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Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, it's Thursday, January twenty ninth, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where I guess

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Speaker 1: we're just killing time until next week.

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Speaker 2: It's being your Man, nam G Marcus Grant.

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Speaker 1: Joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pro Bowl Week Weekend. Yay, Yay.

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Speaker 3: Chadur Week is what we are sure.

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Speaker 1: Sure we actually were actually gonna talk about Schaudur on

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Speaker 1: this show, but not in not in that context.

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Speaker 3: But no one pounded the table harder for him to

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Speaker 3: be a Pro bowler more than markets Me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, me and mel Kiper that was.

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Speaker 1: It was the two of us who were like the

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Speaker 1: biggest chardure Pro Bowl advocates of all time. I am

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Speaker 1: this is not a shod thing. This is not a

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Speaker 1: shoud door thing. I'm gonna say that right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: of the opinion that we have evolved past the point.

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Speaker 2: Of needing all star games. All I agree anymore?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not fun anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're not fun anymore.

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Speaker 1: Like and especially like, the Pro Bowl has long stopped

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Speaker 1: being fun because that's why they've changed it to a

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Speaker 1: flag football thing. Because guys just don't want to get

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Speaker 1: hurt because they don't really care because it.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: Like I've never really been into hockey, but every time

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Speaker 1: I watched, every time I see something about the NHL

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Speaker 1: All Star Game, like the final.

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Speaker 2: Score is like fifteen thirteen or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Like the NBA, the NBA keeps trying all these different

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Speaker 1: formats of different things. Now they're playing like a round

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Speaker 1: robin tournament or something like that with like USA versus

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Speaker 1: the World or whatever, which I mean, honestly is look

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Speaker 1: USA or whatever, but like the World's gonna kick our

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Speaker 1: ass because they got they got Wimby and Jokic and SGA,

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Speaker 1: like the world, Like if we're taking the field, I'll

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Speaker 1: take the field over the US. So they keep changing

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Speaker 1: the format. Baseball is the only one where the All

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Speaker 2: Like a regular game, but.

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Speaker 1: Even the thrill of seeing like like one because free

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Speaker 1: one free agency, so the guys changed teams all the time,

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Speaker 1: but also because of interleague play, like the idea of

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Speaker 1: you know, once upon a time seeing like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: the show Hay, you know, hitting against uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: name the top pitch in the American League, like you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Trek Skouoble right, Like you can see

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Speaker 1: that the regular season now like it's not a special

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Speaker 2: I just doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I know this is way off topic. I think baseball

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Speaker 3: should go back to how it used to be, where

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Speaker 3: there's like two or three weeks of interleague play in

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Speaker 3: June and it's really fun and you get excited for it,

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Speaker 3: and then that's it, right, because, like you said, that's

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Speaker 3: what made like as a kid. I used to be like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm gonna get to see al lighter

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Speaker 3: face Derek Jeter like and like now, like you said,

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Speaker 3: you wake up on a random two Thursday, Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think it was a society have moved past

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Speaker 1: the need of all star games. So my thought on

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is, man, just name a Pro Bowl team.

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Speaker 1: These dudes are bonus. Send them to Hawaii with their

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Speaker 1: families for a few days. I'm like, you know, cool

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Speaker 1: to day, Like that's all we need.

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Speaker 3: Do the Skills Challenge. I love. I like skills you know,

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Speaker 3: I like the Skills Challenges And.

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Speaker 1: I will admit that I was a skeptic to that

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Speaker 1: This is fun, so we can keep the skills challenge.

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Speaker 3: The home run derby, the three point. I think the

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Speaker 3: three point has surpassed the dunk. But all of it

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Speaker 1: Cool without a doubt, without a doubt, and.

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Speaker 2: Like baseball needs what.

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Speaker 1: I say this all the time to people who are

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I went.

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Speaker 1: I went in nineteen eighty seven when I was ten

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Speaker 1: the day before they had all these skills challenges, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like an outfield like accuracy throwing contest. I want

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Speaker 1: to say they had like a hitter's target challenge, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like Tony Gwinn probably won that, but

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Speaker 3: I know they have like a bunting one where it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we need that.

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Speaker 1: We need that back, Like I would totally do that

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Speaker 2: I don't need that. Let's do a real skills challenge. Man.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of the celebrity games.

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Speaker 4: Nah, I like that, though the celebrity games are cool.

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Speaker 1: I grewup with Rock and Jock, Like this is gonna

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Speaker 4: That, you know, there's nothing they do charity matches, you know,

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Speaker 3: Like I kind of like that.

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Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna top watching you know, Dan Cortes hit a

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Speaker 2: These are old timy names that you probably have to

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Speaker 3: I do love in the NBA one was they put

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Speaker 2: All right, that was not where the show was.

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Speaker 1: Show never, the show never starts the way I think

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Speaker 2: So whatever, We're gonna talk some.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks today because we don't really have much to talk

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Speaker 1: about right There's the Pro Bowl coming up this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we are trying to feign interest in it,

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Speaker 1: Browns hiring former Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monkin to be

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Speaker 3: Wow, absolutely surprised.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, I just think right now, the Browns

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Speaker 4: want to just go and coach right now, because they

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Speaker 4: Dylan Samson. There's so many issues right now that I

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Speaker 4: Like it's gonna be one of those experiments of like,

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Speaker 4: if he can make this offense me somewhat relevant. But

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Speaker 3: I'll say it's not fantasy at all, but it is

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Speaker 3: classic Browns and the fact that they found a coach,

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Speaker 3: like they made it a point like whoever we hire,

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Speaker 3: we want Jim Schwartz to be the DC and then

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Speaker 3: they hied Todd Monkin and Jim Schwartz. Look, we didn't

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Speaker 3: hire me. I'm out. Apparently he hugged everyone and he

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Speaker 3: you forced a coach to have this guy. And he said, well,

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Speaker 2: Brown's gonna brown Man again.

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Speaker 1: Though, Like this is why, this is just adding to

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Speaker 1: my list of reasons why we need to figure out

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Speaker 1: The Browns have been terrible, like legitimately terrible for thirty

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Speaker 1: They have not been really anything close to a contender.

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Speaker 4: You never sustained that, like hope that we can continue to.

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Speaker 1: ownership continually making poor decisions, you know, not terrible signings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the Deshaun Watson deal will stand out

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Speaker 2: You know, just continually.

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Speaker 1: Bad coaching decisions, bad front office moves, and yet somehow

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Speaker 1: up to get high draft picks over and over again.

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Speaker 1: And at some point, like we as a society to

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Speaker 1: stand up and say enough, Like enough, you have squandered

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Speaker 2: You do God deserve our generos.

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Speaker 1: City when it comes to you acquiring prospects anymore, like you,

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Speaker 1: you have wasted enough of this. Right, if your kid

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Speaker 1: kept knocking over his juice or spilling it, they're dropping

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Speaker 1: his ice cream. You gotta stop buying him ice cream

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Speaker 1: after a while, so the brooms don't get any more

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Speaker 2: You don't get any more ice cream.

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Speaker 1: Except no, you get no more ice cream.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 1: You will eat this yogurt and you will pretend it's

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Speaker 1: ice cream.

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Speaker 3: You will like it, terrible alternative.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what you earn, that is what you have

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Speaker 2: earned at this point. You will have this. You will

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Speaker 2: have this. I think you will have this Chobani Greek yogurt.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to put some blueberries on top

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Speaker 1: of it and pretend that it's ice cream, go right ahead.

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Speaker 2: And we are not giving you rainbow. Subert anymore. We're

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Speaker 2: not doing.

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Speaker 3: That, Listen.

