1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Michael Very Show is on the air. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: It was reported that you continue to meet with him 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: over several years, and that, in other words, a number 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: of meetings. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: What did you do when you found out about his 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: back line? 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've said I regretted having those dinners, 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 4: and there's nothing, absolutely nothing new on that. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 5: This has been the most it looks like at least 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 5: the most significant of the releases of Epstein files. I 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 5: want to talk about Bill Gates first because emails from 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein himself claimed that the Microsoft founder contracted a 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 5: sexually transmitted disease even tried to secretly give his then 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 5: wife Melinda antibiotics. 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 6: This morning, new questions are swirling around the state of 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 6: Bill and Melinda Gates his marriage leading up to last 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 6: week's divorce announcement. Last week, the multi billionaires announced in 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 6: a joint statement they were ending their twenty five year 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 6: marriage because we no longer believe we can grow together 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 6: as a couple. One source of concern for Melinda, a 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 6: global advocate for women and girls, was Bill's dealings with 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 6: convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: According to documents, obtained by the journal. 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 6: Melinda and her advisors held a number of calls with 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 6: divorce lawyers in October twenty nineteen. The same month, The 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 6: New York Times first reported that Bill met with Epstein 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 6: on numerous occasions starting in twenty eleven, after Epstein had 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 6: served time for soliciting prostitution. 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: additional affairs, and that he. 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: Tried to get medication to treat a sexually transmitted infection. 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: I wonder what your dominant emotion is when you read. 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: These news articles with these details. 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: Sad, just unbelievable sadness. I left my marriage. I had 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage. 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 7: I had to leave. 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 5: The I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation. 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: So it's just sad. 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 5: That's the truth, right, And and it's. 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: Kind of like, at least for me, I've been able 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: to new voll in my. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: Bill Gates is turning his focus from software to hardware. 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: The Microsoft founder is giving a one hundred thousand dollars 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: grant to whomever can build a better condom. It's part 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: of his Grand Challenges initiative. The goal is to make 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: a condom that feels good enough for men around the 48 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: world to want to wear it and to therefore, very 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: importantly to prevent disease and un wanting to. 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 8: The Washington Post has slashed thirty percent of their workforce 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 8: three hundred jobs, eliminating their sports section, their books coverage, 52 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 8: and gutting their foreign and local reporting, and. 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: Some are. 54 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 8: Decrying this as the end of democracy. It is not 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 8: the end of democracy. Let me start by saying, no 56 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 8: matter how much I hate what The Washington Post has 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 8: stood for, I do not delight in watching someone lose 58 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 8: their job. I believe the free market should be such 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 8: that they should lose their jobs. 60 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: If what they. 61 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 8: Do is repugnant to their audience, and I think it 62 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 8: is and has been. I don't delight in the economic 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 8: misery of people. But I also don't hope they financially 64 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 8: succeed when I believe that what they're doing is contrary 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 8: to our country being as great as it should be, 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 8: nor when I think they hate most Americans, particularly Middle America, geographically, financially, economically, socially. 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 8: I don't mind them failing in that sense. I don't 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 8: mind their investment failing to perform. I want good things 69 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 8: to prosper and bad things to fail. So while it's unfortunate, 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 8: the marketplace works, but that would be a little koy 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 8: of me to say my own company, in every media 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 8: company has laid off people for the last consistently for 73 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 8: the last twenty years. And let me try to explain 74 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 8: the business model of media for a moment. I'll give 75 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 8: you the side that I'm on, which is radio and podcast. 