Speaker 1: This episode of Busting with the Boys. The Boys is
Speaker 1: presented by Barstool Sports.
Speaker 2: What you doing, man? How you doing?
Speaker 3: Bros? The Boys were back together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're you man, Look at looking at you. I
Speaker 2: haven't I haven't seen you, like talking to you since
Speaker 2: you got the new teeth, Man, you look incredible.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know all the all the.
Speaker 4: Redskins teammates and friends and stuff.
Speaker 3: Just just heckle me, dude, because obviously I had the old,
Speaker 3: the old, the old Blitz package running into my mouth
Speaker 3: back in the day.
Speaker 2: The best thing about it is you're smiling now more,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So I know, I know, like I love doing it too.
Speaker 3: It's probably the best investment I've ever made. It's fixing
Speaker 3: these teeth, man.
Speaker 2: How long so you need? Uh?
Speaker 3: I got them in the summer of twenty eighteen, so
Speaker 3: right before like I was with the Titans and Ots
Speaker 3: and then ratro OTAs I got him.
Speaker 2: Any problems with them, No.
Speaker 4: Not really.
Speaker 3: Like the only thing that sucks is like, so you'll
Speaker 3: get temporaries that you put in and they're not like
Speaker 3: individual veneers. It's like a it's like an entire set, right,
Speaker 3: So you got to wear those for like two weeks
Speaker 3: and so eating and stuff, and you could kind of
Speaker 3: feel them shipted around, not like big, but you could
Speaker 3: feel it to where you.
Speaker 4: Were just nervous the whole time.
Speaker 3: Like I remember I was in the I was in
Speaker 3: the chair, the dental chair, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, guys. I'm super scared to do this.
Speaker 3: And everybody was telling me like not to like, dude
Speaker 3: as your personality this and then I'm like, dude, fuck
Speaker 3: the personality, like I need I want a better smile.
Speaker 3: And I was like, uh. I told the doc. I
Speaker 3: was like, man, if I don't like this, are you able?
Speaker 3: Because they shave him down to like little any biddy
Speaker 3: like vampire teeth, like I look ridiculous, and then they
Speaker 3: put the veneer caps on him. I was like, if
Speaker 3: I don't like it, because you shave and trim my
Speaker 3: teeth the veneers back to what my teeth used to
Speaker 3: look like. And he was like, He's like, I promise
Speaker 3: you're gonna like him, but yes, if you are that uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: I will shave him back down to your original chip
Speaker 3: tooth and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: He was like joking on.
Speaker 2: Me, that's man. Yeah, you look, you look amazing. You know,
Speaker 2: thank you to secure men so we can say that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, thanks man, Yo.
Speaker 3: I always look at and it's always when d Y
Speaker 3: hits me up. D Y He'll reach out, like just
Speaker 3: say what's up every now and then a few times
Speaker 3: a year, and I'll always like my first response is
Speaker 3: sending him the video. And when me, you and him
Speaker 3: were in uh was it your car or his car
Speaker 3: when we were driving to the Gaylord Hotel to make
Speaker 3: meetings and we were stuck in traffic and we were
Speaker 3: like weaving through following like the ambulance and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Like I'll never forget that, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it was was that when we were in
Speaker 2: uh Man, that's when they had like a really bad
Speaker 2: traffic jam. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like it was like the ball that they
Speaker 3: had I think for like uh the military, right.
Speaker 4: Remember they wanted the ball every year, like during Christmas.
Speaker 2: Time and traffic stuff. It was like it was chaotic
Speaker 2: and you definitely didn't want to be late to a meeting.
Speaker 4: No, never wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wasn't he bro He's one of my favorite teammates
Speaker 3: of all time, dude, And you like you don't start
Speaker 3: thinking about that stuff until like you know, your years
Speaker 3: are years are like those kind of years are behind you,
Speaker 3: and you get to kind of sit back and reflect
Speaker 3: and you're like, man, this stuff just doesn't last forever.
Speaker 3: So you like appreciate all those like friendships that you
Speaker 3: had that you're like, I wish I would have just
Speaker 3: enjoyed them that much more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy because if you look
Speaker 2: at like the Ruskins roster now, like I would say,
Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of the guys that we played
Speaker 2: with there or not there anymore.
Speaker 3: Right, Right. It's same with like college too, Like you
Speaker 3: get a couple of years of moved, but you still
Speaker 3: kind of follow your team because you've got your boys
Speaker 3: that are selling the team that you're root for. Yep.
Speaker 3: And then when it gets to like you don't even
Speaker 3: recognize the roster, you're just like, I have like no
Speaker 3: ties really to this organization or college anymore. You don't
Speaker 3: feel that way anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel like a foreigner, you know. Yeah, Taylor
Speaker 2: and I used to used to go back a bunch,
Speaker 2: but then obviously you know everything that happened there, uh,
Speaker 2: and the guys start disappearing. You don't know anyone so
Speaker 2: you just become like a fan, like I'm sure, yeah, Nebraska.
Speaker 3: Now, not all fans have a statue. Man's got a statue.
Speaker 3: Man's got a statue, rightfully. So though, Bro, you were
Speaker 3: a stun in college. And we'll get to that stuff.
Speaker 3: But before we get in all that, like, how you been, dude? Like,
Speaker 3: obviously we'reng for those listening. I don't know when this
Speaker 3: episode's going to drop, but for everybody listening. RG and
Speaker 3: I were talking basically the week the Monday, right after
Speaker 3: all of the protests and riots that have been happening
Speaker 3: on behalf of the George Floyd incident incident, and uh
Speaker 3: so Rob and I are talking now RG, we'll call
Speaker 3: them all the fun stuff. But so when I asked
Speaker 3: him that, that's kind of what I'm referring to. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is gonna come out, I
Speaker 3: don't know when it's going to but to give people context,
Speaker 3: how you been, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean personally, you know, aside from everything that's
Speaker 2: going on in America, I've been. I've been. I've been okay.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, I actually got stuck in California. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, we went out there in you know, February.
Speaker 2: I think it was, yeah, February to kind of like
Speaker 2: get away, go train, get ready for the next season.
Speaker 2: And then COVID hit in March and we were stuck.
Speaker 2: So we got stuck out there, didn't really know what
Speaker 2: to do, didn't want to get on a plane. We
Speaker 2: had my three daughters with us, and and my wife
Speaker 2: was just like what do we do? So we stayed
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks and then you know, Bill
Speaker 2: start to ramp up a little bit. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not like you stay out there for free, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah you and are you in an airbnb?
Speaker 2: Just so we were in an airbnb out there. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, what do I do? You know,
Speaker 2: I want to you know, save money, don't know if
Speaker 2: the season is going to come back around, what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. And because of COVID, we had a house
Speaker 2: that were getting built in Florida. They got pushed back
Speaker 2: because everything's you know, kind of shutting down. So we drove.
Speaker 2: We drove from California from LA all the way to
Speaker 2: Texas and really, yeah, I was able to get my
Speaker 2: mama house, you know, less enough to buy my mama
Speaker 2: house out here in Arlington and uh so we drove
Speaker 2: out here in eighteen hours on the road. Yeah, road trip.
Speaker 2: It was. It was great, beautiful scene scenior, you know,
Speaker 2: seeing the mountains and all that stuff from California all
Speaker 2: the way to Texas. But it's just been a stressful time,
Speaker 2: like not knowing what's going on, and you know, with
Speaker 2: with everything that's going on now with the protests and
Speaker 2: and you fight for equality and the George Floyd murder,
Speaker 2: it's just like the world is just in chaos right now. Man.
Speaker 3: It's oh, I know, man, it's just it just sucks.
Speaker 3: Like it's like you I've had conversations over the weekend,
Speaker 3: and you know how it is, like they'd be there
Speaker 3: just like lengthy conversations and just ultimately like it just sucks,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like you reach out to like your friends and you're trying.
Speaker 3: To like check on like me, like checking on like your.
Speaker 4: Black teammates or black friends.
Speaker 3: And stuff like that. You're just kind of trying to
Speaker 3: get a feel for what that like, what it is
Speaker 3: in everybody's head. And I'm careful to like say stuffing
Speaker 3: because you know how people can just grab and just
Speaker 3: take anything out of context. These days and it's just unfortunate, man,
Speaker 3: Like I hate it. And then on top of it,
Speaker 3: like all this stuff's going on, it's like, yo, the pandemic,
Speaker 3: like we were we out of the pandemic everyone, like
Speaker 3: you see some good protesting going on, you see bad
Speaker 3: stuff too, and it's like, yo, hey, what is the
Speaker 3: pandemic is still going on too?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, uh, you know, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, you know, I got to say for you man,
Speaker 2: like I appreciate you, appreciate your voice. I saw what
Speaker 2: you wrote the other day about people needing to stop,
Speaker 2: you know, listen and understand before they move forward, or
Speaker 2: just you know, turn a blind eye to what's going on.
Speaker 2: I think in this country, for the longest we've liked,
Speaker 2: we have liked to think that racism doesn't exist, or
Speaker 2: that it's gotten better. And yeah, trust me, like from
Speaker 2: the civil rights movement, it's definitely gotten better.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like we're not you know, like it's people
Speaker 3: bring up some photo it's like, okay, like we're not
Speaker 3: saying that.
Speaker 2: We're not segregated systematically that way. I think that people
Speaker 2: will will go to their grave arguing about systemic racism
Speaker 2: and systematic racism, how it's built in that way, and
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that, but the what we're seeing
Speaker 2: right now with the right and the protests and the
Speaker 2: burning of the buildings and the looting, it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: not all of that is being done by the right people, of.
Speaker 3: Course, absolutely, but absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean that is pain from hundreds of years of
Speaker 2: inequality and I and we see this happen, right, We see,
Speaker 2: you know, a black guy on a black guy get killed,
Speaker 2: and there's protests, and then it just feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later, it's all back to normal, right.
Speaker 2: It's it's no one's talking about it, no one's doing
Speaker 2: anything about it, and no one's coming up with a solution.
Speaker 2: So to see this one linger the way that it
Speaker 2: has and turn into what it has, it kind of
Speaker 2: feels like this is the opportunity to try to actually
Speaker 2: implement significant change, and it's going to take time, right,
Speaker 2: It's going to take time. People are don't have to vote,
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to We're gonna have to try to
Speaker 2: take down the system by voting in the right people.
Speaker 2: But it's going to take people like yourself who aren't
Speaker 2: who aren't afraid to speak up publicly. And and it's
Speaker 2: it's not just doing it one time. It's not just
Speaker 2: doing it for you know, your brand or to look good,
Speaker 2: so they can't say you didn't say something, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's some some brands aren't saying anything because they're nervous
Speaker 3: about what the ownership might say. Hey, like, stay out
Speaker 3: of this sticky I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And you know, they've always preached that when we came
Speaker 2: in as when you came in as a rookie, I
Speaker 2: came in the league as a rookie, They're like, hey,
Speaker 2: don't talk about race, religion, or politics. Don't don't put
Speaker 2: yourself out there with issues that can be deemed you know,
Speaker 2: like you're going to scorch the earth right. And this
Speaker 2: is a moment where you've seen more athletes speak up
Speaker 2: and talk about it. You've seen more white athletes speak
Speaker 2: up and talk about it. And you know, I have
Speaker 2: my feeling. Some I feel are genuine, some I don't
Speaker 2: feel are genuine. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we need everybody to try to march together to get
Speaker 2: to a point where we can figure something out. Because
Speaker 2: I don't have the answers. I don't know what's gonna may,
Speaker 2: and that's what's so frustrating and heartbreaking. You don't you
Speaker 2: just don't know, but you know, saying something about it
Speaker 2: can help, and we need everybody for.
Speaker 3: That, right because Like, so after I wrote my blog
Speaker 3: piece and I'm stoked. I'm like, I'm fired up that
Speaker 3: people like liked it and shared it and it did
Speaker 3: what it what it did, and you know, when I
Speaker 3: wrote it, I'm like, I hadn't seen I don't this
Speaker 3: isn't certain, but I hadn't seen anything written on Barsool
Speaker 3: yet about it. So I was like, you know, I
Speaker 3: wonder if I write this, like if it's going to
Speaker 3: be able to be actually submitted, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because I hadn't seen anything yet, right, Unfortunately, like Erica
Speaker 3: the CEO and Dave and everybody's like reaching out talking
Speaker 3: about you know, how well written it wasn't that obviously,
Speaker 3: Like teammates and people that I've peers with and stuff
Speaker 3: reaching out and it's like all that happens, and then
Speaker 3: I sit back and I'm like, Okay, well, like you
Speaker 3: were saying earlier, like it can't just be a one
Speaker 3: time thing, and I'm thinking of my mind, like all right,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: What can I do next? Because again, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: also hard.
Speaker 3: First of all, it's definitely needed for more white people
Speaker 3: to speak up about it. And it's not speaking up
Speaker 3: in a way that you know the facts and you
Speaker 3: know answers. But I want to say everyone I've listened
Speaker 3: to or I have a conversation with black, Hispanic, just
Speaker 3: any minority, it's like, acknowledge that it's happening.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: They want to be heard. So acknowledge that you have privilege,
Speaker 3: even if that might reb you the wrong way. Like
Speaker 3: sometimes I was talking to my fiance she's at Filipino,
Speaker 3: and she's like, like, sometimes when privilege is brought up
Speaker 3: to me, I get a little shung by it because
Speaker 3: I know my upbringing it my own community. Now knowing
Speaker 3: having all this and reflecting more, knowing my communities white
Speaker 3: and just knowing like, Okay, even though I wasn't privilege
Speaker 3: in my own white community, that doesn't mean I don't
Speaker 3: have this white privilege myself. Like she does a good
Speaker 3: job explaining a lot of stuff to me, but like
Speaker 3: the thing is like acknowledging your privilege. Acknowledging that you're
Speaker 3: hearing everybody, you're hearing what's happening and giving a shit,
Speaker 3: like using your platform in whatever way possible and like
Speaker 3: just letting them, letting people and I hate saying that,
Speaker 3: Like you got to let black people know.
Speaker 5: Like I hate about it, and however you can say it,
Speaker 5: go about it like you got to do it in
Speaker 5: a genuine fashion and also be careful because you can't
Speaker 5: get taken out of context as well.
Speaker 3: So it's it's difficult, but it is, man. It's it's
Speaker 3: good to see a lot more people speaking out and me,
Speaker 3: I can, I can admit that I've been I can
Speaker 3: be guilty of not like if if a murder happens.