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Speaker 4: I think they should do a draft lottery, Like how

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Speaker 4: basketball do it? Right, isn't it kind of like a

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Speaker 4: lottery and they just kind of pick out of a hand.

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Speaker 2: There's still there's still tanking.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's worst tank in the NBA to try

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Speaker 1: and get the draft litters.

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Speaker 3: The NBA needs to get it under control. Man, it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, the last NBA draft I watch is when

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Speaker 1: I mean, they they can, but they would just put

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Speaker 4: One hundred and thirty one dollars in dead money if

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Speaker 3: After this year they can get out from that contract.

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Speaker 4: Well, they pushed all his money just for this season,

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Speaker 1: They have no money to spend. So I know they've

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Speaker 4: And I'm pretty sure he turned around and was like,

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Speaker 3: I will step down.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Those those NFL head coach of checks, they they're pretty appealing.

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Speaker 2: They hit different. I do hit different. Yeah, so they do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think after this year they can they can void

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Speaker 1: The rework contract adds two void years to the deal,

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Speaker 2: According to sources, Watson's.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I guess basically ride it out this year.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Quinn, Shawn Jenkins, come on down on the other side.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Browns are a mess. The Ravens not

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Speaker 1: Right, still have a top tier quarterback, you have you know,

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Speaker 1: we saw Zay Flowers have some decent games, you know,

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Speaker 2: Very good last year.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Ravens aren't far away from being

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Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury, like, I would love to see him cook

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Speaker 1: Up in his Arizona mansion with the big glass or

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think him and Lamar could cook, And I think,

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Speaker 3: I'm probably not drafting him this year.

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Speaker 2: I think we saw the age last year.

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Speaker 1: I imagine, yeah, where he's gonna go. I don't I don't

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Speaker 3: Were giving me him in the third or fourth round, sure,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw I saw the decline last year. But

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Speaker 2: I could see him drawing some things up for Lamar

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Speaker 3: Why if not him, I'm not sure who you know.

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Speaker 3: Like the rumor was they wanted Joe Brady, they lost

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Speaker 2: It seems like he's staying in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they extended. But the one thing is they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: It does give you a little more, you know, leverage

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Speaker 4: on I hope that this is a season that we

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got people out there, fairly or unfairly

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Speaker 4: You know, that's the fan base that are just not

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Speaker 3: I'm out.

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Speaker 4: I'd fight in the battles for Shula. Man, he's staying.

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Speaker 4: He's our guy.

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Speaker 1: not because they weren't good, just because I think I

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Speaker 1: think people are starting to look elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: That's all. It's kind of what that is.

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Speaker 3: So there was one quick breaking news thing that it's

448
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,400
Speaker 3: not huge, but uh Josh Allen had surgery. He's on crutches.

449
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: Was successful.

450
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 3: It was.

451
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Speaker 1: Success.

452
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Speaker 3: He said he was playing with a broken bone in

453
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Speaker 3: his foot for a lot of the years.

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Speaker 1: Just man swaying for the day like, yeah, so and

455
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 1: so I had surgery but it went poorly because.

456
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Speaker 3: He showed up today to the press conference on crutches

457
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 3: and everyone was like what and then after he said

458
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 3: he had a broken bone in his foot for.

459
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Speaker 2: Much of the year.

460
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Speaker 3: Weated it against Cleveland and it was playing through a

461
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Speaker 3: lot of pain apparently. So yeah, we get all run

462
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Speaker 3: in next year.

463
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

464
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Speaker 1: Well, good news is he'll have a lot of time

465
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 1: to sit and do two am feedings when the baby

466
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: comes in the off season, so you don't have to.

467
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Speaker 2: I mean, apparent you get a few.

468
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Speaker 1: Months before their mobile, right, you don't have to really

469
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 1: move around. They're kind of a paper weight. It's kind

470
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: of nice. So he have time to rehab the foot

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Speaker 1: before he's got to start chasing a toddler around. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So enjoy that time, Josh, to heal up. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'll take a break come back. An interesting article in

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com recently about quarterbacks prime to make the leap, So.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that and plenty more.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. An article

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Speaker 1: from marpal Nick Shook, who you can read at NFL

478
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Speaker 1: dot com and you can hear frequently on NFL Daily

479
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Speaker 1: with Greg Rosenthal. Real story a little over a week

480
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Speaker 1: ago about six NFL quarterbacks primed to make the leap

481
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. I actually had this on the

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Speaker 1: rundown for last week, but as we tend to do

483
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Speaker 1: on this show, we probably got derailed by some other

484
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Speaker 1: conversation NFL like I know, it never happens here never.

485
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: I think we were going along, so I decided to

486
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Speaker 1: just shelve it for another week because it's still pretty evergreen.

487
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Speaker 1: So he went with six quarterbacks prime to make the

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Speaker 1: leap next year. I wrote, all six down. I feel

489
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Speaker 1: like there are three. They don't really have to discuss

490
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Speaker 1: in any real depths. I think we sort of all

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Speaker 1: kind of agree. Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Jackson Dark, we're all.

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Speaker 1: We're all thumbs up on those guys for next year.

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Speaker 1: Any big halo to me seems the same.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

495
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 4: I don't see a big, big, big leave like or

496
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Speaker 4: an extremely to be different than what we just saw.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, see, that's how I feel about Trevor Lawrence.

498
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say the same. I think they all

499
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Speaker 3: hit their beaks.

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Speaker 2: I feel no.

501
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Speaker 3: I think I think they're dark and dark Dark has

502
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: a lot of room to grow, and I think Caleb

503
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: does as well.

504
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: I think they're still room for Caleb.

505
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: He needs to become more consistent the higher high with Calob,

506
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 3: but the lows are low and he'll miss some gimmes.

507
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Speaker 3: You also give him another year in Ben Johnson's offense, like,

508
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: I think that could help. Trevor was the one that

509
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know, this year kind of

510
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 3: feels like the optimal these.

511
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I just I want to see Trevor Lawrence maintain.

512
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Speaker 1: But I think what we saw from him in the

513
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Speaker 1: back half of the season, that to me feels like

514
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: peak Trevor Lawrence and that was really good. Like, I

515
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to make it sound like that

516
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: was bad, Like that's QB one.

517
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Speaker 3: That's QB one in fantasy.

518
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: It is.

519
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: He's taken off.

520
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Speaker 4: The board as your sole quarterback in the one quarterback

521
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Speaker 4: leaves like, yeah, I'm.

522
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Speaker 3: Cool, I could see that. I but you would take

523
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Speaker 3: you guys your only QB.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

525
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Speaker 4: I mean, after what we if he keeps the momentum

526
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: right and we're suspecting that, you know, Travis Hunter stills

527
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Speaker 4: a two way player. Jacoby's there, that's v VTJA.

528
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Speaker 2: I don't think Travis Hunter is a two way player

529
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Speaker 2: next year?

530
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Speaker 4: Oh, me either, like I'm on that side of like

531
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Speaker 4: you already know where I'm at with her, like complete

532
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 4: fade in fantasy. I'll never draft that man ever, but anyway,

533
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: just moving forward, like he has the right pieces around him,

534
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Speaker 4: like I kind of feel like I feel okay with

535
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: a semi mobile quarterback with a bunch of pieces, with

536
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Speaker 4: a play caller and head coach and Liam Cohen that

537
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: we've seen him excel quarterbacks into QB ones Baker Mayfield.

538
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Speaker 3: I'm cool having him, but I would I would want

539
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: to pair him with someone.

540
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Speaker 2: Else right now.

541
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Speaker 1: Here's the so it depends so when that works, cause

542
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: right now I've got him, I'm.

543
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Speaker 2: Trying to turn over a new leaf. Fellas.

