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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the trade Psudonami has begun.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in Los Angeles with a couple

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Speaker 1: of friends, and I'm not next to Olly Connolly is

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Speaker 1: in Manchester. Patrick Claybond is actually in the Red Zone

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Speaker 1: studio right now in Inglewood, California, and he is telling

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Speaker 1: me it's a terrible idea to tape from there because

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Speaker 1: a tour just walked in as we started taping. Are

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Speaker 1: they still You're gonna have to unmute here for a second, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: Are they still, you know, conducting the tour?

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Speaker 2: As I throw it to you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Greg, I can't confirm that. Always good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna mute Patrick again. We're going to assume

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Speaker 1: that they don't stay in there, just showing the different

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Speaker 1: spots where you know, Scott Hansen Spittle hit the ground

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Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes, and that we can get Patrick

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Speaker 1: into the show.

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Speaker 2: But I mentioned the trade tsunami.

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Speaker 1: Ali, you know, we're't sure if we're doing a show today,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, look, the regular season is the next

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Speaker 1: two weeks. In the next two weeks, we're gonna basically

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Speaker 1: get all the news that we end up talking about

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Speaker 1: and reanalyzing for the next six months, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: things are gonna start happening, and we got some trades,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna ask some big questions about this offseason,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about the trades and the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans delivered for us.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing post Combine?

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Speaker 4: By the way, I'm doing good post Combine, still digging

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Speaker 4: through the minds of these draft prospects. And I peeked

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Speaker 4: my head above the power pit for like ten minutes

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Speaker 4: and trades going off all over the police.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I just expect like a slow, steady drumbeat

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Speaker 1: of news all up until next Sunday when we just

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Speaker 1: start going daily. We're going to be live with a

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Speaker 1: lot of shows. Excited to tell you about all our

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Speaker 1: plans for that. But let's talk about those Texans trades

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Speaker 1: right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: So two deals.

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Speaker 1: David Montgomery is going from the Detroit Lions to the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans. The Houston Texans also send Titus Howard to

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Speaker 1: the Browns. Titus Howard the offensive lineman who's played guard,

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Speaker 1: who's played right tackle. We'll take these two moves separately,

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Speaker 1: but I did want to just say kind of there

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Speaker 1: are two Texans moves.

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Speaker 2: Now, the David Montgomery trade terms.

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Speaker 1: The Lions get a fourth, a late fourth, a seventh,

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Speaker 1: and strut j Just Scruggs, who was a second round

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Speaker 1: pick three years ago. I don't know if he was

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Speaker 1: a lock to make the Texans, der if he's totally

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Speaker 1: a lock to make the Detroit Lions, who he's now

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Speaker 1: traded to. I'm gonna take the risk and throw this

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Speaker 1: to Patrick Claybahn and hope that the tour is over.

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Speaker 1: Are they still in the room, because when this trade happened,

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Speaker 1: Patrick my Son celebrated a Texans fan like they and

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Speaker 1: a huge David Montgomery fan like they just won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He ran around, he screamed and yelled, did

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Speaker 1: you have as much enthusiasm? Do you think it'll help

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Speaker 1: the Texans that much?

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Speaker 5: Yes, confirmed as I unmuted, and yes, Sarah Rale's are

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Speaker 5: you know esteemed director was giving a tour because everybody's got,

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Speaker 5: you know, multiple facets here, everybody does multiple things. And

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Speaker 5: they came through, they got out, they got out pucket clean.

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Speaker 1: I mean the NFL like we don't make enough money

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Speaker 1: on these deals. It's the tour money that actually really

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Speaker 1: locks it in. I guess that's maybe going straight to

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Speaker 1: so far if we really broke it down. But what

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Speaker 1: do you think about this? I thought it was a

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Speaker 3: It's a lot for David Montgomery. David Montgomery's a good

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Speaker 5: I wanted to see him in a nice landing spot

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Speaker 5: where we're thinking about the Houston Texans, because initially the

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Speaker 5: that's interesting because we fought and we scratched and clawed

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Speaker 5: of normal on the offensive line, and Titus Howard was

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Speaker 5: a part of that at multiple positions. He missed two

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Speaker 5: like what is the ad now going to be upfront

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Speaker 5: to facilitate David Montgomery playing well for the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's bizarre. So Titus Howard is going to

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Speaker 2: Then thirty minutes later we.

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Speaker 1: Find out actually, David Montgomery's going to go for more

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Speaker 1: usually because a team out there in the wilderness saw

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Speaker 1: the deal going down and contacts the team and says, actually,

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Speaker 1: we could do better than that for you, and then

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Speaker 1: the trade terms happen.

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Speaker 2: I think that is what happened here.

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Speaker 1: Who knows who that team you know stepping in was,

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Speaker 1: they helped to solve their running back problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very strange for the Texans. I think the second

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Speaker 4: It's just it seems like they are really comfortable each

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Speaker 4: off season just completely resetting the old line and thinking

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Speaker 4: that concerning even just going insane. We're going to trade

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Speaker 4: some like legit assets, not huge assets, but legit assets

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Speaker 4: for David Montgomery at twenty nine with fifteen hundred carries

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Speaker 4: in his career. Oh and by the way, we've stripped

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Speaker 4: there in the wilderness that you're talking about, Greg are

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Speaker 4: probably teams who feel they are a complementary back, a

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Speaker 4: from maybe middling to open level of offense to push

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Speaker 4: him to the next tier. I would guess that's just

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Speaker 4: not where the Texans are at. They don't have the

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Speaker 4: foundational pieces even really in place, I think to maximize Montgomery,

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Speaker 1: Wow, but you need to I just was hoping that

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Speaker 1: it would be like Kenneth Walker in Woody Marx or

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Speaker 1: little rejuvenated David Montgomery. I actually thought he looked pretty

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the contract's actually a plus. He's making six

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Speaker 2: Just I just wanted a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But David Montgomery proved me wrong many years ago when

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Speaker 1: I when I questioned the fact that him and Gibbs

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Speaker 2: And they proved to be like the best one two

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Speaker 1: I do like, just from a fantasy angle too, Patrick

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Speaker 1: that like when Dan Campbell took over play calling, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.

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Speaker 5: The question is do do you want to give Jamiir

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Speaker 5: you know, Jamiirk has has that opportunity to get those breaks,

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Speaker 5: you hope the Lions aren't saying, well, now that we

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Speaker 5: grind him into pace. That's not what I want to say,

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Speaker 5: because I want obviously the single fantasy season, right, we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tricky too, I do. I just want to

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Speaker 1: see what's behind door number two. It just feels like

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Speaker 1: as our friend Steve Palizolo speculated, like, is it Trent

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Speaker 2: Like all of these moves at this.

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Speaker 1: Time of year, you kind of have to wait to see,

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Speaker 1: supposedly it's a three year, sixty million dollar extension twenty

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Speaker 1: Like how much of that is guaranteed? Most likely it's

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Speaker 1: without knowing the details, we don't know. But we went

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Speaker 2: Let's go Browns.