76 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 8: When I started in radio and podcasts twenty years ago 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 8: in the news talk format, the news talk format was 78 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 8: not a dominant format. Back then, news talk was really news. 79 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 8: In fact, the station I worked for was kJ H 80 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 8: News Radio. There was no talk in the format you 81 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 8: would have back then was radio news, almost competing with 82 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 8: print news, and print for a long time had been 83 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 8: the dominant news force and source the daily newspaper. I 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 8: grew up geeking out over the daily newspaper. I would 85 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 8: pride myself on knowing the name of the paper of 86 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 8: record in every major city in this country. Who didn't 87 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 8: love to say the New Orleans pick I un? I mean, 88 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 8: come on, who doesn't know the paper that exposed Gary 89 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 8: Hart on the risky monkey business. Who doesn't remember the 90 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 8: girl that he was with I know you do. Who 91 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 8: doesn't know the names of the papers in New York 92 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 8: or Baltimore or Chicago, or who carried Mike Royko or 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 8: Los Angeles or Houston's Post and Chronicle back when we 94 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 8: had two major papers, of course Dallas Morning News. I mean, 95 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 8: these are names that were legendary, right, But the business 96 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 8: of media changed. And that's not all a repudiation of 97 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 8: the Washington Post in New York Times and everything they 98 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 8: stood for, but it is largely because the means of 99 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 8: production and distribution were prohibitive to competition. It wasn't so 100 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 8: long ago that Joe Rogan couldn't compete with the Washington 101 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 8: Post or New York Times, but he can today. For influence, 102 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 8: he can, as can a lot of people. If you 103 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 8: didn't have a distribution outlet that was owned by a 104 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 8: major corporation, you could not have an influence over the 105 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 8: direction of this country. 106 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: Today that has changed. 107 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 8: You can literally have a phone and an Internet connection, 108 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 8: and if the power of what you have to say 109 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 8: is good enough, you can have a YouTube channel. You 110 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 8: can start a podcast tomorrow. When podcasting really started picking 111 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 8: up about sixteen seventeen years ago, I went to a 112 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 8: radio convention, and they were very worried. And podcasting is evil. 113 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 8: Podcasting is awful. And I remember saying to people at 114 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 8: the time, if a guy with a day job can 115 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 8: do this at night and beat you, which is what 116 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 8: you're scared of, then you're not. 117 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: Very good at what you do. 118 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 8: That's along on the subject of the Washington Post slaying 119 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 8: off thirty percent of their staff and cutting entire departments. 120 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 8: I see a lot of people who make comments about 121 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 8: the business of media who don't seem to know what 122 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 8: they're talking about, many of them from within or formerly 123 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 8: within the media business. First of all, you need to 124 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 8: understand this, whether it's it's TV, radio or newspapers. Anybody 125 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 8: who is retired from media believes that corporations are idiots 126 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 8: and they don't know how to run media outlets. They 127 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 8: are certain of it, and they're so sour and cynical 128 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 8: that they will be glad to tell you and anyone 129 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 8: else that whatever industry they're in has gone to hell. 130 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 8: They knew everything, and nobody else knew anything, and all 131 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 8: the greats have been let go and the industry went 132 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 8: to hell. And that's pretty much true of every person 133 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 8: as they age that cynicism creeps in. Nothing's good anymore. 134 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 8: You know, you ask your average person as their age, 135 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 8: and nothing's good anymore. Roller Coasters aren't good like they 136 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 8: used to be. TV's not good like it used to be. 137 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 8: Music's not good like it used to be. Food's not 138 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 8: good like it used to be. A good poop's not 139 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 8: good like it used to be. Sexy and good the 140 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 8: way it used to be. Girls aren't pretty the way 141 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 8: they used to be. They're not fun, They're not this, 142 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 8: they're not that. Cars aren't good like they used to be. 143 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 8: Air travel is not good like everything used to be good. 144 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 8: Now it's all bad. That's been happening since the beginning 145 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 8: of time. That's why there's the phrase of good old days. 146 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 8: The good old days are the times that never were, 147 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 8: but we remember them to be. So if you ask 148 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 8: anyone in media who is on the backside of their 149 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 8: career are gone, they'll tell you that their industry's gone 150 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 8: to hell, when in fact, what happened was their industry, 151 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 8: like everything else, evolved and it evolved differently for the 152 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 8: people within the industry than it did for the consumer, 153 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 8: and it did for the investor. First of all, most 154 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 8: industries became more competitive because you no longer had silos 155 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 8: where one company had a dominant influence. 