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Speaker 1: to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I Am Devin,
Speaker 1: joined this week by Joe and Steve, and today we're
Speaker 1: going to do something a little bit different. You may
Speaker 1: remember we've done these sort of things before, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna do um a three for mystery kind of but
Speaker 1: we kind of wanted to change it up. We're tired
Speaker 1: of talking about murdered and disappeared kids and we are
Speaker 1: really awful stuff and we've got a lot more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more coming down, So we thought
Speaker 1: we would do something a little different. And um, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about cartoon conspiracies is what we're calling them,
Speaker 1: but kind of weird theories that people have regarding cartoons
Speaker 1: or cartoon universes or anything like that. And um, each
Speaker 1: of us has our own that we like. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to start because I'm bossy pants you are, and
Speaker 1: mine is the most interesting. In the chair, I'm driving
Speaker 1: this but okay, I know, I'm sorry, so I just
Speaker 1: like it so much. I know you guys are freaked
Speaker 1: out by it, but it's fine. I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about the Pixar universe, which I think many of my
Speaker 1: contemporaries will know, and then, you know, people who have
Speaker 1: kids will also be familiar with the Pixar universe. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: come on, I'm gonna think it does turn out that
Speaker 1: Steve has seen more Pixar movies than I have. Yeah, somehow,
Speaker 1: I've not seen very many at all, because you don't
Speaker 1: have kids and you're an adult. Probably yeah, I however
Speaker 1: him not I think adult. I mean I think I
Speaker 1: didn't see the Incredible Yeah, okay, I saw that one.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start off by saying that most of
Speaker 1: the credit for this sort of theory go. It's actually
Speaker 1: there's a book written about this whole world, and we
Speaker 1: won't do it even a little bit of justice because
Speaker 1: I'm not going to write a book for you guys
Speaker 1: right now. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, his name is John nageary um,
Speaker 1: and he wrote a book. So if this interests you
Speaker 1: and you want to know more about the theory, you
Speaker 1: should definitely do that. Um. But I thought it's start
Speaker 1: off by giving some credit where credit is due, that
Speaker 1: this and I'm super intrigued by this, and he's not
Speaker 1: the only person who's added to this whole timeline, but
Speaker 1: I just want to get that out in the open first. Yeah. So, basically,
Speaker 1: this theory is that Pixar all takes place in the
Speaker 1: same universe, all of their movies, every single one, and
Speaker 1: it's it's actually a continual timeline, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about how these movies all fit together, and Joe's
Speaker 1: gonna have nothing to say about it, and Steve's gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of um so in this theory, and
Speaker 1: there's a big there's a big reveal at the end
Speaker 1: of like what really ties it all together. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna spoil it for you. Yeah, ahead,
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, it actually says that the top there. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so obviously this universe would start with Brave the movie.
Speaker 1: You guys, I haven't actually seen Brave yet but not yet,
Speaker 1: but Steve has seen Brave a lot um go to
Speaker 1: Sleep movie, and so this theory starts with Merida discovering
Speaker 1: the Will of the Wisps, which is like magic, right,
Speaker 1: It's this blue magic thing in the movie. Sorry spoilers
Speaker 1: alerts everybody. Uh this, it turns her mother into a bear.
Speaker 1: Um no, but the will of the Wisps does explain
Speaker 1: why animals and inanimate objects can behave like humans. So
Speaker 1: this kind of starts this whole Pixar universe of you know,
Speaker 1: weird things being very human. What's that? What's the word
Speaker 1: for that? It's yeah. In Brave the movie, there's this
Speaker 1: old witch who utilizes the magic and she mysteriously vanishes
Speaker 1: through wooden doors. That's her mode of transportation as she
Speaker 1: goes in and out of wooden doors, opens them and
Speaker 1: steps the doorway and then closes them and by well
Speaker 1: yeah who. So this sort of magic, and according to
Speaker 1: this theory, is what leads to the rise of superheroes,
Speaker 1: which leads us to Incredibles and and you know the Incredibles.
Speaker 1: They are in that universe and in that world, the
Speaker 1: superheroes are really maintaining peace and order in the world,
Speaker 1: as with good any good superhero franchise. But Buddy, you
Speaker 1: guys remember Buddyddy never wear a KPE. Buddy, he created uh,
Speaker 1: self serving AI robots and a high tech what it's
Speaker 1: called zero point energy, which is just an electromagnetic energy
Speaker 1: that exists in a vacuum sort of thing. This is
Speaker 1: kind of where we start to see negative stuff come
Speaker 1: from the inanimate objects being basically self aware. So this
Speaker 1: leads us to Toy story one. In Toy Story one,
Speaker 1: it's kind of when we start to see toys absorb
Speaker 1: this zero point energy, which is you know, derived from
Speaker 1: the will of the whisps, magic energy. It travels, it's unseen,
Speaker 1: and the first signs of life from toys are present
Speaker 1: because of Buddy who's syndrome, right, his technical prowess, I
Speaker 1: guess is what you could say, there's why we have
Speaker 1: Woody and everybody else. Yeah, And the toys, for their part,
Speaker 1: they come up with kind of rules and learned that
Speaker 1: human love can kind of enrich their lives and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and so they're really abiding by that. So
Speaker 1: that's fine, no problem. But then into Toy story two,
Speaker 1: we kind of start to discover that some toys have
Speaker 1: isolated themselves, and that's obviously very dangerous. It's because human
Speaker 1: love is actually overrated, as we all learn as adults.
Speaker 1: It's not. Actually it's a bit fickle sometimes too. I
Speaker 1: think you know what your toy you can get to
Speaker 1: the good will or stuffed into a box and we're
Speaker 1: left in a field. In Jesse's case, Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take the cow girl, right, she was the cow girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a little slight divergence here and hop
Speaker 1: into the ocean. With finding splash, we find that fish
Speaker 1: are actually incredibly advanced as well. At this point. They
Speaker 1: have schools, they have a network of highways. Basically, I mean, dude, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dory is an animal in that world. Everybody knows who
Speaker 1: Dori is because it's own degenerous, so everybody knows who
Speaker 1: that is. And the theory is that she was actually
Speaker 1: experimented on by humans, which is why she's so forgetful.
Speaker 1: Except Store Too, I'm sorry, No, I'll just wait. Emo
Speaker 1: too kind of spears that whole idea, but I'll leave
Speaker 1: it alone. And why would any experiment of fish like that?
Speaker 1: Why to just catch her and eat her? Fighting? Emo
Speaker 1: two is not in anywhere in this theory, it's not,
Speaker 1: so do you want to finding Nemo two tracks Dories origins,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember any experimentation happening in there. Well,
Speaker 1: she's forgetful. She was forgetful since she was the itsy
Speaker 1: bitsiest thing ever well maybe her parents were experimented on.
Speaker 1: That's why she's forgetting LSD for fish. Actually, what happened.
Speaker 1: It was a shipment illicit ship from South America and
Speaker 1: the coast guard like was going about to like board
Speaker 1: your shift, and it tossed it overboard and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like oh fish food fish food. Oh man, whoops, their
Speaker 1: gums were all itchy, poor fish fish. Yeah. And we
Speaker 1: also see this this animal kind of curiosity and also
Speaker 1: heightened enlightenment, I guess self awareness with Ratatui, which is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Pixar movies. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of rats, you like the idea
Speaker 1: of rats and control. I don't know. It's weird anyway.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's fresh for Rata tat is the
Speaker 1: sound of machine guns in the comics Conspiracy. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: This is the first time that we see an actual
Speaker 1: interaction between right in Finding Nemo, there's some kind of
Speaker 1: interaction between humans and fish. But yeah, it's terrifying interactions,
Speaker 1: mostly which is caused a little girl's name when she
Speaker 1: stuck her face on Yeah with the braces. No, no,
Speaker 1: not interested. But it's interesting because in the first interaction
Speaker 1: in the in the Pixar universe that we see animals
Speaker 1: interacting with humans. It's to the purpose of controlling of
Speaker 1: really idiotic human It was kind of dumb. We just
Speaker 1: kind of dumb. Yeah, let's other ask controlling the human Linguini.
Speaker 1: What did I say, Luigi? Oh yeah, Linguini. I was like,
Speaker 1: where's Mario? I don't know, come on, get it together,
Speaker 1: devon geez. Then three years later we hit Toy Story three. Now,
Speaker 1: toys have gone through a lot with humans at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they've been physically and emotionally abused. Most A
Speaker 1: lot of the toys that we see in this movie
Speaker 1: just straight up hate humans because humans discard toys like
Speaker 1: they're just objects. Because frankly, humans, I think, don't know
Speaker 1: that they're sentient beings at this point, and it's not
Speaker 1: like the toys are doing much to like that serves right.
Speaker 1: Green Army Men though, they're the ones who they're the
Speaker 1: fighting force, except they turn out there their achilles heel
Speaker 1: is a magnifying glass in the sun. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I had a whole set of those guys. I love
Speaker 1: those things. So was a kid that not not just
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, this is a long time ago.