544
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to like sort of get ahead of the

545
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: rankings thing as opposed to like waiting until August and

546
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Speaker 1: be like, oh I got a rank like I'm trying

547
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Speaker 1: to get ahead of it. So my early, my way

548
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: too early, not even February rankings.

549
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Speaker 2: I've got his QB seven.

550
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Speaker 1: And if Florida floor, It's like, oh, well, I guess

551
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: that matters, because if you're talking about taking a guy

552
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Speaker 1: at QB seven, that to me is suggesting you believe

553
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: he is your guy weekend and week out?

554
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like Joe Burrow, He's an example somebody

555
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Speaker 4: we take in weekend and week out as a top

556
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Speaker 4: seven quarterback off the board, I would say unless that change,

557
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 4: let me say this, so.

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Speaker 1: Like a okay, since we're talking Trevor and Caleb Williams,

559
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Speaker 1: I mean Florio is would Caleb Williams be a guy

560
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Speaker 1: that you would draft.

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Speaker 2: Him and just set it and forget it? No? There,

562
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Speaker 2: you take a second.

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Speaker 3: There's not many of those qbs right, Like I think

564
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Speaker 3: Josh is one. I think Lamar is one. I think

565
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: Burrow is one as long as he's health.

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Speaker 2: Drake is Drake May one.

567
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Speaker 3: Drake May. Yes, I think he has reached that where

568
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 3: showing him more personally than than trev uh because I

569
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 3: do love Drake May. But I also think there's meat

570
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: on the bones there, like they're gonna probably improve that

571
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 3: O line, maybe add another pass catcher. I would put

572
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Speaker 3: Jayden in that group. I would put Jalen Hurts in

573
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Speaker 3: that group. As much as I like Dart, I would

574
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Speaker 3: still cover my bases with pretty much. It's those six quarterbacks.

575
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Speaker 3: Everyone else. I think I'm taking a QB two.

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely draft somebody else with Jackson Dart, I'm

577
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Speaker 1: also right now, and maybe I have to go back

578
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: and look, I'm kind of really low on Jackson Dart.

579
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: Like part of that feels part of last year felt

580
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Speaker 1: like a lightning bolt.

581
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Speaker 4: He's top ten, he's top ten, he's top ten healthy,

582
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 4: Like we have to lock that, bro.

583
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Speaker 1: See that's part of it though, right is because unless

584
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: because I get I get that you can't predict injury, right,

585
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: that you can't predict injury and your injury pronus who

586
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: you're not unless you have a certain type of play style. Right,

587
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: when you have a certain when you when you play

588
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: quarterback like a kamikaze pilot, I think you can sort

589
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: of try to predict injury.

590
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: That we've seen that transition to Superman Ball, with Josh

591
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: Allen being the example. Josh jo built like redwood linebackers, but.

592
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's quarterback, Josh Allen is built like a redwood tree.

593
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart is built like a mortal. He's built like

594
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: a human. He's a human. Right, so it's a little

595
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: bit different.

596
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Speaker 1: Like I didn't interesting, I'm pretty sure Bill's fans and

597
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: Joe Brady would prefer that Josh doesn't run.

598
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: Just headlonger to people because he doesn't even play like

599
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: that anymore.

600
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: He does.

601
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: He's very Yeah, I wonder what hit made him learn,

602
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 4: what hurdle that failed that he learned.

603
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, But so far Jackson Dart hasn't had

604
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: that hit happen to him yet.

605
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he's never gonna have it. If he's saying

606
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 4: I'm good, but soccer at.

607
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Some point, Soccer at some point, because at some point

608
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: either he either either he learns it or he's not

609
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: in the league anymore.

610
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: Like that's those are your two options.

611
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: That's one thing I do want to point out about

612
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: trev Is. He was amazing in those final what six games,

613
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: I think, but he was on a pace for forty

614
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: four passing touchdowns and ten rushing touchdowns, and that feels

615
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: like it's it's not clearly not sustainable. And then you

616
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: look at the defense, like, I get it, he lit

617
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: up Denver, but besides that, they were cagwalk defenses. So like,

618
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to put him just yet as every like,

619
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: like I think most weeks you use him, But if

620
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: he's facing Seattle or or Houston or Denver or one

621
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: of the top defense, Like there's only a handful of qbs,

622
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 3: I would still play in the hardest of matchups.

623
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Speaker 4: So answer this, we've taken golf as a QB one,

624
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 4: We've taken Herbert Dak. Does he fit in that tier

625
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: or category?

626
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, I think But with all of those guys,

627
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take a second quarterback.

628
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't take a second quarterback if I take Dak

629
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Speaker 4: off the board.

630
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: Oh I was my wife like I was taking Dak

631
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: and like upside guys, like because you could always cut him,

632
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, you know Dak. Also, the thing about

633
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: Dak that I don't love is not quite a Caleb floor,

634
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: but his floor is lower than you would want your

635
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: every week QB to be.

636
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Speaker 1: I think you're where you take your Like obviously, I

637
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: know this is not going to be revelation to anybody,

638
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: but I think where you take your first quarterback determines

639
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: where you're taking your second quarterback in the sense of

640
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: like if I'm if I'm closer to the if I'm

641
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: closer to the you know, the ten eleven, twelve quarterbacks,

642
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: then I'm taking my second quarterback a lot sooner.

643
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: Right If I'm taking the.

644
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Guy who like I say, I got Trevor Lawrence at

645
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: QB seven, so that gives me a little more leewayed

646
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: away a little bit longer before I take my second quarterback. Right,

647
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: So let's say let's say Trevor Lawrence is coming off

648
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: the board in I call around six something like that.

649
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: Does that seem fair? Then I'm probably taking my second

650
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: quarterback in like.

651
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Round twelve thirteen something like that's fair to me?

652
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: It depends on what. Like if I take a Trevor Lawrence, right,

653
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to pair him with like a Jared Goff.

654
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: Let's say I'll pair him with like a Malik Willis

655
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: or Tyler Schuck or someone that I think has popped

656
00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: up again. Jesus, I really like ca pick your favorite.

657
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: I still have to go like, obviously a lot's going

658
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: to change, but like tack your favorite later round quarterback

659
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: that you like with upside. Whereas like if I roll

660
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: the dice on my quarterback, like last year, I like

661
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: Justin Fields a lot. That's or when we were taking

662
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson as a QB one, that's when I pair

663
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: him with a safe floor quarterback. So I always like

664
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Speaker 3: to have unless I have an elite quarterback. I like

665
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Speaker 3: to have one quarterback that I'm like most weeks. This

666
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Speaker 3: will be my starter, but this guy, if he hits,

667
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Speaker 3: he could surpass my starter and become like an elite option.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We got still more quarterbacks to talk about it. Nick

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Speaker 1: Shook's a list of six qbs prime to make the

671
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Speaker 1: leap that's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Back here on the podcast and diving into Nick Shook's

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Speaker 1: article in NFL dot Com about six NFL quarterbacks he

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Speaker 1: believes are gonna make a leap in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: The other three names on Knick's list, and this is

676
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Speaker 1: where I thought, there's really a converse sation Tyler Shuck,

677
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Michael Pinnox, JJ McCarthy, Laic and I know you really

678
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: like Tyler Shuck, now, I so I went back, I

679
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: started watching.

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00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: I watched a little bit yesterday.

681
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I'll probably watch some more Tyler Shuck as you know,

682
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: the days and weeks go on.

683
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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 1: At least my early takeaways from watching him are sort

685
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: of how I felt about Spencer Rattler at the beginning

686
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: of the season, in the sense of.

687
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Is he good or Is he better than what our

688
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: expectations were of him?