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Speaker 4: The money will be interesting, I think because they put

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Speaker 4: He can fill multiple spots. That's I think the beauty

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Speaker 4: And I think it's just a dependable one on one player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes with these running backs too, you get a

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Speaker 1: little pop, you're in a new spot. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he wasn't like doing his best for Detroit, but it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if we see like the very best

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Speaker 1: of David Montgomery for one more season, like a James

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Speaker 1: in the long run. All right, let's move on. Juwan

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Speaker 1: Taylor is an ex Kansas City chief. We thought that

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Speaker 1: this was gonna happen. They could save twenty million dollars

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Speaker 1: we asked some big questions, Ali, the Bengals resigned Dalton

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have any just in

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I like Kenneth Walker to the Giants. I think

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Speaker 5: I think he's been able to He's shown that he

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Speaker 3: He tries to hit these home runs.

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Speaker 5: Well, he stepped to the plate and he hit him

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Speaker 5: to have a lot of readoption. Well, yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: I think that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 3: So I think we will see Dart run.

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Speaker 5: How much they are going to do it and can

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Speaker 4: I would really like to see ken Walker with the charges.

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Speaker 4: I think that would be maybe the most exciting spot

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Speaker 4: creative stuff. As Patrick mentioned, he does leave some stuff

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Speaker 4: bet on ken Walker bring a real jolt of electricity

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Speaker 1: Yeah, top my top one O one selections have gotten

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Speaker 2: Teams are going to agree.

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Speaker 1: Even if he's not a complete player, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's from the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: So if he leaves and they cut Makai Beckton, they

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Speaker 1: I could see them going for Kenneth Walker, And even

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Speaker 1: just absolutely I don't want for Kenneth Walker, but I

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Speaker 2: In New Orleans. Washington fascinates me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who do you like out of those

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Speaker 3: I think Washington sounds good.

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Speaker 3: That's the most readily accessible thing in my mind. And

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Speaker 3: But that that could be fun. It's okay to feel

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Speaker 2: Okay, that that would be fun. That would be fun.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know. I hate the fact that it

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Speaker 1: Our big questions post combine is this can be almost anything,

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Speaker 1: good free agents out there. Ali, what is your first

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Speaker 4: My number one is how will the Chiefs replenish their offense,

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Speaker 4: both in maybe trying to find another rotational piece along

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Speaker 4: think that they're in this really unusual respo for a

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Speaker 4: short list of Jeremiah Love whether he goes early or not,

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Speaker 2: Of the ball. I love that, but I hate that.

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Speaker 1: You know, free agency comes first, so it's kind of

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Speaker 2: And yet man, they have so many needs. I think

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Speaker 1: They have some really great players too, like outside of

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Speaker 1: And they have so many of my top one to

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Speaker 1: just cut Jewan Taylor, which I think made sense, but

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Speaker 2: In the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And what makes that considerably harder is we expect

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Speaker 3: To be that that version of Patrick.

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Speaker 5: if it's if it's not love, like what are they

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Speaker 3: So there has to be some sort of love's.

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Speaker 2: Not getting past the Saints. I don't think, but I

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Speaker 1: I guess you don't know, though you're right, it's a

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Speaker 1: because it feels like tell me if I'm wrong, Ali,

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Speaker 1: But it feels like I don't know, there's a there's

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Speaker 4: No, that's right, there's like a really like ballooned middle

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Speaker 4: particularly when you get the best players being able to

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Speaker 4: consider the non premium positions and elite just can't help

441
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Speaker 4: themselves because they consider off ball linebacker or move defensive

442
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Speaker 4: piece of non premium as they pass on Kyle Hamilton

443
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Speaker 4: and Brian Branch and on and on down the list

444
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Speaker 4: you go. So if styles and of our RecA going

445
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Speaker 4: to go as early as we expect, then yeah, and

446
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Speaker 4: the two tackles, one of the top tackles is probably

447
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Speaker 4: going to go in there. Because the league can't help itself,

448
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 4: you suddenly will start getting to will the Chiefs have

449
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Speaker 4: a cracker either love or Sidik. But yeah, you're right,

450
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Speaker 4: I think from sixteen to forty four it's pretty much

451
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Speaker 4: a wash. There's a lot of like rotational pass rushes,

452
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Speaker 4: do we love them? Don't we love them? Receivers who

453
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Speaker 4: fit certain body types and certain skill sets. So it's

454
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Speaker 4: kind of I have behold a bipositional tip for a

455
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Speaker 4: good round and a half.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's somebody, somebody's there, Like you mentioned that, the

457
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Speaker 5: litany of needs and just how it can imback Kansas City,

458
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Speaker 5: somebody's gonna be there at nine. They could conceivable could

459
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Speaker 5: just go BPA, which is what everybody you know in

460
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Speaker 5: theory should be doing. But they really can make a case.

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Speaker 4: For they could do that Patrick can I agree on

462
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Speaker 4: the needs, but wouldn't you if you're in the aposition,

463
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Speaker 4: just say we have to chase blue chip at premium position.

464
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Speaker 4: I know I just made fun of premium positions, but

465
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Speaker 4: how often are they going to be in a position

466
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Speaker 4: to draft someone if he's there, someone like David Bailey

467
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Speaker 4: with that level of first step quickness. I really would

468
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Speaker 4: if I was them to circle like four positions and say,

469
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Speaker 4: let's just go shoot for the moon. We're not going

470
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Speaker 4: to be here very often. We can go into free

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Speaker 4: ty to find, you know, volatile cornerbacks who may have

472
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Speaker 4: a career year with us for one year, then we

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Speaker 4: move on from the following year. That's how I think

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Speaker 4: I would approach if I was there.

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Speaker 5: They've got the blue tip player at the premium position,

476
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Speaker 5: that's true, you're good in that capacity. I just there's

477
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of talent that they're going to lose

478
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Speaker 5: here in the next three to four years, where like

479
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 5: folks on position seems like hustling backwards.

480
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Speaker 1: And they got a premium player we think at a

481
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Speaker 1: premium position at the end of the first round last year,

482
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Speaker 1: and in Josh Simmons, who you know, they are going

483
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Speaker 1: to feel great about.

484
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Speaker 2: Moving forward quickly? Who's the quarterback you want?

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Speaker 1: Though, because of all these chiefs questions we just brought up,

486
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Speaker 1: like who is starting for them week one hasn't even

487
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Speaker 1: come up. I have now settled on I want it

488
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Speaker 1: to be Kirk's landing spot. I don't know if that's

489
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Speaker 1: gonna work out. It's it seems insane, but I think

490
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Speaker 1: that's like a perfect like, actually, Kirk, go win you

491
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Speaker 1: some games for four or five weeks and then he's

492
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Speaker 1: just like having fun.

493
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Speaker 2: As Patrick Mahomes' backup. I don't know if you're going

494
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Speaker 2: to do better than that.

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Speaker 4: I think it has to be Malcus Mariota. I think

496
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Speaker 4: he's exactly what they want and will be efficient and

497
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Speaker 4: stable enough and you may not win you the game,

498
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Speaker 4: but he's not gonna throw the game away for you.

