WEBVTT - Be On The Lookout

0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.000
<v Speaker 1>With as much information as police had on Victor Harrana,

0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.840
<v Speaker 1>they were surprisingly little to go off of. An A

0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.880
<v Speaker 1>p B All points bulletin was put out on what

0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.960
<v Speaker 1>was believed to be the getaway car, a green seventy

0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.879
<v Speaker 1>three buick less Saber with Connecticut plates. Fortunately, that's all

0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.960
<v Speaker 1>they needed. A car matching the description of the vehicle

0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>used in the robbery had been spotted outside a nearby airfield,

0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.519
<v Speaker 1>just five miles away from the Wells Fargo depot. It

0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.880
<v Speaker 1>was Victor's rented Buick backed into a parking spot outside

0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the Swiss Shell, a inn and now defunct two story

0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:58.120
<v Speaker 1>motel chain within walking distance to Brainard Airport. Federal agents

0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.320
<v Speaker 1>got a warrant to go inside the vehicle. The cash

0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.039
<v Speaker 1>was gone, of course, along with any traces of Victor.

0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Police reports show he had left the loaded thirty eight

0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.920
<v Speaker 1>caliber Smith and Wesson revolver and twelve gage pump shotgun

0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.839
<v Speaker 1>he used during the robbery in the car, fully visible

0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:23.120
<v Speaker 1>with the safeties off in the trunk. Transmission parts and

0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.240
<v Speaker 1>a black beret from a military equipment store in New

0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:31.760
<v Speaker 1>York City began to realize from there he had he

0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.840
<v Speaker 1>had away car there, like the clean car Victor Heraina

0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.319
<v Speaker 1>couldn't have picked a better place to dump the car.

0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.360
<v Speaker 1>In addition to being next to the airfield, the motel

0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was adjacent to Interstate which runs from Connecticut all the

0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.720
<v Speaker 1>way to Canada. Police recreating the drive said it would

0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.080
<v Speaker 1>have taken Victor just twelve minutes to get to the

0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.680
<v Speaker 1>motel from the Wells Fargo depot, and that's if he

0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.600
<v Speaker 1>was going to speed limit. Detective Ken O'Brien helped with

0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:08.240
<v Speaker 1>the investigation. There's some speculation about was there an airplane involved.

0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.800
<v Speaker 1>It's a state airport, but it's a private planes flying

0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.639
<v Speaker 1>and the towers wasn't always means at the time, and

0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you can lean it's, you know, in the twin engine

0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.560
<v Speaker 1>plane there easily, but there were no reports of Oh

0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.880
<v Speaker 1>my god, So the guy puts seven million dollars of

0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.120
<v Speaker 1>cash into a car and no one knows where he

0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.639
<v Speaker 1>is right, no no idea And it's fiance a Ledgers,

0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.880
<v Speaker 1>she has no idea wi she has any contact with him.

0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Between the two consecutive car hanks, the security guards heard

0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.360
<v Speaker 1>during the robbery presumed signal to someone waiting outside the depot,

0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and approximately one thousand pounds of cash that needed to

0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.000
<v Speaker 1>be transported. Police were working under the assumption that victor

0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.079
<v Speaker 1>had some help but from home. Now everything's going to

0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.480
<v Speaker 1>our minds that he has to rent a van, something

0:02:54.480 --> 0:03:00.440
<v Speaker 1>else the suspect was. He fled the area and another vehicle.

0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Now beginning to realize maybe he wasn't alone. Previously on

0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.400
<v Speaker 1>White Eagle, I said, getting her right away. We just

0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:19.480
<v Speaker 1>had a robbery at Wells Fargo and it's a huge robbery,

0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.079
<v Speaker 1>and it looks like he had everything with it. He

0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.840
<v Speaker 1>needed to restrain one person, but there were two people.

0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I knew that that car was important in the case

0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.520
<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't his and he could indicate a cole conspirator.

0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Why do you beat the horn? He's not saying goodbye

0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to these two guys. He's saying, I'm coming out. My

0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.160
<v Speaker 1>name is Zem William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist and

0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.680
<v Speaker 1>author of more than forty true crime books. What you

0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.600
<v Speaker 1>were about to hear is the true story of a heist,

0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:57.160
<v Speaker 1>one that funded an international independence movement and sparked an

0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:03.080
<v Speaker 1>investigation spanning nearly four day gates. This is White Eagle.

