterday about how much fun I had

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Speaker 3: I think until Saturday. Again. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very cool. And it's funny too, because I

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Speaker 2: And by the time the Sunday games rolled around, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of it too, But man, I mean

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Speaker 2: he had a really good debut. It's funny. We talked

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Speaker 2: about this a little bit yesterday on Countdown, Jeff, But

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Speaker 2: like the oh, by the way stories Compared to Shaduur Sanders.

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Speaker 2: We all know Shador falls to the fifth round, but

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Speaker 2: it's just been opinion city all things. Shadure Sanders and

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Speaker 3: Well, think about this that Shudur Sanders and the Browns

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the wild thing is if Shadure was

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk about the preseason and I'll get

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Speaker 3: the preseason. I know it's not judged like this by everyone,

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Speaker 3: It's not my personality. I'm just I'm I'm not gonna overreact.

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Speaker 3: And this is where the analysis starts. Right, It was

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what. Gabriel has been practicing. I'm

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Speaker 3: Why would he He's not the starting quarterback, Brian, he's

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Speaker 3: so effusive with their praise, Like they didn't say earlier

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Speaker 3: He was playing with backups against mostly backups, the pandas

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Speaker 3: I just I'm just tired of like seeing of these

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Speaker 3: that happened. I saw people, you know, well, he's a

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Speaker 3: fifth round pick. Yeah he was. That. That's over with now.

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Speaker 3: Now now it's time of judgment based on his performance

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Speaker 2: If you said something like, hey man, he's in a

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Speaker 2: it to the He's being set up to fail. That's

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Speaker 2: what RG three tweeted last week, Shaduur Sanders is being

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Speaker 3: he's he's been out. No, Sanders is getting the amount

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Speaker 2: Oh what's going on? Happy Sunday to you. It's not Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Happy Monday to you. I didn't go to sleep last night, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm still I don't know how. You just

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Speaker 3: Out there? I when when? When? When? When they ran

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Speaker 3: play your starting quarterback and the backup offensive line. Right,

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Speaker 3: but are you telling me that like darn Ald Wright

430
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Speaker 3: couldn't use some reps?

431
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Speaker 1: Right?

432
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Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's it blows my mind a day the

433
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Speaker 3: day went in that direction and and just decided not

434
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Speaker 3: to play him. I I just it concerns me about

435
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,239
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson. I know it.

436
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: And he's a second year guy. I get it. If

437
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: he's a veteran, been around a long time. He had

438
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Speaker 2: a shaky rookie season and I don't know, man, I

439
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: would get him a couple of drives and get him,

440
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Speaker 2: get his feet wet, you know, get him some game

441
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Speaker 2: like situations prepared. I just think there's far more good

442
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 2: than bad. Again, the bad is he gets hurt, Well

443
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 2: what else? They're a lot more good realistically to come

444
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Speaker 2: from it. Okay, let's go with another quarterback here mistake

445
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: or makes sense. Aaron Rodgers no playing time for the Steelers.

446
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Speaker 2: What do you think?

447
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Speaker 3: I I think it's probably fine. He's playing a football

448
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Speaker 3: in his life, and I could see, like if he

449
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Speaker 3: plays Game two, which I haven't seen the announcement of

450
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: starters for game two, I think it's I think it's

451
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Speaker 3: okay for him not to play in the first game

452
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Speaker 3: if he plays in the second game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I'm gonna go a little

454
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Speaker 2: bit differ. I'm gonna go small mistake. This is not

455
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: a Caleb Williams Bears like mistake, but I think small mistake. Again,

456
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: when you have brand new teammates, get out there, get

457
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Speaker 2: at least a drive. I think it. I think there's

458
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Speaker 2: some some benefits for doing that. But again, a small mistake.

459
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Speaker 2: He's been around for so long. It's not as if

460
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Speaker 2: he's going to be like way behind not getting him

461
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Speaker 2: out there. How about this. I think probably be on

462
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Speaker 2: the same page on this one. Joe Flacco makes sense

463
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: or a mistake that he didn't get out there with

464
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Speaker 2: the with the Browns.

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Speaker 3: Oh he didn't have to play.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it makes sense to not get out there.

467
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Speaker 2: You're just trying to get him healthy. You're trying to

468
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Speaker 2: get him the week one.