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Speaker 4: And Cook probably I think has like two throzen him

500
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Speaker 4: to maybe one we actually get you the game that

501
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Speaker 4: you don't expect to get, but not much more than

502
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Speaker 4: I think Cook's gonna want to have a real shit

503
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Speaker 4: ought to be a start to someone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a real strike to my theory that Marcus

505
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Speaker 5: Mariota is actually Alex Smith in a Silicon mask where

506
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Speaker 5: it would just it makes too much sense for that.

507
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Speaker 5: But I've been saying Kyler Murray for months now, you know,

508
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Speaker 5: just in the capacity of, yeah, there may be more

509
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Speaker 5: money somewhere else, but Kyler could just you know, throw

510
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Speaker 5: up a middle finger to the establishment and play play

511
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Speaker 5: for the empire.

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Speaker 2: That would be incredible. All right, Patrick, your first big

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Speaker 2: question here.

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Speaker 5: So first big question looking through playoff teams and near

515
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Speaker 5: playoff teams, trying to divide them up into who is

516
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Speaker 5: simply trying to maintain like the Seattle Seahawks where they're

517
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Speaker 5: you know, facing big departures at cornerback and wide receiver,

518
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Speaker 5: potentially you know, the Rams trying.

519
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Speaker 3: To just keep on to this last few years.

520
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Speaker 5: Or however long it's going to be a Matthew Stafford,

521
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Speaker 5: and you kind of try to put the Eagles there,

522
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Speaker 5: knowing their capacity to do so. And then the teams

523
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Speaker 5: that are pushing, pushing towards building off of what they accomplished,

524
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Speaker 5: like the Chicago Bears, the Patriots, the forty nine ers,

525
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Speaker 5: potentially the Chargers having that opportunity. And then I got

526
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Speaker 5: to the Buffalo Bills and I looked at they're you know,

527
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Speaker 5: drafting at twenty six. The cap space an issue. They

528
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Speaker 5: do have change in the area, but it's a part

529
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Speaker 5: of the previous regime. Are the Buffalo Bills maintaining or

530
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Speaker 5: are they pushing right now?

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Speaker 1: They're I think they're they're pushing why while remodeling, which

532
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Speaker 1: is it's not impossible to do. But I think the

533
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Speaker 1: defense is going to change dramatically and they don't have

534
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Speaker 1: as much flexibility, I don't think as they want. It'll

535
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Speaker 1: be interesting to see, like how they create cap space

536
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Speaker 1: because they have negative cap space right now, but how

537
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Speaker 1: can you have to look at it as a two

538
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Speaker 1: to three year process. But maybe they're in a little

539
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Speaker 1: bit of a spot where the Rams and forty nine

540
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Speaker 1: ers worse. For instance, going into the Rams going into

541
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Speaker 1: twenty three are the forty nine ers going into lat

542
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Speaker 1: LST season, where like, yeah, it feels like it's a

543
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Speaker 1: step back, but it really like shouldn't be.

544
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Speaker 2: When you have Josh Allen.

545
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Speaker 1: If you can make enough moves around the margins this year,

546
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Speaker 1: you can be creative. They're gonna have to hit on

547
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Speaker 1: a lot of like mid tier guys that are gonna

548
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Speaker 1: have big roles for them. So Brandon Bean like he

549
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Speaker 1: kept that job Ali and like it is probably the

550
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Speaker 1: most challenging offseason that he's ever had.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it is a two to three

552
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Speaker 4: year process. When you have Josh Allen, you either have

553
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Speaker 4: a parade or you failed. I mean, that's just the

554
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Speaker 4: reality of the world they live in. And it's what's

555
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Speaker 4: tricky I think for being particularly is they need to

556
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Speaker 4: completely remodel the defense in terms of the kind of

557
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Speaker 4: archetypes of players they have for the new scheme that

558
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Speaker 4: they're going to run. And then on offense, they still

559
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Speaker 4: have to do the cosmetic surgery, figure out which lineman

560
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Speaker 4: they're bringing back while they're doing good receiver all that

561
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Speaker 4: kind of stuff, So that there's just more on the

562
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Speaker 4: plate than I think you would expect. As Patrick said,

563
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Speaker 4: when you walking with starting healthy in Week one, one

564
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Speaker 4: of the two best quarterbacks in the NFL and feeling

565
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Speaker 4: like we have maybe twelve to fifty moves we have

566
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Speaker 4: to nail to really feel good about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard because they have a ton of

568
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Speaker 1: free agents that I think they're gonna say goodbye to

569
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Speaker 1: that have been around there for a while, like guys

570
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Speaker 1: like Matt mllano, Guys they brought back to like Gerdevius

571
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Speaker 1: White and Jordan Poyer, which I don't think will hurt

572
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Speaker 1: as much. Joey Bosa, I don't think is gonna be

573
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Speaker 1: back there, and you're hearing like, Okay, maybe they might

574
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Speaker 1: be in the Shahed sweep stakes, or they might get

575
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Speaker 1: in on some of these receivers. And it does just

576
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Speaker 1: feel like a situation where the salary cap is somewhat real,

577
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Speaker 1: not in the sense that they can't it couldn't figure

578
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Speaker 1: it out to fit everyone in, but that there's just

579
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Speaker 1: so many more teams with more resources that are gonna

580
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Speaker 1: go over the top for these premium pass catchers or

581
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Speaker 1: pass rushers, where like, I don't see it when when

582
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Speaker 1: people are trying to think like maybe they're at Trey

583
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: Hendricksons team, like, I don't think they're gonna get have

584
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Speaker 1: a chance to go that big.

585
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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna have to look at ether a

586
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Speaker 4: guy on a rookie contract still, whether it's like a

587
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Speaker 4: Brian Thomas Stutiny just blows someone out the wall, that's

588
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Speaker 4: go and do that. Oh you try and chase as

589
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: stressed asset and hope it's improved. Where it's Jordannadis and

590
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 4: someone like that can you steal someone away cheaply? You

591
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: put the way Josh Allen, everyone has a party, but

592
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: there's just a lot of work to do without much maneuverability.

593
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Speaker 5: And in terms of making the maneuvers, because we've seen

594
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Speaker 5: if you want to go like with a parallel with

595
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Speaker 5: Adam Peters coming from the West coast to the East coast,

596
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Speaker 5: and then you saw the sequence of events that led

597
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Speaker 5: to forty nine ers coming to Washington. Where you wonder,

598
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 5: like these partnerships are operating across the league, like we

599
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 5: have tree proliferation as well as like these front office relationships,

600
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Speaker 5: where where is where's that coming?

601
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Speaker 3: For Brandon Bean?

602
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Speaker 2: Carolina has been? Where it has been coming?

603
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Speaker 3: Is it still?

604
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know.