Speaker 3: You know how white people, I don't. I don't, I
Speaker 3: hate just people in general in general. Yeah, I know
Speaker 3: you're not gonna take me out.
Speaker 4: Of context, but you have a pod, so you gotta
Speaker 4: be careful, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying. It's like people can be like
Speaker 3: you see a scene happen and you're like, listen, let's
Speaker 3: get all the facts, like we just because there's a
Speaker 3: very angry community doesn't mean like this is exactly what happened,
Speaker 3: and so you'll want to wait on more facts. Like,
Speaker 3: to me, this situation is as obvious and it's clear
Speaker 3: cut of a situation that you can use as an example.
Speaker 3: It's like, listen, guys, this camera was on for over
Speaker 3: two minutes and this it's clearly wrong. Like I was
Speaker 3: talking to my boy blas shut out bloss, who's expanded,
Speaker 3: who's Hispanic?
Speaker 4: And he h, he's in the law enforcement.
Speaker 3: He's like, there's nowhere in our teaching to where you know,
Speaker 3: it's on somebody's neck, it's you.
Speaker 4: Know, around their belt or their chest or something like that.
Speaker 3: But it's like this situation kind of helps I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, more people white everyone look at a situation
Speaker 3: and see what the black community has been wanting to
Speaker 3: be seen forever. Yeah, that makes sense. If I explained
Speaker 3: that in my in my very white privilege, I got it.
Speaker 3: I'm saying all this stuff guys in my very white way.
Speaker 3: That is Uh, that was my thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like you know, when I when I've talked
Speaker 2: to my white teammates recently, it's it's it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: what can we do right, And like you're at a
Speaker 2: loss for words, you don't know what you can do,
Speaker 2: but I know that you can you can speak up
Speaker 2: about it, and you know, they're like, hey, we're willing
Speaker 2: to talk with you and brainstorm and figure out things
Speaker 2: to do. And I feel like the beginning point is
Speaker 2: speaking up. You have to say something, and then once
Speaker 2: you do that, then it's like, hey, man, if you're
Speaker 2: in your your own little circle and you hear something
Speaker 2: right that that just shouldn't be said, or or a
Speaker 2: viewpoint that that that someone shouldn't have on certain things
Speaker 2: when it comes to equality, you have to step up then, right,
Speaker 2: because whether it's racism or just you know, a superiority
Speaker 2: complex or whatever it may be, that stuff is that's
Speaker 2: not you know, it's not you're not born with that. Right.
Speaker 2: You see a kid and a white kid in the
Speaker 2: same area, they're gonna love on each other because they
Speaker 2: that that's what they know, right. But as they get
Speaker 2: older or whatever happens, that stuff is built in and
Speaker 2: it's taught for someone to, you know, not like someone
Speaker 2: of another color or think that person is inferior to them.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a big part of everything that's
Speaker 2: been going on. No one knows what to do, right.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people want to help, but
Speaker 2: they don't know how to help. And I just can't
Speaker 2: stress enough that this is not a political issue, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and I hate when it starts
Speaker 3: to get money there.
Speaker 2: Right, people want to turn it into a political issue.
Speaker 2: It's not a political issue. This is a human rights issue.
Speaker 2: If you're a believer, right, if you're a Christian believer,
Speaker 2: this is doing the others as you want them.
Speaker 3: To do under you.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you this, George Ford one is
Speaker 2: like so egregious that I think that's why you see
Speaker 2: some of the chaos that you see right in other situations.
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't agree with it, but they'll say, hey,
Speaker 2: well they shouldn't have done this, they should have done that,
Speaker 2: they should have done this. But this one for for
Speaker 2: all people. It is just like, oh my gosh, it's
Speaker 2: it's the most obvious one. It's what is going on here.
Speaker 2: And this is something that I've you know, I've dealt
Speaker 2: with my whole life. We've had these conversations before, like
Speaker 2: about just inequality or opportunity or whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: But you don't want to you know, when I got
Speaker 2: three daughters and you know, one day I pray to
Speaker 2: have a son. I don't want them to have to
Speaker 2: grow up in a world like this. Right, And you
Speaker 2: can say, well, this is the greatest country in the world,
Speaker 2: and we have the most freedom and we do all
Speaker 2: these things, and yeah, I'm very you know, I know
Speaker 2: those things, right. My parents served in the military. I
Speaker 2: know the freedoms that we have and what we fight for.
Speaker 2: But did we really fight for this? You know? Our
Speaker 2: nation is founded on you know, liberty and justice for
Speaker 2: all and our original sin, the original sin of America
Speaker 2: is injustice. It's the original We have to get over that.
Speaker 2: How do we do it? I have no idea, but
Speaker 2: I know that if I can get you all my
Speaker 2: other non black teammates, all my black teammates, the community,
Speaker 2: and we can all do this together, there's a better chance.
Speaker 2: As opposed to what has typically happened. Is if it
Speaker 2: doesn't affect you, you just turn the other cheek. You said, oh,
Speaker 2: well that doesn't really bother It bothers me, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't affect my life. So I'm just not going to
Speaker 2: say anything. I don't want to hurt my brand. I
Speaker 2: don't want to lose some fans. I don't want to
Speaker 2: you know, get fired. You know, for whatever, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: you stand on something. But I think this is the time.
Speaker 2: I think this is the time for everyone to take
Speaker 2: that stand and take that risk, because it's it's just
Speaker 2: not okay, it's twenty twenty, man. Like you remember, we're
Speaker 2: in the nineties. We're watching movies and they're talking about
Speaker 2: like flying cars and all these things in the future.
Speaker 2: Like this is the future now and we don't have
Speaker 2: those things and we don't even have justice for all
Speaker 2: in a country that was founded upon justice for all.
Speaker 3: Right, right, don't you just wish, like I'll sit back
Speaker 3: and think, like, man, I wish everyone could just experience
Speaker 3: a locker room dynamic. Yeah, like when you're on when
Speaker 3: you're on a team. I know us we're very fortunate
Speaker 3: to have been in locker rooms because my own story,
Speaker 3: it's like I grew up in bon Ter, Missouri. That is,
Speaker 3: like you read, ninety nine percent white, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't necessarily leave that bubble, Like Saint Louis
Speaker 3: is the closest city in our way, So we're in
Speaker 3: small town USA.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And for me, I would have never really known or
Speaker 3: understood any of this had I not been in the
Speaker 3: Nebraska locker room, had the roommates that I've had, been
Speaker 3: in the Redskins locker room, Raiders locker room, Titans locker room,
Speaker 3: all that stuff.
Speaker 4: And just to think that, like, had I.
Speaker 3: Never experienced that, I would, I would you know, more
Speaker 3: than likely be around by bond tere upbringing. Not that
Speaker 3: it was bad or negative, but you have that kind
Speaker 3: of You have some of those people that and they
Speaker 3: have access to this huge platform like social media, and
Speaker 3: that's where a lot of stuff can get money because
Speaker 3: people just I say the word ignorant carefully. I'm not
Speaker 3: calling people ignorant, but you're ignorant to like what's truly
Speaker 3: all like out there happening all the time, and all
Speaker 3: these different communities and stuff, and it just gets really
Speaker 3: muddy when you have a platform like social media to
Speaker 3: sit and kind of ultimately get to arguing. You know
Speaker 3: how it goes like now it's get some of it
Speaker 3: gets made into a political issue and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: back to reeling it in. It's like a humanity issue, correct,
Speaker 3: And I just wish people, I wish everyone could be
Speaker 3: in the locker room like us, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: and be around the dynamics we get to be around, right,
Speaker 3: because you create such strong bonds that you know, you
Speaker 3: you hate seeing what's happening out there right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and and I'm with you. Like the locker
Speaker 2: room is like such a special place. It's it's so special,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Like most guys when they retire, right, Like
Speaker 2: most guys don't miss training camp, they don't miss uh,
Speaker 2: you know, practicing and lifting, but they missed that bond
Speaker 2: of being in the locker room. And yeah, and I
Speaker 2: was listening to our coaches today as he was talking,
Speaker 2: and he said that, you know, football for him, he
Speaker 2: grew up in the segregation times. Football for him and
Speaker 2: sports for him was a place where he didn't feel
Speaker 2: that that hatred. Right, those white people back then, or
Speaker 2: or non black people back then, felt a certain type
Speaker 2: of bond because they were all in it for a
Speaker 2: common goal, right to win. Now, I go play basketball
Speaker 2: and I got, you know, four white guys on my team.
Speaker 2: You know, the stereotype is that all of them can shoot, right,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't that doesn't matter. The point is that
Speaker 2: me and those other four guys, we're all trying to
Speaker 2: win that game. So you overlook where you came from.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Overlook how much money you have. You overlook all these
Speaker 2: things that that uh that are that are what I say,
Speaker 2: qualifiers for for inequality. And you're all trying to accomplish
Speaker 2: that goal. So you're willing to do whatever it takes, right,
Speaker 2: shoot the three, pass the ball, die for the ball,
Speaker 2: you know, go into triple overtime, whatever you have to
Speaker 2: do to win that game. And when he said that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, like, how do we get society to
Speaker 2: that point to where we see it? We're all in
Speaker 2: it for the same reason, right, people are going to
Speaker 2: have their own views on wealth, right, and who has
Speaker 2: all the wealth, who doesn't have all the wealth and
Speaker 2: earning potential in this and taxes whatever. Those are all
Speaker 2: political issues. But the fact that we're trying we should
Speaker 2: all be in this together to try to get towards
Speaker 2: equality and to try to get towards justice. To me
Speaker 2: that we should all be on the same team there.
Speaker 2: We should all be willing to do whatever it takes
Speaker 2: to get to that. Equality doesn't mean that me and
Speaker 2: you have the same amount of money. It means that
Speaker 2: me and you have the same opportunity. Right now, as
Speaker 2: an athlete, you know that's not always the case, right,
Speaker 2: I was, I was drafted. You weren't. You weren't drafted.
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, conversation right, right?
Speaker 2: But who still have had? In football terms, your skill
Speaker 2: determined your opportunity, right, My skill determined my opportunity in
Speaker 2: that position. Now, is there you know, inequality and injustice
Speaker 2: and sports? Yes there is? But is it anywhere to
Speaker 2: the level of the everyday person? Not even close? So
Speaker 2: how do we get society to join on the same
Speaker 2: team and and do things? March together? Right? I see
Speaker 2: all these protests and I'm like, yo, man, that's awesome
Speaker 2: because it's not just black people, right.
Speaker 4: Oh, I know, it's not just.
Speaker 2: White people, it's not just Asian Americans, it's not just
Speaker 2: Mexican Americans. It's everybody. That's what we need. How do
Speaker 2: we get that and then take that and obviously go
Speaker 2: vote and try to tear down the system that's in place?
Speaker 2: Right now? How do you do that? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I know we can know.
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Speaker 3: One thing that you were mentioning earlier and I actually
Speaker 3: have written down is one of the things that I
Speaker 3: jumped out to me when I was researching your background
Speaker 3: is you were born in Japan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were born and you.
Speaker 3: Said it earlier your parents they served in the military.
Speaker 3: You come from a military family. Talk about being born
Speaker 3: in Japan and kind of moving around where being what
Speaker 3: do they call it, like being.
Speaker 4: Like a military child? Is that really sticking anywhere?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Hang on, hang on, Alex says, hang on. He says, uh,
Speaker 3: he thinks I'm using my AirPods, Mike, if I can
Speaker 3: find a stopping point, check and switch if necessary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tried not to interrupt during the that whole
Speaker 2: talk because that was so important obviously that I flowed right,
Speaker 2: But I figured if you're gonna switch over now, this
Speaker 2: would be a good time for you to take a
Speaker 2: look and make sure because I think you are on AirPods.
Speaker 3: Mike, I am, I am, I see it.
Speaker 4: It's microphone right.
Speaker 2: Yes, how now can you hear me, beautiful? Make sure
Speaker 2: you restate the question before you start back again, if
Speaker 2: you could.
Speaker 1: I will, I will my bet RG.
Speaker 2: Oh No, you're good, you're good.
Speaker 1: You know, as man athletes trying to figure all this
Speaker 1: stuff out there.
Speaker 3: But uh, one thing that jumped out to me when
Speaker 3: researching your background was that you were born in Japan.
Speaker 3: And uh, you said it earlier, like alluding to your
Speaker 3: parents being you were in a military family. Talk about
Speaker 3: being like a military child and moving around and just
Speaker 3: knowing that you were born in Japan made me laugh.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the what was born in Japan? How
Speaker 1: long were you there?
Speaker 2: So I was there in Japan for two and a
Speaker 2: half years, So for me, I don't remember it, but
Speaker 2: we got the pictures, we got the videos and everything.
Speaker 2: You know, I know you're trying to be politically correct,
Speaker 2: but the proper term for a military military brad, right,
Speaker 2: that's that's what it called military band. And you know,
Speaker 2: my parents being in the military me the discipline, sacrifice.
Speaker 2: You saw it, right, every single day when we went
Speaker 2: to war, my mom and dad, my dad. My mom
Speaker 2: was out by that time and my dad you know,
Speaker 2: had to go over and be deployed. And I saw
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends' parents and you know, aunts
Speaker 2: and uncles not come back because of that. So it
Speaker 2: was really tough growing up as a military brat, having
Speaker 2: to move around. But like I said, the things that
Speaker 2: teaches you how to you know, gel in different groups. Right,
Speaker 2: So in Japan, obviously that's that's a pretty you know,
Speaker 2: diverse group. Here I'm on a military base, so it's
Speaker 2: not like I'm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I feel you.
Speaker 2: We're on a military base. You got you got people
Speaker 2: of color, you got white people, you got Asian people.
Speaker 2: And we moved a bunch, moved early on, moved to Colorado.
Speaker 2: I lived in Alabama, lived in New Orleans, Louisiana, but
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to settle in Copperscote, Texas before
Speaker 2: for grade. And I went through my whole schooling in
Speaker 2: that same city.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 2: That was That was a blessing because usually I had
Speaker 2: a lot of friends move away. And the one thing
Speaker 2: you hate is when you like move away like junior high,
Speaker 2: high school time, and you know, because you got to
Speaker 2: like sports is such a big you know, most sports
Speaker 2: team sports, so most of them are like really big
Speaker 2: on the camaraderie, and you don't want to be the
Speaker 2: new kid who comes in as a sophomore at the
Speaker 2: high school. Now you got to oh, man, the coach's
Speaker 2: son is the quarterback, and like, you don't want to
Speaker 2: do that. So I was I was blessed enough to
Speaker 2: go through that whole time. And you know, to this day,
Speaker 2: high school football is probably still the most fun I've
Speaker 2: ever had in my life because the game with all
Speaker 2: the guys that you grew up with from like you know, kindergarten,
Speaker 2: first grade, people that you've seen develop and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I was obviously oblivious. I thought all my high school
Speaker 2: teammates were going to go to the NFL.
