WEBVTT - Robert Griffin III 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.400 This episode of Busting with the Boys. The Boys is 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:07.880 presented by Barstool Sports. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.239 What you doing, man? How you doing? 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.440 Bros? The Boys were back together? 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.200 Yeah, we're you man, Look at looking at you. I 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.280 haven't I haven't seen you, like talking to you since 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.199 you got the new teeth, Man, you look incredible. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.040 Oh, I know all the all the. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.880 Redskins teammates and friends and stuff. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.360 Just just heckle me, dude, because obviously I had the old, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.400 the old, the old Blitz package running into my mouth 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:46.000 back in the day. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.760 The best thing about it is you're smiling now more, 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:53.360 you know what I mean? 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.080 So I know, I know, like I love doing it too. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.360 It's probably the best investment I've ever made. It's fixing 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.080 these teeth, man. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.160 How long so you need? Uh? 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.120 I got them in the summer of twenty eighteen, so 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.360 right before like I was with the Titans and Ots 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.800 and then ratro OTAs I got him. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.440 Any problems with them, No. 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:17.800 Not really. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.800 Like the only thing that sucks is like, so you'll 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.360 get temporaries that you put in and they're not like 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.680 individual veneers. It's like a it's like an entire set, right, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.640 So you got to wear those for like two weeks 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.680 and so eating and stuff, and you could kind of 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.960 feel them shipted around, not like big, but you could 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:36.160 feel it to where you. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.280 Were just nervous the whole time. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.200 Like I remember I was in the I was in 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.760 the chair, the dental chair, and I was like, yo, 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.360 I'm not gonna lie, guys. I'm super scared to do this. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.120 And everybody was telling me like not to like, dude 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.520 as your personality this and then I'm like, dude, fuck 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.400 the personality, like I need I want a better smile. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.600 And I was like, uh. I told the doc. I 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.840 was like, man, if I don't like this, are you able? 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.320 Because they shave him down to like little any biddy 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.360 like vampire teeth, like I look ridiculous, and then they 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.440 put the veneer caps on him. I was like, if 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.920 I don't like it, because you shave and trim my 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.519 teeth the veneers back to what my teeth used to 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.720 look like. And he was like, He's like, I promise 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.720 you're gonna like him, but yes, if you are that uncomfortable, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.560 I will shave him back down to your original chip 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:23.560 tooth and stuff like that. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:24.520 He was like joking on. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.680 Me, that's man. Yeah, you look, you look amazing. You know, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.240 thank you to secure men so we can say that, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.480 but yeah, thanks man, Yo. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.040 I always look at and it's always when d Y 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.519 hits me up. D Y He'll reach out, like just 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.120 say what's up every now and then a few times 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.800 a year, and I'll always like my first response is 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.640 sending him the video. And when me, you and him 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.280 were in uh was it your car or his car 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.120 when we were driving to the Gaylord Hotel to make 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.120 meetings and we were stuck in traffic and we were 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.639 like weaving through following like the ambulance and stuff like that. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:07.400 Like I'll never forget that, man. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.520 Yeah, man, it was was that when we were in 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.799 uh Man, that's when they had like a really bad 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.359 traffic jam. Yeah. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.960 It was like it was like the ball that they 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.600 had I think for like uh the military, right. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.120 Remember they wanted the ball every year, like during Christmas. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.679 Time and traffic stuff. It was like it was chaotic 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.640 and you definitely didn't want to be late to a meeting. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:32.120 No, never wanted to. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.400 Yeah, wasn't he bro He's one of my favorite teammates 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.280 of all time, dude, And you like you don't start 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.480 thinking about that stuff until like you know, your years 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.240 are years are like those kind of years are behind you, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:48.800 and you get to kind of sit back and reflect 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.720 and you're like, man, this stuff just doesn't last forever. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.760 So you like appreciate all those like friendships that you 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:56.560 had that you're like, I wish I would have just 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.080 enjoyed them that much more. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.320 Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy because if you look 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.960 at like the Ruskins roster now, like I would say, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.000 like ninety five percent of the guys that we played 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.640 with there or not there anymore. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.120 Right, Right. It's same with like college too, Like you 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.800 get a couple of years of moved, but you still 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.000 kind of follow your team because you've got your boys 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.760 that are selling the team that you're root for. Yep. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:18.400 And then when it gets to like you don't even 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.719 recognize the roster, you're just like, I have like no 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.680 ties really to this organization or college anymore. You don't 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:25.560 feel that way anyway. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.839 Yeah, you feel like a foreigner, you know. Yeah, Taylor 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.359 and I used to used to go back a bunch, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.240 but then obviously you know everything that happened there, uh, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.640 and the guys start disappearing. You don't know anyone so 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.359 you just become like a fan, like I'm sure, yeah, Nebraska. 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.760 Now, not all fans have a statue. Man's got a statue. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.760 Man's got a statue, rightfully. So though, Bro, you were 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.960 a stun in college. And we'll get to that stuff. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.000 But before we get in all that, like, how you been, dude? Like, 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.680 obviously we'reng for those listening. I don't know when this 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.800 episode's going to drop, but for everybody listening. RG and 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.000 I were talking basically the week the Monday, right after 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.320 all of the protests and riots that have been happening 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.760 on behalf of the George Floyd incident incident, and uh 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.279 so Rob and I are talking now RG, we'll call 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.120 them all the fun stuff. But so when I asked 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:20.640 him that, that's kind of what I'm referring to. So 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.400 I don't know if this is gonna come out, I 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.760 don't know when it's going to but to give people context, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.320 how you been, dude. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.080 Yeah, I mean personally, you know, aside from everything that's 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.119 going on in America, I've been. I've been. I've been okay. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.880 Uh you know, I actually got stuck in California. Uh 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.000 you know, we went out there in you know, February. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.080 I think it was, yeah, February to kind of like 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.520 get away, go train, get ready for the next season. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.040 And then COVID hit in March and we were stuck. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.400 So we got stuck out there, didn't really know what 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.039 to do, didn't want to get on a plane. We 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.440 had my three daughters with us, and and my wife 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.000 was just like what do we do? So we stayed 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.200 for a couple of weeks and then you know, Bill 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:02.680 start to ramp up a little bit. You know, it's 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.320 not like you stay out there for free, so. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah you and are you in an airbnb? 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.719 Just so we were in an airbnb out there. So 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.359 I'm like, all right, what do I do? You know, 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.039 I want to you know, save money, don't know if 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:14.800 the season is going to come back around, what's going 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.560 to happen. And because of COVID, we had a house 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.920 that were getting built in Florida. They got pushed back 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.520 because everything's you know, kind of shutting down. So we drove. 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.120 We drove from California from LA all the way to 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.599 Texas and really, yeah, I was able to get my 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.680 mama house, you know, less enough to buy my mama 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.440 house out here in Arlington and uh so we drove 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.799 out here in eighteen hours on the road. Yeah, road trip. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.080 It was. It was great, beautiful scene scenior, you know, 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.720 seeing the mountains and all that stuff from California all 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.200 the way to Texas. But it's just been a stressful time, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.520 like not knowing what's going on, and you know, with 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.320 with everything that's going on now with the protests and 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.080 and you fight for equality and the George Floyd murder, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.080 it's just like the world is just in chaos right now. Man. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.440 It's oh, I know, man, it's just it just sucks. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.920 Like it's like you I've had conversations over the weekend, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.400 and you know how it is, like they'd be there 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:17.160 just like lengthy conversations and just ultimately like it just sucks, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:18.720 you know what I mean. 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.200 Like you reach out to like your friends and you're trying. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.280 To like check on like me, like checking on like your. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.960 Black teammates or black friends. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.000 And stuff like that. You're just kind of trying to 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.840 get a feel for what that like, what it is 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.520 in everybody's head. And I'm careful to like say stuffing 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.240 because you know how people can just grab and just 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:40.520 take anything out of context. These days and it's just unfortunate, man, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.280 Like I hate it. And then on top of it, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.520 like all this stuff's going on, it's like, yo, the pandemic, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.640 like we were we out of the pandemic everyone, like 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.840 you see some good protesting going on, you see bad 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.440 stuff too, and it's like, yo, hey, what is the 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:55.960 pandemic is still going on too? 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.360 Yeah, so it's like, uh, you know, to be honest 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.280 with you, you know, I got to say for you man, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.200 like I appreciate you, appreciate your voice. I saw what 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.520 you wrote the other day about people needing to stop, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:15.360 you know, listen and understand before they move forward, or 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.320 just you know, turn a blind eye to what's going on. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.280 I think in this country, for the longest we've liked, 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.560 we have liked to think that racism doesn't exist, or 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.080 that it's gotten better. And yeah, trust me, like from 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.280 the civil rights movement, it's definitely gotten better. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.400 But yeah, like we're not you know, like it's people 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.079 bring up some photo it's like, okay, like we're not 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.160 saying that. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.880 We're not segregated systematically that way. I think that people 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.800 will will go to their grave arguing about systemic racism 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.040 and systematic racism, how it's built in that way, and 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.760 I don't disagree with that, but the what we're seeing 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.280 right now with the right and the protests and the 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:06.440 burning of the buildings and the looting, it's, uh, you know, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.000 not all of that is being done by the right people, of. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.960 Course, absolutely, but absolutely. 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:16.840 I mean that is pain from hundreds of years of 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.720 inequality and I and we see this happen, right, We see, 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.520 you know, a black guy on a black guy get killed, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.160 and there's protests, and then it just feels like, you know, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.839 a couple of weeks later, it's all back to normal, right. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.400 It's it's no one's talking about it, no one's doing 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.600 anything about it, and no one's coming up with a solution. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.320 So to see this one linger the way that it 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.320 has and turn into what it has, it kind of 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.160 feels like this is the opportunity to try to actually 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.840 implement significant change, and it's going to take time, right, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.520 It's going to take time. People are don't have to vote, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.000 They're gonna have to We're gonna have to try to 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.400 take down the system by voting in the right people. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.240 But it's going to take people like yourself who aren't 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.920 who aren't afraid to speak up publicly. And and it's 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.600 it's not just doing it one time. It's not just 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.559 doing it for you know, your brand or to look good, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.160 so they can't say you didn't say something, you know 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:11.559 what I mean. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.120 It's some some brands aren't saying anything because they're nervous 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.079 about what the ownership might say. Hey, like, stay out 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.680 of this sticky I'm saying. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:21.880 And you know, they've always preached that when we came 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.679 in as when you came in as a rookie, I 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.600 came in the league as a rookie, They're like, hey, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.400 don't talk about race, religion, or politics. Don't don't put 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.040 yourself out there with issues that can be deemed you know, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.160 like you're going to scorch the earth right. And this 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.800 is a moment where you've seen more athletes speak up 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.959 and talk about it. You've seen more white athletes speak 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.760 up and talk about it. And you know, I have 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.120 my feeling. Some I feel are genuine, some I don't 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.640 feel are genuine. But at the end of the day, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.720 we need everybody to try to march together to get 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.480 to a point where we can figure something out. Because 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.720 I don't have the answers. I don't know what's gonna may, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.720 and that's what's so frustrating and heartbreaking. You don't you 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.800 just don't know, but you know, saying something about it 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.640 can help, and we need everybody for. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.400 That, right because Like, so after I wrote my blog 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.920 piece and I'm stoked. I'm like, I'm fired up that 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.680 people like liked it and shared it and it did 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.120 what it what it did, and you know, when I 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.080 wrote it, I'm like, I hadn't seen I don't this 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.319 isn't certain, but I hadn't seen anything written on Barsool 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:28.960 yet about it. So I was like, you know, I 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.559 wonder if I write this, like if it's going to 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.960 be able to be actually submitted, you know what I mean, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.160 because I hadn't seen anything yet, right, Unfortunately, like Erica 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.600 the CEO and Dave and everybody's like reaching out talking 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.360 about you know, how well written it wasn't that obviously, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.920 Like teammates and people that I've peers with and stuff 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.760 reaching out and it's like all that happens, and then 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.440 I sit back and I'm like, Okay, well, like you 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.480 were saying earlier, like it can't just be a one 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.480 time thing, and I'm thinking of my mind, like all right, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:54.480 you know. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.160 What can I do next? Because again, it's it's it's 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.280 also hard. 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.040 First of all, it's definitely needed for more white people 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.600 to speak up about it. And it's not speaking up 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.520 in a way that you know the facts and you 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.959 know answers. But I want to say everyone I've listened 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.400 to or I have a conversation with black, Hispanic, just 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.960 any minority, it's like, acknowledge that it's happening. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:20.640 Correct. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.360 They want to be heard. So acknowledge that you have privilege, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.720 even if that might reb you the wrong way. Like 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.199 sometimes I was talking to my fiance she's at Filipino, 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.800 and she's like, like, sometimes when privilege is brought up 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.360 to me, I get a little shung by it because 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.800 I know my upbringing it my own community. Now knowing 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.000 having all this and reflecting more, knowing my communities white 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.360 and just knowing like, Okay, even though I wasn't privilege 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.000 in my own white community, that doesn't mean I don't 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.600 have this white privilege myself. Like she does a good 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.880 job explaining a lot of stuff to me, but like 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.040 the thing is like acknowledging your privilege. Acknowledging that you're 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.560 hearing everybody, you're hearing what's happening and giving a shit, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.720 like using your platform in whatever way possible and like 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.040 just letting them, letting people and I hate saying that, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.040 Like you got to let black people know. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:10.120 Like I hate about it, and however you can say it, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.960 go about it like you got to do it in 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.640 a genuine fashion and also be careful because you can't 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.199 get taken out of context as well. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.200 So it's it's difficult, but it is, man. It's it's 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.520 good to see a lot more people speaking out and me, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.000 I can, I can admit that I've been I can 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.040 be guilty of not like if if a murder happens. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.120 You know how white people, I don't. I don't, I 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.320 hate just people in general in general. Yeah, I know 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:40.280 you're not gonna take me out. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.640 Of context, but you have a pod, so you gotta 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:43.760 be careful, you. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.640 Know what I'm saying. It's like people can be like 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.680 you see a scene happen and you're like, listen, let's 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.800 get all the facts, like we just because there's a 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.160 very angry community doesn't mean like this is exactly what happened, 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.120 and so you'll want to wait on more facts. Like, 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.360 to me, this situation is as obvious and it's clear 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.000 cut of a situation that you can use as an example. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.120 It's like, listen, guys, this camera was on for over 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.560 two minutes and this it's clearly wrong. Like I was 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.720 talking to my boy blas shut out bloss, who's expanded, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:15.480 who's Hispanic? 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.640 And he h, he's in the law enforcement. 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.480 He's like, there's nowhere in our teaching to where you know, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.560 it's on somebody's neck, it's you. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.040 Know, around their belt or their chest or something like that. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.960 But it's like this situation kind of helps I feel like, 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.680 you know, more people white everyone look at a situation 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.320 and see what the black community has been wanting to 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.760 be seen forever. Yeah, that makes sense. If I explained 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.120 that in my in my very white privilege, I got it. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.720 I'm saying all this stuff guys in my very white way. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.280 That is Uh, that was my thought. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:50.160 Yeah. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.600 I feel like you know, when I when I've talked 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.840 to my white teammates recently, it's it's it's like, hey, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.280 what can we do right, And like you're at a 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.560 loss for words, you don't know what you can do, 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.840 but I know that you can you can speak up 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.480 about it, and you know, they're like, hey, we're willing 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.800 to talk with you and brainstorm and figure out things 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.560 to do. And I feel like the beginning point is 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.520 speaking up. You have to say something, and then once 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.560 you do that, then it's like, hey, man, if you're 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.760 in your your own little circle and you hear something 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.720 right that that just shouldn't be said, or or a 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.440 viewpoint that that that someone shouldn't have on certain things 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.960 when it comes to equality, you have to step up then, right, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:36.320 because whether it's racism or just you know, a superiority 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.320 complex or whatever it may be, that stuff is that's 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.360 not you know, it's not you're not born with that. Right. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.000 You see a kid and a white kid in the 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.200 same area, they're gonna love on each other because they 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.120 that that's what they know, right. But as they get 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.680 older or whatever happens, that stuff is built in and 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.920 it's taught for someone to, you know, not like someone 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.760 of another color or think that person is inferior to them. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.880 And I think that's a big part of everything that's 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.880 been going on. No one knows what to do, right. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.760 I know a lot of people want to help, but 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.600 they don't know how to help. And I just can't 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.560 stress enough that this is not a political issue, you 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:16.000 know what I mean? 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.440 I know, I know, and I hate when it starts 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:19.520 to get money there. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.200 Right, people want to turn it into a political issue. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.920 It's not a political issue. This is a human rights issue. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.200 If you're a believer, right, if you're a Christian believer, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.400 this is doing the others as you want them. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:30.920 To do under you. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.320 And I agree with you this, George Ford one is 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.720 like so egregious that I think that's why you see 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.840 some of the chaos that you see right in other situations. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.080 And you know, I don't agree with it, but they'll say, hey, 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.000 well they shouldn't have done this, they should have done that, 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.680 they should have done this. But this one for for 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.440 all people. It is just like, oh my gosh, it's 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.440 it's the most obvious one. It's what is going on here. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.840 And this is something that I've you know, I've dealt 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.080 with my whole life. We've had these conversations before, like 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.120 about just inequality or opportunity or whatever it may be. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.640 But you don't want to you know, when I got 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.399 three daughters and you know, one day I pray to 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.639 have a son. I don't want them to have to 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.119 grow up in a world like this. Right, And you 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:14.920 can say, well, this is the greatest country in the world, 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.720 and we have the most freedom and we do all 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.520 these things, and yeah, I'm very you know, I know 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.480 those things, right. My parents served in the military. I 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.440 know the freedoms that we have and what we fight for. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.400 But did we really fight for this? You know? Our 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.560 nation is founded on you know, liberty and justice for 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:37.600 all and our original sin, the original sin of America 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.520 is injustice. It's the original We have to get over that. 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.919 How do we do it? I have no idea, but 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.480 I know that if I can get you all my 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:52.120 other non black teammates, all my black teammates, the community, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.520 and we can all do this together, there's a better chance. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.119 As opposed to what has typically happened. Is if it 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.080 doesn't affect you, you just turn the other cheek. You said, oh, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.560 well that doesn't really bother It bothers me, but it 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.600 doesn't affect my life. So I'm just not going to 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.280 say anything. I don't want to hurt my brand. I 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.000 don't want to lose some fans. I don't want to 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.120 you know, get fired. You know, for whatever, for whatever reason, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.600 you stand on something. But I think this is the time. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.320 I think this is the time for everyone to take 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:28.239 that stand and take that risk, because it's it's just 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.680 not okay, it's twenty twenty, man. Like you remember, we're 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.840 in the nineties. We're watching movies and they're talking about 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.920 like flying cars and all these things in the future. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.640 Like this is the future now and we don't have 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.880 those things and we don't even have justice for all 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.920 in a country that was founded upon justice for all. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.000 Right, right, don't you just wish, like I'll sit back 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.360 and think, like, man, I wish everyone could just experience 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.800 a locker room dynamic. Yeah, like when you're on when 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.280 you're on a team. I know us we're very fortunate 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.440 to have been in locker rooms because my own story, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.800 it's like I grew up in bon Ter, Missouri. That is, 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.040 like you read, ninety nine percent white, and a lot 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.200 of people don't necessarily leave that bubble, Like Saint Louis 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:12.960 is the closest city in our way, So we're in 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:14.680 small town USA. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:15.399 You know what I'm saying. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:20.040 And for me, I would have never really known or 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.800 understood any of this had I not been in the 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.680 Nebraska locker room, had the roommates that I've had, been 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.120 in the Redskins locker room, Raiders locker room, Titans locker room, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:30.840 all that stuff. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.000 And just to think that, like, had I. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:37.400 Never experienced that, I would, I would you know, more 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.719 than likely be around by bond tere upbringing. Not that 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.240 it was bad or negative, but you have that kind 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:45.880 of You have some of those people that and they 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.879 have access to this huge platform like social media, and 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.600 that's where a lot of stuff can get money because 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.520 people just I say the word ignorant carefully. I'm not 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.640 calling people ignorant, but you're ignorant to like what's truly 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.480 all like out there happening all the time, and all 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.400 these different communities and stuff, and it just gets really 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.600 muddy when you have a platform like social media to 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.639 sit and kind of ultimately get to arguing. You know 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.960 how it goes like now it's get some of it 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.560 gets made into a political issue and it's like, you know, 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.200 back to reeling it in. It's like a humanity issue, correct, 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.520 And I just wish people, I wish everyone could be 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.080 in the locker room like us, you know what I mean, 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.560 and be around the dynamics we get to be around, right, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.240 because you create such strong bonds that you know, you 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.400 you hate seeing what's happening out there right now. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.200 Yeah, it's and and I'm with you. Like the locker 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.480 room is like such a special place. It's it's so special, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.359 it's crazy. Like most guys when they retire, right, Like 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.679 most guys don't miss training camp, they don't miss uh, 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.879 you know, practicing and lifting, but they missed that bond 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.320 of being in the locker room. And yeah, and I 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.359 was listening to our coaches today as he was talking, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.600 and he said that, you know, football for him, he 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.320 grew up in the segregation times. Football for him and 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.760 sports for him was a place where he didn't feel 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:12.240 that that hatred. Right, those white people back then, or 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:16.040 or non black people back then, felt a certain type 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.919 of bond because they were all in it for a 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:23.080 common goal, right to win. Now, I go play basketball 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.920 and I got, you know, four white guys on my team. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.760 You know, the stereotype is that all of them can shoot, right, 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:36.360 but it doesn't that doesn't matter. The point is that 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.199 me and those other four guys, we're all trying to 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.120 win that game. So you overlook where you came from. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:41.199 You. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.480 Overlook how much money you have. You overlook all these 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.280 things that that uh that are that are what I say, 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.879 qualifiers for for inequality. And you're all trying to accomplish 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.480 that goal. So you're willing to do whatever it takes, right, 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.160 shoot the three, pass the ball, die for the ball, 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.480 you know, go into triple overtime, whatever you have to 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.600 do to win that game. And when he said that, 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.639 I'm like, man, like, how do we get society to 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.119 that point to where we see it? We're all in 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.240 it for the same reason, right, people are going to 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.040 have their own views on wealth, right, and who has 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:17.560 all the wealth, who doesn't have all the wealth and 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.399 earning potential in this and taxes whatever. Those are all 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.760 political issues. But the fact that we're trying we should 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.480 all be in this together to try to get towards 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.560 equality and to try to get towards justice. To me 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:33.720 that we should all be on the same team there. 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.560 We should all be willing to do whatever it takes 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.480 to get to that. Equality doesn't mean that me and 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.160 you have the same amount of money. It means that 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.639 me and you have the same opportunity. Right now, as 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.680 an athlete, you know that's not always the case, right, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.440 I was, I was drafted. You weren't. You weren't drafted. 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.880 But oh yeah, conversation right, right? 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:58.840 But who still have had? In football terms, your skill 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:05.000 determined your opportunity, right, My skill determined my opportunity in 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.960 that position. Now, is there you know, inequality and injustice 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.600 and sports? Yes there is? But is it anywhere to 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:16.560 the level of the everyday person? Not even close? So 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.720 how do we get society to join on the same 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.840 team and and do things? March together? Right? I see 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:25.879 all these protests and I'm like, yo, man, that's awesome 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.199 because it's not just black people, right. 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:29.960 Oh, I know, it's not just. 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.959 White people, it's not just Asian Americans, it's not just 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:37.520 Mexican Americans. It's everybody. That's what we need. How do 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.800 we get that and then take that and obviously go 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.440 vote and try to tear down the system that's in place? 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.280 Right now? How do you do that? I don't know, 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:47.399 but I know we can know. 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:53.760 I am obsessed with fucking Whoop boys. 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Go to Whoop that's Whoop dot com, 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:55.080 Whoop dot com and terbusting at checkout to say fifteen percent, 0:25:55.680 --> 0:26:00.480 sleep better, recover faster, train smarter, do it with the boys. 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.040 Optimize your performance with Whoop. 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.320 One thing that you were mentioning earlier and I actually 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.760 have written down is one of the things that I 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.280 jumped out to me when I was researching your background 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:13.760 is you were born in Japan. 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.440 Yeah, you were born and you. 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.479 Said it earlier your parents they served in the military. 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.680 You come from a military family. Talk about being born 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.639 in Japan and kind of moving around where being what 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:25.640 do they call it, like being. 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.200 Like a military child? Is that really sticking anywhere? 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:29.880 Oh? 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:37.720 Hang on, hang on, Alex says, hang on. He says, uh, 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.120 he thinks I'm using my AirPods, Mike, if I can 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.600 find a stopping point, check and switch if necessary. 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.440 Yeah. I tried not to interrupt during the that whole 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.679 talk because that was so important obviously that I flowed right, 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.159 But I figured if you're gonna switch over now, this 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:50.439 would be a good time for you to take a 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.680 look and make sure because I think you are on AirPods. 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:54.159 Mike, I am, I am, I see it. 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:55.480 It's microphone right. 0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:02.960 Yes, how now can you hear me, beautiful? Make sure 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.280 you restate the question before you start back again, if 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:05.640 you could. 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.959 I will, I will my bet RG. 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:11.640 Oh No, you're good, you're good. 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:13.879 You know, as man athletes trying to figure all this 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:14.640 stuff out there. 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.120 But uh, one thing that jumped out to me when 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.120 researching your background was that you were born in Japan. 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.320 And uh, you said it earlier, like alluding to your 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.200 parents being you were in a military family. Talk about 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.879 being like a military child and moving around and just 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:34.800 knowing that you were born in Japan made me laugh. 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:40.080 I'm like, what the what was born in Japan? How 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:40.840 long were you there? 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.000 So I was there in Japan for two and a 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.399 half years, So for me, I don't remember it, but 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.720 we got the pictures, we got the videos and everything. 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:50.480 You know, I know you're trying to be politically correct, 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.920 but the proper term for a military military brad, right, 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:58.359 that's that's what it called military band. And you know, 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:02.600 my parents being in the military me the discipline, sacrifice. 