605
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Speaker 5: There's been so much turnover now, like where is the

606
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 5: influx of this of this capacity of needs before free

607
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 5: agency starts? Like when do these conversations and how that

608
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 5: they happen? And you start to wonder like, oh no,

609
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: Like this feels like it's going in a difficult spot,

610
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Speaker 5: even more difficult than I initially thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm such a whim because we were been pretty

612
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: hard on Brandon Bean in this podcast, but then we

613
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Speaker 1: have him on as a guest and it's all just

614
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: you know, playing footsy. Meanwhile, I got Eric probably in

615
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: the background wondering, like you can you ask him why

616
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: this man has helped to ruin my my January is

617
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Speaker 1: the last handful of years. He is really up against it.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break on the other side. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby quickly, that's a big question for me.

620
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about where his market maybe.

621
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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, I mentioned Max Crosby the fact

622
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Speaker 1: that trade terms got out there to Pro Football talk

623
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Speaker 1: in terms of them wanting to first at a player.

624
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Speaker 1: The more I thought about, the more I thought, okay,

625
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 1: well that's a starting point and that's what that's what

626
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Speaker 1: shook reminded me. On Sunday Night's podcast, and that's an

627
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Speaker 1: indication of a willingness to actually trade. Then on Monday

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Speaker 1: More Learning, Albert Breer throws out casually that he thinks

629
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Speaker 1: this deal can and it sounded like probably will happen.

630
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Speaker 1: He thinks it could happen this week. That it's very

631
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Speaker 1: sensitive all around because Max Crosby doesn't want to be

632
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Speaker 1: seen to be wanting out. Mark Davis doesn't want to

633
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Speaker 1: be seen to wanting to trade their best player. There

634
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: actually is a lot of mutual I think appreciation and land.

635
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Speaker 1: If he stays there, it's not the end of the world,

636
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Speaker 1: but in terms of their team build and where he's

637
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Speaker 1: at in his age, it might make sense and he

638
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: could join a team that's more ready to win. And

639
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: then Breer has a list of spicy teams that are

640
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: monitoring the situation, that are engaging with the situation. I

641
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: love this list. The Dallas Cowboys, the Chicago Bears, the

642
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, the Buffalo Bills, the Patriots, the Eagles, and

643
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Speaker 1: the Rams. The last one really stuck stuck out to

644
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: me as like man, I could see the Rams doing

645
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: something like this for the right price.

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Speaker 2: Where are you at, Ali?

647
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Speaker 1: In terms of thinking, if Crasby would get traded and

648
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Speaker 1: who strikes your fancy out of that list, he is going.

649
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Speaker 4: To get traded. The price I had heard was a first,

650
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Speaker 4: a third and a quality player, And I think the

651
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: books are sitting right there with an off roll first,

652
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Speaker 4: a third on one of either Luke Gadeki or Elijah Kantzi,

653
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: which will I think just cross the threshold for it

654
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Speaker 4: to be a third. It is a lot, but trades

655
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Speaker 4: hut if you wanted to acquire a player like Max

656
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Speaker 4: Crosby right at the fringe of his prime, You've got

657
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Speaker 4: to go and give up some assets that you don't

658
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 4: really want to do. It's got to hurt you too,

659
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 4: So I think that's kind of the asking price. And

660
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: if you look at the other teams outside the Rams

661
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 4: who have kind of that spare first round pick, they

662
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been necessarily expecting to have in that range.

663
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: It's hard to find a comparative player to someone like

664
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: a Godeci and Cancy at that age with that talent,

665
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: where then it does become two ones and a three,

666
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: And that just feels really rich for a bunch of

667
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: teams on that list, particularly someone like Thets. You've had

668
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: so many misses in the draft. The uscon bring in

669
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 4: over expensive veteran and give up that kind of future capital.

670
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: I think so the Books to me feels like the

671
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: easiest lending spot for everyone involved.

672
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: There's also the spy tech connection with the Bucks, and

673
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Patrick was just talking about it with the Bills and

674
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: that that is how a lot of deals do get done.

675
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: I think you're right.

676
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: The Bills to me seem like such a long shot

677
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: for because of the reasons we just talked about. The

678
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Patriots and Eagles actually don't make sense to me for

679
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: where they're at in terms of, you know, wanting to

680
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: give up all those picks and in the money, the

681
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: Bears are a little up against it. It's not what

682
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens typically do, although I think it would be fun.

683
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: The Cowboys actually, of those teams in the Rams probably

684
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: make the most sense in terms of the ones that

685
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: the Brier mentioned. But you made a convincing case. And

686
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: as as much as Patrick like I appreciated Max Crosby

687
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: making like the Monday Night Week fourteen like Raiders recap

688
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: that they got in like more watchable and more like

689
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: I I kind of want him in.

690
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: A better and a better home and a better on

691
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: a better team.

692
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

693
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: And I think despite you know, the the the alleged

694
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 5: you know, protesting from from Max Crosby, I think he

695
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: would like to be in a place where he's he's

696
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 5: able to win.

697
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: You know, you look at.

698
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 5: Some of these players, uh, and the marketing is a

699
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 5: big part of it, and you have to market yourself

700
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 5: as as a guy who you know is working harder.

701
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Max Crosby is an incredible athlete.

702
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: He's one of the more gifted athletes in the NFL,

703
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: and you know, they treat a lot of people will

704
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 5: attribute the volume of plays because there was a couple

705
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: of year span there where he just never came off

706
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 5: the field.

707
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: You know, it became.

708
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 5: Essentially worthless to continue that, uh, in a in a

709
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: lost season in Las Vegas. But you just don't do

710
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: the things that Max Crosby can do with without being

711
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: incredibly gifted.

712
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: But you know, to to keep that up, to keep

713
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: up the appearances.

714
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 5: It's you know, you know, I just want to control

715
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: what I could control and come in here and and

716
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: lunch pail. These conversations about a trader are also going

717
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 5: to involve a deal, and so the trade partner to

718
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 5: me has to be a team that can make that

719
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 5: that LU could have offered long term, because like trading

720
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: for Max Crosby a first plus on some kind of

721
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: win now thing. Yeah, it may be an interesting idea

722
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 5: for Max, but.

723
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't like that deal for the Bucks.

724
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Getticky or Chancey are good players. Uh, I'd

725
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: feel a little uncomfortable about two picks, two pretty good picks,

726
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: especially a first and a good player. And if you

727
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: got me to like a second, a third and one

728
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: of those like but it's a lot, but I know,

729
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna cost a lot. I also know

730
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: Max Crosby is like ridiculously good.

731
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pretty dominant, And I think the books are

732
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: particularly in a strange window in which this could be

733
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: the final year for everyone in town, and so there's

734
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: a real pressure they have been desperate for pastor as

735
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: she help of just can we find a one on

736
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: one winner. I think desperation breeds changing your asking price

737
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: from a second and a third two. Let's just do

738
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: the one and bleep it and go all in. At

739
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 4: least we'll line up with Max Crosby to open week one.

740
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 4: And I think losing goodeck you, I think is one

741
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: of the better right tacks league would be a silly

742
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: move to make. But once you start feeling that desperation,

743
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: you feel like you can internally develop talent, then you

744
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: could maybe talk yourself into it. And you've got spy tech,

745
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: your buddy, you're having this. You're on the phone, and

746
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 4: he sounds convincing you of it. It's good for everyone, buddy,

747
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: Let's get this thing done. I could see why Jason

748
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: Light would would do it that maybe wake up with

749
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 4: a hangover with a couple of regrets the next day.