689
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: That's a good question, a really good question, my gosh,

690
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: I would say watching him because like I was hitting

691
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: the group chat all season long with you guys, like

692
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: this is probably the most I've ever watched Saints games

693
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: and like whole games, and I'm like, Spencer Ratler was good,

694
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: but I understand why he was bench some of the

695
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: decision making, wasn't there some of the questionable things he

696
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: was doing. At least when Tyler shuck, he made an

697
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: effort not to make, you know, the Jared Stidham type

698
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 4: of play we just saw in the playoffs, Like he

699
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: made an effort to protect and try to secure the ball.

700
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: He made an effort to actually scan and look at

701
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: his reads, like Spencer was more panicking out there and

702
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: like forcing the ball to areas he shouldn't be doing.

703
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: At least with Tyler shuck, we have a sense of like, Okay,

704
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: he has his feet in the ground in this system,

705
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: like there's an ability to get out of the pocket,

706
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: there's an ability to hit the long ball in the

707
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: tack down field. But Tyler shucked to me, definitely went

708
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: over expectations. Obviously for me, because I was poo pooling

709
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: on him all season long, Like I was basically saying,

710
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: I'm not ready to see him go against my Rams

711
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: as his first star. I'm not ready to see Spencer

712
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: rather hit the bench because Spence at least was giving

713
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: his wide receivers a chance downfield, where Tyler was more

714
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 4: conservative and not trying to create the turnover plays.

715
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: So again my early kind of first watch, and these

716
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: are some of the earlier games that he started, and

717
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: even kind of going through some of his stats, the

718
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: thing that becomes immediately noticeable is Kellen Moore did not

719
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: want him holding onto the ball very long. In fact,

720
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: he has one of the shortest times to throw of

721
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: any starter in the league. It was pretty much one

722
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: two gone, and even when he took shots downfield, it

723
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: was just kind of one two gone. The difference, at

724
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: least at the beginning of his time as a starter,

725
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: is he had Rashid Shahed who could sort of get

726
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: by defenders and take the top off a defense. That's

727
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: the guy he didn't have later on in the season

728
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: after Shahid got traded. So everything generally was sort of

729
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: short yardage. It was you know, quick outs, it was slants,

730
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: it was just getting rid of the ball quickly. I

731
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: mean I did like that he'd get out of the

732
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: pocket and scramble every once in a while. He had

733
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: that one game with two rushing touchdowns. He was able

734
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: to kind of move a little bit. That part is nice.

735
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: I think he's I said about him all year. I

736
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: don't think he's mister right. I think he's mister right now,

737
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: and I don't.

738
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: I just don't want, I want.

739
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't see from a football standpoint, I don't see

740
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: the Saints necessarily having him in their long term plans.

741
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: Because he's I think he starts next year.

742
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna be funny, Yeah, I think he starts next year.

743
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: I think he starts next year. I don't think there's

744
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: anybody in the draft or a free agency that they're

745
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna get that's.

746
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: Gonna challenge him significantly.

747
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: Like he's not gonna be thirty seven as the Saint

748
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 4: starting quarterback.

749
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Because he's twenty seven right now, right, I know he's definitely.

750
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: You know whose career I can see him having. It's

751
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: who he reminded me of as a prospect to Ryan Fitzpatrick, right,

752
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: Like he's he's not a franchise guy. But he's good

753
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: enough where if you're in a pinch or someone gets hurt,

754
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: you feel comfortable putting him in. Yeah.

755
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: So I can see that from a real football standpoint.

756
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: From a fantasy standpoint, like, I just I need a

757
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: whole lot more to be different in New Orleans.

758
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: I need.

759
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: I need more than Chris o'lave. I need an offensive

760
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: line that they trust to actually protect him so he

761
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: can look downfield. Healthy running back, healthy.

762
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: Running back situation.

763
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, like I I wonder if we've seen the

764
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: last of Alvin Kamara in the NFL.

765
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: You know, is Kendre Miller.

766
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: The guy to really keep that thing going forward?

767
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

768
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: There's just there's just not a lot from a fantasy

769
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: perspective that.

770
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: Gets me excited about Trevor Shuck.

771
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: It just you know, I think he's the guy that

772
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: sort of builds the program, keeps them afloat, uh, you know,

773
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: for for Kellen Moore as the head coach, he makes

774
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: it look he makes the offense look good enough that

775
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: nobody's coming for my neck, you know, in a couple

776
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: of years until we get on our position to find

777
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: our true quarterback of the future.

778
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: I do think the context matters in the sense of,

779
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: like you said, they trade it. Shad He Camara was

780
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: nowhere to be seen down the stretch. They were forcing

781
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: Taysom in like Crystal Lave sat out at the end

782
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: of the year, and the rest of the receivers are

783
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: not good on paper, So like he for the conditions

784
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: around him, he looked as bad as good as I

785
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: think he could have.

786
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's an accurate I think

787
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: that's an accurate assessment of Tyler Schuck in his rookie year.

788
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I guess it's to Michael Pinnicks, who we've talked about

789
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: a few times on this show. I mean, let's start

790
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: with the obvious that there's no guarantee that he's going

791
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: to be the starter at the beginning of the season.

792
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: It seems very unlikely that he's going to be their

793
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: starter at the beginning of the season. He's another guy, though, Lakwan,

794
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: who's also sort of up there in age, right, he

795
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: was an older prospect when he came in the league.

796
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: He's had multiple knee injuries at this point, was already

797
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: sort of limited in mobility to begin with. Now, yeah,

798
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be even less. You know, Hey, Look,

799
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: they got Kevin Stefanski, who hopefully can sort of build

800
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: him up. We've seen Kevin Stefanski, you more with less

801
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, look, you got you were Sanders

802
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl.

803
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: So him and Penix and Stefansk are gonna be beefing

804
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 3: in twenty thirty. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, I can't

805
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 3: wait year.

806
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Like what Pennix, it feels like

807
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 4: it's a huge question mark at least for this season because,

808
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: like you said, he's not going to be the starter,

809
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 4: and I think Kirk Cousins will be just good enough

810
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: to have a operating offense. And again Sank, he makes

811
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: like fantasy assets like he you know, he makes you know,

812
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: the relevant of offense that we can start drafting some

813
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 4: of these players, and obviously high profile players Drake London, Bijon,

814
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 4: They're gonna come off the board. But at the quarterback position,

815
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't see myself drafting Kirk Cousins in

816
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: twenty six do you like, do you see yourself having

817
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: him as your QB two? I'm like, oh, well, I

818
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 4: took Trevor Lawrence, and I took you know whoever else

819
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: And now we're going to strapped with Kirk Cousins. Nah, Like,

820
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: I just can't see myself even trying to paint a

821
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: picture where I see myself taking Panis or Cousins in

822
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: twenty six. So I think he's more so of a

823
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: twenty seven conversation Clorio.

824
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't even see that there's necessarily room. I don't

825
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: think there's a higher ceiling for Michael Pennix, is there.

826
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, maybe I'm missing something, but it

827
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: just feels like I'm so funny. He sort of is

828
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: who he is, Like, Yeah, that's the guy. He's the

829
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: guy who will give you flashes. Right, every once in

830
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: a while he'll do it, but like consistently, he's just

831
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: not gonna be much more than what he is.

832
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: I think maybe I could easily be wrong, but I

833
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: am not a Michael Pennix person. Like I didn't love

834
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 3: him as a like that quarterback class. He was sixth

835
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: for me of those six that went in the first round.

836
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: And since he's I look, I don't want to say

837
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: fourteen games is enough to write someone off, but the

838
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: injuries they pile up, and that's on his resume now,

839
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: you know, like three twenty ACLS is something that he's

840
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: never going to not have in his career. But on

841
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: top of that, there was two things that were supposed

842
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: to make Michael Pennix a prospect worth taking the shot

843
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: on right. One was the experience and the fact that

844
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: he was supposed to come in and hit the ground

845
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: running and be closer to what he's supposed to be, right,

846
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what we saw with Bo Nicks.