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:06.000 You saw it, right, every single day when we went 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.320 to war, my mom and dad, my dad. My mom 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:09.960 was out by that time and my dad you know, 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:11.920 had to go over and be deployed. And I saw 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.280 a lot of my friends' parents and you know, aunts 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.560 and uncles not come back because of that. So it 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.640 was really tough growing up as a military brat, having 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:23.800 to move around. But like I said, the things that 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:28.840 teaches you how to you know, gel in different groups. Right, 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:33.560 So in Japan, obviously that's that's a pretty you know, 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.080 diverse group. Here I'm on a military base, so it's 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:36.840 not like I'm. 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.800 Yeah, no, no, I feel you. 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.000 We're on a military base. You got you got people 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.320 of color, you got white people, you got Asian people. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.080 And we moved a bunch, moved early on, moved to Colorado. 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:55.520 I lived in Alabama, lived in New Orleans, Louisiana, but 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.760 I was lucky enough to settle in Copperscote, Texas before 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.560 for grade. And I went through my whole schooling in 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:03.400 that same city. 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:05.520 Oh that's nice. 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.640 That was That was a blessing because usually I had 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.640 a lot of friends move away. And the one thing 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.680 you hate is when you like move away like junior high, 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.680 high school time, and you know, because you got to 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.160 like sports is such a big you know, most sports 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.240 team sports, so most of them are like really big 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.720 on the camaraderie, and you don't want to be the 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.520 new kid who comes in as a sophomore at the 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.160 high school. Now you got to oh, man, the coach's 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:36.280 son is the quarterback, and like, you don't want to 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.680 do that. So I was I was blessed enough to 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.960 go through that whole time. And you know, to this day, 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.280 high school football is probably still the most fun I've 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:48.280 ever had in my life because the game with all 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.720 the guys that you grew up with from like you know, kindergarten, 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:55.360 first grade, people that you've seen develop and uh, you know, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.840 I was obviously oblivious. I thought all my high school 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.160 teammates were going to go to the NFL. 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.080 So no, I know, right, you think a you know, 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:03.640 college like for sure. 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.280 Then you get to college and you're like, oh my gosh, 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.280 there's a six eight, three hundred and fifty pound offensive lineman. 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:10.840 I had none of those in high school. 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.280 So yeah, yeah, and you don't quite know what you're 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:13.920 doing about. 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.480 The high school center. He was five to seven. He 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.320 was five to seven, two hundred and twenty five pounds, 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.080 and I'm like, man, you're going d one and he's 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.120 probably like, you know, looking at me like you're crazy, 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:27.960 and I get it now. 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:29.000 But it was. 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.440 It was a lot of fun, and being a military 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.040 kid taught me a lot of things. It taught me 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.120 how to mess in jail with a bunch of different 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.440 people in different groups and try to understand it from 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.680 everybody's perspective. A lot of times I found myself being 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:45.360 the new kid and having to try to find my 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.760 way in each different community, and I think that's helped 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.400 me with how I've led, how I've been able to 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.320 be a good teammate in different places that I've been, 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.400 and you know, just be a better all around. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:30:59.560 Person, no doubt. 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.840 Like I fel like, if you're like a military brat, 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.600 to be politically correct, you have like some of those 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.240 you have, like those foundational things, those foundational values that 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.640 you know, you just can't teach all the time unless 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.400 you're like in, unless you have those parents are around 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:16.680 that environment constantly. 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.560 So yeah, and I think that I think that piggybacks 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.280 off what you were saying, like from where you grew 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.520 up and and how that was. I went to you know, 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.600 I went to Baylor University, and no one's gonna say 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.520 that that's like a melting pop. You know, it's a 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:35.240 private school. It's a private Baptist school. And I believe 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.000 over seventy percent of the of the students that go 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.080 to Baylor are a Caucasian. You know we're talking about. 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:45.240 I mean said, shoot, same with Nebraska. 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.720 I mean people are probably in Nebraska like, Okay, Will, 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.280 did you really get out of bond Ter, Missouri. 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:51.200 It's like I guess I'm thinking like. 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.720 In locker room terms, you know what I'm saying, like, 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.840 in your locker room, you got dues from Florida, Cali, 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:58.320 New York, all over. 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.960 Yeah, and sports is like the equaliser. You know, if 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:05.400 it's not split down the middle, it's probably favoring you know, 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.360 minorities to be To be honest, at Nebraska, bayl or 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.920 whatever it is. I still remember you walk around campus. 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.840 I go to class, right, there might be you know, 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.240 if it's a small class, say like you know, thirty 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.920 forty kids, there might be five black people in college. 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.000 But you go to the area where all the athletes are. Yeah, 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.680 you know, like so like it's it was crazy to 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.880 see that. And you meet people, You meet people who 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.520 have never hung around uh, minorities of any kind because 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:41.680 where they live at it is so just one color, right. 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.480 And I ran to my wife. My wife's from Estonia 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:50.000 and they don't have any black exactly. 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:58.280 I don't care, man, I'm not Anteoni. 0:32:56.280 --> 0:33:00.960 Is in the Baltics, so uh, Norway a lot via 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.760 And I say this when last because don't ever say 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.400 this to an Estonian. But Russia, they're right next to Russia, 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:14.080 and Estonians and Russians don't really get along because Russia 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:19.000 has has conquered Estonia a couple of times. So, so 0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.880 just anyone, don't ever call my wife Russian. Don't. 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.040 Yeah, so that's kind of like Russian then hunt like no. 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.080 So, but I ran into it with her, like there's 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.360 no black people. She didn't grow up with that those 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.840 types of people in her life every day. But she 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:40.560 came over to to the United States for college, went 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.680 to Florida State. She went to Tallahassee, Florida, which is 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:47.040 one of the blackest places in all of America. Yeah, 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.320 she got a crash course on black history by going 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.560 to by going to college, and it's opened her eyes 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.800 because from what she saw back at home to what 0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.360 she sees now in America. Uh, you know, to her, 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:04.200 it's obvious that there's racism here. But to the people 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.120 who are here all the time, they're like, ah, no, 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.600 that's not that he was he was resisting. You know, 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.080 there was this, there was that, But hers like that 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:17.560 there's no excuse for it. And I think that, you know, 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.520 there's nothing wrong with the fact that where you grew up, 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:25.719 there's nothing wrong that, you know, you being more comfortable 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.440 with someone who looks like you than someone who doesn't. 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.400 I think that is natural. I think where the problem 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.560 comes in is when people are uncomfortable with someone based 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.759 off of stereotype and they use that against them in 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.920 a way that diminishes their ability to either make a 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.440 living or just walk around freely. You know, I don't 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.840 want to be paid to go on a job, you know, 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.320 I don't. I don't. I heard you talking about it 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.520 with the man who got gunned down for going on 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.320 a jog, and they're like, oh, well he was looking 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.160 in a in an unbuilt house before or he got. 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.920 Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah, like and. 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:06.680 Like, who hasn't done that? 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:08.000 Right? 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.440 Like this this house here from a mom. There's houses 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.200 that are being built. It's a new bill community, and 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.960 we've gone in those houses and looked at him that 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.920 aren't finished. Does that mean that now if I go 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.480 jog a little bit, I should get gunned down? Like 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.560 come on, like he's not stealing anything, and people. 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.680 No doubt, dude, that's that's yeah. 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.279 I was like to justify behavior, and it's like that 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.160 doesn't pass the common sense to us, you. 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.919 Know, right right like you I've you know, I've done 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.399 that stuff too, And I wasn't like what did I say? 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:40.759 I said? 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.840 I like the topped in the car like it was 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.800 a grand theft auto or something like, Yo, this is 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.640 in a video game, dude. 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.680 Yeah, like it's it doesn't make sense. But to get 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.440 back to the to the overall point is that it 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.759 doesn't matter where you grew up right, right, And just 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.400 because you don't see people that that don't look like 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.560 you where you grow up, h it doesn't mean that 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:02.280 when you go to college or when you go somewhere 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.960 that you can't learn something new. And I think that's 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.680 what it is. You just have to be willing to learn. 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.680 And and just because something doesn't affect you particularly or 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.200 your kids or your family, it doesn't mean that it's 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:17.600 not going on. And I think that that's that's the point. 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.160 It's like, I'm not I'm not wanting you to get 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.680 pulled over by the cops and then to fear for 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.120 your life. I don't I don't want you to feel that. 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:27.719 You know, I don't want you to feel that fear. 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.759 I don't want I'm not saying that you deserve that. 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.480 I'm saying that people that look like me don't deserve that. 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:34.640 Can you Can you at least agree with that? Can 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.759 you at least help me move forward some type of 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:42.040 winda to get that to be eliminated. And I think 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.319 that's that's a big part of it. But you're right, 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.879 a lot of people don't grow up with those experiences, 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.960 so they just don't think it's really happening. 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.759 Right right, It's like take the glasses off and put 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.080 on somebody else's glass. It's like you can't really take 0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.120 your lens off, like you're going to have your own 0:36:58.160 --> 0:36:59.080 filter regardless. 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.799 But it's like being. 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:05.320 Super curious and like, you know, seeking to understand where 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.080 the person across from you is coming from about something 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.279 because I'm not I'm not. I'm not like you were 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.319 saying too, like we're not disappointed where we grew up. 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:15.480 I love that I grew up where I grew up, 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.040 and I get to have this story to kind of 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.520 share that, like, hey, you know, I've had all of 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.719 these experiences along the way. Here's where I am now 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.120 getting to with just different things like shout out bon 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.920 ter Missouri dude. But but like, yeah, being curious, like 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:32.640 you're everyone's gonna have their own filter because they've they 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:34.399 nobody can help where they grew up. 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.640 But like you're saying, like you know. 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.799 Seek that curiosity factor that you know, you're trying to 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:47.320 understand someone else's perspective and listen and you know grow 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:48.760 you know what I mean. 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:54.600 Yeah, you I agree with you. It's it's almost impossible 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.040 for someone to really take their lens off, right. Whenever 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:02.080 you hear the saying walk a mile in someone else's shoes, yeah, 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.440 you can put their shoes on, but you're still gonna 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:08.799 be walking halfway with your own mindset, right, Right, So, 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.799 if you've never experienced injustice to the level of the 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:18.160 African American community or people of color in general, you're 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:23.239 not really gonna understand it. But you can't go into 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.680 that conversation with a jaded view like it's not happening, 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:27.840 Like it's in front of you and it's been happening 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.560 for hundreds of years. You can't just say, oh, it's 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:34.000 not happening, it doesn't exist, it does, you know. You know. 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:39.000 Stereotypes are like a huge problem all around the world, right, I. 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.160 Know, But like the stereotypes too, it's like it's it's 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.319 it's it's sensitive in like this topic that we're talking about. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.799 But I've always enjoyed a good stereotype for jokes. Every 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.080 now and then being in a locker room like I'm 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:51.160 I'm scared saying that. 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.360 On the locker room jokes if people heard locker room jokes. 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.120 On me, Oh, bro, we have so much fun in there, bro. 0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.480 But it's uh. Stereotypes have a problem for a long 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:06.080 time forever, right. Those stereotypes are what lead to people 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:10.440 feeling certain ways about things. Right. So I was talking 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.680 about if I go on a basketball court and I 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:15.759 roll up with this team and you know, we're called 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:18.880 the White Chocolates or something, and I got two or 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.520 three two or three Caucasian teammates, everybody's guarding them at 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.759 the three point line, right, But nobody's guarded me at 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.240 the three point line because they think, Oh, he's African American, 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.960 he can jump, he's a dunker, he's a slasher. This 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.760 Caucasian gal here is a shooter. Now, I'm not saying 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.879 that that that doesn't work out that way sometimes, right, 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.879 Like JJ Reddick is a hell of a shooter, Kyle 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.000 Korb is an of a shooter, and Lebron James is 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.200 one of the best slashers of all time. But it 0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.600 doesn't mean that everybody is like that, right. 0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:51.240 No doubt, no doubt. 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.440 But if you rolled up and if you rolled up 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.879 in bond Te, Missouri at a pick up basketball game, 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.360 I'm sitting, Hey, I want him on my team. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.960 And what's your name? Man, RG three, you can you can. 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.960 Be on my team. So what I'm saying it's not 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.080 that those stereotypes don't sometimes end up being true. It's 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.080 just when it's in the negative, like that's when it's like, 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.800 oh man, we gotta we gotta try to overcome that somehow. 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.560 I still remember, you know, in Cleveland, I had you know, 0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.279 I've had long hair since like forever, since I went 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.200 to college. And I had my afro out right No, 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.200 not like right now, like I got the buns in 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.440 right now, but I had the afro out, and UH 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:34.680 coach came to me and he said, hey, I need 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.759 you to come to work with your hair braided or 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:42.319 cut it off. I said, Coach, He said, well, you're 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.520 black and you're a black quarterback, and you can't. You 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:48.799 can't be presented in that way. You can't come here 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.080 with your hair not done in some type of way 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.279 because it just doesn't give off the right message. And 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.359 I'm gonna be i'mna be honest with you it. You know, 0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:01.319 it pissed me off because I feel like, why why 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:05.239 do I have to do that? You know, why? Why 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.680 is that the message that I'm giving off of because 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.640 my hair looks a certain type of way, or because 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.120 I'm wearing a hoodie or or whatever. For the longest, 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.279 everybody used to I walk down the street in DC 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.279 and uh, they'd be like, hey, man, I got some 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.399 weed for you. I know you, I know you smoke. 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:20.920 I know you. 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.080 I'm like, bro, Like, I've never smoked in my life, 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.799 and I'm not condemning anybody that does. But just because 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:30.640 I'm black, I'm wearing a hoodie and I got what 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.160 people thought were dreads at the time, doesn't mean I'm 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:34.440 on the gondo people. 