750
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 5: Obviously there's there's tiers between, but I think if you

751
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 5: can try to consider like is they're a cave On

752
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 5: Thibodeau type option for you, Like that allows you to

753
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: improve your pass rush in certain capacity without limiting other

754
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 5: aspects of the team long term, maybe that makes a

755
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: little more sense.

756
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: That would be fun. And they also have to consider

757
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: the Steven factor.

758
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: A lot of people who listen to NFL daily are

759
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: saying that at John Spytech the GM's mentioning of my

760
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: friend slash trainer Steven is becoming the best annual bit

761
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: on the show. And I think trading Max Crosby would

762
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: be tough for the Raider Nation and for Steven out there.

763
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: All right, Ali, all right, we should pick up the pace,

764
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: get through as many questions as we can.

765
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: What do you got?

766
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: What is the Vikings planet?

767
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Quote to back?

768
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: Do we have any ideas? Does the stuff not like

769
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy. Are they going to go into freeency? Is

770
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: it Cook? Is it Gino? Is it Kyl or is

771
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: it to it? They're gonna call Derek kuh They're gonna

772
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: trade for a ton of McKee. What is the plan?

773
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: I am.

774
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: I am all in on the Gino resurrection two point zero.

775
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Let's let's make this happen. But the only thing I

776
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: feel confident about in that entire question there is that

777
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: they do not believe in JJ McCarthy. Like I think

778
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: there is a greater chance that JJ McCarthy is not

779
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: on their roster in week one than there is that

780
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: he starts week one.

781
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: Do you think that's crazy?

782
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 5: It's it feels borderline excessive, Like I mean, not to

783
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: you know, jump back on the bills thing, but the

784
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: amount of conversation about you know, their you know, early

785
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 5: round receiver, earlier round receiver that wasn't panning out, and

786
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 5: he's like the most hated man from the front off

787
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 5: I like JJ McCarthy and the not so secret whisper

788
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 5: campaign against JJ McCarthy out of Minneapolis maybe even more

789
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 5: fervent than any conversation.

790
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's fair.

791
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying for him to start week one, I

792
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: think the injury, and an injury needs to happen for

793
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: the guy that they want to start week one, like

794
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: it's going to need to happen because I don't think

795
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: they are going to want JJ McCarthy, and then I

796
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: could absolutely see him going in the next week or

797
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: two in a trade, or if things are going well

798
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: enough in August that he goes in a trade.

799
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: In like in August, I think they have to be

800
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: the from runners for Anthony Richison, right, So you can't

801
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 4: move on from JJ McCarthy if you bring in Anthony Richton,

802
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 4: if you're concerned about the health and well being of

803
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 4: the guy you really want to consider starting come week one,

804
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: and that might be the most combustible quarterback room in

805
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: terms of.

806
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: Way which Richardson would be the backup in that scenario.

807
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 4: I think you would bring him in hoping we're going

808
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: to try and start Anthony Rickson. We think we can

809
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 4: tap into all the potential that's still pretty volatile JJ.

810
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: I agree with you on the dislike of JJ. I

811
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: think when your whole kind of philosophy from when you

812
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: wake up in the morning to go to sleep, as

813
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell does, is about attacking the middle of the

814
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: field in football and waste to kind of rip apart

815
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: the middle of the field shell. And you have a

816
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: quarterback in which by a week two you're saying, we

817
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: can't do this stuff. Let's remove everything from the playboat

818
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: that I've spent my lifetime building. I think it can

819
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: get pretty corrosive. Then there's the behind the scenes talk too,

820
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: So I agree with you that he's not going to start.

821
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: It's just what is the break point? Is it Kirk

822
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: on a cheap contract? Is it betting on Kyler where

823
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 4: you would have similar issues for building the offense? Did

824
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 4: you do with JJ McCarthy. I have a hard time

825
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: thinking they'll just completely bail on.

826
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: Him being on the roster.

827
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 5: I'm drawing a hard line at no matter what happens,

828
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 5: at at least nine years starting experience in the NFL

829
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 5: to play for Kevin O'Connell in the Minnesota Viking. It's like,

830
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 5: at this point, I don't want to see another like, oh,

831
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 5: they're investing in this quarterback because if you go from

832
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 5: McCarthy to Anthony Richardson and it could we could be

833
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 5: in a similar situation and now another like you know,

834
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 5: sacrificial GM is on the way out to you know,

835
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 5: become and went with the wrong guy.

836
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: Like could I could I at least interest you in

837
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: a package off Kirk plus Richardson steady hand get through

838
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: the first couple weeks, and then behind the scenes they've

839
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: been working with Anthony Richon and now hey comes the Renaissance.

840
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: It's got to be Vets.

841
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take that and make it Gino and

842
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. But yeah, I think Kirk, Yeah, they laid

843
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: it out, you know, Dan Graziano and Jeremy Fowler where

844
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: they they made it really sound like and I suspect

845
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: you can kind of get a feel of like, all right,

846
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: what's real, what's not. I suspect they got a line

847
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: and hear that they're tiers where Kyler and Gino is

848
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: Tier one for like the old guy, and then Tier

849
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: two were like was like Cousins and maybe Rogers if

850
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: for some reason he shut you know, shook looser, Flacco

851
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: even and Tier three is like Richardson. But in that scenario,

852
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: I think, like, yeah, I think they're getting rid of

853
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy because I don't think they could see Anthony

854
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Richardson as a potential starter. Because if you're gonna do that,

855
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: you're trying to you're trying to win. Now, all right,

856
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: let's let's keep asking questions. That was a great one though, Patrick,

857
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: You're up all right?

858
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 5: Is a released Kyler Murray scenario going to absolutely ruin

859
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 5: the market for Malik Willis and force Malik Willis to

860
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 5: go to a team that's actually good.

861
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: Well he's not getting paid what he should be.

862
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: Uh I, I don't buy it. I think that the

863
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: family guy thing with the there is anything in the box.

864
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 4: It could even be a boat or whatever applies to

865
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: Malik Willis that you can talk yourself into this untapped

866
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: franchise potential that Greg's spoken about.

867
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: Well.

868
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: With Kyler, I think teams will feel pretty complete on

869
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: who he is as a player, and it's kind of

870
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: where they're in that kind of development act that if

871
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 4: they want to maybe hang around, win nine games, maybe

872
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 4: squeak out a division and a bad division, they'll bring

873
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: Caler on board. But if the for the moon or

874
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: it's a rebuild the Vikings being a good example, if

875
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: it's the Dolphins or Coddles, these teams who in not

876
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 4: rebuild states, and you want to shoot for the moon

877
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: with Malik Willison, then figure the rest out later.

878
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: I think so.

879
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: On one hand, I feel like the regular season is

880
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: just like a sprint, literally two weeks removed from being

881
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl.