Speaker 1: The basement. Yeah, weird shapes and it's fine. Um. This
Speaker 1: this kind of helps to set the stage for the
Speaker 1: uprising that we're going to see in the coming years
Speaker 1: of the sentient machines and toys and other things previously
Speaker 1: in animate, previously in animate objects. Yes, this is when
Speaker 1: we get to up and everybody starts crying hysterically. Why
Speaker 1: why am I crying? Did you see up? You just
Speaker 1: watched the first five minute? Well you you you're heartless,
Speaker 1: You might not cry. Let me guess his mother gets
Speaker 1: shut by a hunter. How could Yeah? Yes, for all
Speaker 1: of you who's wat yes, that is exactly dang it.
Speaker 1: So this theory continues on that Carl and Ellie actually
Speaker 1: right to Andy to try to get rid of the
Speaker 1: to try to convince him to get rid of the toys.
Speaker 1: There's no actual, like back up evidence for this connection
Speaker 1: at all, but well we'll go with it. Why not, um.
Speaker 1: And the reason that they want to go live in
Speaker 1: solitude is because they know that this uprising is coming,
Speaker 1: and so they are trying to get out so that
Speaker 1: they aren't a part of it and they can just
Speaker 1: live their human life. Now, I think you need to
Speaker 1: let people know that this this is this whole series
Speaker 1: of clues in the movie, Like there's a letter from
Speaker 1: Carl and Ellie panned in Andy's room. Is that right?
Speaker 1: Because that's how that's how this this distinction or this
Speaker 1: this chain of events were is kind of being assembled.
Speaker 1: It's not just so you may not know. I guess
Speaker 1: I've gotten this far. You may not know. I just
Speaker 1: assumed everyone would that in Pixar movies, there's stuff that references.
Speaker 1: They call them easter eggs a lot, but there's stuff,
Speaker 1: little bits of reference to connect all of the different
Speaker 1: all the different movies together with common threads and themes um.
Speaker 1: And so that's where the basis of this whole theory
Speaker 1: comes from, is the fact that it seems like they're connected.
Speaker 1: But why would they all be connected? And especially when
Speaker 1: we start getting into the like cars world, where like
Speaker 1: humans just don't even exist at all, Like what could
Speaker 1: be the explanation for all of these things existing in
Speaker 1: the same world. Thanks, that's good for me to just
Speaker 1: not be plowing through it was I just remember the
Speaker 1: was it a postcard? Was that? What was? I think?
Speaker 1: So something like that? It was you talking about? And
Speaker 1: I think it's toy Story too. There's a bulletin board
Speaker 1: and it's one or two. I thought it was three,
Speaker 1: maybe three? Well Andy. In Andy's room, there's a corkboard.
Speaker 1: He's got things pinned to it, and one of the
Speaker 1: things is a postcard, right, yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: it's postcard at least a postcards from Carl and Ellie,
Speaker 1: who are the characters from Up. So this is like that,
Speaker 1: you know, now, Toy Story three and Up didn't come
Speaker 1: out at the same time, so there's this weird back
Speaker 1: and forth little bits that are in the background suddenly
Speaker 1: becoming things that are in the foreground in another movie. Totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so in Up again, spoilers, I guess, um, Carl
Speaker 1: is let's just let's just apply a spoiler blanket to
Speaker 1: this episode, yeah, which we did already. So Carl is
Speaker 1: forced to give up his house to a corporation which
Speaker 1: is big and large, which we'll talk l Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute, because they're expanding the city. Basically,
Speaker 1: this is foreshadowing. Obviously, the corporation is the cause for
Speaker 1: the pollution of the earth, and we'll get to this
Speaker 1: when we talk about Wally, but it's mostly as a
Speaker 1: result of technology overreach basically um, which we a little
Speaker 1: bit and you know it's in the references real world stuff.
Speaker 1: Right now, to Charles, who's the main antagonist in UP.
Speaker 1: While one of the many main antagonists in UP. He
Speaker 1: has this this army of dogs which he kind of abuses.
Speaker 1: And you'll remember, you remember the Golden Retriever from UP.
Speaker 1: You know. At this point, Carl kind of figures out
Speaker 1: the animals can communicate with humans, and also the animals
Speaker 1: are not happy with humans at all, and so the
Speaker 1: kind of the training of the dogs, the really inhumane
Speaker 1: treatment of animals leads to the tipping point of the war,
Speaker 1: the war between what the animals and people? Animals and people?
Speaker 1: What about what about the machines? Get in right, They're coming.
Speaker 1: They're coming, buddy, Yeah, they're coming for you. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: war on screen, no, no, no kids movies like PGG movie,
Speaker 1: there's no This is just a we just an assumption
Speaker 1: that people are making that a war happen. Most violent
Speaker 1: things that ever happens in a Pictar movie happens in
Speaker 1: the beginning of Everyone, where that silly lamp squishes the
Speaker 1: line that's the violent I think that's actually true. Yeah, Ok, yeah,
Speaker 1: for reasons that are not totally clear to me. I
Speaker 1: think you have to read the book to totally understand why.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, machines decided to come and and
Speaker 1: save the humans sided with us. They sided with the humans,
Speaker 1: may because we recreated them or something, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we all know how that goes. They also know
Speaker 1: if they want to be like maintained and lubricated, they
Speaker 1: kind of got to have us around. Well I'm not
Speaker 1: according to the Cars universe actually, but yeah, but so,
Speaker 1: but we do know how this always goes. You know,
Speaker 1: machines rise up and they're like, we're going to help you.
Speaker 1: But then the machines of course realize, oh, hey, actually
Speaker 1: it'd be super easy for us to defeat you as well,
Speaker 1: so so send us away. Yeah. Well, we did pollute
Speaker 1: the earth a little bit, you know, humans basically started
Speaker 1: to ruin the earth, and so we either sent ourselves
Speaker 1: away or the machine sent us away. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: we sent ourselves away. But also there's a question, based
Speaker 1: on Wally, maybe the machines were kind of behind the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Anyway, this is where we end up with cars,
Speaker 1: where cars who are now sentient beings are on the
Speaker 1: Earth alone, but all vehicles are sent beings at this point.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, yeah, all vehicles, cars, planes, all them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although I will pause here to mentioned Planes is not
Speaker 1: actually a Pixar only movie, but there's but the airplanes
Speaker 1: in the Cars universe are also basically everything is yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: and so there's actually there was a movie called Planes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Airplane somebody else. They know it's Pixar and Disney
Speaker 1: or something, so it doesn't actually fit any of the
Speaker 1: Disney movies. Don't go in this universe Pixar Disney movies.
Speaker 1: But okay, so humans gone, cars existing in the world
Speaker 1: all by themselves, but also obviously polluting the heck out
Speaker 1: of the world and making it totally uninhabitable for like anything. Cool. Um.
Speaker 1: In Cars to we go to Europe in Japan, which
Speaker 1: shows the same planet under the same circumstances. So we
Speaker 1: know it's not just America with Michael Caine is the
Speaker 1: super Spike car. Well we know that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not just America that suffered this fate of suddenly there
Speaker 1: are no humans there, but there's still human infrastructure everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, there's still high rises, which like if cars
Speaker 1: were in its own universe. Why would we have these
Speaker 1: like giant buildings. They're driving around in them, they live
Speaker 1: in them. How it doesn't matter. So they use the
Speaker 1: elevator for crime and say did they look desolate and
Speaker 1: then deserted? And they're perfectly maintained on the outside. But like,
Speaker 1: you don't, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But
Speaker 1: I don't remember ever going into like a big high
Speaker 1: rise on anything. Uh they do in cars to do
Speaker 1: they Yeah, they're totally inside of buildings in card too,
Speaker 1: because there's big galas and stuff. Oh that's right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's where Bruce Campbell meets in. But the lower parts,
Speaker 1: right are they go up? I can't remember. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter much, but because because mayor has to use
Speaker 1: the restroom. Right. So to my point though that they
Speaker 1: you know, there's no reason for them to be this
Speaker 1: human infrastructure if cars were the only thing that ever
Speaker 1: existed in this universe. Well you know again they so yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. So obviously the people were there at one point.
Speaker 1: Now that those high rises are obviously being used for storage,
Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah, yeah, obviously there's the underlying factor that
Speaker 1: we all know about axiom. We all know about We
Speaker 1: all know about Alan Oil, which is the corporation that
Speaker 1: you know provides all of the oil and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff in the cars movies, which is owned quite
Speaker 1: explicitly by BNL Big and Large, which is you know,
Speaker 1: this huge corporation that runs everything and they're the ones
Speaker 1: who run Axiom as well. So as previously mentioned, of course,
Speaker 1: the earth becomes totally polluted, and it's not like we're
Speaker 1: producing a lot of new oil for cars. So eventually
Speaker 1: the cars run out of oil and just all die.
Speaker 1: I do like Mater, Yeah, so they run out of
Speaker 1: gas and and they just parked themselves and they're just
Speaker 1: sort of trapped in a mobile or do they just
Speaker 1: actually die And I think they just are trapped in
Speaker 1: immobile and then they rust out because we see in Wally,
Speaker 1: which is what we're going to talk about next anyway,
Speaker 1: that things are just it's just like things giant trash piles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they've been compacted down into small, little, neat piles
Speaker 1: of stuff. But that's how the world is is it's
Speaker 1: just covered in trash um, which one would assume would
Speaker 1: be what the world would be like if it was
Speaker 1: just run by cars and stuff. For a while also correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so at this time, Wally is the only machine left
Speaker 1: on earth. He survived because he was fascinated with human
Speaker 1: culture and uh he also you know, has friendship with
Speaker 1: a cockroach, but he also wasn't above certain types of cannibalism. Almost.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I love the side theory that
Speaker 1: Wally is the first robotic serial killer. Did you read that?