847
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: I don't really feel like we got that with Michael Pennix.

848
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: But on top of that, we were told that this

849
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: guy has a great deep ball and he can air

850
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: it out and stuff, and he really hasn't. That's not

851
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: something we get consistently with Michael Pennix. He throws short

852
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: of the sticks a lot and stuff. And on top

853
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: of all of that, usually quarterbacks go into like first

854
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: round quarterbacks go into bad situations. Right, I'm not saying

855
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: he went into a great situation, but he had a

856
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: ton of talent around him on offense. So, like I think, again,

857
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: fourteen games is very limited sample sized twelve starts. But

858
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: in the small sample that we've seen, I personally haven't

859
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: been impressed.

860
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it. He's a guy who every

861
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: now and then will show flashes. I just don't know

862
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: that we'll ever see the consistency.

863
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: Shout out Sam Brafford.

864
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Hey Man, Sammy Sleeves. I also think that this is

865
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: an offense that will forever, not forever, but at least

866
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. He built around John Robinson, right,

867
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: he is the guy in this offense.

868
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: You know.

869
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: Drake London obviously is a playmaker. We don't know whether

870
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: or not Kyle Pitts will be back next year, you know,

871
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: I know we have all suggested that he moves on

872
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: wherever that may be, Kansas City, nose.

873
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to know there.

874
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: But you guys keep throwing out New England for everybody

875
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: that has a pair of hands, right, like.

876
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 3: Like they got money.

877
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: Man. So yeah, I just I don't know.

878
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I I don't know that there's a leap in Michael Pennocks,

879
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: at least not a significant one. I think the leap

880
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: for Michael Pennix is playing seventeen games.

881
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: That's leap.

882
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: There, you go, that's it again. Like when you compare

883
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins and his stats, they're kind of the same.

884
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 4: Like it's not like one is making a larger gap

885
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: than the other. It's like, this is what we're working with,

886
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 4: this is.

887
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: What we have.

888
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 4: We have all this first round down around him.

889
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 3: What are we doing. I do wonder if they move

890
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: on from Kirk, because they can get out. I think

891
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 3: it next year.

892
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: They probably can.

893
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean for the short term, I think they need

894
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: to keep him around because you.

895
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 3: Just how names ain't playing week one, but Fansky might

896
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 3: be like, I don't want this guy playing week one either.

897
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: I want, you know, I maybe don't rescue, but like.

898
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: If I if I'm temas the fancy, I also wanted

899
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: a guy that I feel like, hey man, like he

900
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: can at.

901
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: Least run the system a little bit.

902
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: Just start with the one wild name out here, Kyler Kyler.

903
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: Kyler feels like he could be fun there. I'd rather

904
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 3: Kyler than Kirk Cousin any day of the week.

905
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm done with Kyler Kyler Kyler running around like

906
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: a naughty toddler and then just tossing one downfield to

907
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: Drake London, like I could get on board with that.

908
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 4: Put it I'm in Miami, then if you want to

909
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: see that, I know might even want to have seen

910
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 4: that in Atlanta.

911
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: That's fine.

912
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: We said that on Tuesday, and I'm okay with that too, Like,

913
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, we can have options.

914
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: That's fine, we have options.

915
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: No, I don't want him in Atlanta. Leave Drake London alone,

916
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: Lee By Jean alone, and hopefully Kyle Pits.

917
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: I don't don't think I don't help him, Kirs. Bro.

918
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 4: No, Kyler cannot produce a wide receiver one anymore.

919
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: Bro, It's been a very long time.

920
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: Do you remember the last time we saw Kirk Cousins

921
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: in live action?

922
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: I do remember seeing Kirk Cousins in live action, and

923
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: it was hard.

924
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: I forgot.

925
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I forgot, No, I forgot, I tot he forgot about

926
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: that Thursday he let you guys up.

927
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kirk, thanks legitimately. If you go through his two

928
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 3: years as a Falcon and you take away his three

929
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: games against the Bucks, his stats are bad, Like he

930
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: goes for like three fifty plus and four touchdowns every

931
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: time he plays the Bucks.

932
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

933
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: I still think. I mean, like, I don't know if

934
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: it's a done deal.

935
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: But I don't think Kirk Cousins or I don't think

936
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray in Atlanta.

937
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: Is a terrible, terrible idea.

938
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: Well, say Goodbye to Drake London as a first round pick. Goodbye.

939
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: I don't think I've taken him as a first round

940
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 3: pick with Kirk Cousins.

941
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: Why not.

942
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: Drake Drake eight he did?

943
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Why not? He ate? That was?

944
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 4: That was a top seven, top five season?

945
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: Bro he ate?

946
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: Why not he he? The thing about Drake London is

947
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: I think it's he's one of those players that his

948
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: end of year numbers look a lot better than the rock.

949
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: I'll take those highs. The riding may suck, but I

950
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: will take those highs. I will take them at each

951
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 4: and every week.

952
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

953
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean that sort of to me felt like like

954
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: there are always those guys that like, at the end

955
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: of the year, like, yeah, he was a top such

956
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: and such wide receiver, and then you think about it,

957
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: then you go back and you dig in.

958
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: And it's you know, we call that the Joe Mixon effect.

959
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon, it was the Amari Cooper for year, is right.

960
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: Mamark Cooper was that guy who would like, it's great

961
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: when he went when Amari Cooper puts up forty four

962
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: points for you.

963
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: That was awesome.

964
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: And then in the next week when he has like seven,

965
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: like it's not so fun anymore, right.

966
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: I know he wasn't fully healthy, but in his final

967
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: three games with Kirk Cousins Drake London, in three total games,

968
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: barely broke one hundred yards and had one touchdown.

969
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: Listen, wasn't healthy. You just said it, you started he

970
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: wasn't healthy.

971
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but now you're relying on a Cole's quarterback who's

972
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: going to.

973
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: Be FLEs I just brought a sweater from Coals, man, I.

974
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: Mean, sure, right, but like you know.

975
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: Listen also coals money good for him.

976
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: You also realize, I mean, but like when you're shopping

977
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: at Coal's, you understand the reason why you're shopping at Coal's, right,

978
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, I ain't Goin't none wrong with it,

979
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: but there's also a reason you're going there.

980
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: Like Coles Sursday. Purpose, where do you think here? First?

981
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: Super Cuts?

982
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: I mean was like, you know, like Coles before.

983
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes you want to you know, you don't want to

984
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: floss in Coles like Coles is what gets you through.

985
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes you need Nordstrom.

986
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Like That's what I'm saying, Like you know, it's just

987
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: gotta be different him going.

988
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 4: To super Cousins wild By the way, bro those are

989
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 4: relocated in the mall.

990
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: Honestly that that surprises me, not at all like it

991
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: at this point I think not, I think, I really think.

992
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: I don't think.

993
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: I think this is really who Kirk Cousins is last

994
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: one here and this is the one that JJ McCarthy.

995
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: I feel like he makes a leap because soria can

996
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: it get any worse?

997
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 3: That's part also I do like I I don't think

998
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: he's gotten a fair crack yet, not like look in

999
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: the opportunities he's got, and he's been very hit or missed,

1000
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: but he misses his whole rookie year due to injury.

