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Speaker 1: Today on the bright Side, we're talking about the best

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Speaker 1: parts of aging, specifically aging imaginatively, with the founder and

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Speaker 1: creative director of the online community Glorious Broads.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, March twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe, I'm Simone Boyce, and this is the

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Speaker 1: bright Side from Hello Sunshine. Danielle. Hello, we have some

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Speaker 1: kind of big news to share. We do.

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Speaker 2: We have some big news.

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Speaker 1: We made the top ten on Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: And when we say we mean everybody listening. We all

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Speaker 3: made the top ten.

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Speaker 1: We did it, y'all. We can't thank you enough. We're

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Speaker 1: such a new show and we have been working so

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Speaker 1: hard on this show behind the scenes, just to be

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Speaker 1: really thoughtful about how we approach all these topics, making

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Speaker 1: sure that we're representing you and everything that we do.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for the support.

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Speaker 3: One of our goals when we started this show was

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Speaker 3: thinking about women not a monolith, but that if we

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Speaker 3: do this the right way, that it will represent the

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Speaker 3: collective consciousness of women in twenty twenty four. And I

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Speaker 3: think the fact that we made the top ten make

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Speaker 3: Simona and I feel like maybe we did that the

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Speaker 3: first week. So big thank you to you all. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening, and thanks for your dms. It's so fun

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Speaker 3: to talk with you about the episodes on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: It means so much, means the world to us.

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Speaker 3: We're closing out Women's History Month today and so in celebration,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about and talking with some amazing women.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking a little dose of inspiration, you know.

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Speaker 1: And today is an extra special day because Beyonce's new album,

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Speaker 1: Cowboy Carter is here.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is a day that everybody has been waiting for.

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Speaker 3: So Beyonce first announced her new music last month, and

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Speaker 3: the Internet has not stopped talking about it since. I

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Speaker 3: feel like it's one of the most anticipated drops out

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Speaker 1: The album includes a track called Joe Lean, which is

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Speaker 1: inspired by the Queen of Country herself, Dolly Parton, plus

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Speaker 2: I mean I forget Willie Nelson.

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Speaker 1: Willie Nelson too. We've got so much buy in from

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Speaker 1: the greats of country music. I think I'm gonna need

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Speaker 1: a full day to digest this album. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: check in on this next week.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: When she announced it a while ago, she wrote that

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Speaker 3: this album has been over five years in the making,

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Speaker 3: and it was born out of an experience that she

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Speaker 3: had years ago where she didn't feel welcomed and everybody

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Speaker 3: was kind of talking about how that was probably a

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen CMA moment that she had. There was some

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Speaker 3: backlash from the country music industry. So not only am

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Speaker 3: I excited that it's out, but I think that this

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Speaker 3: actually holds a really deep meaning because for Beyonce, this

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Speaker 3: is more than music. She did disco with Renaissance, She's

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Speaker 3: now doing country. She mentioned the next one's going to

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Speaker 3: be rock and roll. She is creating a legacy here

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Speaker 3: that is so much bigger than music, and I'm here

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Speaker 1: I think lately there's been a lot of dialogue around

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Speaker 1: redefine that narrative. And she alluded to this in her

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Speaker 1: Instagram post when she said that I hope that any

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Speaker 1: when it comes to releasing different genres of music.

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Speaker 3: Plus, can we talk about the country core that's about

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Speaker 3: to happen? Are you bringing out your cowboy boots?

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Speaker 1: Move a side? Coquette move aside coquette cor yeeha, core

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Speaker 3: I wore Sparkley belt here that was country core inspired,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like everybody was like, oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: The time it really is, Now's the time.

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Speaker 3: Now is also the time to let us know what

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Speaker 3: you think. Where does Cowboy Carter rank for you? Is

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to another leading lady. Shirley Chisholm

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Speaker 1: is in the spotlight over fifty years after her political

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Speaker 1: We have to take a moment to just give Shirley

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing, Shirley Chisholm is somebody that has

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Speaker 3: know them as people. She was born in New York.