Speaker 1: So no, I know, right, you think a you know,
Speaker 1: college like for sure.
Speaker 2: Then you get to college and you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: there's a six eight, three hundred and fifty pound offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: I had none of those in high school.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and you don't quite know what you're
Speaker 1: doing about.
Speaker 2: The high school center. He was five to seven. He
Speaker 2: was five to seven, two hundred and twenty five pounds,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, you're going d one and he's
Speaker 2: probably like, you know, looking at me like you're crazy,
Speaker 2: and I get it now.
Speaker 1: But it was.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun, and being a military
Speaker 2: kid taught me a lot of things. It taught me
Speaker 2: how to mess in jail with a bunch of different
Speaker 2: people in different groups and try to understand it from
Speaker 2: everybody's perspective. A lot of times I found myself being
Speaker 2: the new kid and having to try to find my
Speaker 2: way in each different community, and I think that's helped
Speaker 2: me with how I've led, how I've been able to
Speaker 2: be a good teammate in different places that I've been,
Speaker 2: and you know, just be a better all around.
Speaker 1: Person, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Like I fel like, if you're like a military brat,
Speaker 3: to be politically correct, you have like some of those
Speaker 3: you have, like those foundational things, those foundational values that
Speaker 3: you know, you just can't teach all the time unless
Speaker 3: you're like in, unless you have those parents are around
Speaker 3: that environment constantly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think that I think that piggybacks
Speaker 2: off what you were saying, like from where you grew
Speaker 2: up and and how that was. I went to you know,
Speaker 2: I went to Baylor University, and no one's gonna say
Speaker 2: that that's like a melting pop. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: private school. It's a private Baptist school. And I believe
Speaker 2: over seventy percent of the of the students that go
Speaker 2: to Baylor are a Caucasian. You know we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean said, shoot, same with Nebraska.
Speaker 3: I mean people are probably in Nebraska like, Okay, Will,
Speaker 3: did you really get out of bond Ter, Missouri.
Speaker 1: It's like I guess I'm thinking like.
Speaker 3: In locker room terms, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 3: in your locker room, you got dues from Florida, Cali,
Speaker 3: New York, all over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sports is like the equaliser. You know, if
Speaker 2: it's not split down the middle, it's probably favoring you know,
Speaker 2: minorities to be To be honest, at Nebraska, bayl or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I still remember you walk around campus.
Speaker 2: I go to class, right, there might be you know,
Speaker 2: if it's a small class, say like you know, thirty
Speaker 2: forty kids, there might be five black people in college.
Speaker 2: But you go to the area where all the athletes are. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like so like it's it was crazy to
Speaker 2: see that. And you meet people, You meet people who
Speaker 2: have never hung around uh, minorities of any kind because
Speaker 2: where they live at it is so just one color, right.
Speaker 2: And I ran to my wife. My wife's from Estonia
Speaker 2: and they don't have any black exactly.
Speaker 3: I don't care, man, I'm not Anteoni.
Speaker 2: Is in the Baltics, so uh, Norway a lot via
Speaker 2: And I say this when last because don't ever say
Speaker 2: this to an Estonian. But Russia, they're right next to Russia,
Speaker 2: and Estonians and Russians don't really get along because Russia
Speaker 2: has has conquered Estonia a couple of times. So, so
Speaker 2: just anyone, don't ever call my wife Russian. Don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's kind of like Russian then hunt like no.
Speaker 2: So, but I ran into it with her, like there's
Speaker 2: no black people. She didn't grow up with that those
Speaker 2: types of people in her life every day. But she
Speaker 2: came over to to the United States for college, went
Speaker 2: to Florida State. She went to Tallahassee, Florida, which is
Speaker 2: one of the blackest places in all of America. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she got a crash course on black history by going
Speaker 2: to by going to college, and it's opened her eyes
Speaker 2: because from what she saw back at home to what
Speaker 2: she sees now in America. Uh, you know, to her,
Speaker 2: it's obvious that there's racism here. But to the people
Speaker 2: who are here all the time, they're like, ah, no,
Speaker 2: that's not that he was he was resisting. You know,
Speaker 2: there was this, there was that, But hers like that
Speaker 2: there's no excuse for it. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with the fact that where you grew up,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong that, you know, you being more comfortable
Speaker 2: with someone who looks like you than someone who doesn't.
Speaker 2: I think that is natural. I think where the problem
Speaker 2: comes in is when people are uncomfortable with someone based
Speaker 2: off of stereotype and they use that against them in
Speaker 2: a way that diminishes their ability to either make a
Speaker 2: living or just walk around freely. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be paid to go on a job, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I heard you talking about it
Speaker 2: with the man who got gunned down for going on
Speaker 2: a jog, and they're like, oh, well he was looking
Speaker 2: in a in an unbuilt house before or he got.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah, like and.
Speaker 2: Like, who hasn't done that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like this this house here from a mom. There's houses
Speaker 2: that are being built. It's a new bill community, and
Speaker 2: we've gone in those houses and looked at him that
Speaker 2: aren't finished. Does that mean that now if I go
Speaker 2: jog a little bit, I should get gunned down? Like
Speaker 2: come on, like he's not stealing anything, and people.
Speaker 1: No doubt, dude, that's that's yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like to justify behavior, and it's like that
Speaker 2: doesn't pass the common sense to us, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right right like you I've you know, I've done
Speaker 3: that stuff too, And I wasn't like what did I say?
Speaker 1: I said?
Speaker 3: I like the topped in the car like it was
Speaker 3: a grand theft auto or something like, Yo, this is
Speaker 3: in a video game, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's it doesn't make sense. But to get
Speaker 2: back to the to the overall point is that it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you grew up right, right, And just
Speaker 2: because you don't see people that that don't look like
Speaker 2: you where you grow up, h it doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: when you go to college or when you go somewhere
Speaker 2: that you can't learn something new. And I think that's
Speaker 2: what it is. You just have to be willing to learn.
Speaker 2: And and just because something doesn't affect you particularly or
Speaker 2: your kids or your family, it doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 2: not going on. And I think that that's that's the point.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not I'm not wanting you to get
Speaker 2: pulled over by the cops and then to fear for
Speaker 2: your life. I don't I don't want you to feel that.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want you to feel that fear.
Speaker 2: I don't want I'm not saying that you deserve that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that people that look like me don't deserve that.
Speaker 2: Can you Can you at least agree with that? Can
Speaker 2: you at least help me move forward some type of
Speaker 2: winda to get that to be eliminated. And I think
Speaker 2: that's that's a big part of it. But you're right,
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't grow up with those experiences,
Speaker 2: so they just don't think it's really happening.
Speaker 3: Right right, It's like take the glasses off and put
Speaker 3: on somebody else's glass. It's like you can't really take
Speaker 3: your lens off, like you're going to have your own
Speaker 3: filter regardless.
Speaker 1: But it's like being.
Speaker 3: Super curious and like, you know, seeking to understand where
Speaker 3: the person across from you is coming from about something
Speaker 3: because I'm not I'm not. I'm not like you were
Speaker 3: saying too, like we're not disappointed where we grew up.
Speaker 3: I love that I grew up where I grew up,
Speaker 3: and I get to have this story to kind of
Speaker 3: share that, like, hey, you know, I've had all of
Speaker 3: these experiences along the way. Here's where I am now
Speaker 3: getting to with just different things like shout out bon
Speaker 3: ter Missouri dude. But but like, yeah, being curious, like
Speaker 3: you're everyone's gonna have their own filter because they've they
Speaker 3: nobody can help where they grew up.
Speaker 1: But like you're saying, like you know.
Speaker 3: Seek that curiosity factor that you know, you're trying to
Speaker 3: understand someone else's perspective and listen and you know grow
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you I agree with you. It's it's almost impossible
Speaker 2: for someone to really take their lens off, right. Whenever
Speaker 2: you hear the saying walk a mile in someone else's shoes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can put their shoes on, but you're still gonna
Speaker 2: be walking halfway with your own mindset, right, Right, So,
Speaker 2: if you've never experienced injustice to the level of the
Speaker 2: African American community or people of color in general, you're
Speaker 2: not really gonna understand it. But you can't go into
Speaker 2: that conversation with a jaded view like it's not happening,
Speaker 2: Like it's in front of you and it's been happening
Speaker 2: for hundreds of years. You can't just say, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not happening, it doesn't exist, it does, you know. You know.
Speaker 2: Stereotypes are like a huge problem all around the world, right, I.
Speaker 3: Know, But like the stereotypes too, it's like it's it's
Speaker 3: it's it's sensitive in like this topic that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But I've always enjoyed a good stereotype for jokes. Every
Speaker 1: now and then being in a locker room like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm scared saying that.
Speaker 2: On the locker room jokes if people heard locker room jokes.
Speaker 1: On me, Oh, bro, we have so much fun in there, bro.
Speaker 2: But it's uh. Stereotypes have a problem for a long
Speaker 2: time forever, right. Those stereotypes are what lead to people
Speaker 2: feeling certain ways about things. Right. So I was talking
Speaker 2: about if I go on a basketball court and I
Speaker 2: roll up with this team and you know, we're called
Speaker 2: the White Chocolates or something, and I got two or
Speaker 2: three two or three Caucasian teammates, everybody's guarding them at
Speaker 2: the three point line, right, But nobody's guarded me at
Speaker 2: the three point line because they think, Oh, he's African American,
Speaker 2: he can jump, he's a dunker, he's a slasher. This
Speaker 2: Caucasian gal here is a shooter. Now, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that that that doesn't work out that way sometimes, right,
Speaker 2: Like JJ Reddick is a hell of a shooter, Kyle
Speaker 2: Korb is an of a shooter, and Lebron James is
Speaker 2: one of the best slashers of all time. But it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that everybody is like that, right.
Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3: But if you rolled up and if you rolled up
Speaker 3: in bond Te, Missouri at a pick up basketball game,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting, Hey, I want him on my team.
Speaker 1: And what's your name? Man, RG three, you can you can.
Speaker 2: Be on my team. So what I'm saying it's not
Speaker 2: that those stereotypes don't sometimes end up being true. It's
Speaker 2: just when it's in the negative, like that's when it's like,
Speaker 2: oh man, we gotta we gotta try to overcome that somehow.
Speaker 2: I still remember, you know, in Cleveland, I had you know,
Speaker 2: I've had long hair since like forever, since I went
Speaker 2: to college. And I had my afro out right No,
Speaker 2: not like right now, like I got the buns in
Speaker 2: right now, but I had the afro out, and UH
Speaker 2: coach came to me and he said, hey, I need
Speaker 2: you to come to work with your hair braided or
Speaker 2: cut it off. I said, Coach, He said, well, you're
Speaker 2: black and you're a black quarterback, and you can't. You
Speaker 2: can't be presented in that way. You can't come here
Speaker 2: with your hair not done in some type of way
Speaker 2: because it just doesn't give off the right message. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be i'mna be honest with you it. You know,
Speaker 2: it pissed me off because I feel like, why why
Speaker 2: do I have to do that? You know, why? Why
Speaker 2: is that the message that I'm giving off of because
Speaker 2: my hair looks a certain type of way, or because
Speaker 2: I'm wearing a hoodie or or whatever. For the longest,
Speaker 2: everybody used to I walk down the street in DC
Speaker 2: and uh, they'd be like, hey, man, I got some
Speaker 2: weed for you. I know you, I know you smoke.
Speaker 3: I know you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, Like, I've never smoked in my life,
Speaker 2: and I'm not condemning anybody that does. But just because
Speaker 2: I'm black, I'm wearing a hoodie and I got what
Speaker 2: people thought were dreads at the time, doesn't mean I'm
Speaker 2: on the gondo people.
Speaker 3: Does Jane Like, come on, no, hey, you know, try
Speaker 3: hanging out like in UH with your teammates and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then people are thinking like I'm.
Speaker 3: Their agent or like financial man, put some respect on
Speaker 3: my name. Man, I play too like, oh hey, what's
Speaker 3: your name? Man like trying to give me a handshake. Like.
Speaker 2: So it's just to that point where yeah, man, like
Speaker 2: everybody likes a good laugh, But what's going going on
Speaker 2: in this country? For hundreds of years with with minorities
Speaker 2: in general, especially the African American community just isn't a
Speaker 2: laughing matter anymore. And I think I think people are
Speaker 2: seeing that, and that's the disheartened part because you would
Speaker 2: feel like, dang, why didn't you see that earlier? But
Speaker 2: I do think this George Floyd incident, uh and the
Speaker 2: gentleman who got gunned down for you know, going on
Speaker 2: a jog, those that really brought everybody out to the forefront.
Speaker 2: Plus everyone's not doing anything really right, so a lot
Speaker 2: of people out of work, so there's more eyes on
Speaker 2: social media, there's your eyes on the news, and like
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like like twenty twenty is just complete chaos. Man,
Speaker 2: Like Kobe Bryant dies and we got coronavirus hiss And now.
Speaker 6: Talk about the history books that they're going to be
Speaker 6: on twenty twenty back when it's like year three thousand.
Speaker 2: Dude, they're gonna be learning about all this. And that's
Speaker 2: why I think a lot of people are are doing
Speaker 2: what they're doing because they want to be on the
Speaker 2: right side of history. You know, I want to be
Speaker 2: on the right side of history that that sees a
Speaker 2: system of systematic injustice crumble. You know, yeah, down, I
Speaker 2: want to be on that side of history, and I
Speaker 2: think we can do it. But if you had to
Speaker 2: ask me, I have no idea how. I have no
Speaker 2: idea how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean she rolling it together? Man, I know.
Speaker 1: Uh you it's like you said, it's like how that happens?
Speaker 1: Right there?
Speaker 3: You sit and you say something, you just start thinking
Speaker 3: and you're just like, man, like, how does that?
Speaker 1: How does that kind of stuff happen?
Speaker 3: And you just, if anything, try to stay optimistic and
Speaker 3: when you can find opportunity to, you know, do something yourself.