1001
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: He comes back, he played a great Week one, Like

1002
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: I know it was only the fourth quarter against the Bears,

1003
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: but that's where the non mean came from, right, Like

1004
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: was that first game. Then he struggled in Week two

1005
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: against the Falcons, and that's when we the Falcons were

1006
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: still like, wow, that defense is jit. Then he gets

1007
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: hurt and he doesn't play again until November. And then

1008
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: while he's playing he breaks or fractures his hand. Like, look,

1009
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: you gotta stay healthy, you gotta be on the field,

1010
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: you gotta produce all of that. I get it. But

1011
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: in the course of a two year NFL career. It's

1012
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: as about as unlucky as you could be, I would say,

1013
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: health wise. So it's like him and Anthony Richardson are

1014
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: just two that I'm like, man, just stay on the

1015
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: field for a year so we could evaluate and know

1016
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: what you are, because we don't know what he is

1017
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: right now. But it's a weird spance. I was talking

1018
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: to a friend of mine yesterday who's a huge Viking fan,

1019
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: and he was like, I think koc put way too

1020
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: much on the rookies plate. He wanted him to run

1021
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: the offense like Sam Darnold did, and that was asking

1022
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: way too much. But also like KOs might be fighting

1023
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: for his job this year, and you have a Justin

1024
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: Jefferson who obviously wants to win, and like the Vikings

1025
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: aren too much of a win now mode, I think

1026
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: to go in with just JJ McCarthy. So I'm guessing

1027
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: they're gonna bring in a veteran he's gonna have to compete,

1028
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 3: But Mac Jones, I think there's some upside here, still,

1029
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: some untapped potential. Mac Jones would.

1030
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: Honestly he said.

1031
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: I was like, that's where they need to go.

1032
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack Sillons, Mac.

1033
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: Jones is guy. I would draft him if his name

1034
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: was Max Grant, would you d mac Grant? Would you

1035
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 3: draft him?

1036
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: No?

1037
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm not trolling, though.

1038
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: I seriously think Mac and go in there and have

1039
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: a Sam Darnold glow up return story, which would be funny.

1040
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Though that that would be like basically a couple quarterbacks

1041
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: in a row that Kyle Shanahan like rehabbed like a

1042
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: baby bird and then just sit back out into the

1043
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: world again.

1044
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: Right, Bro, think about Max journey playoffs, his rookie year

1045
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 4: with the Patriots, get shipped away, goes to Jacksonville, gives

1046
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 4: us Brian Thomas junior wide receiver one production, goes to

1047
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 4: the forty Liners, wins a game against the Rams, wins

1048
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: multiple games. It goes out there and prepares which un

1049
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: potential he kept them all now all the time if

1050
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: he goes to the Vikings, My god, that it just

1051
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: writes itself.

1052
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you, but you did leave out

1053
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: the two years in New England when he was just atrocious.

1054
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: Bro.

1055
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 4: There's so much pressure after goat Brady, I mean, which

1056
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 4: is like he had no weapons either, man, Like, let's

1057
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 4: be honest, Pop Douglas your wide receiver one. Jakobe Myers

1058
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: was like a semi wide receiver two, which he was

1059
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: most reliable, but like he wasn't moving the needle and

1060
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: like getting you.

1061
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: Guys over to hump. It was just a disaster.

1062
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, look, I know that, you know, I

1063
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of conversation about Bill Belichick and

1064
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and that sort of subject.

1065
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really care to get into.

1066
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: You know, where I stand as a Rams fan.

1067
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that.

1068
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: And there's one quick thing about the whole I don't

1069
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: care that Bill Belichick. He tormented me for the first

1070
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: two decades of my life. Let's go Hall of Fame.

1071
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame voting is so dumb. It should just

1072
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: be is he a Hall of Famer? Yes or no?

1073
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: I hate the whole first ballot thing, like it's this

1074
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: guy's got to be punished and wait ten years. Like

1075
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: it's just so dumb to me. It should just be

1076
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: yes or no? Are they a Hall of Famer.

1077
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: It's all dumb.

1078
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: It's all based on the biases and whims of.

1079
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: A select group of voters.

1080
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: The other part of it is, I guess I would

1081
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: be more outraged if this was Bill Belichick's last chance

1082
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: to get in, like he's gonna get in and ten

1083
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: years from now, like very few people are gonna remember.

1084
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: This whole part of it.

1085
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 4: You know what's a crime, though, you know what's a crime.

1086
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: Tory hold is still not in. Tory Holds is still

1087
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: not in. He should be got the rest of the

1088
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 4: greatest showing turf in there, right. Andrew Jones just got

1089
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: in on his tenth try, his final one. Why is

1090
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 4: he being a Hall of Famer now that he wasn't

1091
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: the last nine years?

1092
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm part of this is that as a baseball fan

1093
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: and watching how the Baseball Hall of Fame goes, like

1094
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: I can't really be outraged that a guy didn't, that

1095
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: a surefire Hall of Famer got left out over allegations

1096
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: of cheating and generally being an ass, Like that's the

1097
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: whole story of the baseball like like literally like football

1098
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: fans are outraged over this thing, and like as a

1099
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Speaker 1: baseball van, I'm literally the James Franco like first time,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like that stuffs the whole thing.

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00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing?

1102
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 3: Like not so what bar is like putting in Tom

1103
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: Brady like it's it's just right.

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00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: So I'm like, whatever, man, Bill's gonna get in, what's

1105
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna happen that next year he'll be like a unanimous

1106
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer just because everybody's trying to save face.

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00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: And then we'll have another row, There'll be another round

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00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: of outrage of like wardens through and.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm like, I don't care he's in. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: go to Canton.

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Speaker 1: I had somebody who popped in my mentions the other day,

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00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: like suggesting that this is such an outrage that Belichick

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00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: should just turn it down. Whenever he's finally invited. I'm

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00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: just like, all right, man, you do.

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00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: You Soppercraft could get in this year, Belichick could get

1116
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: in next year, Brady could get in the year after that.

1117
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't know that patriot error tormented me.

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00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: I just think they should make them wait till the

1119
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: same year, just have it be maximum awkwardness and can't

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Speaker 1: and when they all have to stand on the stage.

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00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: Next to each other, that's what I want.

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00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: I just not that I'm want to watch it, like

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Speaker 1: I've never I've actually never watched the Hall of Fame

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00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: induction ceremony in my life. I just wait for the

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00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: highlights to pop up on TV or social media.

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00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: There, that's it. That's all I watch.

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00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: But I just want them to stand on stage and

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00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: have to like pretend to.

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Speaker 2: Like each other. That's all I want. That's what I

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00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: want to say, like.

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00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 4: The game in fifty cent, that one time in their beef.

1132
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I want. That's all I want. That

1133
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: went on longer than I thought I would. Take a

1134
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Speaker 2: quick break. We'll come back.

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Speaker 1: Lacuar put out some tiers of quarterbacks non fantasy. We'll

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Speaker 1: just we'll preface it with that non fantasy, and I

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Speaker 1: just I just have a couple of questions.

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00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: That's all.

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00:51:53,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: That's the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So right after this,

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00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: it was like about twenty four hours, less than twenty

1141
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: four hours after the NFC Championship game.

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00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm posted on Blue Sky.

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00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: I like how you given context, like as if that mattered,

1144
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: but a goodhead.

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00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean, Maybe I just love

1146
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my first question for you, right guy,

1147
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: some quarterback tiers non fantasy, just the way you feel

1148
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: about them. If you're watching on the YouTube, they are

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00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: on screen here, and so that was my first question,

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00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Like was this you getting out your feelings like I

1151
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: just wanted I'm I'm not judging, I'm just asking what

1152
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: your mind frame was when you put this together.

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00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: So the day before I text you guys in the

1154
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 4: group chat like there was a great debate after Good

1155
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 4: Morning Football with Isaac Rochell and then man Titeo. We

1156
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 4: were all just at the table going back and forth

1157
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 4: talking tears and rankings and stuff like how all this

1158
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: sparked because Isaac Rochell was like, Sam Darnold is a

1159
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: top five quarterback next year. If you had to start

1160
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 4: a franchise, he will be one of the quarterback actually

1161
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 4: will look at to take off the board. I didn't agree.