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.600 Does Jane Like, come on, no, hey, you know, try 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.200 hanging out like in UH with your teammates and stuff. 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:43.960 And then people are thinking like I'm. 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:48.319 Their agent or like financial man, put some respect on 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.480 my name. Man, I play too like, oh hey, what's 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:55.200 your name? Man like trying to give me a handshake. Like. 0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.360 So it's just to that point where yeah, man, like 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.759 everybody likes a good laugh, But what's going going on 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:06.680 in this country? For hundreds of years with with minorities 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.200 in general, especially the African American community just isn't a 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.680 laughing matter anymore. And I think I think people are 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.319 seeing that, and that's the disheartened part because you would 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:19.560 feel like, dang, why didn't you see that earlier? But 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.880 I do think this George Floyd incident, uh and the 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.440 gentleman who got gunned down for you know, going on 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.560 a jog, those that really brought everybody out to the forefront. 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.279 Plus everyone's not doing anything really right, so a lot 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.480 of people out of work, so there's more eyes on 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:38.640 social media, there's your eyes on the news, and like 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.839 I mean, it's like like twenty twenty is just complete chaos. Man, 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:49.640 Like Kobe Bryant dies and we got coronavirus hiss And now. 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.440 Talk about the history books that they're going to be 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.000 on twenty twenty back when it's like year three thousand. 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.399 Dude, they're gonna be learning about all this. And that's 0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.200 why I think a lot of people are are doing 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:00.640 what they're doing because they want to be on the 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.600 right side of history. You know, I want to be 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.040 on the right side of history that that sees a 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:10.840 system of systematic injustice crumble. You know, yeah, down, I 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.400 want to be on that side of history, and I 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:15.239 think we can do it. But if you had to 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.360 ask me, I have no idea how. I have no 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:17.919 idea how. 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.120 Yeah, yeah, I mean she rolling it together? Man, I know. 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:28.280 Uh you it's like you said, it's like how that happens? 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:28.640 Right there? 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.520 You sit and you say something, you just start thinking 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.719 and you're just like, man, like, how does that? 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.600 How does that kind of stuff happen? 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.759 And you just, if anything, try to stay optimistic and 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:41.719 when you can find opportunity to, you know, do something yourself. 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:46.319 Like hopefully everyone takes that choice, chooses the right choose 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.640 the right choice, makes the right decision to just like hey, 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.200 be you know, be a good person. 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.040 Yeah, it's like that. There was this I came. I 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:55.480 don't know if the show is still long, but there 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.120 was like the show what would you Do? And like 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.640 they like set these different narrows up where like a 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.319 girls at the bar or something, and the guys like 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.000 he clearly puts something in a drink and he's getting 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.399 trying to get a drunk and there's people around, there's 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.520 cameras in the area, and they're trying to see like 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.919 who's gonna step up and do the right thing, right 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.640 And as you know, like we've had these talks with 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:25.160 the team about not getting involved in certain situations. And 0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:30.960 you see you see some like domestic violence, assault happening 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:35.640 in a public place. Don't get involved because you could 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.600 get injured. Call the cops, do this, do that. I 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:41.799 don't feel like this is that type of situation, right, 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:45.200 This isn't a mind your own business type of thing. 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:49.600 Because justice for all is is good for everybody, you 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.279 know what I mean. We don't want black fathers to 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.439 be incarcerated at alarming rates that are taking them away 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:57.359 from their families, you know what I mean. We don't 0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:01.640 want black fathers being you know, murdered, because I mean 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.719 that's a George Floyd was I was murdered, you know, 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:07.920 it was right that stuff just no remorse at all. 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.640 And you know, I just think that those are those 0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.360 are things that people have to really pay closer attention to. 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.680 Well, yeah, we're it's like it's like we're kind of 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.640 in a point. I was just thinking about this as 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.719 you were talking. It's like everyone has a little bit 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:23.200 of sense of ownership. 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:27.200 Right, yes, yeah, now in this moment to. 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.800 Where we're now in ownership role in your own capacity. 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:31.680 It's not like, hey, this is our leader of this 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.600 and that. It's like like everyone has a little bit 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.880 of leadership right now and some accountability, some ownership in this. 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.080 They can take part in that. And it's like if 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:42.400 you see something, say something type of thing and and 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.680 again the whole seek to understand thing. It's like, but 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.359 I do feel like we are you you you said 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.799 something that triggered that. We're kind of a spot. That's 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:51.360 like we all have a little bit of ownership in 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.600 this part right now. And like you were saying, it's 0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:58.600 not like don't stay removed from the situation because of 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.640 the repercussions that could come from you. 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:01.040 Know what I mean. 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:02.919 Now and now it's like going to think, hey, see something, 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:06.319 say something, and you know, hopefully you're looking around and 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:08.399 you got more, you got more people that are doing 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:09.040 the same thing you. 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:13.279 Are, right. It's I mean, it makes me laugh. It's 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.839 not funny, but it's it makes me laugh that you know, 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.680 Like growing up, they always talked about don't don't let 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:23.080 peer pressure get to you in negative things. Right, So 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.040 underage drinking, whatever it may. 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:32.799 Be, Yeah, still say no to drugs kids, you know 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:33.359 what I'm saying. 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.759 So I'm like, Okay, you know, you get all these 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.279 PEP talks and they're like, you know, peer pressure can 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.360 be good, peer pressure can be bad. Don't let the 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.360 bad peer pressure affect you. And I feel like right 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:49.440 now there's more peer pressure for non people of color 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:54.040 to step up and say something right right to the 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.759 to the to the point where when you first saw 0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.520 it happened and you're like, wow, now that's big, you know, 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:06.040 you that's big. You get Tom Brady, you know, posting 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:10.319 an image of something where he's never really went into 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.280 those areas at all. I'm saying. You're like, oh my gosh, Okay, 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.520 we're making some progress here. We got to get more 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.040 people to do it. But then after like a week 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.280 of all this stuff going on, then you start seeing 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.480 more people start coming out. But there's a feeling that 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:28.040 it's due to the peer pressure, that if they don't 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.480 say something, people are going to look at them differently. 0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:35.280 And I look at it like that. The church, Okay, 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.200 people have their feelings about the church. They have their 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:43.279 feelings about ties and offerings right right, And I've heard 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.880 every conversation about it, right but at the end of 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.640 the day, if you if you are tithing and you 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.120 you're helping the church out, the church is spreading God's 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.239 word in some type of way, whether you agree with 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:58.560 how they're doing it or not. Right, So you know, 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:00.000 I have all the phones about that as a whole 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.600 another conversation for a whole nother time. Yeah, that's why 0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:04.399 I look at it. So sometimes when you see people 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:09.920 come out and say things, it's still good, right, regardless 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.840 of whether they are feeling peer pressured into it or not. 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:16.880 It's what you do next that really matters. And you 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:20.799 said that you wrote that piece you it was you know, 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:25.360 beautifully worded, and it's like, what do I do next? 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:28.120 Am I do I continue to be vocal? Do I 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.560 work in my own circles to try to improve or 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:35.359 attack things that I see? Do I work with you know, 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.360 these different organizations to go out and be in the 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.920 community in whatever type of way. It's what you do 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:45.960 next that really matters. Don't just say something to say something, 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:50.080 you know, And so I'm like, I'm thinking about it, 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.080 and I'm like, man like, people are really being peer 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.719 pressured into saying something right now, and even and even 0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:00.600 still some people aren't saying anything right, and I do 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:02.479 think you know that that's something needs to be said, 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.520 Like your brand should never be based off racism. If 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:10.879 you're afraid to lose fans or notoriety because you say 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:15.600 something about injustice, then that's that itself is a problem. 0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:19.440 And I think that's where America is right now. We're realizing. Man. 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.560 You know, I was reluctant to say something at first, 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:26.320 because I'm like, damn, you know, in my position, I 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.080 don't need to be in my current position, I don't 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:32.000 need to be controversial, you know what I mean? And 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:35.360 I understand that. You know, I understand why certain guys 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:40.000 disappear from the league when they were young because they're controversial. 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:42.640 I don't need to be controversial. But I don't think that, 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:48.359 you know, standing up for equality in this moment is controversial. 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.840 I think that's right, right, And you can also, like, 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.799 you know, even even with what I wrote, I feel 0:49:56.800 --> 0:50:00.200 like there's there's a there's a place where you don't 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.040 have to intentionally try and be controversial to get a 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.400 message across, Like you can kind of stand alone that's 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:10.879 outside of say your your you know, your football brain 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:12.520 and stuff like that, and still do it in a 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:14.160 way that's like makes. 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:15.960 Sense and it's genuine and comes off. 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.439 Like, you know, like we're kind of saying like, yeah, 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:23.400 we don't know the answers, but you can start having conversations. 0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:29.200 And doing it from you know, I BC understand all 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.040 that stuff. It's just you know, you don't. 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:34.040 Have to make yourself force yourself into some controversial spot 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:35.239 like you can do it with I don't know. The 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:36.800 only word that's coming to my head is, I guess elegance, 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:37.440 which sounds. 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:41.799 A little weird. You you don't want to You don't 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.720 have to force yourself to do something or say something 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:48.879 because it's gonna look good right now, or don't say 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.000 something because it's not gonna look good, you know. And 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:52.799 I think that's what we've been for most of the part, 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:54.719 uh most of the time. But I know think guys 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.480 are starting to say things because I do think they're 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.120 actually genuinely, genuinely care. And then you know, on the 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.200 other side of it, there's always going to be just 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.279 like the riots and the protest, there's always going to 0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.640 be those who aren't doing it for the right reasons. 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.440 Similar sure out there not even protesting, they're just spray 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:11.120 painting stuff. 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.399 They're just like, you know, you can see people saying, home, hey, 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:15.799 we got this movement going on, like let's go, let's 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:17.680 go get back at the cops in the city for 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:18.719 what they've done to us. 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:20.360 And they're just out there tearing. 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:25.920 There's stuffing up. So you know, I think things are 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.719 going to move in the right direction. I don't. I 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:31.480 don't want anything else to be like destroyed, uh or 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.279 people to lose out all money or anything. But I 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.400 definitely do think the system does need to be destroyed. 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:41.879 Yeah, well, I can't have RG on and not talk 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:45.200 about some ball because you have you have an interesting story, 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:47.080 you do, you have an interesting journey. 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:48.239 I know from my. 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.239 Own experience with RG three for everybody listening, when I 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:55.960 was undrafted in my first interaction in the building, because 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:59.000 I can vividly fucking remember this, and. 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:02.279 I was hype, is I'm gonna draft the cat? 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.560 Go in? You know, I got I had what I 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:08.280 had going on, and RG comes out the elevator. 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.320 You were on the first the bottom of the player floor. 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:12.160 You came out the elevator and we were about to 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.680 go out to the rookie mini camp, and you just 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:16.600 stuck out your fist and you're like, hey, good luck 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:18.840 out there, man. And I remember dipping you up and 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.839 like walking by you, and I was sinking to myself, like, Yo, 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.319 that is r G three. And this was after your 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:27.279 rookie year, you know what I mean? Like this is 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:31.600 what you know? Hey, that was RGIE three. Just RGIE three. 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:35.839 Just dap me up. And you go from having an 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:37.880 incent and I'm gonna let you talk about it because 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.520 you're gonna You're gonna give me some education on it too, 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:44.880 because I'm very curious. And you you went from being 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:48.239 the face of the Redskins, and I was there when 0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.839 it was kind of filtering down, like I was trying 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:51.920 to come up in my way. 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:53.440 You were you. 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.560 I'm gonna let you talk about it, right, And you 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:59.759 go off the Redskins and then where you were a 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:01.720 year a free agent right after the Skins? 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:03.960 Or did you go somewhere else first and then you were. 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.640 I went somewhere first. I went to Cleveland, then sixteen, 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.560 and then I was out in seventeen. 0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:09.200 That's right. 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:12.239 And you spent a whole year off, all year off 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:13.640 and still working on your craft. 0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:14.360 I'm talking abou. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:20.319 Yeah, yeah, I saw all your videos and you kept 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.799 at it like you persevered through you know, a lot 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.200 of adversity that you went through in that middle part 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.920 of your career and to re revamp it, re light it, 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.399 reignite it in Baltimore, and it seems like you're having 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:32.840 a hell of a time out there. And I always 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.120 get stoked when you get out there and it just 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:38.640 looks like you're having so much fun playing again. And 0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:42.520 I'm just so curious to learn about the story of 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:45.359 RG three a little bit and to walk me through 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.520 the beginning too, because I was looking. I was on 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.400 your Wikipedia page and seeing all your athletes, Like I 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:52.920 knew you were a beast in college because we played Nebraska, 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.480 played against Baylor one year you were out because you're 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:59.839 you were I think you had a yeah when you 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:03.840 hampton Nebraska, you ran all over us, which I'm sure, 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:06.200 I'm sure our stadium was probably your favorite of all time. 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:09.680 Free shoutout, go be Grad. But I remember people being like, yo, 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:11.120 who in the hell is this? And it's like, you know, 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.400 he was like you were like number one in America. 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.640 The worlds were like hurdling, and you were like you're 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.160 a world class track athlete as well at this time. 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.839 Then you go from first round pick, Heisman Trophy winner, 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:24.319 you got accolades, list, list list, offensive, Rookie of the Year, 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.480 playoff game, taking the skins of the playoffs where you know, 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.319 and then your knee happens, like talk talk about your 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.320 story for me a little bit, and talk about going 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.160 into the Redskins, your rookie year. 