882
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: I was already in Indianapolis.

883
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: And now like most of free agency will be done,

884
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: what about ten days from now, like it'll basically be over.

885
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: And yet despite that short timeline, I feel like the

886
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: Malik willis like stock. I'm now a little worried, like

887
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: who is the team that's actually going to give him

888
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: the big money. I think he's going to have a

889
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: plenty good market. Patrick to kind of answer that question,

890
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: and I think he'll have a better market than Kyler.

891
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't surprise me either.

892
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: And you know, it doesn't matter to me that much

893
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: whether he gets thirty seven million dollars a year twenty

894
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: two million dollars a year. But he might settle in

895
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: like a little justin closer to somewhere between Justin Fields

896
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: and maybe Gino's contract of last year, and it might

897
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: be closer to the Fields portion, because I guess I'm

898
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: not if Miami isn't going big money wise on them,

899
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and maybe they're just staying quiet. But then I'm not

900
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: sure who Will Arizona is to me the most likely

901
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: and it makes the most sense to me. I don't know,

902
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: he's got to he's gotta be playing football this year.

903
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good that he's he's going to be

904
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: a Week one starter, which is all I really want

905
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: to see.

906
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, with the proliferation of the tree,

907
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: there's a lot of places where he could go. I

908
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 5: know we've talked about Kirk Cousins in one spot, Michael

909
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 5: Pennix Junior coming back from another injury.

910
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: You know, I think that would be a fun circumstance.

911
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: We're hearing Jimmy g as the potential starter for Mike

912
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: Lafleur in Arizona.

913
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: Can we discuss this? Greg?

914
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Why you can discuss whatever you want? I mean, Ali

915
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: just covered his face.

916
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 4: Lafleura hockey, Garoppolo brain trust leading you into Week one?

917
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 5: Because if if we've like that, if there are geno

918
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 5: skeptics out there, like significant geno skeptics, which with good reason,

919
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 5: because like a morose season in Las Vegas should be

920
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 5: deleterious to your long term viability, then are we forgetting

921
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 5: the Garoppolo experience where DeVante was screaming on the sideline

922
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 5: on Netflix that get them out of here before he's dead?

923
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I agree, and I've been heartened that, like in that

924
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: ESPN article that like, there's actually some time well people

925
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: thought Gino, which I agree with, was as terrible as

926
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: it was last year. The situation was so bad and

927
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: if you if you watched it, like he's turning thirty

928
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: six years old this year, but that I actually get

929
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: the feeling that Gino might be atop this sort of

930
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: reclamation project pile and might have a decent market if

931
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: they're assuming the Raiders do cut them and don't find

932
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: a trade for him.

933
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: I love Gino as much as anyone, maybe not as

934
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: much as you, dude, that that is such shameful, either

935
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: analysis or agent Tolk to pretend like last year was

936
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: not as bad as it was. He was awful lest season.

937
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 4: You couldn't see the field. He just threw the ball

938
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 4: up in Hope. I know he was worried about getting hit.

939
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 4: And I'm not a huge Kyler Murray Believa as maybe

940
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 4: as a breach started, but to not have Kyla, given

941
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: what he's capable of, ahead of GENA Smith, would just

942
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 4: be a dereliction of executive judy.

943
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: I think they're I think they're both going to be

944
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: starting week one, but I appreciate having a different viewpoint

945
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: because I think that's healthy on this show. The forty

946
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: nine ers are a team I just wanted to bring up,

947
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: like what's their big move they If I had to

948
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: rank like the most fascinating teams this offseason, they are

949
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: right near the top.

950
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: I just think they're.

951
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: They're always in the mix, but they've gotten close so

952
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: many times. John Lynch was reportedly close to retiring at

953
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: one point. They have a ton of cap space. They

954
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: also have Trent Williams, Fred Warner, and Nick Bosa kind

955
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: of nearer. You know, I'm not saying Fred Warners near

956
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: the end of his career, but these are highly paid

957
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: players who have had injuries, who have been out, and

958
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: it just feels like you have the two best goliaths

959
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: in your own division and like it's go time. This

960
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: is a team that's been ultra aggressive over the years,

961
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: and it's just a thought exercise of like, what's their

962
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: ultra aggressive move.

963
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: Could it be? Could it be Hendrickson.

964
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't think John Franklin Myers qualifies, but he's been

965
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: connected to them. I've seen that could be part of

966
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: a defensive line rebuild. Could they be a team that

967
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: gets into the receiver market because they really need a

968
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver, whether that's like moving up in the draft

969
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: or whether it's AJ Brown or DJ Moore. I'm just

970
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: kind of fascinated by a team that is absolutely sick

971
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: of not winning the Super Bowl essentially and feeling like, yeah,

972
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: like let's freaking go this year. Like what are the

973
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: forty nine ers going to do as their like big move.

974
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if either of you have any just

975
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: like grand ideas of what you see.

976
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, the one thing I would I would call the

977
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: Jets and now I try to talk them into the

978
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: thirty third pick for Mac Jones. Then I would take

979
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 4: that pick and I would package it all around and

980
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: I would call everyone for the best players in the NFL.

981
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: I would call about Max Crosby, which I think they're

982
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 4: in for. I would call about Jalen Waddle and find

983
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: out if the new infrastructure Miami is into Jalen Waddle.

984
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: I would call about Brian Thomas Jr. I think that's

985
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 4: the approach they should take, is if we're going to

986
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: go onto a two year timeline, essentially having Mac Jones

987
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: as a quality backup is awesome for us, But if

988
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: we can look at this market where it's Gino and

989
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: all these guys and teams talk themselves into the reclamation

990
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: of having seen Sam Donald Baker and Daniel Jones and

991
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 4: on down the line. What can we extract from Max

992
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 4: Jones to then turn into either Crosby or Brian Thomas

993
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: or a real blue chip player.

994
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, they just have to you know, obviously

995
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 5: getting healthy is going to do a lot for the

996
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 5: forty nineers, but they need to add depth at those

997
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 5: spots where they had the concerns. Clearly Max Crosby does

998
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: that in a certain capacity, But how long do they

999
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 5: want to push this this version, like this particular window

1000
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: of the Warner, the Bosa Trent you know, you know

1001
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 5: if Trent alects to maintain uh you know, residents in

1002
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 5: Santa Clara.

1003
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: You know how long are we you know, more year?

1004
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: They're all coming back, So uh yeah, let's go.

1005
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 5: So then yeah go, but not not to stop it

1006
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 5: at rookies in draft picks like Ali said, uh, swing

1007
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: for fences, like have ETN backing up CMC, like can't

1008
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 5: get out there.

1009
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: Like they could be a Mike Evans team, they could

1010
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: be a Jalen Phillips team. There was reporting from the

1011
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: athletic that maybe the mac Jones market wasn't you know

1012
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: what what they hoped for.

1013
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: To me, it doesn't.

1014
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: I don't think mac Jones is going to have much

1015
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: of a market, just because I don't think there's enough

1016
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: of a difference between him and these other guys that

1017
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: were talking about that will just be free, freely available.