0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.919
<v Speaker 1>The Wells Fargo depot robbery is arguably the most high

0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.240
<v Speaker 1>profile case to come across the West Harford Police Department

0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:27.320
<v Speaker 1>in Connecticut, an investigation ultimately involving the FBI's fifty nine

0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.839
<v Speaker 1>field offices, scores of agents, other government agencies, and the

0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Hartford and West Harford Police all putting in hundreds of

0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.880
<v Speaker 1>hours of work. It was the biggest robbery case we

0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.760
<v Speaker 1>ever had. We used all kind of manpower in this case.

0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.039
<v Speaker 1>During my research into the case, there were a number

0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of people I knew I needed to speak with to

0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.520
<v Speaker 1>get a better sense of how things operated among law enforcements.

0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Detective kennel'brien was one of them. His resume is impressive.

0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.560
<v Speaker 1>During his twenty eight years as a police officer with

0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the West hard For Police Department, Ken was also on

0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.839
<v Speaker 1>the Arson Task Force and studied forensics before being sworn

0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.719
<v Speaker 1>in as a special federal agent with the State's Attorney's Office.

0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Ken is now retired. He's originally from Boston, but his

0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.520
<v Speaker 1>ties to Connecticut run deep. He's lived there with his

0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:23.240
<v Speaker 1>wife of fifty four years since nineteen sixty seven. Thank

0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you for the coffee. We had been in communication for

0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.800
<v Speaker 1>months at this point, so he suggested we meet in

0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.479
<v Speaker 1>person and do our interview at his house. So I

0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.839
<v Speaker 1>have all the reports right here. Yeah, I have all

0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the reports from the case. Yeah. Kenn O'Brien is a

0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.760
<v Speaker 1>man of many words, sometimes too many when you get

0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.320
<v Speaker 1>him going. But it's impossible not to love the guy,

0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.479
<v Speaker 1>even when he screens his calls in the middle of

0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:55.800
<v Speaker 1>an interview. It's it's a depth of office. Somebody's got

0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.040
<v Speaker 1>one of us has a depth of appointment, So can

0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:06.159
<v Speaker 1>I talk to that? Go ahead? So then that doggedness

0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.760
<v Speaker 1>to finish the story is part of what made Ken

0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.080
<v Speaker 1>such a great detective all those years. It's been nearly

0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.280
<v Speaker 1>four decades and he still has a vivid memory of

0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:21.400
<v Speaker 1>what happened after the robbery. He says, the gravity of

0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the situation became utterly apparent when the FBI rolled into

0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.159
<v Speaker 1>town just hours after the heist. By four am, the

0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.920
<v Speaker 1>West Harford Police Station was ground zero. They come in

0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:35.599
<v Speaker 1>with a team. I bet you that had to be

0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a half dozen agents came in and we had a

0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.200
<v Speaker 1>conference room. Well we all gathered together and it's like

0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a briefing of his what we know, and everybody drew

0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.880
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit of information they had, what they

0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.240
<v Speaker 1>had done that night before to bring them off the

0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:58.720
<v Speaker 1>speed By then Victor Haraina's photo was everywhere. I can

0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.720
<v Speaker 1>remember as a six year old kid myself growing up

0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.039
<v Speaker 1>in the area seeing that image of Victor's head shot

0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.600
<v Speaker 1>from his Wells Fargo I D badge running across all

0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the TV stations and printed above the fold in the

0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.040
<v Speaker 1>newspapers day after day. You just could not avoid it.

0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Since much of the stolen currency was Federal reserve money,

0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the FBI took the lead. Whoever in the charge of

0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the agents looked around and said where are the phones?

0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.920
<v Speaker 1>And there was only one phone in the conference room

0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.760
<v Speaker 1>sitting on a window sill, and he said, that's one phone.

0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.440
<v Speaker 1>That's not our phone. We'll get more phones, I guarantee.

0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Within a few hours there was like six or eight phones.

0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Then they just make a call boom. I had six

0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:45.320
<v Speaker 1>or eight phone, didn't no kidding, Yeah, unbelievable. They come

0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:50.880
<v Speaker 1>in and they like the statue they have that's for me.