1162
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 4: Mantai obviously didn't agree because he completely crashed out. So

1163
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: I did my own ranking. So I just wanted to

1164
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: be in tears rather than just the numbers, because that's

1165
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 4: what everybody crying. Like everybody starts eating the dams and.

1166
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 3: Mentions like, oh, how do you have this guy over

1167
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: this guy? It's one spot, just switch it.

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00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 4: I don't care, Like one spot does not make a

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00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: difference anything in the conversation. So tears, I feel like

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00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: it's a better conversation. And then you could break it down.

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00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: So really this was just sparked off of that conversation.

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00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: No emotion, no rage, no rage baiting on whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Tier one you've got Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Tier two Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott. I already disagreed,

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00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott and Joe Burrow.

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00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: Tier three a lengthy list.

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Speaker 4: Which Blue Sky didn't allow me to add. Jordan Love.

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Speaker 4: I see that he's off of it, but I did

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00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 4: not have enough space. But Jordan Love will be in

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00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 4: that Tier three.

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00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jordan Love, will, Jayden Danielsy, Sam Donald, Trevor Lawrence,

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: Drake May Caleb Williams, Jalen Hurts, Bo Nicks, Jared Baker Mayfield.

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00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: All Right, so Floria, you say you disagree. Where where

1184
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: do you have beef? I think I know where? But

1185
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: where do you have beef?

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00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: I think the two best quarterbacks walking the planet are

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. And I don't think it's close,

1188
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: like I know Mahomes.

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00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: Even with Patrick Mahomes.

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00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I like Mahomes gets put in that category and

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00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: you can't say anything bad. He's the because he's the

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00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: most accomplished. I get that, but we're now three years

1193
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: into Mahomes not playing like the guy that he was.

1194
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he can't get back to that, but

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00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 3: it's three years in a row where I think Josh

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00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: and Lamar have clearly outplayed him. I know, playoffs are

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Speaker 3: all that matters. Something I've said a lot in the

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00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 3: last few years is, to me, the biggest difference between

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Speaker 3: all of these guys is one has Andy Reid and

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey and Chris Jones and had Tyreek Hill and

1201
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: Spags and every thing. Right, Like I I just think

1202
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: the Chiefs infrastructure is one of the best in football.

1203
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: So I get why Mahomes gets put up there. But

1204
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 3: I think if you're if you gave d C's like

1205
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: truth serum, the hardest two quarterbacks to prepare for, in

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: my opinion, are Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so my only minor I mean, like, I

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00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: don't know that I have Stafford as a Tier one quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a I can put him in Tier

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00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: two and I will probably I would probably flip Stafford

1211
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: and Lamar.

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Speaker 2: That's probably where I would go.

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00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: I'm picking on the head of Stafford as well. Person with.

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Speaker 1: You, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it a buck with you, Lakwan,

1215
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I think your your Stafford evaluations are

1216
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: blue and gold colored glasses, like I don't fully I

1217
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: don't fully trust you to be rational with your staff

1218
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: pretty evaluations.

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00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm not.

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00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it out there on front. You want

1221
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: to listen to old episodes of the pod, why now

1222
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: go back and listen to old episodes of our show,

1223
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: and we will.

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00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 3: Here's my question though, right, take take them out because

1225
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 3: Stafford had the best, he had the second least amount

1226
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: of pressure this year. He is Pooka and Devonte is

1227
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: I would say, the best play caller. Right, neutralize all

1228
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 3: of that. You're putting them all on the team where

1229
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: everything is the same. You're taking Stafford over Lamar Jackson.

1230
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: Yes, and I say this confidently.

1231
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: Yes.

1232
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 4: The clutch factor his ability as a passer. The only

1233
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: reason why we put Lamar on that totalphone is because

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Speaker 4: of a the MVPs be his rushing ability. And see

1235
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 4: we only have three seasons with Lamar dominating at the

1236
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: position as a passer. So I'm not going to sit

1237
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 4: there and act like this is all recent events, because

1238
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: what is Lamar next year doesn't have Todd Mounkin, He

1239
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 4: has no John Harball there anymore. There's gonna be so

1240
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 4: many different changes where every four years there should be

1241
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 4: a reelection of these rankings and deers. That's what I

1242
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: have to say.

1243
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: So my pushback on that, though, is going back to

1244
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: what you said about Stafford on Tuesday when we talked

1245
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: about this, pat we said we talked about this past

1246
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty one sort of being outliers in

1247
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: his career, and your response to that was, well, look

1248
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: at the other years where he didn't have a healthy

1249
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: all line, or he didn't have a healthy Cooper Cup,

1250
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: or Cooper Cup wasn't playing up to his standards. So

1251
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: basically you're saying that it needs to be a little

1252
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: bit of that for Stafford to get to this level.

1253
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: The conditions have to be right and so now, but

1254
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: your argument for taking Lamar Jackson out of there is

1255
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: that the conditions aren't right, Like it's just they don't

1256
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: line up to me, that's all.

1257
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: That's my point.

1258
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: You took cam Ward off the Titans this year, right,

1259
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: and you put Josh Allen on there, you put Lamar

1260
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 3: Jackson on there, and you put Matthew Stafford there and

1261
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 3: he ran three simulations. I'm pretty confident that the Stafford

1262
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: led Titans are going to be the worst offensive.

1263
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: That is terrible. That is terrible. That is terrible. How

1264
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 4: could you say that with the general at the line

1265
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: that's able to dissect defenses with because.

1266
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: That is General's averaging twenty five touchdown.

1267
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: Passes a year without the success that has.

1268
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: Legitimately, this isn't even me saying it. The two most

1269
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: yards by season are two separate rams wide receivers Because

1270
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: to me, McVeigh is the genius behind all like he

1271
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: makes all of his players look so much better.

1272
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Speaker 4: So I hate bringing up Detroit. We were not having

1273
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: that same tone and talk about Stafford in terms of

1274
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 4: like QB one, right, But when we look at Stafford

1275
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: in Detroit, what he was able to maintain all those years,

1276
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: it's kind of amazing. It's kind of a man, yeah,

1277
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: but he's it's kind of amazing how we talk about

1278
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: him then versus now, it's kind of crazy, like why

1279
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 4: is it not the same energy Because his toughness, we

1280
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: always bring that into criteris his ability to dissect defenses

1281
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 4: on this list.

1282
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: At all, like he but people playing better this year

1283
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: was the fact that they're old, Like he could have

1284
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: built a house behind that old line.

1285
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: Like if he's under.

1286
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: Pressure, suddenly he can't get he can't escape like those others.

1287
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 3: And I know quarterback is like a pass first position,

1288
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: but those dual threat guys, like, that's the backbreaking stuff

1289
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: is what you do with your legs.

1290
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 4: That's why I have Josh Allen there in that tier

1291
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 4: with the Patrick Mahomes and a Matthew Stafford.

1292
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: Why a threat.

1293
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: That's why I flipped Lamar Jackson and Matthew Stafford. I

1294
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: got him a Tier two quarterback. I think that's really good.

1295
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: Those three seasons. One of the guys done seasons ever

1296
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: two years ago as a passer.

1297
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: Yes, that is the outlier year that you guys hold

1298
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 4: against Matthew Stafford. Again, we only have three years as

1299
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 4: a passing quarterback. Remove him as a threat on the

1300
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: ground that he.

1301
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: Why not? Because I won the Super Bowl? So that's

1302
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: that's part of his game. That's part of what makes

1303
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: him who he is. Football.