469
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Speaker 3: You have to just get there for then Santa will

470
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Speaker 3: take over like in a week five, so it didn't

471
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Speaker 3: matter anyways.

472
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Speaker 2: Do you think that will happen?

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think so. I think Sanders will

474
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Speaker 3: play sooner or later, and he'll he will pass doing Gabriel,

475
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: which I thought this was all wrong. It was nothing new.

476
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Speaker 3: But I think Sanders will get the backup job. And

477
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Speaker 3: Flacco did not play well last season. No, I think

478
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Speaker 3: that we look at this and he didn't play well

479
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: last year. He's not He's forty one. He can't move, don't.

480
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Speaker 3: I don't. The Browns offensive line is getting older, and

481
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: wide receivers aren't great. I don't know why people think

482
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Speaker 3: he's gonna play well.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

484
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Speaker 2: I cashed a couple of Flacco interception bets last year

485
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Speaker 2: that worked out pretty well. When he's with the Clones,

486
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, and listen, man, that just shows you

487
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: how bad Anthony Richardson is at football. I mean really,

488
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: that's the thing, because when Flacco initially took over for Richardson,

489
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Speaker 2: You're like, wow, look at this, he's completing passes. They're

490
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Speaker 2: moving the ball, they're scoring some points, and then he

491
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Speaker 2: gave it a few more weeks and you're like, all right,

492
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: the magic has worn off. But initially it's just like, man,

493
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Speaker 2: how do we play Anthony Richardson when we've we've got

494
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: this Joe Flago guy who's more productive. It's just it's

495
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: embarrassing what's happened with Anthony Richardson and the colts man.

496
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Speaker 2: But that's where they are. I was also thinking this, Jeff,

497
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: you tell me if this makes any sense or not,

498
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: because I was thinking about how it's been thrown out

499
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Speaker 2: there where there's this trendy quarterback comparison, and there are

500
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Speaker 2: a lot of people that will say, well, hey, c J. Stroud,

501
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Speaker 2: the Texans quarterback, he took a step back in his

502
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: second season, right, So is that gonna happen with Jaden Daniels?

503
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Speaker 2: Is he gonna take a step back to sophomore slump?

504
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: You and I are on the same page where we

505
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna happen.

506
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Speaker 3: Right.

507
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: Daniels special talent, different player, uses his legs quite a bit,

508
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: different teammates around him. I just don't see him falling

509
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: off the same way that CJ. Stroud fell off. How

510
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: about this for a different comparison. Could you see remember

511
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Speaker 2: how Bryce Young started out? He was really rough, and

512
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 2: then last year he played a lot better. Could you

513
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: see a step forward? Caleb Williams wasn't as bad his

514
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: rookie year. That's not the comparison. But could you see

515
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: a big step forward from Caleb Williams the Bears quarterback

516
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: you know, new head coach? Yeah, supporting cast a better

517
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: offensive line. I could see at least at the end

518
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: of the season us saying wow, a lot better than

519
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: his rookie season. Right, Maybe that's the comparison to make.

520
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're gonna see just structurally that

521
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: the offense the Chicago runs will help Caleb Willmans be better. Yeah.

522
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: And so it was so dysfunctional last year. I think

523
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Speaker 3: now I don't know if he will be as good

524
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Speaker 3: as we thought he could be. I just I get

525
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Speaker 3: some concerns. Here's the concern. So, like when these quarterbacks

526
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Speaker 3: are at practice and mistakes are finding practice, I think

527
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: we overanalyze practice reps and interceptions and whatnot, and mistakes

528
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: are made. But with a lot of these these guys,

529
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: the reports of the good quarterbacks are just like you know,

530
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: Mom's had a good day. I don't have a good

531
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: day through an interception or two, but you know, a

532
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: good day. And maybe kayleb woman's being judged on an

533
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: unfair curve, but because there's so much attention to him,

534
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: but I'm not we're not getting that from Williams. From

535
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: Bear's camp boy, another not even day for Kayler Williams. Oh,

536
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: didn't look great here. Guy can't hit the net when

537
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: he throws the ball into the hole.