Speaker 3: Like hopefully everyone takes that choice, chooses the right choose
Speaker 3: the right choice, makes the right decision to just like hey,
Speaker 3: be you know, be a good person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that. There was this I came. I
Speaker 2: don't know if the show is still long, but there
Speaker 2: was like the show what would you Do? And like
Speaker 2: they like set these different narrows up where like a
Speaker 2: girls at the bar or something, and the guys like
Speaker 2: he clearly puts something in a drink and he's getting
Speaker 2: trying to get a drunk and there's people around, there's
Speaker 2: cameras in the area, and they're trying to see like
Speaker 2: who's gonna step up and do the right thing, right
Speaker 2: And as you know, like we've had these talks with
Speaker 2: the team about not getting involved in certain situations. And
Speaker 2: you see you see some like domestic violence, assault happening
Speaker 2: in a public place. Don't get involved because you could
Speaker 2: get injured. Call the cops, do this, do that. I
Speaker 2: don't feel like this is that type of situation, right,
Speaker 2: This isn't a mind your own business type of thing.
Speaker 2: Because justice for all is is good for everybody, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. We don't want black fathers to
Speaker 2: be incarcerated at alarming rates that are taking them away
Speaker 2: from their families, you know what I mean. We don't
Speaker 2: want black fathers being you know, murdered, because I mean
Speaker 2: that's a George Floyd was I was murdered, you know,
Speaker 2: it was right that stuff just no remorse at all.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just think that those are those
Speaker 2: are things that people have to really pay closer attention to.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're it's like it's like we're kind of
Speaker 3: in a point. I was just thinking about this as
Speaker 3: you were talking. It's like everyone has a little bit
Speaker 3: of sense of ownership.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, yeah, now in this moment to.
Speaker 3: Where we're now in ownership role in your own capacity.
Speaker 3: It's not like, hey, this is our leader of this
Speaker 3: and that. It's like like everyone has a little bit
Speaker 3: of leadership right now and some accountability, some ownership in this.
Speaker 3: They can take part in that. And it's like if
Speaker 3: you see something, say something type of thing and and
Speaker 3: again the whole seek to understand thing. It's like, but
Speaker 3: I do feel like we are you you you said
Speaker 3: something that triggered that. We're kind of a spot. That's
Speaker 3: like we all have a little bit of ownership in
Speaker 3: this part right now. And like you were saying, it's
Speaker 3: not like don't stay removed from the situation because of
Speaker 3: the repercussions that could come from you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Now and now it's like going to think, hey, see something,
Speaker 3: say something, and you know, hopefully you're looking around and
Speaker 3: you got more, you got more people that are doing
Speaker 3: the same thing you.
Speaker 2: Are, right. It's I mean, it makes me laugh. It's
Speaker 2: not funny, but it's it makes me laugh that you know,
Speaker 2: Like growing up, they always talked about don't don't let
Speaker 2: peer pressure get to you in negative things. Right, So
Speaker 2: underage drinking, whatever it may.
Speaker 1: Be, Yeah, still say no to drugs kids, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, Okay, you know, you get all these
Speaker 2: PEP talks and they're like, you know, peer pressure can
Speaker 2: be good, peer pressure can be bad. Don't let the
Speaker 2: bad peer pressure affect you. And I feel like right
Speaker 2: now there's more peer pressure for non people of color
Speaker 2: to step up and say something right right to the
Speaker 2: to the to the point where when you first saw
Speaker 2: it happened and you're like, wow, now that's big, you know,
Speaker 2: you that's big. You get Tom Brady, you know, posting
Speaker 2: an image of something where he's never really went into
Speaker 2: those areas at all. I'm saying. You're like, oh my gosh, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're making some progress here. We got to get more
Speaker 2: people to do it. But then after like a week
Speaker 2: of all this stuff going on, then you start seeing
Speaker 2: more people start coming out. But there's a feeling that
Speaker 2: it's due to the peer pressure, that if they don't
Speaker 2: say something, people are going to look at them differently.
Speaker 2: And I look at it like that. The church, Okay,
Speaker 2: people have their feelings about the church. They have their
Speaker 2: feelings about ties and offerings right right, And I've heard
Speaker 2: every conversation about it, right but at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, if you if you are tithing and you
Speaker 2: you're helping the church out, the church is spreading God's
Speaker 2: word in some type of way, whether you agree with
Speaker 2: how they're doing it or not. Right, So you know,
Speaker 2: I have all the phones about that as a whole
Speaker 2: another conversation for a whole nother time. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 2: I look at it. So sometimes when you see people
Speaker 2: come out and say things, it's still good, right, regardless
Speaker 2: of whether they are feeling peer pressured into it or not.
Speaker 2: It's what you do next that really matters. And you
Speaker 2: said that you wrote that piece you it was you know,
Speaker 2: beautifully worded, and it's like, what do I do next?
Speaker 2: Am I do I continue to be vocal? Do I
Speaker 2: work in my own circles to try to improve or
Speaker 2: attack things that I see? Do I work with you know,
Speaker 2: these different organizations to go out and be in the
Speaker 2: community in whatever type of way. It's what you do
Speaker 2: next that really matters. Don't just say something to say something,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I'm like, I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, man like, people are really being peer
Speaker 2: pressured into saying something right now, and even and even
Speaker 2: still some people aren't saying anything right, and I do
Speaker 2: think you know that that's something needs to be said,
Speaker 2: Like your brand should never be based off racism. If
Speaker 2: you're afraid to lose fans or notoriety because you say
Speaker 2: something about injustice, then that's that itself is a problem.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where America is right now. We're realizing. Man.
Speaker 2: You know, I was reluctant to say something at first,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, damn, you know, in my position, I
Speaker 2: don't need to be in my current position, I don't
Speaker 2: need to be controversial, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: I understand that. You know, I understand why certain guys
Speaker 2: disappear from the league when they were young because they're controversial.
Speaker 2: I don't need to be controversial. But I don't think that,
Speaker 2: you know, standing up for equality in this moment is controversial.
Speaker 3: I think that's right, right, And you can also, like,
Speaker 3: you know, even even with what I wrote, I feel
Speaker 3: like there's there's a there's a place where you don't
Speaker 3: have to intentionally try and be controversial to get a
Speaker 3: message across, Like you can kind of stand alone that's
Speaker 3: outside of say your your you know, your football brain
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and still do it in a
Speaker 3: way that's like makes.
Speaker 1: Sense and it's genuine and comes off.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, like we're kind of saying like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't know the answers, but you can start having conversations.
Speaker 1: And doing it from you know, I BC understand all
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's just you know, you don't.
Speaker 3: Have to make yourself force yourself into some controversial spot
Speaker 3: like you can do it with I don't know. The
Speaker 3: only word that's coming to my head is, I guess elegance,
Speaker 3: which sounds.
Speaker 2: A little weird. You you don't want to You don't
Speaker 2: have to force yourself to do something or say something
Speaker 2: because it's gonna look good right now, or don't say
Speaker 2: something because it's not gonna look good, you know. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what we've been for most of the part,
Speaker 2: uh most of the time. But I know think guys
Speaker 2: are starting to say things because I do think they're
Speaker 2: actually genuinely, genuinely care. And then you know, on the
Speaker 2: other side of it, there's always going to be just
Speaker 2: like the riots and the protest, there's always going to
Speaker 2: be those who aren't doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker 2: Similar sure out there not even protesting, they're just spray
Speaker 2: painting stuff.
Speaker 3: They're just like, you know, you can see people saying, home, hey,
Speaker 3: we got this movement going on, like let's go, let's
Speaker 3: go get back at the cops in the city for
Speaker 3: what they've done to us.
Speaker 1: And they're just out there tearing.
Speaker 2: There's stuffing up. So you know, I think things are
Speaker 2: going to move in the right direction. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't want anything else to be like destroyed, uh or
Speaker 2: people to lose out all money or anything. But I
Speaker 2: definitely do think the system does need to be destroyed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I can't have RG on and not talk
Speaker 3: about some ball because you have you have an interesting story,
Speaker 3: you do, you have an interesting journey.
Speaker 1: I know from my.
Speaker 3: Own experience with RG three for everybody listening, when I
Speaker 3: was undrafted in my first interaction in the building, because
Speaker 3: I can vividly fucking remember this, and.
Speaker 1: I was hype, is I'm gonna draft the cat?
Speaker 3: Go in? You know, I got I had what I
Speaker 3: had going on, and RG comes out the elevator.
Speaker 1: You were on the first the bottom of the player floor.
Speaker 3: You came out the elevator and we were about to
Speaker 3: go out to the rookie mini camp, and you just
Speaker 3: stuck out your fist and you're like, hey, good luck
Speaker 3: out there, man. And I remember dipping you up and
Speaker 3: like walking by you, and I was sinking to myself, like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that is r G three. And this was after your
Speaker 3: rookie year, you know what I mean? Like this is
Speaker 3: what you know? Hey, that was RGIE three. Just RGIE three.
Speaker 3: Just dap me up. And you go from having an
Speaker 3: incent and I'm gonna let you talk about it because
Speaker 3: you're gonna You're gonna give me some education on it too,
Speaker 3: because I'm very curious. And you you went from being
Speaker 3: the face of the Redskins, and I was there when
Speaker 3: it was kind of filtering down, like I was trying
Speaker 3: to come up in my way.
Speaker 1: You were you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you talk about it, right, And you
Speaker 3: go off the Redskins and then where you were a
Speaker 3: year a free agent right after the Skins?
Speaker 1: Or did you go somewhere else first and then you were.
Speaker 2: I went somewhere first. I went to Cleveland, then sixteen,
Speaker 2: and then I was out in seventeen.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: And you spent a whole year off, all year off
Speaker 3: and still working on your craft.
Speaker 1: I'm talking abou.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I saw all your videos and you kept
Speaker 3: at it like you persevered through you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of adversity that you went through in that middle part
Speaker 3: of your career and to re revamp it, re light it,
Speaker 3: reignite it in Baltimore, and it seems like you're having
Speaker 3: a hell of a time out there. And I always
Speaker 3: get stoked when you get out there and it just
Speaker 3: looks like you're having so much fun playing again. And
Speaker 3: I'm just so curious to learn about the story of
Speaker 3: RG three a little bit and to walk me through
Speaker 3: the beginning too, because I was looking. I was on
Speaker 3: your Wikipedia page and seeing all your athletes, Like I
Speaker 3: knew you were a beast in college because we played Nebraska,
Speaker 3: played against Baylor one year you were out because you're
Speaker 3: you were I think you had a yeah when you
Speaker 3: hampton Nebraska, you ran all over us, which I'm sure,
Speaker 3: I'm sure our stadium was probably your favorite of all time.
Speaker 3: Free shoutout, go be Grad. But I remember people being like, yo,
Speaker 3: who in the hell is this? And it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: he was like you were like number one in America.
Speaker 3: The worlds were like hurdling, and you were like you're
Speaker 3: a world class track athlete as well at this time.
Speaker 3: Then you go from first round pick, Heisman Trophy winner,
Speaker 3: you got accolades, list, list list, offensive, Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 3: playoff game, taking the skins of the playoffs where you know,
Speaker 3: and then your knee happens, like talk talk about your
Speaker 3: story for me a little bit, and talk about going
Speaker 3: into the Redskins, your rookie year.
Speaker 1: Talk about your rookie year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean the grand scheme of it all
Speaker 2: has just been a it's been an amazing story testimony
Speaker 2: that I that I would love to share some type
Speaker 2: of capacity when it's.
Speaker 7: All said done well on the bus, Yeah, on the bus.
Speaker 7: On the bus, dude, you know, on here with you
Speaker 7: guys in a buck somehow some way, because I think
Speaker 7: it's just been an eye opening experience. So, you know,
Speaker 7: first I would say that when I came into the league,
Speaker 7: I'm not a kid who has uh what is it
Speaker 7: an NFL.
Speaker 2: Pedigree, right, I don't have a I didn't have a
Speaker 2: dad who played, or an uncle who played or some
Speaker 2: or you know, a grandfather who played in the league.
Speaker 2: So everything was new, uh to me, And it was
Speaker 2: riding riding off of the success that we had at
Speaker 2: Baylor and came in as a rookie. So when I
Speaker 2: came in as a rookie, it was, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: just trying to prove to everybody that, like I was
Speaker 2: worth everything they gave up. I didn't ask them to
Speaker 2: give that stuff up, but I wanted to.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but you're you're I mean, just to give
Speaker 6: people perspective, like you're saying it now like you're explaining it,
Speaker 6: but you're what how old are you.
Speaker 2: At that time? I think I was. I was twenty
Speaker 2: two years old.
Speaker 1: Twenty two years old face of a franchise.
Speaker 3: You're your top five pick, Like, I mean, I get it, dude,
Speaker 3: Like you're a kid coming in and you're yeah, you're
Speaker 3: trying to prove everybody like, yo, I'm the new young
Speaker 3: I'm the man, right and hey, I'm the man in
Speaker 3: this piece Washington Dude, Like, yeah, you're always trying to
Speaker 3: like for sure, dude, I I yeah, there's like you.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to talk about it, right, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to do anything, uh that that a rookie
Speaker 2: is not supposed to do. You know, we had Santana Moss,
Speaker 2: we had Chris Cooley, we had all these veteran guys,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm starstruck when I when I walk
Speaker 2: in the locker room, they sit me next to London
Speaker 2: Fletcher right, and football right knows that London was like
Speaker 2: that guy in Washington. He was that dude. So when
Speaker 2: I got there, I'm like, oh man, I'm I'm right
Speaker 2: right next to London Fletcher every single day and I
Speaker 2: get to throw the ball to Santana Moss and I
Speaker 2: get to the ball Chris Cooley, Like I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: losing my mind as a rookie, like this is incredible.
Speaker 2: And you know, you come in and you make your
Speaker 2: mistakes right, and you get better, and you make your
Speaker 2: mistakes and you get better as you know, and you
Speaker 2: slowly figure it out. And for me, London was a
Speaker 2: big part of that because I had to go against
Speaker 2: him every day in practice. So Shanahan's system wasn't the
Speaker 2: easiest system to maneuver and operate, especially as a rookie.
Speaker 2: So when his check recheck, check recheck, and I'm having
Speaker 2: a check recheck against one of the greatest mill linebackers
Speaker 2: of all time, Like that's not fun. I make a check.
Speaker 2: He knows what check I'm making.
Speaker 1: Oh, no question. He's a stud.
Speaker 2: Either that or he read the script.