1018
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 4: But if you're swinging so Kevin O'Connell rady likes Mike Jones,

1019
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 4: you could turn it into Jordan Edison, and then maybe

1020
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: you don't want to get involved with the off the

1021
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 4: field stiff after all the receivers as if you've just

1022
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: dealt with, but you could give it a swing. You

1023
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: talked about big swings, like let's just do let's build

1024
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: a package. You send us a fourth or fifth round back,

1025
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: you send us Addison. Maybe he's now the team by

1026
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 4: week six. But the swinging gig, Greg, you asked us

1027
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: for big swings.

1028
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, now, I appreciate that it would be delightful if

1029
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: they replaced the guy who did an instagram of like

1030
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: driving one hundred miles an hour past the stadium with

1031
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: another guy who's been arrested a couple of times for

1032
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: a drive.

1033
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 4: But you've added that with the signing of Mike Evans.

1034
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, it's like, well, this is just

1035
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: kind of a moonshot if it goes well or not.

1036
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wanted to point them out, especially just

1037
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: as like, watch this space more. I don't know if

1038
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: you guys hear the police sirens in my background, but

1039
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: I guess they think it was a bad question. Just

1040
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: watch this space. I think they're going to be one

1041
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,479
Speaker 1: of the main characters of the next couple of weeks.

1042
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure even who's up next. Let's go, Let's go, Ali.

1043
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: What is Trey Hendrickson's market. We've kind of talked about

1044
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: him in a couple of landing spots. The it feels

1045
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: like for a guy who was second in Defensive Player

1046
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: of the Year voting a year ago, it's not as

1047
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: though he's like the runaway favorite for a Monster contract.

1048
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: And it seems like the board is set where teams

1049
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: are going to try and trade for Max Crosby, or

1050
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: the teams who can't make that work are going to

1051
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 4: start looking at Trey Hendrickson or have to decide for

1052
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: one or the other. I wonder Greg, how you stack

1053
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 4: it up between trading multiple picks for Max Crosby versus

1054
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson, who on a person app basic at least

1055
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: the last two seasons has been a pretty close facsimile

1056
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 4: of what Crosby gives you. I think Crosby is a

1057
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 4: better all around player by a decent distance, but pure

1058
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 4: pass rush, get off and go, it's pretty close, and

1059
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 4: the contracts are probably gonna wind up being somewhat similar.

1060
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you won't even have to pay as

1061
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: much for Hendrickson in the end, like, not that much

1062
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, certainly not past the year two, maybe not

1063
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: even a fully guaranteed to your contract. I think because

1064
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: of his agent coming off of an injured year, it's

1065
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: got to be something like two for fifty, two for sixty,

1066
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: like it'll be plenty.

1067
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: He'll do well. It's not going to be like a

1068
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: long term deal.

1069
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: But I'd always rather do that, and I think there

1070
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: are enough intriguing pass rushers at the top of this market.

1071
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: I know a Dafe Oway is not nearly the same

1072
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: player boy Mafe and Jalen Phillips is somewhere in between,

1073
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: but I'd still rather do that than give up big pick.

1074
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: So I don't think his market's going to be like

1075
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: quite as good people are going to be blown away

1076
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: when some of these offensive linemen get as much money

1077
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: as Trey Hendrickson.

1078
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 5: I think the positional value gets it to a place

1079
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 5: where if it's Buffalo and they've maneuvered enough to have

1080
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 5: some space teams that miss out on Max Crosby, like,

1081
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 5: it's a good backup option to have Trey Hendrickson being

1082
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 5: able to get out there. And I think I think

1083
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 5: you're north easily north of twenty. You know, they do

1084
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 5: all kinds of matt you know, lies with the ap wise,

1085
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 5: but we can get up north of twenty.

1086
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: To me, I guess it's whether he's confined to the

1087
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: tier of like the contenders who want to try and

1088
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: get an A plus player at healthy, or it's more

1089
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: of the middle band guys like the Bears, who are

1090
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: happy to overpay because they think it can push them

1091
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: into a different tier. And it feels to me like

1092
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: the conversations mostly around those the Niners, the Bills, can

1093
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: they maneuver a cap space to the Patriots consider themselves

1094
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: a legit force. And it's more as Greg saying that

1095
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: that kind of two year, fully guaranteed deal effectively as

1096
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: opposed to the middle band teams trying to jump to

1097
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: another level, whereas the books who I consider a middle

1098
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: band side are looking around.

1099
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: At someone like a Crosby right, or you know, the

1100
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: Chargers are of this team that's kind of sitting out

1101
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: there that have so much cap space. The Seahawks actually

1102
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of cap space. More thinking good teams.

1103
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: Does he consider just taking the bag from like a

1104
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: team like the Titan too. I think are going to

1105
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: be spending a lot of money this offseason, Like there

1106
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: is a lot of a lot of cap space out there.

1107
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Speaker 2: All right, Patrick, you're up next.

1108
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Speaker 5: Okay, So going through the combine and checking backup on

1109
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 5: the guys that left off the screen Athletically, it's like,

1110
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 5: I gotta go watch the tape. I was charting ted

1111
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 5: Hurst and I just wrote ah with several exclamation points,

1112
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 5: where you have a six three and seven ace wide

1113
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 5: receiver with good hands, went down to mobile, excelled make

1114
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 5: great plays in practice. And then I'm watching the tape

1115
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 5: and it's Georgia State, so you're having to go through

1116
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 5: and try to find the players that he made plays against.

1117
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 5: I had to go all the way back to twenty

1118
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 5: twenty four when they played jmu. This is before D'Angelo

1119
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 5: Pond's transferred to Indiana where you would eventually win a

1120
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 5: national championship. He gets him in the corner of van

1121
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 5: zone and hands finishing after the catch. I'm all on board,

1122
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 5: and I just wonder with all of these receivers, you know,

1123
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: the value for free agents maybe kind of pulled back

1124
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 5: with all these guys you can get in the second

1125
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 5: and third round. So I feel like, you know, between

1126
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 5: Hurst being a really good player that could be going

1127
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 5: on a really good team and these free agent wide receivers,

1128
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 5: I think somebody is going to get some a real

1129
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 5: game changer at receiver either way.

1130
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a more shallow free agent

1131
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: receiver crop than normal. There's a few fun names at

1132
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: the top, and it falls off pretty hard. And whereas

1133
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: like the draft looks deeper in terms of rounds two

1134
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: and three guys. Yeah, big picture. Did what did you think,

1135
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: Alie about Hurst or the receivers? And we're kind of

1136
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: wrapping up here, so maybe any any players will wrap

1137
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: kind of with a discussion because I thought about this too,

1138
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: that that you thought really helped their draft stock over

1139
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 1: the last few days.

1140
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 4: Well, I love Ted Hurst, I'm so glad he's getting

1141
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 4: a shout out the silly and the process on NFL Daily.