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:37.200 Talk about your rookie year. 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:41.480 Yeah. So, I mean the grand scheme of it all 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:46.480 has just been a it's been an amazing story testimony 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.759 that I that I would love to share some type 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:50.879 of capacity when it's. 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:54.600 All said done well on the bus, Yeah, on the bus. 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.120 On the bus, dude, you know, on here with you 0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.120 guys in a buck somehow some way, because I think 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:05.520 it's just been an eye opening experience. So, you know, 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.000 first I would say that when I came into the league, 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:10.759 I'm not a kid who has uh what is it 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:11.640 an NFL. 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:14.040 Pedigree, right, I don't have a I didn't have a 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:18.000 dad who played, or an uncle who played or some 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:20.440 or you know, a grandfather who played in the league. 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.120 So everything was new, uh to me, And it was 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.279 riding riding off of the success that we had at 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.000 Baylor and came in as a rookie. So when I 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:33.400 came in as a rookie, it was, uh, you know, 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.400 just trying to prove to everybody that, like I was 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.080 worth everything they gave up. I didn't ask them to 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.000 give that stuff up, but I wanted to. 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:42.680 Well, yeah, but you're you're I mean, just to give 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:46.120 people perspective, like you're saying it now like you're explaining it, 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.200 but you're what how old are you. 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:50.560 At that time? I think I was. I was twenty 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:51.239 two years old. 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.560 Twenty two years old face of a franchise. 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:57.440 You're your top five pick, Like, I mean, I get it, dude, 0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.680 Like you're a kid coming in and you're yeah, you're 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.480 trying to prove everybody like, yo, I'm the new young 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.800 I'm the man, right and hey, I'm the man in 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:11.120 this piece Washington Dude, Like, yeah, you're always trying to 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:15.080 like for sure, dude, I I yeah, there's like you. 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:17.799 And I'm not trying to talk about it, right, I'm 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:21.719 not trying to do anything, uh that that a rookie 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:24.960 is not supposed to do. You know, we had Santana Moss, 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:27.680 we had Chris Cooley, we had all these veteran guys, 0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.600 and I'm like, I'm starstruck when I when I walk 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:32.520 in the locker room, they sit me next to London 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:38.360 Fletcher right, and football right knows that London was like 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:43.200 that guy in Washington. He was that dude. So when 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.399 I got there, I'm like, oh man, I'm I'm right 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.759 right next to London Fletcher every single day and I 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:51.440 get to throw the ball to Santana Moss and I 0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:55.080 get to the ball Chris Cooley, Like I'm like, I'm 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:57.520 losing my mind as a rookie, like this is incredible. 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.040 And you know, you come in and you make your 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.359 mistakes right, and you get better, and you make your 0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:05.440 mistakes and you get better as you know, and you 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:09.440 slowly figure it out. And for me, London was a 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.640 big part of that because I had to go against 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:15.560 him every day in practice. So Shanahan's system wasn't the 0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:20.280 easiest system to maneuver and operate, especially as a rookie. 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.439 So when his check recheck, check recheck, and I'm having 0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:26.920 a check recheck against one of the greatest mill linebackers 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.960 of all time, Like that's not fun. I make a check. 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:31.120 He knows what check I'm making. 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.160 Oh, no question. He's a stud. 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:35.240 Either that or he read the script. 0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.760 You know that ongoing argument every day. Y'all knew what 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:40.120 was coming. 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:45.000 It's like, no, so rechecking. I'm like, okay, well it's 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.800 cover zero. I make the check and London's like, check 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.520 to cover two. So I check back. He checks back 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:52.840 to cover zero. I go to coach. I said, hey, Kyle, like, 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.040 what am I supposed to do? Like the dude knows 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.000 all the calls, he's making all the checks, and Kyle 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.360 just says, I don't just go play ball. And for 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:05.880 me there was this sense of just go play ball, 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:09.080 my rookie year, go play ball. I didn't know everything, right, 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:10.840 I didn't. I knew the offense, but I didn't know 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.480 everything that the NFL was going to present. And uh, 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.720 you know, that run against the Vikings was a complete 0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.400 misread by me. That that touchdown run my rookie year, 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:22.640 the seventy sixth year or whatever it was, It was 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:25.800 a misread by me. I saw the two backers in 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.680 the middle of the formation, and I thought I was getting, 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.160 you know, some type of cover zero or that I 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:33.080 was going to be hot. So I had to make 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.040 a decision either throw the ball hot or run, and 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.640 I decided to run and everybody was blocked. 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:42.720 I remember, I. 0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:45.560 Remember vividly because I think, uh man, I think it 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:49.800 was Evan Royster was it might have been the running back, Yeah, 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:53.000 it was. It was your typical double A blitz, which 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:54.920 I know now was a double A blitz, and they 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:56.960 didn't bring anyone extra. They didn't bring a dB or 0:58:57.000 --> 0:59:00.640 safety from either side, and everybody got blocked. So the 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:02.480 defense was like kind of shocked that I took off 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:05.280 running because they're thinking, oh, it's third and like five 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.480 or six or seven, he's gonna throw the ball. So 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:11.000 I'm running the sideline and coaches. I can see Kyle 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:13.600 and I can see Mike, and they're both saying get down, 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.440 get down, get down, because all we needed was the 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.400 first down to win. All we needed was the first 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.480 down to win the game. And I like looked and 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:22.520 I looked at the safety, which I think was Harrison 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:25.120 Smith at the time. I'm like, I can get past 0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:33.480 this guy. So white guy, I said, I think I 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:37.040 can outrun him. Out ran there and then I scored 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:39.360 the testdown and like the rest is history. But it 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:41.360 was like little things like that were happening in my 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:44.400 rookie year, and slowly but surely I was winning over 0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:48.320 the guys in the locker room because of the play 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:51.000 on the field and because of, you know, just the 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.600 hard work. When you came in, did you come in 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.480 You came in Channion's second year or my second year. 0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:59.520 Or yeah, I came in the year you were you 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:01.640 were re having to get your knee back. 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.400 Right, correct, So so I came. 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:06.080 I came the year after your guys's uh, you guys 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.720 had like a hell of a year coming back, bring 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:09.600 it to the playoffs. 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:11.680 I came the year where it was bad. 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.400 But you remember we when we came back in thirteen, 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:16.680 everyone's like, oh man, these guys went to the playoffs 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:19.240 last year. It's going to be a great year. We're 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.160 gonna do this. We're gonna do that. We're gonna do this. 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.840 And we came out and we were flat right. We 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:29.560 just I remember vividly in twenty thirteen, it was like 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:32.840 almost every game we came out and like first second 1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:36.160 quarter it was twenty one and nothing, fourteen and nothing, 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.160 and we were fighting from behind every single game. I 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:41.440 remember the Packers like I don't know if you remember 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:45.200 that Packers game. D Y had like a super long touchdown, 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:48.840 like a six year second catch out of the backfield, 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.840 but we were down like twenty eight to nothing by 1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.360 like midway through the second quarter something like that, right, 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.160 And it just it didn't click for us that year. 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:00.800 And I know why it didn't click. It didn't click 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:03.600 because our chemistry wasn't the same. 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I did? 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:55.640 And there was I mean, you know, I don't know 1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:59.040 there were from what I had heard, there were decisions 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:02.800 and stuff that were happening on actual game day even Yeah. 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:05.160 So, like I said, I didn't want to I don't 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:06.840 want to dive too much into it, but there was 1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:11.840 a lot of turmoil around my injury. I got hurt 1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:14.880 against the Ravens, which is, you know, kind of ironic, 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:19.280 but I I got heard against the Ravens. I sat 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:22.080 out a game against the Browns, and then I came 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:26.200 back against Philly and I played the rest of that year. 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:30.560 But you know, everybody knew I was you know, I 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:32.200 was compromised to. 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:35.160 If you could go back, would you have played that game, 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:36.000 that playoff game? 1:03:37.000 --> 1:03:39.880 Uh? If I went back, I wouldn't have gone back 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:43.760 in I got I was, I was okay in the 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.800 beginning of the game, and we jumped out I think 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:50.040 a fourteen to nothing lead, mm hmm, and then I 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:53.680 re injured my knee just like on a I was 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:56.520 rolled to the sideline, I threw my knee buckle. Something happened. 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:58.440 You know, when you're already compromised, it's like the weirdest 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.920 stuff happens that that for sure, something. 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:03.600 So and you already kind of fall to the ground 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:07.080 in a way you're just like, hey, exactly, fall to 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:08.320 the ground gracefully. 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.520 I'm sure all of Rescuing Nation is like, when they 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:13.080 hear this, you're gonna be like, oh, man, I knew 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:16.600 he shouldn't have went back in. Yeah I should. If 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:18.440 I could go back and do it again. Yeah, I 1:04:18.440 --> 1:04:23.080 wouldn't have gone back into the playoff game. But hindsight's 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:27.560 twenty twenty right for sure. I'm like watching this documentary 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:31.120 you know about you know, Lance Armstrong, right, and he's 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:35.479 I wouldn't do anything different. I'm like, bro, come on, yeah, 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:42.880 like anything like anything? So yeah, I mean, I think 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:44.880 to be to being honest with yourself, and I think 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:46.840 that's a big part of it, Like you learned that 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:48.240 over the course of your career, you've got to be 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:50.600 honest with yourself. I wouldn't have gone back into that 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:53.000 playoff game, but you don't know what you don't know 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.520 at that time. Yeah, if I hadn't gone back in, 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:58.200 then maybe maybe I would have. Maybe I'd still be 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:01.200 in Washington. I don't know. If I hadn't come back 1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:06.720 from the injury in twenty thirteen prematurely, maybe I'd still 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:09.919 be in Washington. But I don't hold on to those 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:13.000 things anymore because it's all part of the journey, and 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:15.600 now I can just I can take that experience and 1:05:15.840 --> 1:05:18.959 give it to other guys. But that's why I think 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:21.360 our chemistry was off. There was a ton of turmoil 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:27.080 between that. Mike was being torn apart in the media. 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:31.680 I tried to come to his defense, but no one 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:34.280 was listening at that time. They just felt like he 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:37.840 should have taken the responsibility and taken me out of 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:42.960 the game. And as you know, it's not like you know, 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:48.360 that team was like the most organized team of all time. 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:52.200 I try to say that with the utmost respect, you 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:54.440 know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not out here to 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:58.440 try to tear anybody down or tear any other organizations down. 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:00.760 I'm just trying to do the I can do right 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:05.760 now for Baltimore ratings. So that turmoil affected our whole 1:06:05.760 --> 1:06:08.520 locker room, and now guys are having to answer questions 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:11.040 every single day about what's going on with r G, 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:14.040 what's going on with with Mike, what's going on with 1:06:14.680 --> 1:06:17.080 the doctor, what's going on with his knees. He's gonna 1:06:17.080 --> 1:06:19.840 be ready for the Season's it's gonna happen. Oh what 1:06:19.920 --> 1:06:21.200 if he gets hurt next year, are you going to 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:22.720 pull him out of the game? And it was just 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:28.320 like it was from that standpoint of it to where 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:30.040 you didn't know what the right answer was. 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:32.520 Well, Washington media is crazy too, Hey. 1:06:32.440 --> 1:06:33.800 Am I gonna? Am I gonna come back and be 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:36.200 ready for week one? Yeah? I mean why wouldn't I? 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:38.880 Why wouldn't I want to do that? And then it 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:41.480 just became this whole thing of well, why would he 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:43.440 come back for week one? And why would he do this? 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:46.640 And why would he do that? And Uh, I think 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:50.560 that really affected our team. You know, it became for 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:54.360 a lack of better a better explanation, it became all 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:58.360 about me, and I think that really affected the locker 1:06:58.440 --> 1:07:02.600 room to the stand point of, you know, what the 1:07:02.640 --> 1:07:07.320 hell is going on? So I learned that, and uh, 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:09.920 don't get me wrong, I made mistakes, uh in my 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:13.440 time in Washington, you know, going back into that playoff 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:16.120 game and fighting to play so so hard? 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:17.920 Did you did you? Did you? 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:21.080 Was it like the competitive pride to want to go 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:22.960 back in and play without a doubt? 1:07:23.040 --> 1:07:24.280 You know? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:27.720 I know, I know it was in front of you, right, 1:07:27.760 --> 1:07:31.040 it didn't matter. Uh, it can be London Fletcher. You'd 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:35.520 be like, I'm the best linebacker they need me. 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:36.360 Yeah. 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:42.080 That's just our nature, right, Our nature is to want 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:45.680 to play. So when you get hurt, uh, you know, 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.240 some of us like to think of ourselves as gladiators, 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:51.240 as superheroes. You have one or two responses. The one 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:55.240 response is all right, I'm done, I'm not gonna play anymore. 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:58.400 And and you know, for myself, I think that's a 1:07:58.440 --> 1:08:02.360 selfish response. The other responses, I got to be out 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:04.960 there with my brothers. I have to put it all 1:08:05.000 --> 1:08:07.720 on the line, and I don't think that's a selfish response. 1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:10.240 It is up to other people to try to pull 1:08:10.280 --> 1:08:14.200 you out of that. But you should always want to play, right, 1:08:14.280 --> 1:08:17.599 I think that's that's in our DNA. You always want 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:19.800 to play. Your leg could be falling off and you're like, 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:24.440 tape it up. I can go, yeah, And if you can't, 1:08:24.600 --> 1:08:27.760 you know it's their job to tell you, nanna sit out. 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:30.960 You're not going to do that right now. So I 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:33.519 think that that really affected our team at thirteen, and 1:08:33.520 --> 1:08:37.040 then obviously fourteen we got a new coach and like 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:40.200 I said, all that stuff, I'll definitely write about someday. 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:45.000 Book, but shout out the new book. 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:48.559 RG baby. I'll write about that stuff another day. But 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:51.280 I think it was just it was it was tough 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:54.400 to go from Yeah, I mean, I think anybody would 1:08:54.439 --> 1:08:56.840 would say it was tough to go from being the 1:08:56.880 --> 1:09:01.599 face of that franchise, face of the league toy by 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:04.680 a little I mean three years later twenty fifteen, I 1:09:04.680 --> 1:09:09.559 didn't play a snap, right, Remember I was, uh, you know, 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:12.320 I was playing scout team safety. 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:14.799 I know, dude. 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:17.400 You go from that to that, and you're like, Okay, 1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:21.720 how did this happen? You go from helping the team 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:25.400 win the division for the first time in twelve years 1:09:25.439 --> 1:09:27.160 I think nineteen ninety nine was the last time they 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:29.600 won the division and you go to the playoffs for 1:09:29.600 --> 1:09:32.280 the first time in a while, and then three years 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:34.680 later you're like, damn, I didn't they didn't even give 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:37.919 me time to develop or time to overcome these injuries, 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:39.840 because that was a big part of it for me too. 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:41.639 It was the injuries. I told my h I broke 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:46.120 my ankle. Uh. And then there was the phantom made 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:53.559 up concussion in twenty fifteen in the preseason. But let 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.719 me not go let me not go there. It's uh, 1:09:56.920 --> 1:09:59.920 that's part of the story. It was part of the story, 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:01.799 and I just look at him like man Like Matthew 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:04.160 Stafford got hurt his first two three years in the league, 1:10:04.439 --> 1:10:07.120 and they stuck with him and gave him opportunity. I 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:11.960 didn't get that luxury, and in twenty seventeen, I let 1:10:12.040 --> 1:10:14.640 that go. That's why I can talk about it freely now. 