Speaker 1: You know that ongoing argument every day. Y'all knew what
Speaker 1: was coming.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, so rechecking. I'm like, okay, well it's
Speaker 2: cover zero. I make the check and London's like, check
Speaker 2: to cover two. So I check back. He checks back
Speaker 2: to cover zero. I go to coach. I said, hey, Kyle, like,
Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do? Like the dude knows
Speaker 2: all the calls, he's making all the checks, and Kyle
Speaker 2: just says, I don't just go play ball. And for
Speaker 2: me there was this sense of just go play ball,
Speaker 2: my rookie year, go play ball. I didn't know everything, right,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I knew the offense, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: everything that the NFL was going to present. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, that run against the Vikings was a complete
Speaker 2: misread by me. That that touchdown run my rookie year,
Speaker 2: the seventy sixth year or whatever it was, It was
Speaker 2: a misread by me. I saw the two backers in
Speaker 2: the middle of the formation, and I thought I was getting,
Speaker 2: you know, some type of cover zero or that I
Speaker 2: was going to be hot. So I had to make
Speaker 2: a decision either throw the ball hot or run, and
Speaker 2: I decided to run and everybody was blocked.
Speaker 3: I remember, I.
Speaker 2: Remember vividly because I think, uh man, I think it
Speaker 2: was Evan Royster was it might have been the running back, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was your typical double A blitz, which
Speaker 2: I know now was a double A blitz, and they
Speaker 2: didn't bring anyone extra. They didn't bring a dB or
Speaker 2: safety from either side, and everybody got blocked. So the
Speaker 2: defense was like kind of shocked that I took off
Speaker 2: running because they're thinking, oh, it's third and like five
Speaker 2: or six or seven, he's gonna throw the ball. So
Speaker 2: I'm running the sideline and coaches. I can see Kyle
Speaker 2: and I can see Mike, and they're both saying get down,
Speaker 2: get down, get down, because all we needed was the
Speaker 2: first down to win. All we needed was the first
Speaker 2: down to win the game. And I like looked and
Speaker 2: I looked at the safety, which I think was Harrison
Speaker 2: Smith at the time. I'm like, I can get past
Speaker 2: this guy. So white guy, I said, I think I
Speaker 2: can outrun him. Out ran there and then I scored
Speaker 2: the testdown and like the rest is history. But it
Speaker 2: was like little things like that were happening in my
Speaker 2: rookie year, and slowly but surely I was winning over
Speaker 2: the guys in the locker room because of the play
Speaker 2: on the field and because of, you know, just the
Speaker 2: hard work. When you came in, did you come in
Speaker 2: You came in Channion's second year or my second year.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I came in the year you were you
Speaker 3: were re having to get your knee back.
Speaker 2: Right, correct, So so I came.
Speaker 3: I came the year after your guys's uh, you guys
Speaker 3: had like a hell of a year coming back, bring
Speaker 3: it to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I came the year where it was bad.
Speaker 2: But you remember we when we came back in thirteen,
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh man, these guys went to the playoffs
Speaker 2: last year. It's going to be a great year. We're
Speaker 2: gonna do this. We're gonna do that. We're gonna do this.
Speaker 2: And we came out and we were flat right. We
Speaker 2: just I remember vividly in twenty thirteen, it was like
Speaker 2: almost every game we came out and like first second
Speaker 2: quarter it was twenty one and nothing, fourteen and nothing,
Speaker 2: and we were fighting from behind every single game. I
Speaker 2: remember the Packers like I don't know if you remember
Speaker 2: that Packers game. D Y had like a super long touchdown,
Speaker 2: like a six year second catch out of the backfield,
Speaker 2: but we were down like twenty eight to nothing by
Speaker 2: like midway through the second quarter something like that, right,
Speaker 2: And it just it didn't click for us that year.
Speaker 2: And I know why it didn't click. It didn't click
Speaker 2: because our chemistry wasn't the same. There are too much
Speaker 2: turmoil happened from the time when we won the playoff,
Speaker 2: when we got to the playoff game, and by the
Speaker 2: start of the next season, that whole off season was.
Speaker 1: Chaotics, And well why was it chaotic?
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Speaker 2: If you're I don't know if you remember this because
Speaker 2: you you were on the team yet, but my injury
Speaker 2: caused a lot of of uh turmoil.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean you you were from my understanding, you
Speaker 3: you are, you were you were the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had question marks playing that game? Correct?
Speaker 2: Correct? I did?
Speaker 3: And there was I mean, you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: there were from what I had heard, there were decisions
Speaker 3: and stuff that were happening on actual game day even Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, I didn't want to I don't
Speaker 2: want to dive too much into it, but there was
Speaker 2: a lot of turmoil around my injury. I got hurt
Speaker 2: against the Ravens, which is, you know, kind of ironic,
Speaker 2: but I I got heard against the Ravens. I sat
Speaker 2: out a game against the Browns, and then I came
Speaker 2: back against Philly and I played the rest of that year.
Speaker 2: But you know, everybody knew I was you know, I
Speaker 2: was compromised to.
Speaker 3: If you could go back, would you have played that game,
Speaker 3: that playoff game?
Speaker 2: Uh? If I went back, I wouldn't have gone back
Speaker 2: in I got I was, I was okay in the
Speaker 2: beginning of the game, and we jumped out I think
Speaker 2: a fourteen to nothing lead, mm hmm, and then I
Speaker 2: re injured my knee just like on a I was
Speaker 2: rolled to the sideline, I threw my knee buckle. Something happened.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're already compromised, it's like the weirdest
Speaker 2: stuff happens that that for sure, something.
Speaker 3: So and you already kind of fall to the ground
Speaker 3: in a way you're just like, hey, exactly, fall to
Speaker 3: the ground gracefully.
Speaker 2: I'm sure all of Rescuing Nation is like, when they
Speaker 2: hear this, you're gonna be like, oh, man, I knew
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have went back in. Yeah I should. If
Speaker 2: I could go back and do it again. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have gone back into the playoff game. But hindsight's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty right for sure. I'm like watching this documentary
Speaker 2: you know about you know, Lance Armstrong, right, and he's
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do anything different. I'm like, bro, come on, yeah,
Speaker 2: like anything like anything? So yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: to be to being honest with yourself, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a big part of it, Like you learned that
Speaker 2: over the course of your career, you've got to be
Speaker 2: honest with yourself. I wouldn't have gone back into that
Speaker 2: playoff game, but you don't know what you don't know
Speaker 2: at that time. Yeah, if I hadn't gone back in,
Speaker 2: then maybe maybe I would have. Maybe I'd still be
Speaker 2: in Washington. I don't know. If I hadn't come back
Speaker 2: from the injury in twenty thirteen prematurely, maybe I'd still
Speaker 2: be in Washington. But I don't hold on to those
Speaker 2: things anymore because it's all part of the journey, and
Speaker 2: now I can just I can take that experience and
Speaker 2: give it to other guys. But that's why I think
Speaker 2: our chemistry was off. There was a ton of turmoil
Speaker 2: between that. Mike was being torn apart in the media.
Speaker 2: I tried to come to his defense, but no one
Speaker 2: was listening at that time. They just felt like he
Speaker 2: should have taken the responsibility and taken me out of
Speaker 2: the game. And as you know, it's not like you know,
Speaker 2: that team was like the most organized team of all time.
Speaker 2: I try to say that with the utmost respect, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not out here to
Speaker 2: try to tear anybody down or tear any other organizations down.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to do the I can do right
Speaker 2: now for Baltimore ratings. So that turmoil affected our whole
Speaker 2: locker room, and now guys are having to answer questions
Speaker 2: every single day about what's going on with r G,
Speaker 2: what's going on with with Mike, what's going on with
Speaker 2: the doctor, what's going on with his knees. He's gonna
Speaker 2: be ready for the Season's it's gonna happen. Oh what
Speaker 2: if he gets hurt next year, are you going to
Speaker 2: pull him out of the game? And it was just
Speaker 2: like it was from that standpoint of it to where
Speaker 2: you didn't know what the right answer was.
Speaker 1: Well, Washington media is crazy too, Hey.
Speaker 2: Am I gonna? Am I gonna come back and be
Speaker 2: ready for week one? Yeah? I mean why wouldn't I?
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't I want to do that? And then it
Speaker 2: just became this whole thing of well, why would he
Speaker 2: come back for week one? And why would he do this?
Speaker 2: And why would he do that? And Uh, I think
Speaker 2: that really affected our team. You know, it became for
Speaker 2: a lack of better a better explanation, it became all
Speaker 2: about me, and I think that really affected the locker
Speaker 2: room to the stand point of, you know, what the
Speaker 2: hell is going on? So I learned that, and uh,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I made mistakes, uh in my
Speaker 2: time in Washington, you know, going back into that playoff
Speaker 2: game and fighting to play so so hard?
Speaker 1: Did you did you? Did you?
Speaker 3: Was it like the competitive pride to want to go
Speaker 3: back in and play without a doubt?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I know, I know it was in front of you, right,
Speaker 2: it didn't matter. Uh, it can be London Fletcher. You'd
Speaker 2: be like, I'm the best linebacker they need me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's just our nature, right, Our nature is to want
Speaker 2: to play. So when you get hurt, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: some of us like to think of ourselves as gladiators,
Speaker 2: as superheroes. You have one or two responses. The one
Speaker 2: response is all right, I'm done, I'm not gonna play anymore.
Speaker 2: And and you know, for myself, I think that's a
Speaker 2: selfish response. The other responses, I got to be out
Speaker 2: there with my brothers. I have to put it all
Speaker 2: on the line, and I don't think that's a selfish response.
Speaker 2: It is up to other people to try to pull
Speaker 2: you out of that. But you should always want to play, right,
Speaker 2: I think that's that's in our DNA. You always want
Speaker 2: to play. Your leg could be falling off and you're like,
Speaker 2: tape it up. I can go, yeah, And if you can't,
Speaker 2: you know it's their job to tell you, nanna sit out.
Speaker 2: You're not going to do that right now. So I
Speaker 2: think that that really affected our team at thirteen, and
Speaker 2: then obviously fourteen we got a new coach and like
Speaker 2: I said, all that stuff, I'll definitely write about someday.
Speaker 1: Book, but shout out the new book.
Speaker 2: RG baby. I'll write about that stuff another day. But
Speaker 2: I think it was just it was it was tough
Speaker 2: to go from Yeah, I mean, I think anybody would
Speaker 2: would say it was tough to go from being the
Speaker 2: face of that franchise, face of the league toy by
Speaker 2: a little I mean three years later twenty fifteen, I
Speaker 2: didn't play a snap, right, Remember I was, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I was playing scout team safety.
Speaker 1: I know, dude.
Speaker 2: You go from that to that, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: how did this happen? You go from helping the team
Speaker 2: win the division for the first time in twelve years
Speaker 2: I think nineteen ninety nine was the last time they
Speaker 2: won the division and you go to the playoffs for
Speaker 2: the first time in a while, and then three years
Speaker 2: later you're like, damn, I didn't they didn't even give
Speaker 2: me time to develop or time to overcome these injuries,
Speaker 2: because that was a big part of it for me too.
Speaker 2: It was the injuries. I told my h I broke
Speaker 2: my ankle. Uh. And then there was the phantom made
Speaker 2: up concussion in twenty fifteen in the preseason. But let
Speaker 2: me not go let me not go there. It's uh,
Speaker 2: that's part of the story. It was part of the story,
Speaker 2: and I just look at him like man Like Matthew
Speaker 2: Stafford got hurt his first two three years in the league,
Speaker 2: and they stuck with him and gave him opportunity. I
Speaker 2: didn't get that luxury, and in twenty seventeen, I let
Speaker 2: that go. That's why I can talk about it freely now.
Speaker 2: Not there's no animosity. It's like, this is what happened,
Speaker 2: and now I'm moving forward. So what I'm praying for
Speaker 2: is that I get a chance to play for the
Speaker 2: next ten years. Because quarterbacks we can play for day
Speaker 2: there forever. So I'm thirty. I'd love to play into
Speaker 2: my forties, but I want to play for another ten
Speaker 2: years at least. And now I'm praying that and through
Speaker 2: the work ethic and the hard work that now I'll
Speaker 2: be blessed with the luxury of getting that time, staying
Speaker 2: healthy for the remainder of my career and playing at
Speaker 2: a high level. So for me, I've been healthy for
Speaker 2: the past three years and I think that'll continue. Just
Speaker 2: need an opportunity, and the Ravens have given me one
Speaker 2: right now in this capacity, and I'm going to make
Speaker 2: the most of it so that when I do get
Speaker 2: my opportunity to be a start again, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: And the thing too that you know, I hope people
Speaker 3: understands how much fun you have that you've been having
Speaker 3: doing it and making this kind of like comeback, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like it's a cool story, like
Speaker 3: you hate that it happened now without going into much
Speaker 3: detail on the other side of the fence, that will
Speaker 3: probably be in your book. If you could talk to
Speaker 3: if you could talk to young RG during those first
Speaker 3: few years, what kinds of things would you tell yourself
Speaker 3: that you could have that you could have probably went about,
Speaker 3: not things, but maybe maybe playbook wise, maybe learning wise,
Speaker 3: Like what advice would you have given your young self
Speaker 3: back then if you could go back and be like
Speaker 3: and grab yourself by the head and be, hey, make
Speaker 3: this decision or don't write it like this, or maybe
Speaker 3: it's reading media stuff. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: but speak on yourself a little bit about some things.
Speaker 1: That you might.
Speaker 2: You know, this has always been a tough thing for
Speaker 2: me because I have I've had this question before and
Speaker 2: I've and I've answered it. The tough part is that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, me come. There was some some storylines that
Speaker 2: were just not true. Sure, there was some there were
Speaker 2: some media reports that just weren't true, whether it was
Speaker 2: about the locker room, about myself, I am, my study habits,
Speaker 2: or whatever it may be. Anyone who's ever been a
Speaker 2: teammate of mine knows that those things weren't true. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, well what I have told myself. One
Speaker 2: of the mistakes I really felt like I made was
Speaker 2: I used to talk after Mike in the media. It's
Speaker 2: just the way the wrestlings had a set up, right.
Speaker 2: Mike would talk, and then I would talk, and I
Speaker 2: felt like sometimes I was too anti what was being said,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. If it was, hey, are you
Speaker 2: gonna come back and be ready week one? They would
Speaker 2: ask Mike that, and Mike would say, you know, we're
Speaker 2: gonna be cautious, We're gonna, you know, take our time.