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, because he kind of is, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: the only reason and you see this explicitly in the
Speaker 1: movies or a movie. Um, the only reason that he
Speaker 1: still exists is because he's not above just literally taking
Speaker 1: parts out of other things and replacing them. It's like
Speaker 1: if if human parts were interchangeable. It's just like being like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a dead body, I'm going to take those eyes
Speaker 1: because they look like they're in better shape than my eyes.
Speaker 1: But the serial killer theories that he actually killed them
Speaker 1: all just save himself, which he might have. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he found when he found them and took their stuff,
Speaker 1: they were still function I thought that they were like
Speaker 1: the like, you know, basically shut off at least or
Speaker 1: does he actually pull the plug on himself and then
Speaker 1: part we don't know. I kind of like the idea
Speaker 1: that cute, cuddly Wally is was out there just ripping
Speaker 1: the CPUs out of all of his buddies and taking
Speaker 1: their person pieces. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, But we also
Speaker 1: see him as you know, kind of almost a robot Jesus,
Speaker 1: because he and his love Eve bring humans back to Earth,
Speaker 1: back to the Garden of Eden of full of trash.
Speaker 1: During the credits of Wally, we do see you remember
Speaker 1: they've plant the tree that was the seed that they
Speaker 1: found on Earth. So they bring it back and they
Speaker 1: plant it and it grows into this really giant, mighty tree,
Speaker 1: which is actually the same plant that we see in
Speaker 1: A Bug's Life. You guys, remember A Bug's Life. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like two thousand three or something when that came out.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, though I kind of liked ANTS better.
Speaker 1: I know it's not a Pixar movie, but it kind
Speaker 1: of liked ANTS better. I don't know that I had
Speaker 1: an opinion one way or another, although I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you that the thing that kind of signed to Ants
Speaker 1: off for me was I believe was it David's Spade
Speaker 1: that played the main character of that If somebody like
Speaker 1: that his voice doesn't do it for me. Interesting anyway,
Speaker 1: back to me talking talking, So you've been talking for
Speaker 1: so long minutes, right, Basically, you know the ants, ants,
Speaker 1: all of bugs lives have been uh catches um, They've
Speaker 1: been extended, and I think a lot of that is
Speaker 1: due to the wild the whisps magic that still exists
Speaker 1: in this world. So that will of the whisps magic
Speaker 1: um not only has elongated bugs lives, but also has
Speaker 1: encouraged a new step of evolution in these bugs. That's
Speaker 1: just what we want, right, Yeah, which does actually make
Speaker 1: them evolve into a different species. I don't know if
Speaker 1: i'd call it dominant. In the theory, it says they're
Speaker 1: the dominant species, but I don't think they're dominant. I
Speaker 1: think they're different, and that is that they eventually evolve
Speaker 1: into the monsters of monsters, You and monsters, inc. Yeah
Speaker 1: that doesn't work though, because they're animals. The majority of
Speaker 1: the creatures in the Monsters universe, monsters, you, and monsters, inc.
Speaker 1: Do not appear to be insect like, and I would
Speaker 1: imagine that if they all branched off from bugs, they
Speaker 1: would retain a lot of insect like not necessarily started
Speaker 1: we started at a single cell organism, so we were
Speaker 1: kind of just amiva's and well, we don't look like
Speaker 1: a mevas today, do it. Well, we look a little
Speaker 1: bit like the tree or the what's the word the
Speaker 1: split in evolution, you know where there's that junction and
Speaker 1: if it's if they all come off of the same trunk,
Speaker 1: they're more than ambas at that point. So why don't
Speaker 1: we say that all animals evolved into the monster? Okay,
Speaker 1: they evolved into the monsters of Monsters You and Monsters Inc.
Speaker 1: Which is hundreds if not thousands of years after Wally
Speaker 1: Uh and a bug's life, which happened kind of close together,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, radiation and will magic, will of
Speaker 1: wisps magic combined from BNL to first time radiation has
Speaker 1: ever been made out to be a good thing. I know,
Speaker 1: these monsters accidentally wipe humans from the face of the earth. Whoops,
Speaker 1: hoopsie daisies, but they so in Monsters You, basically monsters
Speaker 1: are taught that humans are like toxic, horrible thing. Um
Speaker 1: But in Monsters Inc. They're still kind of like that.
Speaker 1: But it's I think it's less so is like how
Speaker 1: I feel about it. I feel like the ideas have
Speaker 1: evolved a little bit, even though you know, monsters an't
Speaker 1: happened before monsters you in our actual when in our universe.
Speaker 1: So the problem here, though, is that, um, you know, monsters,
Speaker 1: they're harnessing the wrong energy form, is the problem? Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, on accident, they create time travel. Don't
Speaker 1: ask me how, so I can't think. Yeah really, yeah,
Speaker 1: they create time travel, and time travels through these doors, right,
Speaker 1: because you guys, remember the whole premise of Monsters, Inc.
Speaker 1: Is that they go through the doors to the human world,
Speaker 1: to you know, in the children's bedrooms, to sure kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're scaring kids. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it's the wrong kind of energy, that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm getting lost in my own theory.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Um, but it turns out that's the
Speaker 1: wrong kind of power. So they can't actually just totally
Speaker 1: kill all of the humans, but they've accidentally created this
Speaker 1: time travel thing, and so that brings us up to
Speaker 1: the end of Monsters, Inc. Which is the end of
Speaker 1: our timeline kind of. But it also brings us to Boo.
Speaker 1: You remember Boo you did you see Monsters Inc. Steve
Speaker 1: you on Monsters Inc. Yeah, boo, is this very cute
Speaker 1: little girl who Sully, who's that the big blue monster
Speaker 1: guy is supposed to be. Yeah, he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: I want to say haunting, but it's not haunting. It's scary,
Speaker 1: scaring or something like that. But it turns out he
Speaker 1: should terrifying. Yeah, But she just thinks he's adorable and
Speaker 1: amazing and wonderful and everything, because yes, yeah, but she
Speaker 1: does get I mean, you know, but Sully eventually has
Speaker 1: to leave and not be a part of her life anymore.
Speaker 1: But she never quite gets over Sully. Instead, she becomes
Speaker 1: the witch you remember from Brave Stay with me? How
Speaker 1: do the monsters travel through times? Wooden doors? How does
Speaker 1: the witch in Brave travel through time? Wooden doors? She
Speaker 1: brings back the will of the Whisps magic from the
Speaker 1: beginning to start this whole timeline over again. She's also
Speaker 1: I don't know if inadvertently maybe probably, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not boot, so I can't tell you what her
Speaker 1: thought processes. Yeah, I know, geez. And then she's also
Speaker 1: the one that leaves behind these little easter eggs, which
Speaker 1: is the you know, there's the pizza truck, that's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from Toy Story. The pizza truck is in every single
Speaker 1: Pixar movie ever made in this universe or not. And Sully.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not, there's
Speaker 1: an image of Sully in every single Pixar movie ever created.
Speaker 1: The green eyeball. I thought it was Mike. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's maculation that. I mean, it adds credence to this theory,
Speaker 1: right that, like Boo is going through on accident because
Speaker 1: she probably can't really control this time traveling travel thing.
Speaker 1: She's not a monster, so she's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a monster. Um, so she's leaving these Easter eggs to
Speaker 1: mark for herself where she's been. So your favorite things
Speaker 1: pizza trucks and Sully. Maybe I like it. I like
Speaker 1: the theory a lot Joe thought on this whole whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you kind of zoned out there
Speaker 1: a little bit in the middle, but in any of
Speaker 1: these movies. Yeah, I like the theory. Sure, I'll go
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, great, cool, that's my conspiracy theory. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's it's conveniently assembled there. There's some amazing
Speaker 1: leaps in in. I would say that the war is
Speaker 1: the only amazing leap in the storyline I think. I
Speaker 1: think it's much better than in any other theory out there. See.
Speaker 1: But here's my problem, though, is that this this theory
Speaker 1: he made the book by like a year or so ago.
Speaker 1: That sound about right, Okay, Well, three more Pixar movies
Speaker 1: are going to come out in the next year or so,
Speaker 1: and what's going to be very telling is if it
Speaker 1: starts to feel like he is shoehorning them into it,
Speaker 1: because I kind of feel like he shoehorned a bugs
Speaker 1: life in and so I'm really That's why I think
Speaker 1: it was very clean and simple when there was say,
Speaker 1: two dozen movies, But as soon as it started spanning
Speaker 1: a much greater catalog, I think that's where the thing
Speaker 1: starts to show its threads. And here's what I'll say
Speaker 1: is that I have read a lot of negative feedback
Speaker 1: about this theory on the line, and people get really
Speaker 1: mad about it. And here's what I have to say
Speaker 1: about it. It's a fun theory about Pixar movies. Guys.
Speaker 1: There's no like big murder. Nobody's suffering for this theory.
Speaker 1: I think it's really fun, and I choose to believe
Speaker 1: that it's true, and then I'll just, you know, keep
Speaker 1: making leaps with the more Pixar movies that come out.
Speaker 1: But that's my There will be a conspiracy. You're somebody
Speaker 1: did suffer the family of the Eye in the word Pixar.