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:17.879 Not there's no animosity. It's like, this is what happened, 1:10:18.840 --> 1:10:21.479 and now I'm moving forward. So what I'm praying for 1:10:21.560 --> 1:10:22.840 is that I get a chance to play for the 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:26.040 next ten years. Because quarterbacks we can play for day 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:30.120 there forever. So I'm thirty. I'd love to play into 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:32.640 my forties, but I want to play for another ten 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:35.880 years at least. And now I'm praying that and through 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:38.800 the work ethic and the hard work that now I'll 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:42.360 be blessed with the luxury of getting that time, staying 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:46.800 healthy for the remainder of my career and playing at 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.800 a high level. So for me, I've been healthy for 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:53.479 the past three years and I think that'll continue. Just 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:55.599 need an opportunity, and the Ravens have given me one 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:57.360 right now in this capacity, and I'm going to make 1:10:57.360 --> 1:10:59.040 the most of it so that when I do get 1:10:59.080 --> 1:11:03.640 my opportunity to be a start again, I'm ready. 1:11:03.760 --> 1:11:04.280 Yeah, I mean. 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:07.720 And the thing too that you know, I hope people 1:11:07.800 --> 1:11:10.000 understands how much fun you have that you've been having 1:11:10.080 --> 1:11:12.559 doing it and making this kind of like comeback, you 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:14.400 know what I mean, Like it's a cool story, like 1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:19.320 you hate that it happened now without going into much 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.559 detail on the other side of the fence, that will 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:24.120 probably be in your book. If you could talk to 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.800 if you could talk to young RG during those first 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:30.760 few years, what kinds of things would you tell yourself 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:34.160 that you could have that you could have probably went about, 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:38.800 not things, but maybe maybe playbook wise, maybe learning wise, 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:40.639 Like what advice would you have given your young self 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:42.040 back then if you could go back and be like 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:44.720 and grab yourself by the head and be, hey, make 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:47.599 this decision or don't write it like this, or maybe 1:11:47.600 --> 1:11:49.840 it's reading media stuff. I don't know what it is, 1:11:49.920 --> 1:11:52.599 but speak on yourself a little bit about some things. 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:53.040 That you might. 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:58.240 You know, this has always been a tough thing for 1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:01.680 me because I have I've had this question before and 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:04.720 I've and I've answered it. The tough part is that, like, 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:08.360 you know, me come. There was some some storylines that 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:12.479 were just not true. Sure, there was some there were 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:15.120 some media reports that just weren't true, whether it was 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:18.920 about the locker room, about myself, I am, my study habits, 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:21.160 or whatever it may be. Anyone who's ever been a 1:12:21.160 --> 1:12:24.519 teammate of mine knows that those things weren't true. So 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:27.840 I'm like, Okay, well what I have told myself. One 1:12:27.880 --> 1:12:30.000 of the mistakes I really felt like I made was 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:35.960 I used to talk after Mike in the media. It's 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:37.599 just the way the wrestlings had a set up, right. 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:40.720 Mike would talk, and then I would talk, and I 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:47.200 felt like sometimes I was too anti what was being said, 1:12:47.720 --> 1:12:51.000 if that makes sense. If it was, hey, are you 1:12:51.040 --> 1:12:53.679 gonna come back and be ready week one? They would 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:56.880 ask Mike that, and Mike would say, you know, we're 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:59.599 gonna be cautious, We're gonna, you know, take our time. 1:12:59.640 --> 1:13:02.400 We're not sure if he's gonna be ready. The doctors 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:05.240 will make that decision. And then I would come afterwards 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:06.519 and they would ask me, here, are you gonna be 1:13:06.560 --> 1:13:08.400 ready for week one? And I'm like, there's no doubt 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:09.920 I'm going to be ready for week one and I'm 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:12.679 gonna be And I felt like I in those instances 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:15.320 I put him in a tough situation because he was 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:17.680 saying things and then I would come back behind him. 1:13:17.720 --> 1:13:20.160 And I wasn't contradicting it, but I was more like 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.840 I was way more aggressive in that approach, and that 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:24.840 was my that was my personality. And I felt like 1:13:24.920 --> 1:13:29.439 sometimes I could have just said, hey, you know, talk 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:32.040 to coach, talk to the doctors. I'm gonna do everything 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.280 I can, but they're gonna make the final decision or 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:36.720 whatever it may be, right right, And I did say 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:38.920 they're gonna make the final decision, but I just said 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.000 it way more aggressively, you. 1:13:40.960 --> 1:13:41.839 Know, right. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:46.000 Personality is, Hey, RG, you think you could go make 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:48.519 the Olympic team right now in the foreigner hurdles. Yes, 1:13:49.360 --> 1:13:51.960 if I go training, yes I can do. I don't know. 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:53.920 I'm two hundred and twenty pounds. I don't know if 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.480 I could make the Olympic team in the foreigner hurdles. 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:58.720 I love those guys. These guys are incredible. I mean, 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:00.679 I'm not gonna go train for two weeks and be like, Yep, 1:14:00.720 --> 1:14:02.240 I can do it. But if you asked me to 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:05.400 do it. I try, you know, so I feel like 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:08.080 I could have done a better job, a better better 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:10.320 job with that. But there was a lot of things 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:13.320 that were being said that just rubbed me the wrong 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:17.559 way because I knew they weren't true. And that is 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:21.000 where I would say I could have ignored it better. 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:24.280 You know, Yeah, I mean it, dude, It is hard, 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:25.719 especially in Washington. 1:14:26.000 --> 1:14:31.680 Put it in context, like you're in the nation's capital, right, Uh, 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:35.400 Barack Obama's the president, and you got a black quarterback. 1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:42.160 Screwtiny is at all time high. Okay, Right, that was 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:45.679 the part where I felt like, you know, just ignore 1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:49.719 the noise. Ignore the noise, don't let it affect anything. 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:56.200 Don't don't don't make it change you. You know what 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:59.160 I'm saying. Yeah, And I think by the time you 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:02.479 you probably attested by the time I left Washington, I 1:15:02.560 --> 1:15:03.799 was not having fun anymore. 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:06.960 Right, you would try to force it in practice like 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:08.040 on the peace squad side. 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:09.160 But yeah, I mean, yeah, for. 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:13.439 Sure, I showed that. I never showed that to you guys, 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:20.960 but you Niles d Y like we were close. They 1:15:21.040 --> 1:15:24.200 knew I wasn't having fun. But I did my job. 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:27.000 I was a good teammate in twenty fifteen. I was 1:15:27.080 --> 1:15:29.720 not a cancer on that team. We won the divisions. 1:15:30.920 --> 1:15:34.439 Yeah I did. I didn't play a snap of football, right. 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:36.479 I did what I was supposed to do. They asked 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:38.599 me play scout team safety. I play scout team safety. 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:40.200 You know, I stayed out to practice. I got my 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:44.200 work in, work on my craft. And but every people 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:45.479 who knew me, I knew I wasn't having fun, but 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:47.160 I never showed that in the building. I showed up 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:49.679 to meetings. I was. I was into it. I was helpful. 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:53.439 I helped uh, you know Kirk Doll the do all 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:57.000 the studying and the recognition on the field, whatever it 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.559 may be that you're supposed to do. I did those things. 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:02.200 I'm not for a pet on the back form. It's 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:08.640 just that's what happened and what I'm doing now in Baltimore, 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:12.320 and that year off of football helped reset me, helped 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:16.080 me have fun again. When I came back in twenty eighteen, 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:19.360 I played in the preseason like I'm a you know, 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:22.640 second overall pick. I'm not a guy that like was 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:26.000 living for the preseason. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:30.000 guess what that was my situation. I was the fourth 1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:33.439 quarterback on the roster. You know, I had to accept that, Like, damn, 1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:36.040 I'm the fourth quarterback on the roster. I was getting 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:40.000 two reps a day in practice for the majority of 1:16:40.040 --> 1:16:42.439 training camp. I'm like, you know, I'm not getting a 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:44.240 lot of reps. I'll stay at to practice, I'll do this. 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:46.800 But I know that I can ball. And I went 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.800 out that preseason and I played my ass off, and 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:52.040 I think that's why I made the team. I think 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:54.559 that's why they brought me back for the two year deal, 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:57.240 because they understand that I'm always going to be ready 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:00.439 and that year, the year a football in twin seventeen, 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:04.080 really helped me reset my brain really start having fun 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:06.240 playing the game again, and I think that's a big 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:07.439 reason why I was able to come back in the 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:07.960 way they'll. 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:11.320 Have you think. You think being out of football, being 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:12.360 out of football. 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:17.400 For a year was was a huge play for you 1:17:17.439 --> 1:17:19.800 to actually get in the right headspace to come back again. 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:20.719 Correct. 1:17:20.960 --> 1:17:22.479 I think I was going to ask, I was going 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:24.920 to ask if that was your lowest year mentally, but 1:17:25.040 --> 1:17:28.400 you're you you what was your lowest point throughout the 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:31.439 process of transitioning out of Washington and then rekindling it 1:17:31.479 --> 1:17:33.439 all in the Baltimore Ravens because I want to know, 1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:37.440 I want to know about your perseverance in that adversity 1:17:37.479 --> 1:17:40.200 of being like, you know, low key, I might be 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:41.680 you know what I mean. 1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:45.479 Yeah, yeah, I would say that. You know, football is 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:47.320 a team game, so it's hard to say. Hey, twenty 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:49.360 fifteen was my was my lowest year. It was it 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:51.920 because we were winning and we weren't winning a ton 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:53.920 as you know we were. I think we're nine and 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.320 seven or yeah, we won. We had that one division, 1:17:57.360 --> 1:18:04.200 but the division was down that year. That was like chaotic. 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:08.639 Also though if you remember, yeah, remember we played Philly. 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:11.400 I think it was Philly. I think it was Philly, 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:16.520 and like, uh at Philly took me instead of killing. 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:17.920 The Yeah yeah, yeah, that was the game we won 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:18.479 the division. 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:20.200 We won the division that game, but he took a 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:22.200 knee at halftime instead of killing the clock for us 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:25.479 to kill kick a field goal. And I'll never forget. 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:28.800 Like I'm on the side and I'm like what just happened? 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:31.519 And we're like walking in and we walked in the 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.519 locker room, and I mean this is I'm pretty sure 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:35.680 if somebody has already told this story before. But like 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:40.559 Pierre is like about to whoop Jay's ass, and uh, 1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:43.599 Deshaun is about to whip Jay's ass, and like Deshaun 1:18:43.680 --> 1:18:47.680 passes out in the locker room and what is going on? 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:52.680 And then it happened and won the game? Yes, all right, 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:56.800 well we just won the division. I don't know how 1:18:56.840 --> 1:18:58.920 it happened. I don't know what was going on at halftime, 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:02.080 but we won the division. Yeah. So I can't say 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:04.960 that because I was I didn't you know, any any 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:07.680 guy is gonna want to play, right, But from my 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.599 team and the guys that I was there with, I 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:13.960 was really happy for them in that moment. Twenty sixteen 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:17.320 was tough because I got hurt right away. I came 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:18.800 out in the I came out in the preseason in 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:20.920 Cleveland and we were killing it. I had Josh Gordon 1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:23.639 there and we were doing really well. And we went 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:26.599 to Philly and I broke my shoulder right away. That 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:31.760 was a tough year. We lost every game until I 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:35.600 came back on Christmas Day and we beat the Chargers. 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:38.400 So I'm thinking in my head, all right, you know 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:41.080 I was injured. I came back helped them win a game. 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:44.400 I'll be back next year. I'll get one more go 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:47.200 at it. They're probably gonna draft a rookie high and 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:48.760 I'll have one more go out of here and we'll 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:51.720 go go about our ways. And they told me we're 1:19:51.720 --> 1:19:53.800 bringing you back, and then they released me. 1:19:54.320 --> 1:19:57.800 So it's got I hate that part of the business. 1:19:57.400 --> 1:19:59.519 Brou I hate that part of the business. But it's 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:01.439 you know, you want to say, just be honest, right, 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.360 don't don't lie to me. And I mean it was like, 1:20:04.360 --> 1:20:08.880 within like sixteen hours, I got a call. I got 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.120 a call, We're bringing you back. Don't worry about any 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:14.000 of this stuff. I think it was when they trade 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:17.240 it for brock Oswaller. So I'm like, okay, I'll compete 1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:19.960 with Brock. You know I used to kick his ass 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:21.519 in training when we were coming out for the draft. 1:20:21.520 --> 1:20:24.759 So let's go yeah, yeah, no doubt, dude. 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:26.519 We're not We're going to try to trade him and 1:20:26.520 --> 1:20:28.760 get rid of Himn't worry about that. We're bringing you back. 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:31.240 We're rolling with you. We might draft the guy, but 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:33.800 you know you're going to get a shot. I'm like, okay, cool. 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:38.160 Sixteen hours later, I got the call that I was, Oh, 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:43.559 what's going on? So now that's transitioning from that happened 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:47.360 in twenty seventeen. So now I'm thinking, Okay, they let 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:49.960 me go. I'm gonna get another opportunity. Yeah, I'm not 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:52.360 might not get paid as much money, but I'm going 1:20:52.400 --> 1:20:53.880 to get an opportunity to go and compete to be 1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:57.280 a starter. And I got an offer from the Cardinals 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:03.240 to come in with Bruce Airings and uh, he had 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:07.200 just brought in like Blaine Gabbard or something. And I remember, 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:09.479 like for like the past couple of years, I believe 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:13.640 it was uh, and who is the back up for 1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:15.320 the Browns last year? 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:17.479 Last year. 1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:21.840 He's real good drinking buddies with Bruce Arions and and 1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:34.360 with the Cardinals was Stanton Yeah, yeah, yeah, yest name 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:38.479 Drew stand was a backup and I think Carson was 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:40.200 still was still playing at that time. 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:40.960 Yeah. 1:21:41.160 --> 1:21:43.360 I'm like in my head, I'm talking to my agent 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:45.920 at the time. I'm like, yeah, you know, Drews has 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.559 come in and not played well, but Bruce really likes him. 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:50.920 He's good for the room, he's good for Carson. And 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:54.040 they just they just signed or brought in Blaine Gabbert, 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:55.519 So why would I go there. I'm gonna be the 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:59.040 fourth guy, odd man out and uh he said yeah, 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:02.360 but you know, and the contract they offered me, I'm like, okay, 1:22:02.400 --> 1:22:04.840 I can't take that contract. That's just a bad deal. 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:07.880 So I turned it down. He said, if you turn 1:22:07.960 --> 1:22:09.439 this down, I don't know if you're going to get 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:12.760 an opportunity to play until training camp. So I turned 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:15.200 it down, didn't get an opportunity, didn't get another call 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:17.360 till training camp, and then I had a try with 1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:20.799 the Chargers and I did really well. Killed the workout 1:22:21.160 --> 1:22:23.080 so much that they used it as levers to trade 1:22:23.120 --> 1:22:27.759 for Cardile Jones. Yeah. So they traded for Cardil Jones 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:30.840 because they're a pressure. They're pressure in the bills with 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:32.920 me saying, look, if you don't trade him to us 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:35.920 for whatever pick six round pick, then we're just gonna 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:40.200 sign RG three. So they traded for him, and I 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:43.040 got a call from the Baltimore Ravens in twenty seventeen 1:22:43.320 --> 1:22:46.160 when Joe Flaccol hurt his back and they said, we 1:22:46.200 --> 1:22:48.400 want you to come in. We're going to play, We're 1:22:48.400 --> 1:22:50.720 going to play the Redskins, but we want you to 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:56.200 start the game because they were trying to hide Ryan 1:22:56.240 --> 1:22:59.120 Malleck because they didn't know if Joe was going to 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:01.439 be healthy. I didn't want Male to get hurt playing 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:04.280 against the Redskins. I said, all right, man, like, why 1:23:04.280 --> 1:23:06.680 wouldn't I want to play against the Redskins? Right? 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:07.280 What? 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:07.639 Hell? 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:08.559 Yeah, let's go. 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:10.880 I WO love that. I said, Okay, look, I'll come in. 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:13.800 I'm ready to go like I've been training. I'm all 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:16.320 for it, but I need you to give me some 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:19.120 type of assurance that I'm not going to come in 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:22.800 for two weeks and be released. Because I don't know 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:25.600 if everyone knows this, but with quarterbacks, when you go 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.320 that route, there's no coming back from that. 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:31.959 Football is back. 1:23:31.840 --> 1:23:36.080 Boys two and Oh the Boys are two and O. 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:41.120 Sundays are back. 