Speaker 2: We're not sure if he's gonna be ready. The doctors
Speaker 2: will make that decision. And then I would come afterwards
Speaker 2: and they would ask me, here, are you gonna be
Speaker 2: ready for week one? And I'm like, there's no doubt
Speaker 2: I'm going to be ready for week one and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be And I felt like I in those instances
Speaker 2: I put him in a tough situation because he was
Speaker 2: saying things and then I would come back behind him.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't contradicting it, but I was more like
Speaker 2: I was way more aggressive in that approach, and that
Speaker 2: was my that was my personality. And I felt like
Speaker 2: sometimes I could have just said, hey, you know, talk
Speaker 2: to coach, talk to the doctors. I'm gonna do everything
Speaker 2: I can, but they're gonna make the final decision or
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, right right, And I did say
Speaker 2: they're gonna make the final decision, but I just said
Speaker 2: it way more aggressively, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right.
Speaker 2: Personality is, Hey, RG, you think you could go make
Speaker 2: the Olympic team right now in the foreigner hurdles. Yes,
Speaker 2: if I go training, yes I can do. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm two hundred and twenty pounds. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I could make the Olympic team in the foreigner hurdles.
Speaker 2: I love those guys. These guys are incredible. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go train for two weeks and be like, Yep,
Speaker 2: I can do it. But if you asked me to
Speaker 2: do it. I try, you know, so I feel like
Speaker 2: I could have done a better job, a better better
Speaker 2: job with that. But there was a lot of things
Speaker 2: that were being said that just rubbed me the wrong
Speaker 2: way because I knew they weren't true. And that is
Speaker 2: where I would say I could have ignored it better.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean it, dude, It is hard,
Speaker 1: especially in Washington.
Speaker 2: Put it in context, like you're in the nation's capital, right, Uh,
Speaker 2: Barack Obama's the president, and you got a black quarterback.
Speaker 2: Screwtiny is at all time high. Okay, Right, that was
Speaker 2: the part where I felt like, you know, just ignore
Speaker 2: the noise. Ignore the noise, don't let it affect anything.
Speaker 2: Don't don't don't make it change you. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yeah, And I think by the time you
Speaker 2: you probably attested by the time I left Washington, I
Speaker 2: was not having fun anymore.
Speaker 3: Right, you would try to force it in practice like
Speaker 3: on the peace squad side.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, yeah, for.
Speaker 2: Sure, I showed that. I never showed that to you guys,
Speaker 2: but you Niles d Y like we were close. They
Speaker 2: knew I wasn't having fun. But I did my job.
Speaker 2: I was a good teammate in twenty fifteen. I was
Speaker 2: not a cancer on that team. We won the divisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I didn't play a snap of football, right.
Speaker 2: I did what I was supposed to do. They asked
Speaker 2: me play scout team safety. I play scout team safety.
Speaker 2: You know, I stayed out to practice. I got my
Speaker 2: work in, work on my craft. And but every people
Speaker 2: who knew me, I knew I wasn't having fun, but
Speaker 2: I never showed that in the building. I showed up
Speaker 2: to meetings. I was. I was into it. I was helpful.
Speaker 2: I helped uh, you know Kirk Doll the do all
Speaker 2: the studying and the recognition on the field, whatever it
Speaker 2: may be that you're supposed to do. I did those things.
Speaker 2: I'm not for a pet on the back form. It's
Speaker 2: just that's what happened and what I'm doing now in Baltimore,
Speaker 2: and that year off of football helped reset me, helped
Speaker 2: me have fun again. When I came back in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: I played in the preseason like I'm a you know,
Speaker 2: second overall pick. I'm not a guy that like was
Speaker 2: living for the preseason. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 2: guess what that was my situation. I was the fourth
Speaker 2: quarterback on the roster. You know, I had to accept that, Like, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm the fourth quarterback on the roster. I was getting
Speaker 2: two reps a day in practice for the majority of
Speaker 2: training camp. I'm like, you know, I'm not getting a
Speaker 2: lot of reps. I'll stay at to practice, I'll do this.
Speaker 2: But I know that I can ball. And I went
Speaker 2: out that preseason and I played my ass off, and
Speaker 2: I think that's why I made the team. I think
Speaker 2: that's why they brought me back for the two year deal,
Speaker 2: because they understand that I'm always going to be ready
Speaker 2: and that year, the year a football in twin seventeen,
Speaker 2: really helped me reset my brain really start having fun
Speaker 2: playing the game again, and I think that's a big
Speaker 2: reason why I was able to come back in the
Speaker 2: way they'll.
Speaker 1: Have you think. You think being out of football, being
Speaker 1: out of football.
Speaker 3: For a year was was a huge play for you
Speaker 3: to actually get in the right headspace to come back again.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: I think I was going to ask, I was going
Speaker 3: to ask if that was your lowest year mentally, but
Speaker 3: you're you you what was your lowest point throughout the
Speaker 3: process of transitioning out of Washington and then rekindling it
Speaker 3: all in the Baltimore Ravens because I want to know,
Speaker 3: I want to know about your perseverance in that adversity
Speaker 3: of being like, you know, low key, I might be
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that. You know, football is
Speaker 2: a team game, so it's hard to say. Hey, twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen was my was my lowest year. It was it
Speaker 2: because we were winning and we weren't winning a ton
Speaker 2: as you know we were. I think we're nine and
Speaker 2: seven or yeah, we won. We had that one division,
Speaker 2: but the division was down that year. That was like chaotic.
Speaker 2: Also though if you remember, yeah, remember we played Philly.
Speaker 2: I think it was Philly. I think it was Philly,
Speaker 2: and like, uh at Philly took me instead of killing.
Speaker 1: The Yeah yeah, yeah, that was the game we won
Speaker 1: the division.
Speaker 2: We won the division that game, but he took a
Speaker 2: knee at halftime instead of killing the clock for us
Speaker 2: to kill kick a field goal. And I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: Like I'm on the side and I'm like what just happened?
Speaker 2: And we're like walking in and we walked in the
Speaker 2: locker room, and I mean this is I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: if somebody has already told this story before. But like
Speaker 2: Pierre is like about to whoop Jay's ass, and uh,
Speaker 2: Deshaun is about to whip Jay's ass, and like Deshaun
Speaker 2: passes out in the locker room and what is going on?
Speaker 2: And then it happened and won the game? Yes, all right,
Speaker 2: well we just won the division. I don't know how
Speaker 2: it happened. I don't know what was going on at halftime,
Speaker 2: but we won the division. Yeah. So I can't say
Speaker 2: that because I was I didn't you know, any any
Speaker 2: guy is gonna want to play, right, But from my
Speaker 2: team and the guys that I was there with, I
Speaker 2: was really happy for them in that moment. Twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: was tough because I got hurt right away. I came
Speaker 2: out in the I came out in the preseason in
Speaker 2: Cleveland and we were killing it. I had Josh Gordon
Speaker 2: there and we were doing really well. And we went
Speaker 2: to Philly and I broke my shoulder right away. That
Speaker 2: was a tough year. We lost every game until I
Speaker 2: came back on Christmas Day and we beat the Chargers.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking in my head, all right, you know
Speaker 2: I was injured. I came back helped them win a game.
Speaker 2: I'll be back next year. I'll get one more go
Speaker 2: at it. They're probably gonna draft a rookie high and
Speaker 2: I'll have one more go out of here and we'll
Speaker 2: go go about our ways. And they told me we're
Speaker 2: bringing you back, and then they released me.
Speaker 1: So it's got I hate that part of the business.
Speaker 2: Brou I hate that part of the business. But it's
Speaker 2: you know, you want to say, just be honest, right,
Speaker 2: don't don't lie to me. And I mean it was like,
Speaker 2: within like sixteen hours, I got a call. I got
Speaker 2: a call, We're bringing you back. Don't worry about any
Speaker 2: of this stuff. I think it was when they trade
Speaker 2: it for brock Oswaller. So I'm like, okay, I'll compete
Speaker 2: with Brock. You know I used to kick his ass
Speaker 2: in training when we were coming out for the draft.
Speaker 1: So let's go yeah, yeah, no doubt, dude.
Speaker 2: We're not We're going to try to trade him and
Speaker 2: get rid of Himn't worry about that. We're bringing you back.
Speaker 2: We're rolling with you. We might draft the guy, but
Speaker 2: you know you're going to get a shot. I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Sixteen hours later, I got the call that I was, Oh,
Speaker 2: what's going on? So now that's transitioning from that happened
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. So now I'm thinking, Okay, they let
Speaker 2: me go. I'm gonna get another opportunity. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: might not get paid as much money, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to get an opportunity to go and compete to be
Speaker 2: a starter. And I got an offer from the Cardinals
Speaker 2: to come in with Bruce Airings and uh, he had
Speaker 2: just brought in like Blaine Gabbard or something. And I remember,
Speaker 2: like for like the past couple of years, I believe
Speaker 2: it was uh, and who is the back up for
Speaker 2: the Browns last year?
Speaker 1: Last year.
Speaker 2: He's real good drinking buddies with Bruce Arions and and
Speaker 2: with the Cardinals was Stanton Yeah, yeah, yeah, yest name
Speaker 2: Drew stand was a backup and I think Carson was
Speaker 2: still was still playing at that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like in my head, I'm talking to my agent
Speaker 2: at the time. I'm like, yeah, you know, Drews has
Speaker 2: come in and not played well, but Bruce really likes him.
Speaker 2: He's good for the room, he's good for Carson. And
Speaker 2: they just they just signed or brought in Blaine Gabbert,
Speaker 2: So why would I go there. I'm gonna be the
Speaker 2: fourth guy, odd man out and uh he said yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, and the contract they offered me, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I can't take that contract. That's just a bad deal.
Speaker 2: So I turned it down. He said, if you turn
Speaker 2: this down, I don't know if you're going to get
Speaker 2: an opportunity to play until training camp. So I turned
Speaker 2: it down, didn't get an opportunity, didn't get another call
Speaker 2: till training camp, and then I had a try with
Speaker 2: the Chargers and I did really well. Killed the workout
Speaker 2: so much that they used it as levers to trade
Speaker 2: for Cardile Jones. Yeah. So they traded for Cardil Jones
Speaker 2: because they're a pressure. They're pressure in the bills with
Speaker 2: me saying, look, if you don't trade him to us
Speaker 2: for whatever pick six round pick, then we're just gonna
Speaker 2: sign RG three. So they traded for him, and I
Speaker 2: got a call from the Baltimore Ravens in twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: when Joe Flaccol hurt his back and they said, we
Speaker 2: want you to come in. We're going to play, We're
Speaker 2: going to play the Redskins, but we want you to
Speaker 2: start the game because they were trying to hide Ryan
Speaker 2: Malleck because they didn't know if Joe was going to
Speaker 2: be healthy. I didn't want Male to get hurt playing
Speaker 2: against the Redskins. I said, all right, man, like, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't I want to play against the Redskins? Right?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: I WO love that. I said, Okay, look, I'll come in.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go like I've been training. I'm all
Speaker 2: for it, but I need you to give me some
Speaker 2: type of assurance that I'm not going to come in
Speaker 2: for two weeks and be released. Because I don't know
Speaker 2: if everyone knows this, but with quarterbacks, when you go
Speaker 2: that route, there's no coming back from that.
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Speaker 2: Now, you don't go somewhere for two weeks in training camp,
Speaker 2: get cut, and then all of a sudden, have a
Speaker 2: ten year career. After that, Usually that happens and you
Speaker 2: transition to some other style of life in your career
Speaker 2: is over. And I felt like I couldn't risk that,
Speaker 2: And at that time, Baltimore wasn't willing to give me
Speaker 2: any type of assurance that you know, whether it be
Speaker 2: financially or verbally, that you're going to be here. We're
Speaker 2: not going to do that to you. So I turned
Speaker 2: it down. And when I turned that down, then I
Speaker 2: got I got a bunch of calls throughout the year,
Speaker 2: but nothing really materialized to the point of a contract offer,
Speaker 2: and I sat out the whole year, so I was
Speaker 2: ready the whole football season, I was throwing one.
Speaker 3: So and you could have actually tooken the chance to
Speaker 3: go do that, and you just chose to turn it down.
Speaker 2: I chose to turn it down on multiple occasions because
Speaker 2: I felt like it just wasn't the right move.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: For sure, this is chess, It's not checkers, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, you don't just take an opportunity
Speaker 2: because it's there, You take the right opportunity. And I
Speaker 2: honestly felt in my heart that I made the wrong
Speaker 2: choice by going to Cleveland, and I was making a
Speaker 2: checkers move instead of a chess move. So I wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna make that mistake again, and it cost me a
Speaker 2: year in my football career. Now, during that year, I
Speaker 2: got to like settle my whole life, like what am
Speaker 2: I gonna do with or without football. I got to
Speaker 2: watch my daughter grow up, I got to spend more
Speaker 2: time with my family out there every single day with me,
Speaker 2: and my wife was telling me, I'm out, I'm out
Speaker 2: at the track. I'm in Miami. I was in I
Speaker 2: was in Florida at the time. I'm out of the
Speaker 2: track in Miami and I'm running three hundred hurdles okay,
Speaker 2: Because I was like, you know what, this is what
Speaker 2: got me here. Why not go back to some of
Speaker 2: this style of training so I can get my speed
Speaker 2: and and and trusting all these other things back. I'm
Speaker 2: running through in the hurdles, and uh, I'm dying. Come,
Speaker 2: I'm dying, like hurting, and like I get to I
Speaker 2: have five reps of it and I get to the
Speaker 2: fourth rep. I finish it and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like dead leg walking, you know, like knees aren't straight,
Speaker 2: knees are bent, no flextioning in the cas because I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm I'm toast. And she says to me, she says, baby,
Speaker 2: you don't have to do this. You don't have to
Speaker 2: do this, like financially secure, you don't have to play
Speaker 2: another down in your life. I don't want to see
Speaker 2: you get hurt, you know, going out there and playing.
Speaker 2: And I said, nah, I said I have five, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do five. Right. I didn't even address the other stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I said I have five, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do five. And I did number five. And when I
Speaker 2: tell you, I couldn't fill my legs afterwards. It was
Speaker 2: like the worst moment of all time. You ever get
Speaker 2: so tired that like someone tries to like touch your
Speaker 2: leg or stretch you, and you like, yeah, let them.
Speaker 2: Like that's how how tired I was.
Speaker 3: When you start like you start like you're so exhausted,
Speaker 3: you start paying a little bit, and you just don't
Speaker 3: even really feel it, like you're just so that exhausted.
Speaker 2: I tell us, she's like, come here. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: don't touch me, let me go.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was. I was toast And we talked about it
Speaker 2: later that day and I'm like, you know what, You're right,
Speaker 2: I am financially secure. I don't have to play anymore.