Speaker 1: It got squished, wife and kids. I don't think in
Speaker 1: the dustbin, now, Okay, Steve, you're right, Okay, the Eye suffered.
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Speaker 1: don't you talk about your my thing? Yeah? Okay, Well
Speaker 1: this is an older series of cartoons because you're older
Speaker 1: a little bit yeah. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have seen the Coyote Roadrunner cartoons. Peter outlawed that about
Speaker 1: three years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, some of those those
Speaker 1: old Latins cartoons have been chopped up a bit because
Speaker 1: they feel like there's some heinous content in there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The crows like that was some terrible stuff. Are you
Speaker 1: talking You're talking about Dumbo? Well it was it the
Speaker 1: three Crows in Dumbo. Yeah, that was that was That
Speaker 1: wasn't lutat so that was like Disney. But that's just
Speaker 1: kind of a general decided. Yeah, I mean that there
Speaker 1: was some more racist stuff way back in the early
Speaker 1: days of cartoons. Yeah, but the Kydie road Runner was
Speaker 1: not like that. They didn't have any black characters. Actually,
Speaker 1: it was kind of lily white, I said. There were
Speaker 1: no white people either, come to think of it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there really weren't. But for those of you who haven't
Speaker 1: seen the cartoons, let me let me go over real quick,
Speaker 1: like very quick like no. Yeah, And so it's set
Speaker 1: in the desert of Arizona, and basically there is a
Speaker 1: coyote and he of course is looking for dinner and
Speaker 1: he wants to kill and eat the roadrunner, and so
Speaker 1: he devises various methods to try to kill the roadrunner,
Speaker 1: and and every time he fails miserably. Usually yeah, he
Speaker 1: usually uses uh, you know, acne products. Actrie Corporation produced
Speaker 1: a huge variety of different things that could be used
Speaker 1: for killing a roadrunner. They always fail. And yes, and
Speaker 1: like Steve says that kyote goes unner excuse the road
Speaker 1: runing always go like that and dashes off and I
Speaker 1: and actually that's a theory out there that coyote doesn't
Speaker 1: actually want to kill the road running for dinner. And
Speaker 1: the coyote actually hates the road runner because the road
Speaker 1: runner is actually not beeping, I mean they're used. They're
Speaker 1: beeping out obscenities whenever the top. And so the road
Speaker 1: runner is basically a foul mouth, a little bastard and
Speaker 1: costly saying, you know, calling, calling the coyote follow names,
Speaker 1: and so the coyote is naturally really hate little guy
Speaker 1: and wants to go, Yeah, that's out there. You're better
Speaker 1: to be able to watch it again. So let's get
Speaker 1: right into it. There are there are a number of
Speaker 1: theories about what explains the cartoon, I mean, what's really
Speaker 1: going on here? Okay, Number one As I said, one
Speaker 1: of the big themes is that the coyote is always
Speaker 1: ordering stuff from Acne Corporation, and the stuff usually fails
Speaker 1: or he misuses it or whatever. He usually wants up
Speaker 1: blowing himself up. If he gets a bomb from Acne,
Speaker 1: he'll blow himself up with it accidentally, that kind of uh.
Speaker 1: And so one of the theories that is actually out there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know who put it up originally, somebody
Speaker 1: on read it maybe I don't know, but somebody theorized
Speaker 1: that perhaps the road runner is actually the CEO of
Speaker 1: Acting Corporation. Yeah, and so he's in a he's in
Speaker 1: a position to assure that whenever the coyote orders anything
Speaker 1: lethal from them, he can have it sabotaged or can
Speaker 1: sabotage it himself, and so he always oils the poor coyote,
Speaker 1: who's not aware of this at all. He put the
Speaker 1: black mark on his Amazon account. Yeah, yeah, somebody flags it.
Speaker 1: And and there is actually a little bit of support
Speaker 1: for this number one. I mean, the Actuate products, do
Speaker 1: you know, unfailingly fail, there's no doubt about that. Well, no,
Speaker 1: sometimes they work, but they work at the wrong time. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's that too. But they don't quite work the way
Speaker 1: that Kyote would like them to. Uh, and so and
Speaker 1: another possible another pro thing here is well, there is
Speaker 1: a picture on the web of the road Runner wearing
Speaker 1: a suit and time and as the internet is true, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it totally is and so and so. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that means the CEO.
Speaker 1: If that maybe he was just dressing up for his
Speaker 1: prom maybe well, you know, if you look at the
Speaker 1: road Runner, he the way his coloring is on his body,
Speaker 1: he could be wearing a roadrunner version of a shirt
Speaker 1: with a vest on because the colors on his wings
Speaker 1: are different than his front. So we could have the
Speaker 1: old school business suit vest on. Yeah, it could be,
Speaker 1: or mean, maybe those are just his natural coloring. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. But so that is the theory and
Speaker 1: it's out there. You will find a video about this
Speaker 1: out there on the webs if you want to look
Speaker 1: for it. You won't have much much trouble that On
Speaker 1: the concite, on the anti set of this theory, there
Speaker 1: is the fact that the road Runner has the brain
Speaker 1: the size of a p and he couldn't really be
Speaker 1: the CEO of anything except maybe a nonprofit um. And uh,
Speaker 1: there's also the question of time. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: have time to run this massive corporation and act me.
Speaker 1: It's a massive corporation to produce all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: So he's running the score oparition, and he also has
Speaker 1: time to intercept all the coyotes orders and sabotage these products.
Speaker 1: And he has all this time also to run around
Speaker 1: the desert way out in Arizona. You know, the thing
Speaker 1: is that, if you think about it, there are world
Speaker 1: leaders who are in charge of entire countries and yet
Speaker 1: still have time to spend obscene amounts of their day
Speaker 1: on Twitter. That's yeah. There is golfing too, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that's popular. That's been popular with a few presidents. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But still and the last of all, I mean, if
Speaker 1: he really was CEO, it's not great pr to sabotage
Speaker 1: your products and then have it arranged to have it
Speaker 1: filmed so that the whole world gets to see your
Speaker 1: products fail in a big way. That that's actually for me.
Speaker 1: Kind of the death knel for this particular theory is that,
Speaker 1: you know, why would he do that? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: at the very least he would, thank you would at least,
Speaker 1: you know, like erase or paint over the acting label.
Speaker 1: Perhaps maybe he's the CEO of Arrival company. That's always
Speaker 1: Actually that's another theory. Yeah, yeah, uh well there is
Speaker 1: that possibility that actually he's not the CEO of a
Speaker 1: company or anything. But these cartoons were created by a
Speaker 1: rival company and and so actually the company was called
Speaker 1: Pinnacle Corporation. Uh. They supplied the coyote with all kinds
Speaker 1: of free stuff that was sabotage, and some of it
Speaker 1: wasn't even ACNE stuff. They had just mislabeled it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like like uh, you know, for example, the
Speaker 1: missile in episode twenty nine, you've probably seen that one
Speaker 1: where he launched this a big a big rocket or
Speaker 1: down the road after this was a black or white
Speaker 1: one with black marking in this case, and we had
Speaker 1: multiple Yeah. Actually it's just it's following him down the
Speaker 1: highway and it catch us up with the road Runner,
Speaker 1: and the road Wood looks over it and goes meet me,
Speaker 1: which we know means you and then rockets away and
Speaker 1: the rocks and so he's not killed by the rocket,
Speaker 1: but Acne didn't even make it. Apperiod appear to be
Speaker 1: maybe an anti tank missile and Acne doesn't make those,
Speaker 1: and so that was deliberately mislabeled propaganda. Yeah, anyway, they
Speaker 1: they they supplied pinnacles, supply this U to the coyote,
Speaker 1: which he was willing to do. He didn't really need
Speaker 1: it because he's a coyote. He knows how to catch
Speaker 1: a fricking road runner, but he was he was willing
Speaker 1: to do it for the sake of being on TV.
Speaker 1: What he didn't know was that they were going to
Speaker 1: fraudulently edit the film to make him look like a buffoon,
Speaker 1: like we do with every single exactly. It's the original
Speaker 1: reality TV. Yeah, the coyote actor, the cartoons started coming
Speaker 1: out and he caught wind of it. He want public
Speaker 1: actually denouncing denouncing that the cartoons as as as fraudulent
Speaker 1: propaganda and uh coincidentally or not at the State of Arizona.
Speaker 1: And I's like that the day after his press conference
Speaker 1: that there was a new they were implementing a new
Speaker 1: predator reduction program. Uh. And so there's a there's been
Speaker 1: some theorizing right there alone, and there might be a
Speaker 1: little maybe the fix was in with the State of Arizona.
Speaker 1: And so the coyote after that point kind of vanished
Speaker 1: from public view other than the cartoons. And so the
Speaker 1: other thing. The other thing about this, the propaganda thing,
Speaker 1: is if you look very closely at the cartoons, the
Speaker 1: road runner is actually subtly different in many of the episodes. Um.
Speaker 1: And the reason that that is is serized as well.