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NFL 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:43.559 Sunday Ticket dot Tv. 1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:50.080 Now, you don't go somewhere for two weeks in training camp, 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:51.720 get cut, and then all of a sudden, have a 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:55.240 ten year career. After that, Usually that happens and you 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:58.639 transition to some other style of life in your career 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:01.080 is over. And I felt like I couldn't risk that, 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:05.320 And at that time, Baltimore wasn't willing to give me 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:08.080 any type of assurance that you know, whether it be 1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:10.760 financially or verbally, that you're going to be here. We're 1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:13.479 not going to do that to you. So I turned 1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:15.640 it down. And when I turned that down, then I 1:25:15.680 --> 1:25:17.400 got I got a bunch of calls throughout the year, 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:21.040 but nothing really materialized to the point of a contract offer, 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:23.559 and I sat out the whole year, so I was 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:25.840 ready the whole football season, I was throwing one. 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:28.439 So and you could have actually tooken the chance to 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:31.200 go do that, and you just chose to turn it down. 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:34.719 I chose to turn it down on multiple occasions because 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:37.599 I felt like it just wasn't the right move. 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:38.719 Correct. 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:41.560 For sure, this is chess, It's not checkers, you know 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:44.120 what I'm saying, Like, you don't just take an opportunity 1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:47.320 because it's there, You take the right opportunity. And I 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:49.439 honestly felt in my heart that I made the wrong 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:53.200 choice by going to Cleveland, and I was making a 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:55.320 checkers move instead of a chess move. So I wasn't 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.400 gonna make that mistake again, and it cost me a 1:25:57.479 --> 1:26:00.559 year in my football career. Now, during that year, I 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:05.559 got to like settle my whole life, like what am 1:26:05.600 --> 1:26:08.920 I gonna do with or without football. I got to 1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:11.760 watch my daughter grow up, I got to spend more 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:16.360 time with my family out there every single day with me, 1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:19.200 and my wife was telling me, I'm out, I'm out 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:21.120 at the track. I'm in Miami. I was in I 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:22.680 was in Florida at the time. I'm out of the 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:26.559 track in Miami and I'm running three hundred hurdles okay, 1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:29.240 Because I was like, you know what, this is what 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:31.360 got me here. Why not go back to some of 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:33.920 this style of training so I can get my speed 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:38.040 and and and trusting all these other things back. I'm 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:41.400 running through in the hurdles, and uh, I'm dying. Come, 1:26:41.680 --> 1:26:49.519 I'm dying, like hurting, and like I get to I 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:50.960 have five reps of it and I get to the 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:53.240 fourth rep. I finish it and I'm like, you know, 1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:57.439 I'm like dead leg walking, you know, like knees aren't straight, 1:26:57.560 --> 1:27:00.880 knees are bent, no flextioning in the cas because I'm 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:03.599 just I'm I'm toast. And she says to me, she says, baby, 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:06.519 you don't have to do this. You don't have to 1:27:06.560 --> 1:27:11.800 do this, like financially secure, you don't have to play 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:14.040 another down in your life. I don't want to see 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:16.280 you get hurt, you know, going out there and playing. 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:19.559 And I said, nah, I said I have five, I'm 1:27:19.560 --> 1:27:22.759 gonna do five. Right. I didn't even address the other stuff. 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:25.639 I'm just like, I said I have five, I'm gonna 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:28.280 do five. And I did number five. And when I 1:27:28.320 --> 1:27:30.680 tell you, I couldn't fill my legs afterwards. It was 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:32.360 like the worst moment of all time. You ever get 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.960 so tired that like someone tries to like touch your 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:38.040 leg or stretch you, and you like, yeah, let them. 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:40.840 Like that's how how tired I was. 1:27:41.320 --> 1:27:43.800 When you start like you start like you're so exhausted, 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:45.679 you start paying a little bit, and you just don't 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:48.640 even really feel it, like you're just so that exhausted. 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:51.280 I tell us, she's like, come here. I'm like, no, 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:52.360 don't touch me, let me go. 1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:53.320 I was. 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:56.320 I was. I was toast And we talked about it 1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:57.840 later that day and I'm like, you know what, You're right, 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:00.879 I am financially secure. I don't have to play anymore. 1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:05.000 But something is keeping me going, something is telling me 1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:09.080 that this is what you're called to do, this is 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:13.040 where you're supposed to be. So that happened actually pretty 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.639 early in the season. So I'm coming. I'm going out 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:18.000 the whole year, and I'm throwing footballs at palm Trees 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:22.840 and I'm at UCF in the spring throwing footballs to 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:26.160 some of their wide receivers. And I get a call 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:29.680 from my agent and he says, I think I got 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:33.439 a couple of workouts lined up for you. He said, 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:35.840 the Ravens want to bring you in. They have a 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.639 couple of receivers coming in for you, and you're gonna 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:42.960 throw Like all right, cool, Like you want me to 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:46.479 work out, bro, that's not a problem. Go to the workout. 1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:51.160 It's Willie Snead and Michael Floyd. And when I tell 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:53.200 you how to ball hit the ground, not a ball 1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:55.480 hit the ground. It was like we have been practicing 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:57.880 for like ten years together. It was just like a 1:28:57.880 --> 1:29:01.280 match made in heaven. And they tell us after the workout, 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:03.080 they're like, hey, we're gonna we want to sign you 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:08.120 Willie and Michael Ford. So Willie signed first. I went 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:09.880 to another workout a couple of days later with the 1:29:09.960 --> 1:29:13.719 Jacksonville Jacksonville Jaguars, and I did. I killed that workout 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:17.600 as well. It was me, honestly, can't remember who the 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:20.719 other guys were. But Austin Davis, who now coaches for Seattle, 1:29:20.840 --> 1:29:22.360 he was one of the guys at that workout and 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:24.559 we're killing the workout and Austin's like, man, you you 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:27.720 look good. Man, Like I wish they wouldn't have pared 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:30.760 me with you to come to this workout because the 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:34.840 visual difference, the visual difference is like and I'm like 1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:36.479 laughing about it. I'm like, hey, man, you know you 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:42.840 look good to you did your thing, Like, hey, come on. 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:47.040 I got a call a couple days later from the 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:49.240 Ravens offering a contract, and it wasn't the contract that 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:51.800 I wanted, right. It was a bad deal for me 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.320 and in my point of my career. And I'm like, 1:29:54.640 --> 1:29:55.840 you know what, but at the end of the day, 1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:58.400 if I'm going to bet on anybody, I gotta bet 1:29:58.400 --> 1:30:01.439 on myself. So bet on myself. Took the deal. It 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:04.879 was a fourth quarterback on the roster behind Joe Flacco. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:08.280 Lamar got drafted. A couple of weeks later, we had 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:14.920 Josh Woodrum. It was the third quarterback who had like 1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:17.640 a really great preseason the year before. And there's me 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.599 and I had to fight through a lot. The cool 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:24.479 story about that year in twenty eighteen was we played 1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:27.960 the Dolphins in the third preseason game and coach told 1:30:28.000 --> 1:30:29.719 me at the beginning of the week, you're not playing 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.920 this week. So I'm like, you know, complaint. I'm now 1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:34.559 I'm in a situation where I'm like, am I going 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:35.280 to make the team? 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:37.200 Like I know, what are they? 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:39.240 What are they doing here? Like I'm like, this is 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:41.439 what I was fearing. Like I didn't want to come 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:44.200 back and be put in a situation like that because 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:49.519 it's not good perception wise for my career. But I'm like, 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:51.680 all right, you know, maybe it means I'm going to 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:53.160 make the team, and now they don't need me to 1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:55.519 play in this game because I've already solidified it right 1:30:56.640 --> 1:30:59.120 through all these scenarios in your head. I had already 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:02.000 solidified I already in the Hall of Fame game played well. 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:04.400 I played in the next game against the Colts, played well. 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:06.679 So I'm like, all right, I've done my thing. There's 1:31:06.680 --> 1:31:10.320 nowhere they're gonna let me go. So like after I didn't, 1:31:10.320 --> 1:31:12.439 I didn't practice it all that week, no reps at all. 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:15.840 I'm after practice every day, I'm going through the script 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:18.240 and I'm thrown. I'm like Okay, I'm gonna stay ready 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.679 just in case, right, just in case something happens. It's 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:24.400 not like he said, hey, RG, you're not dressing this week. 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:26.360 He just said, you know, you're not probably not gonna 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:28.960 play this week. Yeah, And I started that game. 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:35.559 Hey, way to stay ready though, That's what that's what 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:37.200 guys don't understand. 1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:40.479 Is because when your opportunity comes, you don't know. So 1:31:40.560 --> 1:31:42.639 I stayed ready, I ran through the script, I was thrown, 1:31:42.720 --> 1:31:45.920 I was doing all these things. And the night, the 1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:48.000 night before the game, he tells me, Hey, we're gonna 1:31:48.000 --> 1:31:51.920 sit the starters. H So there's a chance that you're 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:54.960 gonna play. And I'm like, nowhere is coach. I've been 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:58.600 staying ready. I'll be good. Day of the game, I 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:02.320 get a text message, Hey, RG, you're starting tonight. Now. 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:06.920 This is me starting without the starting left tackle, without 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:10.600 Marshall Yanda, without the two starting receivers, who at the 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:15.639 time were Michael Crabtree and John Brown, Smoky and uh 1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:21.080 going against the Miami Dolphins number one defense Cameron Wake 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:25.160 all these guys, you know, just heat seeking missiles off 1:32:25.200 --> 1:32:27.880 the edge, right, and we went out and we moved 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:29.840 the ball up and down the field on them, and 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:32.640 uh played great. And that's why I didn't even have to. 1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:35.080 We had the Redskins the next week, and everybody's like, oh, man, 1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:37.439 RG is gonna play against the Redskins in the preseason YadA, 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:39.320 yaha yah, And coach didn't even play me in that 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:42.840 game because I was ready to go against the Dolphins. 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.680 So it was it was a testament. And like for 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:48.080 the rest of that year, everybody just kept saying, hey, RG, 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:52.000 you ready, Yeah, we know you ready, and yeah. It 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:54.479 was just a thing with the locker room because they knew, like, 1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:56.839 how's this guy gonna go all week with no reps? 1:32:56.880 --> 1:33:00.120 Start the game, play well, hit the team and and 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:04.439 have this comeback story start. First time Baltimore kept three 1:33:04.520 --> 1:33:09.280 quarterbacks I think in like nine years. It was truly special. 1:33:09.360 --> 1:33:14.320 So the lowest point for me was probably also the 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.800 highest point, which was in twenty seventeen. Because you can 1:33:17.840 --> 1:33:22.160 never complain about spending time with your family. You can 1:33:22.160 --> 1:33:26.280 never sure for sure, you know, getting to watch your 1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:29.920 kids grow. And if I had if I had stayed 1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:32.040 home and been out of football that whole year and 1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:36.200 then lost the passion for the game and just was like, man, 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:38.519 I don't want to do it. You know, I'm gonna 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:39.840 go do this. I'm gonna go do that. I'm gonna 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:43.439 do this. I wouldn't be playing right now. I didn't 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:45.960 lose it. It made the fire inside of me grow 1:33:46.040 --> 1:33:49.280 even more, and it taught me a lot about myself. 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:50.880 I just think this is what Goy's called me to do. 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:57.240 He didn't be a backup quarterback, but right now, being 1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:00.920 honest with you, right now, that's my role and I'm 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:03.640 going to be the best at that role. And I 1:34:03.640 --> 1:34:06.439 think if you ask anybody in the Ravens organization, they'll 1:34:06.439 --> 1:34:09.320 tell you. You know, I show up to work every 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:12.280 single day to go out there and kick ass. I'm 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:15.879 not I'm not here to play games because I understand 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.960 how valuable it is. And I understood it in Washington, 1:34:19.000 --> 1:34:21.599 I understood it in Cleveland. But now having all those 1:34:21.640 --> 1:34:25.800 experiences in my belt, for understand how valuable this time 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:28.280 is and how much you have to make the most 1:34:28.280 --> 1:34:28.639 of it. 1:34:29.439 --> 1:34:30.800 For sure. That's you know. 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:33.400 I love hearing that, dude, And you said you said 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:36.120 it earlier, like I learned a lot about myself, Like 1:34:36.160 --> 1:34:38.880 that moment where you prepared that week not knowing if 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:40.519 you're going to start, because that's how a lot of 1:34:40.520 --> 1:34:43.800 stuff happens for guys, Like your opportunity comes just out 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:46.600 of nowhere, and if you fail at that opportunity, you 1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:49.000 know how you know how guys are. It's like, yeah, 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:51.559 but everybody has every reason in the book to say 1:34:51.600 --> 1:34:54.960 why you failed, but that that is the majority of 1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:57.160 just really life. 1:34:56.439 --> 1:34:58.840 Why the NFL, It's. 1:34:58.720 --> 1:35:02.160 Like being ready for all these opportunities and that's what's 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:04.439 gonna happen for you. Like for me, I would have 1:35:04.560 --> 1:35:07.880 never gotten my shot had Kenan Robinson not tourist Peck. 1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:11.320 The first practice of training camp, I was fourth on 1:35:11.360 --> 1:35:13.799 the depth chart. Another undrafted guy ahead of me, Jeremy 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:17.560 Kimbro and he had heard his hamstring right before the 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:18.479 first preseason game. 1:35:18.520 --> 1:35:20.080 So I got a shot to play with the twos. 1:35:21.000 --> 1:35:23.640 And then people come up to me like I remember Shanahan, like, oh, 1:35:23.680 --> 1:35:26.000 I should call you, mister interception because I think I 1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:28.040 got I picked on off from like you and Kirk 1:35:28.080 --> 1:35:30.919 one day in practice and you just start getting noticed 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:34.000 and you're just like you stick to like what you 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:37.240 were doing, even when you have every reason to like 1:35:37.479 --> 1:35:40.320 doubt yourself, doubt the experience and be like. 1:35:40.640 --> 1:35:42.760 I don't care if I'm done after this. You know 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:43.280 what I'm saying. 1:35:43.400 --> 1:35:44.720 Yeah, I know exactly what you say. I'm gonna go 1:35:44.720 --> 1:35:46.280 ahead and say that you probably didn't pick me off. 1:35:46.320 --> 1:35:47.040 But it's okay. 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:50.840 You can say, Hey, I'm gonna have to find that 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:52.640 film laughing it up. I'm gonna have to hit up 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:54.719 Big mic Hey, Big Mike get back in the video. 1:35:55.040 --> 1:35:57.840 Yeah. But no, you you you came in and it 1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:01.400 was it was just like, man, like these opportunities, it's 1:36:01.439 --> 1:36:03.200 not I wouldn't. I don't want to say fell into 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:06.400 your lap, because you definitely earned them. But whenever you 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:08.280 have a guy go down in front of you, you 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:10.960 you're not like, you're not praying for that. You're not 1:36:11.560 --> 1:36:14.920 you know, making that happen. It just happens. And when 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:19.599 you sat in there, you balled out, you know, like 1:36:19.960 --> 1:36:21.880 after a couple of weeks in training camp and and 1:36:21.920 --> 1:36:25.639 really after the first preseason game, most of us knew 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:26.719 you were going to make the team. 1:36:27.439 --> 1:36:29.160 It was met. 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:33.200 It was just a matter of Okay, well he's undrafted, 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:35.920 and they liked this guy, and maybe they paid this 1:36:35.960 --> 1:36:36.960 guy a little more money. 1:36:37.360 --> 1:36:38.439 For sure, they're going to do. 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:41.200 With that guy. It wasn't an issue of did you 1:36:41.240 --> 1:36:44.840 make enough plays? You made enough plays and uh, you 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:48.519 know that group you you Noiles, d Y and those 1:36:48.560 --> 1:36:51.680 guys were were always like like that. You know what 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:55.680 I'm saying. It was really cool to see that. But 1:36:56.720 --> 1:36:58.960 the guys have to understand that your opportunity is going 1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:02.400 to come when you least expected. And since that opportunity, 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:05.360 you know, like like you said, guys will have excuses. 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:07.920 I could have had the excuse. I could have said, well, coach, 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:09.240 you didn't give me any reps. 1:37:09.600 --> 1:37:11.080 Right, if you would have played bad, you would have. 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:17.200 Every every excuse in the book and every every reason 1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:21.080 to say this is why I didn't play well. But 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:24.679 the reason he kept me was because in a regular 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:27.840 season game, when you're used to being a starter, it's 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.600 really hard to be a backup. It's really hard to 1:37:30.640 --> 1:37:32.960 be a backup. Yes, and I'm and I'm not saying 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:35.160 like I'm too good for this, I'm too good for that. No, man, 1:37:35.200 --> 1:37:37.519 Look this is where I'm at. I'm I'm making the 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:39.240 most of it, but this is where I want to be. 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:41.280 You weren't the fourth guy on the on the depth 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:44.400 chart saying you know what, I'm the fourth guy on 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:48.559 the depth chart. Yeah, you were saying, I'm better than 1:37:48.560 --> 1:37:50.479 that guy. I'm better than that guy. I'm gonna go 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:52.000 show it. I'm gonna show it every single day, and 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:54.840 when my opportunity comes, I'm gonna make the most of it. 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:57.679 So they got to see me, with no reps all week, 1:37:58.360 --> 1:38:00.960 go out and perform at a high level. That's exactly 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:02.920 what every backup QB in the league has to do, 1:38:04.360 --> 1:38:06.920 no reps all week and then go out and play 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:09.920 at high level if your number is called. So I 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.200 think that gave them the confidence. And obviously what I've 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:14.920 done in the past in Washington and in Cleveland, when 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:19.200 I'm sure, also gave them that confidence. But it's just 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:22.920 I can't stress it enough. You have to be ready. 