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Speaker 3: Her dad was Guyanese, her mom was from Barbados, and

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Speaker 3: which I love. She took night classes at Columbia University.

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Speaker 3: In her thirties, she worked as the director of childcare

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Speaker 3: was just after her fortieth birthday that her political career began.

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Speaker 3: And we've been talking so much about second acts on

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Speaker 1: For the books.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she made such an imprint and she was

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Speaker 3: hugely influential in passing the Equal Rights Amendment. Everybody talks

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Speaker 3: And I have that book on my bookshelf. It has

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Speaker 3: because it's like no one's ever done it before. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: Contrarian spirit that Reese was talking about too. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I think of Shirley Chislm, I think of all

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Speaker 1: the women of color who ran for office because of her,

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Speaker 1: and my grandmother was one of them. What Yes. So,

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Speaker 1: my grandma's name was Bonnie John's and when she was little,

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Speaker 1: Her name was Bonnie John's and when she was little,

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Speaker 3: That's an unbelievable story. Is this your mom's mom?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So you come from a long line of unbought and.

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Speaker 1: Unbossed exactly, a long line of agitators, organizers, civil servants.

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Speaker 1: And to this day, there are several buildings named after

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Speaker 1: like what it must have been like for my grandmother

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a way to close out women's history

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Speaker 2: That's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of icons of the women's liberation movement. We want

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Speaker 3: to take a second to recognize the legendary Gloria Steinem.

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Speaker 3: She turned ninety this week, ninety, and she's such a

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Speaker 3: you get to eulogize someone to their face. You get

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Speaker 3: I love reading people's birthday wishes to Gloria.

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Speaker 2: But have you ever met Gloria.

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Speaker 1: I have met her in passing. She would never ever

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Speaker 1: remember me. I'm sure you have a much better story.

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Speaker 1: I met her at a party once. That's it.

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Speaker 2: At a party.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, like a woman's you know,

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Speaker 2: Hold on. First of all, I love a feminist party.

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Speaker 1: I wore a pink pantsuit. I can tell a whole

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Speaker 1: segment about that. Tell me your Gloria Steinem story.

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Speaker 3: I went to the Maker's conference years ago and went

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Speaker 2: Gloria Steinem I was shaking, and I was like, what

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Speaker 3: So my friend Corey and I went backstage, and Corey

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Speaker 3: you could just tell what Gloria Steinum gave her in

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Speaker 3: that moment. And then I went up to her and

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Speaker 3: she looked at my belt and I wore this big

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Speaker 3: statement belt because Gloria always wears statement belts. It's like

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Speaker 3: And I was like, what does it feel like to

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Speaker 3: all nobody has, all the answers. All you can do

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Speaker 3: if I take anything from that moment, its presence.

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Speaker 2: Also.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever read the book Dedication of My Life

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Speaker 3: on the Road.

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Speaker 1: I haven't read it.

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Speaker 3: The dedication is to the doctor that gave her an abortion,

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Speaker 2: This book is for you. Oh gives me chills when

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Speaker 2: I read that.

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Speaker 1: Well, that makes me think about how that decision changed

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Speaker 2: You deserve it, girl, Yes ninety a only decade.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Robe here with Simone Boys, and we want

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Speaker 3: Grand Old Grammys celebrating, yes, absolutely celebrating aging.

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Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok. They're fabulous, Mary Jane, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Welcome Mary Jane.

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Speaker 5: Ha I love to be here, such a fan.

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Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you. Okay, Mary Jane, can

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Speaker 5: We're a community that wants to spread the word to

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: I kind of always thought of it as a derogatory word.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just want to give credit where it deserves.

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Speaker 5: Broad City. Do you remember that show?

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Speaker 2: So who is Mary Jane the glorious broad?

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Speaker 1: Amazing. So who are the most influential brods in your life?

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Speaker 5: Good question. I had a wonderful mother or kick ass mother,

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Speaker 5: But I read an obituary Clara Hancocks, and this woman,

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Speaker 5: what kind of started Glorias Braun's.