538
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

539
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: And so like those, we're just not getting the typical

540
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: training camp fluff reports that we get when it comes

541
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: to you know these sort of you know they they want,

542
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: you know, they want you want to be positive in

543
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: training camp, right, you want to get your fan base

544
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: excited if you cover the team. It just feels like

545
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: people are like, I don't, I don't know. I don't

546
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: know about Williams, like we haven't seen it sort of

547
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: quite yet. He's obviously very talented. I think Ben Johnson

548
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: will get the most he can out of him, so

549
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: it'd be better than the last season. But I don't expect,

550
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: I really don't to be some great Bears revival this year.

551
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, I'm not saying he goes crazy and goes

552
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: nuts this year. I think that he could take a

553
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: noticeable step forward. I just think the thing with Caleb

554
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Williams two things. The first thing is, unless you're certified,

555
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: you know, like you've put up numbers for a while,

556
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: and we know, okay, Josh Allen is a top guy.

557
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: Mahomes top guy, Like you're certified, you've been knighted. Unless

558
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: you've been knighted. When you have a rough day in

559
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: training camp, it's like, uh oh, where do things stand exactly?

560
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: We don't think that with the top guys. You know,

561
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: if Justin Fields goes out and stinks it up in

562
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: training camp with the Jets, it's like, uh oh, here

563
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: we go again.

564
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Speaker 1: You know.

565
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: So until he gets to that status, like we're going

566
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: to freak out about what he does in training camp.

567
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: And I think that's all tied to the expectations initially

568
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: number one overall, pick all this talent, what we thought

569
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: he would be, what he's expected to be, and he

570
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: didn't live up to expectations in year one. So I

571
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: think people are just freaking out. That might be a

572
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: common trend.

573
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Speaker 3: It's certainly fair to view those reports with that lens

574
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: because I mean, look, the way you judge someone's career

575
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: right or wrong, is off their draft slot. Right, I

576
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: was seventh round pick. My career always gets judged as

577
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: a seventh round pick, where if your first round pick,

578
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: first pick overall, you always get judged off of that,

579
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: and then you get compared to your peers when you're

580
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: when you're drafted that high, I don't get compared to

581
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: any seventh round They're not like, oh, Short's played eight years,

582
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: but this guy played nine. No one cares when your

583
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: seventh round pick, but they do care when you're them.

584
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: We'll pick in the draft, and Jane Daniels plays so

585
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: well as rookie season, so everything that Williams does is

586
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: now going to be tied to Jaden Daniel's success, and

587
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: so that's where there's a lot of pressure on him.

588
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: Even more is because he's got a basically play well

589
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: because Jane angles has played well and look to be fair,

590
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: william can still have a good career. But it's very

591
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: rare to have a situation where two quarterbacks in the

592
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: same draft class are like world class players. It's a rarity, obviously,

593
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three very rare, even like four and then

594
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: and then the two like the Burrow Burrow Herbert to

595
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know Herbert, Like that's one that's a

596
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: rare year. But again, like those are like every twenty years,

597
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: one year that it has multiple franchise type changing quarterbacks,

598
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: and so it would be a rarity for that to

599
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: be the case here as well.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I also think last thing I'll say is

601
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Speaker 2: I think Caleb Williams is the most scrutinized player in

602
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: the NFL right now. I don't know who's even that

603
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: close to Caleb Williams when we're breaking down him missing

604
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: a net in training camp, but like Coward's freaking out.

605
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: Coward is one of the smartest dudes in sports radio ever,

606
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: and he's freaking out. Like they took it down off

607
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: the Bear's website. It's not a good look. It's like

608
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter at all. He drained multiple shots right

609
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: after that. No one cares. It's just he's the most

610
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: scrutinized guy right now. Number one. Pick all the opinions

611
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: he generated from people when he was at college just

612
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: translated to the NFL. No one is under the microscope

613
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: more than Caleb Williams, is, right, Now we're not breaking

614
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: down anybody else's training camp netthrows than Caleb Williams. It's crazy.

615
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just because it was so bad,

616
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: like that's it, you do, not breaking it down because

617
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: most of the time the quarterback gets the ball into

618
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: the net. Now again, the one thing that I always

619
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: try to tell everyone about training camp, about these reps

620
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 3: is you don't know what they're working on. So they

621
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: might be working Killa Williams. That drove might have been

622
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: like catch the ball, throw as fast as you can,

623
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: like are working on on r PO type stuff or

624
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: working on getting rid of the ball quickly, And so

625
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: you know that that's why the throws might be inaccurate.