156 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: New York Times had the run of the nation. 157 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 8: They were kind of the nation's paper of record for 158 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 8: a very long time, and the only competitor of that 159 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 8: was the Washington Post, and really only on politics. New 160 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 8: York Times had an outsized influence. And that's not a 161 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 8: good idea, that's not a healthy thing. And then over 162 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 8: a period of time, the rise of certain personalities was witnessed, 163 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 8: Rush Limball being the greatest example, but there are plenty 164 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 8: of others where alternate forms of distribution meant that content 165 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 8: could be sent to a broader path, a broader swash 166 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 8: of people, for less money and make it and put 167 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 8: a business behind it to make it monetizable. So the 168 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 8: news stations that existed up till about ninety Rush went 169 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 8: national on August first, nineteen eighty eight, with fifty five, 170 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 8: let's see fifty six stations. But that wasn't the Rush 171 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 8: Limball show you would see within just a few short years, 172 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 8: and there wasn't really a business model for it per se. 173 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 8: Most of what are now news talk stations are really 174 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 8: more conservative talk stations with some news and most of 175 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 8: those stations back then that called themselves news stations. You 176 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 8: couldn't monetize or really deliver a news product twenty four 177 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 8: hours a day. It's impossible. I mean, you're ask how 178 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 8: many reporters you'd have to have, how many anchors? So 179 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 8: what they did is they started selling time brokering, time 180 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 8: block timing, block programming, and they would sell it to 181 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 8: the kinds of people who were already news listeners on 182 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 8: the radio, which is older white people. 183 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: What do those people love? Home improvement, gardening. 184 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 8: You might throw some Tom Martino consumer affairs, but Martino 185 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 8: was hard to put on the air because he was 186 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 8: constantly going after businesses for what he considered bad practices, 187 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 8: and eventually he's going after one of your businesses, that's 188 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 8: your best advertiser, and then they're not going to advertise anymore. 189 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 8: So the station stopped carrying Martino, so you were left 190 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 8: with home improvement and gardening, and that's what most stations, 191 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 8: including my flagship in Houston, were far later than you 192 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 8: would remember. And then Rush really changed everything with talk 193 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 8: that had had a core listenership, and they did something 194 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 8: very smart. Did ABC who first started syndicating him, and 195 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 8: that was they didn't put him in morning drive or 196 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 8: evening drive. That's when stations are at their most competitive, 197 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 8: their morning guy and their evening guy, or their morning 198 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 8: show and their evening show. That's why if you listen 199 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 8: to an FM station, the big personality is going to 200 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 8: be first and foremost the morning guy, and then the 201 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 8: secondary is going to be the evening drive time guy. 202 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 8: And the middle of the day was dead radio. Some 203 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 8: stations didn't have an anchor or a personality on they 204 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 8: were running. And so Rush had the big fish in 205 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 8: the small pond opportunity in every new market to run 206 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 8: Central eleven to two or noon to three Easter, and 207 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 8: of course nine to noon Western, And in relatively short 208 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 8: order he caught fire and programmers started recognizing and station ownership, 209 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 8: which was largely independent station ownership station state by state. 210 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 8: Now it's more of a conglomerate. But back then they 211 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 8: start looking at saying, hey, we can attract a lot 212 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 8: of people, and then you know, sell the advertising for that, 213 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 8: and so the few thousand we're getting off broken time 214 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 8: is not nearly as valuable as putting Rush on. And 215 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 8: in short order the syndicator came in and said, hey, 216 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 8: if we got this listener from eleven to two that 217 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 8: isn't listening to the rest of the day. Let's give 218 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 8: them a continuation of conservative talk from two to five Central. 219 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 8: So that's when Hannity was brought in, and then you 220 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 8: ended up with Beck before that, And in time, the 221 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 8: industry has evolved, and that's where we are today, and 222 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 8: it continues to evolve. But the reason the Wall Street Journal, sorry, 223 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 8: the reason Washington Post is laying off people is they're 224 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 8: not making more than they're spending, and people aren't advertising 225 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 8: or paying for subscriptions with them. And I think part 226 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 8: of that is they've alienated a lot of their audience. 