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Speaker 3: Older women hold so much wisdom and a lot of

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Speaker 3: it is untapped. So I'm really curious as to the

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Speaker 5: I would say the freedom. As a young woman, I

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Speaker 5: probably more prevalent when I was in my twenties and thirties.

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Speaker 5: I am free and that has been the surprise for me.

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Speaker 1: Everything changes when you're no longer seeking the approval of men.

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Speaker 5: Right, absolutely, And that is another one of those surprises.

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Speaker 3: I have to admit, when I'm sixty plus, I still

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, I care. Oh no. That is a big

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Speaker 3: Please tell me more of that, because I think while

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Speaker 3: it's taboo for women at virtually every age to start

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be blunt, Mary Jane. Does the sex get

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Speaker 5: It has for me? And I.

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Speaker 1: Say, say more.

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Speaker 5: I am not alone. I am not alone. I just

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Speaker 5: five years. I too went off for about it wasn't

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Speaker 5: five years, but four years. I just need a little

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Speaker 5: But wow did she come back roaring? And so did I?

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Speaker 2: And why is that?

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Speaker 5: I think it's because there's almost a feeling of being

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Speaker 5: And I know this is a little cliche, but it's true. Ladies,

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Speaker 5: If you choose not to have sex, good for you.

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Speaker 5: But I just feel like so many choices are ours

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Speaker 5: I think I really became friends with my body when

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Speaker 5: Well, I think most of the women that I talk

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Speaker 2: Please tell ye?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and uh they live imaginatively. So I just

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Speaker 3: What have you learned from the very oldest glorious broads,

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Speaker 3: What do you do for the holidays now, because I

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Speaker 5: Well, the delicious thing. I do whatever the fuck I want,

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Speaker 5: for me, I'm going to bring up the fifties. For

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Speaker 5: some reason, all my ladies say the fuck you fifties

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Speaker 5: are a real thing, and I know they were for me.

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Speaker 5: They were definitely from me.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because we have it written down as the

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Speaker 3: fuck it fifties, but you keep saying the fuck you fifties,

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Speaker 3: which is even more powerful.

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Speaker 1: But you'll see, I can't wait to find out.

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Speaker 5: If you get there early, you're good for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's the goal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Simone and I are in our thirties. She's thirty six,

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Speaker 3: I'm thirty three. What is something at seventy four that

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Speaker 3: you think we absolutely need to know at our age?

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Speaker 5: Mmm? You know what I would say, ladies, I would say,

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Speaker 5: to let go of the timeline. You may have it

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Speaker 5: for yourself. Whether it's career although obviously you're both kicking ass,

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Speaker 5: whether it's a love life, whether it's even baby making.

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Speaker 5: You know, try to let go of that timeline and

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Speaker 5: you will have a more joyful life.

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Speaker 1: May Jane. We often and here leaders saying that finding

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Speaker 1: your authentic self is so important, and yet to me

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Speaker 1: that word has never felt more meaningless or overused. Today.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that you and all the glorious

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Speaker 1: brods could school us on authenticity. So what do glorious

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Speaker 1: broads know about authenticity that we don't.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a very good question. I'm going to say

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Speaker 5: that that imaginative living is the way they all live,

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Speaker 5: meaning they really listen to their guts. And if you

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Speaker 5: lived your life where you're really listening to that little

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Speaker 5: authentic voice, that voice in your head that said quit

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Speaker 5: that job, or try harder, or write that book or

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Speaker 5: write if you follow that gotsy voice in your life,

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Speaker 5: it'll be authentic.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Danielle has tear in her eyes. What's making you emotional, daniel.

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Speaker 2: I really didn't think I was gonna cry this week.

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Speaker 5: On the bright side, I wish we could go have

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Speaker 5: a martini right now.

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Speaker 1: I can't use one of those SAMs.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I have been feeling really.