Speaker 2: But something is keeping me going, something is telling me
Speaker 2: that this is what you're called to do, this is
Speaker 2: where you're supposed to be. So that happened actually pretty
Speaker 2: early in the season. So I'm coming. I'm going out
Speaker 2: the whole year, and I'm throwing footballs at palm Trees
Speaker 2: and I'm at UCF in the spring throwing footballs to
Speaker 2: some of their wide receivers. And I get a call
Speaker 2: from my agent and he says, I think I got
Speaker 2: a couple of workouts lined up for you. He said,
Speaker 2: the Ravens want to bring you in. They have a
Speaker 2: couple of receivers coming in for you, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: throw Like all right, cool, Like you want me to
Speaker 2: work out, bro, that's not a problem. Go to the workout.
Speaker 2: It's Willie Snead and Michael Floyd. And when I tell
Speaker 2: you how to ball hit the ground, not a ball
Speaker 2: hit the ground. It was like we have been practicing
Speaker 2: for like ten years together. It was just like a
Speaker 2: match made in heaven. And they tell us after the workout,
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, we're gonna we want to sign you
Speaker 2: Willie and Michael Ford. So Willie signed first. I went
Speaker 2: to another workout a couple of days later with the
Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jacksonville Jaguars, and I did. I killed that workout
Speaker 2: as well. It was me, honestly, can't remember who the
Speaker 2: other guys were. But Austin Davis, who now coaches for Seattle,
Speaker 2: he was one of the guys at that workout and
Speaker 2: we're killing the workout and Austin's like, man, you you
Speaker 2: look good. Man, Like I wish they wouldn't have pared
Speaker 2: me with you to come to this workout because the
Speaker 2: visual difference, the visual difference is like and I'm like
Speaker 2: laughing about it. I'm like, hey, man, you know you
Speaker 2: look good to you did your thing, Like, hey, come on.
Speaker 2: I got a call a couple days later from the
Speaker 2: Ravens offering a contract, and it wasn't the contract that
Speaker 2: I wanted, right. It was a bad deal for me
Speaker 2: and in my point of my career. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: if I'm going to bet on anybody, I gotta bet
Speaker 2: on myself. So bet on myself. Took the deal. It
Speaker 2: was a fourth quarterback on the roster behind Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: Lamar got drafted. A couple of weeks later, we had
Speaker 2: Josh Woodrum. It was the third quarterback who had like
Speaker 2: a really great preseason the year before. And there's me
Speaker 2: and I had to fight through a lot. The cool
Speaker 2: story about that year in twenty eighteen was we played
Speaker 2: the Dolphins in the third preseason game and coach told
Speaker 2: me at the beginning of the week, you're not playing
Speaker 2: this week. So I'm like, you know, complaint. I'm now
Speaker 2: I'm in a situation where I'm like, am I going
Speaker 2: to make the team?
Speaker 4: Like I know, what are they?
Speaker 2: What are they doing here? Like I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: what I was fearing. Like I didn't want to come
Speaker 2: back and be put in a situation like that because
Speaker 2: it's not good perception wise for my career. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, you know, maybe it means I'm going to
Speaker 2: make the team, and now they don't need me to
Speaker 2: play in this game because I've already solidified it right
Speaker 2: through all these scenarios in your head. I had already
Speaker 2: solidified I already in the Hall of Fame game played well.
Speaker 2: I played in the next game against the Colts, played well.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, I've done my thing. There's
Speaker 2: nowhere they're gonna let me go. So like after I didn't,
Speaker 2: I didn't practice it all that week, no reps at all.
Speaker 2: I'm after practice every day, I'm going through the script
Speaker 2: and I'm thrown. I'm like Okay, I'm gonna stay ready
Speaker 2: just in case, right, just in case something happens. It's
Speaker 2: not like he said, hey, RG, you're not dressing this week.
Speaker 2: He just said, you know, you're not probably not gonna
Speaker 2: play this week. Yeah, And I started that game.
Speaker 3: Hey, way to stay ready though, That's what that's what
Speaker 3: guys don't understand.
Speaker 2: Is because when your opportunity comes, you don't know. So
Speaker 2: I stayed ready, I ran through the script, I was thrown,
Speaker 2: I was doing all these things. And the night, the
Speaker 2: night before the game, he tells me, Hey, we're gonna
Speaker 2: sit the starters. H So there's a chance that you're
Speaker 2: gonna play. And I'm like, nowhere is coach. I've been
Speaker 2: staying ready. I'll be good. Day of the game, I
Speaker 2: get a text message, Hey, RG, you're starting tonight. Now.
Speaker 2: This is me starting without the starting left tackle, without
Speaker 2: Marshall Yanda, without the two starting receivers, who at the
Speaker 2: time were Michael Crabtree and John Brown, Smoky and uh
Speaker 2: going against the Miami Dolphins number one defense Cameron Wake
Speaker 2: all these guys, you know, just heat seeking missiles off
Speaker 2: the edge, right, and we went out and we moved
Speaker 2: the ball up and down the field on them, and
Speaker 2: uh played great. And that's why I didn't even have to.
Speaker 2: We had the Redskins the next week, and everybody's like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: RG is gonna play against the Redskins in the preseason YadA,
Speaker 2: yaha yah, And coach didn't even play me in that
Speaker 2: game because I was ready to go against the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: So it was it was a testament. And like for
Speaker 2: the rest of that year, everybody just kept saying, hey, RG,
Speaker 2: you ready, Yeah, we know you ready, and yeah. It
Speaker 2: was just a thing with the locker room because they knew, like,
Speaker 2: how's this guy gonna go all week with no reps?
Speaker 2: Start the game, play well, hit the team and and
Speaker 2: have this comeback story start. First time Baltimore kept three
Speaker 2: quarterbacks I think in like nine years. It was truly special.
Speaker 2: So the lowest point for me was probably also the
Speaker 2: highest point, which was in twenty seventeen. Because you can
Speaker 2: never complain about spending time with your family. You can
Speaker 2: never sure for sure, you know, getting to watch your
Speaker 2: kids grow. And if I had if I had stayed
Speaker 2: home and been out of football that whole year and
Speaker 2: then lost the passion for the game and just was like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go do this. I'm gonna go do that. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do this. I wouldn't be playing right now. I didn't
Speaker 2: lose it. It made the fire inside of me grow
Speaker 2: even more, and it taught me a lot about myself.
Speaker 2: I just think this is what Goy's called me to do.
Speaker 2: He didn't be a backup quarterback, but right now, being
Speaker 2: honest with you, right now, that's my role and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be the best at that role. And I
Speaker 2: think if you ask anybody in the Ravens organization, they'll
Speaker 2: tell you. You know, I show up to work every
Speaker 2: single day to go out there and kick ass. I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not here to play games because I understand
Speaker 2: how valuable it is. And I understood it in Washington,
Speaker 2: I understood it in Cleveland. But now having all those
Speaker 2: experiences in my belt, for understand how valuable this time
Speaker 2: is and how much you have to make the most
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: For sure. That's you know.
Speaker 3: I love hearing that, dude, And you said you said
Speaker 3: it earlier, like I learned a lot about myself, Like
Speaker 3: that moment where you prepared that week not knowing if
Speaker 3: you're going to start, because that's how a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff happens for guys, Like your opportunity comes just out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and if you fail at that opportunity, you
Speaker 3: know how you know how guys are. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but everybody has every reason in the book to say
Speaker 3: why you failed, but that that is the majority of
Speaker 3: just really life.
Speaker 1: Why the NFL, It's.
Speaker 3: Like being ready for all these opportunities and that's what's
Speaker 3: gonna happen for you. Like for me, I would have
Speaker 3: never gotten my shot had Kenan Robinson not tourist Peck.
Speaker 3: The first practice of training camp, I was fourth on
Speaker 3: the depth chart. Another undrafted guy ahead of me, Jeremy
Speaker 3: Kimbro and he had heard his hamstring right before the
Speaker 3: first preseason game.
Speaker 1: So I got a shot to play with the twos.
Speaker 3: And then people come up to me like I remember Shanahan, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I should call you, mister interception because I think I
Speaker 3: got I picked on off from like you and Kirk
Speaker 3: one day in practice and you just start getting noticed
Speaker 3: and you're just like you stick to like what you
Speaker 3: were doing, even when you have every reason to like
Speaker 3: doubt yourself, doubt the experience and be like.
Speaker 1: I don't care if I'm done after this. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know exactly what you say. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: ahead and say that you probably didn't pick me off.
Speaker 2: But it's okay.
Speaker 3: You can say, Hey, I'm gonna have to find that
Speaker 3: film laughing it up. I'm gonna have to hit up
Speaker 3: Big mic Hey, Big Mike get back in the video.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But no, you you you came in and it
Speaker 2: was it was just like, man, like these opportunities, it's
Speaker 2: not I wouldn't. I don't want to say fell into
Speaker 2: your lap, because you definitely earned them. But whenever you
Speaker 2: have a guy go down in front of you, you
Speaker 2: you're not like, you're not praying for that. You're not
Speaker 2: you know, making that happen. It just happens. And when
Speaker 2: you sat in there, you balled out, you know, like
Speaker 2: after a couple of weeks in training camp and and
Speaker 2: really after the first preseason game, most of us knew
Speaker 2: you were going to make the team.
Speaker 1: It was met.
Speaker 2: It was just a matter of Okay, well he's undrafted,
Speaker 2: and they liked this guy, and maybe they paid this
Speaker 2: guy a little more money.
Speaker 1: For sure, they're going to do.
Speaker 2: With that guy. It wasn't an issue of did you
Speaker 2: make enough plays? You made enough plays and uh, you
Speaker 2: know that group you you Noiles, d Y and those
Speaker 2: guys were were always like like that. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was really cool to see that. But
Speaker 2: the guys have to understand that your opportunity is going
Speaker 2: to come when you least expected. And since that opportunity,
Speaker 2: you know, like like you said, guys will have excuses.
Speaker 2: I could have had the excuse. I could have said, well, coach,
Speaker 2: you didn't give me any reps.
Speaker 1: Right, if you would have played bad, you would have.
Speaker 2: Every every excuse in the book and every every reason
Speaker 2: to say this is why I didn't play well. But
Speaker 2: the reason he kept me was because in a regular
Speaker 2: season game, when you're used to being a starter, it's
Speaker 2: really hard to be a backup. It's really hard to
Speaker 2: be a backup. Yes, and I'm and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: like I'm too good for this, I'm too good for that. No, man,
Speaker 2: Look this is where I'm at. I'm I'm making the
Speaker 2: most of it, but this is where I want to be.
Speaker 2: You weren't the fourth guy on the on the depth
Speaker 2: chart saying you know what, I'm the fourth guy on
Speaker 2: the depth chart. Yeah, you were saying, I'm better than
Speaker 2: that guy. I'm better than that guy. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: show it. I'm gonna show it every single day, and
Speaker 2: when my opportunity comes, I'm gonna make the most of it.
Speaker 2: So they got to see me, with no reps all week,
Speaker 2: go out and perform at a high level. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what every backup QB in the league has to do,
Speaker 2: no reps all week and then go out and play
Speaker 2: at high level if your number is called. So I
Speaker 2: think that gave them the confidence. And obviously what I've
Speaker 2: done in the past in Washington and in Cleveland, when
Speaker 2: I'm sure, also gave them that confidence. But it's just
Speaker 2: I can't stress it enough. You have to be ready.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this. That is what drove me.
Speaker 2: That is what drove me in fifteen when I didn't
Speaker 2: play a down. That's what drove me in sixteen when
Speaker 2: I broke my shoulder. It's what drove me in seventeen
Speaker 2: when I was out of ball. The only difference for
Speaker 2: me was I let go of DC. I let it go.
Speaker 2: I hadn't let it go yet, and I hadn't let
Speaker 2: it go until twenty seventeen when I was out, and
Speaker 2: I didn't understand how much of a burden that was
Speaker 2: for me. You know, I'm like, it was not fair.
Speaker 2: I didn't get this opportunity. Me and you had the conversation.
Speaker 2: After that conversation, I was like, like, I can't keep
Speaker 2: having this conversation. I can't keep having this conversation, like
Speaker 2: and just like continue to hold on to that, and
Speaker 2: it's in it. You know, it's gonna sound cliche, but
Speaker 2: it set me free. It set me free to let
Speaker 2: that go, to say, it happened, you learn from it.
Speaker 2: It happened. Now, what what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: And I did not want to be the guy that
Speaker 2: wasn't ready. So if I never played another down in
Speaker 2: football after seventeen, after sixteen and I was out all seventeen,
Speaker 2: if I had never played another down, I looked my
Speaker 2: wife in the face and I said, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be because of me. It's not going to be
Speaker 2: because I wasn't ready. It's not gonna be because they
Speaker 2: offered me a contract, and the ones that I turned
Speaker 2: down last year, I wasn't going to accept. This year.
Speaker 2: I accepted the offer. I'm like I hate it. It's
Speaker 2: a bad offer, but guess what, I'm gonna go play football.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and then Lamar's reaction.
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, Lamar got drafted. Two weeks later, I'm like, mother,
Speaker 2: I know, are they gonna you know? You know how
Speaker 2: it goes, last guy in, first guy out. So I'm
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, all right, well, shoot, I just got signed.
Speaker 2: I was the third one I got signed. Now they
Speaker 2: draft Lamar, I'm the fourth. Are they gonna keep me here?
Speaker 2: And I think the relation, obviously, the obvious thing is
Speaker 2: that we're both African American quarterbacks, both Heisman Trophy winners,
Speaker 2: and both dual threat quarterbacks. I think that value is
Speaker 2: what saved me, and and my reaction too. If I'd
Speaker 2: have had a bad reaction to it, then I probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been in Baltimore. But my reaction and willing
Speaker 2: to be a mentor to him, I think is what
Speaker 2: kept me in twenty eighteen. And then obviously my play
Speaker 2: helped me make the team and all the other things.
Speaker 3: Everything else is yeah, how is how is your relationship
Speaker 3: with Lamar?
Speaker 1: Obviously good?
Speaker 3: But talk a little bit about Lamar and the steps
Speaker 3: he kind of made you in the year two. We'll
Speaker 3: get into your playoff loss in a second, but I know,
Speaker 3: but talk about Lamar a little bit.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I would say that. You know, I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know much about LJ when
Speaker 2: he came in, so I wasn't sure you know how
Speaker 2: that was going to be. You know, I'm a guy
Speaker 2: that I'm always competing, you know, right, It's just my nature.