626
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: You know when when they talk about interceptions in a

627
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: day no interceptions, he had five. Maybe that that that

628
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: you know that install for the day is deep is

629
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: deep throws, and they just want you to throw the

630
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: ball deep every time in that right, And you thought

631
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: you're a couple of interceptions. That's why I think some

632
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: of this is and I actually think that when you

633
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: throw no interceptions, that's almost worse. Like I kind of

634
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 3: judge you. I'm like, oh, you know, no interceptions, are

635
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: you trying to throw a ball down the field. So uh,

636
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: that's that's we have to take into consideration those those

637
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: things we talked about. These quarterbacks you can't. But again,

638
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: it wasn't a great look for kill Williams to not

639
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: be able to hit the net in that sequence and.

640
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: Then the reaction, and he was upset about Oh my gosh,

641
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 2: it's like, shut up, this means nothing. We're not going

642
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: to revert back, you know, after week five and be like, well,

643
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: remember the throwing that video. This shouldn't be a surprise

644
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: that he stops.

645
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: You upset about it? You want to be accurate.

646
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man.

647
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648
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649
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650
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Speaker 2: Oh what is going on? Happy Monday to you? As

651
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: I messed up and said happy Sunday, Like an hour.

652
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: You've slept yet, so for you it's still Sunday.

653
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I'm full energy, man, I'm fired up.

654
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: We got ball over here to discuss. You know, Jeff,

655
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: I think and you tell me if you have a

656
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: different opinion here, But I think there was a popular

657
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: opinion a few months ago. It didn't make sense then.

658
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: I think it makes even less sense now. That would

659
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: be Dion Sanders, right, the father of shaduor Sanders. Shaduur

660
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: played very well all things considered, against the Panthers in

661
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: his preseason debut. But it made me think of all

662
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: of the opinions right before the draft and when Shador

663
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: was falling. First round came and went no, no draft pick,

664
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: second day, second third rounds came and went no Shador.

665
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: And then people were, like a lot of them were like,

666
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: you don't take Shador. You're gonna have to deal with

667
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: Dion Sanders, right, You're gonna have to deal with all

668
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: the opinions, all the things that he's gonna say. It's

669
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: a circus like atmosphere, y got stuff like that. I

670
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: know you heard it too.

671
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

672
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: And if you look back, now, what has Dion done

673
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: to cause waves? When has he gone to Twitter? When

674
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: has he been in a press conference saying what is

675
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: what's going on with the Browns and my son not

676
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: getting first team raps? He hasn't said or tweeted or

677
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: done anything to cause any waves whatsoever. That was such

678
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: a silly thought at the time, and I think it

679
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: looks even sillier now.

680
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: And actually, you know, Shudura said like, I really like

681
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: have not had my dad around because of that reason.

682
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: Ye.

683
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: Look, I do think I do think it's it's fair

684
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: to to think, like, if you know Sanders who was sick,

685
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: you know, if he wasn't sick, would that have changed

686
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: what his philosophy was towards you know, being present essentially, right,

687
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: which I'm glad he's very healthy. I guess very hell

688
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: is wrong, but he's healthier now obviously that I do wonder.

689
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: I think when people were talking about that, they use

690
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: Dion as a proxy for the media, right, because there

691
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: are certainly a lot of people in the media who

692
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: have Dion's side when it comes to anything about Dion, right,

693
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: And so I think it was less about Like I

694
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: never expected Dion standards to go on Twitter and be like,

695
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: why is this the fans keep playing my son? But

696
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 3: I did expect and do expect his friends the media

697
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: to to to say to say those things on ESPN. Yeah,

698
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: well that and that's why so I think it's it

699
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: was less about Dion to me. I think they just

700
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: used Dion as a proxy for like the media. So look,

701
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: Josh pay I'm give him a shout out. He does

702
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: a culture ball show, Josh bow He's a great, great

703
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: cultureaball guy. He he he is. Like he had the

704
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: best way describe the phenomenon of like of Dion and

705
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: how people talk about Colorado him and like shaduro Okay,

706
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 3: he called it the the Dion tax, right, where people

707
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: that typically don't talk about college football, or don't follow

708
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: the sport, or don't really pay attention to the inner

709
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: workings of what's actually happening, but they feel like they

710
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: have to talk about it because it's a popular sports topic,

711
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: the Deon tax, right, and that that to me feels

712
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: like what it is all the time. It's people wanting

713
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: to have opinions about should Sanders Dion Sanders their family

714
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: without actually putting in the work to know the situation.