1142
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: It's a great job by Patrick. I mean talk about size, speed, wait,

1143
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 4: everything vertical threat really smooth, not just an explosive up

1144
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 4: and down gully. The Tennessee people who get spat out

1145
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 4: every year into the draft. So I think he's gonna

1146
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 4: go far early than he's currently being projected. Guys who

1147
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: really help themselves. I think Dylan Fieneman and I know

1148
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 4: it's kind of still at the top end of the board.

1149
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: I think there's a chance here based on the safety

1150
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: class where we end up getting four guys going in

1151
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: the first round, more some of the hybrid slot safety

1152
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: types a bit in the Brian branch mold. But I

1153
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 4: think Fimon is gonna wind up going in the top fifteen,

1154
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: maybe even as high as ten. Gets tricky. That's so

1155
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 4: many of the pre im edge defenders are up there,

1156
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 4: and I think teams are jostling with how they actually

1157
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 4: see those guys. Where guy who's won on certain people's board,

1158
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 4: whether it's Bane or Bailey, are actually seventh on other

1159
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 4: teams board based on what they're looking for at the position,

1160
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: whereas it's pretty calcified. The downs is a start, and

1161
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: are we willing to kind of look past our prior

1162
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 4: to just go and take a great player as early

1163
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 4: as we can in the draft. And I think Men

1164
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: has a chance to be pretty special too. So those

1165
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: two I think will go really early. Then the Stokes

1166
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: at Arizona, who I think has a chance to be

1167
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 4: really great and he could sneak into the first round.

1168
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 4: And there's McNeil Warrant, a Toledo who didn't quite test

1169
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: as well I think people are expecting, but he's gonna

1170
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: have a chance to go in the fringe of round

1171
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: one two.

1172
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny where would Nicky men Worry go

1173
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: in this draft? Because of the nick Dame and Worry effect,

1174
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's made people want

1175
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: they're like, oh shoot, we shouldn't have let him go

1176
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: as far. And I know there were some, you know,

1177
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: questions about his college tape. But it's funny that he

1178
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: played so well that if he was in this draft, like,

1179
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: is he a better prospect than the Enemen? I don't know,

1180
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: like you would think right, or they're they're in the

1181
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: same ballpark.

1182
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 5: Well you can get into that range where I think

1183
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: the ability to put force into the ground and move

1184
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 5: at two oh five versus two fifteen, Like those ten

1185
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 5: pounds around that that two hundred pounds like those are

1186
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 5: a significant difference where you kind of have I Man

1187
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 5: Worry and Kyle Hamilton in this particular class of player

1188
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 5: where Downs, I think Downs or these are him in

1189
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 5: or these guys who have have more capacity to be

1190
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 5: deep into Like if you look at Tieneman's time at

1191
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: Purdue where he's playing more free safeties in the backfield,

1192
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 5: running around making plays back there.

1193
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: Where at Ohio State with the pass rush that they

1194
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: had to.

1195
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 5: Get a really good football player involved in the game,

1196
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 5: you had to have Downs more in the box. And

1197
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 5: it's like, well, Caleb Downs's box safety now, like I

1198
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 5: think he's better in the back end. So like you

1199
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 5: have these really good free safeties in this class versus

1200
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 5: I don't think there's an Emaun Warrior Kyle Hamilton here

1201
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 5: and those guys. It just may have to wait like

1202
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 5: every two or three years before you get a type

1203
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 5: of player like that where teams are going to try

1204
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 5: to force feed like we did for Randy Mawson, Calvin Johnson,

1205
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 5: Like anytime you had a tall, fast.

1206
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: Guys like, oh, that's this guy. No, those guys aren't

1207
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: around a lot.

1208
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you said something interesting to me on

1209
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: text to Ali, which is that look Styles, Sunny Styles,

1210
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: like his workout was insane, but maybe the league, like

1211
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking, does this make it so that he

1212
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: could be in that top five mix? And you thought,

1213
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: like the teams I think were there on him already,

1214
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: that there was disagreement maybe between David Bailey, RVL Reese

1215
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: Sonny Styles, but he was even though he's an off

1216
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: ball linebacker, he was already looked at a guy that

1217
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: could go as high as who knows, like as high

1218
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: as possible.

1219
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, Patrick's right on those safety body types. Those guys

1220
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 4: come around once in a lifetime for a franchise. If

1221
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 4: you're lookie, maybe we'll get some more of them. Now

1222
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 4: there's like a prototype out there, but it's unlikely that

1223
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: guy is Sunny Styles. That is the guy with that

1224
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 4: size and those movement skills. You don't need a dime

1225
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 4: linebacker on the field. We just have Sonny Styles and

1226
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 4: he plays every down and he covers like Fred Warner.

1227
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: But he's got five inches and a bunch of pounds

1228
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 4: on him as well, So the combine for the teams,

1229
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 4: they've had all these measurements for as long as they want.

1230
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 4: They've also got them from the Senior Bowl. It's mostly crossofs.

1231
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 4: It's medical stuff. It's like one really bad meeting and

1232
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 4: they go back to the notes. Maybe there's some thresholds

1233
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 4: they have where they cross guys off, but they're crossing

1234
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 4: off and guys move up a few spots. They don't

1235
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 4: have the kind of media side jump, right. Guy goes

1236
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: from thirty sixth from that ball to eighteenth or something

1237
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 4: like that.

1238
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: So that's it for our big questions. We will have

1239
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: Patrick back later in the week.

1240
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: We will figure out when we got Ali back on

1241
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: the show, but I'm looking forward to it. We also

1242
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: have a couple live shows next week that we're getting

1243
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: excited for. I want to go live on YouTube Sunday

1244
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: night with Shook, so we're gonna work on that. But

1245
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: we are definitely going live during the week, including on

1246
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: Monday from the studio, the first day of the quote

1247
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: unquote legal tampering period, which is the busiest day of

1248
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: the entire offseason, so we will be live on the

1249
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: NFL Channel, which is the Fast Network, But we're trying

1250
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: to work on getting live on YouTube and we'll have

1251
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: all those shows out.

1252
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: I am really excited for that.

1253
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: One other just tiny news item that I wanted to

1254
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: mention is Donovan Eziraku had hip surgery and you know,

1255
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: may not be ready for training camp and that that's

1256
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: not an injury you want to see for literally anyone.

1257
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: And he had such a great end to his rookie year.

1258
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: And it gets to one question I left unasked today,

1259
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: which is like, what are the Cowboys going to do

1260
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: with all this cap space that they just freed up.

1261
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: It sounds like, actually the Cowboys are going to be

1262
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: pretty active. They need a lot of help on a

1263
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: lot of defensive positions, but we'll talk about that throughout

1264
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: the week. Let's hit the music. Let's get out of here.

1265
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: Sorry guys, Patrick, No more tourists came through the Stage five.

1266
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 5: By the way, we're also just me and this cutout

1267
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 5: at Scott Hanson.

1268
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's stage four, Stage four, the Scott Hansen Studio.

1269
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: Thank you to Ali, Thank you to Patrick.

1270
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: We will be back in the feed on Tuesday with

1271
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: forties in Free Agents Meet and Daniel Jeremiah will see

1272
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: that