227 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 8: But I also I think it's being run more as 228 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 8: a business. It's not Catherine Graham's newspaper anymore. It's not 229 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 8: Ben Bradley's newspaper anymore. It's not Woodward and Woodward and Bernstein, 230 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 8: for better or for worse, it's not that. And the 231 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 8: audience of newspaper viewers, the liberal audience is already so 232 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 8: super served by ABC, CBS, NBC late night television that 233 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 8: they don't feel they need to go anywhere for a 234 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 8: liberal paper to read. They're already being super served everywhere 235 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 8: they are right. So conservatives feel that they're not being 236 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 8: served by late night TV. Although Gutfell's doing well. Conservatives 237 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,359 Speaker 8: are more likely to aggressively actively go out and pursue 238 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 8: reading an outlet that they feel will give them the 239 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 8: truth in a manner that they want to see that's 240 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 8: more honest. 241 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: And that's not the Washington Post. 242 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 8: And so when you don't have the people there, and 243 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 8: when you don't have the companies putting their name behind it, 244 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 8: you don't have money. You can't afford the payroll. They're 245 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 8: changing people. Advertising has gone to different outlets now, and 246 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 8: that's not the Washington Post. This is how the market works, 247 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 8: and it's a good thing if you almost have a 248 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 8: gift on living credit. First, he somehow got himself canceled 249 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 8: by his own people. He is a gay, black liberal. 250 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 8: How do you cancel that guy? He checks all the 251 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 8: intersectional boxes. They want to keep him around. I mean, 252 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 8: you got to really work to get fired if you're 253 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 8: a gay, black liberal journalist gets fired from CNN. 254 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: Career essentially over. But hold on. He saw an opportunity 255 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: and he sees it being broken. 256 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 8: Hungry is a power, powerful motivator. I'm going to join 257 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 8: these protesters. I'm gonna go trespass over private property. I'm 258 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 8: going to storm a church. I'll create a firestorm. 259 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: I'll be in the news again. She's like Jess Smilab 260 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: my hero. 261 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 8: Well, that did get him publicity alone with being arrested, 262 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 8: but I don't think he really minded because added to 263 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 8: the publicity and then people reported. You know, these people 264 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 8: have to stay in the news. Podcasters they have to 265 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 8: stay in the news. Actors they have to stay in 266 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 8: the news. They have to be remembered, top of mind. 267 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 8: Sometimes you got to do stupid stuff to stay in 268 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 8: the news, and then you had to cackling hens from 269 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 8: the View. I'm never really sure who the audience of 270 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 8: the View is. I don't know anybody who watches the View. 271 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 8: I just know a lot of people who are mad 272 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 8: about the stupid stuff the View says. There is a 273 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 8: programming strategy. It's now an accepted fact that you understand 274 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 8: that nobody is watching your program. Your job is to 275 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 8: say things and then shoot it to the other side 276 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 8: so that they'll talk about it, and that way you 277 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 8: will get eyes on your website and you'll get some 278 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 8: people who will grudge watch. And that's what happens. So, 279 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 8: as far as the view is concerned, Don Lemon, he's 280 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 8: just a journalist who embedded himself in the story. 281 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 9: I think people need to remember that journalists embed themselves 282 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 9: in protests, embed themselves with the government, and bet themselves 283 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 9: and campaigns and bet themselves in police activity all the time. 284 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: That is the practice of journalisms. 285 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 9: So the fact that he was at a protest embedded 286 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 9: in it life is perfectly normal. It is not a 287 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 9: crime to be a journalist. No, but even if he 288 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 9: was protesting, it is guaranteed by the. 289 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: Under the First Amendment. Yeah, how's it right? He wasfering it. 290 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 8: They don't know what the trauma. They don't know what 291 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 8: the First Amendment is. If we're understanding what the First 292 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 8: Amendment means, so let's just allow these journalists to help 293 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 8: commit violent crimes while we're at it, because they're journalists 294 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 8: after all. After all, they're just embedding themselves in the story. 295 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 10: Goodie me Barren Steele reporting for KMBS or an exclusive 296 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 10: look at Today's rise in violent crime. I've embedded myself 297 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 10: with a group of local robbers to better understand their process. 