715
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: And I get back to the same thing with this.

716
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: You know, Deon, you excuse shud is getting screwed by

717
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: the Browns for having to play a preseason game Like

718
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: every other player ever in the same exact spot of

719
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: all time has the same same spot. Right, you put

720
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: a put Joe Smith fifth round quarterback in the exact

721
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: same position, the exact same thing would have happened right,

722
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: exact amount of reps, exact amount of work before the game.

723
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: Everyone's hurt. Go play the fourth round quarterback like or

724
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: to fifth round quarterback. That it would have It would

725
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: have mattered what his name was. But people are out

726
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: here just saying ridiculous things about that situation that don't

727
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: really know the inner work, and it's it's frustrating by

728
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: the way, when people that do know how it works

729
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: also join the crowd of saying how unfair it is.

730
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: And you know, I that bothers me because you can

731
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: be a friend of Deon Sanders and also acknowledge that

732
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: this is how it goes. This is how the NFL works.

733
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: When you're a four string quarterback as he is right now,

734
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: you work your way up the depth chart. They draft

735
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: him in the fifth round. You could be upset about that,

736
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: but that's over it. That happened. That that happened, it's done.

737
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: Now Still talking about that doesn't apply right now. What

738
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: applies right now is he's fourth string, he gets four

739
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: string reps. You might disagree with that, but this nothing

740
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: out of the out of the ordinary. Brian, and now

741
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: because he played well, which I thought he would. Then

742
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: what happens now now if you're upset because he has

743
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: a passed Gabriel yet, Well, Gabriel hasn't even had a

744
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: chance to play yet, Brian, So it would be unfair

745
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: to everyone, I think to not let Gabriel get one

746
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: chance this week. I would imagine to play to see

747
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: he was better in a game. I think again, I

748
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: think Sanders will be better. So it's just, you know,

749
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: the don tax is a good way to put it, right,

750
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: it's everyone that just doesn't really follow the sport the

751
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: way they should, that has to talk about him all

752
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: the time.

753
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: Well, I would say I do this with music quite

754
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: a bit, you know, where there will be people that

755
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: will hear a couple of the hit songs of a

756
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: certain band and they think they know the band, and

757
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: it's like, but you don't you know a couple of

758
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: the most popular song, You don't know do you know

759
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: anything from this album? Do you know anything? But you

760
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: don't even know what I'm talking about? Right? Like that

761
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: happens a lot in music, so I can absolutely see

762
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: that in sports as well. So that's the first thing.

763
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: The other thing is there are a lot of people

764
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: that feel strongly one way or the other about Shadoor

765
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: Sanders and Dion Sanders. Right, But that's the thing is

766
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: if you like them a lot, or them a lot,

767
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: if you dislike them a lot, I would say, don't

768
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: let like or dislike destroy your opinions because that's happening

769
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot on both sides, whether you love them, you

770
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: hate them, whatever it happens to be, because you had

771
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: people saying, you know, I remember leading up to the draft,

772
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: some people were tweeting me like they obviously disliked Shador

773
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: Sanders and they were like, oh, this guy, it's all

774
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: hype the guy. He's not even accurate, He's not even tough.

775
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you do you watch the Are you

776
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: kidding me? Like those are two of his core traits.

777
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: That's insanity. You just don't like him. At the same rate,

778
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: there are people that really like Shador, really like Dion,

779
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: and then it will turn into oh, he's being set

780
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: up to fail, like that's born out of really liking him.

781
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: It starts from a good place, but it leads you

782
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: to a bad spot. So I would say, put whatever

783
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: it is you're like or dislike for Shaduur dion to decide,

784
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: don't let it infiltrate your opinions. But there's a lot

785
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: of that going on on both sides of it.

786
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: The reason why, to me, I always found it difficult

787
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: to be a hot take person, right who has to

788
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: just fire off these things and be so passionate in

789
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: one direction or the other, is that you have to

790
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: backtrack very often. So for example, like if you came

791
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: out after Segur played one game and said greatest thing ever,

792
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: he might play poorly next game and shool he's a rookie,

793
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: and then you have to backtrack off that statement. Just

794
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: it's just taking it for what it was in game one,

795
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: which was fifth round pick playing with backups against mostly

796
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: backups who we know is very talented, Like he had

797
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: a game that remnant that looked like a player who's

798
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: more talented than his opponents, which we all agree he is.