Speaker 2: It's how I'm how I'm wired. I'm not wired to be,
Speaker 2: you know, a backup. It's just that's how That's why
Speaker 2: teams were reluctant to sign me in seventeen because they
Speaker 2: didn't they didn't want me to come in and they
Speaker 2: and challenge the starter to the level that they knew
Speaker 2: I would challenge him, right, But with Lamar, I saw
Speaker 2: that more as an opportunity to really work on myself,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Give him the guy said I
Speaker 2: didn't have when I came in, You know, no offense
Speaker 2: to the guys that I had when I came in.
Speaker 2: But I had Rex Grossman and Kirk Cousins, two guys
Speaker 2: that don't play ball like I played ball, two guys
Speaker 2: that don't look like me. Two guys who haven't done
Speaker 2: it the way that I've done it, and it was
Speaker 2: it was less guidance and more just going out there and.
Speaker 3: Competing every single day, right because one of them, one
Speaker 3: of them was in your draft, like Kirk was in
Speaker 3: your draft class, Like, yeah, a different setup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kirk was in my draft class. And then Rex was,
Speaker 2: you know, the gun slinger who had been to the
Speaker 2: playoffs with the Bears and was kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: in the tail end of his career and bounced around
Speaker 2: a little bit with with Shannon, just having fun and
Speaker 2: you know, you know what passes. Yeah, no, look passes
Speaker 2: like Rex was. Don't get me wrong, Rex was awesome.
Speaker 2: Like I enjoyed the time, but it wasn't like I
Speaker 2: had a quarterback to mentor me in the ways that
Speaker 2: Lamar has had with me over the past years. So
Speaker 2: I wanted to be that for him. I let him
Speaker 2: know early on, like, look, man, I'm here for you.
Speaker 2: If you got any questions, you can ask me. I
Speaker 2: constantly talked to him, but I'm also here to whip
Speaker 2: your ass. Okay, spot, I want that spot, but I'm
Speaker 2: here to help you. And our relationship in year two,
Speaker 2: I believe was better than Year one. Our relationship in
Speaker 2: year one wasn't bad. I think our relationship in year
Speaker 2: one was good. He came to me, talked to me,
Speaker 2: We talked about different things. I mentored him on certain things.
Speaker 2: But our relationship last year was was was was light
Speaker 2: years ahead because I felt like a lot in year one,
Speaker 2: I was having to go to him and say hey, this,
Speaker 2: that and the other. And in year two he was
Speaker 2: coming to me. He was he was more actively trying
Speaker 2: to learn and ask me questions about certain things. Because
Speaker 2: he constantly reminds me of this. He says, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't forgot you r G three like, and it
Speaker 2: makes me laugh because I'm like, yo, am I really
Speaker 2: that old? Like? Am I that old that he does that?
Speaker 2: He sees me that way, and you know, he does
Speaker 2: see me that way. He sees me as as RG three,
Speaker 2: And I think in year two he started to see
Speaker 2: me as a brother. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's what I want for him. Like I told
Speaker 2: him the other day, I wanted our Zoom meetings. I said, look, man,
Speaker 2: this has been awesome to be a part of this
Speaker 2: with you, to watch you blossom from year one a
Speaker 2: year two and go win the MVP and and put
Speaker 2: up the numbers that you put up from all the
Speaker 2: hard work that you've done. And I let him know, like, Bro,
Speaker 2: that is you. You know that that's not me, That's
Speaker 2: not the quarterback coach or the offensive coordinator anyone else.
Speaker 2: That is you. Now everyone has a part in it, correct,
Speaker 2: that is that is what you've done. And I told
Speaker 2: him it's been fun to be a part of that,
Speaker 2: you know, And I hit him with the classic I
Speaker 2: don't plan on being the backup for forever, but it's
Speaker 2: been fun. And he laughs, and then he comes back
Speaker 2: and he says the thing that like means the most
Speaker 2: to me, you know, Like he's like, look, man, it's
Speaker 2: not just me. I needed you you guys to get
Speaker 2: it done. And I want you to know that this
Speaker 2: is us. And I'm like that means a lot, right,
Speaker 2: you know, I can always I was talking to a
Speaker 2: guy in the building about us, said, look, I want
Speaker 2: to win a super Bowl and I want to be
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback. But if there's ever a place that
Speaker 2: I want to win a super Bowl and I have
Speaker 2: to be a backup, it'd be Baltimore. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I don't think you have access to themselves.
Speaker 2: I just want to win a Super Bowl. I don't
Speaker 2: care how I get it done. It's a special moment
Speaker 2: no matter what. But I feel like the bond I
Speaker 2: have here in Baltimore, with the team, with the organization,
Speaker 2: with the starting quarterback makes it that much more special.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's been. It's been a great relationship, man.
Speaker 2: And I never in a million years thought from twenty
Speaker 2: twelve to twenty twenty that I'd ever be in this position, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But now that I'm in
Speaker 2: this position currently, uh, I don't think that there'd be
Speaker 2: a better situation for me to be in, uh where
Speaker 2: I'm at. You know, we had a hell of a
Speaker 2: ride last year, and I know you want to get
Speaker 2: to the playoff loss, so I'll help you to segue there.
Speaker 1: That'll be my last question.
Speaker 2: We had a hell of a year and I think
Speaker 2: I played more than any backup quarterback that didn't have
Speaker 2: an injury to the starter, right. You know, we were
Speaker 2: blowing teams out.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. It's like a high school
Speaker 1: It's like the back of a high school T shirt, dude.
Speaker 2: Where I'm like, you just kind of I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: helping coach pick out plays and calls and whatever, giving
Speaker 2: them idea should I say, because you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not the play caller, and they do a hell
Speaker 2: of a job, but you know, giving them I das
Speaker 2: from what I see and they're like, hey, you're in
Speaker 2: next drive. I'm like what. I'm like, okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just been chilling. Hey, someone wore me up.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: The craziest thing was like the Miami game, first game
Speaker 2: of the year. We were blowing them out right. They
Speaker 2: played a bunch of cover zero and we we killed it,
Speaker 2: and I like, go in. I didn't even travel with
Speaker 2: the team that game because my wife had just had
Speaker 2: our baby, Gomea. So I travel on the Southwest flight
Speaker 2: to get to the game after the team had already
Speaker 2: departed and landed. So I'm on the Southwest flight with
Speaker 2: all the Ravens fans and they're like, what are you
Speaker 2: doing here? What are you doing? I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I missed flight. I had to. You know, I didn't
Speaker 2: have to, but coach will let me be there for
Speaker 2: the book of my kid. Literally, you know, less than
Speaker 2: twelve hours later, I'm playing on the field. I go
Speaker 2: six for six for sixty some odd yards, still a
Speaker 2: touchdown and dedicate the touchdown to my wife and the
Speaker 2: newborn baby. So it was like it was just a
Speaker 2: it was a crazy world, woman, and it was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. Now when we got to the playoff
Speaker 2: game and how that all unfolded folded, what happened one
Speaker 2: of the most heartbreaking moments ever.
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Speaker 1: Y'all were like the skuad dude like defense offense, like.
Speaker 2: Not gonna lie. We were on a roll offensively and defensively,
Speaker 2: and you know it was. It was a sad scene
Speaker 2: on the sideline, very sad, feel like it was a
Speaker 2: bye week. I think it was. I don't want to
Speaker 2: say that, you know, I know It's.
Speaker 3: So hard because when you get to that spot, you
Speaker 3: want the bye week for your body. Yeah, but then
Speaker 3: when you say, like you guys lost, like hindsight is like,
Speaker 3: was our momentum gone from having a bye week?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Honest, you know, I don't know. I don't know, because
Speaker 2: I know coaches wrestled with this a bunch because we
Speaker 2: they we rested the starters the last week of the season.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's right. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: We had for for so for the I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: the majority of the guys, but for you know, seven
Speaker 2: eight nine guys they had two by weeks, and uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if our momentum was gone. I just
Speaker 2: think that. You know, it's gonna be sound real clich ish,
Speaker 2: but when things are supposed to happen for you, they
Speaker 2: happened for you, right. You know, I look at it
Speaker 2: from from Washington. Washington wasn't meant to be at that time,
Speaker 2: so I had to go on a journey to get
Speaker 2: somewhere else, and then from Baltimore had to go on
Speaker 2: journal to get somewhere else. Yeah, saying all that, Man,
Speaker 2: it was tough, bro, I know it was tough, bro.
Speaker 2: It was. It was I'm like on the sideline, like
Speaker 2: trying to reverse time or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it was a bunch of dominoes too, right, we
Speaker 2: had like all we had a turnover, then we had
Speaker 2: a turnover on downs and like when you look up,
Speaker 2: it's like twenty one and nothing, and you're and you're
Speaker 2: a run based team, right and you're down twenty one
Speaker 2: and nothing, and and it might be still first or
Speaker 2: second quarter, but people are already thinking there's no way
Speaker 2: we can come back from this. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: the players are thinking that, because you know, that's a
Speaker 2: different breed and how we think. Right, it was, it
Speaker 2: was tough, man Like. I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it happened other than the fact
Speaker 2: that they punched us in the mouth and they kept
Speaker 2: punching us in the mouth. That Derek, I'm not going there, bro,
Speaker 2: that's my teammates, right, I'm not uh. And I think
Speaker 2: in any of the guys that tell you you have
Speaker 2: to give credit with credits to you know, they came
Speaker 2: into our house and they beat us. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 2: just beat us, they beat us up and I think
Speaker 2: that's why you saw some of the moves in the
Speaker 2: offseason that we made defensively. You know, you bringing Derek Wolf,
Speaker 2: you bring Kalas Campbell, you signed Marcus Peters to an extension,
Speaker 2: you know, all these different things. You bring back Jimmy Smith,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, we we have you know, you what
Speaker 2: did they say we need to help with linebackers whatever
Speaker 2: may be? You draft two young linebackers from two prestigious programs,
Speaker 2: and guys that are ballers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: These guys are really good player right right? And offensively,
Speaker 2: you add more speed, you know, you you create more mismatches.
Speaker 2: Obviously you want Marshall back. Right, if I'm playing GM,
Speaker 2: you want Marshall back. You offer Marshall thirty million to.
Speaker 1: Come back for one more Hall of Famer bro No doubt.
Speaker 2: He's a Hall of Famer, heck of a player. But
Speaker 2: you know he took that thirty million and turned it
Speaker 2: into you know, forty five pounds and looks like a
Speaker 2: teenage boy. Now I don't know what that is going on,
Speaker 2: but uh it's uh I think are you know? Eric
Speaker 2: Decasa has done an amazing job. You know, he's a
Speaker 2: guy that believed in me, brought me, brought me in
Speaker 2: when uh, you know, other teams wouldn't. So I trust
Speaker 2: the guy, trust what they're doing, and they're building a
Speaker 2: team that will be able to overcome some of the
Speaker 2: downfalls that we had in the playoffs, and that's the
Speaker 2: only thing you can do. But I know, I know
Speaker 2: those are your boys, So you're like, you're probably like, heck, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, my guy's got them. But Lawan, man, he was.
Speaker 2: He was on one that game. He was He's on
Speaker 2: one every.
Speaker 1: Game, so I know, I mean, I was surprised. I
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: I was surprised. Like watching obviously, because you're going into
Speaker 3: that game. You know, the Raiders we didn't go to
Speaker 3: the playoffs, so you're sitting back watching and you're like, ah,
Speaker 3: they probably won't make it past the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Like them. Ravens are like this team. And then it
Speaker 1: was happening.
Speaker 3: You're like, holy shit, man, like, yo, these boys got
Speaker 3: a legit shot. They beat New England, they beat y'all.
Speaker 3: It's like, Yo, these boys got a legit shot.
Speaker 2: I was. I would say that you could probably you know,
Speaker 2: from my perspective, you could feel the tension on the
Speaker 2: field like everyone knew this is not supposed to be happening,
Speaker 2: like this is this is our year, you know, big
Speaker 2: truss all that where everybody's saying it whoo whoop. And
Speaker 2: we weren't a team that was like hot and cold,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we were just.
Speaker 2: We're just a hot team, and we were doing it
Speaker 2: in a bruising fashion.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you see teams that throw the ball a lot,
Speaker 2: they cool down a little bit and yea, you got
Speaker 2: better defenses, people know your scheme, YadA YadA yah. But
Speaker 2: we were just you know, bruising and you know, high flying,
Speaker 2: big plays here and there. But really the basis of
Speaker 2: what we did was running the rock, and uh, it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was very weird. Let me put it that way.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect it. I won't say we weren't ready,
Speaker 2: because we were ready, you know. So this wasn't uh,
Speaker 2: you know, no NFL teams like this. And I don't
Speaker 2: want to, you know, make this guy sound bad, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't Buster Douglas beating Tyson. Yeah, any any NFL
Speaker 2: team can beat a team on any given Sunday. Every
Speaker 2: team has talent. But we were like the you know
Speaker 2: the Tyson, the Holy you know, the Holy Field of Ali.
Speaker 2: We were that brand and we just we got hit
Speaker 2: in the face. Man, like they just beat us. There's
Speaker 2: no other explanation. That week of practice. I'm like, we're ready.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go to the super Bowl. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: blessed enough to put on that Super Bowl had and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna win the damn super Bowl. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't meant to be last year. But nobody
Speaker 2: saying we can't do it this here and I think
Speaker 2: our guys are hungry, so you know that's that. But
Speaker 2: I love I love my team. These guys are awesome.
Speaker 2: It's what you see on TV from them is exactly
Speaker 2: who they are, right. Mark Ingram is hilarious, big ball
Speaker 2: of energy, and Justin Tucker is cringeworthy, funny. That's that's
Speaker 2: what he does.
Speaker 3: You know, that's awesome. Well, shoot, man, I appreciate you
Speaker 3: coming on, bro, we putting.
Speaker 1: Some time on this thing.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, man. You I'm happy for you. Bro. I
Speaker 2: feel like you're you're killing it. I want you to
Speaker 2: keep playing, obviously because I want us to, you know,
Speaker 2: ride this thing out. As as long as you possibly can.
Speaker 2: But you know, what you're doing in your your second
Speaker 2: career is incredible and I'm happy for you.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 1: When you come to Nashville, you're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: on the bus with the boy.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to get like, get d Wyan, maybe Niles,
Speaker 3: get just tell some stories.
Speaker 2: Bro, We got to bring in Dyniles and then we
Speaker 2: got to get the guy who doesn't talk very much.
Speaker 2: If for Mores to come in with us, yes, yes, dude,
Speaker 2: that'll be awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, brother, love you, man. I appreciate you too.
Speaker 2: Man, God bless you.
Speaker 1: See you.
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