298 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: Right now, I'm in the Ghetaway book. 299 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 10: The suspects are reviewing what they're calling the plan, which 300 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 10: appears to be a. 301 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: Bunch of masks and a double back. 302 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 10: Now for journalistic integrity, I am also wearing a ski mask, 303 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 10: purely observation. 304 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 7: Now they've handed me a shotgun. I believe this is 305 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 7: for perspective for approaching the bacon now and I must 306 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 7: say tensions are high. The robbers say they're feeling locked in. 307 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 7: One describes the vibe as go time. We're inside down. 308 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 7: Customers are lying on the floor to avoid influencing the story. 309 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 7: Ah yeah, Grandma, give me all the money, shots of 310 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 7: a Drindal and fill the room. I'm gonna die. 311 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 10: Suspect has asked me to grab the money. I want 312 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 10: to be clear, this is not participation. This is immersive reporting. 313 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 10: The bag is surprisingly heavy, mostly twenties. Now the police 314 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 10: are on their way, which the group calls Nazis. We're 315 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 10: running now. 316 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: To capture the full experience. 317 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 7: Whoo, what a rush boys in conclusion. 318 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 10: Experts say this first hand approach provides valuable context and 319 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 10: possibly twenty five years reporting live from the backseat of 320 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 10: a getaway car. I'm baron steel for Kobs. 321 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 8: Black History Month doesn't seem to be anything anybody cares 322 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 8: about it anymore. I think the white protesters in Minneapolis 323 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 8: took all that away. But we made it a policy 324 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 8: for several years to every day or two during February 325 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 8: to offer counterpoints to the prevailing narrative, mostly offered by 326 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 8: white liberals, of what blackness is in this country, the 327 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 8: cultural appropriation of what blackness is by white liberals. 328 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: In my response to that is. 329 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 8: I have a better idea of what black should be 330 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 8: and shouldn't how to be successful than the white liberals do. 331 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 8: But to that end we have we have made it 332 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 8: a practice to play for you bits of audio and 333 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 8: share perspectives of people who have a different view of blackness. 334 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 8: Morgan Freeman is an interesting case because Morgan Freeman will 335 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 8: come out sometimes and say something and make you think 336 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 8: he's just a piss off old black dude who hates 337 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 8: white people. 338 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: And maybe he does. 339 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 8: But like Bill Cosby used to do, and again you 340 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 8: say Bill Cosby and people giggle Bill Cosby, the merit 341 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 8: of his words were worthwhile. He did some really dumb things, 342 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 8: some really awful things, apparently I don't know, but would 343 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 8: appear that he did. But he had some things to 344 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 8: say that were useful, and the merit of your words 345 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 8: should stand alone aside from what you said. Karl Marx, 346 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 8: for instance, a hero to the left was a vile, 347 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 8: degenerate of an individual who lived off of rich women 348 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 8: who liked having him around like a little toy they 349 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 8: could carry around on a leash at their parties, and 350 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 8: he would spout things that the ladies, uh, the the 351 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 8: ladies of royalty of Europe would be so impressed by. 352 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 8: But years ago, Morgan Friedman sat down with Mike Wallace 353 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 8: and Redman had been an open critic of the concept 354 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 8: of Black History Month, and Wallace asked him why, and 355 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 8: he said, this Black History Month? 356 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: You find ridiculous. What You're going to relegate my history 357 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: to my month? Oh? Come, what do you do with yours? 358 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: Which month is White History Month? 359 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: Come on tell me, well, I'm Jewish? 360 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: Okay, which month is Jewish History Month? There isn't one. 361 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: Oh oh, why not? Do you want one? 362 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 11: No? No, no, I don't either. I don't want a 363 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 11: Black History month. Black is the American history. How are 364 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 11: we going to get rid of racism? 365 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 3: And stopped talking about it? I'm going to stop calling 366 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: you a white. 367 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 11: Man, and I'm going to ask you to stop calling. 368 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: Me a black man. I know you as Mike lawtas 369 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: you know me as Morman family. So that's smart, ALKI. 370 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 12: Michael Berry, a Detroit Lion season ticket holder who was 371 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 12: grabbed and nearly punched Steelers wide receiver DK Metcalf after 372 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 12: exchanging words, has filed one hundred million dollar lawsuit because 373 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 12: multiple media outlets claimed he said the in word despite 374 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 12: zero witnesses, along with no video or audio evidence supporting 375 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 12: the claim. 