799
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: No one disagrees with that. So if you but if

800
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: you make it about see, I told you guys, greatest quarterback,

801
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 3: how dare they? And then he goes down and plays

802
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: poorly next week, you have to backtrack.

803
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

804
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: It's in just analyzing it for what it was. So

805
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: that's why not it's not really one of the reasons

806
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: I don't do it. But that's why I don't just

807
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: make definitive statements about about players after one preseason game.

808
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: It's why going on television and saying they sat him

809
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: up to fail, you have to back I saw, you know,

810
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: I saw r G three. He did long tweet about it,

811
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: he was set up to fail, and then a long

812
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: tweet about how great he played. And I'm like everyone

813
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: everyone was like, you said he was gonna fail. Like

814
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: you said he was gonna fail. How can you then

815
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: say he played you? So that's my point, right, like

816
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: if you if you do those things, then you look

817
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: dumb when you have to backtrack. And so people have

818
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: had to backtrack because they just the deon. You have

819
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: to say something, man, No, you don't. You almost say

820
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: something every time you sure you don't have to.

821
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: It's kind of funny. It's funny what you're saying right there, Jeff,

822
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: because and this is a smaller thing, but it does

823
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: make me think of Dion Sanders because he's done this

824
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: before and he's not the type to backtrack, but he's

825
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: he jumped the gun a little bit at times. Right

826
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: where you think back to his first win at Colorado.

827
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: And remember when ed Warder he was the reporter and

828
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: apparently he wrote some things that Dion didn't like leading

829
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: up to the game, and then Dion famously said after

830
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: they beat TCU as like twenty one point underdogs or

831
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: whatever it was, he said this, Yeah, he was like,

832
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: do you believe now? And then they ended up four

833
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: and eight that season, you know what I mean, Like,

834
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: that's not a do you believe now?

835
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: Moment?

836
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: That was a good win, a good win that wasn't

837
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: you know, what do you have to say now? And

838
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: it made me think of this latest game, where again

839
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: he's a proud father. This is a small thing. I

840
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: get it, but sometimes you overreact a little bit. Shaduor

841
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: Sanders threw a second touchdown pass and Dion went to

842
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 2: X and tweeted, Oh yeah, what now? And that's clearly

843
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: a shot at the critics, you know, like it's obviously

844
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: what it is. And it's like, to me, that's not

845
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: a what now moment. That's a good performance in the

846
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: first week of the preseason. If if Shador is starting

847
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: in the regular season, and I don't know, they go

848
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: on the road to Baltimore and he plays great and

849
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: they somehow pull a stunning upset. That's a what now moment,

850
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: that's a what do you have to say now?

851
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: Moment?

852
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: I don't think the first game of the preseason is.

853
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: But hey man, it's not.

854
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: Dion was excited and he jumped the gun a little

855
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: bit right there.

856
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: Look it's okay, as you mentioned it, like many things

857
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: are true, right, Like, it's a great moment for him.

858
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: I get being a proud father. I'm obviously like a

859
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: you know, a dad, and I feel I feel that

860
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: in my core when you know, you decided for your

861
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: kids in athletics. But you're right, like he's setting himself

862
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: up for when if it doesn't happen quite the same

863
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 3: way in game two. Now people are coming at Dion

864
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: and coming at his family, and that's why I think

865
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: just a measured approach for the most part, and to

866
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: your point, like if you do this in the regular season,

867
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: like heck, yeah, man, like right, put your chest out,

868
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: you know, brag, brag about like all those things are

869
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: absolutely true. But again, played well in game one. I

870
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: hope he gets reps, better reps with better players. I

871
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: don't think that's gonna happen because I think Dylan Gabriel

872
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 3: still has to have a chance, I mean drafted him

873
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: in the third round, Like Gabriel has to have a

874
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: chance to uh to get the job as well. So

875
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't actually don't know if Sanders will get a

876
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: ton of reps with the Ones anytime soon. I'm curious

877
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: how they how they end up splaying the reps this

878
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: weekend to see sort of where we know where the

879
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: competition is at.

880
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it will be interesting to see how it

881
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: comes along here. But that's the that's the the weird thing.