1304
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: Imagine if since I already catch threes.

1305
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: Right, I mean It's like, you know, what if what

1306
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: if Christian McCaffrey didn't catch the football? Like, I mean,

1307
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: that's that, then it's a different player you're talking about somebody.

1308
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: I hear it. I hear this.

1309
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 4: But again, it's not like I have Lamar in Tier three.

1310
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 4: Look at the tier that he's in.

1311
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: With Thatthford, which is if you're saying tier two is

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: not bad, then why are you okay with Why aren't

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: you Matthew Stafford being in.

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Speaker 4: Tier two just because of the season that we just had,

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: because of everything he had to fight through. This is

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01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 4: me with a very close microscope looking at all this

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01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: and watching Matthew Stafford from down one to the last

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: until the clock is hitting zero. Like I feel like

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 4: we look at Stafford as a box score quarterback and

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 4: then disrespect him when he's on that field dissecting defenses,

1321
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: no look passes. I'm not saying he's a field general.

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 4: That is not Lamar Jackson. He is not a field general.

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 4: The field generals are in the Tier one.

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Speaker 3: But Stafford isn't a I can put this team on

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01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: my back and regardless of conditions and drag you to

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01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: victory kind of quarterback. In my opinion, he can put

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: up big numbers. He's in a great system, but if

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: you put him on a bad team, he's not going

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: to in my opinion, like dragging them to the players.

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 4: To put Josh on the Titans. Put Josh to the Titans.

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 3: They look Do you look at the Bills roster this

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: year like way better than the Titans? Are you serious

1333
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: right now? I'm not saying it's not, but it's It

1334
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 3: was probably the worst roster of playoff teams outside of

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01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 3: the NFC stuff.

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01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean liked for years in Detroit allendetroited and win

1337
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Fine that he was is that he

1338
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: was a stack compiler. That was That was a knock

1339
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: on him in Detroit. He was a stack un filer.

1340
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: He didn't get these fans.

1341
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 3: We have instances of Stafford on bad teams and they

1342
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 3: were finished in last place. If you ax thirty two

1343
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 3: GMS to rank the quarterbacks, I'm very confident the top

1344
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: three are always going to be some combination of Alan

1345
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: Lamar Mahomes.

1346
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: Tier three, any any big anything that jumps out at you.

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: Florida there, Uh yeah, I would tier it down more

1348
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: like I think Jayden belongs there. I'm not willing to

1349
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: put Sam there yet because I know he's playing for

1350
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: a super Bowl, but we've seen the team around him

1351
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: has a big impact on that. I I don't know

1352
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: hard because like I think Baker.

1353
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Don't think Baker Mayfield belongs in Tier three.

1354
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 3: I don't think Bick.

1355
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 2: I think Baker's Tier four.

1356
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 4: That's a good conversation because I almost broke up Tier

1357
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 4: three into a tier. But then, yeah, I can see

1358
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 4: some of these quarterbacks staying in or moving up, like

1359
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: I could have broke it up, but I didn't see.

1360
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 4: I think Baker's I think Baker's in a tier four.

1361
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 4: I think I think Jared Goff is probably there. Bonnix, which,

1362
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 4: by the way, storry about bon Nicks that he had

1363
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 4: apparently the reason he broke his ankles that he had

1364
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 4: some condition that, accorded to the doctors, made it inevitable.

1365
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: That's crazy, wild wild. Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

1366
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: When I read that some pre existing condition that made

1367
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: it inevitable, which to me was like what that He's

1368
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: had several ankle surgeries dating back to high school, And

1369
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: so now I'm like, do I need to reevaluate the

1370
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: way I look at both like if he's had multiple

1371
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: ankle surgeries, Like like you are Reuler Florida, Florida's saying,

1372
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Pennix has had three ACL surgeries is

1373
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: a thing that can never be taken off his resume.

1374
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: Bonnis having had multiple ankle surgeries dating back to high

1375
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: schools the thing you can never take off of his resume, Like, uh,

1376
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: all right, I mean, I know Sean Payton's trying to

1377
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: be all autimistic about it, but that's kind of like

1378
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: a wait, what sort of moment to me?

1379
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: For real.

1380
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 4: I mean, that's probably why he wasn't running as much

1381
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 4: this season, because it probably was already in the back

1382
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 4: of his mind, like, Okay, something's wrong.

1383
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: So if he's not running as much money, if he's

1384
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: not running as much at least in fantasy, Like, I don't.

1385
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: Next year, I might not be drafting bow next year.

1386
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what I know.

1387
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,959
Speaker 4: I want, it might not by I'm good.

1388
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drake May.

1389
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 3: I think he's firmly in Tier three.

1390
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think look purty, Darnald trev

1391
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: Drake May, Caleb Williams hurts, Yeah, Jordan loves the guy,

1392
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: who I think is a good quarterback that doesn't.

1393
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 2: Necessarily translate the fantasy.

1394
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they don't let him throw.

1395
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 4: He's not consistent in fantasy, so therefore, like he gets

1396
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 4: forgotten in these real life football conversations.

1397
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: But again I.

1398
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 4: Didn't leave him off. Just too many characters.

1399
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 3: I think or Love is wanting to be better.

1400
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

1401
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1402
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's on blue Sky if you want to go

1403
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: find it, Lakwan Jones, NFL dot, d skuy dot social

1404
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: if you want to find me.

1405
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't allow poles on blue Sky yet.

1406
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: That's don't yet. No, it's kind of a downfall. That's

1407
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: what's coming. You know.

1408
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: The devs.

1409
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: The devs have been contacted about it. Uh.

1410
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: But but yeahs more and blue Sky. I'm trying. Yay,

1411
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: get off Elon's site. Man, that dude alone, No good.

1412
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 3: They're all bots, they're not real.

1413
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: Come to the right, Come to blue Sky. It is

1414
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: the official app of sports. Come on over and come

1415
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: hang out with us. It's good time over there.

1416
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

1417
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, go check it out, Go check out the

1418
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: Kuan Tears.

1419
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: You can interact with that one.

1420
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: But you can if you want to put a pole

1421
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: up on on Elon's place. You can do that too,

1422
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: and see what people say about it. See if the

1423
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: bots come in and swarm it, and see how they

1424
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: feel about it. In the meantime, enjoy the Pro Bowl

1425
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: if that's your thing this week.

1426
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: We'll be back with you next week. Of course.

1427
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: Uh, you guys actually may be up in my old

1428
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: neck of the woods next week.

1429
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 3: Hum.

1430
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 4: San Francisco, huh yeah big, Maybe for me.

1431
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: Over to make sure you fisherman's worked at yourself? A

1432
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: a clam chow?

1433
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: Well you don't like, see if we get a clam

1434
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: chowder bowl down there at the at Budhan sour dough.

1435
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: You can go to gar Delli some chocolate, do all the.

1436
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: Touristy stuff, some food options. I'm staying in Chinatown.

1437
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: All the touristy stuff.

1438
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Media Center, Okay, you know any food spots over there?

1439
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: I will I will ask around, Mike.

1440
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: I will say this because like, I haven't been to

1441
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: this city in a while, so I'll have to find

1442
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: I have friends.

1443
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 2: Though, who live there who could probably give you some

1444
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: better recommendations.

1445
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: So I will, I'll ask around. I'll let you know

1446
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate that was probably not for consumption. For the

1447
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: rest of the people on this podcast, I don't know.

1448
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: He stop by, say look Florida and mcquadden. Next week

1449
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it then.

1450
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,959
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'll do it for this edition of the NFL

1451
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy, do good

1452
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: and live well.

1453
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: Enjoy the weekend.

1454
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: Everybody, Please take care of yourselves and everybody around you,

1455
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you on Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: Wow. M