Speaker 1: He got killed a lot. The chiny actually succeeded and
Speaker 1: killing him all the time. But against you editing, they
Speaker 1: could they could take out the parts where he got
Speaker 1: you know, blown up, stabbed or whatever. For example of
Speaker 1: that same episode, I was talking about episode twenty nine
Speaker 1: with the missile. Well, the missile catch us up with him,
Speaker 1: he goes meet me and then disappears down the highway. Well,
Speaker 1: actually right after you met the missile exploded and shredded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did. They chopped it right there. And then they
Speaker 1: put in footage of another road runner sprinting down the
Speaker 1: highway and getting away. This is like the Three Stooges
Speaker 1: when they're just splicing in old footage. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: so there were actually many It appears there were actually
Speaker 1: many roadrunners and a lot of them got killed. In
Speaker 1: this particular case, the coyote did get his dinner, but
Speaker 1: there was not that much. It was about enough to
Speaker 1: fill a taco and but a little disappointing for him,
Speaker 1: but he did get something out of it. Uh. And
Speaker 1: so those are the theories about Those are those two
Speaker 1: theories about acne um. And there's a few other ones
Speaker 1: out there too. Yet one more head of acmee. I
Speaker 1: guess I forgot about this one, and that is widely
Speaker 1: coyote is a genius and he is the head of
Speaker 1: acne Yeah. While the ki is not only a genius,
Speaker 1: and he can talk, which you never see him doing
Speaker 1: in the cartoons, he holds signs up. In the cartoons,
Speaker 1: he holds signs up. Well, you don't see him writing
Speaker 1: because you don't see that. You just see him holding
Speaker 1: him to sign. I thought, I swear I've seen ones
Speaker 1: where he's like scribbling on it and then holds it up.
Speaker 1: I swear maybe that's older or that's newer ones it's
Speaker 1: the original series. Well that could be and but but
Speaker 1: my understanding is the prop guy would hand him a
Speaker 1: sign and you would hang it. He would just hold
Speaker 1: it up to the Canada. But essentially, the coyote, while
Speaker 1: the coyote not only is not he's not chasing the
Speaker 1: road Runner. He may not even know the road Runner
Speaker 1: even exists. Actually, he's busy, he's busy running Acne Corporation.
Speaker 1: And what he's done is he has hired a bunch
Speaker 1: of coyotes out in Arizona to be product testers. And uh,
Speaker 1: for example, if they've sent some kayote and others, say,
Speaker 1: a bunch of rocket powered roller skates, and they're out
Speaker 1: there testing him on the highway, and it just happens
Speaker 1: to be a road Runner, Well, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You know, you're a coyote. Yeah, with rocket powered roller skates.
Speaker 1: Of course you're going to try to chase. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: like many product testers and test pilots and such people,
Speaker 1: they you know, they often had patchy results. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: got killed or maimed or hurt. But but doubt and
Speaker 1: so that's why there were a lot of coyotes. Uh.
Speaker 1: And one of the one of the theories behind this
Speaker 1: is that the coyote, and like I said, never talks
Speaker 1: in the road Runner cartoons, but in the Looting Tunes universe.
Speaker 1: Actually why the coyote appeared in some other cartoons. He's
Speaker 1: very well spoken, yeah, and he speaks quiet. It speaks
Speaker 1: a lot and yeah. Yeah, and he's very well spoken,
Speaker 1: obviously a smart animal. So why is he not talking
Speaker 1: in the road Winner cartoons? Well, probably because it's just
Speaker 1: you know, less intelligent sort of product testers. Ye had
Speaker 1: done dunderhead coyotes stud you know, out there from out
Speaker 1: there in the sticks. And another thing is that in
Speaker 1: the cartoons, the coyote, why the coyote is always coming
Speaker 1: back from the dead. Well, I'm sorry, that's not possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is a new theory. Yes, we're off of
Speaker 1: product testers. We're still in the same theory. The cad
Speaker 1: is a genius and there were just many coyotes and
Speaker 1: that's why, of course it had to be a bunch
Speaker 1: of different coyotes. Why are we saying maybe he cloned himself.
Speaker 1: He could have possibly cloned himself, or it's just possibly
Speaker 1: they hired a bunch of coyotes, because I mean, let's
Speaker 1: face it, there's a lot of coyotes out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so, uh, that is that theory. And actually I
Speaker 1: think that the theory that he was the head of
Speaker 1: it have Acne is a better theory then the theory
Speaker 1: that the road Runner was ahead of Acne. Yeah, I believe, So,
Speaker 1: I really do although it's not air tight. I got
Speaker 1: to admit there's a few holes in it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know that this behavior in other crossover appearances. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he had that. There was that one where he's
Speaker 1: he's trying to get the sheep and the sheep guy
Speaker 1: keeps beating the stuffing out of him. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was I think that was earlier his career, before he
Speaker 1: actually you know, he was working his way through college
Speaker 1: and got himself in the NBA and the red muff
Speaker 1: or the red stripe in front of his eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would clock in the morning Morton Ralph Warner pread.
Speaker 1: It's a classic okay, oh yeah, I'm off course here,
Speaker 1: What am I saying? There's another theory out there, which
Speaker 1: is that neither one of them is actually head of ACNE.
Speaker 1: But these cartoons take place in a post apocalyptic nuclear
Speaker 1: waste land. Which, Yeah, when did the cartoon series start.
Speaker 1: I believe forty nine. I think I started nine and
Speaker 1: ran to sixty six. So we're talking to war. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking to totally nuclear scared time. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh and uh, you know, as I already said, the
Speaker 1: cartoons were set in Arizona. Appears actually in Monument Valley, Arizona,
Speaker 1: popular tourist destination, and yet you never see a car,
Speaker 1: you never see a human being ever. It's totally deserted.
Speaker 1: It's mad max land out there. Another pro in this
Speaker 1: series that the kindy sees desperate for food. He wants
Speaker 1: that road run are really bad. But if there were
Speaker 1: still people around, I mean, there'd be a lot of leavings,
Speaker 1: a lot of scraps, a lot of garbage posts to
Speaker 1: go through things like that. Apparently those don't exist anymore
Speaker 1: because people are gone. They've been exterminated by nuclear war. Interesting. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and another thing is that the road runner, as you know,
Speaker 1: runs abnormally fast in these cartoons, because in real life
Speaker 1: and actual the actual top speed as far as I
Speaker 1: know of a roadrunner is twenty six miles an hour.
Speaker 1: That is the top d record for a roadrunners to
Speaker 1: record for about forty miles an hour I've heard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: top record for like a missile is much faster. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so you sort of wonder if maybe the effects
Speaker 1: of radiation have caused the mutation to make you super
Speaker 1: speedy road runners, or maybe just our one at least
Speaker 1: is abnormally fast because he's practically supersonic. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: of course we've got the Kyote and south of Coyote
Speaker 1: is standing on two legs, you know, and he's actually like,
Speaker 1: you know, ordering stuff from Acne and assembling and doing
Speaker 1: all kinds of sophisticated stuff. Maybe once again, radiation does
Speaker 1: amazing things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so of course one
Speaker 1: of the cons of this as well, if it's a
Speaker 1: post apocalyptic world, then how can Acne Corporation exists and
Speaker 1: how can it be ordering stuff from them? And what
Speaker 1: I think, what I believe actually is happening here is
Speaker 1: that he's picked it through the remains of this wasteland
Speaker 1: and just finding Athne products and adapting him at his
Speaker 1: quest to kill the road Runner or road runners, and
Speaker 1: the whole thing is just he's actually kind of delusional
Speaker 1: about that. He wants human civilization to return, he wants
Speaker 1: the world to go back to the way it used
Speaker 1: to be, and so he's actually, even though he's finding
Speaker 1: these products, he's got this dreamlike delusion going on in
Speaker 1: his head that it's actually he's ordering them and they're
Speaker 1: being delivered to him by some human being. But actually no,
Speaker 1: he's just picking them off a trash pile or taking
Speaker 1: them off out of somebody's house or use yea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know Wiley Coyote, the original Wally. That's why
Speaker 1: they both have E in their name. Yeah, Wally Wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good point. You guys like that one or not. It's
Speaker 1: kind of sad and helpless, Yeah it is. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the next one, which is even
Speaker 1: more sad and hope sweet. Yeah, this is a popular
Speaker 1: one out there on the on the inner webs. This
Speaker 1: one is that while the coyote is in Hell, I
Speaker 1: like this one the most. Yeah, and so in this
Speaker 1: in this particular interpretation of the universe, the first episode
Speaker 1: of the series actually did take place on planet Earth,
Speaker 1: and of course, as always, they dies because he always
Speaker 1: dies multiple times. Yeah yeah, and then all the rest
Speaker 1: of the episodes after that took place in Hell, even
Speaker 1: though you can't tell, but well a kind of like yeah,
Speaker 1: apologies to our Arizona listeners. That as to why he
Speaker 1: was sent to Hell, I guess the feeling is that
Speaker 1: because he tried to murder the road Runner, you know,
Speaker 1: which apparently is a sin just awful. Maybe he's just
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a terrible, or maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: that whole you know, No, dogs don't go to heaven,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, that's it. So they got to go
Speaker 1: to hell. Yeah yeah, I just love it. He shows
Speaker 1: up knock knock, st Peter go to Hell. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: scat So poor guys got to go to hell. YEA,
Speaker 1: love me a good St Peter joke. I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of them, but we'll do that later, okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the pros in this theory, uh, well, the setting
Speaker 1: as it's a scorched, blazing hot desert which they never
Speaker 1: can escape, you know, they never leave the desert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they both, I mean they both apparently have the
Speaker 1: means to get out of there. I mean, the road
Speaker 1: Runner can move super fast, so it could escape, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't. He's the Chayote is smart enough to figure
Speaker 1: out how to order stuff from ACNE, so you can
Speaker 1: probably score a map and figure out a place to
Speaker 1: go where you know, there's a little more foliage and
Speaker 1: it's not so hot, and yet he can't. It seems like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I was about to say, Well, there's
Speaker 1: there's at least one, if not more episodes where he's
Speaker 1: gone up into the mountain into the snow, but he's
Speaker 1: freezing and I was like, okay, well that's very hell
Speaker 1: like those. You go from one extreme of discomfort to
Speaker 1: the other extreme of discomfort, from cooking alive to freezing alive.