0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It's committee town committee with him you know here' even

0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.440
<v Speaker 1>message goes on and on. How was that relationship between

0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the two apartments. We had a real good relationship with

0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the agents. In fact, we had behind the police station

0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.880
<v Speaker 1>was the old now it's called the town hall, but

0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.480
<v Speaker 1>it was the old high school and had a track

0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and the agents would come and go jogging on that track.

0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.119
<v Speaker 1>And we had a locker room and lockers, the amend

0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and woman agents male and female, and we had a

0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:25.360
<v Speaker 1>gym and the Remember the FBI actually paid for a

0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.800
<v Speaker 1>couple of pieces of equipment so they could use it.

0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:39.000
<v Speaker 1>The FBI working alongside the West Harford Police Department wasn't unusual.

0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.440
<v Speaker 1>The Bureau would routinely assist officers and state and local

0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:48.880
<v Speaker 1>cases investigating organized crime, drug trafficking, or in this case,

0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the theft and transport of seven million dollars in cash,

0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.240
<v Speaker 1>but the manpower in this case was different. The FBI

0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.319
<v Speaker 1>had even sent in profile is up from its headquarters

0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.600
<v Speaker 1>in Quantico, Virginia. A state arrest warrant plus two federal

0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.760
<v Speaker 1>arrest warrants were signed, charging Victor Hereina with a number

0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.800
<v Speaker 1>of offenses, theft from an interstate shipment of funds belonging

0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to Federal Reserve member banks, theft of those funds, and

0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.160
<v Speaker 1>using a weapon in the process of the crime, an

0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:26.720
<v Speaker 1>unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. If Caughton convicted, victor was

0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.240
<v Speaker 1>likely looking at decades behind bars in a federal prison.

0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:36.679
<v Speaker 1>For Detective Kenn O'Brien, every little detail mattered. Take up

0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.319
<v Speaker 1>five thousand piece puzzle and dumping on a table, and

0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.720
<v Speaker 1>now I'm started to try to put pieces together. To

0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.040
<v Speaker 1>each team, we'd go out, then at the end of

0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the day we'd meet again at the Detective Division and

0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.640
<v Speaker 1>there'd be exchange of information. Each day we put another

0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.600
<v Speaker 1>piece at a puzzle together. They'd go out in teams

0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the West Hartford PD, driving federal aigents around town serving

0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:03.440
<v Speaker 1>as backup. They also looked into local leads, friends of Victor,

0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.200
<v Speaker 1>former co workers, his excess, as well as his bride

0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to be, twenty year old Anna Soda. I don't think

0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.520
<v Speaker 1>he told any of his family what he was going

0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.079
<v Speaker 1>to do, and she was devastated. I don't think she

0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.720
<v Speaker 1>knew if she knew, she's a great actress, because she

0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:30.200
<v Speaker 1>was devastated that night. During the first few days after

0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the robbery, Anna Soda wavered between witness and suspect. She

0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.559
<v Speaker 1>was engaged to Victor Harina. She had lived with him

0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.360
<v Speaker 1>for two years. Could she have had some knowledge of

0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:47.679
<v Speaker 1>his movements? Was he contacting her? Victor's bride to be

0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.360
<v Speaker 1>said she had no idea where he was or why

0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.800
<v Speaker 1>he'd robbed the depot in the first place. He was

0:10:53.880 --> 0:11:01.680
<v Speaker 1>very nice, quite uh nervous, very nervous, but sto naive

0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.320
<v Speaker 1>as Anna seemed. Investigators quickly learned she was hiding crucial

0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.240
<v Speaker 1>details about Victor's getaway car. She claimed to have no

0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.880
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of the rented Buick, but neighbors and friends they

0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.160
<v Speaker 1>told a different story. One witness reported seeing Victor with

0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the buick on Saturday the tenth, the same day he

0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.679
<v Speaker 1>got it from the rental agency. She said he used

0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it to pick up a pizza for dinner and even

0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.440
<v Speaker 1>parked it on the street outside of his apartment, also

0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.680
<v Speaker 1>enjoying the car's perks, Anna Soda. Others close to the

0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.440
<v Speaker 1>couple told police Anna was seen riding in the car

0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.360
<v Speaker 1>that weekend, and Victor even drove her somewhere the morning

0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of the robbery. When police found the buick, they noted

0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.720
<v Speaker 1>that Victor had put eighty seven miles on the car

0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.640
<v Speaker 1>in just two and a half days, meaning he'd driven

0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.600
<v Speaker 1>it a hell of a lot. She's the greatest flying

0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.239
<v Speaker 1>in the world, and she's telling the truth despite the deception.