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Speaker 6: I turned thirty three in January, and I've been feeling

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Speaker 6: really anxious about my timeline. I really want kids, and

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Speaker 6: I'm single. I don't have a partner, and I don't

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Speaker 6: really try to go find one, which is not to

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Speaker 6: my mother's liking.

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Speaker 3: However, I really needed to hear that. I loved that

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Speaker 3: you said imaginative living. Yeah, so thank you for that.

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Speaker 5: Oh you're welcome. You have plenty of time.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm empathy crying alongside her. This is just

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Speaker 1: a really blubbery episode of the Preside.

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Speaker 2: It really takes a lot to make some oone cry too.

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Speaker 1: Hey Jane, you brought it out of us. Gosh, this interview,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this conversation, I don't even want to call

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Speaker 1: it an interview, It's a conversation. Has just been so

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Speaker 1: revelatory and soul filling. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: You're very welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mary Jane.

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Speaker 5: All right, have a great afternoon, ladies.

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Speaker 2: You too, please have a martini or two for us.

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Speaker 5: I think I will.

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Speaker 1: Mary Jane Fahe is the founder and curator of Glorious Broad's.

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Speaker 1: Check it out at Glorious Brod's on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: What an incredible conversation we just had with Mary Jane

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Speaker 1: Faihe Yeah, she was special. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but it felt like I was talking to an older

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Speaker 1: version of myself, like an older, wiser version of myself.

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Speaker 3: I could tell you felt that in the conversation. Why

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Speaker 3: just the way you were talking to her, I felt

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Speaker 3: that you like aligned with her spirit, with what she

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Speaker 3: was saying. What did you feel like you needed to hear?

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Speaker 1: What I love about our conversation with her, and what

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Speaker 1: I love about a lot of the videos that she

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Speaker 1: posts on Glorious Broad's is that the advice that comes

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Speaker 1: from these older women really debunks a lot of the

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Speaker 1: things that we tend to worry about in our thirties

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Speaker 1: or forties or you know, definitely our twenties.

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Speaker 3: And the things that we hear culturally, right like, for women,

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Speaker 3: so much of the cultural conversation is well, you better

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Speaker 3: hit a milestone before this age because you expire. And

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Speaker 3: then when you see wonderful older women do quite the opposite,

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Speaker 3: you're like, hmm, maybe I've been sold a bill of

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Speaker 3: goods exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I also I just really get angry and resent

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Speaker 1: all of the anti aging messaging that were fed through ads,

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Speaker 1: through media, through celebrities who will go unnamed. And I

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Speaker 1: love to see a woman like Mary Jane who is

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Speaker 1: thriving in our seventies.

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Speaker 3: I actually will not buy a product that is marketed

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Speaker 3: as anti aging. I know that's actually controversial because I've

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Speaker 3: said that on my Instagram and people are like, well,

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Speaker 3: sometimes I do want to refine fine lines or wrinkles,

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Speaker 3: but I think saying that is very different than saying

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Speaker 1: I heard an ad the other day that was like,

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Speaker 1: do this and it'll take five years off your face.

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Speaker 1: It's just so rude.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't say it to men, you know, get

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean the whole double standard when it comes to

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Speaker 1: silver hair with men. We see silver haired, gray haired

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Speaker 1: news anchors all the time. Just speaking from my own industry,

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Speaker 1: we see them all the time. But do you ever

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Speaker 2: It's very rare.

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Speaker 3: There was actually a Canadian news anchor that got fired

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Speaker 3: because of her gray hair. She let it go great

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Speaker 3: during COVID and they were like, you're out it was crazy.

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Speaker 3: They didn't say that explicitly, but that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: I hope she took them down.

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Speaker 3: I loved when she started talking about imaginative living, same

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Speaker 3: the idea that we have the power and the ability

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Speaker 3: to create the life that we're looking for and it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to be this cookie cutter thing. And you

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Speaker 3: mentioned the hedonic treadmill the other day, but I think

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Speaker 3: that it's been making me reflect on what's important to

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Speaker 3: me and what is.