376 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 8: In the suit, he names Shannon Sharp and Chad Johnson, 377 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 8: among others. His attorney says, quote, the in word is 378 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 8: the most offensive and inflamma toy racial slur in the 379 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 8: English language. No other word expresses so much hatred and bigotry. 380 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 8: Falseley accusing someone of using that word hurts not only 381 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 8: the person falsely accused, but hurts every true victim of 382 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 8: racial hatred and bigotry. 383 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: Oh that's a lie. Well, okay, Fox two with the story. 384 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 13: They will detail this one hundred million dollar lawsuit and 385 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 13: exactly what happened. 386 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: What led up to this. 387 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 13: It does claim defamation of character following that altercation in 388 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 13: the stands here at Ford Field during that Steelers game 389 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 13: back in December, and that altercation between Ryan Kennedy and 390 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 13: Steelers stand out DK Metcalf. It did make national headlines 391 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 13: and it was played over and over again. It does 392 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 13: allege that Kennedy made racial and derogatory slurs at that time, 393 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 13: something that he is adamantly denied, setting off Metcalf, that 394 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 13: and allegedly leading to an assault. Those claims that they 395 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 13: were repeated and published by some major media outlets and 396 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 13: even overheard on a popular podcast featuring NFL legend Chad 397 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 13: Ocho Cinco Johnson. Now a number of people now listed 398 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 13: in that one hundred million dollar lawsuit. We did speak 399 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 13: with the local attorney who has no connection to this 400 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 13: case but is offering some insight. 401 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: Here's what he had to. 402 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 4: Say partying Ford being soup. We talked a little bit 403 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: about that before we came on, Ford would have had 404 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: to foresee that there was going to be this assault. 405 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 4: You're not gonna be able to prove that Ford knew 406 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: that that was going to happen or was negligent in 407 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 4: some way. 408 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: That's my opinion, still upon the law. 409 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 13: Now, Kennedy says that he has received hate mail that 410 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 13: he's gotten on death threats and that the situation has 411 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 13: damaged his business reputation. 412 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 8: There's a lot to unpack right there, but let me 413 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 8: try real quick. 414 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 3: So to start with. 415 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 8: Players and fans interacting and fighting, I think that ninety 416 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 8: nine percent of the time there is a fan player 417 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 8: interaction to fan is at fault. To start with, the 418 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 8: player is not drunk. The fan usually is number one. 419 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 8: Number two. Fans seem to think that because they've paid 420 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 8: money for a ticket, good money, a lot of money, 421 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 8: and then overpaid for a beer and maybe a hot 422 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 8: dogs some other things, and because they're a really big fan, 423 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 8: you see, because I'm a really big fan, I can 424 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 8: do whatever I want. Hey, guy, we're arresting you for 425 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 8: peeing in public on the field and throwing your jersey 426 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 8: and calling women nasty names. 427 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 3: But I'm a big fan of the team. Yeah that's 428 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: not a defense. But I'm your biggest fan. No, that's 429 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: not a defense. You're out, You're never coming back. 430 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 8: So, to start with, there is the fans side of this, 431 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 8: and that is how many fans think that a professional 432 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 8: sporting event is the place to act out, to cuss 433 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 8: people out, to harass people, to want to fight. It's not, 434 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 8: and it shouldn't be. But what's going on on the field. 435 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 8: Let's be honest. Let's take a football game. What's going 436 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 8: on on the field, grown men smashing into each other 437 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 8: would be felonies if it was happening in the streets. 438 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 8: It is a controlled environment of violence. You remember what 439 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 8: Vince Lombardi said about that. Someone said, Someone said to 440 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 8: Lombardi that football is a contact sport. He said, no, 441 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 8: ballroom dancing is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport. 442 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 8: There are people who become paralyzed. There are people who 443 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 8: can't walk well for the rest of their lives. It's 444 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 8: a violent sport. You couldn't do that in a bar, 445 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 8: couldn't do that outside there and a lot of folks 446 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 8: up in the fans, up in the stands get fired up. 447 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 8: Plus is the inflamed passion. They hate their wife, they 448 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 8: hate their kids, they hate their job, they're bad about politics, 449 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 8: and this is the one place they can go and 450 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 8: scream and holler and act a fool. A couple that 451 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 8: were drinking a lot of beers, and they make mad decisions, 452 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 8: often related to players who they think are there as 453 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 8: props to take their nonsense. 