0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.440
<v Speaker 1>To this a. Both detectives Ken O'Brien and Steve Luby

0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.480
<v Speaker 1>describe Anna Soto as a nice person and think Victor

0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.960
<v Speaker 1>left her in the dark. I didn't know it at

0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the time, but other things were true about the marriage application,

0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that you know, we're living together, all the other background

0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff she gave me it was true. But the car

0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.280
<v Speaker 1>became important because her lying about the car made us

0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.080
<v Speaker 1>think that she obviously knew more about the case. Was

0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.840
<v Speaker 1>determined that I would arrest her for hindering prosecution and

0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.120
<v Speaker 1>giving a false statement. Uh and maybe use that as

0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a chance to get more out of her. Anna Soto

0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.880
<v Speaker 1>was arrested on September fift becoming the first arrest connected

0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to the Wells Fargo robbery. Detective Luby says they were

0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.080
<v Speaker 1>hoping the threat of jail time would convince Anna to

0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.480
<v Speaker 1>offer more information, anything that might lead them to Victor.

0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:59.040
<v Speaker 1>It didn't work. Anna Soto lawyered up and stop talking.

0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.920
<v Speaker 1>He had an attorney, Mike Graham. Mike was a character.

0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.360
<v Speaker 1>He was how can I say it nicely, He's a

0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.600
<v Speaker 1>little slick. He was making early threats. You know, from

0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the defense attorney's standpoint, they're good threats to be made,

0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.120
<v Speaker 1>that we were harassing her, that we there was talk

0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.200
<v Speaker 1>about how they took her out that night, out of

0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.160
<v Speaker 1>her apartment and a nightgown at gunpoint to search the apartment.

0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:31.320
<v Speaker 1>So Mike was threatening lossuit for all of us involved. Obviously,

0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you're going to clear the house if he isn't there.

0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.720
<v Speaker 1>We know he's armed if he isn't there, So I

0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.160
<v Speaker 1>don't care if she was completely naked. She's coming out

0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:44.360
<v Speaker 1>quick and we're going in. Anna was released on bond

0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.120
<v Speaker 1>shortly after midnight. A little more than a month later,

0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a state prosecutor dropped the charges, telling reporters at the

0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.760
<v Speaker 1>time he was concerned it would hinder the federal investigation.

0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I've reached out to Anna to see if she would

0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.960
<v Speaker 1>be willing to share her story on the podcast, but

0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I never heard back. She was young when she was

0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.880
<v Speaker 1>engaged to Victor, just twenty and studying to be a beautician.

0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Like Victor, she was deeply connected to her Puerto Rican roots.

0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Anna had lived there for a time with relatives and

0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.680
<v Speaker 1>returned to the States a few years before the heist.

0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.280
<v Speaker 1>At first, it seemed as though Anna's relationship to Victor

0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.720
<v Speaker 1>made her a major player in this story, but within

0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.280
<v Speaker 1>days she turned into nothing more than a witness. With

0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.560
<v Speaker 1>very little information upon In an elaborate chess game, the

0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.200
<v Speaker 1>FEDS were still trying to win, and Victor Harraina seemed

0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to be one step ahead. Unlike his amateurish work restraining

0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the two security guards at the depot, Victor's moves now

0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.520
<v Speaker 1>felt more professional and calculated, far more than the West

0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Hartford police and FBI would have ever anticipated, promising leads

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:04.080
<v Speaker 1>would f allowed into nothing. Police reports detailed countless sightings

0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.960
<v Speaker 1>of Victor, and yet none of them ever panned out.

0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.760
<v Speaker 1>In all likelihood, was just someone who looked like the guy.

0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.800
<v Speaker 1>There was an alleged sighting in Boston of a man

0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.720
<v Speaker 1>fitting Victor's description. He was said to be high on

0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.720
<v Speaker 1>drugs and sleeping on a park bench days after the robbery.