Speaker 1: He's also, you know, kind of stuck in this mortal loop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like ground. Literally, his entire
Speaker 1: life is just caught up in failing in like horrendous
Speaker 1: ways to yea to achieve his goal, which I think
Speaker 1: is kind of like his goal is, yeah, exactly. His
Speaker 1: goal is always with hell from him is his dream.
Speaker 1: He's always chasing his creature. You can never catch it.
Speaker 1: He's always pursuing this dream that he will never realize.
Speaker 1: This is this one actually explains the one thing I've
Speaker 1: been waiting for you to explain in the road Runner series,
Speaker 1: which is the painted tunnels. Yeah. He paints the tunnel
Speaker 1: with the road going through, and the road Runner soon
Speaker 1: goes through it and he goes into it exactly. So
Speaker 1: the normal rules of physics and everything seem to apply
Speaker 1: in this place. Well, so what you're saying is the
Speaker 1: road Runner is Satan or Satan's Asian or something, but
Speaker 1: a Satan can't actually inflict pain in hell on everybody
Speaker 1: he's got, he definitely get needs assistance. It's also Satan
Speaker 1: can do a lot, but he can't run that fast.
Speaker 1: Have you seen those homes? Well, and here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: I mean again, as I mentioned earlier, the road runner
Speaker 1: in the cartoons runs unnaturally fast, faster than they actually
Speaker 1: ever do in real life. Well and faster than the
Speaker 1: rocket and you know whereas in real life usually kyote
Speaker 1: you can out run a road runner. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that explains something. And of course, on the last of all,
Speaker 1: the Kyote can't die. Have you noticed that every time
Speaker 1: he gets killed he comes back. He never actually dies though.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is like he falls down and you
Speaker 1: see the when he hits the bottom of the cliff
Speaker 1: or the chasm, and then there he is bandaged up
Speaker 1: but somehow still a Yeah. So it's it's one of
Speaker 1: other either he just cannot be killed or he dies.
Speaker 1: But then like in Groundhog Day, like Blue Marine ground
Speaker 1: On Day, the next day he wakes up and crap,
Speaker 1: I'm back in hell, you know, And and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm which level of hell is he on? And Dante's scale, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's on the Arizona level. Yeah, not to put down Arizona.
Speaker 1: It's a fine place. And so there's there's a health
Speaker 1: here that's a popular one. You know. It's funny a
Speaker 1: lot of cartoons have a health theory out there. This
Speaker 1: is besides the three that we're talking about today. I
Speaker 1: was casting about for others and it's amazing how many
Speaker 1: hell slash purgatory theories there are out there for different cartoons. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: because you know, all of these creatures really kind of
Speaker 1: are going through hell. Well, I mean, even the ones
Speaker 1: that are of with human cartoon characters like ed Ed
Speaker 1: and Eddie, that there's a theory that they're in hell.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's weird. It could be supposed to
Speaker 1: be a parable of death as well. So I have
Speaker 1: a theory that we're in hell right now because it's
Speaker 1: so bleeding hot in here. It's not that bad. Well,
Speaker 1: let's move on to our next and last theory for
Speaker 1: the road Runner. Yeah, for our Roadrunner Coyote cartoons, and
Speaker 1: that is uh. And that is that the cartoons were
Speaker 1: actually a creation of the Arizona Department of Tourism and UH.
Speaker 1: And the reason they did it is that they were
Speaker 1: afraid that tourists who had small children or babies would
Speaker 1: be concerned that about the dingle wait my baby scenarios,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, young mothers and what little
Speaker 1: babies worrying that they were gonna be carried up by
Speaker 1: the coyotes and stuff. And so they made these blatant
Speaker 1: propaganda films that essentially portrayed the coyotes as harmless and
Speaker 1: just incredibly incompetent, and that they can't even catch and
Speaker 1: kill a freaking road runner, even with all kinds of
Speaker 1: tech to back them up, they can't do it, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of a reassuring thing for potential tourists. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: prefer that they're in hell like But here's some of
Speaker 1: the plus is here for this seria. It is set
Speaker 1: in Arizona, as we said, and it's set Arizona's face.
Speaker 1: It is a fairly big place, but it's set in
Speaker 1: Monument Valley. Yeah, at least I seem to recognize some
Speaker 1: of the landmarks. And uh, and yet you'll probably find
Speaker 1: actually more coyotes in like the suburb of Phoenix and
Speaker 1: outlying areas around Phoenix. So why isn't it set there
Speaker 1: that would be just as passable? Really? Well, but I
Speaker 1: mean think about when it started is that Phoenix was
Speaker 1: not nearly as sprawling of a city then as it
Speaker 1: was now. There was a hell of a lot more
Speaker 1: open desert space, and the coyotes weren't in town because
Speaker 1: people weren't in their space. Well there was, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they were still in the periphery of town. But but
Speaker 1: my point is that it's not a coincidence. I think
Speaker 1: that they picked one of the most scenic, most touristy
Speaker 1: places in Arizona to to enact their little drama. The
Speaker 1: Department of Tourism obviously wants tourists to come there, so
Speaker 1: they I only send us this thing out saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, the dingo ain't going to eat your baby
Speaker 1: by the way, you candy is too stupid. And also, hey,
Speaker 1: look at this fantastic scenery. Don't you want to come
Speaker 1: to Arizona. And so I think it was just, yeah,
Speaker 1: just basically they propaganda by the Department Tourism. Uh. And
Speaker 1: so those are our theories. And there's one more roadrunner
Speaker 1: mystery actually, which is and then and this mystery is
Speaker 1: why did they do it? But let me tell the
Speaker 1: story first. And and a movie came out in ninety
Speaker 1: nine called The Villain, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kirk Douglas,
Speaker 1: and it is. It's actually it's not a cartoon, it's
Speaker 1: actually a film movie. And and essentially it's a rip
Speaker 1: off of the road Runner Coyote movies, starting with Arnold
Speaker 1: as essentially as the Roadrunner and Kirk Douglas as the Coyote.
Speaker 1: You're kidding, it's hard to believe that's the mysteries. Who
Speaker 1: thought this was a good idea. It's just I want
Speaker 1: somebody obviously did they made. I think he came out
Speaker 1: in seventy nine, and so that was early Schwarzenegger when
Speaker 1: he made I was gonna say, Marty was he was Mr.
Speaker 1: Universe at least once, if not twice at that point,
Speaker 1: like he was gold. Oh yeah. And and he made
Speaker 1: in his early career some frankly horrible movies, I mean
Speaker 1: truly terrible. Yeah, they dubbed him his his speaking voice
Speaker 1: was so unintelligible, at least at least one they did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this one's great if you can find it
Speaker 1: on Netflix or whatever. It's called The Villain stars Schwarzenegger
Speaker 1: and Kirk Douglas, and boy, it's so bad, so bad.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so bad, it's good, it really is.
Speaker 1: How Yeah, you know, rent it and have your friends over,
Speaker 1: get some beers, have a party and just laugh your
Speaker 1: laugh yourselves silly, because boy, it's bad anyway. But that's
Speaker 1: off the topic. That's about it for my cartoon conspiracies
Speaker 1: for the Coyote and the Roadrunner. Right, yeah, so what
Speaker 1: do you guys want to talk about now? Well, I
Speaker 1: have one, Well, of course I do. This was this
Speaker 1: was the three story thing that we agreed on. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I noticed that my stuff got bumped to the end,
Speaker 1: like you were going to try and cut me up,
Speaker 1: But no, no, not. My theory is all based around
Speaker 1: none other than Scooby Doo the the the cartoon that
Speaker 1: formed the majority of my my personality. I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty my personality. I mean, I've always identified
Speaker 1: with this show through my entire life. I love this show.
Speaker 1: But obviously a lot of people did. Yeah, well, and
Speaker 1: you know the funny thing is is that, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we should probably do this because we have to do
Speaker 1: this in the beginning of each of these is that
Speaker 1: for anybody who grew up under a rock and doesn't
Speaker 1: know who Scooby Doo is like seven you know some
Speaker 1: like we have young listeners. Oh yeah, yeah, so they're
Speaker 1: not under a rock, they're under their parents thumb. Yes.