882
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: You know, measured, it's probably the most accurate to have

883
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: a measured statement. Hey, good performance, Let's see what happens next.

884
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: This is the first game in the preseason. That's the

885
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: most logical statement, correct, But measured doesn't get clicks, it

886
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: doesn't get a reaction, it doesn't get ratings, so you

887
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: have to then go to the next It's so messed up,

888
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: how but whatever.

889
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: It's the way it is. Uh. Speaking about Colorado though,

890
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, we don't do much college football here the

891
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: Hue it is. It's an under. It's an underseason for

892
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: me with them. It's actually one of my stronger plays

893
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: for college football. I just think there's a there's a

894
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: lot they have a lot of change. I think when

895
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: you look at I don't think so. Two things about

896
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 3: Colorado quickly. One is that we we didn't give Deon

897
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: enough credit last year for how how well that team played.

898
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 3: And the reason why is because year one you had

899
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: the d On tax. You had a bunch of people

900
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 3: that were blowing smoke every single week about their first

901
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: three week performance and then you realize, like, yeah, they

902
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: won one conference game afterwards, like they weren't actually that

903
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: good that season, but because everyone told us, Remember there

904
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: was a tweet by fan Duel after week three that

905
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: said who would win or what a hypothetical line between

906
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen LSU and twenty twenty three Colorado.

907
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, line would have been fifty eight and

908
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: a half.

909
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Okay, they would have won that game sixty five dollars.

910
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh all right wow.

911
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: And then last year when they actually were good, the

912
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: team was nine to three, like legitimately played well last season,

913
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 3: no one talked about it because there was you know,

914
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 3: all that energy was was used up talking about them

915
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 3: in year one, and I actually didn't they got their

916
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 3: their their due last year, but they replaced and then okay,

917
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: So to continue my point, there's a talented team on offense,

918
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: Like look at the guys even contributing so far in

919
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: the preseason, Travis Hunter, durs Sanders, Jimmy Waren Junior or

920
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: Webster like good football players. They just they lose so much.

921
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: They lose a Heisman winning corner who's also their best

922
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: wide receiver. They lost their other three top wide receivers,

923
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: they lost their quarterback, They replaced four offensive linemen in

924
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: the portal. They lose their best pass rusher, their best linebacker,

925
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: their best their best now in their best cornerback, who's

926
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: their highest and winning wide receiver. Like, they lose all

927
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: these guys. It's hard and comfortable to lose all that

928
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: talent and then replace it every year with portal players.

929
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: It's just it's nearly impossible to win if you continue

930
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: to do that. I think that's the problem with Colorado.

931
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: They just the portal's great for the first couple of

932
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: years as you build up your your roster, but at

933
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 3: some point you need to have high school players contribute,

934
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: and there's not enough of those guys in Colorado.

935
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's if you're comparing it to the NFL.

936
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: I think the portal is like free agency, and that's

937
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: great if you're adding some bells and whistles to your roster,

938
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: but you don't want to rely on it for your

939
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: core players, you know what I mean. Like you want

940
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: on an NFL roster, you want your core players to

941
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: be draft picks. You know, you want cheaper, younger talent. Yeah,

942
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: and then you supplement it with with free agency. But

943
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to live on free agency for your core.

944
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: And that's the thing in college too, you don't want

945
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: to live on the portal for your core. I think

946
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: it's going to come back to bite you.

947
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: You don't. And what I found very interesting. So you

948
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: know Dion, you know, had had the press conference, right

949
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 3: he was announcing that, you know, he was with his

950
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: medical team and heading into that was two mondays ago,

951
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 3: I believe heading into that the night before, I got

952
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: a text message from a couple of people who said, hey,

953
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: like he's going to retire, He's gonna step down for

954
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: health injuries, health concerns. And their their win total was

955
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: six and a half and the Sharps they pounced, they

956
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: they Colorado. You know, it was under six and a half,

957
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: and like minus one eighty five and then ended up

958
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: going to five and a half after all the sharps

959
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: hit it, and of course he ended up saying he's

960
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: going to coach, which I thought was very funny, like

961
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: it's just I don't know where the information comes from,

962
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: but it was very clearly wrong in that situation. It's

963
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: five and a half now their win total.

964
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: Wow, So it stayed there. Interesting, Yeah, yeah, it went

965
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: down a little bit