0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Another weeks later from a man claiming Victor asked him

0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.120
<v Speaker 1>for a ride to a West Harford apartment complex. One

0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.640
<v Speaker 1>man even came forward and said he was good friends

0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:36.440
<v Speaker 1>with Victor, speculating that he probably fled the country, maybe

0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to Argentina. And another so called acquaintance who happened to

0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.040
<v Speaker 1>rent a single engine airplane the night of the robbery

0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and flew from Brainard Airport to Boston and back I

0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.400
<v Speaker 1>believe the FBI followed up on that checking to see

0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.160
<v Speaker 1>if the plane because they would have to do something,

0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, before they could use the airport, they'd have

0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.160
<v Speaker 1>to check in or do something a plane, and it

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.880
<v Speaker 1>would be some record of a plane coming to going,

0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and soon they found nothing. There were several leads, however,

0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:13.360
<v Speaker 1>that got law enforcements attention. Take for instance, an envelope

0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that arrived in November that year, postmark from Buffalo, New

0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.040
<v Speaker 1>York and sent to Victor's lawyer's office in Hartford. Inside

0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.800
<v Speaker 1>were three letters purportedly from Victor to his attorney Mike Graham,

0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:32.160
<v Speaker 1>fiance Anna Soto, and Victor's mother Gloria. In one, Victor

0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.000
<v Speaker 1>thanks Graham for representing his fiance and others. He says

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.520
<v Speaker 1>he's fine and apologizes for any of the trouble the

0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.560
<v Speaker 1>robbery may have caused. His mother and Anna. Graham told

0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.880
<v Speaker 1>police the letters contents made Victor's family doubt he'd written them,

0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but they did say the handwriting looked like his. Well.

0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.000
<v Speaker 1>The FBI agreed. A handwriting analysis and other lap tests

0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.440
<v Speaker 1>confirmed that Victor Harraina was the author of the letters,

0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.159
<v Speaker 1>yet there was no way to tell when the letters

0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:11.560
<v Speaker 1>were actually written, which now raises the question was Victor

0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:16.600
<v Speaker 1>even still alive, and even if he was, why in

0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the world would he risk getting caught. Because of this,

0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.720
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement stepped up at search at least twenty FBI

0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.040
<v Speaker 1>agents who are assigned to Canvas Buffalo's Latino neighborhoods. The

0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Bureau even asked Canadian authorities for help. They agreed and

0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 1>promised to search the area as far north as Toronto.

0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.840
<v Speaker 1>From the outside, it doesn't make much sense, really. A

0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.399
<v Speaker 1>twenty five year old who is engaged to be married

0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.760
<v Speaker 1>overcomes two of his coworkers, steal seven million dollars in

0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:57.480
<v Speaker 1>cash and drives away no guarantee of contact with his

0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:02.400
<v Speaker 1>loved ones ever again without going to prison. Who was

0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:08.639
<v Speaker 1>this person? He was clean. Whiston was perfect guy for

0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the drop. It should come as no surprise that news

0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.080
<v Speaker 1>of the Wells Fargo depot heist was everywhere. The thief

0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.119
<v Speaker 1>had so much money to steal from here that he

0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.879
<v Speaker 1>couldn't even haul it all away. Police estimate that he

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.960
<v Speaker 1>left about a million dollars behind. Everyone, including law enforcement,

0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.240
<v Speaker 1>was baffled. A tabloid in Boston called the robbery the

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Big Sleep Heist, a reference to Victor Harain has failed

0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.760
<v Speaker 1>attempt to drug his co workers. It was huge news.

0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was all over the front page of

0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.280
<v Speaker 1>every place in the world. Ed mahoney is the harf

0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.720
<v Speaker 1>for Current Reporter. You heard in the last st episode.

0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Everybody figured that they knew that Victor Herain, it was

0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.119
<v Speaker 1>the inside man, and everybody was waiting for his body

0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to pop up someplace because they figured Weber pulled this

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.280
<v Speaker 1>thing off Houston and he would prove to be expendable.

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Years before Ed began investigating Victor Haraina's role in the

0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Wells Fargo robbery, he helped expose one of America's most

0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:29.199
<v Speaker 1>notorious violent organized crime figures, James Whitey Boulger. Whitey was

0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.840
<v Speaker 1>under investigation for a million years in Boston to kill

0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.199
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of people when he was responsible for all

0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.399
<v Speaker 1>kinds of mayhem and violence and law enforcement corruption. But

0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I think one of the things that really put him

0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.400
<v Speaker 1>on the national map was his involvement in the murder

0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of two or three figures associated with a company called

0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>World Highlight. The World Highlight murders would end up being

0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.399
<v Speaker 1>one of the stories that defined Ed Mahoney's career. Victor

0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Haraina was another, and for anyone who thought they knew

0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Victor Haraina, a broader picture was beginning to emerge. Victor was,

0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 1>you know. He was from the Brooks in New York,

0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.119
<v Speaker 1>and for whatever reason, his mother moved the family from

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the Bronx two Hartford, presumably in search of a more tranquil,

0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>better safer life. They ended up in UH one of

0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the housing projects, and Victor ended up being a good kid.