Speaker 1: So Scooby Doo is a cartoon. It was originally released
Speaker 1: in nineteen nine by CBS UH and was made by
Speaker 1: Hannah Barbara, who at that time basically created just about
Speaker 1: every cartoon that was out there. Yea and the Jetsons
Speaker 1: and Huge. If you go to their website, it is
Speaker 1: just amazing the number of shows that they have. There's
Speaker 1: an interesting Hannabarbara universe theory out there too, so I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised by this at all. Um. So, the Scooba
Speaker 1: Doo Show has a cast of characters that is very
Speaker 1: similar to the cast of characters on this podcast. And
Speaker 1: by that I mean that they go out and they
Speaker 1: solve mysteries every week. Kink and we have a dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we have two cats close enough. And Joe identifies
Speaker 1: with Fred, but it's mostly because of the ascot that
Speaker 1: he's wearing all the time, like yeah, I like my
Speaker 1: askt um. So basically the gang is made up for
Speaker 1: those who don't know five members. There is Fred, who
Speaker 1: maybe is the de facto leader. There's Daphne, who is
Speaker 1: the pretty one and was getting caught distress. She fills
Speaker 1: the damsel in distress. Yep, yep. There's Velma. She's the
Speaker 1: smart one and the skeptic. She's skeptical about everything, specifically
Speaker 1: the supernatural. And then there's Shaggy. He's the tall, goofy
Speaker 1: guy who loves food and is constantly scared of everything.
Speaker 1: And of course the namesake of the show, Scooby Doo,
Speaker 1: who is a great Dane and like Shaggy, is scared
Speaker 1: of just about everything and absolutely loves food and in
Speaker 1: particular his Scooby snacks. Scooby Snacks that's like a little
Speaker 1: chocolate bars you get out of the letter box. No, No,
Speaker 1: that that's Kitty Almand broken. It's a completely different snack.
Speaker 1: But the most important thing about Scooby is he can talk.
Speaker 1: Scooby can talk. Bro Raggy love Scooby. Search comes as
Speaker 1: no surprise that, just like all the other ones there are,
Speaker 1: there are conspiracy or fan theories out there surrounding the show,
Speaker 1: of course, and there are dozens, if not hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: And I really paired the list down to what I
Speaker 1: would consider the two key the key theories out there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're the best ones. I mean, there's there's some fun ones.
Speaker 1: Like there's the author A Lee Martinez. I was reading
Speaker 1: his website. He actually came up with Scooby theories, which
Speaker 1: is really funny that he took the time to do that.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna include his, but that just gives you
Speaker 1: an idea of like Scooby is so prevalent and so
Speaker 1: far out there. So let's start with theory number one
Speaker 1: of Scooby Doo. The first theories that Shaggy and Scooby
Speaker 1: are high from smoking pot. All the time, I thought
Speaker 1: that wasn't even a theory. I thought that was just accepted. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why I made it the first one to tackle here.
Speaker 1: So for people who may not have been in the know,
Speaker 1: like Devon and and just made that presumption. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of things you'll notice about Shaggy and Scooby. Like
Speaker 1: I said, they are always and I mean all he's hungry.
Speaker 1: They are always always scared, almost to the point of paranoia.
Speaker 1: They will do almost anything though for a Scooby snack.
Speaker 1: Initially it's only Scooby, but eventually Shaggy gets in on
Speaker 1: the game, and we'll do things for Scooby snacks, which
Speaker 1: makes people think that maybe the Scooby snack is a
Speaker 1: euphemism for pot cookies. So that's this is following the
Speaker 1: stoner theory. I don't think you really need anymore. Probably
Speaker 1: don't need pot cookies. You obviously have not known people
Speaker 1: who like to partake in the marijuana. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's never there's never, there's never enough. It's just like
Speaker 1: the Twitter. The marijuana is just like the Twitter. The
Speaker 1: way we talk about these things. Okay, more descriptions about
Speaker 1: these two that make people think that possibly they're they're
Speaker 1: high all the time. Will they laugh and they giggle
Speaker 1: a lot. They're very distracted and spaced out, so they're
Speaker 1: not paying attention, and then all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: they realize where they are, which is very drug habit behavior.
Speaker 1: And don't forget that they travel around in a van
Speaker 1: called Mystery Machine that has huge hippi flowers painted on
Speaker 1: the back sides of it. So that's you know, if
Speaker 1: this is a nineteen seventy cartoon. These are all things
Speaker 1: that make people think, well, it's gotta be that they're
Speaker 1: all about drugs. Do you think do you think that
Speaker 1: the Jack in the Box Stoner commercial was kind of
Speaker 1: an homage to Scooby Doo. I don't remember that commercial.
Speaker 1: That's the one that's Jack in the Box. If you
Speaker 1: haven't heard of it as a fast food place, everybody
Speaker 1: was Jack in the Box. Yeah, apologize they have they
Speaker 1: have a drive through and there's this span city of
Speaker 1: the drive here and this this this voice because sir, sir,
Speaker 1: would you like to order? And as a stoner kid
Speaker 1: behind the way, oh, I don't know what to order?
Speaker 1: And suddenly the Jack in the Box doll on on
Speaker 1: the dashboard starts talking to Oh, yeah, I might want
Speaker 1: to try the breakfast taco. Oh yeah, great idea. How
Speaker 1: many should I get and inject this thirty? That's what
Speaker 1: I was thinking. That's a that's a great commercial. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an homage to Scooby
Speaker 1: or this week's episode brought you by Jack in the Box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little product placement there. So there's some other things
Speaker 1: that make people think that they're totally they're totally pot heads.
Speaker 1: So there's the fact that whenever the van drives away,
Speaker 1: there's a big cloud of smoke behind it. If you've
Speaker 1: ever seen that they do that that full rear van
Speaker 1: drive away scene and there's always a big cloud of smoke.
Speaker 1: Also the way that Shaggy talks like zongth man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the like stereotypical stone or talk. He does have
Speaker 1: that that speech pattern. Yeah, I think this came out
Speaker 1: first in nineteen nine. Okay, the Rich series ran sixty
Speaker 1: nine and seventy. I think it was twenty five or
Speaker 1: twenty six episodes total between the two the two years
Speaker 1: about when Mary Jane was becoming very popular. I think
Speaker 1: it was a little after that. But but oh, here's
Speaker 1: the other thing that really gets everybody thinking that maybe
Speaker 1: Shaggy is high all the time, because you know what
Speaker 1: Shaggy can do that nobody else can. He can understand Scooby,
Speaker 1: like Scooby Doo points, you know, the pointer dog action.
Speaker 1: He'll do that and the other characters get where he's
Speaker 1: pointing at. But Scooby talks to Shaggy and he doesn't,
Speaker 1: and it the first the first seasons ever talk to
Speaker 1: anybody else. So people have said, well, okay, well obviously
Speaker 1: it's this entire thing. Is the pot induced hallucinations of
Speaker 1: Shaggy induced hallucinations. Well, I never smoked enough pot. I
Speaker 1: guess I've never talk Yeah, I talk to dogs all
Speaker 1: the time, but not not. I've never had them talk
Speaker 1: back to me. Yeah, exactly. So this, this whole thing
Speaker 1: sounds pretty convincing on the outside, except there's some giant
Speaker 1: flaws in it because of the fact that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: the show, like we said, made in the late sixties.
Speaker 1: It's based on teenage personalities of that era. So there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of stoner kids running around that would explain
Speaker 1: why Shaggy acts the way he does. And yet you've
Speaker 1: got Yeah, and yet you've got Fred and Daphne and
Speaker 1: Velva who were kind of, you know, their prudes. They
Speaker 1: would never take partake in that. But here's the big
Speaker 1: reason that probably the whole stoner thing is not right.
Speaker 1: The guys at Hannah Barbera in conjunction with CBS, have
Speaker 1: gone on the record many many times and said, this
Speaker 1: is not what's happening. There's a gentleman. His name is
Speaker 1: I really hope I don't mess this up. I wo Takamoto,
Speaker 1: and he is a an animation legend in his own right.
Speaker 1: He worked at Disney starting in the mid four eeas,
Speaker 1: and eventually he went to Hanna Barbera in sixty one
Speaker 1: and he was involved in guads of cartoons that were
Speaker 1: from that time frame. But he has said that the
Speaker 1: idea for the show was to make a very wholesome
Speaker 1: show that had no violence and nothing that was considered
Speaker 1: to listen, if you ever think about when you watch
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo, have you ever seen a gun in those
Speaker 1: first two seasons. No, you never see anybody punch anybody.
Speaker 1: That's why Fred comes up with these goofy contraptions for
Speaker 1: Shag and Scoop to lead the monster into where it's
Speaker 1: you know, this Rube Goldberg device that eventually nets them
Speaker 1: or you know, catapults him away. It's because there's no
Speaker 1: actual violence taking place. That was the design of the
Speaker 1: show was to not have that happen, so to work
Speaker 1: in a there's no violence anymore. But that's why the
Speaker 1: idea of them them working in like an inside joke
Speaker 1: that two of their characters was high doesn't fit in.