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Speaker 2: Like what am I coming home to?

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Speaker 3: And I started thinking about my life differently and wondering

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Speaker 3: if I've spent too much time professionally not enough time

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Speaker 3: pouring into my romantic life. And I've decided I don't

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Speaker 3: regret it, but I am I think going to make

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Speaker 3: a shift. Her words really inspired that, like, no shame

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Speaker 3: of the past, no regret of the past, but maybe

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Speaker 3: do something different moving forward.

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Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you. I know that sounds weird

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Speaker 1: because we haven't been friends for that long, but that's

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Speaker 1: a really massive realization to have, and a very mature

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Speaker 1: one and a very wise one. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I've realized through therapy it's about collecting information, and so

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Speaker 3: I'm just noticing, but I'm noticing a shift within myself

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Speaker 3: and Mary Jane's words hit home.

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Speaker 2: Did anything in particular hit you?

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Speaker 1: I have to agree. It's the imaginative living part. This

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Speaker 1: idea that you are the creative director of your own life. Hmmm,

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Speaker 1: and imaginative living. What I love about that phrase is

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Speaker 1: that it reflects back to ourselves. It's not about like

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Speaker 1: our imagination is something internal. Our imagination is completely unique,

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Speaker 1: different from someone else's imagination. So it's not about comparing

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Speaker 1: yourself to other people and living by a timeline that

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Speaker 1: you see represented and everyone else. It's about what does

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Speaker 1: my life look like according to my imagination, according to

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Speaker 1: my vision for it. So you know how we like

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Speaker 1: to leave our bright side bessies with a little spark

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Speaker 1: to carry throughout their day. Yes, I have an idea

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Speaker 1: telling that I want to leave everyone with this affirmation.

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Speaker 1: I am a force of imaginative living.

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Speaker 3: We also want to share a voice memo that we

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Speaker 3: got from Jacob Rivera Sanchez at Texas Wesleyan University. He

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Speaker 3: was talking about which parts of the Reese Witherspoon interview

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Speaker 3: meant the most to him.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, my name is Jacob and I just finished

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Speaker 4: listening to the first episode of the bright Side podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's a rainy Monday morning here in Texas, so it

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Speaker 4: definitely was a bright spot to work week. The thing

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Speaker 4: that I took away the most from your interview with

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Speaker 4: Reese is about the impact of strong female figures and

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Speaker 4: influences in your life. But at least for me and

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Speaker 4: I know some other young men out there, it helps

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Speaker 4: us to become better advocates and better supporters because we

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Speaker 4: also have had strong female influences in our lives, from

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Speaker 4: mothers to grandmothers and sisters, cousins, even co workers. So

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to hearing more from the bright Side

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Speaker 4: podcast than just Hello Sunshine projects in general about how

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Speaker 4: I can be better for the women who make me better.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I just wanted to share a little bit

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Speaker 4: about that, and I'm looking forward to listening to more

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Speaker 4: from the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Jacob, that voice memo made our day. Your mama raised

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Speaker 1: you right?

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Speaker 3: Oh he is so sweet, Jacob, Thank you for that

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Speaker 3: when he said we want to support the women who

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Speaker 3: supported us.

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Speaker 2: H that is a good man.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing, Like, we can't do this alone. We

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Speaker 1: need the good men out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Jacob.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you, which Beyonce album Reigns Supreme,

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Speaker 1: and send us.

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Speaker 3: The trickiest questions you have about friendship dilemmas for our

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Speaker 3: new segment, asking for a Friend. We know how important

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Speaker 3: our friendships are, but we don't always know how to

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Speaker 3: nurture them. Friendship coach Danielle Byer Jackson joins us on

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Speaker 1: Send your voice memos to Hello at the Bridside podcast

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Speaker 1: dot com. Well that's a wrap on today's episode of

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Speaker 1: the bright Side. Thank you for an amazing, mind blowing

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Speaker 1: first week. We can't wait to come back with more

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