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Victor attended Buckley High School in Hartford. He was popular

0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and well liked, a fairly good student. If you met

0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.239
<v Speaker 1>him in the early seventies, you'd probably see him as

0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 1>a kind of guy who was going places. He played

0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.119
<v Speaker 1>varsity football and was captain of the wrestling team. He

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.240
<v Speaker 1>was a trained peer counselor and a member of the

0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Human Relations Club. He had little interest in politics, but

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was a member of the student council. He was a

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.359
<v Speaker 1>kid from a very very immodest background in a touch life,

0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and he was making something in it himself. Victor's junior year,

0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.520
<v Speaker 1>he was selected to participate in Upward Bound, a federally

0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.119
<v Speaker 1>funded youth advancement program that allowed him to take an

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>intensive curriculum of courses at nearby Trinity college. By senior year,

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.280
<v Speaker 1>he was awarded a thousand dollar scholarship and was chosen

0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to be a legislative intern at the General Assembly. He

0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:31.720
<v Speaker 1>get a job as some kind of an intern at

0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the state capitol with a woman who was kind of

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a famous figure in the democratic politics. That woman was

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.919
<v Speaker 1>Maryan Delaney, a strong willed figure in politics who for

0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven years helped run the clerk's office at the

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Connecticut House of Representatives. According to Ed Mahoney, Delaney took

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.480
<v Speaker 1>to Victor and advised him on everything from what he

0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>wore to how he spoke. Took him under a wing,

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.679
<v Speaker 1>and that was what went wrong. Victor had his choice

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of colleges to attend. He was reportedly considering the University

0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of Connecticut and Trinity College, but Marion Delaney became a

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.320
<v Speaker 1>powerful influence over Victor and convinced him to go to

0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 1>her alma mater. She got him into this kind of

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 1>really weird, strict Catholic college in Woodstock, Connecticut called Annehurst College,

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:31.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, which was run by a bunch of nuns

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 1>and was on the verge of bankruptcy. The former all

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:39.120
<v Speaker 1>women's college was in such financial despair that they had

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.919
<v Speaker 1>recently expanded the student body to include men. In the

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 1>fall of nineteen seventy six, Victor was one of two

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:50.160
<v Speaker 1>dozen male students among two hundred female classmates. A quarterly

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>con kid from inner city Hartford just didn't fin in

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a place like this. Woodstock, Connecticut is only a forty

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.640
<v Speaker 1>five minute drive from Harvard, yet for a kid from

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the pro objects, it might as well be a world away.

0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Woodstock is rural with rolling green hills, large estates, and wineries.

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And there's Victor, you know, penniless, stuck out in the

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere in the woods, with no money, no car,

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>no nothing, and it just kind of fell apart. Victor

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.199
<v Speaker 1>left Annhurst without finishing his freshman year, and from that

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>point on things took a turn. He jumped from one

0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>job to the next. Police reports show he worked at

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the state capitol, where he had interned as a student,

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>before finding work as a roofer, a special education counselor

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>at the Harford Board of Education, an apprentice at a

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>local aerospace company, and at one point he even joined

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the National Guard. There were a series of relationships as well.

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:56.800
<v Speaker 1>In Victor left his longtime girlfriend Maggie not long before

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 1>she was due to give birth to their daughter for

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 1>an old friend from high school named Pamela. The two

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.760
<v Speaker 1>married and split up that same year, when Pamela was

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>three months pregnant with Victor's second child. Pamela told police

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the marriage ended because it was clear he still had

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 1>feelings for Maggie. For the next few years, Victor went

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 1>back and forth between the two women. They eventually joined

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.919
<v Speaker 1>forces to get him to pay child support, and by

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>two he was paying them and planning a new life

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 1>with Anna Soda. Both exes described Victor as a loving father,

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>though not always present. They said he was traditional. He

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>liked to be the breadwinner, even though he had trouble

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>holding down a job. Even the Wells Fargo depot job

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a given. Victor's brother told police Victor had actually

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.920
<v Speaker 1>been suspended for a month earlier that summer over an

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:02.639
<v Speaker 1>issue involving some missing money. Detective Steve Luby says police

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>thought Victor saw an opportunity and seized on it. You know,

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>some local kids saw this money. He's dealing with this

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>money every day, figures this is gonna be an easy heist.