Speaker 1: There's also the issue of Fred Silverman. He is he
Speaker 1: was one of the studio execs a CBS, and he
Speaker 1: was really really involved in the show, and he was
Speaker 1: pretty straight laced and would either have had to been complicit,
Speaker 1: which people have said there's no way he would have been,
Speaker 1: or he would have had to been obscenely unaware of
Speaker 1: what was going on in the show, which which was
Speaker 1: also very unlike to be completely unaware of what is
Speaker 1: going on in the show that he's producing. It sounds
Speaker 1: like this theory actually predates the Internet, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, no. I I grew up. I
Speaker 1: remember as a kid my parents laugh thing about the
Speaker 1: fact that they thought that Shaggy and Scooby were on
Speaker 1: were smoking dope. I mean, it's been around forever. I hear,
Speaker 1: I hear your backup, I hear your evidence, but I
Speaker 1: choose to disregard all of it. Really, do you think
Speaker 1: there were stoners? Yeah, totally they were stoners. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that I think that Shaggy is
Speaker 1: just an idiot. I think he's a stoner. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd be probably tripped and hit his head a couple
Speaker 1: of too many times running away from monsters. I think
Speaker 1: that's what it is. You can think that you and
Speaker 1: I think it was a stoner, but well before I
Speaker 1: totally come down totally on the side of that. What's
Speaker 1: your other theory. Oh well, yeah, no, I do have,
Speaker 1: but he's completely different. But it's not totally incompatible either.
Speaker 1: No it's not. No, that is true. They are not
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. But I'll go ahead and you can continue
Speaker 1: to poo poo and call my favorite characters in the
Speaker 1: world potheads. Go ahead. Yeah, I will not be over
Speaker 1: here crying look at that. You didn't do it. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just over here wondering if you're just saying
Speaker 1: that people like you're just saying, oh, making them stoners
Speaker 1: means that you can't like them as characters. And no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean Jay and Silent Bob are
Speaker 1: obscenely popular and they are notoriously stoned all the time,
Speaker 1: So characters could be doing whatever is going on. But
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Shag and Scooba are truly on
Speaker 1: the Sheba she That's what I haven't heard before. Is
Speaker 1: this read for madness? Like what's happening here? Oh my gosh, okay,
Speaker 1: let's hear about your other theory. Yeah, let's not talking
Speaker 1: about drugs anymore. Oh, and I want to stay just
Speaker 1: for our younger listeners. By the way, this is not
Speaker 1: constitute an endorsement of not at all, not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and after and after one you're going to get p
Speaker 1: tested at work, so you shouldn't do it then either.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're pretty much screwed. But that's okay. It's
Speaker 1: a rated. Don't worry about missing it. You're not missing
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, okay, let's go on to Scooby Doo
Speaker 1: theory number two. This theory, which is really kind of
Speaker 1: a big one, And I have to tell you this
Speaker 1: is one of those you read something on the internet
Speaker 1: and then you have that mind blown moment. This one
Speaker 1: does that for me. And the theory says that the
Speaker 1: entire cartoon from the original sixty series took place in
Speaker 1: a country where a major economic crisis had happened, and
Speaker 1: the entire country is in an unprecedented depression, so necessary
Speaker 1: they're all not just riding around in the band, they're
Speaker 1: kind of living in it. Yeah, that's that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of an unstated fact here, Yes, and there's this story
Speaker 1: has got some legs or this theory, I should say,
Speaker 1: because if you ever look at where the gang goes,
Speaker 1: they're always run down places, they're always abandoned places, they're
Speaker 1: always the crappiest places. In the world. I mean, for
Speaker 1: God's sakes, they went on vacation once and they ended
Speaker 1: up in a deserted lodge in the mountains. I guess
Speaker 1: I just always thought that's because they were like broke teenagers. Yeah. No, no,
Speaker 1: this is this whole theory says that everything is run
Speaker 1: down and nothing is being maintained because nobody has the
Speaker 1: money to do that. Everybody is focused on making some
Speaker 1: money to get some food, because that's really what matters.
Speaker 1: If this, and that's why Shaggy and Scooby are always starving. Yes, exactly, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but you never do you ever see them like breaking
Speaker 1: into cars and stealing stuff? No, you don't, because because
Speaker 1: they're wholesome. Oh is that it? Okay? I'm sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know if you have But no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he actually Shagging Scoobs steal food all the time, because
Speaker 1: if you ever see them walk into someplace and there's
Speaker 1: food on a table, they begin to immediately shovel it
Speaker 1: into their faces without asking if it's okay, technically stealing.
Speaker 1: They're they're starving, so it's not stealing, is that what
Speaker 1: you're saying. No, I just like they like walk into
Speaker 1: the resort and there's food, and they're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a resort. They like they go to the
Speaker 1: Oh well, there's the haunted mansion up on the hill,
Speaker 1: and they go there and there's a whole palette of
Speaker 1: cakes and those two will just dive in, you know,
Speaker 1: without ask No, no, ghost cakes are the worst. You're hungry.
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later. Okay, so but let's let's stop and
Speaker 1: let's think about the villains in the show. Because if
Speaker 1: you ever look at the villains, they're always monsters. They're
Speaker 1: always they're pretending they're masquerading as monsters and ghosts and
Speaker 1: all these other things. But if you ever looked at
Speaker 1: the motive at the end of the show of what
Speaker 1: they're actually after, because what they're actually after his money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a total of villains in the original series.
Speaker 1: Twenty three of them are trying to steal land or
Speaker 1: money or smuggle something to make money. Now there's some
Speaker 1: others in there that do it for like semi petty reasons.
Speaker 1: Let's see, there was winning a contest. Oh now, this
Speaker 1: is kind of this. Could you could see it in
Speaker 1: this environment getting back at someone for getting fired because
Speaker 1: you know how hard it is to get a job
Speaker 1: and a depressed economy. Um, let's see what else is there. Oh,
Speaker 1: and then there are two of them who did it
Speaker 1: because they were trying to land a job. Oh and
Speaker 1: then one one guy you know why he was doing
Speaker 1: what he was doing because he hates robots, because you
Speaker 1: know what robots do, take your job? Take your job job? Yeah,
Speaker 1: stupid Bender. I was actually just thinking about there's the
Speaker 1: episode of Futurama where they do It's that's it's like
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. It's a three part episode, and
Speaker 1: they have one where they are they do Scooby Doo
Speaker 1: and it's hilarious. Bender is Scooby? I got to speaking
Speaker 1: of other great cartoon takeouts on Scooby Doo. South Park
Speaker 1: did a great Scooby Doo episode. Is that the one
Speaker 1: with corn? Yes? Yes, yes that was what there was
Speaker 1: their Halloween episode. It was Yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 1: Well let's get back. Um. I was talking about the villains. Okay,
Speaker 1: all of our villains. They're actually there. They have pretty
Speaker 1: oh god, what's the word, and they have impressive skill sets.
Speaker 1: They're fairly educated, like they should be if they were
Speaker 1: normal people in a normal world. They should be doing
Speaker 1: good enough that they don't have to pull these con jaws. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: some of them. Okay, so it's a mixed bag here,
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna read through the list of occupations
Speaker 1: of our villains. Hypnotist, magician, stunt man. All people who
Speaker 1: really they can make decent money, normal environment, they can
Speaker 1: make decent money, should be able to hypnotize people to
Speaker 1: just hand over their wallets. Well he was, that was
Speaker 1: the problem. There were three different character villains that had
Speaker 1: PhD s. There was one that was a master painter.
Speaker 1: He was forging paintings. Uh. There was the boat repair man,
Speaker 1: which that's a that's a pretty good uh industry. That's
Speaker 1: where he was he was what was he doing, he
Speaker 1: was stealing them under fog. Yeah, you had the pirate
Speaker 1: ship I think is the one. And then there's two lawyers,
Speaker 1: which honestly lawyers. That's not surprising at all. That's just
Speaker 1: normal behavior for lawyers. Just kidding everyone, But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, all all combined, it explains why the universe
Speaker 1: of the nineteen late sixties early seventies universe that these
Speaker 1: kids are in, why it's so screwed up, and why
Speaker 1: they're doing what they do. I really really like it
Speaker 1: because it explains why the whole show is so screwy. Perhaps,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a maybe. Just like in the road
Speaker 1: Runner Coyote thing, they were actually living in a post
Speaker 1: apoc elliptic world. Could yeah, okay, so maybe yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, you know, you can exchange
Speaker 1: post apocalyptic and depressive eras. Those are pretty go pretty
Speaker 1: hand in hand. Just like the Wily Coyote. There is
Speaker 1: actually health theories out there for Shaggy and Scooby, believe
Speaker 1: it or not. There's a bunch of them which is
Speaker 1: disturbing and we're not going to talk about about like that, no,
Speaker 1: but but very very similar to the road Runners. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 1: and that's all I got. Okay, But I would say
Speaker 1: they're probably both too, because if it's sipping in the
Speaker 1: middle of a huge depression like that and you're living
Speaker 1: in a van, you're probably gonna want to get high.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was thinking it's called self medication, self yeah,
Speaker 1: finding it, affording it. Well, if you've ever seen have
Speaker 1: you ever either of you ever watched the show Ze Nation.
Speaker 1: According to z Nation, in a post apocalyptic world, everybody
Speaker 1: begins growing weed, That's the one thing that is a
Speaker 1: common courtesy is Weed's probably exchange Yeah, Ali and Hatcher
Speaker 1: zombie fighting capabilities. It's called yea interesting. Okay, well, now
Speaker 1: that we're done talking about Weed. Are many many cartoon conspiracies.
Speaker 1: We started researching this episode, I had no idea how
Speaker 1: many they were. Okay, so we're going to ignore Steve
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Speaker 1: think we're going to go ahead and um get on
Speaker 1: out of here. I really really really wish I suddenly
Speaker 1: remember the Looney Tunes out. That's all folks, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all folks. Yeah, there you go, right row right by.
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