454 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: I don't think they are. 455 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 8: When when Vernon Maxwell Mad Max went up in the 456 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 8: stands because a fan made a very nasty comment about 457 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 8: Vernon Maxwell's child, I wish Vernon Maxwell would have shattered 458 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 8: the guy's face bones. I don't believe that's an appropriate 459 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 8: thing to do. Run our test crazy as he can be. 460 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 8: I don't believe you should be taunting a guy like that. 461 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 8: I don't believe you paid for that, right people think 462 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 8: they do. I don't we disagree? Well, if you played 463 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 8: pro sports, you signed up for that. 464 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: No you didn't. 465 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 8: By the way, I also don't think the ups should 466 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 8: have to listen to you say the awful things you say. 467 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 8: And most of those guys are pretty hooked up. I 468 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 8: like to see a couple of them come up in 469 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 8: the stands and show a guy you wouldn't want somebody 470 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 8: talking to your brother, sister, father, mother that way? What 471 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 8: makes you think you? Oh, but I'm a big fan, 472 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 8: you know, I get really into the game. Who said 473 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 8: that's okay? Why don't you talk to politicians that way? 474 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 8: Try that with a politician, See how fast it turns 475 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 8: on you. But the other thing is the racial side. 476 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 8: They accuse him of saying the in word, and he didn't. 477 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 8: So the part that bothers me about all of this 478 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 8: is they're arguing, so, first of it's a false claim 479 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 8: of the in word, But how'd the in word get 480 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 8: to be so powerful? How is it worse to insult 481 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 8: a black person than anybody else? That doesn't make any sense, 482 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 8: But everybody thinks that's okay, that's dumb, and you've taught 483 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 8: black people that they should be so offended by it, 484 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 8: and that's why they run around using it. Is just 485 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 8: it is just sapid of any value. The whole concept 486 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 8: of this in word, inWORD inward is so stupid. It's 487 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 8: a sign of a stupid culture that we spend so 488 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 8: much time on the damn thing, and then when you 489 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 8: make it the thing that you can't say, you make 490 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 8: people want to say it. 491 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 3: It's just so stupid. 492 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 8: The whole thing is so stupid. It reminds me that 493 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 8: John Mulaney bit. 494 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 14: It's wrong to make fun of people, you know, but 495 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 14: it's so fun sometimes. I've written for some TV shows, 496 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 14: and you know, on a major TV show, you have 497 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 14: to be careful about what you say about people because 498 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 14: a lot of people can get offended. 499 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: Or so it has been explained to me. I was once. 500 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. 501 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 14: I was writing for an awards show once and I 502 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 14: got into some trouble. I wrote a joke for this 503 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 14: awards show that had the word midget in it, and 504 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 14: someone from the network came down to our offices and 505 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 14: he said to me, hey, you can't put the word 506 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 14: midget on TV. And I said, I sure would like to, 507 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 14: and he said, no, midget is as bad as the 508 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 14: N word. First off, no, no it's not. Do you 509 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 14: know how I know it's not, I said to him, 510 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 14: is because we're saying the word midget and we're not 511 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 14: even saying what the N word is. If you're comparing 512 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 14: the badness of two words and you won't even say 513 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 14: one of them, that's the worst word. Also, I don't 514 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 14: mean the gloss over, but like little people have been 515 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 14: through in this country, but you cannot compare the plight 516 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 14: of midgets to African Americans. 517 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: That is outrageous. 518 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 14: Midgets were never enslaved, unless you count the walka factory. 519 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: So we get into this argument. We're going back and forth. 520 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 14: He goes, you can't put that word on TV, and 521 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 14: I said I want to, and he goes, if you 522 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 14: put that word on TV there could be a protest 523 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 14: of midgets on this building, and I said, promise me. 524 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: Alice has saved good thank you, and good night.