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>These armored car people, they were notorious for being careless

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>with money. I mean, we had reports in the past

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>of five thousand dollars dropping off the rear bumper in

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>a bag and these things when the guys drove off

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 1>and forgot to put it in the truck. You know,

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>they handled large amount of moneys. But the security, if

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.360
<v Speaker 1>you look back at the security, it was not that

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.120
<v Speaker 1>good at a lot of these companies. Pamela, Victor's ex

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>wife and the mother of his second child, said she

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>never understood why he went through with the robbery, but

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 1>didn't think he could have pulled it off alone. She

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>said she wouldn't be surprised if he wound up dead

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>somewhere and maybe, just maybe he'd gotten in over his head.

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>She also told pal Lae something that stuck with me,

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a potential motive even She said Victor had a tendency

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>to run. He left mag when she was nine months pregnant,

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>He left her when she was three months pregnant, and

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>now it seems he ran out on Anna before they

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>got married. The big question at the time, where would

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Victor run too? And all the stuff are getting early

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.439
<v Speaker 1>on him. It was like a longe wolf. He he

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>would He was never involved in much of anything that

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 1>we could determine. It's like, all of a sudden, this

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>guy just existed and there wasn't a lot of background,

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a bottom to be had. Police thought Victor saw an

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>opportunity and he took it. They didn't think for one

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 1>minute was some kind of mastermind criminal. Then about six

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>months after the heist, police got a lead they could

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 1>not ignore. We got a cough from Massachusetts State Police

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and some d OT Massachusetts Primate Transportation workers cleaning a

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>rest area, the first one right off of four couple

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.959
<v Speaker 1>of miles up from this at the border, and they

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>were cleaning up there and they found a wallet and

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>identification and with Victor Nu's So first of all, now

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>we know two things. He's heading to Boston. And also

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>in your mind at the same time is if the

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>wallace there is your body remains nearby. Mass State police

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>were there, the FBI think went up there too. Sure,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>finding Victor's I D near Boston was a solid lead,

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>but it also can't be ruled out that anyone could

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>have planted that wallet to throw police off Victor sent

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, that is, if he was even still alive.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 1>The FBI and State police didn't get much information from

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the wallet discovery, giving them really little to nothing to

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>go on. After that, leads slowed to a trickle. The

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Wells Fargo Armored Service Corporation, which had initially offered a

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>three fifty thousand dollar reward for information, bumped it up

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to half a million dollars. It was the largest reward

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>ever offered for a single crime in the United States.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Even that didn't work. But just when the FBI thought

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>all roads to Victor lead nowhere, the unthinkable happened. Victor

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 1>went public. On September twel exactly one year after the heist,

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>three handwritten postcards arrived at various news outlets around the country.

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>One to the Harvard Current in Connecticut, had an image

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 1>of the Statue of Liberty on the front. It arrived

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>inside an envelope postmarked from New York City. FBI forensic

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>experts confirmed the postcards were written by Victor, yet once

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>again there was no indication when they were actually written. Still,

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>based on what he wrote, Victor not only wanted to

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>set the record straight about the robbery, he also wanted

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to send a message quote, I will clear up any

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>confusion that still exists about me or what happened to

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>the money. Shortly, be on the lookout. Next time I'm

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>White Eagle and the money shows up. That was traceable money.

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>It's sounded to think of something organized here, we follow

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the money. White Eagle has written in executive produced by

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>me Em William Phelps and Diheart Executive producer Christina Everett.

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Additional writing by our supervising producer Julia Weaver. Our associate

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>producer and script supervisor is Darby Masters, Audio editing and

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>mixing by Jackie Huntington's. Our series theme forms Regal or

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Grand is written by Aaron Kaufman, and special thanks to

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Arlene Santana and Will Pearson at I Heeart Radio. For

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the i Heart

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>favorite shows.