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:26.160 And I'll tell you this. That is what drove me. 1:38:26.600 --> 1:38:28.360 That is what drove me in fifteen when I didn't 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:32.320 play a down. That's what drove me in sixteen when 1:38:32.760 --> 1:38:35.320 I broke my shoulder. It's what drove me in seventeen 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:37.720 when I was out of ball. The only difference for 1:38:37.800 --> 1:38:40.960 me was I let go of DC. I let it go. 1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:45.400 I hadn't let it go yet, and I hadn't let 1:38:45.439 --> 1:38:48.800 it go until twenty seventeen when I was out, and 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:51.200 I didn't understand how much of a burden that was 1:38:51.240 --> 1:38:55.240 for me. You know, I'm like, it was not fair. 1:38:55.960 --> 1:38:58.920 I didn't get this opportunity. Me and you had the conversation. 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:01.760 After that conversation, I was like, like, I can't keep 1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:08.320 having this conversation. I can't keep having this conversation, like 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:11.200 and just like continue to hold on to that, and 1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:13.400 it's in it. You know, it's gonna sound cliche, but 1:39:13.400 --> 1:39:16.120 it set me free. It set me free to let 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:22.519 that go, to say, it happened, you learn from it. 1:39:22.520 --> 1:39:25.720 It happened. Now, what what do you want to do? 1:39:26.680 --> 1:39:29.280 And I did not want to be the guy that 1:39:29.439 --> 1:39:32.400 wasn't ready. So if I never played another down in 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:35.519 football after seventeen, after sixteen and I was out all seventeen, 1:39:35.560 --> 1:39:37.760 if I had never played another down, I looked my 1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:40.320 wife in the face and I said, it's not going 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:43.760 to be because of me. It's not going to be 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:46.880 because I wasn't ready. It's not gonna be because they 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:49.479 offered me a contract, and the ones that I turned 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:52.840 down last year, I wasn't going to accept. This year. 1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:55.200 I accepted the offer. I'm like I hate it. It's 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:58.439 a bad offer, but guess what, I'm gonna go play football. 1:39:58.920 --> 1:40:01.000 Yeah, And and then Lamar's reaction. 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:05.280 Two weeks later, Lamar got drafted. Two weeks later, I'm like, mother, 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:09.479 I know, are they gonna you know? You know how 1:40:09.479 --> 1:40:13.800 it goes, last guy in, first guy out. So I'm 1:40:13.800 --> 1:40:18.000 thinking to myself, all right, well, shoot, I just got signed. 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:19.640 I was the third one I got signed. Now they 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:23.719 draft Lamar, I'm the fourth. Are they gonna keep me here? 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:27.880 And I think the relation, obviously, the obvious thing is 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:32.519 that we're both African American quarterbacks, both Heisman Trophy winners, 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:36.080 and both dual threat quarterbacks. I think that value is 1:40:36.080 --> 1:40:40.120 what saved me, and and my reaction too. If I'd 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:41.920 have had a bad reaction to it, then I probably 1:40:41.920 --> 1:40:44.599 wouldn't have been in Baltimore. But my reaction and willing 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:46.600 to be a mentor to him, I think is what 1:40:46.720 --> 1:40:49.559 kept me in twenty eighteen. And then obviously my play 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:52.639 helped me make the team and all the other things. 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:55.600 Everything else is yeah, how is how is your relationship 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:56.040 with Lamar? 1:40:56.240 --> 1:40:57.000 Obviously good? 1:40:57.040 --> 1:40:59.080 But talk a little bit about Lamar and the steps 1:40:59.080 --> 1:41:01.639 he kind of made you in the year two. We'll 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:05.800 get into your playoff loss in a second, but I know, 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:07.360 but talk about Lamar a little bit. 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:12.160 Man, Yeah, I would say that. You know, I wasn't sure. 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:15.120 I didn't know. I didn't know much about LJ when 1:41:15.160 --> 1:41:18.400 he came in, so I wasn't sure you know how 1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:20.639 that was going to be. You know, I'm a guy 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:26.240 that I'm always competing, you know, right, It's just my nature. 1:41:27.000 --> 1:41:31.280 It's how I'm how I'm wired. I'm not wired to be, 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:36.920 you know, a backup. It's just that's how That's why 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:39.040 teams were reluctant to sign me in seventeen because they 1:41:39.040 --> 1:41:41.320 didn't they didn't want me to come in and they 1:41:41.479 --> 1:41:44.280 and challenge the starter to the level that they knew 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:50.000 I would challenge him, right, But with Lamar, I saw 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:56.800 that more as an opportunity to really work on myself, 1:41:56.960 --> 1:42:00.280 if that makes sense. Give him the guy said I 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:03.040 didn't have when I came in, You know, no offense 1:42:03.040 --> 1:42:04.400 to the guys that I had when I came in. 1:42:04.439 --> 1:42:08.200 But I had Rex Grossman and Kirk Cousins, two guys 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:10.080 that don't play ball like I played ball, two guys 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:12.679 that don't look like me. Two guys who haven't done 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:15.880 it the way that I've done it, and it was 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:21.240 it was less guidance and more just going out there and. 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:25.439 Competing every single day, right because one of them, one 1:42:25.479 --> 1:42:26.920 of them was in your draft, like Kirk was in 1:42:26.960 --> 1:42:29.599 your draft class, Like, yeah, a different setup. 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:32.760 Yeah, Kirk was in my draft class. And then Rex was, 1:42:33.160 --> 1:42:35.640 you know, the gun slinger who had been to the 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:37.920 playoffs with the Bears and was kind of, you know, 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:39.960 in the tail end of his career and bounced around 1:42:39.960 --> 1:42:43.120 a little bit with with Shannon, just having fun and 1:42:43.160 --> 1:42:46.799 you know, you know what passes. Yeah, no, look passes 1:42:46.840 --> 1:42:49.200 like Rex was. Don't get me wrong, Rex was awesome. 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.720 Like I enjoyed the time, but it wasn't like I 1:42:52.760 --> 1:42:56.559 had a quarterback to mentor me in the ways that 1:42:56.800 --> 1:43:00.960 Lamar has had with me over the past years. So 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.960 I wanted to be that for him. I let him 1:43:05.000 --> 1:43:07.840 know early on, like, look, man, I'm here for you. 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:11.320 If you got any questions, you can ask me. I 1:43:11.640 --> 1:43:16.439 constantly talked to him, but I'm also here to whip 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:21.840 your ass. Okay, spot, I want that spot, but I'm 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:25.280 here to help you. And our relationship in year two, 1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:30.400 I believe was better than Year one. Our relationship in 1:43:30.439 --> 1:43:32.519 year one wasn't bad. I think our relationship in year 1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:35.280 one was good. He came to me, talked to me, 1:43:35.360 --> 1:43:38.120 We talked about different things. I mentored him on certain things. 1:43:38.400 --> 1:43:42.519 But our relationship last year was was was was light 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.559 years ahead because I felt like a lot in year one, 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:49.040 I was having to go to him and say hey, this, 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.680 that and the other. And in year two he was 1:43:51.680 --> 1:43:56.559 coming to me. He was he was more actively trying 1:43:56.560 --> 1:43:59.639 to learn and ask me questions about certain things. Because 1:44:00.320 --> 1:44:04.160 he constantly reminds me of this. He says, hey, man, 1:44:04.680 --> 1:44:09.920 I ain't forgot you r G three like, and it 1:44:09.920 --> 1:44:12.120 makes me laugh because I'm like, yo, am I really 1:44:12.160 --> 1:44:15.720 that old? Like? Am I that old that he does that? 1:44:15.800 --> 1:44:19.559 He sees me that way, and you know, he does 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:22.240 see me that way. He sees me as as RG three, 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:24.240 And I think in year two he started to see 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:26.719 me as a brother. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:29.800 And that's what I want for him. Like I told 1:44:29.880 --> 1:44:32.080 him the other day, I wanted our Zoom meetings. I said, look, man, 1:44:32.320 --> 1:44:34.720 this has been awesome to be a part of this 1:44:35.120 --> 1:44:38.200 with you, to watch you blossom from year one a 1:44:38.280 --> 1:44:42.120 year two and go win the MVP and and put 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:43.760 up the numbers that you put up from all the 1:44:43.800 --> 1:44:46.360 hard work that you've done. And I let him know, like, Bro, 1:44:46.479 --> 1:44:49.679 that is you. You know that that's not me, That's 1:44:49.760 --> 1:44:53.360 not the quarterback coach or the offensive coordinator anyone else. 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:58.000 That is you. Now everyone has a part in it, correct, 1:44:58.080 --> 1:45:00.840 that is that is what you've done. And I told 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:02.599 him it's been fun to be a part of that, 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:05.200 you know, And I hit him with the classic I 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:08.519 don't plan on being the backup for forever, but it's 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:11.479 been fun. And he laughs, and then he comes back 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:14.160 and he says the thing that like means the most 1:45:14.240 --> 1:45:17.000 to me, you know, Like he's like, look, man, it's 1:45:17.040 --> 1:45:23.040 not just me. I needed you you guys to get 1:45:23.080 --> 1:45:25.920 it done. And I want you to know that this 1:45:26.040 --> 1:45:28.400 is us. And I'm like that means a lot, right, 1:45:29.000 --> 1:45:32.280 you know, I can always I was talking to a 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:34.720 guy in the building about us, said, look, I want 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:36.479 to win a super Bowl and I want to be 1:45:36.479 --> 1:45:39.120 the starting quarterback. But if there's ever a place that 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:41.320 I want to win a super Bowl and I have 1:45:41.400 --> 1:45:44.200 to be a backup, it'd be Baltimore. You know what 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:47.040 I mean. I don't think you have access to themselves. 1:45:47.360 --> 1:45:48.680 I just want to win a Super Bowl. I don't 1:45:48.680 --> 1:45:50.840 care how I get it done. It's a special moment 1:45:50.840 --> 1:45:53.000 no matter what. But I feel like the bond I 1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:56.000 have here in Baltimore, with the team, with the organization, 1:45:56.200 --> 1:46:00.679 with the starting quarterback makes it that much more special. 1:46:00.960 --> 1:46:01.200 Yeah. 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:04.880 Oh yeah, it's been. It's been a great relationship, man. 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:08.679 And I never in a million years thought from twenty 1:46:08.720 --> 1:46:13.040 twelve to twenty twenty that I'd ever be in this position, right, 1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:15.880 you know what I mean. But now that I'm in 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:20.240 this position currently, uh, I don't think that there'd be 1:46:20.280 --> 1:46:24.679 a better situation for me to be in, uh where 1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:26.360 I'm at. You know, we had a hell of a 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:29.200 ride last year, and I know you want to get 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:31.200 to the playoff loss, so I'll help you to segue there. 1:46:31.880 --> 1:46:33.080 That'll be my last question. 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:35.760 We had a hell of a year and I think 1:46:35.800 --> 1:46:40.200 I played more than any backup quarterback that didn't have 1:46:40.240 --> 1:46:43.720 an injury to the starter, right. You know, we were 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:44.800 blowing teams out. 1:46:44.840 --> 1:46:46.280 And that's what I'm saying. It's like a high school 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:48.479 It's like the back of a high school T shirt, dude. 1:46:48.280 --> 1:46:50.479 Where I'm like, you just kind of I'm like, I'm 1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:52.519 you know, I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, you know, 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:55.760 helping coach pick out plays and calls and whatever, giving 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:57.479 them idea should I say, because you know, I'm not 1:46:57.720 --> 1:46:59.120 I'm not the play caller, and they do a hell 1:46:59.160 --> 1:47:01.639 of a job, but you know, giving them I das 1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:04.640 from what I see and they're like, hey, you're in 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:10.439 next drive. I'm like what. I'm like, okay, let's go. 1:47:10.680 --> 1:47:12.640 Yeah, I've just been chilling. Hey, someone wore me up. 1:47:13.120 --> 1:47:13.400 I mean. 1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:16.439 The craziest thing was like the Miami game, first game 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:19.040 of the year. 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Add some swag 1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:42.000 to them saggy little boys down there, bro. 1:50:42.080 --> 1:50:48.280 Y'all were like the skuad dude like defense offense, like. 1:50:50.160 --> 1:50:53.200 Not gonna lie. We were on a roll offensively and defensively, 1:50:53.280 --> 1:50:57.719 and you know it was. It was a sad scene 1:50:57.720 --> 1:51:00.680 on the sideline, very sad, feel like it was a 1:51:00.720 --> 1:51:05.320 bye week. I think it was. I don't want to 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:07.400 say that, you know, I know It's. 1:51:07.320 --> 1:51:10.519 So hard because when you get to that spot, you 1:51:10.680 --> 1:51:13.880 want the bye week for your body. Yeah, but then 1:51:13.960 --> 1:51:16.600 when you say, like you guys lost, like hindsight is like, 1:51:17.800 --> 1:51:20.120 was our momentum gone from having a bye week? 1:51:20.400 --> 1:51:21.160 You know what I'm saying. 1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:24.759 Honest, you know, I don't know. I don't know, because 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:27.880 I know coaches wrestled with this a bunch because we 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:30.719 they we rested the starters the last week of the season. 1:51:30.960 --> 1:51:32.519 That's true, that's right. I forgot about that. 1:51:32.680 --> 1:51:35.559 We had for for so for the I wouldn't say 1:51:35.560 --> 1:51:37.960 the majority of the guys, but for you know, seven 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:41.599 eight nine guys they had two by weeks, and uh, 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:44.600 I don't know if our momentum was gone. I just 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:47.880 think that. You know, it's gonna be sound real clich ish, 1:51:47.920 --> 1:51:49.920 but when things are supposed to happen for you, they 1:51:50.000 --> 1:51:52.760 happened for you, right. You know, I look at it 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:55.519 from from Washington. Washington wasn't meant to be at that time, 1:51:55.680 --> 1:51:57.479 so I had to go on a journey to get 1:51:57.520 --> 1:51:59.880 somewhere else, and then from Baltimore had to go on 1:52:00.040 --> 1:52:03.360 journal to get somewhere else. Yeah, saying all that, Man, 1:52:03.439 --> 1:52:06.960 it was tough, bro, I know it was tough, bro. 1:52:07.160 --> 1:52:10.280 It was. It was I'm like on the sideline, like 1:52:10.360 --> 1:52:13.400 trying to reverse time or something, you know what I mean. 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:16.080 Like it was a bunch of dominoes too, right, we 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:18.880 had like all we had a turnover, then we had 1:52:18.920 --> 1:52:21.479 a turnover on downs and like when you look up, 1:52:21.520 --> 1:52:25.720 it's like twenty one and nothing, and you're and you're 1:52:25.720 --> 1:52:28.280 a run based team, right and you're down twenty one 1:52:28.360 --> 1:52:31.280 and nothing, and and it might be still first or 1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:35.000 second quarter, but people are already thinking there's no way 1:52:35.040 --> 1:52:36.920 we can come back from this. And I'm not saying 1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:39.479 the players are thinking that, because you know, that's a 1:52:39.560 --> 1:52:42.960 different breed and how we think. Right, it was, it 1:52:43.080 --> 1:52:45.840 was tough, man Like. I don't know how to describe it. 1:52:45.960 --> 1:52:48.439 I don't know how it happened other than the fact 1:52:48.520 --> 1:52:52.439 that they punched us in the mouth and they kept 1:52:52.479 --> 1:53:00.240 punching us in the mouth. That Derek, I'm not going there, bro, 1:53:02.960 --> 1:53:08.720 that's my teammates, right, I'm not uh. And I think 1:53:08.800 --> 1:53:10.120 in any of the guys that tell you you have 1:53:10.240 --> 1:53:13.040 to give credit with credits to you know, they came 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:17.000 into our house and they beat us. Yeah, they didn't 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:20.679 just beat us, they beat us up and I think 1:53:21.000 --> 1:53:22.600 that's why you saw some of the moves in the 1:53:22.680 --> 1:53:26.080 offseason that we made defensively. You know, you bringing Derek Wolf, 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:29.439 you bring Kalas Campbell, you signed Marcus Peters to an extension, 1:53:29.720 --> 1:53:33.080 you know, all these different things. You bring back Jimmy Smith, 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:38.720 you know, yeah, we we have you know, you what 1:53:38.840 --> 1:53:40.960 did they say we need to help with linebackers whatever 1:53:41.080 --> 1:53:45.360 may be? You draft two young linebackers from two prestigious programs, 1:53:46.760 --> 1:53:48.400 and guys that are ballers, you know what I mean. 1:53:48.439 --> 1:53:52.400 These guys are really good player right right? And offensively, 1:53:52.479 --> 1:53:56.120 you add more speed, you know, you you create more mismatches. 1:53:57.280 --> 1:53:59.679 Obviously you want Marshall back. Right, if I'm playing GM, 1:53:59.880 --> 1:54:02.800 you want Marshall back. You offer Marshall thirty million to. 1:54:02.800 --> 1:54:06.519 Come back for one more Hall of Famer bro No doubt. 1:54:06.720 --> 1:54:08.720 He's a Hall of Famer, heck of a player. But 1:54:09.680 --> 1:54:11.360 you know he took that thirty million and turned it 1:54:11.400 --> 1:54:13.720 into you know, forty five pounds and looks like a 1:54:13.800 --> 1:54:15.600 teenage boy. Now I don't know what that is going on, 1:54:16.479 --> 1:54:21.720 but uh it's uh I think are you know? Eric 1:54:21.760 --> 1:54:24.160 Decasa has done an amazing job. You know, he's a 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:26.680 guy that believed in me, brought me, brought me in 1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:29.519 when uh, you know, other teams wouldn't. So I trust 1:54:29.600 --> 1:54:32.120 the guy, trust what they're doing, and they're building a 1:54:32.200 --> 1:54:34.920 team that will be able to overcome some of the 1:54:34.960 --> 1:54:39.000 downfalls that we had in the playoffs, and that's the 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:40.560 only thing you can do. But I know, I know 1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:43.600 those are your boys, So you're like, you're probably like, heck, yeah, 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:48.440 you know, my guy's got them. But Lawan, man, he was. 1:54:48.640 --> 1:54:52.240 He was on one that game. He was He's on 1:54:52.320 --> 1:54:52.800 one every. 1:54:52.680 --> 1:54:55.120 Game, so I know, I mean, I was surprised. I 1:54:55.400 --> 1:54:55.720 for sure. 1:54:55.800 --> 1:54:58.280 I was surprised. Like watching obviously, because you're going into 1:54:58.320 --> 1:55:00.440 that game. You know, the Raiders we didn't go to 1:55:00.440 --> 1:55:03.000 the playoffs, so you're sitting back watching and you're like, ah, 1:55:03.080 --> 1:55:04.560 they probably won't make it past the Ravens. 1:55:04.640 --> 1:55:07.400 Like them. Ravens are like this team. And then it 1:55:07.560 --> 1:55:08.040 was happening. 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:10.800 You're like, holy shit, man, like, yo, these boys got 1:55:10.840 --> 1:55:13.040 a legit shot. They beat New England, they beat y'all. 1:55:13.040 --> 1:55:14.680 It's like, Yo, these boys got a legit shot. 1:55:15.400 --> 1:55:18.160 I was. I would say that you could probably you know, 1:55:18.320 --> 1:55:21.160 from my perspective, you could feel the tension on the 1:55:21.240 --> 1:55:25.680 field like everyone knew this is not supposed to be happening, 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:29.640 like this is this is our year, you know, big 1:55:29.760 --> 1:55:33.680 truss all that where everybody's saying it whoo whoop. And 1:55:33.760 --> 1:55:36.240 we weren't a team that was like hot and cold, 1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:37.160 you know what I mean. 1:55:37.600 --> 1:55:39.200 Oh yeah, we were just. 1:55:39.560 --> 1:55:41.800 We're just a hot team, and we were doing it 1:55:41.880 --> 1:55:43.200 in a bruising fashion. 1:55:43.840 --> 1:55:44.000 You know. 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:45.800 Sometimes you see teams that throw the ball a lot, 1:55:46.040 --> 1:55:48.920 they cool down a little bit and yea, you got 1:55:48.960 --> 1:55:52.080 better defenses, people know your scheme, YadA YadA yah. But 1:55:52.240 --> 1:55:56.400 we were just you know, bruising and you know, high flying, 1:55:56.600 --> 1:55:59.240 big plays here and there. But really the basis of 1:55:59.240 --> 1:56:02.920 what we did was running the rock, and uh, it was. 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:03.360 It was. 1:56:03.840 --> 1:56:05.760 It was very weird. Let me put it that way. 1:56:05.880 --> 1:56:09.200 I didn't expect it. I won't say we weren't ready, 1:56:09.760 --> 1:56:15.920 because we were ready, you know. So this wasn't uh, 1:56:16.040 --> 1:56:17.720 you know, no NFL teams like this. And I don't 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:19.680 want to, you know, make this guy sound bad, but 1:56:19.760 --> 1:56:25.560 it wasn't Buster Douglas beating Tyson. Yeah, any any NFL 1:56:25.640 --> 1:56:28.680 team can beat a team on any given Sunday. Every 1:56:28.760 --> 1:56:32.400 team has talent. But we were like the you know 1:56:32.560 --> 1:56:34.920 the Tyson, the Holy you know, the Holy Field of Ali. 1:56:35.120 --> 1:56:40.200 We were that brand and we just we got hit 1:56:40.240 --> 1:56:42.400 in the face. Man, like they just beat us. There's 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:46.280 no other explanation. That week of practice. I'm like, we're ready. 1:56:46.680 --> 1:56:49.000 We're gonna go to the super Bowl. I'm gonna be 1:56:49.040 --> 1:56:51.120 blessed enough to put on that Super Bowl had and 1:56:51.200 --> 1:56:53.120 then we're gonna win the damn super Bowl. It's gonna 1:56:53.120 --> 1:56:54.000 be everything. 1:56:54.680 --> 1:56:54.920 Yeah. 1:56:56.120 --> 1:56:59.040 So it wasn't meant to be last year. But nobody 1:56:59.120 --> 1:57:00.640 saying we can't do it this here and I think 1:57:00.680 --> 1:57:03.320 our guys are hungry, so you know that's that. But 1:57:03.960 --> 1:57:05.960 I love I love my team. These guys are awesome. 1:57:06.040 --> 1:57:08.800 It's what you see on TV from them is exactly 1:57:08.840 --> 1:57:14.040 who they are, right. Mark Ingram is hilarious, big ball 1:57:14.080 --> 1:57:18.520 of energy, and Justin Tucker is cringeworthy, funny. That's that's 1:57:18.560 --> 1:57:19.000 what he does. 1:57:19.280 --> 1:57:23.920 You know, that's awesome. Well, shoot, man, I appreciate you 1:57:24.000 --> 1:57:25.200 coming on, bro, we putting. 1:57:25.040 --> 1:57:25.960 Some time on this thing. 1:57:27.960 --> 1:57:32.160 Appreciate you, man. You I'm happy for you. Bro. I 1:57:32.200 --> 1:57:34.480 feel like you're you're killing it. I want you to 1:57:34.600 --> 1:57:37.720 keep playing, obviously because I want us to, you know, 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:40.560 ride this thing out. As as long as you possibly can. 1:57:40.720 --> 1:57:43.960 But you know, what you're doing in your your second 1:57:44.040 --> 1:57:46.320 career is incredible and I'm happy for you. 1:57:46.440 --> 1:57:46.520 Bro. 1:57:47.280 --> 1:57:47.920 I appreciate that. 1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:48.200 Brother. 1:57:48.240 --> 1:57:49.960 When you come to Nashville, you're gonna have to get 1:57:50.000 --> 1:57:50.960 on the bus with the boy. 1:57:51.080 --> 1:57:51.240 Man. 1:57:52.720 --> 1:57:57.000 Well, we'll have to get like, get d Wyan, maybe Niles, 1:57:57.200 --> 1:57:59.480 get just tell some stories. 1:57:59.520 --> 1:58:02.200 Bro, We got to bring in Dyniles and then we 1:58:02.280 --> 1:58:04.240 got to get the guy who doesn't talk very much. 1:58:04.320 --> 1:58:07.960 If for Mores to come in with us, yes, yes, dude, 1:58:08.160 --> 1:58:08.840 that'll be awesome. 1:58:09.560 --> 1:58:11.960 All right, brother, love you, man. 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